Post your favorite /a/ guns

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>>120018344

AND YOUR SLIDE-MOUNTED SAFETY CAN ROT IN HELL

IN *HELL*

>>120018472
>>120018415
What is that, Berettas for ants?

>>120018461
>implying there's anything inherently wrong with the locking system the Beretta uses

That said, I like the short-recoil tilting barrel principle that's more commonly applied to most pistols these days.

The slide mounted safety seems to bother some, but not all.

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>>120018344

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hnnngg

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/thread

>>120019003
That's the guide-rod tho

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NIPPON BANZAI !!!

>>120018729
I remember playing that flash game. I wish they added more content over time.

>>120019102
As a kid, I thought it was awesome, because it was a big gun in a big caliber, but I'm left kind of wondering how it actually works as an adult.

The barrel seems to be fixed, and it doesn't seem to tilt or recoil in any direction, making me wonder if the gun isn't a straight blowback, which would require an insane amount of weight to the slide to safely handle .454 (though then again, Alucard is a big and strong guy, supernaturally so).

>>120018461
Just get a G.

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Obliterates cities, makes friends.

>>120019250
Those grips justify the notion of calling a 1911 with an accessory rail a "Colt Railgun"

But seriously, who the fuck calls a firearm a railgun? They have to fucking know what a railgun is in colloquial terms, fucking Colt, I swear.

>>120019361
>which would require an insane amount of weight to the slide to safely handle .454
There's no amount of weight that would make that thing function well as a blowback, there's a reason all big caliber self loading guns have some kind of delay mechanism before unlocking.

The way it works is it's anime.

>>120019597
It's almost like it's a play on words or something, no one has ever done that before for the purpose of marketing a product.

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>>120018344
leh nostalgia

>>120019603
>there's a reason all big caliber self loading guns have some kind of delay mechanism before unlocking
You can technically make larger cartridges work with a blowback system, it's just that it requires exponentially more weight.
A .32 works fine with blowback, so does a .380, but a 9mm requires significantly more weight than a .380, and even more so for a .45

I'm picturing the .454 working with some sort of terrifying mastodont Hi-Point on steroids.
Of course, the Joshua could be delayed.

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Montigny mitrailleuse

>>120020100
>implying the mitrailleuse wasn't impractical as shit
>implying it managed to get any good use at all while it was in service

It was a very clever mechanical design for it's time though.

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>>120019047
Mein Neger

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>>120019597
better yet, who the fuck puts rail accessories on a 1911? some kind of lab grown fudd/tacticool hybrid? the entire notion is absurd

btw reposting from /k/ unlimited custom waifu grips

1. acquire transparent grips

2. print grip shaped vinyl images of your waifu (like fedex or kinkos/misc office supply)

3. cut out grip shaped vinyl piece

4. poke screw holes slightly bigger than they need to be (only slightly)

5. laminate waifus (so oil and shit dont mess em up when you clean gun); can also be done at office supply shop. if you bring scissors, do all 2-5 in one trip

6. icepick screw holes so theres still some plastic in them, make them big enough for screws to for through obviously but screw should only be touching laminate, not the grip inlay

7. cut laminate from edges (not too close to the inset for obvious reasons)

8. place under transparent grips

9. repeat 2-7 for unlimited modular waifu grips

>>120019137
Wow, who came up with that?

>>120020349
You

>>120020333
>better yet, who the fuck puts rail accessories on a 1911? some kind of lab grown fudd/tacticool hybrid? the entire notion is absurd
Putting accessories on a 1911 isn't absurd itself, but using a 1911 for anything that would require those accessories other than competition is.

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Obligatory

>>120019137
It exploded the first time the guy decided to use it after that.

>>120020213
Look up the book "The German Artillery in the Battles near Metz". Almost everyone completely denigrates the effect of mitrailleuse, but this book does not; the Prussian gunners hated being shot at by it

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>>120019591

>>120020645
Oh yeah, if it was actually aimed at you, shit was terrible, lots of people were thouroughly whacked by full volleys from them, but aiming and aligning the things was a terrible chore, and the guns were actually too accurate for their own good

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Pretty generic, but fuck you.

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Winchesters

>>120018344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEbAqyhujs8

The best gun

>>120018729
>>120019356
Can someone link me to that game again?

>>120020845
You seem very defensive for no reason. Were you bullied or is it only because of /a/?

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Togusa's revolver looked cool, I don't know how practical it would be though.

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>>120020482
>using a 1911 for anything that would require those accessories

that's more of what I was getting at. a crimson trace on a bp revolver would arguably increase target acquisition time, but people don't do that (well, to the best of my knowledge they don't, I wouldn't be to incredibly surprised if it has been done before, but MOST people don't do that is what I'm trying to say)

>>120021026
I think it was partially based on the Unica 6 in the image there, I think it was more chosen for it's looks than anything.

>>120021026
>I don't know how practical it would be though.

>Revolver
>Police work

not very

>>120018344
>i bought a beretta 92fs because of this fucking anime

>>120020904
Image search pops up with the name of the game

>>120021026
>I don't know how practical it would be though

It wont Jam.

>>120021117
Good enough reason.

>>120021117
Stock FS? Either way it's a good gun.

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Only gun.

>>120021077
i don't have the link, but i've seen the video with sound of this and the box plays the theme song when open

>>120021077
>dem LEDs

I lost it.

>>120021142
Hyperbole about revolver reliability aside, that thing isn't a regular revolver, so it may very well jam. It could be an unreliable hunk of shit, I doubt anyone has ever done a high round count test of one.

>>120021148
Yeah, stock FS.
>>120021147
Well, I ended up liking it. The takedown and cleanup of the handgun is also far easier than with other handguns.

>>120020531
fuck is wrong with his face?

>>120021142
>what's going out of timing
>what is the bullets jumping the crimp

Don't use soft-loaded cheap shit for your automatic and it'll run fine, and clearing malfunctions with an automatic literally takes a second.

>>120021253
Nihei

>>120021162
What round does that use?

>>120021077
That's actually kind of cute in a sense.

>>120020779
You're being too harsh on the weapon; even the well-known Maxim gun was ordered by armies on classic artillery limbers until relevant war experience indicated that low-profile tripods were the most ideal mount

>>120021297
Probably a 7.63x25mm Mauser
The barrel is long as shit though, but I don't know how long you can actually boost the 7.63, and at which point the barrel length becomes moot.

>>120021249
Tons of new Beretta shit coming out, I don't know if you heard about the new WC stuff but there are a bunch of drop in parts like low profile levers and short reach triggers they made in addition to more involved stuff like G conversions. SHOT starts this week too and Beretta has been teasing all kinds of awesome shit, like bringing back the 92G-SD.
It's a good time to have or get a 92.

>>120021128
liar.

>>120020333
Man, I'd love to make some custom grips for my gun that way. But won't the laminate feel weird on the hand though?

>>120020100
sauce?

>>120021459
Those grips would be slick as shit, you wouldn't want it for anything other than a range toy.

>>120021400
Sounds great. Though I'm pretty much a minimalist when it comes to guns. I don't like adding too much shit on them.

>>120018344
I love her other guns if you know what I mean.

>>120021485
Prussian Onizuka.

>>120021497
So I guess if I really want custom grips, I really have to find an artisan to make them for me. Sucks.

>>120021459
remember the laminate goes under the transparent grip, and if you cut it well enough; or I guess if you don't want to do the whole modular thing, or want to make 'permanent' set, you can glue the laminated vinyl to the grip.

the bottom line is either way; the laminate cutouts should be sized in such a way that even after the added size from the laminate border, the laminate border should not stick out from under the transparent grips.

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>>120021299
>watching The Bourne Identity for the first time a few days ago
>see this

>>120021507
Well really most if it would make it even more minimalist. The big thing though is if you don't like the decock/safety like so many people don't you can have it converted to a G decock only. Pretty expensive though.

>>120021600
mind explaining to a non-/k/ommando?

>>120021570
Which isn't even hard, there's thousands and thousands of people making 1911 grip panels, just search around, I'm almost certain there's some where you live.

Otherwise you could commission a pair from America (if you're not an American), and have them sent to your country, they're literally a pair of carved wood bits with some screws, you should be able to get those through custom if you declare them.

>>120021666
>wood grips
>carry gun

>>120021434
Look harder retard

>>120021633
Stock gets pushed into the front of the shoulder, it does not go on top. All you are going to do like that is bang the read sight into your face when it recoils.

>>120021633
Look at how he's holding it, the stock is over his shoulder, that's just weird as fuck, he wont see the rear sight at all, and the recoil would be awkward as fuck (not that he'd hit anything without using the sights).

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>>120021518
These guns

Are there any anime with double barrel shotguns? Like, the really long ones, not the childish short ones.

>>120021633
That isn't how you hold a gun. His eye is way to close and the gun is going to recoil into it. It looks like he has the stock ontop of his shoulder, instead of actually pushing against it.

>>120021633
that's a retarded way to hold a rifle; the "trigger discipline" part (not putting your finger on the trigger) is more or less ok, but his left hand and face are wrong

>>120021704
There's thousands of plastic makers as well.

Seriously, if you want something as a 1911 grip, it either exists or can be made on order, it's a goddamn ocean of options.

>>120021723
I lost my reading glasses.

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>>120021440

Managed to get all four volumes of the revised edition release recently, fucking excellent. Yet to read 4, I've been told to avoid Burst though.

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nice pez shooters

>>120019110
Healthiest gun out there.

>>120021570
if you're worried about the gun being too slippery, you can probably get textured transparent grips easily for mail order

the whole point of the inlay/modular method is

A. it's cheap. pair of transparent grips are lik 30-40 bucks

B. it's modular; want to change the picture, just put a new one in

C. it's discreet; ATF won't label you a subversive spending hundreds of dollars on custom chinese cartoon assault weapon accessories

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Mami guns are fun.

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is a catgun fine too?

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woops

>>120018389
Literally a piece of useless junk.

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>>120022189

>>120021947
why was the ending to this so bad?

>>120022133
God damn did he have the worst taste in guns or what? A fucking Contender for a combat gun, picking spent cases out of the chamber really facilitates fast reloads. If you want massive penetration in a small package he should have got a Smith x-frame or some other heavy revolver.

And a Calico, a shitty helical magazine SMG with holds the wonderful innovation of putting the rear sight on the detachable magazine.

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Personality gun that you use to shoot yourself
Invented by the world's greatest wizard after decades of research.

>>120022071
>it's discreet; ATF won't label you a subversive spending hundreds of dollars on custom chinese cartoon assault weapon accessories
>being worried about watchlists
You're probably on some watchlist for going to 4chan and owning a gun already, it's pitifully easy to get on watchlists today, especially with the NSA in full stride.

As long as they don't think you're stockpiling fertilizer or something they'll probably not make a move.

That's not to say they might not get the idea anyway, regardless of what the truth of the situation is, the Feds aren't exactly concerned about doing a clean or efficient job. They've raided farmers for having fertilizer before, though I don't think they manage to get charges to stick.

>>120022314
well why do you need to aim the gun if it doesn't have a magazine loaded?

>>120022349
That's not the point, the point is it can move around and there's going to be variability among different mags, not something you want for the thing you use to aim.

>>120021750
Would motorboat dem guns

>>120022313
The more important question is why no new chapters never

>>120022314

That pistol is suppose to be a one shot one kill sorta thing. And when you consider his reality marble I don't think speed of use is one of his major concerns in gun choice.

>>120022410
well its not a precise weapon when it fires that quickly in the first place

>>120022189
Don't bully Elle-chan

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>>120018344

>>120022485
Shut up bong.

>>120022483
Doesn't he get fucked up the longer he uses that time magic? If that's the case I think I would want to spend the least amount of time picking stuck cases out of chambers as possible. Besides a heavy revolver would have more penetrating power than a .30-06 anyway and it would be lighter and handier than a contender.
>>120022484
By that logic you might as well not have sights at all.

>>120022314
The Contender was in some magical wildcat cartridge, if I recall right. I would have personally rebuilt an old K98k and made it in "Pirate Pistol" size or something for my unique magical cartridge, seems like it'd be more practical in the long run.

As for the Calico, the sights being fixed to the magazine isn't exactly the best kind of design, but given how the standard capacity for the guns are 50 and 100, and that it's largely used at the 100yd range at most, it's not nearly as important, given how it's basically made for rapid fire.

Also, the magazines will work if you know how to treat them, they're basically like old drum magazines, they need to be wound right, not too little, but not too much.

>>120022636
>By that logic you might as well not have sights at all.
Sure why not? I like using perks that allow me to hip-fire with SMGs in the first place

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>>120018344

>>120022671
>perks.

>>120021633
it's a special technique for cqc

>>120022656
>Also, the magazines will work if you know how to treat them, they're basically like old drum magazines, they need to be wound right, not too little, but not too much.
You not exactly inspiring confidence here, drum mags are notoriously unreliable.

And that's just a drum mag, helical mags are an entirely different animal which are far shittier than drum mags.

>>120022636
Again, I don't think it's the best design decision, but I really don't think it affects accuracy enough for the purposes of the weapon in question to be hugely detrimental.

Had it been a rifle, intended beyond 100-200yd, then yes, that would have been way more problematic.

>>120019597
it refers to the rails under the barrel that you can mount your tacticool flashlight or other accessory you need to exercise ur fredums

>>120022712
How does this thing even work?

>>120022781
It explodes next panel.

>>120022753
Drum mags depend entirely on which.
The Russians and Chinese have made drums work reliably enough for AK's/RPK's, not to talk about helical magazines for submachineguns.

One could argue that the Bizon uses a better design than the Calico though (but I'll say that I much prefer roller-delayed blowback like on the Calico over plain blowback like on the Bizon)

>>120022314
single shot hunting pistols aren't bad for bear defense guns.

I've been looking at getting one for a while, not a 5.56 or whatever necked cartridge it looked like kerry was using, but I'm thinking a 45_70. first off, a breech hunting pistol is light, small, and maneuverable enough to be a "sidearm", and frankly (I've never "tested" this, but I feel like I feel more confidence in a single well placed 45_70 with a longer barrel downing a bear than a panicked 8-round10mm magdump (my current hunting sidearm) from a 5 inch

>>120021633
At least he has trigger discipline down.

>>120022781
magic

>>120022781

It looks like in theory it tries to use the expanding gas in the barrel the cyclinder which is somehow fed in by a magazine which can also be done by pulling that lever. It probably wont work very since it is a revolver and most of the gas will escape in the gap between the barrel and cylinder, though.

>>120020054
>>120019603
>>120019361
forgetting there is the desert eagle which is .50 AE. also have a SW model 500. they could make it work but tgere isnt a point

>>120022671
>not the 15sec noclip on killstreak perk

3-2-1 lumby n00b

>>120022897
You'd loose a shitload of velocity on a .45-70 out of a pistol length barrel.

The boom and flash would be astounding I'll say.

I think it'd just be easier to just get a .44 or .454 Revolver

>>120022781
the willing suspension of disbelief

>>120022756
I'm assuming he uses the thing for more than just hosing targets 10ft away in a well lit room, if that's the case you're going to want your sights to not have a different point of impact every time you reload.

>>120022865
AK drum mags work like shit, in my experience they aren't worth their weight in scrap. Helical mags are a nightmare which is why basically no one uses them ever.

>>120022897
Why not just get an X-frame? A .500 ro .460 S&W can be loaded to meet or exceed 12ga slug horsepower, with better constructed projectiles to boot. To beat either of those by ,much with a .45-70 you'd have to load it hot as hell which a contender might nmot even be able to take and even if it can it would recoil like a motherfucker with no brake. An X-frame is just lighter and handier in general as well, the only downside is cost.

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>All these Up Oats
>no Galil

>>120022961
Desert Eagle is gas operated retard not blowback, besides .50AE is weak as fuck compared to .454 casull. The .500 is a fucking revolver.

Someone please post the manga that rustles /k/.

>>120022961
The Desert Eagle isn't a blowback gun, it is a direct gas impingement pistol with a rotating bolt, it's almost like a rifle in terms of operation.

Blowback just means the breech is held closed safely for long enough by the virtue of the slide/bolt being heavy enough.
This wouldn't be the least bit practical for .50AE as it would require an absurd amount of mass.

>>120021077
but revolver recoil and muh quick reloads and capacity.

you could argue finer on any gun but it doesnt matter if you cant hit your target. I like the light triggers of a double/single action best

>>120023128
The .454 casull also produces far more energy when fired than .50 AE.

>>120023057
>.500
>.460
Those are insanely hot loads, he should also be able to handle the gun in question, and ideally be capable of follow-up shots.

Something in .44Mag, .50AE or .454C would be way easier to handle, while offering plenty of power still.

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Best gun. (see also Strike Witches)

Is this the most /ak/ anime?

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>>120019137
>and i made the magazine longer so it's an automatic
>enlarging the box that hold bullets makes guns shoot faster

>>120023241
That's what ATF actually believes.

>>120023212
.44 mag is not enough for brown bear, the Alaska game department themselves state that. Their minimum benchmark is a 12ga slug, which the only practical handguns that can meet that are .454, .460 and .500. The .500 and .460 S&Ws have huge ass brakes on them which makes the recoil managable. Go watch some youtube videos, it's not as wrist-shattering as some believe, just don't use those goofy ass 700gr bullets.

>>120022987
had a fairly long discussion about this on /k/

i'm aware of that problem; I think i remember hearing something about aftermarket contender 45_70 barrels longer than the standard 14, as well as the necessity of getting a muzzle break

my "second" idea is actually an honest to goodness desert eagle. probably in 44, but MAYBE 50, it's

A. something that would be kind of fun/cool to own in general

B. actually practical as a bear defense gun

C. continuation of C; mag fed means faster reload more follow up shots

At this point my bear plan is to basically get to cover (narrow rocks (relatively hilly/mountainous regions) / heavy brush and magdump if chased since I guess I do carry 2 spare handgun mags when I go hunting; so slightly less than ~30 10mm rounds, which has a fair chance of a kill if I can cycle and line up follow up shots. My big concern is if I'm like "in the open" and there is nowhere I can run, I can't out run the bear, and In that time I can maybe magdump one at high speed which is no guarantee of a kill.

If I have a deagle or whatever, I still plan to run if possible (same with contender). But a magful or a single well placed shot of higher caliber I think has a much better kill or debilitation (which gives me time to run/reload) chance.

I'm not too big on revolvers for THIS in particular (love revolvers in general, even collect BP ones), because I'm not very good with moon clips, can switch pistol mags MUCH MUCH faster without having to pay major attention to it (I can swap a mag while multitasking, not the case with a moonclip)

>>120023324
A .44 mag is plenty. Especially if you get 300gr rounds. A 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge slug weighs the same as the largest .44 magnum rounds you can buy.

>>120023504
A regular 12 ga slug is ~440gr, and going faster than any .44 could propel a projectile that weight. To get 12ga ballistics out of a handgun you need more than .44


http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/?adfg=livingwithbears.bearcountry

If you are inexperienced with a firearm, it can be difficult to successfully deploy in emergency situations. Additionally, a wounded bear can be a greater threat to human safety. A .300-Magnum rifle or a 12-gauge shotgun with rifled slugs are appropriate weapons if you have to shoot a bear. Heavy handguns such as a .44-Magnum may be inadequate in emergency situations, especially in untrained hands.

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>>120022133

>>120023104
i done fucked up on the degal but I was trying to convey that people could engineer the weapon. it just those weapons aren't really wanted/needed/practical.

>>120021026
Almost impossible to jam.
Less muzzle rise than a normal revolver or semi-auto.

I'd take it over a large number of other guns.

>>120023951
You'd take an untested unproven oddball collector revolver over a large number of other guns?
>Almost impossible to jam.
Don't drink the kool-aid anon.

>>120023624
I always bring tacital cocaine when I work my targets.
Makes the guilt go away.

>>120023702
Beat me to that one. Anon

>>120024011
Confirmed for never having laid hands on a gun, much less fired one.

And I didn't say *every* gun. Reading comprehension isn't your forte; I get that.

>>120021440
what manga is that from i remember reading it awhile back but i can not remember the name

>>120024011
>>120023951

i was going to make a witty remark about the "large number of guns", but considering the rarity of the mateba, you also need to consider the quantity and type of the other guns

100 raven or jiminez 25s a a large number of guns. (100*$50)=5k

The last mateba I saw on gunbroker was a few years ago and like 5 grand iirc

at this very point in time, seeing as the value of the mateba has gone up, and the value of shitty saturday night specials has not; the mateba would in fact be the more economical choice

but really? if someone offered me a hundred jiminezes or one mateba for free, I'd totaly take the jiminezes, The mateba would probably sit on my shelf all day, could have a LOT of fun with a hundred shitty little pistols: bicycle wheel .25acp minigun

>>120023324
>.44 mag is not enough for brown bear
>implying

>>120024217
see
>>120023593
Stop believing what retards parrot on /k/ as gospel. In fact you shouldn't go to /k/ at all because by and large they don't know shit about guns.

>>120024189
So whats the deal with the tip of the .50 cal anyways? Is the mussleflame so fuckhuge it would fuck with the bullet somehow, so it had to be vented out sideways?

>>120024256
It's just to reduce recoil.

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I've never found out what anime this girl is from though.

>>120024256
The muzzle break is detachable.

>tfw no moist nuggets
Mateva is a close second, though it is fucking expensive.

>>120024294
are those proportions fucked, she huge, the gun tiny, or all of the above

>>120024294
DtB S2.

>>120024361
The proportions are fucked up because her gun is actually massive in the anime.

>>120018344
>guns
>not superior nippon steel
lmfao
do you even Rurouni Kenshin?

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>>120023501
Then I should probably mention some things to consider.

These things will cause mischief:
>Teacupping
The Desert Eagle, absolutely, positively HATES to be held in a teacup grip, the magazine hangs onto the magazine release, and is meant to hang from this freely, if you teacup the gun, you push the magazine up into the well and this drastically reduces reliability. The Deagle is heavy, yes, but never teacup it, even if that feels natural, besides, teacup grip does not help you tame recoil at all, so it is a waste.

>Unjacketed ammunition
Do not shoot bullets with less than 3/4 jacketing, lead will shear off and clog the gasport, not only is this something that can't be fixed in the field (it's a job for a gunsmith), but it'll completely shut off gas to the action, turning your gun into a straightpull repeater.

Also, regarding .44 or .50, they both use the same bolt-face, all you need to do to make a .44 Deagle shoot .50 is to replace the barrel and insert a loaded .50 magazine, the Deagle is quite nifty in that regard.

Now, this is not a super practical weapon, it's heavy, it's clunky, it's high maintenance (always make sure to have cleaned it thoroughly before going into the wilds), but it has advantages:

The Deagle is actually a very accurate weapon if you can manage the thing, first, it's a DI weapon, like the AR-15, inherently very accurate, the barrel is completely fixed, and it's very thick and rigid, it will absolutely not flex or whip in any manner.
For recoil, the gun is heavy, but again, it's gas operated, and has a rotating bolt, this makes the recoil of magnum cartridges very mild.

A lot of people don't consider that the Deagle is sealed, unlike a revolver, which blows out a lot of gas at the cylinder gap, so a .357 or .44 out of a Deagle has considerably more power, it uses basically of the gas, and not to talk about the .50, there's even the extended barrels for truly obscene velocities. Imagine .50AE out of a 10" barrel.

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>>120023624
>various glocks

Every fucking time.

>>120024250
That website is saying that it's harder to hit a bear with a pistol than a shotgun which is true, but a .44 magnum will penetrate the flesh and skull. If AP rounds were available there, you could kill them with small caliber handgun rounds. A glock 20 would be more ideal than a big ass revolver for bears because 10mm will penetrate their flesh and you would have 2.5 times the capacity.

>>120024250
I should point out that
>untrained hands

It's very plausible to drop a brown bear with a good .44 load if you aren't a shit shot.

>stupid /k/
Did they hurt your feelings?

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>>120024361
She'd have to be about 8' tall.

>>120024366
Never heard of it.

>>120024761
>Podbyrin 9.2mm

>>120025079
>he never heard of UNTU UNTZ UNTZ
>he doesn't know Darker than Black
Get out.

>>120024761
oh, I've fired them before (had a friend who owned a 357 and 50, but we live in different states now), I'm familiar with the GOOD handling despite the large loads due to the heavy gun.

I don't teacup in general, OR with particularly large pistols (heavy magnum revolvers). I've seen the funny barrel ones; would you say it makes a SIGNIFICANT difference though? it looks wonky, so if it just adds like ~20% more muzzle energy and improves accuracy at mid and long range, I'm not really interested. yeah, my reason is aesthetic which is kind of dumb. But the purpose of the deagle is not really utilitarianism or practicality

I appreciate the jacketing tip! I take it this is more of a reloading concern? that most "in box" ammo should have decent QC? Or is this something I should be looking through every box rounds before I buy it like a box of eggs?

>>120025153
Everyone knows DtB was great but why would you talk about a season two that does not exist?

>>120024814
The website is saying it's not adequate, plain and simple. It does not have the penetrating power to reliably reach vital organs in a wide variety of situations. The same reason why anything that does not meet FBI standard 12-18" is not suitable for personal defense from humans.

>if you aren't a shit shot.
lol, go ahead and pray for a headshot then when a bear is running right at you, I'm sure you have enough skill to nail a flailing bear head that is running at you at 30 MPH when you have a gallon of adrenaline in your blood. Go ahead and pray that your .44 has enough power to penetrate hide, flesh and bone from whatever angle you are standing deep enough to reach significant blood vessels.

>10mm
>Bear
>10mm
>anything

literally a meme cartridge

>Did they hurt your feelings?
They hurt my head with their stupidity

>>120025235
Nice memes you have there.

>>120025206
>Fired from a standard six-inch Desert Eagle barrel, Speer's 300-grain load produces a muzzle velocity of over 1,500 ft/s, giving a muzzle energy of over 1,500 ft·lb (2,000 J).[5] Fired from a 10-inch barrel, the same load produces a muzzle velocity of over 1,600 ft/s, giving a muzzle energy of nearly 1,800 ft·lb (2,400 J).[5]
That's what Wikipedia had to say about the .50AE, make of it what you will, the shorter length might be worth it to you.

>I take it this is more of a reloading concern? that most "in box" ammo should have decent QC?
This is more of a concern for .357 and .44, as those are made for guns in general, most which aren't gas operated, when selecting ammo for those, don't shoot anything that doesn't have at least 3/4 jacket, preferably full metal jacket or a hollowpoint with a jacket on the outside.

>Or is this something I should be looking through every box rounds before I buy it like a box of eggs?
No, it's a question of the type of projectile used in a cartridge, there's nothing wrong with Hollowpoints, Half-Jackets, or unjacketed bullets in and of themselves, they just aren't fit for use in a Deagle.

>>120025240
>10mm
Who the fuck is talking about 10mm for anything but Black Bear? In fact, who's talking 10mm at all?

>Meme cartridge
Nice to hear you're a faggot.

The question is .44 Magnum for Brown Bear, which is certainly possible, just like .223 is for Deer

>>120025240
Here's another one.

>DocGKR
>There are few places in the lower 48 states, even in Sierra wilderness areas, where I would feel under-armed with a 9 mm. Places with Brown bears, then I want a 12 ga with effective slugs or a .45-70......

>There is a reason Alaskan guides carry shotguns or large caliber rifles. You need something like a 12 gauge shotgun with deep penetrating slugs, a .45-70 with quality bullets, a .338 or .375 Mag.

inb4 "who's he?"

>>120025576
Woah that's pretty surprising.

20% was really a ballpark guess.

I guess it isn't TOO surprising, since 6>10 is like a 60% increase; while most AR length increase discussions are like 16>20 which is like 25%

I guess in a lot of AR threads there are barrel length discussions and people are like "oh that's only 10% more, but the twist is more important, etc..." so I guessed ME increase based on that

Oh I understand what you're saying about the bullets now.

I was worried that what you were getting at was "there are some in-box 50AEs out there that break your gun"

>>120025640
>Who the fuck is talking about 10mm for anything but Black Bear? In fact, who's talking 10mm at all?
The other guy I was replying to

>The question is .44 Magnum for Brown Bear, which is certainly possible, just like .223 is for Deer
see
>>120025649
Deer hunting isn't the same as defending your life, if your round is slightly underpowered in deer hunting your aren't going to get turned into a pile of red goop.

And 10mm is a meme cartridge, there is zero reason to use it for anything. No dedicated bullets are made for it, so it's performance is nearly identical to a .40, just with more recoil and parts wear. The only reason people use it is because of idiots like /k/tards perpetuating the meme that it is a plasma cannon.

>>120025576
>>120025769
Wikipedia is a fucking terrible place to get load info, go to a reloading table or something.

>>120025649
http://pistol-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-9122.html

forgot link

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>>120018344
the only gun

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>>120025775
>And 10mm is a meme cartridge
>/k/tards perpetuating the meme that it is a plasma cannon.

please don't be retarded.

yes this is the internet, people exaggerate, they make jokes, etc...

consider that everything isn't an explicit reversal.

/k/ shits all over EVERY SINGLE big round out there

But that doesn't mean that 9mm can actually shoot down planes or you can deflect 10mm with thick clothing

10mm is unpopular (in terms of proliferation) because it's recoil is high, and it's expensive. And the superior penetration/wound cavitation stuff is too niche to justify wide use. It's like dedicated12ga slug guns. There are very very few things you can kill with a 12ga slug that you can't with 20s

>>120025775
>so it's performance is nearly identical to a .40
Different guy, but only if you go by the FBI loads, which were basically almost .40, they watered down the 10mm a fair bit after adopting it.

Do I think the 10mm really makes an appreciable difference for defense against humans? Not particularly, it's like comparing .45 to 9mm, there's a difference, but for all practical purposes, they perform about the same in terms of terminal ballistics.

Now, the 10mm can be loaded pretty hot, to .357 tier loadings, which would make it adequate for black bear (but not brown bear), and this is somewhat attractive in a package like a Glock 20. The Glock 20 largely remains a thing due to this reason I'm almost certain.
The fact that Glock is coming out with a longslide 10mm for hunting enforces this notion, at least for me.

>>120025829
True, but it gives a rough ballpark.

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>>120026010

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Because AKs are inaccurate and the rest are unreliable in this cold, slushy winter.

>>120026140
>Now, the 10mm can be loaded pretty hot, to .357 tier loadings, which would make it adequate for black bear
9mm is enough for black bear. Glock is making 10mm hunting models for the same reason they make .270s or whatever other niche hunting cartridge, slightly better trajectory and lower recoil to make hunting more convenient and enjoyable.

>True, but it gives a rough ballpark.
No it doesn't, 99% of the time they just list advertised speeds from the manufacturer which depending on the manufacturer can be flat out lies.
>Different guy, but only if you go by the FBI loads, which were basically almost .40, they watered down the 10mm a fair bit after adopting it.
No, I'm talking about modern 10mm. No one makes bullets designed to take 10mm velocities in that caliber so every load just uses .40 bullets. Those bullets are designed to work in .40s so they either work exactly like a .40 or fail from too much velocity.

>>120026133
If you want something "better" than a 9 then by all means go ahead and get a .40 or a .45, but don't waste time on a 10mm when zero ammo companies support it and zero loads for it are even tested and approved for LE/self defense use.

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A bit of a shame since I'm a /k/ommando and this technically isn't a gun, but just imagining that beauty transform into Lethal Eliminator mode in my hand makes my dick rock hard.

>>120021440
>cz75

Fuck off pasha.

>>120026400
is psycho pass any good?

>>120026380
I'm not telling everyone to carry 10mm brah

I edc an practice with 45. My 10mm is solely for hunting sidearm because only one store in about a 2 hr range from where I live carries it; and it's (surprise surprise) expensive to practice with, and my 10mm is one I've had for a while when I lived where 10mm was plentiful (had an lgs that you could order custom reloads from), and I'm not going to sell my only 10mm, it's a colt delta elite and those are kind of hard to find (in stores anyways, I see one at like 80% of the gun shows I go to, and I know there are plenty online) and I like 1911s

>>120026497
I really liked it. I'm into sci-fi and especially world-building and it was great for that.

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>>120024761
>>120025206
>teacup grip
You guys really are little girls, arent you?

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SVD

>>120020845
The simplicity of its design adds to its charm, and belies what its actual firepower turns out to be.

My favorite as well, in both form and concept.

>>120024761
Is it wrong to want a long-barreled deagle, if only for the absurdity of it?

>>120026600
Using hard cast 10mm loads is fine for hunting, since the projectile is just solid there's no chance to fail so more speed just = more penetration. Using an amped up autoloader round as mentioned above gives you advantages in trajectory among other things that are beneficial for hunting. Using it for self defense from humans or bears are completely separate matters though.

For humans it is inadequate because of a total lack of good expanding projectiles for it and lack of loads using those projectiles.

And for brown bear defense it simply does not have anywhere near enough horsepower to penetrate deep enough even with hard cast. Saying you have more capacity is not good enough. Having a shitload of .22lr mags on hand to reload your MkIII does not mean it is a good SD load for humans because it cannot reach 12-18" penetration reliably. The same goes for 10mm and brown bear.

>>120023624
Didn't they only make ~150 of those "slavshit" rifles? Why does everyone have one.

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>>120026884
I want a stainless one in .50AE with a blued 10" barrel, because of Resident Evil 2

I'd try to get the grips from the airshit replica fit on the real one if I could, just to complete the Resident Evil look.

>>120026932
It's just a showpiece walther made, they're in every movie and game because they're cool looking, just like a deagle. For all we know it could be a total piece of shit. I doubt anyone shoots the thing enough to prove it reliable.

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I don't even know how you could handle a 13mm pistol, but the gun looks boss as fuck.

>>120026932
Maybe Hitman caused the rise in popularity. Or maybe it's due to it being the perfect assassination weapon because of how quickly it can be disassembled.

>>120027009
>shorten the barrel
>you now have a hi-point

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>>120027006
seriously this thing, the mateba, a few others

I don't why they're so "desirable" for collectors. They don't do anything exceptional, they just weren't mass manufactured

>>120027009
12.7mm=.50, Deagle is technically right about 13mm, as are .50GI guns and .500s.

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>>120027085
goddamn it

hipoints can be operator too

>>120027102
>they just weren't mass manufactured
That's all you need to be collectible. Made by a manufacturer with a good reputation and only a few exist + unique = rich people throw money at you.

Beretta just made those steel 92s that were identical to a regular FS aside from the frame and some fancy wood but because they only made like 90 they go for 12k each.

>>120027153
It's not a great gun, but if it's all you have, it's at least something, miles better than Jimenez and Bryco, at least the Hi-Point will cycle, and is almost impossible to break.

>>120023501
>muzzle break
stopped reading there

>>120027399
>not at 45_70

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DAT SMELL OF OLD COSMOLINE

>>120027212
but I mean there are expensive things that are rare that are cool.

like the gyrojet stuff, or automags, girandoni air rifle.

There are tons of things on my "dream" wish list guns-wise that I'll almost certainly never be able to afford,or justify spending that kind of money on; but plenty of things that AREN'T on that list that are stupidly expensive; previously mentioned; things like the famas

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Does this one count ?

>>120027637
An automag is basically in the same category as a WA2000, an interesting curio that wasn't totally practical.

In fact all of those things you listed are, they're just older and have had more time to grow in price or develop historical value.

>>120027858
Automags are considerably cheaper than WA2000 as well as a semi auto .44 magnum (I think the only other semi auto .44 pistol that was ever mass produced is deagle)

All of /a/ is antigun and nogunz as fuck.

>>120028037
Did you forget that /ak/ exists?

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>>120028037
>Hey guys am I /k/ yet?

Day/k/are pls

>>120027153
MELT IT

>>120027973
Actually, the Automag did not use conventional .44 Magnum cartridges, it used a special rimless cartridge called .44AMP, intended to mirror it's ballistics while providing reliable feeding (there was also a .357AMP).

As with any gun trying to launch with a proprietary cartridge, it met a rocky start, fine cartridge, sure, but it was expensive to make and shoot, these days, unopened boxes of .44AMP have collectible value, the most common trick for people who want to shoot their .44 Automag is to make their own cartridges, by shorting down .308 brass, which if done right, happens to give you the same diameter as a .44AMP casing, and bam, now you can load yourself some .44 automatics

If the Automag had shot regular .44 Magnum revolver cartridges, it would probably have fared way better (though the question is if the gun could be made to be reliable with a rimmed cartridge)

>>120028037
have you even read the fucking thread?

>>120026424
More like fuck off LDLCZ.

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1911 [spoiler[airsoft[/spoiler]

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Post your guns /ak/.

RIA 1911 wih hogue grips. Got it for 350

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You know it to be true.

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>>120018344

>>120028822
Goddamnit I miss you Spancer-kun...

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>>120028822
>your knee when .45
every goddam time

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>>120028657
Currently no-guns (planned on getting one for durr but that's another blogshit entirely) but my stepdad is hasguns. Chrome .454, 30/30, and .22. Had an SKS but got rid of it because his friend apparently bought it off some nigs who used it in armed robbery, made me pretty disappointed when I heard about that.

>mfw
>also mfw none of the shops nearby have nuggets
>trading shop that I went to had AKs with shit wood furniture on them

>>120030124
bad idea

>>120030171
It gets rectified immediately, then she becomes full operator.

>>120029244
In reality that bullet wouldve burst open both her tits, her boobs would have to be moving faster than the bullet to avoid being hit

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who dual wield here

>>120030390
Thanks Dr. Wizard.

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>>120030549

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>>120030481
heh

>>120028171
Fucking based McNig

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>no one posting based gun priest

>>120021794
>>120022902
Assuming he doesn't actively need to be ready to fire. In which case, it's double retarded. And considering the movie it comes from, he probably is.

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> ctrl+f Cross Punisher
> 0 results

Sure are a lot of heathens in this thread.

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>>120031140
>>120030727
good look anon.

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>>120031225
I guess you could consider these /jp/ guns, but whatever.

>>120030390
The threads when that episode aired were amazing. Fucking jiggle physics. Madhouse delivered exceptionally on that adaptation. S2 never though.

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back on the topic of bear defense; has any research been done on the effects of fire against bears?

I don't suppose it'll KILL them in their tracks; but will setting one on fire maybe stun it or make it retreat?

I know they make those novelty .410 dragonbreath rounds. So in theory, if you had a supersoaker filled with gasoline or rubbing alcohol, or some other flammable liquid, and sprayed the bear, then shot it with a judge loaded with novelty shells or a flare gun, that SHOULD set the bear on fire right?

My question is; is setting the bear on fire in any way useful? Or is that probably going to end with being mauled by a bear that's on fire

>>120031400
Too long to set up, if you are dealing with a charging bear you have only a couple seconds to put it down. If you are attacking a bear that is not charging you then you are asking for trouble.

>>120031400
You are going to get mauled by a bear that's on fire. By the time you've got .410 dragonsbreath, you could have just shot the damn thing with .410 slugs, semi-automatically at that, with a Saiga.

Also I love this webm.

>>120031400
Well, from my experience, the number of things that CAN'T be solved with fire is rapidly approaching zero. So, I guess it would spook it.

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>>120020531
hell yes motherfucker

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>>120018344
I wan Vash's Mateba.

>>120031527
>you could have just shot the damn thing with .410 slugs
Which would penetrate about 5 inches under his iron hide. That's assuming the piece of shit saiga didn't jam when you tried.

>>120031505
bear mace is pretty flammable I think; so if you have a holstered pistol with incendiaries (btw, the make almost all common pistol rounds in novelty incendiary that you can buy online), and a can of bear mace lanyarded to your belt you COULD in theory quickdraw two handed, spray with your left (those have 20-30ft range iirc, and SHOULD have some effect on the bear in terms of slowing it) and one closrange shot with right to set it on fire

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All you niggas lacking.

>>120031676

Is that a FAMAS?

>>120031617
That's not a mateba, it's not anything, its a fantasy gun.

>>120031652
>btw, the make almost all common pistol rounds in novelty incendiary that you can buy online
Those things ignite maybe 1/3 of the time.

>>120031400
2spooky4me

Hmmm

>>120031652
You are still better off carrying a proper gun for the engagement and focusing on killing it than scaring it with fire. Trusting your life to a gimmick seems unwise.

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>>120031702

>>120025079
>picture requested by me
>from the beginning of drawfag threads
>anon delivered according to my every request
>flawlessly
This brings back memories.

>>120026932
It appeared in two cowwadoody games, and has since then appeared everywhere.

>>120031400
> My question is; is setting the bear on fire in any way useful?

That question is irrelevant, look anon only two things can happen here. Either you get to tell everyone about that time you set Smokey on fire, or you get to die in the most metal way possible short of having Ozzy bite your head off. This is a win-win scenario. Now get out there and burn down a forest!

>>120032150
liquid bossu pls go

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This thread is weak.

>>120031617
not a mateba

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when?

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is one stick of dynamite enough to kill a bear?

like if made some kind of a bear spear

you just point it at a charging bear, and let the bear's momentum pierce it on the pitchfork. the springs compress, the lever moves, and the shotgun shell sets off the dynamite

I guess a better version would have some kind of blast shield to protect the user

and if one stick isn't enough, it's fairly scalable; ultimately it's "how much dynamite can you tie to a pitchfork head", and then a question of some kind of blast shielding for the user so the explosion doesn't end up killing them too

if the shielding/knockback logistics are too crazy impractical or if it'll still end with getting crushed by a bear carcass, the blast shield can be done away with entirely and you just throw the thing like a javelin at attacking bears

the big downside is it's a "one time" use thing, and reloading if at all possible (might destroy pitchfork head) is time consuming, so not too practical against multiple bears.

On the other hand; it think it's pretty "foolproof" simple; it's basically a spear, anyone should be able to use one, and with enough explosives, the bear kill should be guaranteed

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>>120018344
The series responsible for selling hundreds of Jericho 941s to rich weebs.

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>>120018344
Planet Destroyer

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Canaan is the best /k/ anime. Anyone who says otherwise has never seen it.

The reloads, the shot count, the trigger discipline, the sheer level of detail...

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>>120032406
How about this?

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>>120032609
I completely forgot that she used a Px4 until someone pointed it out on /k/.

>>120032417
JEW CLONE PLS
CZECHNOLOGY IS BESTEST

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>>120032653
Oi wot arr you lot doin in ere

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>>120030624

what are some good /k/ manga?

>>120033458
I'm on /k/ about as much as I'm on /a/ and I enjoyed the SnO manga

it wasn't particularly gun related though

railgun is pretty good

not gun related

DxD is really great

same no guns tho

>>120033653
thanks for the input. but would you mind expanding on those acronyms? ive been out of the /a/ game for a while, but i just got a kindle so ive decided to start reading more manga. problem is i have no idea whats good anymore.

>>120033458
Gunslinger Girl
Black Lagoon
Jormungandr

>>120020333
>tfw brit
Pakis everywhere and no guns.
Life is suffering.

>>120033653
>>120033843
Forgetting Gunsmith Cats guys?

>>120034030
I love this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_vk_DGFLFU
but I haven't seen the show. Am I a fool?

>>120020138

S2 when?

>>120034305
Only read the manga myself so I can't really say.

sounds like this thread needs some freedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90lH3zn6oQw

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>>120023313
>6 o' clock barrel
>hammer is int he normal position.
this hurts my autism

>>120024761
>no teacup grip
shit, how are you supposed to hold it?

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>>120035263
Do you seriously not know what a proper pistol grip is?

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>>120022512
>that clipping

>>120035878
>SVI 1911
so good

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Superior raifu coming through.

>>120037361
The thumbnail made it look like her panties were around her thighs

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>>120018344

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>>120037361
I think you posted the wrong image

>>120020779
Yep, the problem was the gun was given to artillery officers. So they kept trying to use the proto-MG as field artillery.

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>>120032653
Already on it.

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No love for infinite ammo?

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>>120038115
What about infinite barrels?

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>>120038115

>>120038071
>>120032653
these just seem like fragile weapons

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>>120038188
Well, then this should be more sturdy.

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>>120038304
Or this?

My favorite gun won't be /a/ related until they make a Perfect Dark anime.