Fucking yuri sisters.

>Yuri incest: the romcom

Why hasn't this been done?

>>121810742
I want to cum inside them both

>>121810742
>Fucking yuri sisters
Yes, please.

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>>121810916

>>121810918
>3DPD

>>121810742
If both of them have boyfriends why do they stil advocate being touched up by Araragi? Why haven't their boyfriends found out and come to beat up Araragi?

>>121811112

I mean, I guess what I meant by >>121810855 is that I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to, you know, monetize the idea more than something that small-scale.

>>121811075
In the LN they made up the boyfriends to make Koyomi jealous. They left it somewhat ambiguous in the show.

>>121811200
>In the LN they made up the boyfriends to make Koyomi jealous.
Ah right, that makes more sense then, did it work? and did they tell Araragi it was a ruse?

>>121811192
Because of censorship would be my best guess.

>>121811268

...because censorship stopped OreImo and Sakura Trick from happening.

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>>121810742
>Fucking yuri sisters
I know someone who does...

Yandere yuri incest is the purest form of love.

>>121810742
You said it.

>>121811265
nope.

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>>121810742
You've got to get the full picture mate! Here you go.

Speaking of Yuri, I'm watching to commentary of Bakemonogatari right now. I'm listening to Nadeko's voice on the commentary, and realizing, she actually sounds really sexy and cute. Also DJ Nadeko is a rapper.

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>>121810742
Read that as fucking your sisters.

>>121810742
>DeadFish
Kill yourself.

>>121810742
They're not even real sisters.

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Does Citrus count, or no?

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>>121810742
>Decide to stay out all night to get laid by your girlfriend for the first time.
>Come home.
>Both your sisters are naked after having hot wild little girl sex without you.
Life is all about choices, gentlemen. Make yours well.

>>121813052
Not him but there aren't a lot of options for Nise you know.

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>>121817026
They could have at least texted him or something.
"Nii-chan, I'm feeling better and Tsukihi and I are going to fuck each others brains out. Want to cum?"

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>>121817144
Nise commentaries when?
>mfw I finish learning moon before anyone does it.

>>121813052
Fuck you I'll watch what I want.

>>121812825
Why were they cuddling naked anyway? Never understood that, maybe I'm just dense.

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>>121817512
Knowing the Araragi's, it was probably an attempt to reach out to each others genitals. I'm surprised Nadeko wasn't there too. She's always with them in the Doujins. I love how she refers to herself in 3rd person. I know its what young people do in Japan but it just makes them sound like a Pokemon.

>>121811302
don't forget KissxSis

>>121817614
>I know its what young people do in Japan but it just makes them sound like a Pokemon.
They can't name themselves as "me" or "I" without sounding disrespectful, same with adressing someone else.

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>>121817752
Shit, that's intense. Thanks for the info anon.

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>>121810742
Don't forget about these Yuri "Sisters"

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>>121818284
>>121817881
>>121817614
>>121814982
>>121812825
>>121810742

>>121810742
>Both girls have boyfriends
>Both of them are carbon copies of arararararagi
Being ararararararararararagi's imouto is suffering.

>>121818284
man hanekawa is fat

>>121818760
She's got to keep her health so she has a huge ass and titties.

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How you know when you're a manlet.

>>121817614
google returns nothing

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>>121819240
He's alright by Nip standards

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>>121818760
She has the big fat cat tats.

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>>121819240
He make sup for it.

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>>121817421
Why is Kanbaru walking Ararararargi's intestines home gently?

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>>121817354
That would be worse. He would be forced to say no and then regret it for the rest of his life.

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>>121819418
If you want a hot bitch, you better be prepared to fight the the death with her overpowered lesbian friends.

>>121819476
I'm sure he regrets plenty of things.
What's one more?

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>>121819241
Mou Ichido! FireSisters

>>121818284
I don't remember this scene from Nekomonogatari.

>>121819813
Neko shiro? It's in there.

>>121817026
Too bad all he got to do was walk her home, gently.

>>121819857
I remember Hanekawa having a sleepover but I don't remember Senjougahara snuggling in Hanekawa's boobs. Hanekawa only slept over one night, right? Couldn't have been then.

>>121819967
Go and watch it again faglord.

>>121817752
Of course they name themselves. Using their name is just cutesy. There are also polite words for you.

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So, the big question.

Senjougahara use Araragi to forget her former love, assuming that love was Kaiki, or I'm completely wrong?

>>121820171
Pretty much completely wrong. She forgot about Kaiki but it was because of her love of Araragi, not the other way around.
People seem to not understand just how much Hitagi loves Koyomi. She loves him way more than he does her. She turned her whole life around because she wanted to be with him and was ready to sacrifice herself for him.
You might say that he was willing to sacrifice himself for her but it's really not the same because he seems to do that for just about anyone.

Don't get me wrong, he loves her too, I don't want to sound like a delusional batfag here but I would say his attention is a lot more split than hers.

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>>121820381
Lemme see if I get the idea.

>Gahara loves Kaiki because she can fell in love with anyone who try to save her
>Kaiki disappear but Gahara still loves him
>Gahara meets Araragi and he finally save her, Gahara fell in love with him, the true form of love and she understand her love for Kaiki was bullshit coming from a little girl.

About the second part of your post about the love of Gahara for him, I must say you're right, sometimes I hate araragi for being so inconsistent with her and focus on other girls, but that is his nature.
Anyways AraragiXHitagi is like the best couple ever seen but he needs to focus on her a little bit more.

Also, another doubt. I know monogatari is already finished, in the end Araragi stay with Gahara forever?, and what's the deal with Koyomi getting killed and Gahara trying to revive him?.

>>121820171
She "used" the crab god to lift all the emotional burden off her metaphorical shoulders, which also took away her weight and made her devoid of most emotion. Araragi asked her out after she got her emotions back and the first Mayoi encounter, and she took it seriously. She's just naturally a very intense type of person. There's none of the "He's just a substitute for the rapist" NTR bullshit.

It's a similar problem to Hanekawa's except Senjougahara ditched her emotions while Hanekawa suppressed them.

Hanekawa's also probably a borderline sociopath anyway given her inability to taste/smell, hence her oddities being psychotic and violent avatars.

>>121820693
>Araragi asked her out
She asked him out though.

>>121820625
>in the end Araragi stay with Gahara forever?
No, he's with Shinobu forever because he's not human.

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>>121820625
Maybe. Thing about Kaiki and Hitagi's relationship is that we don't hear a lot about it.

What is really amusing is that we do get to hear the story from both sides and almost unanimously everyone believes the chronic liar and conman over the girl.

I think really we just want to believe it because it makes for a better story.

>>121820821
Are you trolling me right?

>>121820832
Yeah, the main problem is the lack of info about it, maybe is nisio who wants to keep us surrounded by fog.

If you take all seasons and info from the LN, we already know Gahara loves Kaiki in the past and she forget that, but in the end when everything comeback to her at the end of Mayoi arc she remembered her old love for Kaiki but at that time she was in love with Araragi.
Also in Second Season looks like Kaiki really likes her, he doesn't even love her only likes her because she is an interesting person. Personally I hate that part of the story because seems like Gahara is NTR'd Araragi with the interactions between her and Kaiki, something like "I use to love you at some point and I still remember that".

>>121821098
Hes not trolling, the two promised to die together and they are both immortal. Re watch Nise.

>>121821317
Araragi
a) is not immortal and
b) promises a lot of things.

>>121821266
The answer to that is on Bee arc, exactly at the moment when Gahara and Araragi are talking with Kaiki to leave the city, Araragi finally realized that she really loved Kaiki at some point and Gahara never says "I never loved him" so is implicated she used to love Kaiki.
Also remember she use that problem to bring Araragi to her house and have sex with him, that only tells you the way she thought at that time, and that was "Hey, Araragi is jealous because I use to love Kaiki so I let him cum inside of me this night in exchange".

>>121821429
What the fuck, someone just deleted the post.

>>121821098
How the fuck is that NTR?

Having residual feelings for someone you were somewhat intimate with isn't NTR, it's being human.

>>121821463
Read >>121821429

>>121821429
I feel like you don't need to jump through a lot of hoops to get a teenage boy to fuck a cute teenage girl.

>>121811265
What's the point in telling him it was a ruse when he was completely ignoring them to begin with?

>>121821463
If a girl ever had a lewd feeling or thought at any time in her life towards someone, even if it was before she met the MC, it's NTR.

>>121811200
This is a bullshit claim, DO NOT believe it.

This happened in a fucking H-Doujin.

>>121821569
I don't understand what that post has to do with mine.

In the H-Doujin the fire sisters were each other's boyfriend.

>>121821626
Nigga, is Gahara the girl who never forget her past. She cleary use sex as an exchange to make Araragi forget the matter about her love for Kaiki.

>>121821738
That explain why I said the situation was full of NTR.

>>121811075
If you recall the backstory of the Fire Sisters, Araragi was pretty notorious back in middle school for being some sort of badass vigilante helper. Karen and Tsukihi do the Fire Sisters of justice routine to emulate him. If the boyfriends are real, they would be very intimidated at the prospect of meeting with the police parents of the Fire Sisters and their legendary predecessor, Koyomi Araragi, let alone fight/threaten him.

Besides, the only way they'd know is if they tell the boyfriends. If they /are/ real, then they'd quickly realise how they're just substitutes for Araragi and probably break up or something. Hanekawa's reaction to the "Because he's like Nii-chan" line would be a normal person's reaction.

>>121821797
No I'm pretty sure she slept with him because she loves him and has wanted to sleep with him ever since they started dating. But she had to deal with her past issues before taking that step.

>>121821832
Crab loving Kaiki in the past is not NTR.

I don't think you know what NTR is.

>>121821797
That's odd because Kaiki claimed she too easily forgot her past.

>>121821841
I admit you're 50% right only in this part " I'm pretty sure she slept with him because she loves him and has wanted to sleep with him ever since they started dating".
BUT, the other 50% is about to make Araragi forget the situation with Kaiki.

>>121819813
IIRC, it's when Hanakawa and Hitagi have their sleepover.

>>121821895
This anon get it >>121821658, why is so hard to understand to you?, I think you only wants to don't believe what really happens between Gahara and Kaiki.

>>121821969
Okay that's not how memories work and if she wanted to she could have denied everything in the first place. If anything she was placing everything out in the open to test if Araragi would still love her.

>>121821969
But Crab was planning on sleeping with Araragi that night before he even met Kaiki. Earlier in the episode she even remarks that she's "Not going to let him sleep tonight." or something along those lines.

>>121821405
a) We don't actually know how fast/slowly he ages yet, but the circumstantial evidence is that he's mostly immortal. Also, Shinobu pretty much flat-out said that she would turn him into a full vampire before she'd ever let him die, so it's mostly acedemic.

b) He's pretty good about keeping those promises.

>>121822017
>and if she wanted to she could have denied everything in the first place

But she don't do it, hat confirms my thoughts about it. If there is nothing to hide why she doesn't even negate all that shit.

>>121811200
This post is also made up.

>>121822056
>Hey, I used to love him
>What the fuck is this bitch doing in front of me
>Hey, don't be jealous lets go and have sex

How do you feel if a girl do that to you?, that's why araragi acts "weird" in that scene.

>>121820693
>borderline sociopath
Textbook sociopath. Hanekawa is fucked up. Well, was. Presumably she's getting better (I'm still in the middle of second season).

>>121822193
I have no idea what it is you're saying.

>>121822291
If you don't like her by the end of neko shiro you wont later on either.
And you also have shit taste.

>>121822429
Calm your tits, anon. Where on Earth would you get the idea that I don't like her?

I stopped watching and started reading in the middle of Nadeko Medusa.

>>121822616
I don't understand. You like a psychopath?

>>121822655
Hey, lots of people say they like Senjougahara, don't they?

Anyway she's an interesting character. They all are. Reading NM, I've even grown to like Nadeko, which I didn't think was likely.

>>121822429
Hanekawa is basically a sociopathic super-nice mary sue which is not too common in any medium, I think. Probably one of my favorite characters.

But by the time of Koi she's lost most of the sociopathic side.

>>121822729
Crab is not a psychopath. The only character who is a psychopath is snake, and possibly Gaen.

I should add that she's also an inversion of the usual sociopath trope. For some reason sociopaths in anime are always edgelords with murderous tendencies. Usually their families got killed in front of them or some shit.

Hanekawa's situation is a little more believable. Her reaction to her situation, to try to become normal by internalizing lots of books, is also more believable.

>>121822983
Didn't she pretty much admit to being a psychopath a couple of times?

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Devil did nothing wrong.

>>121823432
When?

>>121823432
Not that anon, but I don't think she was ever a psychopath, just really paranoid and antagonistic.

She says stuff like that to Araragi and seems super intimidating to him, but when you see her through Kaiki's eyes you get the impression of a teenager with low self-confidence who acts really defensively.

>>121811075
>boyfriends found out and come to beat up Araragi?
you'll only find this behaviour in uncultured possessive cunts and Americans

>>121823447
>Devil did nothing wrong.
She did nothing at all.

She goes around being a fraud, and accidentally help people because the belief that they are being helped was enough to trigger the necessary magic to help minor issues of those she made contact with. Kaiki became a fraud intentionally, because he knows what he is doing in bending reality. Devil became a fraud by accident and kept doing it because she can't stop; dead people can't change what they are.

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Is it physically possible for an anime to have finer girls than monogatari?

>>121823848
For me it was lacking in the middle-aged category. But then Mamaragi showed up.

>>121823791
>and accidentally help people
Did we watch the same series? People's problems resolved themselves, she did jack shit for her customers.

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>>121824051
Yeah she was literally impossible to find, never read the messages left for her and the two that somehow did find her she told them to gtfo.

>>121819392
>being gay for raragi's stone hard 8 pack

>>121814982
Now I know why girls goes nuts over shoujo

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>>121823447
She never convinced Kanbaru to go all the way. She failed at life.

>>121824418
she teased the shit out of her, is that not a success?

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>>121824477
That is no success. Teasing Kanbaru is easy, she has very little self-worth so whenever anyone actually strikes back, she's basically defenseless.

She molested a guy just to convince him she was actually as perverted as she is.

If she had more confidence in herself. she would have been fine with Araragi's (superior) logic.

As such, teasing Kanbaru is easy mode.

>>121823704
>Not that anon, but I don't think she was ever a psychopath, just really paranoid and antagonistic.

Isn't that kind of splitting hairs.

From baka-tsuki:

“If you prefer, you can think of it as being unfortunate enough to have caught the eye of an easily love-struck fairy tale maiden who is starved for love and will do anything for anyone who is even slightly kind to her.”

“...I see.”

“You were unlucky. You should curse your normal actions.”

Does she not even hesitate to put herself down?

And after having all that said to me...

Even that...

...God, I’m lame.

I’m just pathetic.

“And Araragi-kun, now that I have said all that...”

“What?”

“If you refuse me, I will kill you and then run away.”

“That’s just a normal murder! You need to die too!”

“That’s just how normally serious I am.”

If that's not a psychopath, I don't know what is.

>>121824566
She's not psychopathic. She's talking shit without taking into account the feelings of others. Her anti-social behavior came and went relatively quickly, she was normal in middle school, cold during high school and has basically thawed right back out.

You don't just fall in and out of being a psychopath.

>>121824566
I remember that part. Their banter is always top-notch.

I don't think she's capable of following through with what she says. But through Araragi's eyes it all seems believable and she seems very intimidating, and Shaft translates that very well to the anime.

Anyway, you're probably right in the sense that she had psychopathic tendencies right after her family split up (Kaiki says she's "become boring" because she threatened to kill him instead of immediately taking action like she would have back then).

But like >>121824707 says, I wouldn't call her a psychopath because her psychopathic behavior stemmed from desperately trying to protect herself rather than a fundamental aberration in her psychology.

But yeah, if you say that's splitting hairs then I won't strongly disagree.

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>>121823952
>implying

>>121827325
Gaen is glorious, but more of an 'oneesan' to me. I guess she's technically middle-aged.

>>121827325
she is the around the same age as kaiki, older than him actually If I remember correctly.

>>121827501
So probably late 30s to early 40s? You can never tell how old asian women are, even outside of 3DPD.

>>121818284
If Hitagi's character arc is ever resolved, it will be with her ditching Araragi for Cat.

>>121819240
koyomis pose is killing me holy shit

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>>121823447
Fuck whoever hated on Hana. It's the best Monogatari since Nise, and Numachi has character on par with Kaiki and Shinobu.

Also that fucking OST.

>>121828195
Whoa there, I liked Hana but lets not go overboard. Numachi is basically just Kanbaru with a bit of Araragi and Kaiki thrown in for good measure.

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>tfw no fire sister to knock up

Also why were they so uppity when Koyomi saw them in their uderwear

>>121828195
whats so good about shinobus character again?

>>121828246
You wot? Numachi is opposite to Kanbaru on almost everything. That's also why Kanbaru had so much respect/admiration for her, because Kanbaru hated herself.

>>121828277
Her relationship with Araragi is one of the largest driving forces in the series, and a major component to many of it's themes. Araragi's relationship with Shinobu is essentially his relationship with the supernatural.

>>121828328
No see, you've gotten yourself mixed up. Numachi is what Kanbaru could have been.
It's not that they're opposite, it's that they're the same with just small differences in circumstance and the like.

Everyone knows Kanbaru's direct opposite is Gaen.

>>121828380
Care to substantiate your claims?

>>121828246
Araragi is basically Kanbaru with a bit of Hitagi and Oshino thrown in for good measure. Also Doraemon and Stone Cold Steve Austin.

>>121828250
If you pause, while they're running around screaming, you can see that they're smiling.

>>121828328
Numachi is almost like Kanbaru's own kaii, like Black Hanekawa to Hanekawa or Ougi to Araragi . Also she's a cute.

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>>121828464
I have you covered anon.

Maybe they thought they were finally getting the AraraD

>>121828501
Hana is basically the Citizen Kane of Monogatary.

>>121828464
>>121828510
that makes it even stranger

>>121810742
The fire sisters ruined were a mistake.

>>121828561
Or the Araragi siblings like to play around and tease each other about/with nudity.

>>121828501
Kanbaru already has (had) a kaii.

>>121828536
Honestly, it's one of my favorite arcs despite being so inactive (kind of fits with the theme, eh?). The themes that are associated with coming to a crossroads in life are really significant but not pretentious, and the takeaway messages are all presented elegantly.

>>121824051
>Did we watch the same series? People's problems resolved themselves, she did jack shit for her customers.
Yes, they got resolved. And yes, she did nothing at all. I said that from the beginning.
It's just that due to the nature of the Monogatari world, her very act of pretending to help, did help. This is how she managed to gather all the rainy devil parts; she didn't deliberately grab them, she just say she would take care of it and they just end up on her spontaneously. Belief is powerful enough to make the fake, real.

That's why I say she accidentally help people. By saying she will help, it triggers the magic that fix minor issues, like a magical placebo effect. This is how she gathered the Rainy Devil parts with no training in the Occult.

>>121828421
To which thing specifically? The Gaen thing is just that Gaen is a sandpaper bitch who knows everything and can't make friends and has to inspire fear and blackmail people to get what she wants.

Kanbaru is genuinely personable who makes friends easily and while not as quick on the uptake is still able to at least get shit done without having to resort to blackmail.

As to the other thing.

>>121828501 more accurately explained it than I could. That's basically how I was trying to explain my point.

>>121828608
Her kaii is actually her mother's kaii. . I always think of it as the rainy devil and numachi represent two polar opposite lifestyles: violently pursuing your emotional urges or passively satisfying your existence by running from your problems. Or something like that.

>>121828561
>that makes it even stranger
Bee had already been seen walking around topless in front of Araragi without a care, so by this point you should know that they are just joking around.

>>121828682
Not that anon, but I think he took issue with comparing Gaen and Kanbaru as thematic opposites. It's true that they oppose each other in a lot of ways including what you described, but that opposition isn't set up to be very important to the narrative the way Kanbaru and Numachi are set up (which is not as opposites, in my opinion).

>>121828736
just odd that they would react to it so severely, I'd expect them to be indifferent about it

>>121828839
>they are just joking around

>>121828627
Hana wasn't really "inactive" if you actually thought about the things that were being said and by whom. The problem is that too many Monogatari watchers cannot into subtext whatsoever and just cry on /a/ about "WHY ARE THEY JUST TALKING THE WHOLE TIME BAWW".

Hana was a very introverted and reflective story. It was Kanbaru's struggle against her mother, ghosts (literal and metaphorical) of her past, and nihilism. Of course there wouldn't be much "happening" in a story about the past.

>>121828822
Oh thematically everyone knows Gaen and Hanekawa are the parallels.

I think I might need to head to bed in a bit because I'm a fucking idiot.

Also may aswell stick my foot in my mouth more but I think Kanbaru and Oshino are parallels in that they're both cheery on the outside and dark as fuck on the inside.

I think in the end if you remove Oshino's influence in regards to oddities that affected Hanekawa and Araragi, I'd put Araragi as the Yozuru of the group given they're both basically in it for the self-satisfaction.

>>121828855
Agreed completely. I would frame it as: it probably has the most shit going on in terms of ideas being exchanged and the least in terms of decisions actually being made. Which is exactly what a story about being stuck at a crossroads should be like, imo.

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>>121828853
I don't remember what they were talking about just fter that scene?

to let their doll alone?

maybe they really did just want his attention

>>121828897
Araragi - Yozuru makes a lot of sense, also because they both act without thinking and have a strong sense of justice.

It feels like, with Tsuki, Araragi is moving away from Yozuru's lifestyle, though I can't see him ever becoming as impassive as Oshino.

>>121823738
eurocuck detected

>>121829014
If Hana is anything to go by, he sorta actually came into his own as an Oshino type.

All he did was hand out good advice and let Kanbaru basically figure out her shit by herself but then by that same token, everyone who met Oshino and goes on to do exorcist-like stuff basically takes up the "You can only save yourself, I can only lend a hand" thing.

Is Kimi to Nadeko 3 out yet?

>>121828897
>Kanbaru and Oshino are parallels in that they're both cheery on the outside and dark as fuck on the inside.

One great thing about hana was that beforehand Kanbaru just seemed like a perverted genki airhead. Then the introductory lines in the light novel include this:

>I understand how nice it is to live without disliking someone, what blessing it is to live without hating anyone.
>I understand without being told.
>But if I could do that it would be easy.
>Until now I have disliked many people, and hated many others -- as a matter of fact, I don't even know if I could publicly declare that in this world somebody whom I have never hated exists.

and

>I don't think of myself as a nice person.
>I have seen my dark side, to death.
>I have seen it, to a killing extent.
>......I don't understand it well because I am not good at thinking things, in other words, frankly speaking, I am an idiot, but how do people deal with that?
>I don't think most of the people living in this world love themselves and believe they got the greatest personality ever -- be it their personality, be it life itself, be it anything, they should be unsatisfied with something about themselves, they should hate something about themselves, and fall prey to self-loathing.
>They should hate themselves at every little thing.

>>121829072
Yeah, he definitely seems to have grown in that direction. I won't make any conclusions about his development until the LNs are translated / anime is finished, which could be fucking never.

>>121828822
>>121828682
>Numachi is a solo defensive player, Kanbaru is an offensive team player
>Kanbaru was not talented, and had to work hard to become good at sports. Numachi was basically a prodigy, and tried to hold herself back to the other players' level
>Kanbaru hated those more fortunate than her, Numachi was hated for being more fortunate than others
>Kanbaru is energetic and emotional, Numachi is slow and intellectual
>Kanbaru made other athletes suffer unfortunate disabling injuries, Numachi suffered an unfortunate injury
>Kanbaru started playing basketball to escape her sinful past in Track, Numachi started playing basketball because she wanted to face a greater challenge

This isn't even half of them, the opposites between them keep increasing as Hana details how they've lived beyond their sports lives, as well as their ideologies. Kanbaru didn't have talent, she never could have been Numachi. When she was saying she could have been the same she was most likely referring to Numachi committing suicide.

>>121829213
Yeah, I think you're definitely right about them being set up as opposites back in the day. But now that neither of them are athletes, Numachi has settled into a "life"-style of passivity and Kanbaru doesn't know who the fuck she wants to be. Numachi is there as an option: Kanbaru could become something similar to the opposite of who she was before, and it's enticing because she dislikes herself so much. Among other things, I think Hana is about Kanbaru rejecting that idea.

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>tfw Koyomi ruined Tsukihi because of his plebeian short hair fetish

I want to hug Ougi

>>121829506
tsukihi is great regardless of hairstyle

>>121829313
That isn't really contradictory to her being opposite to Kanbaru though. Numachi represented a shitload of things, that's part of what made her such a great character.

Kanbaru had a choice to become like Numachi yes, which most likely entailed committing suicide. (A final act of guilt for her actions with the monkey's paw, said guilt being yet another thing that Numachi represented) but it's because they weren't the same that said choice existed in the first place.

>>121829566
Single giant braid tsukihi worst though

>>121829568
You're right, it's not contradictory to her being Kanbaru's opposite, and I think we mostly agree. I just have a minor caveat that, after living her life the way she has up until now, Kanbaru isn't exactly the offensive team player who's driven by emotions that she used to be. She thinks that maybe she was been living life the wrong way. After all, her old, emotionally-driven self ended up with a demon on her arm and she ended up trying to kill Araragi.

She tries to be like her old self - for example, she slaps Numachi during their first meeting based on what she thinks she should do, but in the end she decides to put off the issue.

I don't think "become like" was meant is such a literal sense. It just meant changing her approach to life based on Numachi's advice. Maybe eventually leading to suicide, but probably not immediately. I don't think Kanbaru was ever thinking about suicide in hana, she was just looking for how to proceed in life.

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>>121830304
still fine though

>>121829506
>>tfw Koyomi ruined Tsukihi because of his plebeian short hair fetish
She would grow her hair long again in a few weeks. Regen hair for the win.

>>121829014
Acting without thinking and a strong sense of justice is actually more like Bee, but I think I've already gone into that in the past.

>>121830457
Kanbaru was still very emotionally driven in Hana, in fact her emotions (especially guilt) were the main conflict she dealt with through the story.

The reason Numachi's story (and suicide) was so impactful to Kanbaru was because Numachi basically suffered the exact same thing that Kanbaru inflicted on several others using the monkey paw. Kanbaru felt indirectly responsible for the misfortunes that befell her.

In her story, Numachi was a prodigy, gifted in almost every category, and had her entire life fall apart when she received a single injury. Even in spite of that, she does not become someone that harms others like Kanbaru did, she finds positivity in her situation with a method that helps others. Kanbaru sees Numachi as a better person than she could ever be, and for that reason the fate that eventually drove her to suicide (all caused by a sports injury) horrifies her.

It's entirely possible that Numachi the ghost isn't an accurate reflection of the actual living Numachi, but instead a manifestation of Kanbaru's image of her (which falls in line with how Kaii function in general) and the personification of Kanbaru's depression. As Kanbaru's guilt becomes more severe, Numachi becomes a greater person and her arguments for nihilism (Kanbaru's feelings that her life is meaningless) become more convincing. Note that first (and in life) Numachi is just a rival (and equal) in basketball, however as a ghost she suddenly becomes a tortured prodigy who had tremendous unfulfilled potential, then after that becomes a saint-like figure that helps others in a self-sacrificing manner. What's more, all of the aspects Numachi was great in were in categories where Kanbaru felt shortcomings in herself.

Numachi's story probably had some truth in it, as she did leave an actual ghost behind, but it was most likely colored largely by Kanbaru's feelings of inferiority and self-hatred.

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>>121831627
The most telling aspect of this is Numachi's ghost makes it sound like her story entirely branched off from being injured, while Higasa says over the phone that "It wasn't just her leg, her family was in shambles and she had a lot of circumstances to deal with." Karen also says that she did it just before graduating her new school, meaning she spent a significant amount of time at a school that she never bothered mentioning in her story. The ghost's story sounds inconsistent with the very realistic-sounding reports of Numachi's actual death given over the phone.

Numachi talked about two key things: nihilism and escapism. Nihilism being the belief that life has no meaning, and suicide being the ultimate act of escapism. Because of how deeply Numachi's ghost is linked to Kanaru's psyche, it probably wouldn't be entirely incorrect to say she was effectively trying to convince Kanbaru to kill herself from the very beginning.

>>121831650
It's actually pretty strange how many of the arcs in monogatari can be linked to suicide. The obvious Kizu and Araragi's self-sacrificing tedencies aside in Otori and Koi Nadeko's actions are self destructive and I see becoming a god as a from of suicide as you are removing yourself from the everyday world.

>>121831757
>It's actually pretty strange how many of the arcs in monogatari can be linked to suicide. The obvious Kizu and Araragi's self-sacrificing tedencies aside in Otori and Koi Nadeko's actions are self destructive and I see becoming a god as a from of suicide as you are removing yourself from the everyday world.
Don't forget Hanekawa. Haekawa's life began with her as a baby, watching her own mother's hanged corpse dangling over her crib. Hanekawa's birth mother, refusing to take responsibility for her unplanned daughter, was the reason Hanekawa didn't under what a "Family" was suppose to be.

>>121822291

>Sociopath
> tried to gain perfect personality to get along with parents that wanted to toss her out on the street in grade school

I think having a freak out is human when you've built up that amount t of stress and witnessed your mother abandon you by hanging herself over your bed when you were a child. It's not right to have a freak out and injure other people, but people have a breaking point. It's about as silly as equating Sakura from Fate as a school shooter who had mental illness from the outset.

Seriously, don't watch Neko White, read that shit.

>>121831892
And supposedly Karen almost committed suicide in middle school.

Suicide is a thing japs think about more than others it seems.

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>>121831948
I think the parallel is her actions are not driven by what is right but what she thinks people expect of her. She acts like she does simply to fit in which is what sociopaths do but she does have empathy and is not anti-social.

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>>121832002
Proper subs when?

>>121831956

Japs love killing themselves.
Suicide is part of their culture.

>>121828975
>let their doll alone?

Big Green, is that you?

>>121832063
Threadly reminder that the suicide rate in Japan is artificially inflated by the police having to do much less paperwork for a suicide than a murder and because life insurance companies can sometimes avoid paying out for a suicide.

>>121832255
Japan's police got to be the shittiest first world police force there is.

>>121832001

Nope, again, read Neko White, she hoped in the back of her mind that her parents might change if she tried to be the best daughter she could be, and that internally soured her when they didn't even bother.

She became the way she was because of how she was raised, not that she was that way from the beginning. For all intents and purposes, she raised herself.

But the key point was that she did that because she wanted to get along with them, not because it was "right". Same with giving Araragi the advice to date Senjougahara properly, that was entirely genuine, but with the caveat of her not being able to let go of her feelings.

People are never a one-way street, there is always a reason things turn out the way they do even if the person doesn't realize it themselves. That was primarily what Neko White was about, Hanekawa reflecting on her life and understanding her own motives and feelings in clarity.

>>121832413
Where in my post do I disagree with any of that? I just said some people think she's a sociopath because some of her actions are consistent with it but not all and you can't be part-sociopath.

>>121810742

...Is the best!
Also, Koyomi's mom inducted into the harem when? I would like to see her ara-ara Araragi's gf to prepare her for marriage :3

>>121832459

What I am getting at is that she can't really be a sociopath any more than Senjougahara, Nadeko, Tsukihi, or Shinobu are. Even Nadeko was shown to genuinely love her parents and care about other people when we got to the root of her issues.

So to sum it up, sociopath would probably be too strong a word to use here.

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>>121832658
I didn't say she was a psychopath, I said some people see her as one.
They are wrong.

Snake is most definitely a psychopath. Lack of empathy, remorse and extreme anti-social behavior.

Also not only her acts as the batshit crazy god but also her chronic lewdness beforehand could be attributed to disinhibited behavior.

Tsukihi and Gaen are the only other ones who may be but it's hard to tell because we don't really see their motivations enough.

>>121831650
Well, that's a pretty strong argument. I don't think the story of Hana revolves around suicide as much as you do. Kanbaru is certainly driven by feelings of self-hatred and guilt, and in the introduction she wonders how people are able to live their lives this way.

Obviously, one answer is suicide, which I agree is strongly linked to Numachi's ideal of 'running away.' However, that doesn't summarize her philosophy. More than running away, she argues that "time solves all problems." Or, "if you wait long enough, problems will solve themselves." Numachi taking the arm was a manifestation of this idea: Kanbaru never overcame her feelings of guilt, but the symbol of that guilt was eventually taken from her through no actions of her own.

She advocates that Kanbaru continues her life as an ordinary person, and never proposes that Kanbaru should become like her. There was never a feeling of "falling deeper into guilt and self-loathing" in Hana - that was the starting point and Hana is about how various paths present themselves.

>>121833209
I agree that nihilism is the best term to summarize Numachi's philosophy, but I don't think her brand of nihilism is that 'life has no meaning.' She says that she wants Kanbaru to have an ordinary life in her stead, because she could not have one.

Numachi's nihilism is a little more subtle, and I'm not sure exactly what it is. Off the top of my head, I think it's something like that she advocates a 'life without attachments to the past.' Kanbaru's existence isn't causing anyone to suffer, but her past actions had once caused suffering. She is still attached to her old sins, and Numachi believes there's no need for this.

In that sense there's a small parallel to Hanekawa's story - her problems would have been solved with time, but she took action instead of waiting. Her reward was some degree of self-actualization and some sexy tiger-striped hair, so pretty worth it in my book.

>>121833274
And to further clarify, I think that "problems are solved with time" is more central to Numachi's philosophy than escapism. Escapism, or "running from your problems," is about buying time and distance until they "cease to be problems anymore."

The part that her ghost doesn't remember is that, I think, there WERE problems she couldn't buy enough time to let them solve themselves. Maybe because they were omnipresent, like family issues and a disability. And so the "method" ended up becoming the "conclusion" and the part of her philosophy that failed is the part she doesn't remember.

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>>121819392

>>121817614
Reverse image search produces nothing. Any chance I can ask for the source?

>>121833595
I think the author is Takei Ooki

>>121824199
>>121824543
"This is what happens when you're /fit/ kids."
A lesson well learned.

>>121834825
If I get /fit/ will I also get a schoolgirl and loli harem?

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>>121828608
Not quite.
KanKan will probably create an oddity of her own at some point, the Gaen's a particularly good at doing this. I won't spoil anything else here.

>>121834846
Probably.

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>>121829506
>Implying

>>121833595
Take a look at:
>>121819556
They don't stop talking. Even when you're fucking them. Women.

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>>121829506
Imagine if you had a fetish. Maybe you do.
Then, most of the girls you know, start doing whatever this is around you.
also, Ode to Joy starts playing.

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>>121835040
Did he pop a boner while cutting Kanabru's hair?

>>121810742
>tfw you will never have two yuri sisters

>>121835167
How could he avoid it?

>>121834947
It's all her platinum weed smoking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uimCcRx00vw

>>121835184
I have two sisters. That's close enough right?

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>>121835214
Damn, I want to blaze it up with the fire sisters! They'd be so fucking fun stoned, I can tell.

>>121835280
>implying Karen wont knock you out for even suggesting it.

>>121835242
I only have one imouto. She recently told my family she was bi too.
So there could be like, half yuri sisters happening?

>>121835242
Have they Yuried yet? You have to be a good influence on them so that they'll be sure to do that.

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Why are everyone so interested in the worst sluts that already have boyfriends?
Why not go for red monkey butt?

>>121835363
Tomboys scares me.

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>>121835363
Red monkey butt has the allure of being forever out of everyone's reach.
Monkey is more pure than any other girl.

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>>121835363
>driven mad by 'dat ass'
They're more pure?

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>>121835426
>>121835429
OBJECTION!

>>121835429
I'm sorry, do you even know how to speak (or rather, write) in proper English?
Because I didn't understand shit from what you wrote.

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>>121835459
BY groping Araragi first she avoided being groped by him and managed to be the only unmolested gatari.
Prove me wrong.

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>>121835363
Do you mean Rainbow Monkey Butt?

>>121835502
>They[fire sisters] are more pure. Question?

>>121835363
What if she starts fisting me with her huge monkey hands?

>>121835533
Araragi also didn't molest Hitagi or Nadeko.

>>121835584
>Hitagi
Well he did her in the pooper. I'm not sure if that doesn't count.

>>121835533
He also refused to molest snake, Im pretty sure.

>>121835533
Hmm... there is something to what you're saying.
I guess he simply got used to seeing her naked too.
She's so impure that she becomes pure.

>>121835584
>"Plays Twister With Her"
>Fucks her on a timely basis.

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>>121835574
Then you thank your lucky stars anon.

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>>121835635
>willing to withstand critical butt hole damage for Kanbaru.
Kanbaru is love.
Kanbaru is life.

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>>121835634
>She's so impure that she becomes pure.
That's exactly right. Monkey is naked because that is her natural state. All she has is unrequited yuri love which is like the purest thing known to man.

I genuinely wonder... is incest an actual thing in Japan? As in socially accepted? Or frowned upon? Or just OK so long you keep it in the family?

>>121835573
>>>They[fire sisters] are more pure.
They aren't, Tsukihi even complained about being forced to have a hands-off relationship with her boyfriend, meaning she wants to be ravaged like a slut.

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The Monogatari is one of those series where I have been spoiled about each and every character, but I still don't know what happens in the actual anime.

>>121835737
Only in chinese cartoons anon.

>>121835771
Those damn koreans and their filthy chinese cartoons.

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>>121835766
WTF. Go watch it now and stop /a/ing yourself.

>>121835690
You Monkeys... you have very strange ways.

>>121818284
what minute was this?

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>>121835885

If I knew how to stop shitposting on /a/ and get to clearing my backlog, I would.

monkey best grill

>>121828975
>Karen's face in that frame

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>>121828975
>A middleschool girl carrying Ononoki home.
How much does Doll even weigh?
Also, butt butt.

>>121835953
If monkey is wrong I don't want to be right.

>>121836098
At least now we know she'll never get cavities. What a good brother Koyomi is.

>>121836174
Well she carried Koyomi on her shoulders and did fucking one legged squats while doing it.

>>121835953
>Hasn't watched the anime.
>Posts who he thinks is best grill.
>It's monkey.
I... I don't even know what to say.

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>>121836270
Good point.

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>>121836294

Only because I have a strong preference for tomboys. Crab is in second place.

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>>121836384
Gotta love exhibitionists too, right anon?

>>121836294
He has based taste is what. Monkey design>all other designs.
Nevermind her best personality.

>>121811038

Which, despite its name, has little in the way of candy and nothing in the way of boys.

>>121836270
Also at the end of Hitagi Crab he gained an extra 45kg, but before getting on her shoulders he claimed to weigh just 55 (I think it was).

I wonder if Nisio just forgot about that little detail. Or maybe Koyomi did.

>>121834947
she's saying that to Nadeko tho

and after that she says nadeko is the cutest right after herself

>>121837509
>gained an extra 45kg
What are you talking about. When did he gain 100 lb?

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PLATINUM

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>>121837608
Did you even watch the first season?

>>121837509
Maybe it was played as a joke and discarded.

>>121837775
>implying it was serious

>>121837423
I wasn't disappointed by that fact, but it definitely could have used more candy.

What's this shoe?
Image search is coming up blank and I'm on an app so I can't see filenames.

>>121838259
you're going to have to tell us what shoe you are talking about.

>>121838259
It's Boku no Sneakers.

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>>121838259
Shingeki no Ass

>>121838694
>>121838832
Epic, I tapped the e instead of the w.
Besides who knows they could be wearing shoes. OP's picture isn't clear.

>>121839070
Oh dear. Wouldn't want such an awful misunderstanding to go unchecked. Please see this post >>121812825

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>>121839148
Obviously anon meant what is the source of these shoes.
The answer is monkey's perfect feet.

>>121839224
I don't remember if we get many shots of monkey's perfect feet in the show itself. Regardless, it's not enough.

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>>121839298
That's why we have fan art.

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>>121839298
I think this is the only real feet shot.

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>>121839440
And this.

>>121839440
>>121839462

They're pretty best.

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>>121839532
There was also this in Hana.

Where the fuck did RRRG come from at the end of Neko: Shiro and why did he look like such a badass?

>>121839578
Explained in Owarimonogatari vol. 2 .

>>121839578
He was off on monkey business.

>>121839625
>>121839640
Time to read. I honestly thought it was something Mayoi or Shinobu time related.

>>121811075
Because he's a badass?

>>121839747
If you can read moon. I don't think it's translated yet.

>>121824418

I don't remember this.

>>121840972
That's a shame, it was pretty important to the entire arc.

>>121840972
>>121841025
It's not canon, they never knew each other that well. It's sort of a 'what-if' scenario from the OP.

>>121841025

It happen in Hanamonogatari?

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>>121841081
Yeah the OP. I'm just taking the piss.

>>121841070
I know. Doesn't mean we can't dream.

>>121841129

I don't give a fuck about what you say, it just that for some reason I can't remember seeing it.

>>121841205
Well, he's telling the truth.
>>121841129
>I know. Doesn't mean we can't dream.
tfw it would've made a great story

>>121841205
It's on screen for about 2-3 seconds, man during the OP. If you could seriously remember everything about Monogatari then you'd have an autistically good memory.

>>121841260
Honestly, if we had gotten a Numachi/Kanbaru shared flashback like this then Hanamonogatari would have actually been better.

It would have been a lot easier to actually connect with Numachi as a character instead of just Kaiki off-handedly mentioning her in Koi and Suruga Monkey heavily implying Kanbaru was considering using the Monkey Paw to get better than "a Basketball Rival" which if Hana is anything to go by, was probably Numachi the swamp

>>121824418
My only minus to Hana and Monogatari series in overall is that Nishio never gave Kanbaru a girlfriend at the end which would help her properly move on from her Senjou stage, and instead to the end forced the whole Araragi bro relation.

I suppose that would be too controversial to do and you can't really let haremette's move on from male MC.

>>121841352
Kanbaru isn't part of the harem though, she's the Sunohara.

Though yeah, Kanbaru should have straight up gotten some better resolution OR at least a hint of future resolution in regards to that situation.

>>121810742
Can we all agree Nise was the worst Monogatari

>>121841459
No Neko Kuro was.

>>121841337
I don't think it would've been better necessarily, just different. A lot of hana was devoted to Kanbaru learning about somebody she didn't know, except in vague terms like 'rival', who represents a new viewpoint.

>>121841352
>>121841419
Nah, her story was never about romance, it was about finding an identity. And Nisio really doesn't seem to like the idea of defining yourself around someone else, eg. a lover. The end of hana was basically Kanbaru's starting line, so I'm not bothered that there was no real resolution.

>>121817752
They can always watashi.

>>121841611
Nah, Neko Kuro was so depressing that it was a neat departure from the later events in the series.

>>121841733
Neko Kuro wasn't depressing, it was boring and covered old ground.

>>121839532
Awesome, so can someone tell me what this is from now?
I did drum up discussion about feet.

>>121842039
Did you post any feet pics?
Do that and I'll tell you.

>>121841939
Idunno, the shit Araragi says to Hanekawa before she cuts him in half is pretty mean. And until Kizu comes out never , it gives us the best look at Araragi's old personality.

>>121842075
2d or 3d?

>>121841459
But Nise was the best monogatari.

>>121842039
It's from >>>/r/

>>121841636
>The end of hana was basically Kanbaru's starting line
To be honest I would love to have Kanbaru as new MC and get her story rolling at least for one LN volume to see what she would do then.

>>121842096
What do you think?

>>121810742
that's amazing

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>>121842145
But I only want her and Shuraragi teasing each other.

>>121842145
I think her story would be pretty normal from now on. Something like balancing studies with basketball, with a little devil part collection and lesbian hijinks mixed in. Would watch.

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>>121842192
Very well.

Notice how the legging obscures the ankles just so drawing attention to the arch of the foot, while the toes and heel stand out against the scarlet background.

was that satisfactory?

>>121842361
>mfw I just realized that's a skirt.

Holy shit too lewd, sorry I did spoiler that

>>121842361
>those nails
I threw up in my mouth a little

monogatari

>>121842290
It would be funny if Kanbaru x Karen happened and Araragi would be asked to be Kanbaru best man, imagine the bachelor party.

Kanbaru, Araragi and Kaiki in a strip club.

All my money.

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>>121842290
She could always join the Fire Sisters and tease them instead. We needed a Fire Sisters spinoff anyway.

>>121811038
Why was it so short.
Anyway, time to rewatch.

>>121842530
Araragi would never accept it. He molested Karen just to keep them from meeting, he'd just do it harder until they both forgot that Kanbaru ever existed.

>>121810742

it's not yuri unless they kiss.

>>121837509
no but she even said that under 120kg is nothing to her

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>>121839440
>>121839462
>>121839573
Still can't get over on her inverted nipples.

>>121842901
>one frame
>one line
>somehow it's inverted nipples

Why are you back with this bullshit again?

>>121842901

Isn't that a strand of her hair sticking out?

>>121842780
"Hey sis, lets sleep together... and lets be naked and hold each other, OK? No kissing though. That would be Yuri. Oh, and stick your finger up my butt too."

>>121810855
What is Candy Boy?

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>>121810742
Fucking yuri sisters

>>121842978
Maybe he has a fetish for inverted nipples.

>>121842530
That would be the fucking most awesome.
But how does Kaiki get invited? Unless Gaen or Yozuru brings him as their date?

>>121833274

Hanekawa wanted a family and plans a nomadic life to find a home and purpose, so her problems were far from fixed. Her parents got off scot-free. She just took her crappy circumstances in stride.

>>121844815
Don't be disgusting

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>>121844868
He's Kanbaru's Best Man duh.

>>121844737
>derpy da derp derp! Guys! I'm in China so I'm not allowed to use Google and click on the first result. I can't even press "I'm feeling lucky". Also, I'm super gay for your penis.

It's an 8 minute Yuri short film about 2 high school freshmen.

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>>121844973
You mean he would be Karen's maid of honor.