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Who is the biggest Mary Sue in all of anime?

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Who is the biggest Mary Sue in all of anime?
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you're waifu
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Kirito from SAO.
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Seriously, Ayaka Kagari.
I did not go into it expecting an intricate plot, but holy shit if most of the fights weren't solved by
>suddenly kagari!
>who's on fire
>also invincible lol

Tower witches were cute though.
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>>121906004
Least it made sense for Tatsuya to be OP since the guy is basically the six billion dollar man and had actually training in combat and science.
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>>121906666
>six billion
Isn't it the other way around though? They basically got a hold of a kid who is mega OP locked enough power away that they could control him in a pinch then trained him up a little. It's not like he's their protoge I mean, he'd teaching the government how to operate or invent half the time.
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>>121906666
>Least it made sense


Not really. Theres something seriously stupid about a universe where you are able to reload time to heal wounds, spell cancel, and drop nukes and you are still considered to be a shit tier mage.
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>>121906537

Ondereitd post.
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>>121907156
If you read the books or at least understood the anime he's by no means considered a shit tier mage by the people who actually know who he is.

That whole nonsense about he's slow at casting spells is not true because he actually can cast spell near instantly WITHOUT CAD assistance but doing that would reveal how OP he actually is. So the way he solves this problem is taking round about methods to cast simple magic but as a side effect it makes him have a below average spell construct time.
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>>121907156
Maybe it's a critique on credentialism
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>>121906004
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>>121907319


Then why does his family still treat him like garbage when he can do all these amazing things? If I knew a guy who could instantly blow up my house I most likely wouldn't be mean to him.
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>>121907410
Read the LN.

He isn't actually a magician based on the rules of the Mahouka Universe.
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I never see the protag from Re:Monster mentioned in these threads, when he really should. Early on you think he's just average and down on his luck, and will have to get through his predicament using his wits. Then you learn that he has a super special unique superpower which sounds like the most broken thing in the universe. Then he uses it and it really is the most overpowered and broken thing in the universe. Then he keeps getting super-special unique/rare powerups nonstop, makes everyone around him worship him, and gets literal harems of girls bending to his dick.

It's the most blatant power fantasy I've seen in my life.
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>>121906004
This dude's sister has gotta be the most annoying thing I've seen in anime, My god, her whole character is to fap over how awesome her brother is. How boring is that? Who wants that as their waifu?
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>>121907213
Not a mary sue completely. He has legitimate issues and didn't solve all problems

>>121906004
Satire on mary sue, whether done intentionally or not

>>121906152
Huge mary sue. Fits the definition perfectly. His issues aren't even real issues, or just don't exist despite them saying they do
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>>121907361
perfect summary of the anime.
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>>121907782
I agree. I hope she dies. There are so many other better girls in that show like Mayumi and Erika.
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>>121907213
fuck the creator of this shit , he died and didn't leave the ending. FUCK HIM
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>>121909431
He looks so average

Why he so average?
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>>121907823
>unintentional satire
that doesn't sounds like something that's really possible
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>>121909994
You realize that if she dies, the world will end. Her Onii-San will destroy the world from sadness.
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>>121910884
Not if she dies of natural causes. He'll kill whoever kills her and that's it, he'll go back to making CADs and say it's just another day. He can't feel sorrow.
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>>121907821
>sociopathic egomaniac who dies a pathetic death crying and panting in a puddle after overextending his bounds
Eh, he was definitely up there but wasn't nearly that bad. There are countless better examples.
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>>121910884


She won't die. Tatsuya would just pull the same shit Neo did with Trinity in the Matrix.
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>>121910884
He actually could , with material burst.
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>>121911011
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>>121911256
He's not.
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>>121907782
Shitty character, does absolutely nothing, supposed to be a goddess in looks and so good at magic but Tatsuya does everything for her she would be shit at magic without Tatsuya doing her CADs.
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>>121906825
>They basically got a hold of a kid who is mega OP

Is that how the story goes in the LN? I have only read up to what is translated on baka-tsuki.
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>>121907720
But that's just an excuse. It doesn't change the fact that he's crazy OP and can basically do anything as the plot demands and has no real problems.
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>>121907823
>Satire
Nigga this shit is playing it as straight as a ruler
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>>121906004

Not pictured: the paramedics in the back of the rig losing their shit over some retard trying to tell them how to package a patient with fractured ribs, a skill taught in EMT-B classes.
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>>121910802
It's not. >>121907823 is either retarded or in denial that anyone could write a character as bad as Tatsuya unironically.
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>>121907410
because his family thinks of him as a complete heretic of a magician.
theres something called superpowers in the setting where its essentially you can't actually use "magic" but you have some other system in place to do something retardedly well. Basically like being a idiot savant when it comes to wizardry. This is tatsuya, he explodes the shit out of things really really well, and he can fix things really really well. Those concepts in and of themselves arn't actually magic because of the processes involved and the way its done is something entirely differently, therefore within the strict mindedness of being born into an extremely high class family its rather unacceptable.
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>>121907725
try reading zhan long
why do these light novels always have some of the most interesting settings and worlds but the MOST mary sue'ish characters ever. Serioulsy Zhan Long's main character can do anything and every girl wants his dick. im basically only still reading it because I want to see more of the world the author has created, main character is boring as all fuck.
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can do no wrong
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>>121911502
That's really stupid. How do these superpowers work? What makes them different from magic? Why are they so looked down on? None of this makes any sense, it's just an excuse to make it look like Tatsuya has any problems or obstacles when he could destroy the world in an instant if he wanted with just his brain.
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>>121911601
>why do these light novels always have some of the most interesting settings and worlds but the MOST mary sue'ish characters ever.
Wish fulfillment, bruh.
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>>121907725
>It's the most blatant power fantasy I've seen in my life
Thats not arifureta. Besides, as a story about some fucker killed off from his own universe just to take over another world its pretty interesting, tho the author's juvenile use of rape is kind of annoying
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>literally rewrites the laws of the universe to get his way every fucking time
Fuck.
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>>121906004
Aizen Sousuke.
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>>121911637
mostly because magic in the mahoukaverse runs alot more like how espers in the raildexverse work and tats healing bullshit magic is more of classical actual magic.
at this point its both the fact that hes not doing magic properly according to their universe and it affects their collective social standing because of it in addition to the fact he scares the ever living shit out of them because the day Tatsuya decides hes sick of this shit literally everybody is going to die, end of discussion.
so they beat him down, remove his emotions as much as they can and pretty much do everything they can to keep the monster in its cage, and tats is pretty pissed but hes not currently in a position to nuke the entire world right now without consequences.
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>>121911502


So they care more about the process than the actual results then. What a dumb ass family.
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Medaka deliberately so.

With special shout-out to NisiO's other MS Nanami Yasuri.
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>>121911816
thats derived from the fact that its based on cultural mores and societal norms expected of the highest class of families in mahouka.
its essentially a different form of societal discrimination more then anything really.
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>>121906004
He's basically a walking supercomputer full of so much science that completely rethinks everyone else's traditional beliefs of magic. The only reason that he's seen as "weak" compared to others is that he needs to bend over backwards to do simple shit that he'd never actually need to do in the first place. Like, it's if you told him to draw a square, and while artists do it in 2 seconds, he takes 10. That's because he's actually re-creating the ceiling of the Sistene Chapel and then erasing a bunch of stuff to actually have a simple square.

However, the LNs eventually put him in situations where he can't win it all with power. It's kinda neat.
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>>121906004
Season 2 when? I need more of oni sama's greatness injected into me
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>>121911928
>implying
if he actually had all his power and wasn't constantly sealed at half power by his sister, and in addition had that super gun, he probably could have nuked his way through everything.
the literal only reason he had problems with lina was he ran both at half power the entire time and he basically was told if he used his super ability his ass was screwed.
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>>121912009
You expect an S2 from Madhouse? Seriously?
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>>121911723
Is this bait?
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>>121911628
This.
Bug Lover Eco-Jesus have so much deus ex machina it's not even fun, she doesn't even need to do something for everybody in a 10 kilometers radius wants to save her for certain death and say "oh god, she's so special".
Basically the definition of mary sue.
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>>121910884
>Implying Onii-sama can't raise the dead.
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>>121912116
>implying he didn't straight up bring back the dead in the flashback arc for both his mother and his sister.
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>>121912022
He has tact, so he wouldn't do that. Also, Miyuki can't live in a nuclear wasteland, so he couldn't do it.
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Have amateurs started cashing on Mahouka's success?
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>>121911601
It's also irritating as fuck when the author goes out of their way to make sure that the LN protagonist is ostracized or the underdog in some way.

Or if they give the protagonist some sort of power that breaks the setting's rules.
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>>121912178
Shouldn't be too long now, considering how quickly people started cashing in on Oreimo and SAO.
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>>121912167
>implying if he didn't know where the entirety of the yotsuba were, he wouldn't just kidnap his sister and then level japan for revenge, then fuck off to god knows where.
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>>121912183
>if they give the protagonist some sort of power that breaks the setting's rules.
I think that can be okay where the protagonist's rule breaking is a mechanism for exploring the setting.

I can't think of GOOD EXAMPLES off hand, but it is reasonable.
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>>121912234
He can't level GLORIOUS NIPPON, this is right-wing propaganda, remember?
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>>121912234
I don't think he's vengeful enough for that, just protective.

And yes he is completely OP but in-universe it works out somehow.
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>>121907782
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>>121912347

But she always uses Onii-sama
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>>121906004
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>>121906537
>i_was_only_pretending.jpg
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Literally fanfic-tier character.
>but muh Sakamoto
>but muh sexy design
>hurr durr Evangelion is fanfic-tier anyway
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What about Izayoi?
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Mahouka was hilarious and I'd welcome a second season with open arms. What will Onii-sama do next to impress us all?
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>>121912437
He died. A Mary Sue can not lose, ever. If a Mary Sue does die, he will certainly come back from the dead and still win.
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>>121912335
And it only works because of semantics, which isn't completely credible because all it takes for their world powered by real-life politics to plunge into hell is when all the mages go fuck you to politics.
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>>121907782
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
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>>121912516
But they won't. That's the whole thing.
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>>121912178
>magic school
>caste system (MC may or may not be part of multiple castes, depends on the setting and castes)
>MC is ostracized/supposedly low tier at the beginning
>MC is comparatively overpowered or super broken (if the magic system is based off of exclusive powers, like elements, then the MC will usually have all of them)
If it gets three and you've probably got a Mahouka cash-in.

Of course the harem is a given.
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>>121912504
It was also made pretty clear that he was a megalomaniac asshole who fucking deserved it.
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>>121912437
Have you not seen the excellent swimming tutorial? Is that how a mary sue is? if that's the case, I wouldn't mind more.
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>>121911909
Hopefully that artist comes back on a new manga soon, he made the best tits in Jump.
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>>121912623
Im not arguing about his character, im merely stating that he is not eligible for mary sue status since he lost in the end.
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Dark Schneider is the only correct answer, the author doesn't even pretend that the manga isn't just an excuse to make DS look awesome.
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>>121912540
Which is really unusual. I mean hell, we have fucking ISIS and all those extremists who actually pose some semblance of threat without magic. But Mahouka's version of extremism feels like a worthless piece of shit in comparison.
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>>121912688
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.

A Mary Sue always has to be in the right or morally superior, by the end of the series it was pretty obvious that Light was way into the wrong side of the spectrum.
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>>121907782
I bet that bitch will die at the end of novel,
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>>121912693
Bullshit, the author tries his best not to make DS look awesome and tries repeatedly to kill DS but DS is just to manly to be ruled by a pen.
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>>121912686
They look like an upside down butt.
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>>121906152
Never seen this show, but if they made him a huge muscley, juicy, early Jojo-ass manly man instead of this child looking faggot, would the series have been better?
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>>121909994
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>>121912796


Is this even one of those series? Where people who aren't the bad guys die? Didn't really seem like it though I am an anime only fag.
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>>121911601
any other mangas that are like zhan long remonster adn danmachi? I fucking love danmachi.
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>>121912749
It's not politics that controls the magic, it's magic that controls the politics. Of course all the terrorists in Mahouka are not in the inner circle and don't realize this.
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>>121906537
imouto witch best witch
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>>121912930
That bitch is really the big bad guy of mahouka.everyone who read the novel will agree with me.
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>>121912920
It certainly be more hilarious and make it harder for people to self-insert.

He'd still be bland and boring because of the writing, but if he did JoJo poses, exaggerated reaction faces and manly voice acting then it'd be more tolerable.
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>>121912967
There's no way that magicians haven't used their political might to absorb more territory and there hasn't been any major acts of terror in this setting.
That's fucking impossible.
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>>121913076
she's the one cock blocking the main guy, and if she never dies, main guy will never get to fuck any other woman. Biggest evil ever.
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>>121906004
Tatsuya from Mahouka.
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>>121911928
I remembered that spongebob scen man
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>>121913135
All the powerful ones are of strong families that are active both publicly and otherwise with the government/military. Again, that's the whole reason why politics is a thing, since the powerful are already benefiting from the status quo and are too powerful to be challenged by those who were not believed important enough to be let in on the upper echelons.

Then there's Onii-Sama who completely defies everything about the entire power structure and theories about magic.
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>>121913076
I would love it if someone everyone starts hating her.
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The fun part about Mahouka is that the ride never ends. When you think you unraveled the secret behind the MC's strength there always comes a next layer.
In the beginning I thought he had some kind of index like power. The next thing you know he's also part of the most feared clan of magicians in Japan. But then he is a genuis technician who runs a major company. If that is not enough he is suddenly the member of a secret special ops team. That's a already a nice mix but at the end of the day the author knew that this is not enough and made Tatsuya a strategic-level magician.
You see, a high-school student who's also a secret government agent would be a rather boring premise but the many things Tatsuya is makes it fun to read.
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>>121913298
At his point it's like the author has a dartboard of cool professions and powers and just throws a dart to choose what Tatsuya is next.
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>>121911256

Wins all the time != Perfect in every way

And besides, it's fun to see how he pulls victory from his ass. It's than just power level bullshit like a Mary Sue
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>>121913147
She needs to be locked in a cage and raped by faceless old men.
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>>121913274
I honestly don't know what I want more in the series: the complete collapse of the status quo or Tatsuya's demise.
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>>121913369
It's why I start loving characters like Morisaki, Shippou, Chiaki, Masaki and George. They just want to punch his know it all attitude someday.
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>>121913440
Code Geass ending, he gets killed by Suzaku.
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>>121913488
What about death by truck?
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>>121913369

I disagree. The fun part about this mix of cool powers and professions is that all of them seem to have been thought out from the very beginning of the story.
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pic related?
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>>121913544
That's only for killing waifus or when the MC pushes someone out of the way.
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>>121913544
Truck are nothing to him
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>>121913594
It's stupid how Tatsuya has to be above everyone at everything. Even when explaining things like ancient magic to Mikihiko who is an ancient magic prodigy, he's just too much everywhere every time. I find him very condescending personally.
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>>121913544
Sadly he just decomposes them from a mile away.
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Alright, the guy going through and saying that tatsuya is being held back by the experiment by his mother is completely wrong.

Here's how this shit works:
In their universe, magic exists in three parts Destruction, transformation, and reassembly. All magic is derived from this basic concept of destructing something transforming it and reassembling it. Tatsuya, born into one of the strongest magic users in the country if not the world, could only "destroy" and "reassemble". This is why he is looked down as a failure of a mage, because while he can do these things RIDICULOUSLY WELL (destroying spells, destroying islands, healing himself from lethal wounds in milliseconds) he couldn't do any "real" magic. So his mother, who was born with the innate magic talent of being able to mess with peoples brain, desides to perform an experiment on him to grant him magic powers. He has the area of his brain that processes extreme emotions, like love and hate, transformed into an artificial magic calculating area, essentially a computer within his computer. This computer's sole function is to do the transformation aspect that was missing from his magic. It allows him to perform incredibly low level magic, but it does let him perform it. He amplifies his magic using his genius CAD skills.

Had his family not been embarassed by his existence and set him on the path of being his sister's bodyguard, he wouldn't be anywhere near as OP as he looks. He would probably be an even bigger name inventor, and would probably still be a strategic class mage, but while his exploits on the battlefield would be less, he could probably blow even bigger shit up and have weapons no one else could even come close to.
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>>121911256
they took a lot of it out of the anime, but in the LNs, he does a lot more research and investigation so he can properly Batman the ever-living shit out of whoever he's up against.

As opposed to, you know, Kirito.
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>>121913727
>BUT IN THE LNs

How much time is invested in this study? Chapters? Paragraphs? A single line saying "I looked this shit up"?
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>>121912504
Not necessarily true. In one of the world of warcraft books, a shitty author added in an orc that was an extreme mary sue. He singlehandedly took down legions of demons by himself, at one point he held a strategic position for several hours against an army and when backup arrived they saw him standing among thousands of dead bodies.

He eventually died because an evil god was trying to come through a portal and destroy the world, so he beat his way through several more demons, jumped in and attacked the literal god, injuring him in the process and surprising him long enough for the portal to close on him.

Richard Knaak was the worst writer in history
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>>121913865
>injuring him in the process and surprising him long enough for the portal to close on him.
See that's the thing, a mary sue can't lose and if they do they also win in some sort of way.

They can never really suffer a total defeat or complete loss.
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>>121913865
You didnt say he actually died though, just that the portal closed. If he is a mary sue he is either still battling the demon or biding his time until the portal reopens.
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>>121913844
>using length of writing as measurement of time
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>control + F
>Shinji
>0 finds


GG /a/
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>>121913949
One of the characters looked up as the portal was closing and saw the guy's body impaled on the god's sword, so he did end up dying. I agree with the guy above you though that he still kind of won since the god was distracted for long enough to not make it through the portal in time
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Why's Mari blushing around onii-sama when she already has a boyfriend?

Fucking slut.
Never trust women.
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>>121913988
I cant even count the number of mary sues that have been impaled, being impaled means nothing to a mary sue.
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>>121913949
A mary sue can die, it's just like I said here >>121913925
Even if they die they will also win in some sort of way.

Like they die killing the final boss or sacrifice themselves to save the world and be remembered throughout the ages as a hero or whatever.
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>>121913961
>Doesn't answer and has to be a literal knucklechild

I'm sorry. How much did the author elaborate into these studies?
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>>121913488
>Code Geass ending, he gets killed by Suzaku.
Except in that series it was part of his plan. In Mahouka, if that happened, it would have a different meaning (since Tatsuya is rather shitty).
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>>121914055
Different anon, didn't read the LN.
But I'm just saying, how would the length of writing be a good measurement of time.
Like
>I checked my computer to research all facts, then I had spies to analyze him everytime he's in or out of his house. While, I inputted cameras all of his favorite stores, buildings, shops. And calling in the Great God of Zeus to see him through my Scrying orb.

or
>I researched that shit for 3 years.
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>>121914049
I never said they couldnt die. I said if they died, they would come back from the dead, or they were never really dead, just pretending.

Its like the omnipotent argument. If a omnipotent god can be defeated, then they were never omnipotent to begin with. A mary sue that dies, was never a mary sue to begin with.
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>>121914204
>>121914055
And I'm an idiot who didn't read the full post. My bad.
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>>121914204
What I meant was if the writer was a lazy piece of shit like the second line you posted or actually put effort into his work like the first line.
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