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>over reliance on expository dialogues for both plot and themes

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>over reliance on expository dialogues for both plot and themes (telling rather than showing, the worst sin in audiovisual storytelling)
>predictable plot conveniences and melodramatic bullshit (examples from the beginning: Jean Robert being sent on a fleet that you know is doomed to be destroyed, the fleet commander getting hurt right after the protagonist wishes he could take command in his place, etc.)
>lazy immersion-breaking details like sound in space
>2-dimensional battle tactics obviously inspired by naval warfare despite being set in space, how are you supposed to take the characters seriously as master tacticians when they don't understand their battlefield's rules?
>subjective but I found the animation to be really dated and ugly
I never watch anime because let's face it most of it is garbage, but was recommended to watch this because it was supposed to be good and different, not unlike epic literature or quality TV such as The Wire. Turns out it's still trash. Trash with interesting ambitions and potential, but doomed by incompetence typical of a worthless medium for emotionally stunted and intellectually challenged teenagers. Congratulations to all the tasteless masochists who have watched 110 episodes of this tripe while you could have instead gotten a girlfriend or watched something worthwhile like filmographies of respected arthouse filmmakers.
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You're not going to get good rebuttals from /a/. You've just angered a lot of people and all the LOTGH fantards are going to come and shitpost this thread.
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>>121275962
Have you watched Mushishi?
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>>121275962
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Your biggest mistake is looking for something serious in anime. There is great stuff, but it's obscured by the fact that it looks different and out of place.

Stuff that tries to be "series" is basically attempting to fool those with impoverished intellects and without creativity.
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>>121276923
Nah his biggest mistake is blaming most of the faults of the story on the anime medium when the original material are novels.
But it's okay, no one expects much of /tv/.
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>>121275962
Start the 110 OVA
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>>121275962
>The Wire
>Quality TV
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Julian would never bring you tea with brandy in it OP
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>>121277044
You don't even know if LOGH is a perfect adaptation. You haven't even read the novels.
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>>121277426
>>121277150
Does it even matter? Dude thinks The Wire is quality TV, there's no way to take him seriously.
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>>121277150
What's so bad about it?
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>>121277481
>Dude thinks The Wire is quality TV
And he's right.

Now go back to watching Game of Thrones and House of Cards.
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>>121277426
I've never seen anyone complain about that.
Go read the novels and report if you feel like proving your point.
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The Wire is okay, but it's no Wonder Showzen, Jackass, or Chappelle's Show.
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>>121277528
Those aren't quality TV shows either but The Wire also isn't quality.
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>>121277629
>I've never seen anyone complain about that.

Because the vast majority of Western LOTGH fans haven't read the fucking novels?

Heck, is there even find a translation?
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>>121277748
Why isn't it quality?

It's funny that you guys keep dodging this question. You're just doing idiotic trolling at this point.
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Congratulations, you watched the first episode. Even though this is a troll thread, I recommend you at least finish the first season (26 eps).
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And of course there's no actual rebuttals. The LotGH fanbase is full of braindead mongs.
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>>121275962
>such as The Wire.
overrated shit.
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>>121277844
Is right. You've only watched the first episode, haven't you? Try watching "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars," the prequel movie first. It does a much better job of introducing the characters and getting a feel for the world. The series does spend a lot of time world-building, but that just makes its ultimate greatness even better.
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>>121277528
>House of Cards
Oh that show was so fucking bad
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I think you're the tasteless one here if you can only enjoy things that are respected by others OP

I know anime is terrible when approached from that pov but that doesn't mean anyone who likes it is all that
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>>121277906
The Wire is to American television as LotGH is to anime.

Self-important entertainment media for plebs to feel intelligent while watching. Watch actual good television, such as Inside the NBA.
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>>121276923
>>121277730
I respect you. You have the taste of an innocent fun-loving child rather than an angsty pseudo-intellectual teenager.
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Clearly you've started out on the wrong foot OP. Might I recommend something more suited to your godlike intellect and taste such as Neon Genesis Evangelion?
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>>121278102
Can you fuck off tripfag? No one wants you to puke your shit taste all over the place in every single thread.
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>>121275962
>over reliance on expository dialogues for both plot and themes (telling rather than showing, the worst sin in audiovisual storytelling)
Well one of the themes of the series is the political motivations and maneuvering behind all the actions of war. That, and it was trying to stay true to the book as well as the budget already being stretched over so long a series.
>predictable plot conveniences and melodramatic bullshit (examples from the beginning: Jean Robert being sent on a fleet that you know is doomed to be destroyed, the fleet commander getting hurt right after the protagonist wishes he could take command in his place, etc.)
The whole Jean Robert thing was overdramatized in the retconned beginning episodes, whereas in the original episodes he's just some guy who warned Yang and you learned about his past after the fact.
>lazy immersion-breaking details like sound in space
Every space anime and movie and tv show is guilty of that
>2-dimensional battle tactics obviously inspired by naval warfare despite being set in space, how are you supposed to take the characters seriously as master tacticians when they don't understand their battlefield's rules?
Well most of the battles took place the space wall zones so they had a tiny battlefield comparatively. The rest is due to the vagueness of battles and the low budget. In the Conquest OVA they showed three dimensional battles at least.
>subjective but I found the animation to be really dated and ugly
The animation is awful but the character designs are pretty nice, and almost everyone has a unique easily identifiable face, something rare in anime.
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>>121278142
>angsty pseudo-intellectual teenager.
You should have just written LOTGH fans.
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>>121278190
>Every space anime and movie and tv show is guilty of that

Not Gravity (not a good movie) and I think Planetes hasn't either.
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>>121278245
Yeah Planetes had no sound when they were in space.
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All of those are valid complaints except one
>lazy immersion-breaking details like sound in space
What the fuck is wrong with you how can you not like sound in space?
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Other self-important anime you should avoid:
GITS SAC
Monster
Evangelion
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There'll be people who care about LOGH here, so I'll ask: It's been a year. Do we have any news about the new project?
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>>121278295
Because it's fucking stupid. My suspension of disbelief can only go so far.
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>>121277765
No, but there's been some fan translations that have started, as far as I know, none have made it very far in.

Just do a google search for it, it's a blogspot link and the system won't let me link it.
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>>121278371
Sound in space and no sound in space can paint different atmospheres. I think it's fine as long as only the audience can hear the sounds.
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Anime is trash. LoGH is just less trashy than the majority of most other anime.
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>>121278371
Sound actually travels better in a vacuum because there's no air in the way though.
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Let's not fucking do this.
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>>121278413
why did reinhardo sama touch Kircheis's hair so much? was it that soft?
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>>121275962
>i never watched anime
>it's garbage
Okay.
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You are right, LOTGH is tripe that pseudo intellectual weebs like to seem intelligent. However, The Wire is the exact same thing
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>>121278496
>I think it's fine as long as only the audience can hear the sounds.
I think that's the worst option of all
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>>121278496
>>121278371
Also, to help with your suspension of disbelief: I like to imagine the microphone is embedded in the material that's exploding, which is why I'm able to hear it.

>>121278602 What do you think of it now that you've read my reasoning?
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>>121278651
That satisfies my autism. Good explanation.
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>>121278551
If my bff had hair as fluffy as Kircheis', I'd touch it too.
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>>121278245

GunxSword has no sound in space
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>>121275962
>telling rather than showing, the worst sin in audiovisual storytelling
pretentious film student pls go
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>>121278346
So... everything good?
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>>121278941
All of those are shit.
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>>121278553
>The wire is the exact same thing
How is it so?
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>>121275962
as someone whose favorite's respective of their mediums are the wire and LOTGH, you're a gigantic faggot and your presuppositions about what is and what isn't "valuable art" comes from your own incompetent reliance on other people to spoonfeed you your opinions.

if you didn't understand any of that, i'll put it in simple layman terms for you: you're an arrogant prick who feels like he is actually more knowledgeable than he really is.

"I never watch anime because let's face it most of it is garbage,..."

unbelievably stupid and arrogant. kill yourself.
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>>121279004
>Ad Hominem: The post
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>>121278959
Then what would you define as a good anime anon? It's easy to just say "everything is bad."
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>>121279145
not everything is bad.
For example, Stand Alone Complex is shit. The original GItS is great.
Evangelion is the most try hard drivel I have EVER seen
Monster try too hard to be HBO but ends up more like ABC
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>>121279069
the type of people who spout off "ad hominem" are as expected the same type of people who don't understand that what they think of a work is actually more a reflection upon themselves than the actual work.

it's far easier to deduce and point out that someone is stupid than to try to explain to them that they are stupid. fill in "stupid" with whatever descriptive characterizing word you want.
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>>121279231
You still haven't posted your favorites so I can say that they're bad too.
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>>121279231
SAC portrays transhumanism and internal politics better than GITS movie.

You could argue that GITS movie does spiritual better.

Evangelion is actually good.
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>>121279004
>inability to capitalize
>retarded assumptions
>oversensitivity to harmless banter
>lashing out angrily
You must be American
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>>121279234
There was no deduction in your post. It was all one big Ad hominem.

You can cry about it but that's not going to change the fact that your argumentation was atrocious.
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>>121279343
>making clueless deductions about the greatest country on the planet
lel
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>>121279281
Can I post my favorites instead?
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>>121279281
What I like is irreverent.
What is up for discussion is how shit SAC, EVA and Monster are.
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Don't fucking reply to it.
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>>121279446
I just wanted to show that guy that criticism is easy, especially on /a/. But go ahead, I don't mind.
>>121279459
It is relevant, because you're blindly shitting on things without providing proper context of what you think is good.
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>>121279459
I thought we were attacking each other's character in this thread...
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Holy shit this is /tv/ levels of trolling

>could be watching filmographies of respected arthouse filmmakers
my fucking sides
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>>121279525
Okay!

Kill la Kill
DBZ
Kaiba
Teekyuu
Speed Racer

best taste.
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>>121279639
>could have instead gotten a girlfriend
That's where I lost it.
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>>121279705
there is no way you are over the age of fifteen
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>>121279639

If TV and movies are such better mediums than anime, then why is /tv/ mostly capeshit and meme shitposts?
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>>121275962
These aren't even the best criticisms, with the exception of
>how are you supposed to take the characters seriously as master tacticians when they don't understand their battlefield's rules?
The answer is that you compare them to all the idiots around them. Making most of your characters brain-dead puppets that act in ways no person ever would so that the less stupid ones seem smart is good writing, right?

I think it's not really supposed to be a space opera, just a renaissance-naval-opera. If you can accept that, it might be great. If not, the constant verisimilitude-shattering of having everyone and everything behave exactly like it's set at sea while supposedly being in space will sooner or later break your will to keep watching.
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>>121279782
you can spout "capeshit" all you want, but the truth is movies such as The Dark Knight Rises have much more depth than any anime period.
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>>121279782
I disagree that tv and movies are just as bad, but /tv/ is so bad that people try to escape it by going to fucking /co/, them being shit is irrelevant..
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>>121279865
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>>121279231
>Monster try too hard to be HBO but ends up more like ABC
I though HBO was going to adapt Monster
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>>121279782
>>121279870
*agree
I agree that tv and movies are just as bad.
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>>121279782
I'm not saying that, I'm saying if you replaced LoGH with The Wire or Breaking Bad, this thread would not look too out of place there. It's a shitty troll attempt that works because this is /a/.
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>>121279865
Was shitposting part of your plan?
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>>121279762
How are you inferring this? I'm 28, but I'm interested in hearing your reasoning.
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>>121279865
>but the truth is movies such as The Dark Knight Rises have much more depth than any anime period
11/10. You get an extra point for choosing the worst of the trilogy as your example.
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>>121279942
>le funy epic CIA scnee xDDD so the whole movies is dumb an animes rock!!! :)))
I bet you haven't even watched TDKR. The baneposting scene is literally a small section at the beginning of the film. It's a small flaw in an otherwise perfect movie.
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>>121279782
Because /tv/ is 4chan and has bad moderation,arguably worse than /a/?

Either way, boards of a site full of late teens should have no bearing on the quality of a medium, genre or work.
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>>121280023
I've watched it like three times you fucking hothead. It's garbage.
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>>121279946
>Kill la Kill
Overhyped "it's fun" trash. Comparable to TTGL as far as fanbase autism, but somehow worse.
>DBZ
Babby's first anime, aired on cartoon channels and everyone saw it before the age of 12
>Kaiba
this is the only decent one
>Teekyuu
muh cute girls doing cute things. garbage.
>Speed Racer
Is this even anime?
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>>121280109
Not him, but why have you watched it three times if you think it's garbage? Do you have a garbage fetish or some shit?
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>>121280249
First time I was pretty excited to watch it in the theatre. The rest I watched it with a friend for laughs.
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>>121279145
LUPIN III
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>>121280220
Anon, pleb taste has no age. Also fuck you Speed Racer is a classic.
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LOGH did a lot of things right, but the overexposure was annoying at some points, and the animation quality had a few drops in some episodes.

Also if any of you retards actually read the not greentext part you would notice this obvious bait
>The Wire is quality TV
>anime is a worthless medium
>get a le grilfrend
>obvious /tv/ poster
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>>121279865
Oh boy, I remember when I thought the Dark Knight was a masterpiece. I was such a pleb back then.
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NO MORE DEAD COPS
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>>121280454
I know, right? I've moved on to Interstellar
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>>121280454
He said Dark Knight Rises, not Dark Knight. He's a troll not a pleb.
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>>121280446
>it's a bait because he said the wire is quality TV

Anyone who says LOTGH is a masterpiece is bait.
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>>121280580
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>>121280527
Instertellar can't even be assed enough to
know enough about space and then treats itself super seriously.
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>>121280638
No. I'm just stating facts.
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>>121275962
I mean I'm not suprised you hated it. Coming in with preconcieved notions like

>I never watch anime because let's face it most of it is garbage

Means you were watching this show trying to latch onto every negative part you could find while discarding all positive aspects.

I mean I get it. You're a cool dude who watches cool TV shows, and stuff like anime is for lame nerds which means it must suck.

Maybe one day you'll be able to form your own opinions without too much of a bias, but for now enjoy your shit thread as you gloat over your percieved superior tastes.
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>>121280573
I meant TDKR too buddy, just didn't bother writing the last word.
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>>121280220
KLK is poetry. My biggest pet peeve on /a/ is their inability to interpret literature if the content is silly and it presents itself as fun.

They did it with TTGL years ago, and they do it with Redline and KLK now.
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Anyone else here who actually talks about films on /tv/ and doesn't just memepost?
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>>121280709
If OP had shat on Lain, Kaiba, Mushishi, he'd be wrong.

But he was shitting on LOTGH which is exactly for the type of nerds people should hate: The pseudointellectual ones.
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>>121280709
How about addressing the actual arguments?
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>>121280770
I do both.

Cuck King is the best meme
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>>121280746
I'm not him and have no opinion on KLK but you don't know what the word literature means.
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>>121280823
Nigga, are you expecting intelligent responses from the fanbase with the worst defense mechanism on /a/?
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>>121280788
>Lain
>the type of nerds people should hate: The pseudointellectual ones.
Actually add Lain to the list

GITS SAC
Monster
Evangelion
LOGH
Lain
add Paranoia Agent as well
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>>121280907
You seem to be implying anime and film scripts aren't literature, so yes I do, and I posit that you do not.
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>>121281004
LOGH and Eva are my two favorite anime you nignog. You can't just decry anything smart as "pseudointellectual," this is how we wind up with nothing but moeshit and cute girl anime.
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>>121280788
Except that thats not his reason for shitting on it.

>>121280823
Because >>121278190 already did that quite well.
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>>121281004
>Anything that tries to be more than mindless pandering trash is automatically for pseudointellectuals

Just. Epic.
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>>121281004
Why is Lain for pseudointellectuals? Sure it doesn't explore the philosophical questions and gives answers to them but it does predict a lot of how technology (particularly social media) affects people.

>>121281083
LOGH has too much of a simple plot and theme to be anyone's favorite. The politics are also highschool level.
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>>121281037
Looking at a script as a whole work is wierd but I guess you have a point. That doesn't change the fact that people are usually talking about the completed works themselves, not the scripts, so no they usually aren't talking about literature.
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>>121281083
>LOGH
>Lain
>"smart"
oh god, my sides may never recover. How about you read a book some day kid?
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>>121281180
>LOGH
>simple plot
just because it doesn't try to blow your mind doesn't mean the plot is simple or pointless
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>>121281004
>anything that tries to explore intellectual issues is automatically psuedointellectual
Just because the fans act like something is smarter than it is doesn't mean it isn't good.
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>>121281259
Shoving your pretentious retarded 'muh books, muh literature' stupidity aside, even then they are much better series than the trash that pollutes the usual season like the current one.
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>>121281108
>Because >>121278190 already did that quite well.

He doesn't refute the first greentext, he just dodges it by talking about something the show supposedly does well.

He pretty much agrees with the second greentext.

The response to the third greentext was proven to be wrong by the first reply.

The response to the fourth greentext is poor excuse because the show didn't have to limit itself on space wall zones.

So no, it wasn't a good counterargument.
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>>121281259
It has intelligent takes on politics, religion, and leadership viewed from multiple angles. I'd hardly say it's dumb.
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>>121278102
>floorsqueak
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>>121281272
Alright.

It's more complicated than your average anime but it is simple compared to many other works.

Happy now?

>pointless

I didn't say that. In fact, I did say it had themes. So it can't be pointless.
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>>121281189
A script includes storyboards and visual cues. Anime, film, theater, video games. In a holistic sense, these are all literature and government/academic institutions agree with me.

Have you never studied something like Cyrano de Bergerac or Macbeth in a literature class?
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>>121281402
>highschool level takes on politics and religion
>intelligent

Shut up. Just shut up. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>121281374
Maybe but that doesn't mean it's smart.
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>>121281438
Of all the LOGH things I've heard people complain about, plot is probably the last one.
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>>121281376
>The response to the fourth greentext is poor excuse because the show didn't have to limit itself on space wall zones.
No, it's a poor excuse because it's never explained at the time. There's no opportunity for the audience to go "oh hmm okay that's interesting, I wonder how they'll deal with that (admittedly contrived) problem." So it's ultimately just an after-the-fact handwave.
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>>121281402
>politics
muh rags to riches
>religion
muh drugged brainwashed crazy cult men
>leadership
muh benevolent dictator and and evil corrupt straw men FPA politicians

now dont even tTRY to defend that drivel lain
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>>121281565
No one is saying the plot is bad. It isn't. It's just not complicated.
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>>121281505
>"shut up"
>a refutation
good one kid, how about you tell me about your PhD that's letting you make these claims
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When is Japan going to adapt Caesar's Commentaries or The Gallic Wars into an anime?

Starring little girls
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>>121280220

But all of those shows show rather than telling, which is apparently your metric
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>>121281630
>hurr durr PhD
Anyone who did highschool politics can understand LOTGH. It's not intelligent when it comes to politics and religion by any means.

Still, the execution isn't bad. So if you want to praise that, go ahead.
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>>121281481
A script can include storyboards, but storyboards are by definition not literature. An anime script can be literature, but an anime itself is by definition not literature. Videogames definitely aren't, because even though they have scripts. most of the time the story that the main script coordinates is just a minor part of the whole game.
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>>121281505
What exactly constitutes something as smart? You're just screaming like a kid that can't have his cookies, trying to define a show as 'smart' is stupid from the outset.
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>>121279343
Of course a thread this bad wouldn't be complete without a condescending, self-important European
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>>121281677
The Gallic Wars would be a shit adaption, it would just be Caesarwinslol for 26 episodes straight.
>>121281722
Not that anon but what makes something intelligent is insanely subjective. Just because some one with basic education can understand it doesn't make it unintelligent; by that logic, any classic studied by high-schoolers is unintelligent.
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>>121281753
>What exactly constitutes something as smart

How about doing the easier thing and stating what isn't smart: anything highschool level or under.

We can argue about which higher level takes on politics and religion is smart. But at the very least, you know what isn't.

>trying to define a show as 'smart' is stupid from the outset.

So you're insulting yourself? >>121281083
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>>121281610
>muh rags to riches
more like exploring the nature of democracy and monarchy, the strengths and weaknesses of the systems, and their effect on the common man
>muh cult
more like showing the destability blindly clinging to old ways can bring about
>leadership
what about the conflicts of Oberstein and Kircheis (Machiavellian approach versus absolute benevolence) or Yang and the politicians?

>>121281722
please anon, there's not that much more to politics than what you can get to in high school. That's why we let everyone vote.
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>>121281694
Except Speed Racer. That show is full of exposition. I still love it, though. You'd think after all these years someone would create a racing anime that's more compelling than Speed Racer, but they haven't... Well Redline is probably better, I admit, but they're so different in tone that I prefer Speed Racer.
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>>121275962
>when you could've gotten a girlfriend

That would've never happened

I'm glad I watched all 110 episodes because I liked it even more towards the end

That said, I still haven't watched the movies and OVAs yet
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Lot of hate for The Wire in this thread.
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>>121281875
wow le classy intellectual animay man sipping tea :))
you sure le showed me xD
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>>121278262
That's not a far comparison. Planetes wasn't a space opera, there were no space battles. Besides, the show had its own share of problems.
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>>121281986
>>>/s4s/
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>>121281868
Except we're talking specifically about how X handles politics and religion.

If it's take of politics and religion is highschool level understanding, it's probably..

>by that logic, any classic studied by high-schoolers is unintelligent.

Your comparison is a false equivalency. What highschoolers study is the classic but they don't understand it on a higher level. A correct comparison to LOGTH's politics is what highschoolers are taught about X, rather than X itself.

It's like how they don't understand physics at a "smart" level. They're not taught the proper way to look at things but that doesn't mean physics is not smart, or at the very least something like electromagnetism.
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>>121275962
Oh pls

If there's one thing more generic than anime, it's HBO shows, and they're fucking twice the length of an anime episode

At least bad and good anime alike flops, shit like Breaking Bad gets dozens of seasons and it's all the same

No I haven't watched any of them because it's garbage
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>>121282159
Breaking Bad is shit and it's not an HBO show. Game of Thrones is and it is also shit.

The Wire is very good.

>I haven't watched it because it's shit.
>it's shit because I say so.

If you're going to make a judgement, at least watch it. Let's be honest, you don't have a life, so might as well start watching.

>inb4 hurr durr u too dun have a life

Of course and I watch both anime and TV shows.
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>>121275962
Ever play Tyrian, OP? Soundchairs man, they make a lot of sense.
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>>121282105
ah, the old "link him to s4s" meme.
Works like are charm when you are incapable of coming up with any legitimate rebuttals!
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>>121282333
Maybe if you would actually respond to the post instead of being ebin :^)
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>>121281740
You didn't address theater, which includes, props, acting, and music and song to bring it to life. Literature does not have the black and white definition you seem to think it has.

Video Games, for example, are interactive fiction. So while they may be one of the most complex mediums we've ever created, they are still literature.

I feel like you have a very narrow view on this matter. Like the only literature that can exist in your mind are historical texts and novels. As I've already revealed to you: universities and governments disagree with you.
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>>121275962
>(telling rather than showing, the worst sin in audiovisual storytelling)
So OP is mad that an adaptation of a novel is heavily dialogue based?
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>>121282420
His point is correct tho. Just because it's an accurate adaptation doesn't mean it makes for a good anime. An accurate adaptation is just to appease the nerds who want everything to be 1 to 1.

But an anime should stand on its own.
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>>121281978
It's the Death Grips of cable television.
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>>121281677
I'd like to see Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War, but that will certainly never happen either
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>>121282557
>But an anime should stand on its own.
What makes you think it doesn't? You don't have to read the novels to appreciate the anime.
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>>121281873
That wasn't me. I still remain with my claim.
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>>121282298
We'd have to assume everyone in the show has super-cool techno-magic ear (cochlea?) implants that we're never shown or told about. That the ship's computers are generating sound effects in real time. All of this would be fine sci-fi storytelling. This is what space opera is built on. But no, LoGH is far too fucking important to waste its precious time on explaining the rules of its setting. That's for pleb-tier sci-fi that doesn't know it's not about the cool spaceships, no, it's about the characters and story you know? Every writer knows that's REALLY what matters so let's not bother to exercise our imaginations in the slightest.
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>>121282045
I was only thinking of shows that were in space.
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>>121282596
>History of the Peloponnesian War
Thucydides is on my author list, but I have yet to read this one. Is it compelling enough to start tonight?
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>>121282641
Like OP said, having characters say what's happening when the "camera" shot is already telling us everything about the event that is to know is annoying. Heck, I'd say it's insulting to the viewer.

A worse offender than LOTGH is Your Lie in April. It shows you the imagery, plays the music and also has the fucking characters telling you what's happening. It's very stupid. At least play the music and show the imagery. Then again, it's a 1 to 1 adaptation from the manga but an anime should stand on its own.
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>>121282279
>I haven't watched it because it's shit.
>it's shit because I say so.

Now you know what you sound like to everyone else in this thread.

And no, I'm not watching the Wire, I don't care how much CG it's got
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>>121282394
>I feel like you have a very narrow view on this matter. Like the only literature that can exist in you mind are historical texts and novels
I'm not using literature as some term for intellectual or artistic legitimacy legitimacy, I'm using it as a word that represents a specific medium. Literature is by definition printed media. A videogame by definition isn't printed media, considering by definition it requires nonprinted graphics and such. That said, interactive fiction besides videogames can still be literature, stuff like CYOA books. I didn't adress theater because the core of most theatrical works can be represented as literature in the form of a script, despite the actual execution requiring things outside of literature, so it's harder to define.
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>>121282843
>sound like

Quote me verbatim where I judged something I haven't watched.

>everyone else

You're not representative of everyone else.

>I don't care how much CG it's got
Computer graphics? It's got none.
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>>121282802
Just because the anime does something that you find annoying doesn't mean it's not standing up on its own.

Pretty much the opposite actually, by staying close to the original material it is able to stand on its own.
You can watch the adaptation without any knowledge of the original material and not miss anything. It literally stands on its own.
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>>121282867
visuals can be reduced to text on a script. For example: *Kamina points to the sky*
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>>121282712
Techno-babble about subjects you aren't particularly well versed in is part of the 'show not tell' sin that the OP is butthurt over. And in fact, is a main criticism of soft science fiction.

And, considering the advanced augers that the setting has, I hardly find it stretch of the imagination that they could have a system onboard aircraft to emulate sounds in space to prevent pilot disorientation. Especially considering the three dimensional nature of space combat.
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The thing about LOGH is that when a character is smart or plans something, it doesn't come out of the blue. You see the process and deal with the results. Compare this to something like Code Geass, where everything seems to be done impossibly and on the fly.
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>>121283118
>aircraft
spacecraft*

I can brain.
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>>121283014
It's not just annoying, it's insulting. It's not making good use of the medium's potential.

>You can watch the adaptation without any knowledge of the original material and not miss anything. It literally stands on its own.

Fine then. Replace "standing on its own" with "the anime isn't able to show instead of telling", my point still stands.
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>>121282796
I like it. It's straight-forward and engaging, but there are a lot of long speeches

The Melian Dialogue is The Prince tier must read
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>>121283073
>visuals can be reduced to text on a script
Yes, but the script for Gurren Lagann isn't the same thing as Gurren Lagann the anime though. Actual animation can't be printed, except as like a flipbook, but that'd be a massive unwieldly flipbook that no one would be able to hold properly, and actual sound can't be printed at all.
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>>121283310
>It's not just annoying, it's insulting. It's not making good use of the medium's potential.
I guess you just have a very narrow view of what is the medium's potential.
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>>121283172
Code Geass isn't really a high standard. In fact its main appeal for half the people on here is how over the top it's depiction of intelligence is.
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>>121283422
Geass is entertaining but not intelligent
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>2-dimensional blah blah
Typical pretensions faggot from http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/
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>>121283312
Thanks. I read and enjoyed the Art of War, so it being straight-forward isn't an issue for me.

I'll read the first book tonight, and Start The Melian Dialogue immediately after. You're awesome, anon.

>>121283317
It's still literature. Just like The Magic Flute - an Opera.
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>>121283410
And you have absolutely no understanding of the medium considering you think having a character say word by word what is happening and having it portrayed at the same time piece by piece is something that's acceptable.
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>>121283522
Geass it one of the most intellectually stimulating animes
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>>121283522
Part of the reason it's entertaining is how it portrays intelligence. Like Lelouch pre-recording conversations. That shit was hilarious.
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>>121283581
top kek. it's over the top and fun because of it, but not stimulating by any means.
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>>121275962
There is too much dialogue, which makes it especially difficult for me to get through because reading subtitles for too long hurts my eyes. But the dialogue is not mostly exposition, it's either narrative (the story advances through negotiations and such) or internal monologues that tell us about the cast and how they relate to the political situation.

Never found melodrama to be a problem. There are bad plot contrivances, but it improves over time.

Agree that the science was lacking, even for a space opera. They never explain how you can have a bottleneck in space small enough for a single fortress to guard.

The battles are bad, at least at first. They improved when they stopped bothering with tactics and focused on the soldier's POV.

I thought the art was fine, but storyboarding was lame. and with so much dialogue, we mostly see the same people standing around a room. Definitely needed more imagination.

I can also add it could have been shorter. No episode is out of place, but many are redundant to each other.

But for all that, it's the clash of autocracy against democracy, the ethics of war, and how one person can relate to politics. It takes after the first season to get there. It has flaws, but an excellent core.
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>>121278371
It must suck to have autism.
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>>121283118
>Techno-babble about subjects you aren't particularly well versed in is part of the 'show not tell' sin that the OP is butthurt over. And in fact, is a main criticism of soft science fiction.
Well-researched hard scifi (e.g. Blindsight) and well-developed-from-premise soft scifi (e.g. Reality Dysfunction) are one thing. Technobabblers like Star Trek are another. LoGH belongs to a completely different category. It just doesn't bother coming up with anything, either on-the-fly or as an entire alternate-physics whole-cloth to paint on. Because it thinks it's serious fucking literature and how dare we ask it to stoop to the level of mere genre fic just because it's set in space?

if you can't world-build, even badly, you can't write genre fic and shouldn't try.

>Especially considering the three dimensional nature of space combat.
That's not relevant here, but yes. This iswhy there's sound in (e.g.) Homeworld, where the player's role is explicitly the human part of a fleet-controlling computer. It makes a lot of sense. But I don't think I should have to assume that for this show, it was considered as an explanation AND decided not worthy of depicting as being too technobabbly. The explanation that they just didn't give a shit is much simpler.
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>>121279459
>What I like is irreverent.
No. It really fucking isn't. If you're going to attack others for what they think is good you need to be able to put yourself out there as well. Otherwise you have no credibility and you're nothing more than a shitposter.
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>this thread
OP is a pretentious retard. LoGH definitely has flaws, but it's very good overall and does have some interesting takes on certain political issues. Also, if you expect any anime to be on the same intellectual level as high brow literature, then that's a problem with you and not the show.
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>>121283890
>and shouldn't try

Well I'm glad the author didn't listen to you. Stay mad.
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>>121284020
Why'd you delete that? That was a great post and /a/ needs more like it.
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>>121284446
How do you even delete your posts? What was it?
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>>121284488
That link to the speed watching thread? I think it was pruned along with the thread for some reason.
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>>121284488
>How do you even delete your posts?
Newfag pls go
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>>121284438
You'd still have gotten the exact same thing! It just wouldn't be in The Future and would make at least a modicum of sense. The good aspects of the show (politics and philosophy) would lose nothing.
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>>121275962
>the wire
My sides.
Go back to /tv/ kid
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>>121284488
>What was it?
Best troll in the thread.
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>>121283932
My favorites are Tetsuwan Atom, Mach GoGoGo, and Tetsujin-28.
Not that it matters.
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>>121284572
I like my lasers and spaceships. I don't care what you think.
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>>121284625
>>121277821
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>>121283890
What do you mean by "genre fic"? Are you accusing it of not following certain rules that you think it should, because of it premise?

The reason it doesn't bother with science is because the focus is politics. The space opera setting is just for the author to make his own vast original world.

And really, sound in space in both this and Homeworld are mild compared to the lack of either newtonian or relativistic physics, and how small the distances are.
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>>121284730
>Mach GoGoGo
Let's be friends forever.
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>>121285083
>What do you mean by "genre fic"? Are you accusing it of not following certain rules that you think it should, because of it premise?
In this case, science fiction, fantasy and most/many horror stuff. "Not-real-world fiction."

The rule it's breaking is, well, see below. Hopefully that is enough to indicate the problem, but honestly I'm not sure it's something I can communicate. It just felt like a desecration of half the things I like about spaceships and laserguns.

>The space opera setting is just for the author to make his own vast original world.
Then why didn't he make it original? The stuff you say is the focus IS good, or at least not bad, but it feels like it's in space for absolutely no reason.

>And really, sound in space in both this and Homeworld are mild compared to the lack of either newtonian or relativistic physics, and how small the distances are.
Homeworld has a well-established FTL mechanism that makes vague gestures at QM; this is fine. You can't really have space opera without it. LoGH has... well, at first they said "navigation is impossible in the empty Space Wall" and I thought, oh that's cool they have some sort of star-drive that can only work over short interstellar distances. Maybe a limited-range wormhole that conserves gravitational potential energy, those are good. Or maybe the old existing-network like in The Algebraist or Mass Effect." But nope. Never came up again until the point I gave up hoping. Ships just kept jetting around like space is an ocean.

I don't really care about the Sound in Space, or even the Star Travel problems. What I care about is that the creators and author respectively clearly didn't think these were problems worthy even of a passing note, a one liner about how the battle-sim ear implants have been updated or anything. Literally anything.
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>>121282596
>mfw cancelled mid-season
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>>121275962
You forgot

>introduces 100 named characters in the first episode
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