Shirou jobs, Gil is about to get jobbed, who will save the day now?
2wei season two is coming summer, right?
Will UBW season two be airing at the same time?
I bet it'll be a little girl in a slutty costume.
>Those people that weren't the protagonist jobbed, just like Bazett somehow lost in 2wei. Who the fuck can save us now? What the fuck, we're just stuck? If only there were some sort of protagonist that powers up at the end of every arc to save the arc.
Are people actually questioning this?
Ilya jumps into the Mooncell, people think she's dead, she comes out equipped with the one card that can save the day.
>Bazett lost due to Rin's magics in 2wei though.
Rin wasn't the final boss of 2wei, that would be Gilgamesh.
Julian is the Gilgamesh of this arc, that's not comparable to Rin. Every super powered guy they have suddenly loses to the final boss, but then Ilya powers up at the end of each arc. Miyu was the Bazett of the first arc, she lost to Berserker, but then Ilya showed up.
As if you expected an ice pop vendor to win.
and Shirou is the Bazett of this arc
People were all "What the fuck, this is bullshit" when he lost. I was saying that shit was going to happen for awhile before that point. Ilya is the heroine, she's going to be the one that wins.
Aren't you forgetting someone?
He jobbed badly, what was he thinking making a blind dash for Julian like that. Acting all smug like he was going to land the hit as well, he got jobbed and it's got that he was shown his place by Sakura again.
Shirou just needs the Archer card that Kuro has, so this will happen.
I expected something, when you rush it for a villain and he's looking composed as fuck you know you need to calm down and rethink.
Not run in like a madman like Shirou just did.
>that Kuro has
That Kuro is
She would die if she gave it up, it's part of her soul, keeping her together. She has no form without that giving her basis.
This is literally just something that needed to happen. Bazett wasn't going to save the day in 2wei, and Shirou wasn't going to save the day here.
There's a different hero in this story, it isn't Shirou.
It looked like a logical choice, but when you see the bad guy looking calm as fuck and not moving an inch, you should know he has a trick up his sleeve. It's villians 101 everyone.
Prisma comes out the 26th of the month, UBW's BDs come out March 25th, with S2 on April 4th.
Next chapter he gets a quickie from Rin and comes back just in time to do something cool. Gotta keep that brand synergy.
The sheer amount of random "AWESOME" bullshit in the final battle of 3rei is turning the hype off for me. It's hard to care when the writer is clearly just making a new ass pull in each chapter, trying to-one-up his previous asspull.
That's being meta and treating the manga like a story, which the characters shouldn't do. And it would suggest that anyone with a good poker face should be avoided at all costs. Besides, the villain could have been overestimating his own abilities. Staying back and letting him send in even more Servants to overwhelm them would have been worse.
You'd think someone with Mind's Eye would realize "Wait, something isn't right here" instead of nearly getting cut in half.
Villain is always going to keep one card in reserve to protect himself. He's never going to leave himself entirely vulnerable until you start to see pushing it. Especially not someone who's planned this much.
You don't have to be aware of how stories work in order to understand "Wait, it shouldn't be this easy, guy isn't even pretending to move out of the way".
Julian spread the mud across the world, and is turning random people into heroic spirits by equipping them with cards in his war against evil mages from another world-line trying to destroy the world that he's trying to save by sacrificing whoever he feels like.
This is something that might be happening.
As he's equipping them without the rods, he can control them, or maybe he's making them all Berserkers. Maybe the heroic spirits soul is the main entity in that body if equipped without the rods.
he certainly pulled her out of the mud, and there's gotta be some reason he poured mud on that one loli.
Reduce the chapters to the weekly amount, many Mangaka can handle weekly manga with good art one only needs to look at Fuuka & Nisekoi. Granted Primsa Illya is a step above them, the art could still be maintain in a weekly format I believe.
>I'm impatient; I don't care if the story, characters, and art take a downturn because of this. I just want it to come out already.
Just read it all at once in one go, this is the schedule the artist/author or whoever felt was best for them. Lot of stories are monthly.
>>I'm impatient; I don't care if the story, characters, and art take a downturn because of this. I just want it to come out already.
Implying that's what I meant, stop putting words in my mouth.
Now just because lots of series are monthly doesn't mean I have to like the format despite it's benefits.
Neither. I choose these three instead.
You don't have to like the manga, but Komi often draws some nice panels.
Rin. Never accept a cheap imitation.
You are forgiven for your ignorance.
>Reduce the chapters to the weekly amount
Have you been paying attention monthly page amount in prisma? Despite being a monthly manga, it has the average page count per chapter of a weekly series already.
>thats the one we officially stick with.
Sure thing, anon.
>implying you need to be in the manga industry to understand something so basic
You said yourself that the art is a step above them. The amount of detail put into Nisekoi's artwork is nowhere near Prisma Illya. It's not even fucking close. You could look at the image posted in the thread and see that. Many artistic techniques used in Prisma aren't even touched upon in Nisekoi, plus there's a hell of a lot more going on Prisma Illya compared to the average Nisekoi chapter in terms of the various actions characters take. Yet you believe that same quality could be reached in a week without rushing it and possibly changing the style? C'mon now.
Don't worry, everything will be die jobbu.
So... any theory for who Tanaka really is?
More than a few, but it's already basically confirmed.
She's something sent down to deal with Julius after he went out of bounds for a human and did something a human should never do, taking the heart of the Moon.
Whether it's Gaia, Alaya, or the Mooncell AI that sent down something to kick his ass, that much is already confirmed. She gained sentience into the world slightly before meeting Ilya, knows who she has to kill, and her power set seems to revolve around heat.
Even Kotomine was all "Man Julius, you either must be stupid or desperate to bring that out" after he brought out his trump card cell.
"That'll only tell them exactly where you are", then we pan to Tanaka at the end of that chapter on her way to him, burning through the school.
I mean someone could spent ten minutes putting all the clues together.
Seems like its just going to be revealed pretty soon though, may as well just let it be a surprise for all those people who are going to be all "I cant believe it, this is strange and out of nowhere, bullshit" at the time. Seems like Tanaka could show up at the end of this chapter or next chapter at this rate.
She was drawing this on the wall.
Why do people assume that everyone can use the cards? Illya and Miyu only can do it because of Sapphire and Ruby, Julius's girls are homunculus probably created with the ability to use the cards and we don't know what the fuck is Sakura.
This chapter has the most clues when you read back
They've been setting up all of this since the very start of 2wei, if not since early on in the original series as well with Miyu. It's all been alluding to this all along slowly.
You ask when it's changed, but this has just been going on in the background for ages building up. earliest I can remember offhand was this part.
People immediately go to "NTR" in a weird way in this moment, while ignoring the actual "Reversal of situations" going on.
So many chapters back, what did Miyu feel in that moment. This story isn't really subtle, but it comes off more that way if no one really wants to look into it even this far.
>People immediately go to "NTR" in a weird way in this moment, while ignoring the actual "Reversal of situations" going on.
The people that do that are either just joking or haven't reread at least 2wei in a while.
I'd say more so the first, but shit if that moment didn't mean just a bit more than it was really explored at the time as threads have been mostly memes lately.
This thread and the last has been pretty chill. Fan-service and lolis are fine, but there is a plot that's being set up here that has some nice stuff being set up.
No, Alaya doesn't come personally, it sends people.
If anything she's another CG just like Emiya. I'm saying Gaia, Alaya, or Mooncell sent down something to deal with this shit. We don't know which higher body decided to deal with this quite yet.
Though I've heard the red beast was there watching in Mahoyo when Aoko activated the fifth true magic which warped the world a bit. If she had gone much further then something would have happened, if things like that start taking note of your actions.
I have this theory,
-Tanaka and Miyu's soul and body are exchanged.
- Tanaka's real body (now Miyu's) is actually grail container. That's why Tanaka only remember that she was always alone in darkness.
- Ainsworth changed their souls in order to weaken her defense and make them easier to use her body as Grail.
- Miyu's real body is now Tanaka's, that's why Tanaka has orange-ish scruffy hair.
It's amazing how Hiroyama's art improved so much in just a couple of years.
>this isn't Grafitti, this is my passion
What if Tanaka is some kind of artist servant? Gogh?
So I'm new to this series and trying to catch up, but holy shit I laughed for like five minutes straight at this.
>another neckbeard becomes qt.13 girl
I bet Takeuchi is behind this again.
All three entities have their own systems that they can send down. Mooncell has AI's that are charged with acting independently to solve shit based on their own knowledge and protecting the core no matter what and can incarnate on Earth if they felt like it, Gaia has beasts if humanity went out of their bounds and did something stupid, Alaya has various heroes throughout all ages that have sold their soul to it and can send someone if a disaster has already occurred.
It's like Cops, who's department is this exactly, we don't know quite yet.
Each entity has its own rules, for example Alaya only sends someone if "Something has already occurred". It would be trouble if all three entities stepped on each others toes and all sent someone.
There's also Counter Force, which changes the results in place.
Lot of things we don't really "Know", we don't really know that thing is the Mooncell, but it's what we take to calling it.
>Core of the Moon is a cube in the same way
>Can summon hundreds of heroic spirits and has the world archive within it
>It's where Julius is getting the cards
>Ilya and everyone else notes "That's not something a human should ever have"
>Kotomine is all "How thoughtless, he'll be found out" when he brings it out.
Even if they don't spell it out, it's an object outside of humanity entirely, something that would earn the ire of beings far beyond humanity for you having done something foolish and trying to take it. It's a strange situation.
I'm thinking that the Ainsworth magecraft played a part in it all. Ability to create portals.
There's also that one clue we got early on, Julius is referred to a number of times as "Counterfeiter"
Maybe this is a copy of the real thing somehow.
But that doesn't explain how Tanaka is immune to the Thor girl's attacks. Even with Avalon in his body, Shirou doesn't get instantly healed. The wounds will take some times for him to recover, that's why he's still killable if he is instantly killed.
It's not just healing, it's abnormal toughness, damage doesn't get input at times. She's something different entirely.
Breaks the ice dome with some fire hadoken, burns the school just walking, has some connection to fire, and her body has abnormal toughness and healing.
>In Tanaka's drawing the castle/prop/wedge/whatever is above the cube
>when Illya sees it it's below the cube
She's looking at it from above?
Miyu's world and Extra's world share basically the same set up.
In both worlds a catacysm happened some years back, all mana in the world is going elsewhere, everything is going down the drain, humanity is dying, there was a polar shift, etc.
In Extra, it was because of a failed ritual in 1970's, Overcount 1999. Could just as well be the same here.
Extra's setting takes place on the Moon, but there is an Earth, and it is talked about a lot in passing. It's a fucked up place, Japan is basically entirely destroyed. The Western plurocracy have taken control of the Lion's share of the world, like the Ainsworth in a sense.
Everything talked about there is talked about in regards to the Earth below the Moon where the game takes place. In Extra the Moon has its own reality kind of like an Aristotle where people compete to reach the grail, but they like on the Earth below the Moon.
Maybe Miyu fell into the mud and this somehow made her fall into Sakura's mind, so for a moment she could see how fucked her mind was there.
Top panel looks like Miyu Lancelot.
So maybe some years prior "Shirou" approached her saying she needed to do something for him, gain power of the holy grail.
Meanwhile real Shirou is confused being all "It can't be, it's you!" like he hasn't seen her in years and something very fucked up happened to her.
They all went to the same orphanage as children as a fire, and this turns into Final Fantasy.
But Prometheus is the one who create it. He's also like the god of fire and blacksmith.
We've seen Ainsworth's minion used Thor's card so it's possible if Tanaka has Prometheus card.
Tanaka has Prometheus card*. Gomen.
Is this about Nasu's castrated version of that myth or something?
Because original Prometheus was a titan free thinker who was benevolent towards mankind and taught them various useful things, stole fire from the gods and gave it to men and then served an eternity on a rock with a nasty bird eating out his liver every day forever.
Pandora and the box were a dick move by the gods, and Prometheus' retard brother, Epimetheus, who yet didn't understand that 3D women are in fact Pig Disgusting and Bad News, married her and she made him open the box which royally fucked shit up.
Thus if Epimetheus wasn't a dumbfuck and kept to 2D like his brother, everything would be fine.
>But Prometheus is the one who create it. He's also like the god of fire and blacksmith.
You seem to be confusing some bits of greek mythology.
Prometheus is a titan, not a god. Hephaestus is the god of blacksmithing and one who made Pandora and her box (which was actually a jar, but people think it's a box now, so who cares).
Pandora and the box (jar) were made as punishment for Prometheus' deeds.
She's way past that on the yandere scale.
>Miyu's world is in the Moon?
Yes, that's why the scans are in Moon language.
Oh come on.
Just look at the odds against him:
>recently got his other half back, extra arrogant now
>learned nothing from shota experience
>Julian is most likely the final boss of this arc
>there's a grand total of 3 little girls who didn't yet shine much in this arc
>it's not his show
He'll obliterate Thor and then job to Julian with unparalleled grace.
Well it's obvious he'll job to Julian if he goes against him. Julian has Moon Cell backing his ass, he'll if summons or installs a Saver or Karna card, it'll be at least a really big threat against the likes of kid Gil.
I wouldn't be surprised if Julian gets back Gil's card and destroys it. That way Gil will stay his helpful shota self rather than go back to being his arrogant tyrant adult self.
Julian obviously can't use the Mooncell fully, can't use everything stored in there, can't use it even close to as much as BB. There's some limit on what he can do here that is the source of his weakness. To have brought out this card at all is the symbol of his weakness, to have used it is surely his death, to try to use it even further or bring out something that should not be summoned, I can't even imagine what might happen to him.
It's clear there's something holding him back, or else he'd just use this to save Earth already. he cannot access it in truth. He's found a small cheat to get him around it, something involving cards, but it can only get him so far.
If it was BB, she'd be summoning divine types or something. Things far beyond any servant.
I don't know, there's something here, he's clearly got a limit. He still needs Miyu for a reason.
Stop calling it the moon cell, it's a god damned cube.
For one: it's on earth, not the moon.
For two: moon cell doesn't do shit for nobody.
It's probably a new holy grail entirely.
>Stop calling it the moon cell, it's a god damned cube.
I'm not sure you've played Extra at all
At the heart of the Moon lies one thing, this is the true form of the Holy Grail.
Cube at the center of the Moon opens up, you walk in, you die, wish granted, that's how it works.
At the center of the Moon is Angelica's Cage, a cube.
Yes, the moon cell core, which is clearly not a cube, because it's got this massive gap you're supposed to climb into (in other words it's a visibly incomplete cube). It's also nowhere near the size of Julius's cube, and completely opaque, not weird and translucent.
True form of the Holy Grail is even referred to as a "bottomless Klein cube."
Mooncell core isn't actually open, rather it's watching. No matter what angle you look at, the eye is always open towards you. Because the Mooncell core is captured, sealed, and currently blind it doesn't have its eye open.
There's a reason why it's called the "Eye of god". It is indeed a cube, however the cube and the cube is always open watching when it's awake. That's why there's an opening, that's the eye.
Mooncell core is without any doubt a cube. There are strange magic marks on the one Julian has, as though sealing it somehow. Putting the eye to sleep in a sense.
>Because the Mooncell core is captured, sealed, and currently blind it doesn't have its eye open.
>There are strange magic marks on the one Julian has, as though sealing it somehow. Putting the eye to sleep in a sense.
See, this is where you're making groundless assumptions.
You can't blind the eye of god and much less could you take the core of the moon cell outside of the god damned moon.
It's likely a reference to the moon cell, possibly an imitation, but I exceedingly doubt it's the real deal. Julian is all about being a fake.
I did. I was thinking about Hephaestus, but somehow wrote Prometheus's name there. >>121785550
Summer cannot get here soon enough!
>What if we took a serious VN...
>And then what if took some random, unimportant side character?
>Then, what if we made her, and all her irrelevant friends lesbians?
a complete insult to the Fate franchise.
Hey, Prisma is fine. It's better then most of the new Fate stuff that's been coming out. That new stuff in Miyu-World is something Fate has been missing for some time now.
I know, obvious bait is obvious.
We haven't seen Kerry yet. I hope we do at some point, get to see what's become of him and get some time with him, his wife and kids. See what he makes of Luvia, Rin, Miyu and Kuro.
We've seen him three to five times
Yes it still counts even if he won't turn around. We're getting backstory on him slowly throughout.
Selfishness and selflessness need to be balanced, he picked Heaven's Feel route, and it ended in a good way. Although he's still atoning for turning his back on a miracle and not sacrificing his daughter at the time. He doesn't regret it, but it still means he turned his back on helping everyone for an individuals happiness.
Gotta travel around saving people now in his own way, make up for his one selfish act, except now he isn't alone. Which is kind of UBW at the same time.
Yes, but we still haven't got to see hm as a father with both his children and how he gets on with them.
3rei is actually the best thing to come out of the Fate franchise.
>he picked Heaven's Feel route
Not unless Iri was killing people on the side.
Lot of people don't seem to get what HF meant. It was just a more extreme version of the issue seen throughout, selfishness versus selflessness. Sometimes doing for everyone without constraint won't actually get the best results, that's the path Kiritsugu picked, and often the result was more fucked. In Shirou's case it was a hard choice, in Kiritsugu's choice it was a hard choice especially because of his beliefs and morals to ever do something selfish.
If you've been reading the story, it wasn't' Iri that was Sakura in this situation, it was Ilya that was going to be sacrificed to be the grail in this war. He knew he was supposed to sacrifice her for the greater good, to save the world, but then at the end he went "Fuck it" and took down everyone in one rampage before the parents sealed off the grail.
His motto is supposed to be "For the good of the many", but in one act he chose "The few" rather than the many. He chose to save the ones he loved rather than the masses he's never met. The core of Heaven's Feel isn't "Girl is a huge bitch and killing everyone, hero decides being a hero is shit", the core is going more towards the selfish side of the spectrum. However that's not really shown to be wrong, that as well is an answer for humans. If you go any which way too far it'll cause problems, but despite the negative connectation, selfishness isn't really a bad thing. Saving your loved ones or not sacrificing those close to you "for the good of the many" isn't really bad.
I know we try to see it in our own views, but there was a meaning there. Kiritsugu despite knowing it to be wrong, he threw away his justice in order to save one person, and chose not to walk the path of a hero but that of a human. That's entirely Heaven's Feel. Miyuverse Shirou kind of picked the same path here.
You'd kind of pick up on a theme here that 3rei is all about Heaven's Feel already with both these examples happening here.
>There's no middle ground.
I'm in the southwest, next to the Rocky range.
I've been enjoying the middle ground for a few weeks until this week. Too cold again. I do not mind the heat in the least, even when it's 45 centigrade. Bonus points for that occasional cool mountain breeze.
Which was the episode where she busts the cutest pout ever while in her gym clothes?
You know you want them. Don't resist, anon,-kun.
>Throwing away your own happiness for the sake of a bunch of assholes you don't even know is totally normal guiz
Utilitarianfags never learn
>As the theme of Fate/stay night, if we assume the Saber route to be posing a question, the Rin route is the answer and the Sakura route is a practical application.
Can't Nasu not contradict himself for once?
Now that just hurts
The message, looking objectively, looks at both sides equally though.
You can be righteous and save the many, but you should also be mindful of the people who suffer in the dark. Righteousness doesn't always grant the best decisions, and saving the one person doesn't always give the best outcome.
The nature of good is to want the best for others. It's just that often, when people spout the ideals of utilitarianism and the greater good, lives are just seen as cheap things to be thrown away or discarded when things get hard. We can pretty things up with speeches and all about honoring sacrifice and the needs of the many, but that mindset can get pretty cold and mechanical, even fearful of risk. Risk that could save just as many lives and bring about real positive change.
Like how Rin's mindset in HF of eliminating risk without really understanding the gravity of that choice, or Kerry's philosophy of just eliminating conflict in its entirety that caused him to ignore children being kidnapped for the sake of a broken device.
tl; dr - the message is that both sides have value as philosophies and ideals, but that is all they are, philosophies and ideals, abstract guidelines. Use your goddamn brain and examine the situation before making rash decisions in either case. Don't be led to believe a decision is right, strive to make the right decision with careful thought and clarity.
How is that contradictory though?
UBW is a theoretical struggle, where Shirou comes up with a personal answer within himself. HF is where he makes a decision based on an actual event, where his philosophy is brought into friction with his feelings. His stance is put into practice, therefore, a practical application.
Capsule Servant spinoff when? they're cute
>but that is all they are, philosophies and ideals, abstract guidelines. Use your goddamn brain and examine the situation before making rash decisions in either case. Don't be led to believe a decision is right, strive to make the right decision with careful thought and clarity.
That's also a point in the game, and two routes in particular. If you strive to adhere to an ideal over what the ideal means, then the only thing you'll save in the end or have left over is the ideal itself. To protect what the ideal means, means you might have to compromise at times to find a better result to truly protect it.
Kiritsugu more than he saved people, he protected the ideal of saving people. He had to justify the choice itself after having killed his mother and father, he had to show that the ideal was right and show some fruit from it, even over how much he wanted to save others at times. This is also something true about Shirou or Archer at times. Sometimes it was more about the ideal than the people.
By the books and numbers, Archer says it himself at one point, if you try to protect ideals, all you'll save are ideals rather than people. Something like that anyway. You can't adhere to the system and nothing else, sometimes compromise is needed to reach a result.
Post citations then, something is usually lost in translation, or someone just misread something and was all "No, it says this" but then they go back and read and it's like "Oh, it didn't".
I am not going to search for the japanese version of the interview of a fucking mushroom.
It is realy far more likely that he simply contradicted himself since he does that all the time.
The simplest solution is "ideals are fine as long as you're not stupid about them" in the end. Unfortunately, being stupid about things is Shirou and Kerry all over.
Precisely. Ideals are convenient in the discussion of the greater good. People died to develop a medicine, therefore, we treat that death as a good thing even if we are PC about it and outwardly talk about honour and sacrifice. We never really look from the perspective of the people trampled by the ideal, who lose everything for it. That is what is so dangerous about wholeheartedly embracing the "greater good" as a matter of course.
>People died to develop a medicine, therefore, we treat that death as a good thing even if we are PC about it and outwardly talk about honour and sacrifice. We never really look from the perspective of the people trampled by the ideal, who lose everything for it.
There was a guy in Extra who was about that kind of
Guy hated war growing up, until he realized that war brought about a lot of growth and change with humanity each time. He was like Shirou, he had the abnormality in a sense, but ended up at the opposite answer after awhile.
It's like everyone in Fate represents an ideal or an ideal taken to an extreme at times.
Shirou in UBW managed to create as practical of an application of Kerry's ideal as possible; he knows his ideal might be impossible to play out in some situations, but he'll always try anyway, because in the end, helping people isn't wrong.
I think you completly missunderstand what an Ideal is.
Satisfying one’s conception of what is perfect; most suitable
Existing only in the imagination; desirable or perfect but not likely to become a reality
It's true, but nothing is that cut and dry. We have billions of people on this planet, not all of them are idiots all the time, and we often run aground of each other because of idealogies.
You can tell someone not to be stupid about their decisions, but those same people don't think their decision making is stupid.
You don't have to be an idiot to be wrong in the way you do things. Look at Saber, look at Tokiomi, look at the founders of the three families.
It seems like she's being manipulated by someone else.
Her dialogue from the bottom sounds something like
DarkSakura: "Oh... That's right."
DarkSakura: "Sorry senpai, I.."
Darktext: "Are you already going home today?"
DarkSakura: "Eh? Oh, but the club activity is..."
Darktext: "The archery clubroom is in the middle of renovations, didn't I tell you?"
DarkSakura: "Ah... Ah... That's right. Lately I've been really forgetful..."
Darktext: "That's good, then I'll see you tomorrow."
DarkSakura: "Yes, sayonara senpai."
*Smug evil face with shiny particles thrown around*
UBW types always feel like this, like "Nah, this route is the accumulation of Shirou's answer from both other routes, it should be the last route at that rate, the perfect mold of both paths that reaches the perfect balance he should take. If there's a path then it's this one, he's reached the correct answer for the dilemma"
There are three routes because none of them are a perfect or correct answer. He's still not over his shit or outside of becoming Archer there at all, however Tohsaka is watching over him until the end to guide him along so he doesn't lose his way. Each route is an answer to part of the problem, but all paths are about compromise as well.
It's like they're always saying "No, this is the complete right answer".
Oh come on. Iri loves Shirou a lot. Remember that her parenting methods are slightly unorthodox and that she's away from home often. You can bet he was just as pampered and treated with affection as Illya when he was younger. Now he's a handsome young man and she knows she shouldn't be as... overwhelming and give him freedom.
Iri is actually a pretty damn good mom in Prisma.
>"Nah, this route is the accumulation of Shirou's answer from both other routes, it should be the last route at that rate, the perfect mold of both paths that reaches the perfect balance he should take. If there's a path then it's this one, he's reached the correct answer for the dilemma"
That's stuffing words in people's mouths.
In terms of ideals though, UBW probably handles the base Kerry one the best. Fate Shirou doesn't really properly address the ideal, and just pursues it blindly, UBW has Shirou seeing the problems with it, but compromises and makes it more livable. HF Shirou gives up the ideal and follows another path. I'm not knocking HF in anyway, but when talking about Shirou's base ideal, it's not really as applicable as he goes in another direction in that story.
That isn't really practical because it's still on the realm of theory. He'll strive toward the goal despite the circumstances, but you have to have the circumstances first.
And the main issue with that is the fact you can't really love others honestly without loving yourself. That is his problem and what needs to be addressed. Living just to help others won't solve that, but no, it's not wrong.
>That isn't really practical because it's still on the realm of theory
Shirou doesn't just sit in a room and philosophize in UBW. He takes action and tries to follow through with stuff. I mean the end fight with Gilgamesh the group chooses to take the more difficult route of actually saving Shinji instead of blowing him up with the mass of flesh. He tried his best to save everyone.
>And the main issue with that is the fact you can't really love others honestly without loving yourself
That is brought up in UBW though. That's the point of the date and his relationship with Rin; earning some self worth.
There's Twice when he was alive, and Twice after he died, little more than a ghost in a sense.
Upon looking at how he died and looking over his life, he came up with another answer about what it all meant after it was over. Similar to Archer.
But you would need all possible circumstances.
Otherwise you just have examples and no theory/ideal at all.
>And the main issue with that is the fact you can't really love others honestly without loving yourself.
Did you skip half of UBW?
Archer has some special words for this guy if you bring him along here.
A practical application needs a situation that puts the question into practice, UBW is still in the realm of debate, the debate just comes to blows.
And I have read all of UBW, don't patronize me. Shirou hasn't reached the insight of loving himself or acknowledging he needs to by the end, though this is true of HF as well, so don't take it as me knocking UBW if that is what you are doing. Ilya mentions that Shirou needs someone to watch over him in both routes in the Tiger Dojo summary.
>A practical application needs a situation that puts the question into practice, UBW is still in the realm of debate, the debate just comes to blows.
I don't really agree with this. The entire events after the Archer fight, which has Shirou finalizing his ideals, served as basically an abridged application of what he came to learn. He tried to save Shinji, but when push came to shove, he knew Gil had to be dealt with too.
>Shirou hasn't reached the insight of loving himself or acknowledging he needs to by the end
It is brought up as a subject though; Rin is going to help him.
>Shirou hasn't reached the insight of loving himself or acknowledging he needs to by the end,
How is that even supposed to be portrayed?
Seems so. If she thinks she is back in school, then yeah, she is really far gone and explains why Shirou is surprised to even see her here. Likely been stored away for a long time in the dark if that is the case.
>It's just one guy with that opinion
That says it in that exact way each time any time one of those two things are mentioned, yes.
You won't typically have someone saying the exact same one opinion like that when it relates to such a small thing.
>You won't typically have someone saying the exact same one opinion like that when it relates to such a small thing.
Well let's see
>Old men for money
>Season 2 doesn't exist
How new are you?
Caliburn is shit and used goods, Kanshou and Byakuya are the only ones Shirou truly loves. It's Excalibur, Caliburn and NLBW trying to NTR him.
Excalibur Image seems to mean something special to the guy.
As a note, Excalibur Image is not Excalibur, it feels more like a homage to one who once sought and respected in a way. Even the name and ruby text name kind of give it away.
Kansho and Bakuya are his standards, his coke classic, his forever girl.
He's got a few others that mean something special to him, like Caliburn or Hrunting.
>even though Archer can't project Excalibur.
You don't seem to get how it works, or are just quick to put it down for your own means.
>- Sword F/SN Archer projects = "似たような性能の、型落ち宝具". (from CM3)
>Sword EXTRA Archer projects = "劣化品" (from EM)
In F/SN he can project something, but it's so far gone it can't be called Excalibur anymore. In Extra he can project something, but it's barely within margins to be called Excalibur. It's about semantics; he can project it always, but the difference is how badly its degraded to actually be called something anymore. This has always been established, it's not just "He can't do it" like you're saying. Rather by his own standards, it can't be called Excalibur anymore.
Excalibur Image is "The Eternally Distant Golden Blade", that which always remains out of reach, but he reaches out for in his own way. Even when using it in CCC, the phrase he shouts at the time is-
>"May this light reach the king who never can be reached. Can you withstand this fragment of a true holy sword?"
You're clearly glazing over this as "Doesn't count" in a way, without looking into all of the symbolism and meaning Nasu put into it when he made it canon that Archer could do this in the Mooncell. It's not that Nasu even really changed much, Shirou could always project something as shown in HF and was retconned later, but now he decided "Well, it was always too degraded to count, but now it sort of counts, but only in this one instance".
>In EXTRA, the conditions for where wrought iron is possible are boosted so projection of holy-sword class weaponry is possible, though their performance is inferior.
>Okay truth is, I was surprised to find that the staff in charge of the 3D had made animation for Excalibur being projected while I was looking the other way.
>Well it is new animation after all and there's no reason to reject it. So long as it's a degraded version, I guess it's okay.
I give you far more indepth quotes, and you act like I don't have something that could simply be taken off the wiki at will. I tell you something from the official materials saying the difference between what he traces in F/SN and in Extra, and you just say the exact same thing you said before.
That shit was already on the page I was looking at, you clearly had already read it, posting it wasn't about to change my point, if you had read what I was saying you'd see I noted that as well. Seems you can only say one thing and keep repeating it though.
I say that Nasu never intended for Archer to project Excalibur/Excalibur image in Extra.
And in that quote he straight out admits that it's only in the game because the Animators fucked up.
>I want to marry the little girl
What the hell is going on. What is this.
It seems like you're a pedophile.
Lolicon comes from "lolita complex" which means attraction to little girls.
Also known as pedophilia
Four grails in the same place
It's gotta all come together somehow, to form the ultimate grail. Iriesviel isn't here though, so they can't form their giant robot.
He's busy watching over the multiverse, sending people to do shit for him.
Just like Alaya or any of those top tier guys. You're top tier if you never do shit yourself.
Guy sent Luvia and Rin to fix shit as part of his apprenticeship. Saying "If you can't fix this with the shit I gave you, then you really suck".
He gives people the tools to solve it, and then watches them whether they sink or swim. They'll grow stronger in the process either way.
Can't be doing shit for people all the time if you want them to grow.
Watching over the multiverse in his closed off dimension home, seeing shit unfold.
He's taken an interest in the world of Fate/Strange recently. A grail war so heretical that it's reached the level of some bullshit.
it's one world out of infinite world-lines. He's got thousands of parallel Rins in different worlds working for him. He gives them the tools, and if they're strong enough they'll come out on top. If they fail, its no skin off his back, he's got backups.
Either way he's not fucked at all.
Guy is known to break his apprentices anyway. According to some interview the ones that survive always come back a bit ragged.
Trial by fire