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How do you think Kiritsugu would react if he came back to life

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How do you think Kiritsugu would react if he came back to life and found out Saber, Shirou, and Rin went to go hit some homers at the batting cages in the middle of the holy grail war?
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He would start trying to destroy the grail again.
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>>121740678
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>>121740722
I want to save that, but at the same time I don't because I really like Saber and that picture is fucked up, although I laughed when I saw it.
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>>121740678

Better question. How would Kerry react if he came back to life and found Shirou living harem-style with Rin, Sakura, Saber, Rider, Ilya, Bazett, and occasionally Luvia.
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>>121741737
Only Illya is approved amongst the girls. Everyone is booted out.
Seiba is a tool.
Rin, Bazette and Luvia are typical mages so no go.
Something's off with Sakura.
Caren would be the best to screw with Kerry since she's Kirei 2.0
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King of cucks, go hold Kerry's dick like the beta you are.
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>>121740678
Don't worry, don't worry, Fuji-nee will handle him just fine.
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>>121740716
>kiritsugu and shirou working together, killing mages and destroying the grail
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>>121742551
I had to stop for a second to think of what is wrong with that idea.

I realized that it wouldn't be them killing people. Shirou would basically convince Kiritsugu that he can be a superhero one last time.

Unless we got the MoS ending, in which case Kiritsugu would just straight up convince Shirou how to get shit done but I doubt it would be the ending.
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>>121742595
Shirou doesn't think of magi as human and has no qualms about killing them if it's necessary.
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Fire a rocket at the batting cages and start crying m-muh ideals.
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He'd be pretty pissed
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>>121742630
Wrong, he has no qualms about killing SERVANTS if necessary. They're already dead.
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>>121742551
>Implying that seeing Kerry's pcycho murder spree mode wouldent crush Shirou's warped naive soul into dust.
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>>121745359
He's fine killing anyone that he's convinced he has to. That being anyone threatening the innocent. Otherwise he wouldn't have been willing to kill Kirei. Archer's whole backstory is that he became way worse than Kiritsugu just by natural progression of efficiency.
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>>121745400
Have you even read the VN?
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>>121745359
That's literally the opposite of Shirou's viewpoint though. Shirou would defend a fucking vampire if they were innocent. And he would be willing to kill the person trying to kill them if he had to.
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People forget that Kiritsugu after his dreams and life were broken, he became a pretty chill or open guy in a way. Lot more accepting of everything.

Still has his instinct and a fraction of the ability, but something really toned down after he lost it all.
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Kiritsugu wouldn't be so Mind of Steel anymore, there's just nothing left to him in a way. His dream died along with half the town in a fire. In his last moments a bit of wistfulness escaped his lips once more.

He worried about his kid, didn't want him to turn out like him at all, be a hero at all, but in those last moments he was like "At least he won't turn out like me". Shirou didn't understand a lot of the conversation from Kiritsugu's point of view as it was shown in Zero epilogue.

Guy doesn't want Shirou to be like him, Kiritsugu's abilities are fucked, all he can sort of do is watch. He'll watch over Shirou's path for now and see if he can do it.
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>>121745673
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>>121745612
To be fair you'd be broken too if you'r lifes ambition cost you everything and left you with nothing but the bitter knowledge that you were doomed from the start.

The grail didnt just show Kerry's world of peace and happiness to be impossible it broke down all his self righteous delusions that all the sacrifices atrocities and the mountain of innocents he killed would be made up for if he could make the world a better place.

Kerry was a monster with insane goals but after the war all that was left was a shitty dad who lost his hot waifu and his cute loli daughteru..... all he had left was a mentally disturbed kid he took in.

And then he dumped the same shit that destroyed him on the kid....

Only Gendo beats him on Best Dad Evar points.
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>>121745744
Dumping stuff on Shirou was pretty unintentional, especially if you read the Fate/Zero side of that conversation where he worries about this kid's abnormality, and worries about him following the same path. Those words that escaped his mouth and the meaning of "I'm glad" were different from what Shirou thought.

Kiritsugu's nature is one who fucks up everything without trying, binding and severing.
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>>121745612
>Ich hasse dich

Poor kerry2goo, that must hurt.
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Kiritsugu was a good dad, earnest good.

He was a shitty magus though, any time he combined "magus" with anything, it fucked up everything.

Was a good dad to Ilya for some ten years, but the second "magus" got involved in that equation, it all got messed up. He was a good dad for Shirou, but the second "ideals" got mixed up in there, it messed up.
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He'd probably be a lot like Saber, just sitting around all day eating and chain smoking. Though Shirou did say that he traveled a lot, and all those trips couldn't just be to try breaking into the Einzbern castle again. Probably would go back to contract killing, if not out of boredom, then just to pay the massive food bill his house has accumulated.
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That's his nature as a person.

One who just kind of fucks it all up once an element gets involved. Enemies or friends alike.

>>121745822
Zero says the trips were all trying to get back Ilya. Although some of them might have been "Trying to get things, in order to get back Ilya."
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Doubt he was taking any pleasure trips.
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I SERIOUSLY HOPE YOU GUYS DON'T [spoiler}DO THIS
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>>121740678
Overblown with Joy that he could see Shirou again, and probably apologies to Saber.
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>>121746066

Is it time for

KOTOMINE

KIREI ?
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>>121746060
>and probably apologies to Saber.

He's not quite that sort, this doujinshi is pretty faithful to what would happen.
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Thanks for the upload dude.
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This dump is appreciated. Thanks a bunch.

I feel that Kerry would be much more happy to see illya than anything else. More than shirou and more than anything.
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That's the end, go buy the sequel or whatever.
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>>121740816
>>121740722

Why is piss so erotic? especially when it's ryona-related.
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What's it called and who's the author
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>>121746633
(C81) [Akasaka Komachi (Oinari Yukke)] I Really Hate Kiritusugu! (Fate Stay Night) [English] [life4Kaoru]
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>>121746445

Is there a sequel? That was really nice.
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How would Kerry react to Archer and his story?

How would Kerry react to seeing the Shirou vs Archer fight as a whole?
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>>121746445

What's the Doujin's name?

And is there a Sequel? Is it untranslated?
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>>121746864

All his worst fears for Shirou would be confirmed, and he would try to oprevent Shirou from ending up that way.

Arder and Kerry would be unlikely allies there.

How does Archer see Kerry? Does he blame him for making him become a Counter-Guardian?
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>>121746894
Archer would probably either just instantly kill him in a fit of rage, or have a complete mental breakdown, and if not calmed down, then try and kill him.
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>>121746894
I doubt even Kerry can stop Shirou going superhero. If he can't stop himself, how will a broken man can? Kerry would be the one getting swallowed by Shirou's ideals if we go UBW route: he rediscovers the point of being an ally of justice instead of his pragmatic MoS.
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>>121747064
If a completely serious Zero Kerry tried to take out Shirou's ideals I could see him shaking a bit more than dealing with Archer, but if it was the Kerry he grew up with, no way Shirou would back down. If anything he'd want to try and prove himself to him, since their last conversation was about how he wanted to carry the torch for him since he couldn't anymore.
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>>121746930
Some people don't seem to understand these characters. There's very little chance of Archer trying to kill Kiritsugu in reality. Guy even says that he's basically figured out that it's his own fault that he's warped, doesn't hate his father, he's having something of a mid-afterlife existential crisis for various reasons.

He might still consider killing him, not as a breakdown but more of a rationalization. Still it wouldn't really fit him or his actions. Just like he didn't hate Saber and still remembered her after all this time, he still loves his father.

He only blames himself.
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>>121747293
Doesn't he straight up insult Kiritsugu when he's fighting Shirou?

Plus you know I think it would depend on the circumstances. Like, if he was summoned in a situation where Shirou wasn't around, and there was only his dad, I could see him venting some severe issues with the guy.
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>>121745660
Need to save this for later.
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>>121746864
Archer is basically what would happen if Shirou was in the same situation as Kiritsugu was as a child. Kerry'd probably be horrified that his son could turn out just like him, and Harry Chapin would start playing in the background.
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>>121741737
What does kerry have against Luvia ?
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>archer will never see kiritsugu
>Tearful father son reunion will never happen

I'm a sucker for father and son situations.
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>>121748397
But he did.
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>>121748397
>this will never happen
It hurts.
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>>121748626
>No Maiya
>No Taiga
>No Leysritt or Stella
>No Natalia
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>>121748667
Maids aren't family.
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Shirou should be F/Z MC and Kerry should be F/sn MC.
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New Prisma comes out later today, right?
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>>121748744
Kerry would slaughter the 5th war because they are all children, over-confident, out of their prime or some combination of the three,

Shirou loses because without Kerry's smarts and skill he'd get swallowed whole by the magi dick-waving contest that was the 4th war.
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>>121748823
People don't really seem to get this whole thing, on average or in totals, the masters of the fifth war were far more dangerous than the fourth war masters. Rin is far more of a magus than Kayneth, Sakura would become an unkillable monster, Souichirou is more of a monster than Kotomine in a fight, Kotomine held onto his edge far better than Kiritisugu over the years and hasn't degraded that far, Shirou is a monster yet naive, Bazett would kill Kiritsugu for sure, they're all far bigger monsters than the fourth war that might challenge servants at times compared to the fourth war were no one could hope to look at a servant wrong.

People are always quick to say "Man the fifth war guys would suck compared to the fourth war guys, Kiritsugu would beat them in one night" without realizing how foolish that one statement is at all. Tokiomi was noted to be a mediocre magus, Uryuu wasn't a magus at all, Waver was a bottom of the barrel magus, the only threat was Kotomine.
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>>121748948
You're right, in a straight fight all of the 5th War Masters are superior.

But when does Kiritsugu EVER get involved in a straight fight? When half of the Masters in the 5th War are still actively attending high school during the War it's probably not going to end well for them. One sniper shot to the head knocks out Shinji, Sakura, Rin because they're never shown to actively defend themselves from such a weapon.

Rin may be a better mage than Kayneth, but there's nothing to suggest she's smarter in a fight and she has even less defence against Origin Bullets than Kayneth did. Meanwhile, Illya is basically the perfect target for Kerry's strategy of "distract the Servant with Saber and 1v1 the master" because she treats Berserker like a Pokemon. Hell, he could probably leave her alive for a bit and let Berserker kill off a few of the enemy before doing it.

Additionally, assuming that Kerry gets Avalon from Saber (and assuming this is a world where he kept his skill up since he's joined the War) I see no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to match Shouichirou when it's been canonically stated that Kiritsugu with 4x Time Alter could've matched a Servant as well.

The claim that Kiritsugu would win in a single night is very flawed, but I think it's highly likely he'd win in any situation that doesn't involve Bazett.
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OP's topic is very reddit-like.
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>>121749290
>One sniper shot to the head knocks out Shinji, Sakura, Rin because they're never shown to actively defend themselves from such a weapon.

They have a servant guarding them at all times, it's noted that Sakura developed spider-sense from nearly being killed for years as well. if Sakura had Rider then she would block the bullet, if she didn't have Rider then Kiritsugu would not target her. Shinji would probably die.

>Rin may be a better mage than Kayneth, but there's nothing to suggest she's smarter in a fight and she has even less defence against Origin Bullets than Kayneth did.

None of Kayneth's fighting style could be called smart, it was just "having a good toy". The reason origin bullets could never work on her is because her circuits are not engaged in releasing mana, she has mana already stored as portable bombs called gems. It's like Kotomine's command seal magic strategy, it's the reason Kiritsugu could not actually damage his circuits during the fight at all. His origin bullets are entirely sealed off here, and she's a better magus not just in fighting power, but strategy and usage if applied.

Archer would block the bullet and be on his ass in seconds.

>I see no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to match Shouichirou when it's been canonically stated that Kiritsugu with 4x Time Alter could've matched a Servant as well.

The one method for killing someone who has Avalon is blowing up the brain, Souichirou's technique revolves against attacking the brain. When buffed by Caster he can fight directly against Saber in combat. Which is a fear far higher than Kotomine at his prime, and far higher in technique, power, speed than 4x Time Alter. It's shown he's above either Kiritsugu or Kotomine at their prime when buffed, and above Kotomine even when he isn't buffed.

It's like people don't realize the various flaws here while hyping their one guy.
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>>121749335
because of the way I have 4chan set up I thought this topic was

"How do you think Kiritsugu would react if he came?"

Kinda disappointed
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>>121749420
I wonder how well Kerry would do if he fought in tandem with Saber instead of using her and his wife as a distraction. He prefers playing the marksman more, but he's no slouch in straight up combat either. If he's also in the fray laying about with his Calico and whatever that single shot rifle thing was in conjunction with Saber, that might make things play out different. The sniper routine was only used because it was the best strategy for his opponents. Maybe a direct combat approach would be better this time?
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>>121748760
Please let this be true.
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>>121749801
Different wars, different methods I suppose

Biggest issue is finding out everyone's angle during those two weeks in order to take them out effectively.
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>>121750306
He'd probably just lob a round into the classroom to take out Kuzuki when Caster is up at Ryuudo doing spooky shit, and get Saber to take out Rider in a straight up fight if he couldn't do the same thing to Shinji. Tohsaka would be a huge pain in the ass, though he'd probably have a strategy to exhaust her jewel supply and then go for the kill with an Origin Bullet, which would still be dodgy. Illya would probably fuck him up because he couldn't bear to kill his daughter, and Berserker is strong as fuck. Kotomine, despite being slower then when he was young, has two servants, one of which is fucking Gilgamesh, so I cant really see victory here.
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>>121750496
Getting anywhere close to Kuzuki probably isn't good, and Caster can react faster than a Gandr shot would hit him in order to save him. You need to be especially careful there.

Killing Rider should be easy enough, taking down Rin should be doable depending on his strategy.

Just like during the fourth war though, he'd let certain people alive in order to get them to beat Berserker. Just like how he left Berserker alive during the fourth war to fight Gilgamesh.
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>>121750539
Actually his strategy isn't too far from Caster's in a way

They might work together at one point
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>>121750539
He'd probably just blow up the whole school and get both of them at once.
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>>121748667
>maiya
>Allowing your husband's mistress/slave for life to live with you

iri would never let that happen.
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>>121750569
>He'd probably just blow up the whole school and get both of them at once.
He's shown that he's not adverse to sacrificing other people if it's a means to an end, but I don't think he'd go that far. In fact, I might be misremembering, but didn't he evacuate Kayneth's fun house before blowing it up?
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>>121751166
Yeah, though he knew that he'd still be inside when the bombs went off. Maybe he'd force the secretary to call Kuzuki and Shinji down to the office before setting off the claymores he'd hidden there to minimize casualties.
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Why is Shirou such a shit, /a/?
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>>121747293
He'd kill Kerry in a heartbeat if he felt it would undo his own existance much like what he planned to do with Shirou.

While he would recognize his own fault in taking such a naive ideal to it's logical extreme's what he hate's isnt the ideal itself it's his own obcessive stubborn nature that refused to even consider that the path he was walking coould be wrong untill his own soul was as blackend and empty as his fathers.
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>>121751166
The first thing he say's after calling in that bomb scare was im going soft.
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>>121751449
Because people keep thinking 'Distorted' = 'Edgegod McLeatherpants' when what it actually means is he's so utterly and completely insane that mentally he can't be defined as human.
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>>121754855

I don't give a fuck about that he lost Saber. What a fuckass.
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>>121754855
>Edgegod McLeatherpants
Is Shirou the leatherman?
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>>121754400
He never actually thought that was a true possibility. He was just using it as a cheap reason to kick his own ass due to being emo.
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>>121754928
Saber is shit anyway, Shirou is at his best without relying on Saber.
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>>121754928
Not that Saber would be of any use to him anymore. All she does in UBW is job.
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>>121754935
No he's Lord Asscape.
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>>121754928
>Caring about a cuck
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>>121755033
Saber didn't care and you shouldn't as well.
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>>121755136
>b-b-but she didn't care

Canon cuck deal with it.
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>>121755180

It was a political marriage and she gave the dickings she had to. Slut's free to sleep around after that all she wants.
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>>121755221
>Slut's free to sleep around after that all she wants.

Did a good job fucking blacks, pigs, and dogs.
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>>121755247
Yeah Shirou just loves having other peoples swords in him.
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So I haven't played the VN but does Saber get saved somehow or at least get some kind of consolation prize?
Because she may be a dickgirl cuck but she's mai dickgirl cuck.
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>>121755392
Caster fucks her in the ass.
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>>121755436

Dropped.
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>>121755490
>not wanting to see Saber get fucked in the ass
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>>121755602

I don't mind seeing her getting fucked in the ass if at least she comes out of it alright and is saved somehow.
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>>121756007
Indeed she does, then she gets mindfucked by Archer. At least Rin becomes her master when she does get saved.
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>>121756039
I can live with that.
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>>121755392
She might get some Rin pussy in one of the endings.
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>>121741818
>Only Illya is approved amongst the girls. Everyone is booted out.
Ilya end true end.
Kerry is a man of taste.
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>>121756643
Man of taste who struggles with anything other than the colour black lol.
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>>121756948
Can't argue with that one.
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>>121741818
>Rin
>typical magus
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>>121745413
That was post death.
Alaya is a bitch
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>>121756076
Well she takes a nose-dive in intelligence
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>>121745916
>Emiya Shirou-san, once nearly died when killed
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>>121758089
Are they talking about HF ending?
This one was probably when he was closest to really dying.
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>>121746398
>>121746339
>those last panels
It hurts.
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>>121757912

Who?
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>>121758459
it hurts it hurts ithurts ithurts ithursithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurts!!!
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>>121757912
What do you mean by that?
I seriously don't get it. I don't remember Saber becoming stupid at any point during the VN.
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>>121758138
The prologue.
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>>121759078
Oh, that one.
Yeah, I guess it counts.
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>>121758138
Since they're talking about Illya, probably the Berserker attack that almost split him in half.
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>>121751449
This is Saber's face after being told that she'll have to let Caster dress her up next season. Hopefully she doesn't look as pathatic as she did in the deen movie when she tries to challenge Archer.
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>>121759176
Shirous occasionally don't die when they are killed.
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You know, It kinda makes me wonder why in HF true they found that Tsukihime character to make a body to house Shirou's soul but why was that solution off the table for IIya?
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Who is red man?
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>>121759176
>>121759078
You know what? Never mind it.
"Once" is a goddamn understatement. Pretty much the whole novel is Shirou BARELY clinging to life and trying to stand up while his intestines are falling out anyway.
You would almost think Fate was some obscure torture porn based on that.
Pretty much the whole novel is him being killed and not dying. There's no way to know which one "almost-death" of his they were talking about here with absolute confidence. Too much options.
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Is it ever explained in Stay/Night how Kiritsugu died?

If so, don't tell me how, I'm just curious if it's ever elaborated upon. I just recently started Stay/Night.
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>>121759334
Shirou.
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>>121759515
Grail cancer.
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>>121759277
I don't think Touko actually ever appears in Tsukihime.
Also, didn't she die by that time? Or do you mean in Fate?
I'm really not sure, but I assumed homunculi can't change bodies like Shirou did and he only was able to because of incomplete Third Magic.
That is, unless I completely misunderstood that.
How do puppet bodies work in Nasuverse anyway?
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>>121759607
>How do puppet bodies work in Nasuverse anyway?
They work by plot.
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>>121759648
OK, but anyway, when Touko dies does her soul genuinely go to a puppet body? Or does it have its own soul or something?
I'm confused.
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>>121748532

Can you dump the rest of this?
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Anyone got the guide for Fate/Nasuverse?

Friend of mine said she was planning to watch F/Z. I convinced her to read the VN first. Might aswell send her the guide too so she knows what she is up to.

Also I gave her to original version with h-scenes. Should I tell her about them?
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>>121748397
>>121748626
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>>121759745
No, every body has its own consciousness. But only one is active at any time. Any resources (knowledge/experience for examples) are shared still.
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>>121760207
Does consciousness equal soul, by the way?
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>>121760190

You don't bump into the H-Scenes for several hours or more, so I don't think it matters.

Besides, they make more sense then Dragons and Dolphins.
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>>121760282
I guess you are right. I just hope she is invested enough before the first h-scene that it wont make her drop it.
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>>121760282
Let him say they are great for comedic value.
Nobody takes Nasu sex seriously anyway.
In the worst case she can Ctrl through it, it's not that long.
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>>121760325

By the time you hit it, you're pretty deep in. You know the stakes and the characters, and you want to see it through. It'll be fine.

>>121760350

This as well.
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>>121760325
Is she the kind of person who will drop a game for a little goddamn sex scene?
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>>121760190
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>>121760388
I don't have a clue how she sees sexual content in fiction so who knows.
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>>121760388

Well that first one is a rather clumsy three-way with Rin doing a weird about-face with her sexuality, just after the Berserker fight.
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>>121760350
>Let him say they are great for comedic value.
This. This is exactly what I told one of my friends who started the VN some weeks ago. She laughed at some points of the threesome.
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>>121760278
There is some crazy stuff with that.
Well, in Nasuverse you can freely say everything is separate. Soul, spirit, consciousness, mind, body, personality and whatever else. Though is was clearly stated for Touko at least (separate consciousness in every body, only one active (due to natural restrictions), and shared you could say "personality").
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>>121760350
>No one takes Nasu sex seriously

I do
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>>121740678
I still just want to know why they didn't pay millions of dudes to jizz into a cup so they could power the Grail. Seems like it would have been a lot less effort than wars where you have to compete with someone else.
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>>121761020
More than three mages agreeing on anything? Seems unlikely.
Here, look, the Holy Grail War is what happens when they get 7 of these. Now imagine what would happen if there were millions.
And if they were not magi, it would break the Masquerade.
Also, didn't mana get transferred only during a mutual orgasm anyway?
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>>121761187
>Also, didn't mana get transferred only during a mutual orgasm anyway?
No, Rin said that they to sell semen.
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>>121761226
Oh yeah, now I remember.
I think you would probably need a lot of semen before you break through to the Root.
On the other hand, I would want people to say about me "He broke through to the Third Magic... using only semen".
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>>121757717
I wanted to be impressed by Rin but so far her Magus tricks look all very anti-climatic. I was waiting to see some badass magical miracles of awesome like Caster or others did but all she does is throwing rock that causes small explosion and throw a couple kicks here and there and when shit hits the fan she gets kicked aside, nearly raped, etc...

Her being a great Magus looks more like an informed ability.
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>>121761187
>>121761226
Mutual orgasm was to get down the natural magic resistance.
And Semen stores magical energy like every other bodily fluid.
Though probably highly concentrated
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In this universe, the laws of the grail war and servants are more like guidelines.
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>>121761380
Could you be able to store mana from semen in jewels like Rin does with blood?
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>>121760403
Holy shit that's gotten big
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>>121761336
What exactly would be a "magical miracle" for you?
Because all Caster does is shoot beams and send in cannon-fodder.
>small explosion
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>>121761425
I would assume so yeah if you could find a way
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>>121761424
More like, there aren't laws but rules and shit ton of exceptions to every single one of them
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>>121740678
Probably make saber take care of his golden retriever, if anything.
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>>121761336
Well, if you weren't impressed by what she pulled in Fate, I don't know what to tell you. Also
>Gemsword
>anti-climatic
Have you read HF.
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>>121761467
I would the way is already found. Rin somehow extracts the mana from blood to jewels, right? The same has to work for other substances too.
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>>121746501
Why is Ryona so arousing?
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>>121761488

Please. Not you again. Fucking ruined the last thread.

We're not even talking about Saber. This is a Kerry thread. Fuck off.
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>>121761512
Best action with Rin by far and it was followed by best scene with Rin and Sakura.

Fuck, I can't wait for HF movie/s
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