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Why does Japan do capeshit so much better than the west?

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Why does Japan do capeshit so much better than the west?
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Because they are free from the capeshit subculture.
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>>121010029
In a nutshell.
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>>121010029
To expand on this, the mangaka designs and owns the superheroes, villains and universe.

The capeshit comic writer borrows them.
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Pretty much this >>121010029

Also less political correctness.
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>>121009979
Many things, cape comics now a days are pretty much fan fiction and the writers are always trying "push new boundaries". Too bad, they aren't very good at execution.


So now we have comics were people running around in spandex is serious business with Rape, abortions, murder and ridiculously depressing shit
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Post more best girl
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because capeshit writers and artists are hostages of the dreadful capeshit fanbase.
they won't tolerate variety or change to their decades old, never-ending, soap opera
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>>121010242
I don't get this, has there ever been a case where political correctness has hampered a Marvel/DC comic?
Is this about fanservice? Is this about black Captain America/Spider-man?
I'm just so confused.
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>>121009979
Because you don't like capeshit, but you like japanese manga. So it is not the capeshit you like in this, it's the manga.
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>>121010403
I'm not talking about the strict north american use of the term "political correctness". It's more about the boundaries when it comes to certain topics like incest and lolis.
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>>121010361
But I wouldn't blame everything on the fanbase: the publishers own pretty much everything and are certainly able to veto things they don't want, and push things they want.

I'm not saying a shounen magazine is devoid of powerless or influence, but you can certainly feel the greater creative freedom for yourself.

>>121010360
See what I mean? The chick with frog-related abilities is drawn to resemble a frog.

In a Western capeshit she'll just be yet another supermodel wearing green.
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>>121010524
*devoid of power
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the comic book code kind screwed over American comics.
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OP, you should read "empowered".
That's the real (cape)shit.
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>this slightly homo figure alone manages to make superpowers better than any of the hundreds of capeshit authors that did and do write for mainstream capeshit comics in the west
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Because you don't read actual capeshit.
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>>121009979
Hero Academia isn't even "capeshit", it's just a shonen with general powers. Thr only character that even gets close to "capeshit" is All Might.
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>>121010640
Hi /co/
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>>121010639
>He's also a vampire
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>>121010524
and she'd certainly only have the flashy and cool abilities
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>>121010524
>In a Western capeshit she'll just be yet another supermodel wearing green.
I don't want to come to capeshit defense, but there is a bucktooth girl with squirrel powers.

>>121010642
I think the only defining thing about capeshit from other wise super power works is costume. so it counts.
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RisingXRydeen is basically X-men the way it should be. Prove me wrong.
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>>121010360
Do not fucking start this shit, I'd like to see a Hero Academia thread without waifufagging.

>>121010361
You do realize otaku are basically the same, right?
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>>121009979
Because the original creator/creators have more control over their creations even with Shounen Jump editors and execs they have more freedom.
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>>121010524
>the publishers own pretty much everything and are certainly able to veto things they don't want, and push things they want.
they want one thing only, money.
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>>121010680
>and Mona Lisa's model
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>>121010680
>A fairy too.
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>>121010724
Squirrel girl doesn't even have squirrel based powers. She just off screens her enemies.
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>>121009979
Best of both worlds, simple as that.
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>>121010837
Could she offscreen Demonbane?
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>>121010403
>I don't get this, has there ever been a case where political correctness has hampered a Marvel/DC comic?

Yes, in the 50s and again nowadays. Comics are by far the western media who suffers the most from modern social inforcement, since they are too niche to escape from it
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>>121010744
>You do realize otaku are basically the same, right?
no doubt. but marvel and DC can't afford to try new things as much as a mangaka with a 10 people crew. the "need" to make money is not the same
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>>121010855
yes
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>>121010595

I have those books.

Adam Warren is a total weeb but his series was fun.
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>>121010724
>I don't want to come to capeshit defense, but there is a bucktooth girl with squirrel powers
Now.
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>>121010837
pretty sure she has enhanced strength, agility, and super strong jaws. + prehensile tail. Squirrels just happen to suck.
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>>121010855
No
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>>121010855
If the writer and editor's willed it sure.
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>>121010524
>>>/co/mbler
>>>/tumblr/

Seriously, you are not welcome here.
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>>121010724
>bucktooth girl with squirrel powers.
Yeah, and proceeded to wreck Doom
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>>121010855
Maybe
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I don't think it's fair to say Japan outright does capeshit better. One decent manga against a plethora of good storylines. The thing with the west is that for every capeshit jewel there's 100 shit ones.
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>>121010361
>hostages of the dreadful capeshit fanbase
I fucking wish that they would make things for their fans.

They haven't made comic books for the fans for a long time now. Now they are made for and by tumblr who don't buy comics.
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>>121010524
>supermodel

No. Post-2012, she'd be another teenage girl with no curves or breast, wearing a mix of super-spy clothing with a very masculine shirt and jeans, so they can avoid hurting the feelings of hambeasts
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>>121010744
>Do not fucking start this shit, I'd like to see a Hero Academia thread without waifufagging.
why?
keeps the thread alive don't it
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>>121009979
Because western capeshit is still stuck in the 40's.
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>>121010976
>capeshit jewel
>literally muh hidden gem excuse

yeah, no.
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>>121010855
If America is willing to nuke Japan just to win the power levels argument, yes. So most likely.
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>>121010742
Why that boku fairy tail hero became so famous and nobody ever talk about this one?
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>>121010361
I dunno. Stuff like Superior Spider-Man somewhat proves that they're willing to take some risks.
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>>121009979

Does she get her powers from not wearing underwear?
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Because it's not tied down by the new SJW overlords that run Marvel, DC, Image and Dark Horse, they are the type of people that want to make Link into a girl and Zelda into a fat black woman who don't need no man.
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>>121010976
>The thing with the west is that for every capeshit jewel there's 100 shit ones.
Just like manga then.
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>>121010890
>later explained away as a clone
That's not what the Watcher said. Man, people get so butthurt when the wrong cape beats the wrong villain.
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>>121010890
Didn't she fight Galactus off screen? I mean she hasn't lost yet right? So she had to have won.
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>>121011075
>make Link into a girl
I have no problem with that
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>>121011075
Do SJW's even read comics?
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>>121011099
galactus only exist to be jobbed.
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>>121010897
She doesn't even throw acorns. What bullshit is that?
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Capeshit can be fun sometimes. Sometimes.
Pic related, the ending to the Avengers trilogy.
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>>121011105
You would if you saw how the tumblrinas draw Female Link.
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>>121011085
Exactly. So it's unfair to say that Western Capeshit is worse than Japanese Capeshit.
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>>121009979
I don't think much capeshit came out of other places of the west than the USA.

And the USA had a lot of almost entirely retarded comic artists work in the most popular publications, with little options or room on the market for smaller publications.

No diversity and always the same actual retards publishing sums up western capeshit.

Never mind that the USA has some serious cultural issues around sexuality and the like that are way more severe than in most of the west... that is also an obstacle.
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>>121010986
I didn't think this was real.
Thats disgusting.
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>>121011058
Yes, and then "fanbases" who don't really read it will bitch online so hard it will be impossible to talk about it in an english-speaking place. Those are people who treat characters not as part of the stories, but as "toys" who must always be there and be the same. If a character dies, they don't treat it as part of the plot, but as a toy who "broke", and so they rage hard about that.
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>>121011144
Fuck I was supposed to spoiler that shit
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>>121011075
Link was already turned into a girl by Shindol.
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>>121010976
>capeshit jewel
there's no such thing.
i'm not even a weeb, i read comics as much as i read manga, but the capeshit genre is the least imaginative and most generic type of comics books there is.
the jewel you refer to is a jewel among capeshit, not graphic literature
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>>121010639
The only decades of continuity he has to worry about are his own -- and he resets those often enough.
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>>121011151
>not liking genderswapping characters
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>>121010211
This, fucking this.
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>>121011129
No, not really. They just critique what they assume is a boys club based on the wikipedia article they read and what their SJW friends say about.

But then again SJW's rarely actually look into the source material of what they bitch about (but if they were informed then they would likely not exist).
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>>121011230
LINK
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>>121011129
No, they just look at random pages and if a girl is doing a sexy pose or has a nice slim sexy body they shower the artists twitter with you are sexist messages, that's why Captain Marvel was made, and why Squirrel Girl looks like an actual Tumblr use and why Young Avengers actually had an issue dedicated to tumblr.
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>>121011144
>I unconsciously read that manga-way. Fuck.
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>>121011254
>he doesn't read Superior iRon Man a.k.a. Tony Stark being a mega dicklord 3 times his usual self
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>>121009979
American Comic Industry got neutered.

Manga Industry is in the Process of getting neutered.
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>>121011153
Not really. There's a lot less Japanese capeshit to begin with, so the average isn't anywhere near as low.

Even if you compared manga to comics, manga makes incomparable amounts of cash to comics in the first place. One Piece alone on a good year makes like a third of the profits the capeshit industry makes so there's nothing to dispute.
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>>121011259
I do, just not when Tumblr draws it.
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Superior Japanese Magneto and Brotherhood of Evil Mutants
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>>121011254
I don't neccessarily think that's the case, I think there's a serious problem with oversaturation in the Capeshit universes but stories like Coming Home, No man's land and Watchmen prove that there is hope for capeshit (even if all of those were written a while ago now)
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>>121011075
>Turn Zelda into a fat black woman who don't need no man
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>>121011376
all of tumblr being sjw isn't anymore true than all of 4chan being /b/.
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>>121011058
hadly a risk. it's still spider-man, still sold as spider-man which is a guarantee of good initial sales
they still have all the mainstream stuff to back up any potential failure
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>>121011254
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Nips have a little more respect from themeselves in the matther of writting stories, in the west writters and artist are just there for the money, if you wanna read good west comic stuff jump for graphic novels, short series or things that isn't about super heroes
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>>121010855
Well it's tough to say since she's a joke character. Like Saitama, the whole reason she exists is to be unbeatable and presenting her with a threat she couldn't handle would ruin the joke. Though a logical argument could be made that Squirrel Girl beating Demonbane wouldn't even be funny in the first place, so her joke-based powers have no effect.
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I'm surprised the SJWs haven't latched on to BnHA yet.
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>>121011412
I sometimes fantasize about being a rich southern plantation owner taking sexual liberties on one of his slaves, its the kind of fantasy that offends both sides of fence.
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>>121011470
>Though a logical argument could be made that Squirrel Girl beating Demonbane wouldn't even be funny
I'd think it would be funny
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>>121011450

You really are not welcome here. Just leave if won't even lurk
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>>121011458
>mignola
hellboy is pretty great, haven't read the more recent stuff but the first decade of stuff is pretty imaginative and interesting.
and his art is amazing
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are most of you guys from /co/? I know /a/'s doesn't care for sjw but they are typically not this obsessed with them.
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>>121009979
because you're a huge weaboo faget?
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>>121011412
It's almost like rule 34, except less about porn and more about fat black women
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>>121009979
Capeshit in the west died when Superman died for the first time and returned two issues later. It set a standard that it's okay to keep the status quo even if it makes for a stagnant story as long as there is a profit to be made even if it means making death itself obsolete.
Also what can the west do better than Japan? Not trying to be a weeb but nothing comes to mind
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>>121011495
Well yeah, but only if they're basically white women with black skin and dark hair. Otherwise you're just raping a gorilla.
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>>121011485
SSHHHHH!!!
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>capeshit writer/artist does a run on comic
>everyone likes this

>for no reason, writer/artist moves on and is replaced by by a writer who reboots the storyline/forgets certain plots and/or the artist is replaced by some clearly inferior artist.

While I have seen some of this happening in manga, it's just really rare in comparison.
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>>121011454
Maybe not a risk economically but then you slap the Marvel logo on anything and it will sell. The point I was trying to make is that the writers of some capeshit aren't afraid to alienate fans to write a good story.
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I'll dig any other type of western comic any day of the week. Fucking Donald Duck comics? Hell yeah. But I tried multiple times to get into capes and it's just fucking impossible for me.

They just aren't interesting at all. I'm not sure what it is about them.
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>>121010403
Black Cap is the Falcon who's taken up the mantle like Bucky did, Funny enough this is not even the first black Captain America

Black Spider-man is the current Spider-man of the essentially obsolete Ultimates universe.
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>>121011583
some definitely are, it's easy to spot crossboarders
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>>121011485
What difference would it make? Japan is blissfully untethered from that stupid culture.
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To put things into perspective, Marvel anime simply suck.

Not even anime studios given unusual (for capeshit writers) liberties with the characters can make something good come out of them.
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>>121011611
I feel like it's inevitable anon. We just have to prepare.
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>>121011583
It's not a subject here because sjwhales usually stay away from anime, does not mean you are welcome here either, hamplanet
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>>121011604
i thought it was dead after this
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>>121011604
They can get better budget for their movie adaptations obviously.
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>Right became left because a SJW got to write her
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>>121011583
Actually they do. But usually it's just a stand alone complex. And /a/ should really do something about it too, internal oppression isn't really a healthy thing.
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>>121011599
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>>121010840
Holy shit is that Destroyman?
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>>121011583
I think you come from /co/ since that is the place filled with cunts. And you really should lurk moar before shitposting here.
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>>121011676
SJW being all pissed off about something is basically a quality stamp. If they are not ranting against it i almost not feel like reading it.
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>>121010465
Yes because incest and lolis dramatically improves the quality of any particular thing.

That's full retard.
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>>121011577
Hellboy is pretty much like the eastern tradition, it's been written and draw almost all the time by the same guy and team since it was created, holds a linear timeline and there is no multiverse crap
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>>121011676
Who fucking cares, fuck off /co/.

Japan does not give a shit about landwhales bitching from another country.
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>>121011315
I did too until you pointed that out.
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>>121011713
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>>121011711
The fact that there is still a disparity of quality is hilarious.
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>>121011713
I wonder how much people in 100~200 years will laugh at the SJW/LBGT crowd for trying to force their point of view on all of things.
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>>121011583
How many boards did you already tried to raid this last few months?
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>>121011743
Superior Japanese phallic energy beam attack
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>>121011676
>>121011773
I honestly hope every shounen ever will feature something that will cause immense anal devastation to "Western fans", ideally of the magnitude (just the magnitude, not necessarily the nature) of what happened to the NaruSaku shippers.

>>121011830
I for one care, if delicious tears can be harvested.
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>>121011726
1/10, apply
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>>121011790
>Yes because incest and lolis dramatically improves the quality of any particular thing.
sometimes it does
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>>121011726
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>>121011864
>I for one care
Good thing you don't work in JUMP then.
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>>121011604
>Also what can the west do better than Japan? Not trying to be a weeb but nothing comes to mind
Just look at "recommendations list".
Comic books have more free even now. Who draws manga without school setting now except Urasawa?
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>>121011792
And that's how it should always be. Nothing good comes from changing artists/writers all the time.
Also, multiverse my ass.
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>>121011920
Reading comprehension = zero
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>>121010986
That's Squirrel Girl now? What the fuck happened?
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>>121011790
Lolis improve anything.
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>>121011604
>Also what can the west do better than Japan?
I've actually thought about this a lot.
There are certain genres that are common in Manga and Anime that just can't be pulled off with most western comic industries.
It's not like books where people expect to see varying kinds of stories, people are generally tailored to believe the only type of comics out there are cape comics, and if you want anything else you should go foreign.
As far as I know there's no western moe, no western SoL that actually fits the definition of "SoL", no school life or anything, though that only extends to America, I'm sure Europe has better luck with that.
Inversely, there aren't really any genre done in the west that can't be done just as good or better in Japan. I mean, most west things get a Japanese adaption anyway, so they're pretty much on-par and above.
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>>121011841
What's point of this picture?
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>>121010840
this is the best fucking manga, but it gets scanlated so slowly
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>>121011679
>>121011564
ok so you come to /a/ to talk about the state of the western comic industry but you still feel compelled to say this shit?
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>>121011928
>recommendations list

get the fuck out of /a/, newfag
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So when is the mangaka going to reference dark age?
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>>121011790
I mean, people are still watching yoru no yatterman, and that's complete garbage. So sometimes a good loli can make a show worth while.
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>>121011928
>recommendations list
Fuck you nigger, you ruined your board with that shit. Leave ours alone.
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>>121010744
too bad
its froggy time
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>>121011773
I'm just glad, that in all of this, they will never truly win. Japan will continue to make whatever they want.


American animation was already dead for the most part, so while it's sad, nothing of value was really lost.
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>>121012043
The villains are rather dark age-ish. Just look at Noumu.
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>>121012012
So cute.
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>>121012061
>>121012035
>triggered
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>>121012034
You really can't even understand what people say to you, can you? Is that why even /co/mbler whales got rid of you? Is that why you come to a board with a subject you don't know shit about?
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>>121011983
They hired some tumblr webcomic artist.
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>>121012034
You need to be at least 18 to post here
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>>121010986
>that art style
>everyone using that shitty hawkeye design from the avengers movie and Ultimates

FUCK EVERYTHING
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>>121012012
the west can't hold nip comedy like that, here comics and cartoons are a childs thing, and parents block anything that seems dangerous, thats one of the reasons i think they cancelled digimon fusion
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>>121010840

I'm so dissapointed that there's no dinosaur kid in Deku's class
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>>121012104
>triggered
>unironically

>>>/tumblr/
>>>/9fag/
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Cause SJW are conquering the west, Japan is the only stronghold of entertainment they can't crack.
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