Prisma Illya

I want Illya to cuck me!

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2wei season two is coming summer, right?
Will UBW season two be airing at the same time?

I think Illya has to be the lewdest looking loli. I have no idea why.

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I bet it'll be a little girl in a slutty costume.

>>121779036
Perhaps the titular character will? The exact same thing happened in the first two series.

>>121779036
Shirou hardly jobbed though, he did really good considering the circumstances.

Gil is most likely going to gloriously job in the most fabulous manner though.

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Spoilers.

>>121779190
So Zwei Illya is coming back?

>>121779036
>Those people that weren't the protagonist jobbed, just like Bazett somehow lost in 2wei. Who the fuck can save us now? What the fuck, we're just stuck? If only there were some sort of protagonist that powers up at the end of every arc to save the arc.

Are people actually questioning this?

Ilya jumps into the Mooncell, people think she's dead, she comes out equipped with the one card that can save the day.

>>121779115
UBW P2: (Spring)April 2015
2wei P2: (Summer)July 2015
HF Movie 1: (Fall)Oct-Dec 2015
NoneStopFate!

>>121779301
Bazett lost due to Rin's magics in 2wei though.
Illya got rekt and they only "won" because they managed to curse Bazett and talk their way out of this.

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>>121779355
>Bazett lost due to Rin's magics in 2wei though.

Rin wasn't the final boss of 2wei, that would be Gilgamesh.

Julian is the Gilgamesh of this arc, that's not comparable to Rin. Every super powered guy they have suddenly loses to the final boss, but then Ilya powers up at the end of each arc. Miyu was the Bazett of the first arc, she lost to Berserker, but then Ilya showed up.

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>>121779301
As if you expected an ice pop vendor to win.

>>121779036

Could it finally be time for Taiga to save the day?

Shirou will come back and save the day with UBW.

Then job again.

Would be fun to see refreshed and full powered Shirou and Gil team up.

Then both job together.

>>121779444
and Shirou is the Bazett of this arc

People were all "What the fuck, this is bullshit" when he lost. I was saying that shit was going to happen for awhile before that point. Ilya is the heroine, she's going to be the one that wins.

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>>121779301
>>121779460
Aren't you forgetting someone?

>>121779444
She didn't really have a way to win that though.

>>121779220
He jobbed badly, what was he thinking making a blind dash for Julian like that. Acting all smug like he was going to land the hit as well, he got jobbed and it's got that he was shown his place by Sakura again.

>>121779498
Are you suggesting that a side-character will have a central role? Tanaka will no doubt help, but she won't save the day.

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Shirou just needs the Archer card that Kuro has, so this will happen.

>>121779514
Nobody expected a sudden Sakurancelot.

>>121779583
not gonna happend maybe illya use berserker card

>>121779514
Rushing in to take out the guy controlling everything instead of staying put and fighting a literal army of Servants made tactical sense.

>>121779583
Yeah except Kuro can't really share it and Rin won't be able to fix Shirou until it's all over.

>>121779587
I expected something, when you rush it for a villain and he's looking composed as fuck you know you need to calm down and rethink.
Not run in like a madman like Shirou just did.

>>121779613
Will she be topless when she does that?

>>121779583
>that Kuro has

That Kuro is

She would die if she gave it up, it's part of her soul, keeping her together. She has no form without that giving her basis.

>>121779514
This is literally just something that needed to happen. Bazett wasn't going to save the day in 2wei, and Shirou wasn't going to save the day here.

There's a different hero in this story, it isn't Shirou.

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The answer is obvious

>>121779635
It looked like a logical choice, but when you see the bad guy looking calm as fuck and not moving an inch, you should know he has a trick up his sleeve. It's villians 101 everyone.

>>121779691
He had to job and so he did job, doesn't mean we should be happy about it though.

>>121779479
Prisma comes out the 26th of the month, UBW's BDs come out March 25th, with S2 on April 4th.

Next chapter he gets a quickie from Rin and comes back just in time to do something cool. Gotta keep that brand synergy.

>>121779223

The sheer amount of random "AWESOME" bullshit in the final battle of 3rei is turning the hype off for me. It's hard to care when the writer is clearly just making a new ass pull in each chapter, trying to-one-up his previous asspull.

>>121779718
That's being meta and treating the manga like a story, which the characters shouldn't do. And it would suggest that anyone with a good poker face should be avoided at all costs. Besides, the villain could have been overestimating his own abilities. Staying back and letting him send in even more Servants to overwhelm them would have been worse.

>>121779223
Why is Sakura going back into the mud? She just showed up for fucks sake.

>>121779180
So, Miyu?

>>121779846
You'd think someone with Mind's Eye would realize "Wait, something isn't right here" instead of nearly getting cut in half.

Villain is always going to keep one card in reserve to protect himself. He's never going to leave himself entirely vulnerable until you start to see pushing it. Especially not someone who's planned this much.

You don't have to be aware of how stories work in order to understand "Wait, it shouldn't be this easy, guy isn't even pretending to move out of the way".

>>121779824
I like it because it will look really good animated.

>>121779922
Julian spread the mud across the world, and is turning random people into heroic spirits by equipping them with cards in his war against evil mages from another world-line trying to destroy the world that he's trying to save by sacrificing whoever he feels like.

This is something that might be happening.

As he's equipping them without the rods, he can control them, or maybe he's making them all Berserkers. Maybe the heroic spirits soul is the main entity in that body if equipped without the rods.

he certainly pulled her out of the mud, and there's gotta be some reason he poured mud on that one loli.

>>121779036
Why is this series allowed to be a monthly? There's so much more hype to be had if it was weekly.

>>121780144
It's actually pretty well drawn, so it likely needs a bit more time.

>>121780186
Reduce the chapters to the weekly amount, many Mangaka can handle weekly manga with good art one only needs to look at Fuuka & Nisekoi. Granted Primsa Illya is a step above them, the art could still be maintain in a weekly format I believe.

>>121780271
>I'm impatient; I don't care if the story, characters, and art take a downturn because of this. I just want it to come out already.

Just read it all at once in one go, this is the schedule the artist/author or whoever felt was best for them. Lot of stories are monthly.

>>121780336
>>I'm impatient; I don't care if the story, characters, and art take a downturn because of this. I just want it to come out already.
Implying that's what I meant, stop putting words in my mouth.
Now just because lots of series are monthly doesn't mean I have to like the format despite it's benefits.

>>121780271
>Nisekoi
>cartoonish comic relief reaction faces the manga
>good art

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Right or Left.
Choose wisely.

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>>121780433
>Unlimited Maid Works

>>121780519
Left

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>>121780519
Neither. I choose these three instead.

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>>121780519
>Old hags
no thanks

>>121780271
>the art could still be maintain in a weekly format I believe
So you're a fucking idiot who has no idea what he's talking about? Good to know.

>>121780486
Stop lying to yourself, Nisekoi has good art.

>>121780519
Right on Left.

TRANSLATIONS WHEN?

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>>121780486
You don't have to like the manga, but Komi often draws some nice panels.

>>121780601
Nice to know you're a Mangaka and have experience in the industry, good to know as well.

>>121780615
Whenever Paitouch feels like it.

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>>121780519
Rin. Never accept a cheap imitation.

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>>121780572
Illya Unite!

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>>121780704
>Rin
>Ever looking good.

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>>121780747
Rin is always great.

>>121780747
>using DEEN's shit to prove something
What are you doing anon

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>>121780747
You are forgiven for your ignorance.

>>121780704
Rin is the cheap imitation

>>121780821
DEEN anime came first, so thats the one we officially stick with.

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>>121780868
No.

>>121780271
>Reduce the chapters to the weekly amount
Have you been paying attention monthly page amount in prisma? Despite being a monthly manga, it has the average page count per chapter of a weekly series already.

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>>121780880
>thats the one we officially stick with.
>officially
>we
Sure thing, anon.

>>121780651
>implying you need to be in the manga industry to understand something so basic
You said yourself that the art is a step above them. The amount of detail put into Nisekoi's artwork is nowhere near Prisma Illya. It's not even fucking close. You could look at the image posted in the thread and see that. Many artistic techniques used in Prisma aren't even touched upon in Nisekoi, plus there's a hell of a lot more going on Prisma Illya compared to the average Nisekoi chapter in terms of the various actions characters take. Yet you believe that same quality could be reached in a week without rushing it and possibly changing the style? C'mon now.

>>121780519
Left.

>>121780670
>I will do you one better and not translate it at all. No, but really, I'm not translating this anymore.

So never?

>>121781042
He likes to troll people with that, so who knows.

>>121780519
Luvia does look very cute here.

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>>121779036
Don't worry, everything will be die jobbu.

So is it confirmed that Miyu-Shirou doesn't properly pop up this chapter?

>>121780971
I believe I speak for all of use /a/nons when I say than DEEN/Stay Night wasn't that bad and has just become a meme to hate on it but no one honestly believes it's that bad.

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>>121779498
So... any theory for who Tanaka really is?

>>121781011
I just want more Prisma Illya, allow the irrationality for this time being.

>>121781345
More than a few, but it's already basically confirmed.

She's something sent down to deal with Julius after he went out of bounds for a human and did something a human should never do, taking the heart of the Moon.

Whether it's Gaia, Alaya, or the Mooncell AI that sent down something to kick his ass, that much is already confirmed. She gained sentience into the world slightly before meeting Ilya, knows who she has to kill, and her power set seems to revolve around heat.

Why doesn't Shirou use the Saber card so he can trace Excalibur?

>>121781402
Even Kotomine was all "Man Julius, you either must be stupid or desperate to bring that out" after he brought out his trump card cell.

"That'll only tell them exactly where you are", then we pan to Tanaka at the end of that chapter on her way to him, burning through the school.

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>>121780519

>>121781380
More Illya is meaningless since nobody is translating it.

>>121781443
Because we've got Gil with Ea now, who need that shit?

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>>121781470
A best!

>>121781450
Also the chapter where Tanaka drew the Mooncell on the wall of the school

or all the other clues

>>121780486
>>121780271

>Nisekoi
I actually started to think that shit is just Japanese Betty and Veronica.

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>>121781537
I mean someone could spent ten minutes putting all the clues together.

Seems like its just going to be revealed pretty soon though, may as well just let it be a surprise for all those people who are going to be all "I cant believe it, this is strange and out of nowhere, bullshit" at the time. Seems like Tanaka could show up at the end of this chapter or next chapter at this rate.

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>>121781699
She was drawing this on the wall.

>>121781443
Why do people assume that everyone can use the cards? Illya and Miyu only can do it because of Sapphire and Ruby, Julius's girls are homunculus probably created with the ability to use the cards and we don't know what the fuck is Sakura.

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This chapter has the most clues when you read back

>>121781900
Sakura is a grail container like Illya and Miyu
It's reasonable that she can use cards too

>>121781947
>Sakura is a grail container
We don't know that.

>>121781986
There's a lot of shit we don't know.
When did my manga about magical lewd loli lesbians became so complicated?

>>121781947
Yeah sure, why not just make everybody grail containers instead of just one?

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>>121782186
They've been setting up all of this since the very start of 2wei, if not since early on in the original series as well with Miyu. It's all been alluding to this all along slowly.

You ask when it's changed, but this has just been going on in the background for ages building up. earliest I can remember offhand was this part.

>>121782186
End of 2wei. Then 3rei took us all aboard the suffering ship with no stops in sight yet.

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>>121782285
People immediately go to "NTR" in a weird way in this moment, while ignoring the actual "Reversal of situations" going on.

So many chapters back, what did Miyu feel in that moment. This story isn't really subtle, but it comes off more that way if no one really wants to look into it even this far.

>>121782462
>People immediately go to "NTR" in a weird way in this moment, while ignoring the actual "Reversal of situations" going on.
The people that do that are either just joking or haven't reread at least 2wei in a while.

>>121782600
I'd say more so the first, but shit if that moment didn't mean just a bit more than it was really explored at the time as threads have been mostly memes lately.

This thread and the last has been pretty chill. Fan-service and lolis are fine, but there is a plot that's being set up here that has some nice stuff being set up.

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>>121782600
Sword NTR.

>>121782904
Sakura is such a cunt

>>121781402
>Alaya
So she's EMIYA's boss?

extra servant card when,

>>121783034
No, Alaya doesn't come personally, it sends people.

If anything she's another CG just like Emiya. I'm saying Gaia, Alaya, or Mooncell sent down something to deal with this shit. We don't know which higher body decided to deal with this quite yet.

Kuro a shit. She will disappear eventually.
Give the Archer card to Shirou for power up.

>>121783089
Though I've heard the red beast was there watching in Mahoyo when Aoko activated the fifth true magic which warped the world a bit. If she had gone much further then something would have happened, if things like that start taking note of your actions.

>>121781272
I like the idea of this picture but they look like ass.

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>>121781345
I have this theory,

-Tanaka and Miyu's soul and body are exchanged.
- Tanaka's real body (now Miyu's) is actually grail container. That's why Tanaka only remember that she was always alone in darkness.
- Ainsworth changed their souls in order to weaken her defense and make them easier to use her body as Grail.
- Miyu's real body is now Tanaka's, that's why Tanaka has orange-ish scruffy hair.

>>121783340
has orange-ish scruffy hair like Shirou.*

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>>121782285
It's amazing how Hiroyama's art improved so much in just a couple of years.

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>>121783542
>this isn't Grafitti, this is my passion
What if Tanaka is some kind of artist servant? Gogh?

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So I'm new to this series and trying to catch up, but holy shit I laughed for like five minutes straight at this.

>>121781402
a Counter Guardian?

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>>121783793
>another neckbeard becomes qt.13 girl
I bet Takeuchi is behind this again.

>>121783994
Takeuchi will make /a/'s dream comes true.

>>121783993
All three entities have their own systems that they can send down. Mooncell has AI's that are charged with acting independently to solve shit based on their own knowledge and protecting the core no matter what and can incarnate on Earth if they felt like it, Gaia has beasts if humanity went out of their bounds and did something stupid, Alaya has various heroes throughout all ages that have sold their soul to it and can send someone if a disaster has already occurred.

It's like Cops, who's department is this exactly, we don't know quite yet.

Each entity has its own rules, for example Alaya only sends someone if "Something has already occurred". It would be trouble if all three entities stepped on each others toes and all sent someone.

There's also Counter Force, which changes the results in place.

>>121783993
Same concept, but I think Counter Guardians are used solely by Alaya.

>>121784086
A guardian might be likely for now, but either way it's certainly connected to Julius grabbing something he shouldn't have.

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Lot of things we don't really "Know", we don't really know that thing is the Mooncell, but it's what we take to calling it.

>Core of the Moon is a cube in the same way
>Can summon hundreds of heroic spirits and has the world archive within it
>It's where Julius is getting the cards
>Ilya and everyone else notes "That's not something a human should ever have"
>Kotomine is all "How thoughtless, he'll be found out" when he brings it out.
>Other clues

Even if they don't spell it out, it's an object outside of humanity entirely, something that would earn the ire of beings far beyond humanity for you having done something foolish and trying to take it. It's a strange situation.

I'm thinking that the Ainsworth magecraft played a part in it all. Ability to create portals.

There's also that one clue we got early on, Julius is referred to a number of times as "Counterfeiter"

Maybe this is a copy of the real thing somehow.

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>>121783340
But that doesn't explain how Tanaka is immune to the Thor girl's attacks. Even with Avalon in his body, Shirou doesn't get instantly healed. The wounds will take some times for him to recover, that's why he's still killable if he is instantly killed.

>>121784453
It's not just healing, it's abnormal toughness, damage doesn't get input at times. She's something different entirely.

Breaks the ice dome with some fire hadoken, burns the school just walking, has some connection to fire, and her body has abnormal toughness and healing.

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>>121781699
>>121781739
>In Tanaka's drawing the castle/prop/wedge/whatever is above the cube
>when Illya sees it it's below the cube

>>121784398
Maybe Ainsworths picking up the Mooncell is what causes Miyuworld to slowly run out of mana and die.

>>121783097
It's not his show and he's in no shape to do anything now that Sakura loved him tenderly.

>>121785004
She's looking at it from above?

>>121785021
Miyu's world and Extra's world share basically the same set up.

In both worlds a catacysm happened some years back, all mana in the world is going elsewhere, everything is going down the drain, humanity is dying, there was a polar shift, etc.

In Extra, it was because of a failed ritual in 1970's, Overcount 1999. Could just as well be the same here.

>>121781345
Tanaka is Prometheus
The cube is Pandora that said to contain all the world's evil.
Screencap this.

>>121785550
Pandora was the woman who opened the box you know.

>>121785550
Epimetheus more like. Since she's retarded and most likely going to open that shit.

>>121785004
>>121785070
Miyu's world is in the Moon?

>>121785632
Yes. Her real name is Usagi Tsukino.

>>121785632
Extra's setting takes place on the Moon, but there is an Earth, and it is talked about a lot in passing. It's a fucked up place, Japan is basically entirely destroyed. The Western plurocracy have taken control of the Lion's share of the world, like the Ainsworth in a sense.

Everything talked about there is talked about in regards to the Earth below the Moon where the game takes place. In Extra the Moon has its own reality kind of like an Aristotle where people compete to reach the grail, but they like on the Earth below the Moon.

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>>121785614
I meant Pandora's box. Sorry.

>>121785740
It was still Prometheus' retarded brother who opened it proving once and for all 3D women are evil.

>>121779223
Is that shirou an illusion or something? i don't get what's going on with that.

>>121785877
It's Julian being a massive thick-veined throbbing cock most likely.

>>121785877
Maybe Miyu fell into the mud and this somehow made her fall into Sakura's mind, so for a moment she could see how fucked her mind was there.

Top panel looks like Miyu Lancelot.

>>121785947
Also that doesn't look like Shirou

Julius can put on illusions and look like people, maybe this somehow plays out.

>>121785977
So maybe some years prior "Shirou" approached her saying she needed to do something for him, gain power of the holy grail.

Meanwhile real Shirou is confused being all "It can't be, it's you!" like he hasn't seen her in years and something very fucked up happened to her.

They all went to the same orphanage as children as a fire, and this turns into Final Fantasy.

>>121785776
But Prometheus is the one who create it. He's also like the god of fire and blacksmith.
We've seen Ainsworth's minion used Thor's card so it's possible if Tanaka has Prometheus card.

>>121785550
Tanaka has Prometheus card*. Gomen.

>>121786088
Is this about Nasu's castrated version of that myth or something?
Because original Prometheus was a titan free thinker who was benevolent towards mankind and taught them various useful things, stole fire from the gods and gave it to men and then served an eternity on a rock with a nasty bird eating out his liver every day forever.
Pandora and the box were a dick move by the gods, and Prometheus' retard brother, Epimetheus, who yet didn't understand that 3D women are in fact Pig Disgusting and Bad News, married her and she made him open the box which royally fucked shit up.
Thus if Epimetheus wasn't a dumbfuck and kept to 2D like his brother, everything would be fine.

>>121786034
I feel it's more Ainsworth steamrolled Tohsakas and Matous in Fuyuki during or before the 5th HGW. A free crazy wormslut isn't a bad deal as well.

>>121786244
She's not crazy, she's just in love.

>>121786255
Same thing.

Not saying that's a bad thing.

>>121786255
This version of Sakura is pretty clearly off her rocker.

>>121786088
>But Prometheus is the one who create it. He's also like the god of fire and blacksmith.

You seem to be confusing some bits of greek mythology.
Prometheus is a titan, not a god. Hephaestus is the god of blacksmithing and one who made Pandora and her box (which was actually a jar, but people think it's a box now, so who cares).
Pandora and the box (jar) were made as punishment for Prometheus' deeds.

>>121786344
It's deep love.

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>>121786365
She's way past that on the yandere scale.

>>121786344
>>121786304
>>121786255
>>121786365
>>121786383

Get this what if we take this Sakura, make her go dark wormslut, then install Berserker Lancelot,how smoking hot she'll be?

>>121779691
Bazett kicked a lot of ass in 2wei though. It's just hard to punch a giant mud monster.

>>121786383
Just because she wants to kill Shirou forever and ever and ever?
It's just love, anon. And it's very romantic.

>>121786424
How many times does Sakura kill Shirou in the VN anyway?

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>>121785632
>Miyu's world is in the Moon?
Yes, that's why the scans are in Moon language.

>>121786468
I don't remember but I'm pretty sure it's less than Ilya but more than Rin.

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>>121786509
>less than Illya
She's even the best at killing her otouto.

>>121786509
Does Rin even kill Shirou?

>>121786505
That's deep.

>>121786619
That's the joke.

>>121779036
>>Gil is about to get jobbed
I hope not. Gil looks like he is about to kick ass with his full power.

>>121786619
Yes, in the ending that leads to Tiger Dojo 20.

>>121786645
Oh come on.
Just look at the odds against him:
>recently got his other half back, extra arrogant now
>learned nothing from shota experience
>Julian is most likely the final boss of this arc
>there's a grand total of 3 little girls who didn't yet shine much in this arc
>he's Gil
>it's not his show

He'll obliterate Thor and then job to Julian with unparalleled grace.

>>121786687
That's the one where he got turned into a knife or something, right? So a mercy killing.

>>121786726
Caster cuts off Shirou's limbs, sticks him in a vat and uses him as a tool for projecting Noble Phantasms.

>>121779265
how about Drei Illya with Dress of Heaven + Double Kaleidsticks

>>121786723
Well it's obvious he'll job to Julian if he goes against him. Julian has Moon Cell backing his ass, he'll if summons or installs a Saver or Karna card, it'll be at least a really big threat against the likes of kid Gil.

>>121786805
I wouldn't be surprised if Julian gets back Gil's card and destroys it. That way Gil will stay his helpful shota self rather than go back to being his arrogant tyrant adult self.

>>121786805
Julian obviously can't use the Mooncell fully, can't use everything stored in there, can't use it even close to as much as BB. There's some limit on what he can do here that is the source of his weakness. To have brought out this card at all is the symbol of his weakness, to have used it is surely his death, to try to use it even further or bring out something that should not be summoned, I can't even imagine what might happen to him.

It's clear there's something holding him back, or else he'd just use this to save Earth already. he cannot access it in truth. He's found a small cheat to get him around it, something involving cards, but it can only get him so far.

If it was BB, she'd be summoning divine types or something. Things far beyond any servant.

I don't know, there's something here, he's clearly got a limit. He still needs Miyu for a reason.

>>121786805
>>121786915
Stop calling it the moon cell, it's a god damned cube.
For one: it's on earth, not the moon.
For two: moon cell doesn't do shit for nobody.
It's probably a new holy grail entirely.

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>>121786619
>>121786726
and this.

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>>121787033
>Stop calling it the moon cell, it's a god damned cube.

I'm not sure you've played Extra at all

At the heart of the Moon lies one thing, this is the true form of the Holy Grail.

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>>121787056
Cube at the center of the Moon opens up, you walk in, you die, wish granted, that's how it works.

At the center of the Moon is Angelica's Cage, a cube.

>>121787056

Yes, the moon cell core, which is clearly not a cube, because it's got this massive gap you're supposed to climb into (in other words it's a visibly incomplete cube). It's also nowhere near the size of Julius's cube, and completely opaque, not weird and translucent.

>>121787046
>Rin raising her odds from 0.00% to 0.00%
Trying to solo Caster/Kuzuki instead of double-teaming Archer. What is she, Shirou?

>>121787056
>>121787084
I really dislike Extra's aesthetics.

>>121787102
True form of the Holy Grail is even referred to as a "bottomless Klein cube."

Mooncell core isn't actually open, rather it's watching. No matter what angle you look at, the eye is always open towards you. Because the Mooncell core is captured, sealed, and currently blind it doesn't have its eye open.

There's a reason why it's called the "Eye of god". It is indeed a cube, however the cube and the cube is always open watching when it's awake. That's why there's an opening, that's the eye.

Mooncell core is without any doubt a cube. There are strange magic marks on the one Julian has, as though sealing it somehow. Putting the eye to sleep in a sense.

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>>121787153

>>121787137
It's a bad end, you probably shouldn't think too hard. The aforementioned one with Shirou in the tube straight up states Caster got the grail. Think about that for a second.

>>121787169
>Because the Mooncell core is captured, sealed, and currently blind it doesn't have its eye open.
>There are strange magic marks on the one Julian has, as though sealing it somehow. Putting the eye to sleep in a sense.

See, this is where you're making groundless assumptions.
You can't blind the eye of god and much less could you take the core of the moon cell outside of the god damned moon.
It's likely a reference to the moon cell, possibly an imitation, but I exceedingly doubt it's the real deal. Julian is all about being a fake.

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>>121786345
I did. I was thinking about Hephaestus, but somehow wrote Prometheus's name there. >>121785550

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Aesthetic is an odd thing to take point against.

>>121787194
I'm not too fond of the whole abstract sort of stuff mixed in with the virtual computer imagery. I don't know, something about it rubs me wrong.

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That's probably something it has a lot of

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>>121786629
For you.

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Caster Lily Miyu when?

>>121781345
Tanaka is actually _________________________________________mai waifu.

>>121780144

Because it takes time to draw things?

>>121787423
Medea card was destroyed forever

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Summer cannot get here soon enough!

>>121788033

But Summer's already here, and it's fucking hot and sticky. I want Winter.

>>121788053
It's freezing here.
In the desert.
I want heat.

>>121788079

Where the hell are you?

In the Desert, it;s either too fucking hot or too fucking cold. There's no middle ground.

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>What if we took a serious VN...
>And then what if took some random, unimportant side character?
>Then, what if we made her, and all her irrelevant friends lesbians?
>Prisma Illya

a complete insult to the Fate franchise.

>>121788168
Obligatory
>FSN
>Serious VN
>Ilya
>Unimportant side character
>Implying Nanoha didn't make a mint on this premise already
post

>>121788168

Hey, Prisma is fine. It's better then most of the new Fate stuff that's been coming out. That new stuff in Miyu-World is something Fate has been missing for some time now.

I know, obvious bait is obvious.

Where is the spanking loli father?

>>121788211
>>121788217

dont take this shit Yoshida its just a copy pasta

>>121788246
fuck i mean seriously

>>121788246
Whenever there's copy-pasta there's eventually counter-pasta

>>121788226

We haven't seen Kerry yet. I hope we do at some point, get to see what's become of him and get some time with him, his wife and kids. See what he makes of Luvia, Rin, Miyu and Kuro.

>>121788291
We've technically seen him but not his face, and he hasn't interacted with anyone but Iri.

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>>121788291
We've seen him three to five times

Yes it still counts even if he won't turn around. We're getting backstory on him slowly throughout.

Selfishness and selflessness need to be balanced, he picked Heaven's Feel route, and it ended in a good way. Although he's still atoning for turning his back on a miracle and not sacrificing his daughter at the time. He doesn't regret it, but it still means he turned his back on helping everyone for an individuals happiness.

Gotta travel around saving people now in his own way, make up for his one selfish act, except now he isn't alone. Which is kind of UBW at the same time.

>>121788383
He still comes home occasionally apparently.

We see him home in one flashback with Iri, and Shirou asks when he's coming back. He's found a good balance either way.

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>>121788383

Yes, but we still haven't got to see hm as a father with both his children and how he gets on with them.

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>>121788499

>>121788499
>>121788543
>tfw male to female ratio in Emiya household is 1:5
>he's not eve blood related to them
Ruby should just inject with rape the maids serum.

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3rei is actually the best thing to come out of the Fate franchise.

>>121788591
All the other girls turn on you if you make a move on one, Iriesviel has joked about castrating him at least once.

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>>121788383
>he picked Heaven's Feel route
Not unless Iri was killing people on the side.

>>121788657

Iris isn't very nice to Shirou is she?

>>121788657
But if he gets castrated that just means Issei is the victor.

>>121788383
He didn't pick Heaven's Feel. He just quit the Grail War. He and Iri now travel around the world doing justice, after they obliterated the Einzberns.

>>121788688
He's the bottom bitch until Kuro arrived.

Now I wonder how Iri would feel if she saw him shit swords.

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>>121788744

>>121788675
>>121788705
Lot of people don't seem to get what HF meant. It was just a more extreme version of the issue seen throughout, selfishness versus selflessness. Sometimes doing for everyone without constraint won't actually get the best results, that's the path Kiritsugu picked, and often the result was more fucked. In Shirou's case it was a hard choice, in Kiritsugu's choice it was a hard choice especially because of his beliefs and morals to ever do something selfish.

If you've been reading the story, it wasn't' Iri that was Sakura in this situation, it was Ilya that was going to be sacrificed to be the grail in this war. He knew he was supposed to sacrifice her for the greater good, to save the world, but then at the end he went "Fuck it" and took down everyone in one rampage before the parents sealed off the grail.

His motto is supposed to be "For the good of the many", but in one act he chose "The few" rather than the many. He chose to save the ones he loved rather than the masses he's never met. The core of Heaven's Feel isn't "Girl is a huge bitch and killing everyone, hero decides being a hero is shit", the core is going more towards the selfish side of the spectrum. However that's not really shown to be wrong, that as well is an answer for humans. If you go any which way too far it'll cause problems, but despite the negative connectation, selfishness isn't really a bad thing. Saving your loved ones or not sacrificing those close to you "for the good of the many" isn't really bad.

I know we try to see it in our own views, but there was a meaning there. Kiritsugu despite knowing it to be wrong, he threw away his justice in order to save one person, and chose not to walk the path of a hero but that of a human. That's entirely Heaven's Feel. Miyuverse Shirou kind of picked the same path here.

You'd kind of pick up on a theme here that 3rei is all about Heaven's Feel already with both these examples happening here.

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>>121788097
>There's no middle ground.
I'm in the southwest, next to the Rocky range.
I've been enjoying the middle ground for a few weeks until this week. Too cold again. I do not mind the heat in the least, even when it's 45 centigrade. Bonus points for that occasional cool mountain breeze.

Which was the episode where she busts the cutest pout ever while in her gym clothes?

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Girls talking about castration

>>121788921
>this never get animated
>no Luvia master plan bagging the Shero animated
Dammit Silver Link
ONE FUCKING JOB

Fate/Zero is the best anime adaption of the franchise yet

Don't worry guys TANAKA will save the day

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>>121789021
Quiet, bait-kun!

faka assassin card never

>>121789102
It's odd enough that the Assassin card is 4th war Assassin, among 5th war servants.

>>121789102
literally who? no one cares about Gatekeeper.

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You know you want them. Don't resist, anon,-kun.

>>121789140
Assassin Install produce a cute outfit though.
Lolijack or Semi outfit when?

>>121789159

I don't. I live in Britain so I can get in trouble with my local Magistrate if I download lewd Illya/Kuro/Miyu.

>>121789218
>Britain
Why haven't you become a mage and applied for the Clock Tower yet, anon? You might be able to meet Illya some day with the proper connections.

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>>121789147
Isn't it sad, Jiro-kun?

>>121781126
underrated post.

>>121788744
>>121788764
Isn't that a different universe? Cute, though.

>>121788853
>Being a selfish asshole is totaly OK guiz
Whatever you say Griffith

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>>121790362
>Throwing away your own happiness for the sake of a bunch of assholes you don't even know is totally normal guiz

>>121788053
Mid-atlantic here.
It's been snowing for the past few hours

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>>121790803
Go choke on your behelit

>>121790893
>>121790803
>>121790362
And here we go again

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>>121790935
Utilitarianfags never learn

>>121790953
Sorry but advocating selfishness as something to strive for is just wrong

>>121790992
So is advocating self-destruction

>>121791014
Which the other side didn't do.
He just baited you with drawing a connection between HF-Shirou and Griffith.

>>121791014
>The Eclipse was better than Griffith just killing himself

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>>121790893
>>121791056
>>>/b/oat

>>121791070
>As the theme of Fate/stay night, if we assume the Saber route to be posing a question, the Rin route is the answer and the Sakura route is a practical application.
Can't Nasu not contradict himself for once?
>>121791102
Now that just hurts

>>121790803

The message, looking objectively, looks at both sides equally though.

You can be righteous and save the many, but you should also be mindful of the people who suffer in the dark. Righteousness doesn't always grant the best decisions, and saving the one person doesn't always give the best outcome.

The nature of good is to want the best for others. It's just that often, when people spout the ideals of utilitarianism and the greater good, lives are just seen as cheap things to be thrown away or discarded when things get hard. We can pretty things up with speeches and all about honoring sacrifice and the needs of the many, but that mindset can get pretty cold and mechanical, even fearful of risk. Risk that could save just as many lives and bring about real positive change.

Like how Rin's mindset in HF of eliminating risk without really understanding the gravity of that choice, or Kerry's philosophy of just eliminating conflict in its entirety that caused him to ignore children being kidnapped for the sake of a broken device.

tl; dr - the message is that both sides have value as philosophies and ideals, but that is all they are, philosophies and ideals, abstract guidelines. Use your goddamn brain and examine the situation before making rash decisions in either case. Don't be led to believe a decision is right, strive to make the right decision with careful thought and clarity.

>>121791109

How is that contradictory though?

UBW is a theoretical struggle, where Shirou comes up with a personal answer within himself. HF is where he makes a decision based on an actual event, where his philosophy is brought into friction with his feelings. His stance is put into practice, therefore, a practical application.

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>>121788744
>>121788764
Capsule Servant spinoff when? they're cute

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>>121791117
>but that is all they are, philosophies and ideals, abstract guidelines. Use your goddamn brain and examine the situation before making rash decisions in either case. Don't be led to believe a decision is right, strive to make the right decision with careful thought and clarity.

That's also a point in the game, and two routes in particular. If you strive to adhere to an ideal over what the ideal means, then the only thing you'll save in the end or have left over is the ideal itself. To protect what the ideal means, means you might have to compromise at times to find a better result to truly protect it.

Kiritsugu more than he saved people, he protected the ideal of saving people. He had to justify the choice itself after having killed his mother and father, he had to show that the ideal was right and show some fruit from it, even over how much he wanted to save others at times. This is also something true about Shirou or Archer at times. Sometimes it was more about the ideal than the people.

By the books and numbers, Archer says it himself at one point, if you try to protect ideals, all you'll save are ideals rather than people. Something like that anyway. You can't adhere to the system and nothing else, sometimes compromise is needed to reach a result.

>>121791196
Because the other texts says "another solution"

>>121788744
Poor Taiga, everyone is stealing Shirou away from her.

>>121791245
Post citations then, something is usually lost in translation, or someone just misread something and was all "No, it says this" but then they go back and read and it's like "Oh, it didn't".

>>121791263
There's only one solution, she goes /ss/ on shota Shirou asap

>>121791305
I am not going to search for the japanese version of the interview of a fucking mushroom.
It is realy far more likely that he simply contradicted himself since he does that all the time.

>>121791353
Well I'd say it's just more likely that you were bullshitting then.

>>121791245

You can come up with two solutions for a philosophical question though.

>>121791381
But in that case it isn't the same answer, is it?

>>121791196
Would UBW Shirou, at the end, follow the same actions as HF Shirou?

I particularly doubt that. Shirou's character isn't a straight line.

>>121791317
But she's much too pure to do that.

>>121791235
>>121791473
The simplest solution is "ideals are fine as long as you're not stupid about them" in the end. Unfortunately, being stupid about things is Shirou and Kerry all over.

>>121791538
>ideals are fine as long as you're not stupid about them
Isn't that pretty much true for everything?

>>121791235

Precisely. Ideals are convenient in the discussion of the greater good. People died to develop a medicine, therefore, we treat that death as a good thing even if we are PC about it and outwardly talk about honour and sacrifice. We never really look from the perspective of the people trampled by the ideal, who lose everything for it. That is what is so dangerous about wholeheartedly embracing the "greater good" as a matter of course.

>>121791569
More or less.

As I said, though. We're dealing with Shirou and Kerry here. Shirou is approximately as dense as a neutron star about many, many things.

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>>121791631
>People died to develop a medicine, therefore, we treat that death as a good thing even if we are PC about it and outwardly talk about honour and sacrifice. We never really look from the perspective of the people trampled by the ideal, who lose everything for it.

There was a guy in Extra who was about that kind of

Guy hated war growing up, until he realized that war brought about a lot of growth and change with humanity each time. He was like Shirou, he had the abnormality in a sense, but ended up at the opposite answer after awhile.

It's like everyone in Fate represents an ideal or an ideal taken to an extreme at times.

>>121791673
You should reread UBW.
Shirou is perfectly aware that completly archieving his ideal is impossible

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Shirou in UBW managed to create as practical of an application of Kerry's ideal as possible; he knows his ideal might be impossible to play out in some situations, but he'll always try anyway, because in the end, helping people isn't wrong.

>>121791631
I think you completly missunderstand what an Ideal is.
Oxford Dictionary
Ideal
>adjective
Satisfying one’s conception of what is perfect; most suitable
>attributive
Existing only in the imagination; desirable or perfect but not likely to become a reality

>>121791841
fuck 4chanx.
>noun
A standard or principle to be aimed at
or
A person or thing regarded as perfect

>>121791538

It's true, but nothing is that cut and dry. We have billions of people on this planet, not all of them are idiots all the time, and we often run aground of each other because of idealogies.

You can tell someone not to be stupid about their decisions, but those same people don't think their decision making is stupid.

You don't have to be an idiot to be wrong in the way you do things. Look at Saber, look at Tokiomi, look at the founders of the three families.

>>121779922
It seems like she's being manipulated by someone else.

Her dialogue from the bottom sounds something like

DarkSakura: "Oh... That's right."

DarkSakura: "Sorry senpai, I.."

Darktext: "Are you already going home today?"

DarkSakura: "Eh? Oh, but the club activity is..."

Darktext: "The archery clubroom is in the middle of renovations, didn't I tell you?"

DarkSakura: "Ah... Ah... That's right. Lately I've been really forgetful..."

Darktext: "That's good, then I'll see you tomorrow."

DarkSakura: "Yes, sayonara senpai."

DarkSakura: "Until...."

DarkSakura: "Tomorrow...."

*Smug evil face with shiny particles thrown around*

>>121791772
UBW types always feel like this, like "Nah, this route is the accumulation of Shirou's answer from both other routes, it should be the last route at that rate, the perfect mold of both paths that reaches the perfect balance he should take. If there's a path then it's this one, he's reached the correct answer for the dilemma"

There are three routes because none of them are a perfect or correct answer. He's still not over his shit or outside of becoming Archer there at all, however Tohsaka is watching over him until the end to guide him along so he doesn't lose his way. Each route is an answer to part of the problem, but all paths are about compromise as well.

It's like they're always saying "No, this is the complete right answer".

>>121791926
>idealogies.
That isn't a word.

>>121790248
Oh come on. Iri loves Shirou a lot. Remember that her parenting methods are slightly unorthodox and that she's away from home often. You can bet he was just as pampered and treated with affection as Illya when he was younger. Now he's a handsome young man and she knows she shouldn't be as... overwhelming and give him freedom.
Iri is actually a pretty damn good mom in Prisma.

>>121791939
>"Nah, this route is the accumulation of Shirou's answer from both other routes, it should be the last route at that rate, the perfect mold of both paths that reaches the perfect balance he should take. If there's a path then it's this one, he's reached the correct answer for the dilemma"

That's stuffing words in people's mouths.

In terms of ideals though, UBW probably handles the base Kerry one the best. Fate Shirou doesn't really properly address the ideal, and just pursues it blindly, UBW has Shirou seeing the problems with it, but compromises and makes it more livable. HF Shirou gives up the ideal and follows another path. I'm not knocking HF in anyway, but when talking about Shirou's base ideal, it's not really as applicable as he goes in another direction in that story.

>>121791772

That isn't really practical because it's still on the realm of theory. He'll strive toward the goal despite the circumstances, but you have to have the circumstances first.

And the main issue with that is the fact you can't really love others honestly without loving yourself. That is his problem and what needs to be addressed. Living just to help others won't solve that, but no, it's not wrong.

>>121791926
It's ideologies.
Also that isn't about having ideals but about how to archive them.

>>121792040
>>That's stuffing words in people's mouths.

That's why I said "Feels like this", it just gives off that sort of sly way of saying it at times.

>>121791818
>the mortal me
So there's high possibility that they are indeed related.

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>>121777048
>>121777192
>>121777280

>>121792042
>That isn't really practical because it's still on the realm of theory

Shirou doesn't just sit in a room and philosophize in UBW. He takes action and tries to follow through with stuff. I mean the end fight with Gilgamesh the group chooses to take the more difficult route of actually saving Shinji instead of blowing him up with the mass of flesh. He tried his best to save everyone.

>And the main issue with that is the fact you can't really love others honestly without loving yourself

That is brought up in UBW though. That's the point of the date and his relationship with Rin; earning some self worth.

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>>121792087
There's Twice when he was alive, and Twice after he died, little more than a ghost in a sense.

Upon looking at how he died and looking over his life, he came up with another answer about what it all meant after it was over. Similar to Archer.

>>121792042
But you would need all possible circumstances.
Otherwise you just have examples and no theory/ideal at all.
>And the main issue with that is the fact you can't really love others honestly without loving yourself.
Did you skip half of UBW?

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Archer has some special words for this guy if you bring him along here.

>>121791963
Ideologies*

Whoops.

>>121792158

A practical application needs a situation that puts the question into practice, UBW is still in the realm of debate, the debate just comes to blows.

And I have read all of UBW, don't patronize me. Shirou hasn't reached the insight of loving himself or acknowledging he needs to by the end, though this is true of HF as well, so don't take it as me knocking UBW if that is what you are doing. Ilya mentions that Shirou needs someone to watch over him in both routes in the Tiger Dojo summary.

>>121791733
Takes him a while to get to that conclusion. Including an alternate version of himself from the future telling him he's an idiot.

>>121792350
>A practical application needs a situation that puts the question into practice, UBW is still in the realm of debate, the debate just comes to blows.

I don't really agree with this. The entire events after the Archer fight, which has Shirou finalizing his ideals, served as basically an abridged application of what he came to learn. He tried to save Shinji, but when push came to shove, he knew Gil had to be dealt with too.

>Shirou hasn't reached the insight of loving himself or acknowledging he needs to by the end

It is brought up as a subject though; Rin is going to help him.

>>121781345
Tanaka is Taiga that has been trained by the Einzbern (Kiritsugu) to defeat Ainswort.

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>>121792350
>Shirou hasn't reached the insight of loving himself or acknowledging he needs to by the end,
How is that even supposed to be portrayed?

>>121791930

Seems so. If she thinks she is back in school, then yeah, she is really far gone and explains why Shirou is surprised to even see her here. Likely been stored away for a long time in the dark if that is the case.

>>121792495
She behaves more like a construct than a person though.

>>121792556
Shirou loves himself at least once every day though.

>>121791926
But stupid people have the tendencies to get into important positions.
I may remind of the meatgrinder that was WW1 with battles like Paschendale and Somme

>>121792614
Then she is gender bender Zouken.

>>121792556
He masturbates to a sword.

>>121792840
UBW straight up features sword NTR. Kanshou and Bakuya basically steal Shirou away from Caliburn.

>>121792914
Caliburn a shit.
Only second to the Shadow in being a shitty plot-device

>>121792939
You keep saying this hoping it'll catch on each time.

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>>121792999
>It's just one guy with that opinion

>>121793052
That says it in that exact way each time any time one of those two things are mentioned, yes.

You won't typically have someone saying the exact same one opinion like that when it relates to such a small thing.

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>>121793084
>You won't typically have someone saying the exact same one opinion like that when it relates to such a small thing.
Well let's see
>wormslut
>Old men for money
>Season 2 doesn't exist
>pic related
etc.
How new are you?

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>>121792914
Caliburn is shit and used goods, Kanshou and Byakuya are the only ones Shirou truly loves. It's Excalibur, Caliburn and NLBW trying to NTR him.

>>121793193
That big dark NLBW dick though.

>>121793228
Fuck off, Shirou isn't a cuck like Berserker's weapons.

Excalibur Image seems to mean something special to the guy.

As a note, Excalibur Image is not Excalibur, it feels more like a homage to one who once sought and respected in a way. Even the name and ruby text name kind of give it away.

Kansho and Bakuya are his standards, his coke classic, his forever girl.

He's got a few others that mean something special to him, like Caliburn or Hrunting.

>>121793617
Excalibur image exists because the animators created it and Nasu didn't want to waste it even though Archer can't project Excalibur.

>>121793723
>even though Archer can't project Excalibur.

You don't seem to get how it works, or are just quick to put it down for your own means.

>- Sword F/SN Archer projects = "似たような性能の、型落ち宝具". (from CM3)
>Sword EXTRA Archer projects = "劣化品" (from EM)

In F/SN he can project something, but it's so far gone it can't be called Excalibur anymore. In Extra he can project something, but it's barely within margins to be called Excalibur. It's about semantics; he can project it always, but the difference is how badly its degraded to actually be called something anymore. This has always been established, it's not just "He can't do it" like you're saying. Rather by his own standards, it can't be called Excalibur anymore.

Excalibur Image is "The Eternally Distant Golden Blade", that which always remains out of reach, but he reaches out for in his own way. Even when using it in CCC, the phrase he shouts at the time is-

>"May this light reach the king who never can be reached. Can you withstand this fragment of a true holy sword?"

You're clearly glazing over this as "Doesn't count" in a way, without looking into all of the symbolism and meaning Nasu put into it when he made it canon that Archer could do this in the Mooncell. It's not that Nasu even really changed much, Shirou could always project something as shown in HF and was retconned later, but now he decided "Well, it was always too degraded to count, but now it sort of counts, but only in this one instance".

>>121793953
>In EXTRA, the conditions for where wrought iron is possible are boosted so projection of holy-sword class weaponry is possible, though their performance is inferior.
>Okay truth is, I was surprised to find that the staff in charge of the 3D had made animation for Excalibur being projected while I was looking the other way.
>Well it is new animation after all and there's no reason to reject it. So long as it's a degraded version, I guess it's okay.

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>>121794065
I give you far more indepth quotes, and you act like I don't have something that could simply be taken off the wiki at will. I tell you something from the official materials saying the difference between what he traces in F/SN and in Extra, and you just say the exact same thing you said before.

That shit was already on the page I was looking at, you clearly had already read it, posting it wasn't about to change my point, if you had read what I was saying you'd see I noted that as well. Seems you can only say one thing and keep repeating it though.

>>121794242
I say that Nasu never intended for Archer to project Excalibur/Excalibur image in Extra.
And in that quote he straight out admits that it's only in the game because the Animators fucked up.

>>121786803
But Drei Illya would need 3 magic wands?

>>121794627
Oh she will wield three wands.

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>I want to marry the little girl
What the hell is going on. What is this.

>>121795725
pedophilia

>>121795800
But it never happened to me before. I reread FSN to prepare to read Prisma and suddenly I want to marry the little cup.

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>>121795895
It seems like you're a pedophile.
Seek therapy