Will there ever be a better MC than Kyon?
How ironic, holy shit
Actually Bake is less pandering waifushit than Haruhi.
And they're both "pretentious" only if you're half retarded
Haruhi has no waifushit, it actually makes fun of it with Mikuru, the least likeable character of the series. It's a story about growing up, crushing the comfort zone, opening to other people and being aware of one's self without becoming egocentrical. Monogatari is a hentai with lots of text.
Witty, interesting, fun, not utterly pathetic beta retard.
Kyon has it all.
Araragi is good, but was quite a few times annoying
>I never watched the show
I said Bake because I meant Bake, everything after was pandering trash
He was entertaining and unique, but not a personality I'd want to see more of because it could get old very easily.
Of course they didn't, all the characters(excluding Snake) are unrealistically witty and clever, but that's what made it so good.
I guess I have a problem with Shaft.
I love Madoka though.
>Actually Bake is less pandering waifushit than Haruhi.
U wot m8?
>Megane encyclopedia cat who hides her true personality
>Loli donut eating vampire
Add fire sisters and emotionless doll on top of that.
That's 9 fucking archetype waifu characters.
Not to mention the shit tons of fanservice they all get.
>Crazy, pragmatist bitch
Hardly any fanservice and they don't really emphasize their character archetypes as much as monogatari.
Monogatari wins hands down in the waifupandering contest.
>Reduce characters to 2 adjectives.
>Claim they're archetypes.
Wow, that sure is clever.
Waifufags gonna waifufag no matter the series. Haruhi has also always been the target for waifufags.
No shit, they're both pandering but I'm saying Monogatari is eons ahead of Haruhi in pandering. It has a wide cast of different girls embodying a specific character type to appeal to any otaku. Haruhi only has its 3 main girls and even then it's mostly Haruhi or Nagato that anyone cares about. I don't understand how anyone can say that Haruhi panders more. It makes no sense to me.
Not him, but actually the anon you originally replied to. I exaggerated when I said it had less, but it definitely didn't have more.
Just as there's fanservice in Bake, there's also fanservice in Haruhi scattered in the show.
>Haruhi and Nagato are the two only characters waifufags focus on
Because everyone else and especially Mikuru are trash
>and they're much more developped than stereotypes.
Just like with Crab, Snail, Monkey, and Cat.
Bullshit, the arc that was just four episodes of Cat and Snake talking was near goddamn unwatchable. Araragi carries the show and it's a godsend that Kaiki was usually there to pick up the slack when he was away.
By those criteria pic related isn't a good MC. You have terrible judging standards.
I don't know man. I still believe Monogatari is god-tier when it comes to waifupandering. Whenever I watch it I feel like I'm walking into a candy shop with an obnoxious clerk trying to show me all the diverse types of candy they have while still assuring me they all taste great and even letting me try samples of each. It just becomes too much at times.
>he is witty (at least in the LN, haven't watched the show since it aired)
>he is interesting
>he is fun to watch
>he isn't utterly pathetic beta retard
By those criteria pic related is a good MC.
>Pretentious pandering waifushit
That's a given. I'll probably always think Monogatari characters are better developed because I read all the books while I only watched what was animated of Haruhi. Just wanted to point out that arguing about this is pretty pointless.
He's a tsundere and Koizumi is the "perfect guy" people like to dislike. After Disappearance, they get much closer.
He is right. A dumb little teen right in his puberty is not a good MC. You should kill yourself if you share his retarded thoughts or identify with him.
In the end you can't sell me such a character for very obvious reasons. Me nor you have really cute girls who love us. We don't have the hot willing teacher or the typical anime imouto either. Also no cute trap friend or the typical anime bro. We have reasons to be bitter. That MC is a traitor or poser at the very best.
He's extremely witty. That's one of the main reasons why the LN is so good to begin with
He is a beta, but a realistic kind considering how antisocial he is. Not the retarded generic harem MC beta.
Also I never said everything has to be mutual exclusive, 8man still has it all(for the most part).
He may not be the coolest Jojo, or the strongest, or the most gentlemanly, but damn it he will always be my favorite.
Not that guy, but seriously, you can enjoy the Monogatari series even without being a waifufag, even if they are probably the majority right now. What's really good about it is the witty dialogues (including the wordplay and general writing style if you know some moon) and the general development of the characters, which never really ceases up until the last novel. The fanservice is also really exaggerated compared to the novels. Basically in the novel you get Hanekawa saying "And the I had a shower with Senjougahara" while in the anime you get 30+ seconds of visuals portraying them washing each other.
I'm not jealous, I'm actually happy there was an MC that fucked all the stupid whores in his show.
He's just poorly written and not at all likable unless you spend all day self inserting as fat faceless bald rapists in hentai.
Mah nigga Man makoto is my favorite mc out there.
I never watched the show nor read the VN, what was his reasoning behind fucking everything that was female?
Was he just a horndog, did he just not care or was he trying to go for the harem route and got burned?
I don't like how everyone is witty. I would like to see dialogs between Araragi and someone with a different style in picking words. At the core every character has the exact same way of talking.
Jesus christ, half-jokingly saying he's amazing because he's a harem MC that did what we all would have wanted is one thing, but having the blandest retard as your favorite MC says a lot about your taste.
The anime is complete shit and, makoto was very indecisive with his choice of picking girls. Eventually when he almost fell for one the girls the other girl would seduce him. And then he realized he situation with the girls he was involved with and taked advantage of that by just using them for sex and, yes in school days he has an abnormal sex drive.
Jotaro is just extremely boring. He punches things and says yare yare. That's it. It's made worse by him being the follow-up to how amazingly charismatic and entertaining Joseph was.
>I think exactly the same thing about a different series
Name it. Asking purely out of interest.
I don't agree with myself fully either. It's not like everyone uses that style of talking all the time. It's more like everyone seems to be capable to do so and capable to understand everyone doing so.
>It's more like everyone seems to be capable to do so and capable to understand everyone doing so.
Yep, that sums up Monogatari perfectly.
And that's why I said they're all unrealistically witty and clever
Did haruhi the series stay fundamentally simple or did it get complicated later? I mean the fact that haruhi is god and the characters around her act accordingly and accepting of that fact in a normal fashion. What I heard about genderbend stories and other god candidates made the story sound less clever and unnecessary abstruse.
The story doesn't change much. Short stories like in S1, bigger ones like Melancholy arc, Endless Eight or Disappearance. It's probably better because the characters get more and more development. Haruhi and Kyon are two of the best characters I've seen.
>constantly whining about how he'd rather be motorboating Asahina's tea
>constantly abusing Nagato's powers because he can't solve problems
>doesn't realize he has an amazing harem of ladies eating out of his hand
>continuously submits to Haruhi's whims despite his alleged preference for Mikuru
If I were Asakura, I would stab him too. I was actually hoping for a bit that the anti-brigade would succeed.
I prefer subs, but I'll admit to that.
So what are the canon pairings if there are any. I heard that Kyon choose the true Yuki as a waifu, the rest stayed single
I can't take LN seriously anymore after I read Highschool DxD. Not that it isn't clear that it doesn't represent every LN but that I don't find the motivation to ever start another LN because of it. LN adaptions being contentual trash most of the times doesn't make it any better.
He replaced the Asahina monologues with the Haruhi ones.
>implying he doesn't realize Haruhi loves him
>implying he can solve something without powers
>continuously submits to Haruhi's whims despite his alleged preference for Mikuru
You completely missed the point if you think that.
>better MC than Kyon?
Chances are that you think with your dick when picking a female MC. This option will always be less valid than a male MC. Also in anime history there were far more male MCs than females. It's only natural that they have a bigger spectrum of personalities.
Shouldn't the question be "Will there ever be an MC worse than Kyon?"
Also I tried watching Haruhi and holy shit why is that show popular? It combines the worst elements of harem and SoL into some horrible amalgation of shit.
So first girl rules applies here eh? Well Haruhi is not so bad i guess. Thanks for answering
Daily Reminder How Long We Have Waited For Hero Like Inaho
>No cringe-worthy eeehehh!? reactions
>No drama queen, no crying out loud like shounenshit
>Calm, intelligent, reliable, highly competent pilot
>Brave enough take up arms for his beloved ones
>No 'I can't fight b-because muh peace' shit
He is literally the MC we've all wanted for so long. Yet so many /a/nons never spamming bullshit autism and stupid le egg meme. If you all you can understand is crybaby shounenshit MCs, fine; please go and watch Naruto and never come back.
* This fucker right here
* The Izayoi
* Rick from Shining Bread
* Naru from Ghost Hunt
* Kazuya from Stiggaz Wind Attitude
There's no other possible pairing. Unless you make Haruhi disappear.
Read Yahari. It's the only LN that I didn't make me want to hang myself.
LN is what every talentless retard chooses.
If you knew how to draw you'd go with manga, if you knew how to write you'd go with books.
That's why most LNs are only good ideas(and sometimes good first volumes) turned into awful bland autistic garbage
Not to mention that his personality is still unique in japanese fiction, maybe even worldwide.
>Can we talk about the criteria what makes a MC good or bad?
>>Good MC = Actual personality
>Witty, interesting, and fun. Not an utterly pathetic beta retard.
>A dumb little teen right in his puberty is not a good MC.
Might I be so brazen as to suggest Keiichi?
He will always be my favorite MC.
So it's either "you're a pathetic shounen who'll never get the pussy" or "you're a bastard who gets the lot of pussy and dies because of some crazed bitch who wanted to be more than just your cock-sleeve."
FUCK YOUR CHOICES, WAPAN!!
If you like teen romance and 8man's personality, that is.
If you liked 8man, you're gonna adore it because most of it consists of his thoughts which basically don't exist in the anime besides very few scenes.
>3 hours since the beginning of the thread
>No Gintoki yet
Oh jesus christ, why does every LN do that shit?
>I walked into the room. Then I did X. Then I did Y. Suddenly, Z. I began to wonder if I should have done X and Y, because Z had just happened.
For pages on end. At first I assumed I was just reading shitty translations, but something that bland and repetitive has to be a fundamental issue.
This is like the third person who doesn't know how to read goddamn "Bake" as "Bake" as in "Bakemonogatari" as in "first anime in the series"
No one is talking about rest of the series, you retard.
Impotent pseudointellectual rants.
I'm so in love with this walking cookie-cutter character for her superficial traits!
Hey Nagato, I can't understand a thing you say, but can you do everything for me?
I don't even like monogatari that much, but Araragi is leagues better than a faggot like Kyon.
What's wrong with him? I thought his role as Kyon was well done.
>Impotent pseudointellectual rants.
More like in depth character analysis, funny comments and introspections.
>I'm so in love with this walking cookie-cutter character for her superficial traits!
He barely does that. What makes him interesting are his interactions with Haruhi and Nagato.
That's fucking precious. Did you actually even watch either of them?
Haruhi literally has two panty shots and 5 minutes of bunny suit. The presence or the absence of fanservice doesn't mean much anyway, what I dont like in Bakemonogatari is the lack of substance in the characters.
Reason why I think people believe Bake has more fanservice is because it appears more erotic considering how gloomy the visuals and the soundtrack are.
In Haruhi it's all comedic and upbeat.
Also Araragi gets flustered while Kyon doesn't give a shit.
>More like in depth character analysis, funny comments and introspections.
Nah. "Hey kids Santa isn't real, check out my awesome trilby!" Real fuckin' deep.
>his interactions with Haruhi and Nagato
Now you're sort of getting somewhere. He should have chose Nagato from the beginning. They were a match made in heaven. But no, instead he decides to thanklessly walk all over her, abuse her power and go for Haruhi because main-girl syndrome. I liked his interactions with Tsuruya in the novels. I hope we get some of that if more gets animated.
Nice /a/-related action image and ad-hominem.
>Most people don't even self insert.
Maybe only you. I can still remember ever self-inserting as Cocoa
>"Hey kids Santa isn't real, check out my awesome trilby!"
There's literally nothing wrong with the Santa speech. It just explains how Kyon stopped being a chuuni when he entered high school.
>He should have chose Nagato from the beginning
>But no, instead he decides to thanklessly walk all over her, abuse her power and go for Haruhi because main-girl syndrome
Thanks for proving you've totally missed the point.
Nah fanservice is just icing, it's the well done waifupandering which is unmatched by any other anime. This is an anime made for THE otaku. Nishio and Shinbou are stringing them along well.
jesus fuck, go rewatch Bake. It doesn't even have as close as much fanservice as you believe it has.
All those 40 episodes after it blurred your memory
>Impotent pseudointellectual rants.
These kind of people that don't understand simple witty dialog are the ones that like garbage self insert MCs and have shit taste in anime. How retarded do you have to be?
There's literally nothing "impotent pseudointellectual" about Kyon, not even close.
This is like my 20th post in this thread, it's time to cool down.
>Nah. "Hey kids Santa isn't real, check out my awesome trilby!" Real fuckin' deep.
It wasn't deep at all he was just explaining why he doesn't believe in fucking santa in a very sarcastic manner. That is in-depth analysis because it shows you just how sarcastic he is in taking a simple concept like santa and expanding it by introducing his reasoning behind not believing in santa. It's funny as fuck because it comes out of nowhere yet comes across so smooth. I'll give credit to Sugita's voice here because he does such a great job of showing that. It's one of my most favorite monologues from Kyon.
Can you name a worse MC than the generic harem owning info dumb spouting moralfag with his effeminate wimpy face and that generic japanese hairstyle with the relatively long hair that you know all to well and always being the straight man among his cast of crazy anime characters always with a comment most expected in a slapstic routine on his lips and school uniform wearing average guy but still the most special snowflake in the sky faggot?
You replied to me who was defending Bake, not Monogatari as a whole. Bakemonogatari, nothing else.
I fucking despise everything after it, it turned into ecchi harem garbage with a lot of talking where a lot of old characters turned parodies of themselves and new characters have no notable personalities besides making your dick hard(especially the fucking sisters)
He has a real personnality, a strong grip on reality and his monologues are funny. He's also an unreliable narrator which makes his interactions with Haruhi even more interesting.
Also i know that second season has good scenes, but they're too far inbetween while damage was already done.
And it still keeps happening
Looks like I'm gonna have to write BAKE in caps like an autist because people don't know how to read.
It fucking literally takes apart things like "conspiring organizations" (cyberpunk), "universal non-human organisms" (aliens), and time travel.
A good everyman character is easy to relate to.
I don't have any 0079 webms sadly
>A good everyman character is easy to relate to.
And it's not because you can relate to a character that he's a generic everyman (at least, not in the negative way it's portrayed).
Kyon is a well-written MC, that's the difference.
Josuke, Joseph, and Jolyne especially have vivid personalities anyone can like. Gappy is super weird in a loveable way. Jotaro's silence grows on you throughout part 3. Jonathan is so pure it's downright moe. Johnny's determination, sense of humor, and touching story make him a great character too. Same goes for Giorno.
Zenkichi is so badass that he gives up his own protagonist privelages
He was the only reason I kept playing the VN, he's fucking hilarious.
All the girls were surprisingly disappointing considering how much people love it.
Haven't watched the trainwreck that was the anime, but I hope they didn't butcher him
That reminds me- why did the story end with nearly everyone losing their powers?
I didnt get that.
Was the author implying that they were all just crazy kids, and upon growing up they just dissapeared because they were never there?
I dont get it.