What is Ayn Rand doing in my Chinese Cartoons /a/?
Remember kids helping other people is egotistic! Uncle Ikuhara said so~
>in other people's satisfaction
That's not entirely true though, she only went with Ginko because she wants to live out the Promise Kiss through her.
If Ginko wanted to become a street musician Lulu would have not followed here
In a 7-page essay, please explain in detail the relationship between Yuri Kuma Arashi and Wuthering Heights, using examples and quotes from both works to illustrate your point.
What parallels and similarities can you draw between the characters from both series?
She wants someone to succeed where she failed.
You've got life-sexy literally giving bullshit lectures about ego when he's given id a free pass all show when the alternative is her sitting in her room doing nothing.
You must think this is a fucking game
>giving bullshit lectures about ego when he's given id a free pass all show
Well yeah they are bares after all
>She wants someone to succeed where she failed.
She pretty much straight up says she wants to live out her Promise Kiss through Ginko
Dunno why you think anyone is judging her because of it, ever Life Sexy gave her an Approved
Her life is empty and Ginko finding her own promised kiss has given her purpose.
That's all there is to it. That isn't living vicariously through anyone and life-sexy doesn't even claim it is. He just says having her success as her motivation is somehow arrogance when that doesn't fit at all.
For extra credit, what common themes do Yuri Kuma Arashi and Wuthering Heights share? How do they differ in resolution, if any?
For extra credit #2, explore, compare, and contrast Yuri Kuma Arashi and Wuthering through feminist theory.
Man I hate English essays. I mean, don't get me wrong, some are easy
it's just the topic that makes essays difficult, because some are so bad they could be summed up in three pages, but you got to draw it out for seven+
It's like a show which could be made from beginning to end in five episodes, but they decided to give you twelve, so now you have to make so much unnecessary filler episodes
So then we're right back to the beginning.
She wants Ginko to succeed and that's her motivation to traverse the barrier.
The only way that's arrogance or pride is if she's projecting something Ginko doesn't want onto Ginko.
Well you're better than I, and I respect you as my superior
I'm waiting for someone in real life to use YKA in an English class assignment.
Bonus points if the professor actually remarks on the paper, "Interesting topic though points are ambiguous" C+
What do they actually have in common? I hated Wuthering Heights so much that I stopped reading it and bullshitted my way through all the assignments. Find your true love or some crap like that?
The school in Yuri Kuma Arashi is named "Wuthering Heights" in Japanese.
Both stories deal with relationships born out of jealousy, love, denial of one's love, revenge, and ramifications of actions taken due to jealousy and revenge.
He's in a better place now
Nothing about it feels Wuthering Heights esque, unless it's a metaphor for Kureha slowly going insane and killing her classmates after her waifu dies of the dreaded japanese cold.
Its arrogance and ego because she isn't helping Ginko to help Ginko, she's helping Ginko to make up for her own failure. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but to say her ego doesn't come into it isn't true.
So it's good fun, but relatively trite?
GAU GAU! DESIRE!
what is it with yuri and Wuthering Heights?
>You will never reach MAXIMUM desire
I think Life Sexy is probably calling her arrogant, because she's refusing of letting go of the past (she gave up the promised kiss (future) for her (lost) love (past)), and is instead using Ginko as a proxy to feel good about herself.
I think the idea is she won't properly admit she fucked up (big), learn from her mistake and move on. Instead, she's trying to "redo" her mistake (i.e. the self-actualisation) through helping Ginko get the promised kiss.
I don't think Life Sexy was judging Lulu negatively, but merely telling her that her actions would bring nothing for her (because her brother cannot come back to life), and that helping Ginko was as good as a self pat-in-the-back.
I think this is interesting (assuming my impression of this whole deal is correct), because in this regard, Lulu is the opposite of Mitsuko, who in turn wouldn't hold on to anything, but merely use and discard things as she pleased.
Now, Kureha is at a crossroads, either she can move on and forget about Sumika, she can hold on to her memories of Sumika and refuse to move on, or she can both keep her memories of Sumika treasured but still move on.
I find this a likable idea, because most stories stress the theme of moving on, but now we've seen that taking that to an extreme can turn you into shallow person. However, not letting go of the past will make you become stagnant. So, you want a middle ground.
It's like Ginko told Lulu in this episode: "If you forget what you have lost then you'll never get it back." They way I take it, she means that you shouldn't forget what was important to you, even if it currently seems lost, because if you forget (give up on) it, then it truly is lost.
>Walking down the street
And here I was expecting Katyusha to become an interesting character.
Lulu's rejection of others given metaphorical form. It flares up whenever the judges approach, and cuteshotabear was ultimately killed by a bee when off on an impossible quest Lulu sent him on.
Who looks at that and doesn't immediately get the urge to hug him?
It keeps people away from her, the only person in the episode even in the circle of the Japanese hornet was her brother. He was the only one who constantly came on to her and deeply loved her and deep down, despite her jeleousy for him taking the higher postition in the family for being male, replacing her, ect, she didn't hate him. Who could not love that little guy?
>off on an impossible quest Lulu sent him on
How the fuck did he survived the box 3 times and where the hell did he even kept getting that same honey pot from?
For that matter, how the hell did Ginko find the exact same honey pot several years after Lulu threw away the last one her brother brought before he died?
>It keeps people away from her
Why was the bee circling her brother in the flashback then? That part when he's in his bear form sitting near the tree.
If the bee means wanting to be alone, then what the fuck does that scene mean?
Bees make honey. Honey is the promised kiss.
Now connect this to the fact that they lick honey off of Kureha's lily as she asks them for the promised kiss. Now you can be confused.
>How the fuck did he survived the box 3 times and where the hell did he even kept getting that same honey pot from?
>For that matter, how the hell did Ginko find the exact same honey pot several years after Lulu threw away the last one her brother brought before he died?
So, is anyone going to answer this?
She metaphorically threw him away. He chased after the honey each time and she thought she had gotten rid of him. Ginko said she found the honey far away, I don't see how that's odd. Glass jars like that can last, especially if they're protected from the elements.
It's a fairytale. The set-up and narrative style should have queued you in.
People do ridiculous impossible things all the time in fairytales and the anime doesn't follow the line of reason much to begin with.
It's an allegory for how dedicated he was to his sister. You aren't supposed to take this show literally. Ginko having it later likely represents how she revived the memories and feeling in Lulu about her brother since her love was so similar to his.
And about the bee, when it shows it circling around Lulu and Milun, it's showing how close he was to her. He was basically the only person she really cared about until Ginko came around, which is also represented by the bee circling them both in the scene where they meet.
but brown said she was going to give up kissing
I don't think I've ever gone from total neutral on a character to worst girl, to best girl all in one episode. Impressive.
The question now is, would you make her hunnie pop?
Not yet. But those rabid beasts will stop for nothing i fear.
The OST in this episode was amazing too bad we have to wait 4 months.
Her baby brother is her baby brother. She feels guilty about his death, because he died doing something to get her to show her love for him, so now she gives love freely but doesn't feel worthy of getting any in return.
>You'll become queen
>all the subjects love you
>brother is born
>he jumps ahead of you in succession because he has a dick
>everyone stops giving a shit about you
I can fully understand why, even if I think it was still morally wrong. But then
>implying morals matter to a bear
The bee was her rejection of others. The bee circled around her brother too when she was feeling close to him. She was affected by his dedication and love, which was why she came to regret killing him later.
The correlating artwork to this series is misleading. The art however is great.
She had quite the honey pots, even when she was a bit younger.
After this episode I've come to the conclusions that co-existence with the bears shan't be possible and they must all be exterminated. All.
Rifles for everyone.
Bears must age faster or something because she looked pretty old for 4 years.
and strangely attractive What I'm saying is I would 4 year old Lulu
I was pretty surprised at how calmly Ginko was looking at Kureha shooting those wooden bear carvigs when in the manga the moment she saw Kureha with the gun she almost pissed her panties in fear.
Here ya go
Ikuhara's views are in fact just about the opposite of that. The idea that you should help people in need is one of the main ideas of Penguindrum, isn't it (i.e. Momoka saving Yuri and Tabuki).
Just because a character says something doesn't make it what the author believes.
You wouldn't kiss your younger brother
I still wonder if this is a coincidence, a reference, or if butterflies with that sort of hair is common.
Eventually as the bears do things less and less motivated by instinct they'll no longer be able to hold to the 'bears do x' ID defense and SUPEREGO will have to be listened to.
I was going to bring up the crown motif a few weeks ago, but it wasn't as obvious what the importance was at the time when were were still just starting to figure out that Ginko had Reia's star and all that. But now that we know the crowns are also associated with bear royalty, it's becoming increasingly obvious that Ginko's mother really was Reia's special friend. It's nothing new, just another bit of evidence to add to the stack.
The way the pink ribbon shows up at the front makes it kind of look like the white crescent moon that the asian black bears have.
I also just noticed that you can see the waves" in that picture but they're absent from the room still. The only "safe" places from the bears are Kureha's home and the Severance Court, pretty sure.
>it's a background story
>Lulu became yuri AFTER those past events
>it is not clear cut SHE WANTS TO BANG HER BROTHER like some retards insist
>most importantly I must reiterate it is a BACKGROUND story, the main story is Ginko chasing her love and Kureha dealing with the loss of hers
>the show will continue to be yuri
>How am I shitposting? It's just an observance.
Blatantly false observations and shitposting are indistinguishable
These little fuckers. Open up any episode and flip through any scene outside of Kureha's room and you'll see them. Her room never has them, though the rest of her house seems to (if you look around 12.20 episode 4 you'll see them in her kitchen).
She still wants to see him one last time and she did say she loves him and still haven't given up on love.
It's just that the story of one of the main three is now completely irrelevant.
>Blatantly false observations
How are they "blatantly false"? It's just the very first thing it comes up to mind for most people.
I guess I'll just say it since I wasn't explicit about it this time, but I think they represent scratches from a bear's claws. When Lulu was alone in Kureha's house cooking they were there, but in this scene with both Kureha and Ginko they're absent. They don't seem to be in the heart under table scene >>120487715 but that could just be because of the lighting.
/u/, please go and stay go.
She did the right thing to save the kingdom.
Do you think that little retard could command an army to fend off the human invaders?
Do you think that gullible little fucker could organize precisely selected plots to sow decent between the human rulers?
Do you think that braindead ugguh teddy bear would be able to select trustworthy bear vassals who keep the vast riches of the bearlands running and don't divert taxes in to their own coffers, because that trusting fool of a princes won't notice it?
The bear kingdom needs a harsh Queen who knows how the real world works, or all the bears would be dancing as slaves in human circuses in no time.
Do you think a vainglorious incestuous dykebag would be capable, let alone motivated, to do anything other than wank off her own ego and actually serve her kingdom?
Her brother's empathy makes him infinitely more suited to the thrown.
He's totally life beauty, isn't he? I mean, come awwn. He just up and dies? From what? He tripped? No, pink haired villain has clearly captured him and made him part of his man harem of evil.
I’m skimming through the Starting Guide - the interview with Ikuhara and Morishima is really interesting.
He knew her manga (he keeps up on both yuri and BL manga regularly) and contacted her on twitter back when he was pulling together the Penguindrum manga anthology, asking her to submit to it. She is a longtime massive fan of his, to the point that she actually initially turned down his offer to work together on Yurikuma simply because she was terrified she would fail and “ruin everything” if they worked together, and she said she couldn’t have handled it if an Ikuhara show was ruined for her because she loves his shows too much. She isn’t sure she would be a mangaka if it wasn’t for Ikuhara - when she was 19, she read an interview of his that made a massive impression on her. She respects him as a creator in general - while she enjoyed reading manga and watching anime in general when she was young, his work was what made her really consider how a story is actually made, and it inspired her a lot.
Some standout points… I’ll probably translate this at some point properly, but until then…
+ Ikuhara notes that by working in the yuri genre, there are lots of things that he can only pretend to understand. To a point he considers that unavoidable with this subject matter, but he thought early on that the project needed someone with credentials people could have undying faith in: “Someone that would make people say, ‘With such a godlike person working on this, I have no choice but to follow along with it!’” He thinks some things may inevitably be a “little off” with him handling it, but believes Morishima’s involvement should keep the soul of the work intact.
+ Morishima talks a lot about how for a long time, she was simply making the kinds of yuri manga she wanted to read herself, because those stories just didn’t exist.
+ Morishima loves telling stories about older women, and so has to constantly be checking herself so that she doesn’t accidentally make Yuriika the main character in the manga. Friends reading the manga told her it was obvious she was putting way more effort into the scenes with Yuriika and Reia than anything else going on, and she’s trying to correct that bias.
+ Ikuhara likes to start his shows by having the mangaka he works with inspire him, rather than the other way around. He gave Morishima an explanation for the show concept that was just a single page long, and asked her to build designs from there. She would press him for more details about the characters, and he would just reply, “Who knows?” to her questions. She started making little gag comics in the margins of her design sheets to try to get a better feel for the characters, which inspired Ikuhara as he began solidifying the characters’ identities.
+ Ginko was originally designed to have a tall, tomboyish image, but Ikuhara requested her hair be shortened to the style it is now. Somehow the haircut didn’t match with her height, so she suddenly got shorter.
+ Morishima is doing her own thing with the manga. Her “invisible storm” is not necessarily the same as Ikuhara’s. She has a planned ending in mind for the manga, but she’s watching the anime along with everyone else. So the anime may influence the manga, and she may end up changing her plans after seeing it. She doesn’t like to rely on metaphors or fantasy elements in her work, though, so she avoids touching on the bear origin story.
+ Ikuhara first imagined the Judgemens would be female visually, but have male seiyuu voicing them, so the original designs Morishima created for them looked female. Between this and the way the novel goes out of its way to avoid ever describing them using gendered phrasing (while it has no problem referring to the girls as “girls”), I think it’s safe to say that men do not exist in this world, period.
+ Morishima’s favorite character design is Konomi’s, and she likes how her ugliness is somehow adorable. Ikuhara says that the whole staff has a soft spot for Konomi too.
+ They mention the bears were chosen as the motif because they are deadly (Ikuhara: “If we just wanted something cute, it might as well have been dogs.”). Bears introduce a life-or-death element to the narrative and that builds into the sexual angle. Ikuhara vaguely alludes to the idea of the sexual being directly connected to death. (I wouldn’t be surprised if the speculation that none of the characters who were eaten are dead-dead is correct - the girls who were eaten were sexually liberated and had to leave the human world??)
+ Ikuhara laughs that there are probably viewers disappointed in this sort of drastic “life or death” angle to the story, and there are no doubt lots of people thinking, “Yuri stories ought to be more light and fluffy!” Morishima responds that she doesn’t mind fluff, but her main concern in the yuri genre is only the strength of the romance between the girls. She doesn’t like to think about portrayals of sexuality as absolutes, it’s the romance that matters: “It’s not like, this story has sex in it so it’s ‘the real thing.’ This one has no sex in it so it’s pulling punches.” When she’s reading other stories, she’s always thinking lots of things, like, “This story just wants to show these two girls all over each other! It’s not going for a deeper meaning at all!” or, “Dammit, this is so adorable it’s obnoxious!” or, “Oh yes, this is good, I want more of this.”
+ notables from the other staff: the production meetings on this show run unbelievably long (and this is coming from ppl who worked on Penguindrum). The show can be unclear to even the staff, so it’s incredibly difficult for the people at the top to explain what’s required on a production level, and meetings stretch on forever as a result.
Comments about the high ratio of women on staff again. “Just like on Penguindrum, the staff acts like mothers and older sisters to Ikuhara.”
Everyone who was invited to work on the show was just told the title at first, and just about everyone had similar “wtf?!” reactions to it (“Forget the Yuri part for a sec, let’s talk about the Bear Storm…is this really gonna be okay?!?!” “The bears are girls??? The girls are bears???”). Someone refers to the show as a “story of meetings and reunions.” Sumimoto Etsuko says when she was approached for it, she thought, “If we can expand upon the idea of ‘making a show about girls, for girls,’ it’s going to be interesting.”
Almost everyone’s interviews are pretty clipped, like they’re afraid of giving too much away, but the main producer seems to be a big Ikuhara fan and is a bit more chatty. He says he was excited from the beginning to see what Ikuhara would do this time, and while it’s a show with a lot of mysteries going on, if you watch until the end, then he thinks everyone will realize that everything in the show had an intended meaning, and people should get a sense of satisfaction when they see how it all ultimately ties together.
God damn based Ikuhara, based Morishima. As expected, of both of them. I no longer have any worries about this show. It's going to be awesome.
>You will never work with someone who you idolize
>They mention the bears were chosen as the motif because they are deadly (Ikuhara: “If we just wanted something cute, it might as well have been dogs.”).
Interesting. I have a theroy that they're bears because they are at the same time an object of adoration and one of fear. Like homosexuals in anime, the "fake"( kind (i.e. the ones who will "grow out of it" and are non-sexual) are seen as cute while the ones who are sexual are feared for their difference.
It's probably completely wrong though.
I am in love.
And a picture to prove your point.
>Morishima loves telling stories about older women, and so has to constantly be checking herself so that she doesn’t accidentally make Yuriika the main character in the manga. Friends reading the manga told her it was obvious she was putting way more effort into the scenes with Yuriika and Reia than anything else going on, and she’s trying to correct that bias.
Oh Morishima you fucking dike, I love you.
>he keeps up on both yuri and BL manga regularly
Did anyone doubt it? It's Ikuhara, the most fabulous man on Earth.
Actually I meant the show, but Ginko looks very gallant there so I guess it works too.
Pretty cool, thanks. I'm glad that we've talked about some of the things Morishima has a problem with and that somewhere underlying the story are her feelings of wanting to avoid "too much sex" and "too adorable" and get something just right.
Also, that porridge scene last episode reminded me of Goldilocks and the Three Bears. I doubt it was an intended reference or anything though.
>Comments about the high ratio of women on staff again. “Just like on Penguindrum, the staff acts like mothers and older sisters to Ikuhara.”
Ikuhara sure loves surrounding himself with women. He's such a playboy.
Holy hell, somebody be sure to repost this in every thread from now on. This is vital information.
Does /u/ know about this? I bet they're dancing in the streets. First Korrasami, now this.
Admit it : you wanted him to bring her honey one last time
He was too adorable for this world
But was he too adorable for the bear world?
>first time this interesting background info was posted it was just a link to some tumblr and everyone was butthurt
>now that its reposted in 4chan people suddenly care
You guys sure act retarded sometimes.
Wow, really? That is fucking sad. This Tumblr-as-bogeyman thing was dumb even before now, but that's...fuck. Get your head out of your asses, people. I don't give a damn where info like this comes from as long as its accurate.
What's the deal with this anime and slutty bears?
No, the attitude of hate and rejection is necessary for /a/. Without everyone here being elitist assholes, other people might actually feel welcome and want to stay.
Why was this episode so good? Those guitar riffs near the end and how one episode can develop a character so much. I knew Lulu was best girl from when she was first introduced, but she was a little shallow at first; but now she secured her place in my favorite girl ranking.
Shes gone for only one episode and I already miss best girl.
Please let her return on the next episode together with tomboy-chan
Kureha is such a boring character. I wonder what it is that the girls find so amusing in her.
Though I gotta admit, the fact that she is not as dense as a harem MC makes her likeable enough.
Plus, I like how she rejects every girl who has a hard-on for her because her love for Sumika is pure
I'm sure someone might have pointed this by now in a past thread but I was going through episode 3 again and holy shit.
A O T Y C O N F U C K I N G F I R M R E D
There are retards who don't understand what this word means. The only real call for equality was the royal heirachy of males taking over when the older sibling is female. We know this in our world but I'm not sure if Lulu knew this prior to the day of her brother's birth that they wanted a male to take over the kingdom. Looking at her reactions, I'm pretty sure she didn't know until the day of. If Milun had been born female, I don't think Lulu would have been so hard on him considering even if they fawn over female Milun now, years from then, Lulu would one day rule the kingdom but since Milun is male, he will take over the kingdom and she is no longer important. I could really understand her wanting to get rid of him.