Best girl Akira vs our retarded ghoul Naki and Hinami showing her true strength
Ayashit vs Juuzou
Ayashit getting BTFO
Miza being qt and raping ghoul investigators' asses
Torso trying to catch up with his waifu
Haise stop being a faggot
Quinx being useless
Just a joke
Seidowl vs Everybody
So now I understand what the fuss in 2ch about. Kanou refers to Takizawa as オウル(Ouru) while the true owl, who is Eto, is refereed as 梟/フクロウ(Fukurou)
It seems like Kanou makes the disctinction between fake owl and true owl clear.
Jason when? There's no way Juuzo will be able to keep up with crystal spam Ayato with just his knives. Also, I am quickly losing track if all these peripheral characters. Every time they talk about someone by name I'm just like wait who is that? I wonder where this whole auction is going. I can't tell if Aogiri, Perriot or Big Mam is supposed to be the mastermind.
>Oh shit Seido isn't dead
>Arima is autistic
>Mutsuki is finally going to die even though that's pretty much impossible
>Ayato a shit
That was the whole last thread in a nutshell
>Seido isn't dead
Friendly remainder when :re started I said Seidou was alive, but anons replied to me post after post of message why I was wrong. I said Tatara was going to make him his mindless pet.
Seidou's tarot card finally fits his personality and character development.
>Materialism — Ignorance — Stagnation — Self-bondage
>Lust — Egoism — Obsession — Anxiety — Anger
>Hedonism — Passion — Instincts — Racist
Sexuality — Temptation — Doubt — Vice
Futility — Physical attraction — Pessimism — Insight
I have only paid attention to Kaneki, Juuzo, and Touka's cards in the sequel but now seeing Seidou's card becomes true, it's really interesting to see other characters' cards too: _Uta and his sun card: this throws me off the track because I honestly don't know if Uta should be happy in the future and his whole well being so far is fake. Income suffering I guess.
_Hide and magician: this may have already become true.
_Mutsuki: her development is obvious.
There maybe more but I don't remember.
I'm really happy about this chapter in overall. Everything I want happens here.
Most of the characters are only associated with only one number, predicting their fate so I don't think that 12 will be Hinami's.
I need a more convincing 11 on Amon because that could be the drawing unless you have other manga preference to back up. I welcome those.
>I don't think that 12 will be Hinami's.
It fits Hinami's current situation:
Sacrifice — >Letting go — Surrendering — Passivity
Suspension — >Acceptance — Renunciation — Patience
>New point of view — Contemplation — Inner harmony
Conformism — Non-action — Waiting — Giving up
Also, the same with Amon
Fathering — >Stability — Authority — >Power
Control — Discipline — Command — >Common sense
>Status quo — Order — Structure — Egocentrism
Tradition — Rigidity — Leadership — Experience
Inflexibility — Conservative ways — Organization
>if Hinami is truly happy with Aogiri
Eh, she doesn't have to be happy with them, anon. Hanged Man is about new pint of view, she essentially changed her passive life to be part of a terrorist organization that kills humans.
When Touka told her to kill Mado Hinami said she didn't care about that.
Is the Hanged Man or the High Priestess.
But 2 doesn't fit her
Knowingness – Love – Relationships
Wisdom – Sound judgment – Serenity
Common sense – Intuition
Mystical vision – introspection – otherworldliness
They even spelled out the attributes of the Kagune types almost like game stats
Ukaku - long-range, high speed, low stamina
Koukaku - slow tanks (high defense, low speed), mostly close-range
Rinkaku - glass cannon (high attack power, low defense) and high regeneration, mid-range
Bikaku - balanced stats, mid range
>Dat Mado's facial expression
>Being this smug
God I can't wait for Seido to BTFO of Akira.
So no more smug from her, but suffering.
There are some lines in that picture that are pointless. The light in Torso's car comes from her right side, but in the left side that is brighter in her hair.
But as what you said you can ignore it.
>'The Bastard' elite
Is that a game or something?
I didn't notice it before but someone on
Kanou: For the most part, it seems the situation of the fight is moving along.
Kanou: What do you think? Isn’t it about time that we let out the ‘Owl’?
Eto: Think you can do it? Takizawa-kun.
Seidou: Hurry it up. I’m hungry.
>Akira will never step on you
I guess that was revenge for Naki biting her. God, she is fucking brutal just like her dad.
Reddit being as stupid as always.
That was one of the points here when the theory was first being formed, since it only shows on one side.
I actually found the thread again:
>don't know about 90% of the characters or their names
>what the hell are kinques
>what is even going on
>how can I actually read a chapter the right way because right now I can't even decide who's talking
The new translation is now:
Kanou: Hmm… The battle has begun. Eto-san… How about it? Isn’t it time to get “Tooru”?
Eto: How is it? Can you do it? Takizawa-kun?
Seidou: Hurry up already. I’m hungry.
Seido reminds me of when Kaneki went fuckin insane and accepted his ghoul side.
As expected of Tumblr; I can bet that's a mistake.
It's like this anon said >>122206606 Kanou was referring to the new 'Owl'
Why the fuck does everyone want Mutsuki? I don't understand. Is it because she's just an easy target or what?
The only one who wants Mutsuki is Torso.
Kanae wants her for Tsukiyama because she's a one-eye like Kaneki. If Aogiri theoretically wanted her, it would probably be because she's a CCG one-eye and they want to dissect her.
They want her to OP because muh good projection of a trans character for faggots.
Except for Torso (as his sex doll) and Kanae (a snack for homo prince) nobody wants her.
worthless people should be tortured until they are not useless, or killed.
While they would initially seem to be, there are several strong ones like Orca, Tatara, and Noro. Nishiki also improved a lot too.
My vote is for koukaku, since outside of Arata their power is underwhelming.
I also remember this thread:
Not much has changed since then.
Brah Yamori was a insane crazy pyschopathic motherfucker who was strong, so why can't Seido be strong. I mean he even has the Owl's kagune.
Plus at the moment he's hungry so he has to fill up.
>Yamori was a insane crazy pyschopathic motherfucker who was strong
Because Yamori wasn't mindbroken as Seidou is. If you look at him he seems as he only wants to eat. Yamori was conscious of what he was doing. Seidou is only following orders.
Anon in the thread I linked talks about it.
It comes out from under his coat and looks like a tail, so probably bikaku.
i think yamori managed to compartmentalize it pretty well. i don't think the same could be said about takizawa, who looks like he's about to snap any minute. doesn't help that he was a mentally weak spaz from the get-go
Now that you mention it, Koukaku types also lack noteworthy members.
Arata, Tsukiyama, and Naki
Urie...is still on the weaker end of the spectrum and Ryouko wasn't a fighter.
Hinami...also wasn't a fighter pre-timeskip, now she'Lloyd most likely be badass
Yamori was mind broken as well, it's just that he created another personality to make it seem like he was sane when he wasn't. I mean that fucker put a hole through Nico just to calm him down. That's why he resorted to violence because he had a snapping temper.
Looks pretty balanced to me.
>kanekis left hand was half an inch too long wow the anime is so terrible lol manga4ever anime = permashit
oh wait thats every tg thread
Are you discussing with the manga?
Don't start a shitstorm. I'm liking this thread.
Look at the other lists.
Simply put, the sheer collective amount of skill in the Ukaku list is insurmountable. Most of them could wipe the floor with any other ghoul in the other lists.
We have Eto and Yoshimura for the really OP Ukaku.
We have Kaneki for the really OP Rinkaku. We have. We really need an OP Bikaku and Koukaku. Maybe Noro and Tatara?
Also since when is Tatara a Bikaku?
Yep. I wonder if she brought Ryouko too?
Not that I don't think Irimi and Ayato and Yomo are bad at all. Just that the real heavy-hitters are those two. If we're talking about those in the Irimi/Ayato/Yomo-tier, Bikaku has Shachi, Nishiki and Bin-Brothers and also possibly Noro. (I think so)
Rinkaku has Kaneki, Yamori and Rize.
It's really Koukaku I think that isn't working out. You have Arata who is really the only monster there. Naki and Tsukiyama are okay, but we don't really have any monsters there. It's why I hope Tatara is koukaku beyond Arata.
>We need an OP Bikaku and Koukaku.
Orca for the Bikaku faction and Arata for the Koukaku faction although we haven't seen him yet.
>Since when is Tatara a Bikaku?
Check the panel where kills that one investigator during the Anteiku raid. You can see a single tail coming from underneath his coat.
>Seidowl vs Everybody
Why are Takizawafags so cancerous?
>HURR DURR HE WILL FUCK EVERYONE
>HE'S THE NEW BADASS THAT WILL KILL THE QS SHIT
He's going to be strong but i seriously doubt that he's anything impressive. If he's at a higher-tier then pic related i call bullshit.
It's because everyone saw him as a pussy in the beginning but now since he turned into a Ghoul. People want him to prove that he isn't the little shit that everyone thought he was.
He needs redemption to go from the little beta who was overshadowed by others to one that can stand his own in a fight.
Our only hope really was kakuja Tsukiyama, which was blown to hell once he turned up as an infirm fatty. Arata if still alive is probably out of his mind from being farmed so long. Naki and Urie look to have limited potential.
Now it's all on Hinami to redeem the koukaku.
>Now it's all on Hinami to redeem the koukaku.
That'd be cheating.
Besides, Naki is definitely elite. He was already close to being one of the OP ghouls that could take on anyone before :Re.
Retard strength dakara
>Unless of course his complete kakuja clads him in armor as well
That was what I was going for, I can't imagine Eto or Yoshimura being able to wear one, and I can't recall ever seeing any other Kakuja.
I dunno. It's kind of weird. Yamori's half-kakuja gave him armor of sorts, Eto has an entire fucking form, Yoshimura has koukaku blades plus armor, Arata's entire kakuja focus is on being armor.
Kaneki has only a mask and basically, more OP versions of his rinkaku.
All the kakuja and half- we've seen so far have been armor-based. I agree though, Kaneki went more for offense even then so Arata might work for him.
>That'd be cheating.
The koukaku have to be given a handicap, or they're not even competition. Naki is technically elite since he's an S, but he's never really won against any named characters. No way he could stand up to the top ranks of the other types.
To be honest, at this point I pity her more due her audience. Like pic related.
Couldn't you find an uglier picture? If that's love I don't want to know what is hate.
But friendly remainder to them their precious trap is going to end dead/as Torso's lovey-dovey waifu/as a brown assertive woman.
I can't wait for trapfags' tears.
What's that ugly non-human creature? Kill it. Tumblr are saying niggers are this ugly.
>Mucchan identifies as a male
>Ishida for being transphobic on a regular basis.
<---- And this is why this has to be our policy.
It's possible Seido did it to himself. Kaneki himself broke under his hunger and tried to eat Hide, but was stopped by Touka.
Seido could have, say, gone back to his family and ate them.
It's also possible he outright doesn't know ghouls can eat coffee. Kaneki tried a lot of shit and figured it out, but some people might just give up after trying the basic food groups.
They still don't have the raws? well okay...
What i don't get is how Seido is still alive, he was bitten and lost a really big chunk of his body, he lost a fuckton of bones, organs, and litters of blood. Not to mention the shock of the hit he got, the pain would kill him.
>it didn't hit the heart
Just a question, how can any of you faggots sympathize with ghouls ? Its almost same as tumblr with his homo/trap/kin/nigger tolerance. They are not human and would probably kill you given a chance.
So when is Arima going to purge them all ?
>What i don't get is how Seido is still alive, he was bitten and lost a really big chunk of his body, he lost a fuckton of bones, organs, and litters of blood. Not to mention the shock of the hit he got, the pain would kill him.
Maybe he did die, just the ghoul procedure doesn't give a shit about bodies only a few hours into death.
You forget they have a really good doctor and fancy machines.
>Seido could have, say, gone back to his family and ate them.
Do you really think Aogiri (specially Kanou and Tatara) was going to let him escaped when he is (one?) a suceful half-ghoul?
Amon and him could have tried to escaped, but maybe Amon was the only one who did in the end.
What? Ghouls can drink coffee, but they can live only from coffee.
>Do you really think Aogiri (specially Kanou and Tatara) was going to let him escaped when he is (one?) a suceful half-ghoul?
Probably, if they made sure to keep tabs on him. It'd be an effective way to mindbreak him, anyway.
>Takizawa gets called "Owl" in this chapter
>same chapter notes Haise's movements resemble Arima's
Ishida knows what he has to do.
>Do you really think Aogiri (specially Kanou and Tatara) was going to let him escaped when he is (one?) a suceful half-ghoul?
It's a psychological prison. So they let him go, what's he going to do? Go back to the CCG and get killed? He'll eventually cave and go back to Aogiri.
Of course, they could have also just gave him the Jason special course. Naki was probably used to Jason's methods.
Man, i feel really bad for Seido, he trained his whole life to kill ghouls, and lost to one so hard that he was made into a ghoul.
That would be absolutely terrible
and despair inducing!
>i don't get is how Seido is still alive
<---- Because of this, Tatara needed to vent his frustrations on someone. He probably tortured Seidou mentality or/and physically.
Yeah but Kaneki didn't had half of his body chopped of, Seido should have died instantly
he was hit in the air, after he was bitten he would have fell and died right there, it just makes no sense.
>Go back to the CCG and get killed?
If the CCG didn't killed Kaneki, why would they kill Seidou? At the contrary they would be glad to used him in battle or to analyzed Kanou's experimentations.
He was still an investigator, though. Investigators, even those like Seido, have tougher bodies than normal. So that combined with manga logic on what exactly a human body is capable of enduring explains it.
>it just makes no sense.
Well if Aogiri immediately brought Seidou to Kanou he could do something, like the hemorrhage, put him in an artificial breather. Then performed the operation.
>he was still an investigator
and a human, no human, no matter how buff they were would have survived such a hit, he was critically injured god damn, none of this makes sense.
Yeah, I thought if anyone died, he did.
Is that Akira in his eye?
Your father hit you and told you it was his way to show you his love, didn't he?
If Haise learns the arima dodge he'll be FUCKIN' INVINCIBLE
I hate when you idiots already started speculate shit out of your fucking anus, like that's how exactly happened. We don't even know for what reason Eto needs her. Maybe it's because she's half ghoul from CCG's perspective and they want to study how the hell they got material to make half artificial ghouls in their sides. And Eto don't know that Kaneki is still alive, or she is, we don't know shit about Eto and informed she is about everything. God.
I still call Haise having Arima's movements bullshit because why the fuck didn't he use it during the fight with Nishiki. I mean he got blown the fuck out without the help of Kaneki.
They call him Ouru, not an official way of calling Owl in Japan. I guess Kanou considers those experiment inferior to the true Owl.
Welp, Kanou and Eto may just want to test how strong this Owl is.
Either he didn't have any composure that time since he was rushing to save his students or because Owl was pretty overwhelming as a fighter (and not just a physical powerhouse). Those are the kinds of excuses I can come up with.
Your diction and syntax give it away. If you're a native English speaker I worry about the state of your country's education.
It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't throw a barely comprehensible bitch fit whenever Eto is mentioned.
Now that both CCG and Aogiri possess one eye ghouls. It will be very interesting to see how the public response to this.
I bet V is having anal rage since there is so many half ghouls wandering around. V appearance when?
>I bet V is having anal rage since there is so many half ghouls wandering around.
>V appearance when?
They are the only ones who are missing this party.
>And do you think there were failed subjects as well?
He was probably a failure and that's why they call him floppy. And with failure i mean is that they couldn't break him.
See if Amon did really escape I doubt he would escape alone without fleeing with Seido. So I have a feeling they were separated while trying to escape because Amon isn't a type of person to leave his comrade.
>comprehensible bitch fit whenever Eto is mentioned
I actually right now got into this thread. And I'm okay with some of you mentioning Eto, depends if you taking it seriously. I got what they said about Eto wants more artificial ghouls in a wrong, I'm even didn't knew that translations were false. And yes I'm not native speaker still learning though.
This pic always reminds of this one. Too bad Ishida didn't finish coloring it.
And now he's truly the japanese Batman, with dark past and everything.
Good on you for learning, but you have to understand your style is recognizable. When you take every post 100% seriously and respond belligerently, it becomes associated with you. Not dissimilar to shitposter-kun and that Arimafag actually. I expect people often ignore you entirely, like I do, because it's pointless to argue with that kind of person.
Although this is pretty much the equivalent of Houji having made quinques out of Tatara's friends. Maybe worse, since Seido was, in all likelihood, tortured into becoming a mess of a person.
Haisepede knows Arima's tricks. I think /a/ pointed this out when the fight against Serpent was released.
Please don't associated me with them. I also I was discussing a lot about other topics besides Eto and I was getting answer and never was called as one. And please don't say, that anons need to ignore my posts, it's down right a insult for me, even though it's a example.
It was a purposeful example because regardless of your intent that's what you're doing. Incidentally, I did not say they need to ignore you, but rather that I expect they are ignoring you. If there are times when you participate in actual discussion and don't get called out, that's a good thing. You should try that more often.
Why do girls like Tokyo Ghoul so much? Ever grill I've talked to brings it up like along with fucking SnK like it's the crowning achievement of animation for the decade. Just, why?
I don't watch the show since I've heard the adaptation is shitty, just an explanation would be helpful.
Sorry for off-topic shitposting but are Naruto and Bleach worse than Fairy Tail with that kind of stuff but nobody ever says shit?
Because I can't even remember the last time Naruto (Jiraiya?) or Bleach (Unohana I guess..) had someone significant die for good.
Yeah, i don't like Takizawa being alive. He was a nice side character and his dead was tragic but now he's the new crazy Yamori, Kaneki or whatever you call that shit.
And don't get me even started on all these Takizawafags who defend him until the end.
Why do people want Seidou to die or think he'll die? I call bullshit if Ishida just brought him in just to only be killed in a few chapters like a fodder. If that was the plan he might as well just killed him in the beginning because that would be cheap as fuck and poor writing.
Fuck where the heck is Batman when you need him.
So I guess Amon being alive is alright but Seidou isn't, WTF.
That's the purpose of fodder characters, only to be brought in and killed for another major characters' suffering.
I don't see any problem of him being killed since he is not that significant in the first place.
He is just another subject for Kanou and Eto to test their research.
Man I hope to god he doesn't die just to see you guys get BTFO.
In fact I hope he beats the living shit out of Akira.
I'm also esl, but I'm hoping I'll only be noticeable because I say Yoshimura best ghoul. And that I hope he's saved.
No Seidou was actually foreshadowed to be alive. I mean the testament and the devil tarot card right before the Anteiku attack were all hints of him not actually dying, and that he would have a role later on.
Fuck I was one of the very few who said Seidou was alive but was bombarded by fags saying I'm stupid and some shit. The funny thing it was right in front of their fuckin face. That's why Ishida said all the answers were in the manga.
So who are the ones left that are supposedly dead?
Shiro was mortally injured but i guess after the shit with Takizawa in this chapter she's alive.
Woof woof and devil ape went to V14 where Arima killed all ghouls but we never saw their corpses so it's likely that they are alive as well. Maybe their gangs made a suicide attack against Arima so they could escape.
Hide is missing so he's confirmed alive too.
Brah if he were to be able to foreshadow these fuckers from the very beginning, or even have chapter 72 be called halfway and to end it on chapter 143. I can tell you for a fact that Ishida planned everything.
The only character I think have a high chance of being dead are devil ape and dog woman. It seems like all the missing and assumed dead CCG members are alive because they're too crucial to the story to just be "missing and dead".
Man, i don't want to admit it but there is no tension. 163 chapters TG (with :re) and there is no important dead. I think from now on we shouldn't expect any characters to die.
I remember someone posting your reaction image search results on the archive and seeing that you browse Yugioh threads on /v/ and beg for people to respond to your posts in one piece threads. Why do you insist on being such an autistic faggot?
I'm literally looking at your posts on /v/ and /vg/ right now. Didn't notice that you also browse wow generals.
I thought you were just shitposting in this threads but by the looks of it you're genuinely disabled to a degree.
He's literally a renowned shitposting autistic in these threads. Bigger faggots have came and gone, like this guy for example.
You saying they better her?
Yeah. I don't really have any idea what they could do. Shiro, after all, couldn't regenerate, but Kuro's still alive.
Twins are exactly 3rd best for me, but still best
Will he suddenly appear with his strengthened kagune to save Haise and Akira from Seidou?
>Sucks massive dick at fighting without Kagune
>Kagune barrier thing at 40% as opposed to Kaneki fully released one
The whole Q squad is honest god the weakest characters that aren't very minor side characters we have ever seen, and i'm 99% sure we won't see any major characters that are weaker than them.
It's true that they are weak, but don't forget they only graduated from the academy and got their kagune recently. They are still young and need to grow up, which is the point of these characters. We'll see Urie get the spotlight soon, no worry about that.
I'm pretty certain they're going to be stuck at garbage tier for the rest of the series unless there's another timeskip for some reason. They probably won't even have any major fights, and if they do it'll be against some A rank ghoul fodder. Since this aint a shonen series, it's not as though they're going to train for like a month straight and come out super stronk. You either have it or you don't.
Well, you're pretty pessimistic about their future. They are arguably A rank as half-ghouls, and since Urie got a power-up, he's probably S rank. If you consider S rank ghouls as shitty, then this is another matter, though.
As I said before they suck monster cock at not using their kagune. I immensely doubt he can take on an S rank ghoul with his "power up". Please don't tell me that you actually believe that because he unlocked the other part of his kagune, going from 20% to 40% that this somehow doubles his strength.
All of the Q's have no talent as fighters, and i'm not exactly pessimistic, i'm being realistic. Since it seems extremely doubtful that they're going to be able to be strong enough to be competent during the span of the series.
Also I thought it was pretty clear that the ranks aren't power levels.
I would like to hope so. I do pray it's not Urie though, because though I do like how he's getting development as a character through seeing his thoughts, I do think he's a tremendous fag.
from now on im gonna call you the "narcassist nig" because you wont stfu about urie
He is talking about a fictional character, not himself, and you are calling him narcissistic?
>Please don't tell me that you actually believe that because he unlocked the other part of his kagune, going from 20% to 40% that this somehow doubles his strength.
I'll overlook the fact that you speedread the manga. Anyway, becoming stronger doesn't mean doubling one's stronger, don't exaggerate what I said.
We have barely seen them using their quinques, so we still can't say that they are bad with it, even if's probably be the case. As for their barehanded skills, they are still weak, but as I said, they barely got out of the academy, and with their kagune, they are arguably A class. The point of their characters is that they have to grow up and that they will grow up. It's even one of the most important points of the story. Why would Ishida let the four Quinx, who are basically the MCs of :re, stay weak? It's nothing but realistic.
>Also I thought it was pretty clear that the ranks aren't power levels.
I can't even
He even writes on 4chan like Urie would, this guy is a classic case of multiple personality disorder, hes trash, hes a narcissist.
>don't exaggerate what I said.
I thought you might have thought that since for whatever reason you put Urie at an S ranked level for whatever reason.
>Why would Ishida let the four Quinx, who are basically the MCs of :re, stay weak?
Because it's within the realm of reason, as I said before, this isn't a shonen. Unless they all had their limiters removed they're going to stay shit.
The strongest they could possibly get to would be strong enough to take down an S rated ghoul, and that's really doubtful seeing as how they had to take out their kagunes on a 1v2 with a B ranked ghoul. This series isn't all about fightan and smashing, Ishida probably thinks it's fine that they can develop as characters without being particularly good at what they do.
I'll overlook the fact that you speedread (pic related).
I didn't contradict you about them being weak without kagune. I already said that they barely got out of the academy and are still young like Amon was when he began his training under Mado. Anyway, they aren't weak with their kagune, and there's no reason to judge their strength solely according to their strength without kagune.
Saying they have no talent as fighters is the same as saying as young Hinami and young Amon have no talent. There isn't much logic in it.
>Since it seems extremely doubtful that they're going to be able to be strong enough to be competent during the span of the series.
They aren't mere side characters. They are basically the MCs of :re.
good work Narcissist Nig sympathiser.
You should mount a dialdo on your chair so everytime someone mentions urie you will sit on it.
You really like spouting "speedreader", don't you?
> they barely got out of the academy and are still young
This means essentially nothing you do realise? I doubt the series will even span over a year, and unless they were training 24/7 they're going to remain trash.
> young Hinami and young Amon have no talent.
It was pretty obvious that they were pretty standoutish among other characters. The Q's are showing nothing but how weak and naive they are.
Sure they'll probably be strong at some point, but the series will be over before they even get the chance. They can't just power level there way through the series like that, and I doubt they will.
i don't think you give ishida enough credit. tg not being a shonen doesn't discount them from getting strong, even if it requires a time skip and not all of them ending up on the same level. it's also pretty likely that one or two will become half-ghoul at some point given the explanation of the frame-controlled mechanism as foreshadowing. it would just feel wrong if haise ends up being the powerhouse pulling the qs along as nothing but stragglers. i think it would be pretty boring that way
>it would just feel wrong if haise ends up being the powerhouse pulling the qs along
Not really, I mean, he's kind of the main character and all. Don't you think it'll be interesting if he had little follower characters? It's like his goon squad with Tsukiyama and Banjou all over again, but they're weaker and obligated to follow him.
>I thought you might have thought that since for whatever reason you put Urie at an S ranked level for whatever reason.
I can't do anything about it if you don't accept my logical explanation, so let's leave it at that.
>Because it's within the realm of reason, as I said before, this isn't a shonen.
They aren't going to stay weak under the pretext that they are in a shonen manga. Most of the recurrent characters became stronger. Besides, Haise is training the Quinx in order to raise an investigator stronger than Arima.
>I doubt the series will even span over a year, and unless they were training 24/7 they're going to remain trash.
So you were just baiting me, huh?
>I can't do anything about it if you don't accept my logical explanation, so let's leave it at that.
You gave literally none. You just said that his kagune was unlocked further and that somehow made him an S level threat.
>They aren't going to stay weak under the pretext that they are in a shonen manga.
Nigga yes they are, have you ever seen any character in this series get a power boost through "muh training"? Kaneki barely got any stronger through training and got all his boosts from either not being a pussy and getting a Kakuja
>So you were just baiting me, huh?
Did the original series span longer than a year? No, so why would this one? Are you an actual idiot?
i don't have a problem with haise having weaker followers than him, especially since i don't really expect the q's to surpass him. i just think it would be disappointing if they never progressed much strength-wise (or follow a different path)
there is a level beyond autism
you can call it autism 2
Kaneki started at basically nothing and improved dramatically over two months, then even more over six. Short time skips are not out of the question. That said, I tend to agree with you. The strong characters were already standouts, except Kaneki whose copycat autism took some time to show itself. The Qs have had plenty of time to make themselves standouts at the Academy and in the series, and they haven't. Trying to cram that in now seems a little pointless when we have so many characters set up to clash who have had timeskip training time.
Haise's being set up as the new Arima. It's pretty much a given he'll have lackeys to handle less important enemies or delay strong ones. He had those even as Don Kanekipede, though introducing the Qs solely for that purpose would be odd. I also agree that's a little boring. I have faith that Ishida will develop them well whatever the case.
The original series' timespan was just under a year. Two months at Anteiku, six month time skip, then a few months to the Anteiku raid.
Now that I think about it it's pretty fucking strange how the strength of these characters go. It really appears as though it's "you either have it or you don't". I mean, you've got Arima who was apparently always over the top god autist, even though Touka was struggling with Mado, Hinami activated her kagune's for the first time and just fucked him on the spot.
And despite Orca having trained for an undetermined amount of years learning martial arts and refining his body, he would still likely get beaten by Arima easily.
I wonder if Orca can fuck up Owl. Surely having a Kakuja doesn't make you that much stronger
Hopefully they Ishida will go into at least some detail as to why he's so strong. I refuse to believe a normal person can just be so strong like that despite seemingly having no formal training.
I'll never understand how you find this funny. Or is this because you hate Arima?
That's not being autistic. That's called being a stoic. It's obvious that he hides his emotions if you pay attention to the manga. The scene where Arima is suppose to write his will when going into the mission is also a good hint at that.
>The Qs have had plenty of time to make themselves standouts at the Academy and in the series, and they haven't.
It doesn't mean they can't improve, though. Amon is a fine example.
>The original series' timespan was just under a year.
So he was talking about the timespan of the story rather than the manga itself? Still, his argument was nonsense since we saw Amon's growth.
>You just said that his kagune was unlocked further and that somehow made him an S level threat.
So you're implying that getting a stronger kagune doesn't make one stronger then the point of Urie getting a stronger kagune is to become stronger.
>Nigga yes they are, have you ever seen any character in this series get a power boost through "muh training"? Kaneki barely got any stronger through training and got all his boosts from either not being a pussy and getting a Kakuja.
And now you're implyng that Kaneki was a shitty character under the pretext that he was weak bare-handed.
>why power levels aren't in your non-shonen series.
Are you serious? They rank ghouls according to their strength, it's fucking official. I'm done replying to your low quality bait, try again later, shitposter.
do u just not know how epic cool memes are born?
if he was a real person, people would think he would be autistic. You don't see too many stoic people around. Autists, on the other hand
The only thing that a ghoul has over humans is superior durability, regeneration,and physical strength. It said nothing about them being better in kinetic vision or reflexes. It's one of the reason the CCG is able to combat ghouls and Arima is the pinnacle of it.
>Amon is a fine example.
No, he was always recognized as a prodigy throughout the entirety of the series. He's a terrible example of how a character's strength can creep. Wasn't he the youngest first class investigator?
don't accuse me of speedreading son, I forgot
>So you're implying that getting a stronger kagune doesn't make one stronger
He's obviously going to be stronger to a degree, but it's not as though he'll move up in strength like that, as i'll tell you later
>And now you're implyng that Kaneki was a shitty character under the pretext that he was weak bare-handed
Kaneki was always strong, he was stronger than Touka the second he became a ghoul, he was just afraid and inexperienced in battle. Getting tortured by Yamori made him not afraid and essentially immune to pain. He already had the strength to begin with
> They rank ghouls according to their strength, it's fucking official
It's not actually. They rate ghouls according to their threat levels. If they had a baby ghoul that shat nukes i'd imagine that give it an SSSSSS ranking or something.
Do you really think that Orca, the SS rated ghoul that has refined his body for battle and spent years learning martial arts is on par with some of the other SS rated ghouls. The gap between him in Kaneki is huge.
Orca could probably stand up to some SSS rated ghouls if there were more.
Really? I never saw Amon as that improved. He seemed to fight the same way every time, and he was known for that. He was paired with Mado, who was well-respected, and respected by Shinohara. Arima praised his skill, however perfunctory. I think it was mentioned somewhere that he was famous at the Academy? In any case, Amon's growth was much more about his pseudo-rivalry with Kaneki, his understanding of ghouls, and getting him involved in the deeper conspiracy. It was focused non-combat development even though he was skilled in combat and trained hard for it.
I believe other anon thinks you haven't substantiated that Urie was an A rank and has subsequently been bumped firmly into S. The CCG ranks ghouls according to threat level, which includes combat ability as well as killing habits. Rize was S-ranked from her kills alone, since she'd never been caught by an investigator.
Baiting or not, I probably would call Mutsuki a "him" if she looked remotely like a guy. Those pronouns are only used because she just said "I'm a guy" and they probably went along with it, they don't know any better. I call male characters that look like girls "she" because they look like a girl, and unless I get eaten alive for calling them a girl then I will continue to do so.
Why would I change what I refer to them as? Because I'd rather not derail a thread because of my insistence on calling a character something they're blatantly not.
Okay, some advice should we continue to discuss the Gender Question(tm). Remember when discussing that we are talking about a very sensitive Real Life Issue that falls under the classic "Politics and Religion" rule. It is a heated topic that brings out strong opinions, and is something real people struggle with in real life. Some of the people that have commented and participated belong to the group being discussed, so please remember to RESPECT THEIR FEELINGS and think before you comment. Remember that it fits into the same category of Touchy Subjects that Race and Religion do, so approach with caution.
Stuff you should avoid saying:
1. Like the article itself states, please stick with Masculine pronouns. Feminine pronouns have never been used within the material, so stick with that as your basis. If completely in doubt, you can also use neutral ones like "they/them/their".
2. Please avoid negative stereotypes and negative statements about transgender identities.
3. Remember when presenting theories that things like "Mutsuki thinks girls are weak or useless" is not canon. That is one theory people have presented, but drawn wholly from their own minds and not from the material. We honestly don't know Mutsuki's opinions on girls.
4. Mutsuki has not actually stated anything about his identity yet, so remember that nothing is set in stone. The line being pointed to as evidence right now is very ambiguous and uncertain in the Japanese. It can be read several different ways, leaving it open what Mutsuki actually means.
5. If someone makes a statement that seems offensive, please explain to them the reason. The fact is Gender Issues are something that a lot of people honestly don't understand or know anything about. And if someone does express that they find a statement you made troublesome, please LISTEN to the reason that it could be problematic.
I don't think people here read this series because of the tension anyone can die. It was more that something bad was always going to happen. While it's possible not everyone died in the ant wiki raid lets look at the consequences.
> kaneki was stabbed inthe braintwice and has forgotten his past self and now fights to kill ghouls.
>yoshimura is now in a tube constantly being fed to harvest his kagune
>takizawa has been likely tortures for 3 years to become the next owl/kaneki
>hinami was left all alone with the group and now works with aogiri and is clearly not happy.
>touka had to deal with the loss of her family and kaneki for 3 years.
> shinohara is in a coma and this affected juuzos character immensely.
>Amon May be a ghoul which is somewhat ironic since he had been a bit more open minded about ghouls
>Akira had to deal with her best friends being Mia for 3 years.
>tsukiyama got fat
I don't think anyone really cares if they're hurting anyone's feelings on an anime inspired anonymous (key word, anonymous) image board. If you feel the need to bring up how to correctly address a fiction character then you need to re evaluate your life. You'll get banned here if you go into some spiel about how a certain comment has hurt your feelings.
You can reply to me if you like, i'll read it, I just won't respond. You're really not welcome here if you think like that.
>Really? I never saw Amon as that improved. He seemed to fight the same way every time, and he was known for that. He was paired with Mado, who was well-respected, and respected by Shinohara. Arima praised his skill, however perfunctory. I think it was mentioned somewhere that he was famous at the Academy? In any case, Amon's growth was much more about his pseudo-rivalry with Kaneki, his understanding of ghouls, and getting him involved in the deeper conspiracy. It was focused non-combat development even though he was skilled in combat and trained hard for it.
It must because you are not the person with whom I began talking, but there seems to be some great confusion about becoming stronger with a weapon (quinque or kagune) and becoming stronger with purely technical skills.
>Rize was S-ranked from her kills alone, since she'd never been caught by an investigator.
We barely know anything about Rize. She might very well have faced an investigator stronger than her and run away. Moreover, we have been shown several examples of how the CCG ranks ghouls solely according to their strength, such as how they did with Arata.
Anyway, I'll let you have the last word about this if you want to reply because it wasn't even the topic of the conversation to begin with. I was originally talking with a guy who baited me by saying that there the Quinx are the weakest characters of the manga and that the greatest opponents they will ever face are "A rank ghoul fodder" unless there is a timeskip.
I'm glad there is another person who likes Mutsuki (pic related).
>I was originally talking with a guy who baited me by saying that there the Quinx are the weakest characters of the manga and that the greatest opponents they will ever face are "A rank ghoul fodder" unless there is a timeskip.
I'm that guy and you completely dodged my post. >>122230997
The Q's are the weakest characters of the series and all you've had to say is that Amon is an example of how a character can grow stronger, despite the fact he graudated from the academy years and years ago, and he is a prodigy on top of that.
I don't like saying this, because usually shits with no argument say this, but I honestly can't argue with you anymore. You keep saying they're somehow going to become strong in this ridiculously short period of time, using Amon as an example despite him training for many many years, and have these dumb collages of the Q's.
Surely you realize you have at least some biased towards these characters. I mean, you were dead wrong about the ranking system determining strength, and you think Urie is somehow on par with an S rank ghoul now even though at the start of the series, weeks ago even, he was struggling against a B rank ghoul.
Nah man, you're dead wrong.
for what purpose did tsukiyama jump and fly in the air yelling out kaneki ken ? that was just awkward as fuck
Because staff likes to make him pathetic, dumb and awkward
'KANEKI...KEEEEEEN' -tsukiyama shoe
Alright buddy. Enjoy your autistic TG collages. Be sure to print them out and put them on your wall with tape.
Also enjoy being wrong, because you didn't address my points at all.
Here's Mutsuki's logic, if that's a trans man:
"I always felt like a man, I want to be seen as a male, but I will have an operation that causes by body to regenerate according to my genes thus making any sex reassignment surgery utterly impossible."
It does't make sense? Well of course since "Tooru" is just a regular woman. She doesn't want to be seen as such due to some rapey trauma after which she identified her woman's look as the cause.
Read chapter 13, it's plain obvious that the trans theory is BS. Why are you tumblrites insisting when you perfectly know that you're wrong and that you'll have to later bash a japanese author for not giving in your narrow-minded western social justice propaganda?
Yep you are, you just wasting your time with this desperate cunt, that literally got his post deleted by mods because of his obnoxiously last thread. Baiting with the most known shit like calling mutsuki 'hes', and obviously from tumblr
Fucks sake. At least I reduced the autist to spamming image macros. I left before because there was shitposting of people screaming "tumblr" to posts they disliked, there was probably 10 people screaming tumblr for every 1 person that was actually from tumblr.
I thought that autistic defense would shoo away any tumblr whales, god damn.
You literally wasted your time with this faggot, and now you going leave? And tumblr always was here to bait these autistic fags. If you really left TG threads for a while, you should have at least informed, the threads got shittier, Arimafag shitposters, trapfag posting tumblr images to bait, not always though, etc. But yeah, most people began to ignore them, but sometimes it's fucking impossible.
No no, I didn't say I was going to leave. I'll probably just frequent them around the time of release again. Just taken back by their being more standoutish fags here. I wish they'd use a trip so I could filter them, they stand out just as much as someone with one.
>for what purpose does tsukiyama act over the top and crazy?
Gee anon, i dont know, i wonder if that has anything to do with his personality and the person he is GEE WHIZ
> Implying Takizawa's doggy won't show up at the auction and destroy his kokoro
I liked this last episode. Old guy's speech was there to the point and well done, even if it did miss one line.
And they had my favorite bit from there too, where the guy in command just smiles, sad like at the Fake-Owl. Pity they didn't add his lines "Don't glare so much. It's just my job."