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Nisemono spoiler question: if the Phoenix plants herself into

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Nisemono spoiler question:
if the Phoenix plants herself into the womb of a PREGNANT woman, doesn't this mean she was pregnant with tsukihi already, do despite having a kaii latched to her, isn't she a real sister? Why do they keep saying it's a fake (nisemono)?
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>>120817001
I think she was just trying to justify killing killing some imortal something that has done no wrong
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>>120817001

It's a lie and justification, Tsukihi is his actual sister she just has the phoenix merged with her.
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I thought the implication was that it replaces the child in the womb.
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>>120817189
I though it was meant like this>>120817090,
fetus doesn't have a soul so the phoenix entered it.
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>>120818905
>soul
>implying japan is christian
ayy
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>>120818967
>implying the concept of a soul is exclusive to Christianity
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>>120817001
It was a changeling, so it killed his real sister in the womb and replaced it. They even call it a changeling.
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>>120818967
>Implying japan doesn't have own concept of souls
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>>120819014
>>120817189
>replace
>totally looks like her siblings
yeah nah ur wrong
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>>120819102
That's kind of the point of a changeling. Anyway, it's canon in the anime, so write a angry letter to Shaft if you don't like it.
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>>120819142
what about the LN?
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>>120819069
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Shinobu must have no soul, huh?
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>>120819238
>vampire
>soul
m8
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>>120819270
Koyomi has a soul.
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>>120819316
not after the toothbrush he doesn't
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>>120817001
I think they meant Mamararagi was already pregnant with Karen, then the Phoenix added another soul to his womb, making her getting twin infants inside her womb.
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>>120819527
>twins
dude karen is 15 and tsukihi is 14,
they even go to different classes

did you even watch the show
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>>120819527
They're not twins
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>>120819270
>>120819238
It's confirmed vampire's have souls in this universe or something like it. During the latest monogatari movie one of the specialists confirm that the reason Araragi loses his reflection is because his soul is leaning towards being a vampire rather than being a human
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>>120817001
its a metaphysical question. if the soul of a phoenix inhabits the flesh of a human, which entity is truly tsukihi? ararararagi thinks its his human sister. you may think something else.
karen best girl
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>>120819634
it was my dick
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>>120817001
I don't think this is specified, but I'm anime-only.
My interpretation was that the pheonix apparition impregnated itself in mamaragi and imitated her child. By this is standard, Tsukihi is just as much human as she is apparition, but she isn't Araragi's sister.
Araragi defends the bond they've developed through living as if brother and sister, that in her relationship to him she is conceptually his sister.
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>>120817001
Are you new to anime?
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>>120819877
yes, about 1 year in.
I am the cancer.
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Hachikuji a qt.
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>>120819634
>fits for all people on /a/
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>>120819901
>a snail never will bite your tongue
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>>120820012
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>>120820119
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>>120819014
No, the fansubbers called her a changeling.

I doubt the Japanese themselves have a similar concept in their folklore.
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I watched Bloatgirls and they didn't sub it as changeling
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>>120820166
>I doubt the Japanese themselves have a similar concept in their folklore.
Why would you doubt that?
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Why does Monogatari have no climax?

Literally 70 episodes with no fucking payoff.
Where's my final boss. Where's my Shinobu sacrificing herself for Araragi's sake, which the series was hinting at.
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>>120820235
>this is what shonenfags actually believe

go watch some naruto
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>>120820223
Because it's almost exclusive to Celtic/Scandinavian folklore.

The only other instance outside of North Western Europe is Nigeria.
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>>120820235
The whole series is about Shinobu and Araragi sacrificing their happiness and lives for each other. Read Kizu.
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>>120820294
Isn't Buddhism about reincarnation of souls and other eratz?
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>>120820297
>taking pride in reading one of the only translated novels
>being a pretend LNfag

Everyone and their mother has already read Kizu. Fuck off kid.
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>>120820331
I have no idea what that's got to do with changelings.
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thread song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwhjqdSPw5g
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>>120820351
I thought you were talking about souls. Neeberbind.
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>>120820332
I'm correcting another anon on something I think is pretty obvious, not pretending to be anything.
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>>120820235
see:
>>120820264
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>>120820400
That's the problem with using the word changeling. It comes with a lot of baggage and people make assumptions off of that.
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>>120820462
Either way, it's just her soul that was imprinted, not her personality.
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>>120820614
Feeling I got from it was that Mamaragi was actually impregnated by the cuckoo.
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>>120819527
>>120819558
They were supposed to be twins. The phoenix is what made Tsukihi born a year too late
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>>120820757
no even the real bird targets moms eggs, so the eggs need to be there first.

>>120820760
yeah nah
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>>120817001
She was aborted, but Since Abortion is a Sin. Guess What came back from the Void?


TATA~!
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>>120820757
Literally doesn't make sense.
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>>120820760
WHAT
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>>120820999
>literally
Christ stick to shitty Sayaka threads you enormous faggot
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>>120821229
Except it is literal, you faggot. How the fuck did the bird impregnate Araragi's mother? Did it rape her? Is it a male bird? Is it immaculate conception?
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so who is best girl in japan?
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>>120821463
Or Shinobu.
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>>120821492
very nice.
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>>120821425
Yeah, I figured it was immaculate conception.
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>>120821689
Wouldn't Daddy Araragi be a little upset?
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Shinobu says the kaii is harmless and rather than its host being Araragi's sister, it was his mother. Also, in the book Araragi's narration has a line about the existence of the kaii making it natural that Tsukihi's birthday was so close to Karen's. So I think the point was that the kaii didn't replace or take over a fetus, instead it just used a woman who had been recently pregnant as a host.
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>>120821902
shit, thanks m8
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>>120821902
So does that mean paparagi got ntr'd by a cuckoo?
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>>120820235
It has climaxes every 4-5 episodes.

>Where's my Shinobu sacrificing herself for Araragi's sake, which the series was hinting at.

In Kizu.
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>>120819594
Am I the only one who appreciate Tsukihi Phoenix and didn't think it's a bad arc at all? The arc was rather touching.
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>>120821783
I'm guessing the cuckoo knows only to go after those who are fucking.

Incidentally; cuckoo. CUCK-OO. CUCK YOU. Coincidence?
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>>120822228
I like it better than Karen Bee, but I also prefer Yotsugi Doll than almost the entire second season so maybe I have shit taste.
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>this thread
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>>120822327
Suddenly, I feel like eating some meat.
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>>120822290
>Coincidence?
Probably. The German "Kuckuck" is orthographically too similar and there is no pun like that in German.
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>>120822327
>>120822464


Me too.
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>>120822290
No, but fuck you.
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How do people like Cat?
Her personality is garbage-tier. She doesn't even look hot to compensate for it unless you're a pleb easily swayed by big tits and nyan~ garbage.
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>>120822844
Holy shit please just shut the fuck up
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>>120823276
>memes
get out
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I really like all the monogatari girls. I think fire sisters are my favorite, though.
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Silent Shinobu > Current Shinobu
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>>120823639
Go be a tripfag somewhere else you faggot.
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>>120823813
>>>/v/
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>>120823813
>>120823276
Guys, if you've been on 4chan for longer than a month you know telling him to fuck off won't work, and he'll "try" to ""bait"" you pathetically. You have to ignore any and every post he makes until he leaves and stops posting for awhile. Worked many times before, don't justify another shitty post of his by giving him attention because he likes shitting up/ruining threads anyways so you'll just be doing everyone else a disservice.
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>>120822988
Black Hanekawa makes my dick diamonds.
Regular Hanekawa does nothing for me.

Opposite of Kanbaru.
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>>120824015
Kanbaru has a transformation? Are you talking about the rainy devil?
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>>120824087
Yeah.
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>>120819238
Shinobu was a human princess way long ago. (Princess Beauty short story)
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>>120819558
>>120819559
Always thought that they and Tohsaka sisters are twins before lately

>>120820757
>cuckoo
>cuckold
>Tsukihi isn't Araragi's real sister since she was an egg laid in his mother's womb by a Cuckoo
Just realized the symbolism meaning.
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>>120824438
Where did you think the term came from?
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>>120823799
are you me?
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Kanbaru is ruined by being a lesbian I can't self-insert and have a relationship with her
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>>120819185
I get it
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>>120825085
I thought you were a little girl?
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>>120818967
>Implying Japan doesn't have a concept of soul
>What is a tamashi
>Mfw a Kappa stole my soul ball from my ass.
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>>120819331
He still has a soul inside his dick.
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>>120825971
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Nadeko_Pool
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>>120826018
Not after gently walking home he doesn't.
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>>120826023
>"Nadeko wishes for the ball in her butt to be removed too!"
Man, Nadeko is such a big slut, is not even funny.
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>>120826087
He just gently placed his soul inside Senjougahara to create a new soul. He will have that soul until the day his dick get cut off.
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>>120826091
That's what I thought but I kept reading and it turns out out she outsluts herself even more.
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>>120826137
>why is Sengoku wearing the school's swimming suit yet again
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Nice.
>But rather, it was an overly revealing bikini that covered very little, had strings everywhere, and was something that you do not usually see, even in those gravure albums.
OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>You can say that it was similar to noodles.
I CAME.
Nadeko confirmed to be even sluttier than gravure idols.
JESUS CHRIST.
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>>120825085
She's bi.
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>>120827722
Only for Araragi.
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>>120827766
Well she's only really lesbian for Hitagi.
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>>120827820
No, she's lesbian for everyone.
Koyomi's sisters.
That dyke girl from middleschool, Gahara.
Nadeko
ETC.
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>>120827932
Where is it show'n she's lesbian for the Araragi sisters? Also she just thinks young girls are cute, Shinobu, Nadeko.

>>120827970
She pretty clearly rejects Numachi.
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>>120828072
She regrets not kissing her in the last scene.
Also Kanbaru is totally into Koyomi's sisters and Araragi says so himself in tsuki.
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>>120824413
Excellent story, by the way. If anyone hasn't read it, I highly recommend it.

>>120820760
I'm pretty sure this was canon. I can't recall exactly, but it's the same conclusion I came to about Tsuhiki
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>>120828194
What part of Tsuki was that in?
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>>120828529

You don't even have to look in Tsuki, Karen ran away from her advances in Nise when Araragi dropped her off. She tried to get in them panties.

Now you know KanbaruxKaren is only in the realm of doujins.
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>>120829125
I fell you are just talking out of your ass at this point.
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>>120829256
You mean from your soul?
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>>120822988

Are you blind? She is incredibly hot, even outside Cat form.

Gahara even acknowledges that she is hot, see those passive aggressive glares she makes in Tsubasa Tiger.

She dresses frumpy to suit the class rep image, with Black Hanekawa basically being the other trope of Sex Librarian + Catgirl personified. Which is essentially another part of her anyway, literally.

The only ones who really think her personality is shit don't know her at all. Like how awesome she was in Kizu. Or how she femdoms Araragi without even trying.

Look at picture related, without the braids, she is smoking hot.
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>>120829349
I don't know what's going on at this point so I feel like I should just post more monkey.
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>>120829398
Hanekawa with dual braids and glasses is the sexiest.
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>>120829398
Yes but the cat you posted does not exist. She could be sexy but she chooses not to be. Maybe after neko shiro things change but we don't get to see that.

That's why black hanekawa is the only sexy version.
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>>120829256

Nope, it's true, she ran from Kanbaru and that was why she was home so early.

Man people who watch the anime miss out on so much good stuff. Like Araragi using Karen's nipples as a door opening password. Not bullshiting.
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>>120821943
That's not what NTR means.
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>>120829398
>Or how she femdoms Araragi without even trying
Except the part where she desperately tries to make him love her and gets rejected for Senjougahara
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>>120829513
>sperging your headcanon all over here

For what reason anon?
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>>120829570
Twice.
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>>120829474
>posting potato in a vain attempt to ruse someone

Go be a lolicon somewhere else.
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>>120829504

The cat doesn't exist because she is the Cat (kind of, it's complicated). And wasn't the point that she doesn't have to try to be sexy, she just is.

I remember the gym storage scene in Kizu, she all but upfrontly commands Araragi to massage her tits the right way. That shit is hilarious. Plus that fist bump after she lets him borrow her panties. She's fucking awesome.
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>>120827766
Didn't she outright say she liked boys in Hana?
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>>120829788
>She's fucking awesome.
It's was all a facade
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>>120829828
Remember what Kaiki said about fakes.
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>>120829798
I always thought she was straight
And crab is just mannish
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>>120829828
Everything everyone does is a facade. Shakespeare and stuff, you know the quote.
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>>120829788
No anon, not only is physicality but behavior and actions are sexy, and cat's aren't. That's all there is to it.
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>>120829570

>desperately tries to make him love her

She doesn't do that though, he already does love her, he just loves Gahara more. She just couldn't accept just being happy for his relationship, and the stress came out. The flip side is that she also wanted to be happy for him, which we see in Neko White.

Read the actual rejection scene for Tsubasa Tiger, he literally offers his room for her to stay in right after that. And begs her to stay bawling tears and hugging her knees when she leaves for the airport later on in the series.
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>>120829798
Really?

Remembering Hana she only mandatory wanted Araragi in it as usual since he is the standard harem leader in this story.

And who really cares about something which ended?
Harem girls aren't allowed to have romantic development with someone else than the harem leader, since he is taken by Senjou all other girls need to become alone cause they can't have him anyway.

Looking at Hana it's basically like that, author doesn't allow Kanbaru to grow out of her Araragi haremette phase and is afraid of giving her girl or guy real love interest.
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>>120829719
wut
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How would the series have changed If Araragi had massaged Hanekawa's breast that time in Kizu?
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>>120829125
>>120829513
Misinformed by "spoilers"? Kanbaru-sensei restrained herself.
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>>120829398
She's better with the braids.
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>>120830001
Congrats on writing the worst post of the thread.
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>>120830024
Is it even mentioned anywhere that she needed to restrain herself? Because I'm pretty sure it's not.
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>>120829828

Pretending she was alright all the time was a facade, but she treasures her friendship with Araragi, so their b romance was completely genuine. Like, did you even read Neko White?

I bet you thought she never had any other friends too.
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>>120830068
Sorry that truth is such a bad thing.
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>>120829398
>big round glasses
>down syndrome eyes
>dual braids give the impression of a shy girl who lacks hygiene
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>>120830068
I like it how you came here just to post that anon.
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>>120830161
Looks like you are a big faggot Anon.
You might enjoy Araragi's big fat dick inside your ass better.
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>>120830216
>implying we all wouldn't enjoy it
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>>120830161

Now try it with a different outfit.

As the other guy said, she was personifying the image of the stereotypical class rep, but she is quite pretty regardless.

I'd say it was a matter of taste if it didn't seem people like you were hating for the sake of hating.
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>>120829986
>And begs her to stay bawling tears and hugging her knees when she leaves for the airport later on in the series.
When did this happen?
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>>120830090
Karen said that Kanbaru would sometimes slap her own cheek, when Karen did things like getting her face close to her. Karen didn't understand why, but Araragi did.
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>>120830349
That looks nothing like her.
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>>120830426
thats cute as fuck
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>>120830383

It's mentioned offhandely in Owari, it's the time she set off to travel around the world, Araragi saw her off. He makes a big spectacle about it.

She likely appreciates being loved, but that really has to hurt a bit when she sees the big picture.
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>>120830426
Kanbaru best bro
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>>120830522
Araragi is a bit of a cunt.
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>>120830597
Fuck that. Bitch tried to kill him twice.
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>>120830426
That sounds adorable.
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>>120829798
No I think she was asked to explain her taste in men and she described Araragi.
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>>120830597
He doesn't know any better. Shuraragi is a socially clumsy angel.
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>>120830001
>Harem girls aren't allowed to have romantic development with someone else than the harem leader
This my major problem with harems, the other girls should find happiness as well. Occasionally it happens, but not often enough.
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>>120817001
How do you spoiler things?
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>>120830745
you write message
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>>120817001
Why does she have an egg on her head?
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>>120830766
I didn't think this through
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>>120830766
>>120830795
Sasuga anon-chan.
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>>120830780
messy eater
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>>120830006
They would have fucked and become a couple right there and her stress problem wouldn't have been much of an issue. Maybe.
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>>120830766
I meant how you add the spoiler effect I can do █this█ but I don't know how to put text in it
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>>120817001
Imagine chocolate milk. Tsukihi is milk and the bird is chocolate. Two different entities that mixed into one. Tsuhiki is sorta kinda Koyomi's sister and not at the same time.
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>>120830988
Oh anon-kun, you need to lurk more
But you could also try pressing Ctrl+S
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>>120830988
Are you for real or this some new form of meta baiting?
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>>120831056
How do I ctrl + s from the phone?
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>>120831078
Wish I was baiting, been lurking for about a year and a half and all I can do is this
>▲
▲▲
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>>120831206
go read the faq, nigga.
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>>120830090
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>>120831255
Fucking did, that shit doesn't fucking workrypic
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>>120829449
That's always a good choice.
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>>120831409
Fucking magical.
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>>120830680

Once actually, which a lot of other characters do as well. See the commentaries, the fight in Tsubasa Cat was much about getting Shinobu to come out and alleviate the problem + forcibly make him admit sacrificing himself wasn't the answer.

She was the one who effectively convinced him not to kill himself in Kizu, gave him tips in battle, and gave him really good relationship advice he still uses.

It's like you're trying to say they aren't close or something.
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>>120831429
How come when I did it the first time it didn't work?
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>>120831516
maybe you are just stupid
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>>120831477
No, she tried to kill him twice and she actually succeeded the second time in an alternate timeline.

>It's like you're trying to say they aren't close or something.

>It's like you're trying to say they aren't close or something.
Where did I imply that? Because I didn't.
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>>120831516
How the fuck would I know? I don't even know what you did.
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>>120831665
The same exact fucking thing but on /b/
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>>120831946
Can you please just read the fucking FAQ?
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>>120831169
It's a simple three-step process:

1) get rid of the phone
2) acquire a desktop computer
3) hold down the ctrl key, then hit the s key
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>>120831946
Can you please fuck off back to /b/?
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>mfw i typed the spoiler thing by hand since 2008

t-thanks ctrl+s guy
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>>120832029
I learned that about a week after I found /a/ and abused the shit out of it.
Also, you can highlight something and then press ctrl+s to put the highlighted text in spoiler thingies, The more you know.
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>>120831985
You mean it doesn't work on /b/? Does it mean I can orange text now? <
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>>120817001
She's more of a cuckoo than a phoenix.

She replaced the original child, she is still Koyomi's sister, just not the original sister.

That's why the series was basically which is better the original or the....replica.
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I used name, Am I mootikins now?
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>>120833384
who?
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>>120828072
It's in Tsuki and Nise.
Karen and Kanbaru seems pretty solid, but I doubt Kanbaru will ever act on it. She keeps restraining herself/making excuses.
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>>120829986
>>120829398
Why the hell isn't cat the MC?
Why the hell did SHAFT cut her epilogue in Shiro where she comes to terms with her abuse and decides it was not her fault?
Why didn't Kaiki take her up on an evening of sex in her hotel room?
Why is it that Kanbaru is so hostile to her in the commentary? Is it because she's into her?

Will she ever find love? She seems to be on track to be like the next Gaen. Wish she had more story.
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>>120835398
>Why the hell isn't cat the MC?
Fuck off.
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Didn't she just say that the phoenix plants itself in a mother? I don't remember her saying that she had to be pregnant beforehand
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