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Who else would be in this game besides this two obvious fucks?
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Touma from Index.
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>>119345137
From these season alone Kanya and Maybe the juice man, hes got his issues though
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Would you, playing as either Gary Stu, be able to date the other option? This is important.
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>>119345163
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>>119345194
No I'm no homo
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>>119345137
Chirico
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>>119345163
Every fucking time. At least it's not OP this time.
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>tfw no otome dating sim featuring mary sue
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>>119345137
I already played it and all I did was stare at boys & ignore all the females.
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>>119345173
The Juice has massive fucking emotional problems from what I remember, but his character design and how he acts from time to time would probably lead you to think he might be a gary stu.

But I think this guys deserves a honorable mention.
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>>119345217
Now I've really lost it
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>>119345173
DR CLAW
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W-what about Shirou?
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>>119345137
The one and only
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>>119345325
Not attractive enough
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>>119345276
>Hated by everyone
>Hitler
>Gets fucked up in every orifice

>Gary Stu

I don't think you know what a Gary Stu, faggot
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toufag
mondaiji MC
ngnl MC
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>>119345173
The VN bored me to death but I must admit he is an interesting MC and the girls are top notch. Maybe someday I'll finish it.
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>>119345344
Well neither is Tatsuya.
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>>119345348
but ngnl mc is a piece of shit without his sister
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Totally this guy
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>>119345360
>The VN bored me to death
get passed the common route spin the mouse wheel if you have to
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>>119345325
Shirou has to many issues to be a Gary Stu. He's got plot armor and hax aplenty, but he's pretty fucked up to compensate for it.
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Where's the webm of onii sama cleaning dirty gooks
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dude from no game no life
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Final Boss / Unlock
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Rain
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>>119345398
I did, I got to where Makina's sister almost dies or something.
Just wasn't in the mood for a VN at the time.
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Anyone who thinks this is bait should be permanently IP range banned from /a/.

It's actually sickening that there are people here who not only don't understand that this guy is the worst self-insert possibly, they actually think he's an original character.

Do you autists not understand that all autists fantasize about being this autist? Everyone who wasn't popular sees themselves as the straight man and fantasizes about being dragged into social situations why wacky and eccentric people.
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>>119345574
wait you wanna ban a character because you don't like him?
man, let me ban free threads then, i hate fujo scum
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>>119345298
Does anybody have the updated one where all of the angels faces were also replaced?
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>>119345173
He could be a contender if we took his issues to mean he has EXTRA EDGE.
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>>119345574
This is a gary stu thread.
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>>119345137
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>>119345217
What is this based on?
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>>119345605
No, I want to ban everyone who said Hachiman is an original and unique character.

I want to ban everyone who thinks that he isn't a wish-fulfillment self-insert.

You can like him only if you're able to see how dime a dozen and pandering he is.
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>>119345137
>featuring dante from devil may cry

on a neptune gamestation im sold where can i preorder
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>>119345668
newfag detected
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>>119345614
A Gary Stu is a wish fulfillment self insert, and he's the worst one Japan has ever created.
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>>119345606
>>119345381
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>>119345660
You might have thought he was just a Gary Stu, but what you do not know that that wasn't even his final form
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>>119345722

All Gary Stus are Self Insert. Not all Self Inserts are Gary Stus, you retarded moron
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>>119345747
INB4 hes actually the soul king
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>>119345722
>>119345574
8man isn't a Gary Stu. Gary Stus are self-inserts by the authors, and by default have to have the world centered around them. That isn't the case for 8man, even though 8man is meant for people to self-insert (meaning to put themselves in the MC shoes) he isn't a Gary Stu.
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>>119345890
He is a self-insert by the author as well.

>and by default have to have the world centered around them
It does. The fact that you can't see that is bothersome.

Why can't you idiots understand THAT EVERY FUCKING LOSER IN THE WORLD SEES THEMSELVES AS THE STRAIGHT MAN? THERE IS NOT A SINGLE

>virgin
>autist
>unpopular guy
>asocial person

in the world who doesn't see themselves as a clever straight man surrounded by eccentricities?

He's the most low effort, bargain bin character you can find in anime. There are thousands of him out there, and he is made to pander and for self insertion fantasies.
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>>119345699
YOU CAN GET THE LE FOR ONLY 200 DOLLARS MORE!
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Akagi
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>>119345973
>>119345722
>>119345574
Seconding. Not saying i dislike him. But the fact people try to deny he's a cheap self insert for your average anime viewer bothers me.
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>>119346601
He is Gary Stu done well.
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Man I remember the Mahouka threads when it was airing and people were saying Tatsuya wasn't a self-insert or a Gary Stu
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>>119346887
If anything in Mahouka I was self-inserting in Miyuki while chanting Sasuga Onii-sama.
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>>119345574
Gary Stus are flawless. 8man has flaws
1. He's gross
2. No friends
3. Ugly laugh
4. Ugly eyes
5. Ugly hair
6. Rude
7. Selfish
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>>119345137
Interested in Mahouka for the misaki bitch. At all worth it?
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>>119345217
My sides
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>>119346887
Not surprising.
SAOfags actually believe that Kirito isn't a Gary Stu.
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>>119346973
Everything is worthless tease.
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>>119347019
I think Kirito is pretty bad at MMOs.
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>>119346963
You're making me embarrassed to be on /a/.

Everything you listed isn't actually a flaw. It's plays into his character type. He's supposed to be unpopular, rude, and friendless. That's the whole point of the wish-fulfillment. He's the straight man who's NOT LIKE THOSE OTHER PEOPLE, who marches to the beat of his own drum. He's what gross otaku idealize themselves as. His flaws are the Japanese equivalent of Hollywood flaws.
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All this thread proves is the overwhelming amount of new kids on /a/ now.
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>>119347044
This is a gary stu thread, not a self insert thread. Get that through your thick skull.
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>>119347100
A Gary Stu is a self insert. You shouldn't use terms without understanding them.
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>>119345137

yes/no?
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A Gary Stu and a Villain Sue in the same picture.
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>>119347136
see>>119345768
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>>119347100
>>119347136
Also, you seem to be misunderstanding the main point here.

You seem to think that Hachiman is a self-insert, as in he's there for the audience to "relate to".

He's not.

He's a self-insert in the sense that he's there for the audience to fantasize about being. He's a perfect, immaculate character type. He is perfect in his own way, you just can't see it.
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>>119347136
Are you retarded or what? Yeah sure Garu stu is a self insert but that doesn't mean that all self inserts are Gary Stu.
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>>119347136
All Gary Stu are self inserts, but not all self inserts are Gary Stu.
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>>119347143
Kaze no Stigma was the best, shame the author died.
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>>119347158
see >>119347183

Again, people like you make me embarrassed to be on /a/. You don't understand the concept of Hollywood flaws.
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>>119347136
Your definition is so broad it is meaningless. It's pretty common for the protagonist of any work of fiction to be the target of self-insertion by readers, regardless of how well they are written.
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>>119347199
A gary stu has a set definition, 8man does not fit that definition. He's a self insert but not a gary stu.
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>>119347152
Tatsumi had his ass handed to him too many times. Also,
>dead corpses
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I think some of you are confusing a "gary stu" with the typical protag/self insert.

The gary stu is supposed to be awesome invincible liked/feared/lusted after by all and have the entire world bend to them in their way.
Yes even in ways that make them feel ways that suck, like angry sad etc etc.

Wishfulfilment period.
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DA PINCHI
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>>119345344
He definitely is in the current anime
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>>119345574
8man is the kind of person who would complain about the MC of his actual favorite series being a Gary Stu in the first place but continue to read it because he's a giant faggot
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>>119347244
>>119347228
>>119347214
>>119347196
You guys aren't really getting it, which is really sad.

You think that Hachiman is just some loser guy, so you're assuming that we think that "Gary Stu" equals "someone you relate to".

Hachiman is a Gary Stu in the purest sense of the word, in that he's a perfect fantasy that most people who watch anime in Japan fantasize as being.

>BUT HE HAS FLAWS
As explained above, these are Hollywood flaws that create the fantasy. If he were captain of the Judo team, he wouldn't be a Gary Stu. It's BECAUSE he's a loser that he's such a fucking perfect character.
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>>119347143

Yeah defiantly a Gary, pity the author died before he finished it, I really enjoyed KnS
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>>119347340
Yes, we get it.
Stu's oft have "flaws" that are just flaws that build the character up.
Flaws are no different from actual positives however.
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>Tatsuya
>Gary Stu
Half the school hates and the other half wants to use him. Not even his own sister truly loves him, she's just obsessed with him.
How in the blue blazes is Tatsuya a Gary Stu?
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>>119345574
>a character some actual people relate to is a Gary Stu ONLY because some actual good things happen to him

What exactly is Hachiman so good at in an unbelievable way, again, anon? Talking to girls while actually being a shithead?
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>>119347375
If you get it, then it shouldn't trip you up that he's such a fucking Gary Stu, it's not even funny.
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>>119347198
>>119347356

If an author dies halfway through a series, can another artist pick it up after they're gone, or is it in bad taste? Wonder what the copy write laws are like in area 11, would love to see it finished.
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>>119347340
Holy shit you are dense. If he was captain of a judo team, the only way to be a gary stu is if you were an undefeated national champion that is still undefeated throughout the anime. Being a loser is not perfection.
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>>119347199
Since when is being extremely unpopular a Hollywood flaw? His flaws are extremely negative in the real world, and while it's true that he's a self-insert for other outcast types, very few people want to be like 8man, and most of the people who tell themselves they prefer to be that way are only doing it as a defense mechanism and are usually in a lot of pain. 8man himself is in a lot of pain which is the actual point of the 8man as Batman scene and every flashback that explains why he thinks the way he does.
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>>119347426
>Being a loser is not perfection.
YES IT IS YOU OTAKU FAGGOT

You don't want Hachiman to be a Gary Stu, because you're in love with him. That alone should let you know what a fucking Gary Stu he is.

He's a loser, yet he retains his dignity and doesn't embarrass himself by pining after the "normalfags" and their social lives. He's this incredible straight man who just wants to be left alone, but instead all the WACKY female characters keep trying to drag him away from his comfort zone.

He is an unrealistic, unattainable power fantasy that every otaku in Japan wants to be.
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>>119347487
You obviously have not read the recent volumes
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>>119347473
>Since when is being extremely unpopular a Hollywood flaw?
When the audience idealizes being unpopular.

But seriously, are you trying to be stupid? One person's Gary Stu might be a prince. Another person's Gary Stu might be a low-born man. Each can be a fantasy to different people. To otaku, being someone popular and well loved is a negative trait.

>His flaws are extremely negative in the real world
Not to otaku.

>very few people want to be like 8man
Factually wrong.

>and most of the people who tell themselves they prefer to be that way are only doing it as a defense mechanism and are usually in a lot of pain
Well, yeah.

>8man himself is in a lot of pain
And that's a Hollywood flaw. Being in pain is not a negative.

A realistic character is someone like Tomoko. She has no dignity. She is an absolute bottom feeder of a person, who fails at everything. Hachiman is a Gary Stu fantasy character for losers, who fantasize about being outcasts, but retaining their dignity and value nonetheless.
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>>119347487
>YES IT IS YOU OTAKU FAGGOT
[citation needed]
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This faggot.
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>>119347487
Goddamn anon, he can be whatever the fuck he wants, but in the state he is in, it does not make him a gary stu because he's not perfect in his world. He has not done anything incredible or impossible. Having girls around him does not make him a gary stu either, that is optional for a gary stu, being a self insert is too. This is a gary stu, Tatsuya is, Kirito is. 8man is not, he's a self insert but NOT a gary stu.
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>>119345217
>still keep seeing new bait images
Whoever makes them, please never stop.
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>>119347487
>He's a loser, yet he retains his dignity and doesn't embarrass himself by pining after the "normalfags" and their social lives.

Being a pretentious cunt and the closest anime has gotten to portraying a trenchcoat+fedora wearing faggot makes you a Gary Stu now? Hachiman is fucking insufferable
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>>119347555
>Gary-stu relativism
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>>119347590
This. While 8man may be entertaining to watch, I would hate the bastard if I were to actually meet him.
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>real life loser
-fat, ugly, sweaty, has acne, looks like a toad
>gary stu fantasy loser
-in shame, relatively good looking, clean skin, has "sharp eyes"

>real life loser
-desperately wants to be popular and accepted and do normalfag things
>gary stu fantasy loser
-just wants to be left alone in his own world and do his own personal hobbies

>real life loser
-constantly says retarded, awkward things and makes a fool of himself
>gary stu fantasy loser
-straight man who sighs and has a witty internal monologue, while other wacky people say wacky things around him

>real life loser
-sexually frustrated
>gary stu fantasy loser
-only has the slightest interest in romance and almost none at sex

>real life loser
-has no dignity
>gary stu fantasy loser
-has dignity

>real life loser
-nobody cares about him or notices him
>gary stu fantasy loser
-for whatever reason has people pestering him, preventing him from leading his quiet life
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>>119347567
this.
rain easily beat keyritoh, onii-sama, touman, etc.
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>>119347571
He IS a Gary Stu by several orders of magnitude more than the Mahouka protagonist is. You don't even know what a Gary Stu is, you fucking newfag. A Gary Stu isn't someone who shoots beams out of his face and wins fights all the time, you fucking idiot.
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>>119347555
So basically, every male character ever written is a Gary Stu because someone somewhere wants to be him
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>>119347674
A perfect person is a gary stu, it doesn't even have to be from an action show.
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>>119347645
>real life loser
-desperately wants to be popular and accepted and do normalfag things
>gary stu fantasy loser
-just wants to be left alone in his own world and do his own personal hobbies

Are you fucking retarded?
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>>119347555

By that logic Tomoko would be a Gary Stu fantasy character for losers who fantasize about being an absolute bottom feeder of a person who fails at everything
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>>119347693
>>119347687
Are you fucking retarded shitposters serious?

Do you think everyone sees Sakamoto as a perfect person? Do you think everyone sees James Bond as a perfect person?

One person sees the former and thinks, "What a loser, he's not even fucking all the girls at school". Another person sees the latter and thinks, "What a loser, he can't even be happy and get married".

There is no such thing as a Gary Stu for everyone. Characters like Hachiman are Gary Stus for losers, especially otaku. He is a perfect character for the people who love him.
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This guy
:^)
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>>119347645
>>119347717
Let me explain why I think that's retarded. Not every loser want to join with society, this can be in fact be part of their special form of loserdom. There are many types of losers and you can not separate it into "Loser" and "Gary Stu Loser".
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>>119347487
If maintaining dignity and self-confidence instantly makes one a Gary Stu, I fucking love them all.

The alternative is Mirai Nikki or something, from your awful definition.
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>>119347748
So I'm retarded, and then the whole rest of your rant was restating what I said only serious.
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>>119347726
No, you idiot. Tomoko is not a Gary Stu, because she lacks dignity and is worse than everyone in every way.

Characters like Hachiman are Gary Stus because they idealize being a loser and make him a dignified straight man, rather than the awkward, stuttering, absolute failure he is.

>what you think losers fantasize about
-"ONE DAY I'M GOING TO BE A SUPER STRONG HERO AND GET THE GIRL AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY TO MAKE EVERYONE LOVE ME!"

>what losers actually fantasize about
"Ha ha, I'm not like those normalfags with their wasted expenditures. I can see that life is all about going with the flow and not putting in too much effort. Ah, I can't wait to go home and work on my puzzles and play chess. Ha ha, I'm just like an old grandpa, aren't I? Yep, my ideal world is just to be left alone and do quiet things".
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Jesus this dude is hell bent on proving hikigaya is a gary stu
Now, lemme ask this man
why you don't like him?
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>>119347748
>There is no such thing as a Gary Stu for everyone
It's pretty evident when you see a gary stu. 8man is not. You have to be trolling, but you actually believe he is flawless.
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>>119347783
>The alternative is Mirai Nikki or something, from your awful definition.
Shinji and Yukiteru are slightly better characters than the Hachiman archetypes. They're effeminate losers who desperately crave friendship and acceptance, but always fall flat on their fucking faces. But what mucks it up is the fact that they both have special abilities and have girls fawning all over them.

They're not Gary Stus, but they still fall under the umbrella of wish-fulfillment archetypes.
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>>119347748

>There is no such thing as a Gary Stu for everyone.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>Characters like Hachiman are Gary Stus for losers, especially otaku.
Where is the evidence?
>He is a perfect character for the people who love him.
Proof?
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>>119347805
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>>119347847
But 8man somehow is?
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>>119347487
>He's a loser, yet he retains his dignity and doesn't embarrass himself by pining after the "normalfags" and their social lives. He's this incredible straight man who just wants to be left alone, but instead all the WACKY female characters keep trying to drag him away from his comfort zone.
You're reading things on the surface. Just look at this shit. It isn't gospel; it's what most anyone would see it as, the pathetic musings of some bitter loser.

On the surface, Hachiman is the ideal loner and people of course identify with him or want to be in his place, since this is set up like the average LN romcom. But what disqualifies Hachiman as a Gary Stu isn't that he's a loser, but that his loser mentality has a negative impact on his life. He really isn't satisfied being alone and he isn't as smart as he thinks he is. But he's going to keep lying and digging deeper into a hole.

This isn't what the otaku and anon want to be. Like Shinji, this is who they really are.
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>>119345137
Swagamoto
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>>119347748
>Implying that whenever someone considers a character to be perfect that automatically becomes a "Mary Sue" or "Gary Stu" in his eyes.

You just don't get it.
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Self-insert/wish-fulfillment, overpowered and Gary Stu do not have the same meaning, although most of them have element of the others that play into their meaning.

Tatsuya is overpowered and badly written, but I don't know if he's a gary stu(self inset of the author), as that title goes to Miyuki

8man is mostly self-insert for readers

Kirito is probably a combination of all 3
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>>119347815
This is the reason: >>119347826

I have no particular hatred for Hachiman other than the fact that idiots gravitate towards him, without seeing what a cheap Gary Stu he is. I've seen threads where people have gone as far as to call him an original character.

It doesn't take an intellect to understand how perfect characters like Hachiman are. A fifth grader could point out that his "flaws" are what make him desirable.

Saying he isn't a Gary Stu is like saying someone like, say, Hawkeye from Last of the Mohicans isn't a Gary Stu, because he's a homeless wanderer. The whole reason Hawkeye is so idealized is that he's a noble savage who's "above" material things, like castles and land ownership.
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>>119347855
I proved it in the comment you're responding to. See >>119347748

Read it a couple times before responding again.
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>>119347893
Tats is nothing more than a tool on his own story really
Nigga got his emotions taken way to become a chink killing machine
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>>119347890
It's hilarious watching you go back and forth.

>You don't understand, a Gary Stu isn't a self-insert.
>You don't understand, a Gary Stu isn't a perfect character.

Just admit that you don't know what a Gary Stu is.
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>>119347898
Did you read the LN to get a more in depth or this is based on his anime version?
Not trying to start shit here, just asking questions
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>>119347866
Yes, because he has dignity. In real life, nearly all losers lack dignity. If you want to write a realistic loser, the first step is to take away his dignity.

Hachiman is what losers fantasize about being: a dignified, disinterested straight man living in his own little world.
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>>119347914
That's not proof. That's you saying this without proof.
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>>119347914
That is not a gary stu at all. Being a lose is not being a gary stu. Liking a character for the purpose of self insertion is not either.
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>>119347951
Hachiman has no dignity, it's a sham. He's very hypocritical in his ways.
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>>119347999
He even went the white album 2 route in order to keep the girls in the club
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>>119347873
>this is who they really are
It isn't, though. That's the point.

Hachiman is NOT who otaku really are. Tomoko is who they really are. Hachiman is who they want to be.

Yes, deep down inside he wants to be accepted. Yes, his personality is something of a facade. That's not really the point. Nobody in real life can be Hachiman. You can't be as disinterested as him. You can't be as cool-blooded as him. You can't enter into situations like he gets dragged into without making an absolute fool of yourself.

In real life, losers are awkward and ignored. In the fantasy world, losers are kind of cool in their own way and always have someone trying to drag them out of their hole.
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>>119347999
He's also not disinterested. He says to himself that he's disinterested and then meddles nonstop in other people's problems.
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>>119347930
Are you really that retarded? Since when Mary Sue character are liked by those who read them?

Mary Sue characters are totally and utterly despised by readers, while they are totally revered in the story they are in.

You are trying to make a point that Hachiman is a Gary Stu because he's the perfect model for Otaku (who watch the anime) while he is a loser in the story he is in. Which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what happens with any Gary Stu character.
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>>119347951

>Yes, because he has dignity.
[citation needed]
>In real life, nearly all losers lack dignity.
[citation needed]
>If you want to write a realistic loser, the first step is to take away his dignity.
[citation needed]

>Hachiman is what losers fantasize about being
[citation needed]
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>>119347961
>>119347969
People would say that Sakamoto is perfect, but others would disagree.

People would say that James Bond is perfect, but others would disagree.

What you consider perfect is dependent on your own values. Some people might see royalty as part of perfection, while others still might consider being self-made as part of perfection. Some people might consider wealth part of perfect, while others might consider a lack of possessions as part of perfection.
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>>119348045
Do you really think he will back anything up with facts?
All he's doing is saying the exact same thing over and over again.
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>>119348045
>>In real life, nearly all losers lack dignity.
>[citation needed]
Stopped reading there.
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>>119345137

Every main character from a light novel. Especially if it's one of those "person from the normal world gets transported to another world" types.
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>>119348074
But James Bond is perfect, he is an evident gary stu. Nobody would disagree.
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>>119348044
>Mary Sue characters are totally and utterly despised by readers
Then I guess Kirito isn't a Gary Stu, since he's fairly well beloved. He's hated on /a/, sure, but by legitimate fans of SAO, he's well-liked.

See, you're just going back and forth on the definition of Gary Stu. You honestly don't know what it means.
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>>119347769
I don't know why, but I have a hard time considering the Major a Mary Sue. She fits most of the usual criteria, far better than any other Shirow female, but it just feels wrong.
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>>119347152
>Villain Sue
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>>119348094
Not every loser is a depressive wreck, constantly looking for validation, even if there are moments--but just who isn't that true for? If you truly believe this, I think you just lack empathy, experience with losers, and/or observational skills.
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>>119348109
Lots of people would disagree. For most people, finding a soulmate is the ultimate pursuit. James Bond is basically a manwhore who has to go from girl to girl because he can't commit. And remember when Goldfinger had him in the laser and James had to lie like a bitch to get out of it? That's not very Gary Stu-ish.
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>>119348118
>but by legitimate fans of SAO, he's well-liked.
All "legitimate fans" of SAO I know are retarded kids who keep denying that Kirito is a Gary Stu.

Anyone who states that Kirito is a Gary Stu while claiming that SAO is a good show, clearly doesn't understand the implication of what "Gary Stu" character means: bad writing.
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>>119348094
Most popular people have no dignity at all. They gave it up to become popular. Sasha Gray is a popular porn star. Do you think she has any dignity though? I highly doubt it.
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>>119348158
In this thread you have defined being in pain because of rejection by society/peers as a hollywood flaw and fucking every hot chick you see as an actual flaw. This is why no one is buying your definition of Gary Stu
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>>119348147
You're in denial. You're like everyone else, trying to romanticize loserdom.
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>>119348025
Underneath the bullshit, Hachiman is who they really are. Sure Tomoko is more explicit case but Watamote is of a different nature anyway while this is presenting itself as an anti-romcom.

I think this series shows how losers can be their own problem and the 'cool' is just a covering. Losers get their fantasy self but it's still unpleasant.
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>>119348094
Not having dignity or self respect is the first step to loserdom. No dignity means you are capable of letting things spiral downward in the first place
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>>119348189

Didn't you hear? Sasha Gray is one of the most dignified, intelligent women alive.

She only did porn because her boyfriend lied about being in the CIA and told her she needed to do porn and eat jizz off of toilet seats as part of his cover story.
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>>119348189
Dignity doesn't exist in a vacuum. How much dignity you have is dependent on how people see you.

If some fratboy is running naked across the frat house with his pants down, trying to get to the bathroom, and accidentally poops his pants, everyone would think it was hilarious. All his bros would slap him on the back and laugh at him, and he'd laugh with them.

If a loser was running with his pants down, trying to reach the bathroom, and accidentally pooped his pants, it'd be a soul crushing moment that would scar him for life. Nobody would let him hear the end of it and he'd probably end up committing suicide.
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If you say that by having notable social flaws, you can't be Mary Sue, then why /a/ always blames Sora from NGNL for being a Mary Sue?
Inb4 HURRR always wins. He doesn't win alone. It's actually Shiro who does most of the work always inside the games and he's there just for the meta-strategy, and in the LN there was already a case of Shiro doing that part as well.
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>>119347390
>How in the blue blazes is Tatsuya a Gary Stu?
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>>119348211
Also, there are different kinds of losers. Hachiman is in a similar class to Holden Caulfield.
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>>119348207
What you're doing is creating this idea of a loser and trying to force everyone you define as a loser into it, and it just doesn't work that way. I'm telling you that not every piece of shit stinks the same.
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>>119348200
>In this thread you have defined being in pain because of rejection by society/peers as a hollywood flaw
Are you actually trying to say that isn't?

Holy fuck, you people will go to any lengths to defend your delusions. Even among normalfags, that kind of thing is a Hollywood flaw. Everyone idealizes a character who is mistreated by popular people. That isn't even something unique to otaku.

>ucking every hot chick you see as an actual flaw
I love catching you idiots in contradictions. As I've already pointed out, Sakamoto doesn't fuck anyone, yet he's still called a Gary Stu.

How do you rationalize that? I'm waiting.
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>>119348309
>Everyone idealizes a character who is mistreated by popular people. That isn't even something unique to otaku.
That's pity, not idolization. You pity 8man, you don't want to be him or in his situation, especially when the girls are complete bitches.
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>>119348265
How would he poop his pants if he was naked? Also, why would he be running with his pants around his ankles?
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>>119348211
>Underneath the bullshit, Hachiman is who they really are
No, it isn't.

No loser is a straight man.

No loser is that disinterested in sex and romance.

No loser "just wants to be left alone".

No loser has wacky, attractive people who need him for some reason.

No loser retains his dignity.

Tomoko isn't a special case; she's nearly every loser.

>I think this series shows how losers can be their own problem and the 'cool' is just a covering.
Hachiman isn't just pretending to be cool. He's cool in a very unrealistic way.

I know you fantasize about being Hachiman, but you can't actually be him. You're Tomoko. You just want to be Hachiman.
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>>119348347
He's running and his belt comes loose. The poop falls and hits his pants.
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>>119345574
>>119345722
Under that logic, Nozomu Itoshiki is also a Gary Stu
Hell, that would even make Tomoko a Mary Sue
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>>119347674
"The term "Mary Sue" comes from the name of a character created by Paula Smith in 1973 for her parody story "A Trekkie's Tale"published in her fanzine Menagerie The story starred Lieutenant Mary Sue ("the youngest Lieutenant in the fleet — only fifteen and a half years old"), and satirized unrealistic Star Trek fan fiction. Such characters were generally original female adolescents who had romantic liaisons with established canonical adult characters, or in some cases were the younger relatives or protégées of those characters"
Taken from wikipedia but the point is that origin of the word comes from a flawless and invincible character written by a third-rate writer. The term is used NOT used to mock general self-insert but rather the perfect, two dimensional characters. Now that we're clear with the definition of "gary stu", I think the problem is not the term "Gary Stu" but the term "self-insert" which is too broad. Gary stu is a character that is perfect and have the world in their hands; far from relatable. Self- insert in this context is someone everyone WANTS to be. As for hachiman, he is your typical edgy teenager on puberty; far from a gary stu. Now, self- insert in this context is someone relatable to most people, you can UNDERSTAND where they are coming from.
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>>119348344
>That's pity, not idolization.
No, it really is idealization.

Harry Potter is idealized because he's a mistreated orphan. If he didn't have that background, his character wouldn't be as special.

Going through hardships and having a low birth is something a lot of people romanticize.
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>>119345668
Looks like blade wolf from revengeance
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>>119348348
Why even encourage people into telling themselves they're like anime characters? They're unrealistic in a way that is entertaining (to enough people, at least). If anything anons here need to realize they don't even reach the level of 'loser' characters. They're no one and they have no value outside of what their poor mothers might feel for them. I'm not claiming to be different, either.
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>>119348409
>Self- insert in this context is someone everyone WANTS to be.
That's the fucking point. Everyone who watches anime wants to be Hachiman.

>As for hachiman, he is your typical edgy teenager on puberty; far from a gary stu
I don't want to keep copypasting the same things, so stop this shit alright. He's not even close to being typical. He's more unrealistic than a character that can blow up planets with his mind.
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>>119348412
You feel sorry for him, you are not idolizing. You idolize powerful people, not losers. Your definition is too warped.
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>>119348309
I'm talking about how you characterized James Bond. You can tell because I was responding to your post that talked about James Bond.

People don't want to be in emotional pain. People are empathetic towards others in pain. But people don't want to be in pain themselves.
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>>119348348
>No loser is a straight man.
His delusion.
>No loser is that disinterested in sex and romance.
Did you even watch it? Hachiman is actually interested in both. He's full of shit.
>No loser "just wants to be left alone".
Just another lie on his part.
>No loser has wacky, attractive people who need him for some reason.
Even if they did, their mentalities would push them away.
>No loser retains his dignity.
Hachiman has no dignity to retain.
>Hachiman isn't just pretending to be cool. He's cool in a very unrealistic way.
For you because you clearly buy into the lies, since you're not a smart viewer.

Here's your reply, you won't be getting another.
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>>119347487
>WAAAAAH! I'M THE ONLY ONE RIGHT AND ALL YOU OTAKU FAGGOTS ARE WRONG!
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>>119348429
>If anything anons here need to realize they don't even reach the level of 'loser' characters
They don't. That's the problem.

/a/ is full of delusional idiots who think that Gary Stus are battle shounen heroes and that characters like Hachiman are original, well-written characters who accurately paint the human condition.

/a/ needs to realize that it's easier to be Kirito than it is to be Hachiman.
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>>119348412
Harry Potter is a normal boy living in unfortunate circumstances who is suddenly told he is in fact magical Jesus. Without the magical Jesus part he would just be someone you feel sorry for.
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>>119348490
I'm telling you for a fucking fact that that's wrong.

This isn't up for debate.

This isn't something that can be disagreed with.

If Harry Potter was royalty, he would be less perfect, not more perfect. You don't seem to realize that certain weaknesses are actually strengths. This is where the idea of "Hollywood flaws" comes from.
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>>119348490
He's making perfect sense, it's the concept of the underdog. They come from humble or unfortunate circumstances but don't submit to them the way most people do (ie being a shit person that blames their past for their lack of success in x y or z). Fiction displays this stuff as noble.
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>>119348499
>People don't want to be in emotional pain. People are empathetic towards others in pain. But people don't want to be in pain themselves.
What the fuck are you even talking about? What people want in real life is vastly different from what they want in fiction.

In real life, most people want to live a quiet life, with their wife and kids, while having money in the bank. In fiction, a character like that would not be called a Gary Stu.

So yes, having a tragic background and being in emotional pain can make a character more perfect. People love to see dark, brooding characters. That doesn't make the characters less flawed. It's a fake, Hollywood flaw that makes them look better.
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>>119348568
>If Harry Potter was royalty, he would be less perfect, not more perfect
Where did you even learn the definition for gary stu anyway?
>>119348580
That's character development, not a gary stu.
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Does a Gary Stu count as a Gary Stu if said Gary Stu died super fucking hard?
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>>119348520
>BAWWWWW IM LIKE HACHIMAN I REALLY AM IM NOT A LOSER LIKE TOMOKO HACHIMAN IS SO COOL AND UNIQUE HES MY FAVORITE CHARACTER AND IM TOTALLY LIKE HIM SO HE ISNT A GARY STU
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>>119348514
That's the trick, he maintains his facade WAY better than any real person would do in his place, that's what it means to "retain its dignity", in the sense that he can effectively make people buy into his charade.
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>>119348640
would you fags stop this shit already?
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>>119348612
Oh I thought we were talking about Gary Stus but apparently what you thought we were talking about "How to write a character that people would be interested in reading"
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>>119348640
But nobody thinks he's cool or unique. Quite the opposite in this thread.
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>>119348520
>>119348640
You both smell and are dumb.
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>>119348544
/a/ doesn't need to realize anything. /a/ needs to discuss anime and manga
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>>119348554
>Without the magical Jesus part he would just be someone you feel sorry for.
It's the opposite.

Without the living in unfortunate circumstances part, he'd just be some random guy who gets super powers.

The whole reason people gravitate towards him is because he's a diamond in the rough type. He was mistreated and knows hardship, but "still knows how to love" and all that garbage.

Seriously, you guys aren't thinking. This is elementary stuff. If you can't understand how hardship and low birth make characters more perfect, then you've been living in a bubble too long.
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>>119348616
NO IT'S FUCKING GARY STU-ISM

WHY THE FUCK IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU IDIOTS

SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT ROYAL BLOOD MAKES A CHARACTER MORE PERFECT

BUT JUST AS MANY PEOPLE DON'T

HOLY FUCK, ARE YOU ALL FUCKING STUPID?

200 YEARS AGO AN IDEAL BRITISH HERO WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME PRINCE WHO DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS A PRINCE

BUT 200 YEARS AGO THE IDEAL AMERICAN HERO WAS A DIRT POOR HERO WHO DIDN'T CARE ABOUT WEALTH OR POLITICS AND JUST WANDERED THE LAND

>B-B-B-B-B-B-BUT A GARY STU IS SOMEONE EVERYONE WANTS TO BE LIKE

THERE

IS

NO

ONE

THAT

ALL

PEOPLE

WANT TO BE LIKE

PERFECTION IS NOT AN OBJECTIVE CONCEPT HOLY FUCK YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING STUPID
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>>119348638
>Super swole
>Always does whats right
>Ungodly strength
>Takes down a vampire without even knowing the Ripple
>When he does learn the ripple it just so happens he has the PERFECT ripple
>dies like a bitch
I actually think Jonathan might be one of the biggest Gary Stu's
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>>119348683
Prove it
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>>119348683
I guess Riki from Little Busters is perfect then. He's exactly like Harry Potter besides the magic.
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>>119348659
It's the fact that they think he's cool and unique that's causing people to deny that he's a Gary Stu.

Hachiman is an ordinary wish-fulfillment Gary Stu, but /a/ has been worshiping him since the series began.
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>>119345217
What is this, a bait for ants?
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>>119348646
Most everyone sees through it. They either know he's just a nice guy underneath the edgy loner stuff or see him as a loser and don't give a shit about him. Both are right.
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>>119348731
>caps lock
Is this satire?
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>>119348664
How can you discuss anime and manga if you're not even smart enough to grasp grade school level concepts? I'm not asking you rhetorically. Answer the question.

For instance, let's say we were discussing One Punch Man and someone said, without facetiousness,

>Guys, I think Saitama is lying about how he got his power. It's not realistic that basic training like that would give him ultimate power. Why do you think he's making it up?

Does that constitute discussion?

Is that the type of /a/ you want to have?

We need intelligence here. We need self-awareness.
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>>119348731
Nah
You're wrong
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>>119348731
I actually agree partially with you (not on everything), but your ass is so ravaged your posts could be tagged as scat doujins.
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>>119345276

>Gary Stu
>Ends up blind, crippled and alone because everyone in the entire fucking world is a selfish dickbag in one way or another.
>Especially his friends
>Especially his adopted brother and sister
>Especially his one girlfriend

To be honest, I'm surprised there isn't an OVA of Guilty Crown of him being sad in the three year interval. It can be funded by beating up orphans, collecting and selling their tears to keep in the spirit of things.
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>>119348640
>implying anybody thinks 8man is cool and unique
>implying you're not the biggest loser for trying so hard
>implying your own opinion is more correct than an opinion of dozens
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>>119348776
No it's cancer
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>>119348731
>BUT 200 YEARS AGO THE IDEAL AMERICAN HERO WAS A DIRT POOR HERO WHO DIDN'T CARE ABOUT WEALTH OR POLITICS AND JUST WANDERED THE LAND
That's just an underdog, not a gary stu.
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HE'S STILL GOING
HOLY FUCK
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>>119348735
Prove what? That it's the hardship stuff that makes Harry Potter Gary Stu-ish?

Okay, ever heard of American Gods? I'm sure you have. It's a popular novel. Now, do you know anything about the protagonist? Of course you don't. He's a fucking normal, uninteresting faggot. Sure, he goes through some hardships, but at the same time, they don't lay it on thick, like that he was whipped by his evil aunt and forced to live in the cupboard underneath the stairs. And even though he's a fucking god at the end, nobody gives a shit.

Same thing with Peter Parker. He didn't get popular because of his powers. He got popular because being a super hero caused everything to fall apart for him in his personal life.
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>>119348801

>How can you discuss anime and manga
By discussing anime and manga. We've been doing it before you got here and we'll be doing it after you leave
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>>119348120
He is.
It just feels wrong because "she's" the least popular part of "her" own show.
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>>119345574
>"In fan fiction, a Mary Sue or, in case of a male character, Gary Stu is an idealized character, often but not necessarily an author insert and/or wish-fullfillment.[1]"
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>>119348876
>american
opinion discarded :^)
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This is like watching two kids have a verbal fight and you thinking heh what fags, then the one kid pulling a knife and you thinking how this was your future considering you ate some damn good corn flakes. You did nothing wrong and now you know that this happened.
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>>119348894
Answer the question. Is this discussion:

>>Guys, I think Saitama is lying about how he got his power. It's not realistic that basic training like that would give him ultimate power. Why do you think he's making it up?

Is that discussion?

>We've been doing it before you got here and we'll be doing it after you leave
I've been here longer than you and will be here long after you fuck off back to middle school.
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>>119348850
He does have a point in a way. Many Gary Stus are underdogs, that's an immensely common way to write them. The difference between a normal underdog and a Gary Stu is that a Gary Stu will probably be an underdog that's also secretly the key to everything with everyone crawling on his dick including the villain by the time the story is over. He seems to be implying that just being an underdog alone makes a character more Gary Stu-ish, which is untrue.
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>>119348902
>I can't think of a Counter Argument :^)
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>>119348918
No this is like watching a WWE match with undertaker on it
you know some bullshit will keep it going
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>>119348947
>undertaker
>relevant at all ever since he lost to cena
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>>119348961
>cena
what
Undertaker never lost to Cena
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>>119348919

I've been here longer than you
No you haven't
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>>119348930
Then why didn't he say that instead of looking like a headless chicken? Jesus, I'm effectively tired of typing.
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>>119348482
Never-mind my previous argument, I was typing it pretty late. Seeing your arguments, pointing out Tomoko, your definition of loser; the problem is not the word gary stu or self insert but rather the depiction of a "loser" in the show. In other words, you just want a real loser - someone lowest of the low with no room for redemption-, according to your definition.

Well if you want something "real" then fiction is not for you. If you want see a loser then go look in the mirror, or the streets. I can see why you hate hachiman idolized as some ideal loner or god of loners by some people, I must I say I hate that too. I think you simply hate loner and cynical characters, but for me the charm of those character is a more satisfying character development. Hachiman may not become sociable person but at least he become more willing to have friends in the LN.
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On topic: Those two fucker from Grisaia something and Amagi brilliant something.
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>>119348961
>cena
>not rigged
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>>119345137
Where's Touma? Cause, you know, he is always right no matter what.
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Guys, I'm going to write a Harry Potter fanfic with my own personal character who is TOTATLY NOT A MARY SUE GUISE.

>One day Harry Pootter when to school and then Professor Dimbledob introduced a new character, Sable. Sable was a slender girl with a slash of pink hair that covered one eye and she wore fingerless gloves.
>Sable went over to Harries Potter and said, "Hi Harry Pottle my name is Sable and I'm the new girl at school and I'm a half-wearwolf/half-animagus: form of the wolfe. I can do silent spell and also I feel connected with you. You see my step parents beat me
>and then they made me stay in the cupboard underneat the cupboard underneath the stairs nad my step brother Doobley wouldnt give me his third bedroom and he raped me once."
>Then Harold Powder said, "Sable you are really cool I want you on my Quoudish team we need your help to stop Voldimorth!"

I added in the flaw about being mistreated because I didn't want my character to be too perfect. Gotta add in those flaws, right guise?
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>>119349052
Yuuji ain't that bad
now his fucking sister is
jesus fuck that dr claw bitch
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>>119349031
Realistic losers aren't even that rare. Again, Shinji and Yukiteru are both fairly realistic losers, from the standpoint of their personality. They're insecure, desperate, and socially awkward.

I don't mind characters like Hachiman existing as long as people recognize how unrealistic and idealized they are.
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>>119349092
God bless the USA
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>>119349143
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>>119346887
SAO and Mahouka fags will always say that their character are deep, complex and not Gary Stues.
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>>119349226
>mahoukafags not going islam
nigga the threads are all ONII-SAMA AKBAR
and best girl sp posting
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>>119349226
I don't think that SAOfags anywhere have ever said Kirito is deep, and people just watch Mahoka for the wincest.
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>>119349143
>I don't mind characters like Hachiman existing as long as people recognize how unrealistic and idealized they are.
Go tell /r9k/ they're being unrealistic and idealized losers and get back to this thread, anon
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Toru.

But Toru is actually tolerable character since he doesn't really asspull much.
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>>119349284
>implying anyone on /r9k/ is as perfect as Hachiman
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>>119349143
Not saying 8man isn't unrealistic or idealized, but losers come in different colors and stripes. It isn't all about showing weaknesses so vividly.
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>>119349320
Hachiman is a shit
A big gay shit
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Mahouka had the best OC
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>>119349344
Don't you get it? Hachiman doesn't care what you think. He doesn't need to fit in. He doesn't have the energy to keep up with you hot blooded youths.
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>>119349384
Was the ninja part ever explained or was it just "Super ninja training from hell"?
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>>119345447
I feel if 5 was average human level, 7 would be if a particular stat was trained by an athlete, and 8 by one of those "greatest of all time" 6x gold medalist athletes in one or two particular stats, while typically coordinator newtype would straight 8s.
Straight 9s being superman and 10 being goku
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>>119349565
His mentor is a legit ninja yeah
His traning was so hardcore, all his natural specs are on almost magic level
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>>119349609
Did he finally fuck his father then?
Dude has some obvious daddy issues.
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I know who's a Mary Sue: Kirino. Love seeing her fans deny it.
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>>119349542
Hachiman isn't a mere self-insert. It's a perfect, idealized self-insert.

Kyon isn't quite as bad, because he isn't supposed to be a loser. Keima, however, is definitely a Gary Stu.
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>>119349630
His father just made a cameo and never came back.
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>>119349264
You weren't here for the LNfaggots of yesteryear. SAO is well-written I tell you, just not the parts that have been adapted yet.
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>>119345276
Shu is my favorite anime character.
I'm serious.
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>>119349652

>It's a perfect, idealized self-insert.
[citation needed]
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>>119349658
Just like in real life then.
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>>119349731
>[citation needed]
The citation is an anime called Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru.
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>>119348733
You're looking at the wrong JoJo.
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>>119349806
>Anime
Yep
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The funniest part is that Komatsu is even bigger Mary than Toriko who has the manga named after him
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The autism is strong in this thread

Jesus fucking Christ
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Gary-stu: Perfect character without flaws.-Kirito
Self-instert: Character without personality so the viewer can relate to him- Kyon
Hachiman has personality and flaws as a person, the only reason why people bitch about it is because he gets the pussy.
Welcome to the Wish fulfillment industry everybody!
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>>119350512
Gary-stu: Perfect character without real flaws.-Hachiman

Hachiman has only Hollywood flaws. Meanwhile, he has a devil may care, straight man persona that is not only unattainable, but is sought after by every otaku on the planet.

Hachiman is objectively a Gary Stu, and this cannot be argued. People who don't see this are underage shitposters.
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>>119350469
Yeah, the problem is that criticizing Hachiman hits too close to home for /a/. They want to believe that they can be like him and that they aren't fanfags gushing over their favorite Gary Stu. Too many anons can't turn their criticism inwards.
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>>119345137
In most games you are already a Gary Stu though.
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* A real flaw is something like making a fool of yourself, trying to act cool in front of others.

* A fake Hollywood flaw is not understanding the appeal of normal social interaction and wanting to be left in your own little world.

Tomoko exemplifies the former. Gary Stus like Hachiman exemplify the latter.
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>>119345343
Finished Seed just to see how much of a fucking GaryStew this guy is.

Fucker survived a self-destruct gundam on his fucking face. What the flying fuck. Then 1 episode later, his on a the PLANT for I don't know how the fuck he went there quickly.

Gonna watch Destiny now.
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Is 8man is a gary stu, is Kurosawa a gary stu too?
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>>119350691
Hachiman is not a Gary Stu though
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>>119350713
Getting mistreated can be Gary Stu-ish, but having your best laid plans fall apart and getting NTR'd because of it does not constitute a Gary Stu.
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>>119348120
Because she actually has a backstory to why she's so good.

Same goes for Ed in FMA, he is pretty gary stuish in brotherhood but I don't think it's so bad since it shows he's been trained fucking hard his whole life and had seen the truth.

Most of the Gary Stu's posted here are just good because they're good, never really explained they just happen to have this bullshit power that enables them to do just about anything.
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>>119350759
Objectively speaking, Hachiman is a Gary Stu, and you are everything wrong with /a/.

Please leave.
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Is Simon a Gary Stu?
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>>119350801
He's not
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Do you guys ever get depressed with /a/? Like, you come here, thinking you've gone to a place with people who aren't like all the insufferable faggots out there, then /a/ shows you that they are exactly like everyone else?

For example, maybe there's a shoujo thread, and suddenly everyone starts saying,

>SHOUJO MANGA IS FULL OF ABUSIVE BOYFRIENDS WHY DO GRILLS ONLY DATE JERKS?

So even though you thought /a/ was full of people who rejected 3DPD, the reality is that it's just full of bitter nice guys pretending to hate 3DPD. Then you have a series come out with a really cliched Gary Stu, but instead of realizing this, you have anons going

>GUYS 8MAN IS SO COOL AND UNIQUE. LOL DARK KNIGHT AMIRITE? WOW THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS IN YEARS HE'S JUST LIKE ME I ACT LIKE HIM IN REAL LIFE JAPAN FINALLY WROTE AN ORIGINAL CHARACTER.
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>>119350691
>A fake Hollywood flaw is not understanding the appeal of normal social interaction and wanting to be left in your own little world.
It isn't a fake one if the character has it because he's a bitter failure. It's active (legitimately 'devil may care', Byronic) vs reactive (resentful, only this way because of your shortcomings).
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>>119350691

>8man
>Gary Stu

U w8
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>>119350845
He objectively is. Get out now.
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>>119350885
>Hachiman
>not a massive Gary Stu faggot

what the fuck
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>>119350578
So being a fucking loser its not a real flaw at all?
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>>119350833
A self-instert
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>>119350884
That's not how bitter people express themselves in real life. It's an idealized, unrealistic, Gary Stu trait.

In real life, bitter people are frustrated, sweaty, social failures. They're not quiet, disinterested, aloof guys like Hachiman. There is no one in real life like him, because he's unattainable. In real life, bitter losers turn out like Chris-chan and Tomoko.
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>>119349092
This brings up a good point.

I've always thought that a dark and troubled past works far better when the character in question is responsible for it, I.E committed some war crime or crossed a line like Mordin Solus. Just having bad shit happen to a character is boring.
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>>119350902
>If I keep saying objectively, that'll make it true!

Just fuck off already.
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>>119350781
>Getting mistreated can be Gary Stu-ish, but having your best laid plans fall apart and getting NTR'd because of it
He was just an edgy beta. It wasn't even ntr.
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>>119350927
Being a loser without being a loser is not a real flaw, you fucking faggot.

It's like a poor street urchin who's handsome, well-spoken, and not malnourished.

It's like a guy who was in a fire, but only has a tiny, cool-looking scar on his face.

It's like a character who's haunted by his dark past of murdering someone, but it was in self-defense.
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>>119351000
>If I keep saying no, I can come to /a/ tomorrow and circlejerk about how Hachiman is such a cool original character!
Fuck off, shitposter.
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>>119350902
He's not
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>>119350999
>>119351000
Nice trips
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>>119351032
>XD
>XDDD
He is.
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>>119350962
>That's not how bitter people express themselves in real life.
People express themselves in many ways. If you haven't met Caulfield types like this, you either haven't been paying attention or you were/are one.
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Holy fuck, this thread went to the dogs fast.
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>>119351031

>Fuck off, shitposter.
That's right. Everyone on /a/ is shitposter except for you. This board would be much better if only you posted here.
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>>119351031
What part of you being a fuckhead made you think I think that 8man is a cool character?

>>119351054
Also nice calling me a shitposter when that is literally all you are doing.

Or how can I put this...

You are OBJECTIVELY a shitposter.
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>>119351054
He's not
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>>119351058
Get this through your head:

There is no one like Hachiman in real life. You're not like him. You want to be like him, because he's an unattainable Gary Stu ideal.

In real life, losers are slobbering messes. They have no dignity and make fools of themselves.

You don't want to face the truth that this is you, not Hachiman. You can never be him. He's just your Gary Stu fantasy.

You're trying to idealize real life and take out all the

pettiness
short-sightedness
arrogance
childishness
awkwardness
sweat
precum
desperation
tears
selfishness
self-centeredness
idiocy
and soiled underwear

There is no dignity in being a loser.
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>>119351015
I was about to read your post, but that "faggot" totally ruined for me, you can see who is the underage here.
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>>119351077
Everyone who thinks Hachiman is an original character and not a Gary Stu is a shitposter. /a/ would be better without them.
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>>119351089
see >>119351054
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>>119351130
I'm a cute nerdy girl that losers identify with and dream of as their ideal girlfriend? Okay.
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>>119350920
Not the same guy but how is Hachiman a garystu?
He's nothing like Kirito or Tatsuya who are constantly idolized by everyone.
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>>119351185
He's not
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>one angry nerd triggering

Thanks, /a/.
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>>119351160
You're the only one on /a/ who thinks he's a gary stu.
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>>119351130
>projecting this hard
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>>119351204
You said it yourself:

>constantly idolized by everyone

Hachiman is constantly idolized by everyone. He's a character that the target audience looks up to and wants to be like. Otaku fantasize about being a cool, aloof loner, who is looked down on by normalfag society, but doesn't care; they fantasize about being this super dignified straight man who just wants to live in his own world, but KEEPS GETTING PULLED IN by eccentric school girls.
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>>119348415
1/10 got me to reply
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>>119351256
You're wrong
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>>119351256
Everything in your post describing Hachiman could be true in real life except
>but KEEPS GETTING PULLED IN by eccentric school girls

That's just impossible.
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>>119351204
Read the thread, I don't agree with the guy, but he's more than explained himself, over and over again.
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>>119351204
Because Hachiman is more like a nerdy-fantasy.
Kirito and Tatsuya are the center of the plot
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>>119351231
I'm not the only one, but the fact that there are so many of you autists here is depressing. This isn't a matter of opinion, but a matter of intelligence. To not see that Hachiman is a Gary Stu shows a low level of awareness you'd expect from a middle school kid. It's like if a 12-year-old said something like

>Thor is the best movie of the year why doesn't it win best picture?

That's the equivalent of what's going on here. Hachiman is a bargain basement, dime-a-dozen piece of trash character that panders to the lowest common denominator of otaku by giving them a loser who is super cool. Anyone who doesn't see how pathetic and Gary Stuish this is has a middle school level mind.
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>>119345298
>onii-sama not in the middle
what the fuck are you doing anon
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>>119351256
I meant constantly idolized in their own worlds, not ours.
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>>119351308
>Everything in your post describing Hachiman could be true in real life except
It can't. There are no people in life like that. The fact that you think there is is scary.

In real life, losers are desperate and undignified people who are essentially drowning. Anyone as cool as Hachiman is not going to be a loser like he is.
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i would play for dante
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>>119345574
>Hachiman
>HACHIMAN
>Gary Stu
Shouldn't you be readying yourself for school, kid?
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>>119351362
As long as it's the real Dante, not donte el fuck you
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>>119351015
Last one actually seems realistic.
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>>119349296
Oh god, I actually watched that. Was pretty funny. Wasn't there a gif as well?
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>>119345298
Who's the guy in the middle? I hardly ever watch harems anymore.
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>>119351349
That's too narrow a definition. Authors will often have characters get mistreated in the story so the audience will idolize them more.
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>>119351368
I should be asking you that. I bet you try to squint your eyes in class to look more like him, don't you?
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>>119351328
But Oniisama is portrayed as Holy Ghost, the most potent aspect of God.
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Funny thing, as much of a gary stu this guy was, he wasn't even as broken as the MC. In fact, being gary stu is what allows him to keep up with other characters in the series.
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>>119351327
>giving them a loser who is super cool.

You're the only one calling 8man cool though.

The whole point of his character is that he's not cool.
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>>119351464
So does that mean that Shieldbro from Tate no Yuusha is a Gary Stu then?
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>>119351130
Tomoko is a Mary Sue. It's a female loser character written for boys because losers wouldn't touch a series with such a male version of themselves. She's an anime fan and gaymer grrl and looks down on all the normalfags. For all her "shortcomings", it's never truly portrayed in a negative light but always either funny and sympathetic.

The author couldn't even make her repulsive --petite, big green bedroom eyes, long unkempt hair. Predictably, nerds jumped all over that shit.

She's not realistic: she's just another waifu character for saps like you who couldn't handle harsh reality.
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>>119351463
Freedom will come to your house tonight and blast it to oblivion
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>All this mad about OP fictional characters
>Not just enjoying the damn shows
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DEATH TO ALL FALSE GODS HAIL OUR ONE TRUE SAVIOR
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>>119351568
See >>119348104
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>>119351585
>She's not realistic: she's just another waifu character for saps like you who couldn't handle harsh reality.

>Tomoko
>waifu character
What the fuck, are your standards that twisted?
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>>119351599
>/a/
>enjoying anything
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>>119351568
I haven't read any translations since furfaggot village opened up, but he was definitely Stuing between fight with the Pope and then.
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>>119351586
Who? Anyway, gundam seed, never saw it. Anything other than Wing, G and 0083 is ass.
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>>119349652
>you will never have a hot teacher trying to save you from your loneliness
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>>119351599
I enjoy Mahouka precisely because Tatsuya is OP as fuck. If he wasn't it'd be a series entirely about descriptions of public transportation.
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>>119351650
You enjoy it because you see yourself in him.
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>>119351565
>The whole point of his character is that he's not cool.
No, the whole point of his character is that he's a cool loser. He's a straight man who doesn't bother other people and is always being bothered. He is just into his own thing and doesn't make a fool out of himself.

>You're the only one calling 8man cool though.
Everybody on /a/ worships him. Everyone in Japan who watched the show wants to be him and/or is delusional enough to think they already are him. He's tailor made for loser otaku to think he's cool.

>BUT THEY DIDN'T CALL HIM COOL IN THE CONTEXT OF THE STORY
Hollywood. Flaw. Just because a story presents something as a negative thing, doesn't make it a negative thing. In real life, Hachiman would not be a loser.

It's just like those movie characters who are "ugly", even though in real life they're 8/10 minimum.
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>>119351622
They aren't my standards, but the standards of the fans. Many Watamote fans do consider Tomoko their perfect girl and it's nothing surprising. She's just a loser version of Konata.
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>>119351629
It's like I never left ___/v/
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I thought Gary Stu/Mary Sue are characters that's perfect in every single aspect?
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>>119345770
Considering he has every single power type existing in Bleach, he probably has some from Soul King too
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>>119351622
>What the fuck, are your standards that twisted?
You haven't seen other people treat her as their waifu?
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>>119351585
She has a horrifically unattractive body, bags under her eyes, and she's constantly getting herself into painfully awkward situations and making a fool of herself.

The fact that you're seriously trying to equate her to Hachiman shows that you have autism and the intelligence of a 12-year-old.
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>>119351604
Self insert does not mean Gary Stu.
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>>119351740
No, anon. I have no idea.
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>>119351641
>hasn't seen Zeta
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Is Kouji a gary stu?
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>>119351713
A character can still be a Gary Stu/Mary Sue even if they're not perfect in every way by having way too many perfect aspects to be realistic countered by very little to no flaws and/or flaws that don't really matter in the end because they don't draw them back in anyway. That's pretty much a sentence tl;dr of the argument in this autistfest of a thread.
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>>119351795
>>119351713
To expand on this, one person's concept of perfection is not another person's concept of perfection.

Sakamoto looks like a Gary Stu to the Japanese, but most Americans would not see him that way.
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>>119345378
I dunno, his power is pretty broken as fuck, I'll admit he gets things done way more effectively than should be. We've also only seen three groups of people, the human adventurers, the goblins he was born with, and the older goblins. Humans only warmed up after he saved them from endless rape, and the younger goblins see him as basically invincible because he is.
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>>119351743
>She has a horrifically unattractive body
Your opinion, most fans disagree. She overwhelmingly has the most fanart and porn.
>bags under her eyes
Which nerds find attractive, usually indicating the girl stays up all night watching anime and porn and playing video games like they do.
>she's constantly getting herself into painfully awkward situations and making a fool of herself
All of which people find relatable and sympathetic, and many think makes her endearing and waifu-able.

Keep putting your head in the sand all you like; she's a Mary Sue waifu character. You're not a cute girl, just a faggot.
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>>119351789
If Kouji is a Gary Stu then so is every hotblooded Mech pilot in existance
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>>119347951
So you have made your own definition of Gary Stu by somehow deciding that Garu Stu needs dignity? How is this anything else than your own personal definition?

Real life examples are fucking wrong, as "having dignity" is sort of survival mechanism inside the head of an individual, not accepting what a pathetic loser someone is. I've met countless of moronic people (most likely am one myself) that have a huge sense of dignity.
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>>119351891
>most fans disagree
No, they don't.

>She overwhelmingly has the most fanart and porn.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that by "the most", you meant, "the most in her series". And even that's retarded.

Anyway, anything and everything gets porn, faggot. What's Rule 34?

>Which nerds find attractive
Not physically.

>All of which people find relatable
Sure.

>sympathetic
Sure.

>and many think makes her endearing and waifu-able
Otaku waifu anything.

>she's a Mary Sue waifu character
You've yet to show how she's a Mary Stu. She has horrific flaws that are NOT idealized and no one wants to be her.

Hachiman, however, is not even really a loser. He has Hollywood flaws and everyone who watches either wishes they were him or is fucking stupid enough to think they are him. When they watch Tomoko, they cringe and remember the time that they acted that way.

Hachiman = who you wish you were
Tomoko = who you know you are
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>>119345137

Kenshi Masaki (The biggest one)
Izayoi from Problem Children.
Touma AND Mikoto, especially Mikoto.
Kazuma from KnS.
That MC from Hagure no Yuusha.
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>>119351969
>I've met countless of moronic people (most likely am one myself) that have a huge sense of dignity.
No, you don't. You don't have dignity. That's what's clouding your judgment here. You can't see the truth of yourself.

Dignity is something hard to attain that almost no loser has. Even normal people make fools of themselves a lot. It's very hard to go through life without exposing yourself to ridiculous often.

Dignity is not the standard for a Gary Stu; it's the fucking bare minimum a Gary Stu has to have.
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>>119352015
>Touma
Hah. Let's talk about Othinus and how she destroyed Touma more times than Accelerator killed those clones.
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Do any of you adhere to a strict definition of Gary Stu or is it just a term to describe any character you don't like?
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>>119352015
You forgot one.
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>>119351979
>No, they don't.
Yes they do.
>I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that by "the most", you meant, "the most in her series".
Congrats, you're not a totally retard! But yes, it does indicate something: Tomoko is hotness to many fans. She's overwhelmingly preferred to her friend, who's more the typical beauty. This shouldn't surprise you, unless you're a newfag to anime.
>What's Rule 34?
A shitty rule that isn't totally true.
>Otaku waifu anything.
They have a big reason here because it was made for them.
>She has horrific flaws
None of which are truly flaws. They make her funny and sympathetic. Tomoko is overwhelmingly an idealized loser girlfriend.
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>>119352063
A Gary Stu is a perfect, idealized character with no real flaws, who the author and the audience wants to be.

Saitama from One-Punch Man is not written with very many real flaws, but at the same time, his personality isn't really one that makes the anyone go, "I want to be him!". He's not a Gary Stu.

A character like Hachiman, for instance, is someone that every otaku loser wants to be. Characters like him and Keima are ones that real life losers gravitate towards, because they're not normalfags with friends, but they're still cool and dignified all by themselves. The flaws they have are fake flaws that only serve to make them look better. For instance, they're both unpopular at school. Rather than being a detriment, that makes the audience love them more, seeing them as someone who doesn't act like everyone else and follow social norms.
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>>119352123
Nobody wants to be Tomoko.

>Hachiman = who you wish you were
>Tomoko = who you know you are EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T WANT TO BE
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>>119351919
not everyone has their doctorate in UFO building
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>>119351130
But everyone hates 8man.

Consider the following: losers have hard time admitting they are losers. The show is from 8mans POV, meaning he is portrayed as smart and smooth mofo as he naturally believes to be a one. If the show was from POV of another person, 8man would be seen as depressing loser he is.

In real life you'd hate a guy like that. I had one in high-school, sort of loser that idolized himself. It was just sad. In no way was he a Gary Stu.
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>>119352173
But I'm a normalfag living a good life with dozens of friends around me. I don't want to be Hachiman.

So by your definition that disqualifies him from being a gary stu.
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>>119345137
>besides this two
go back to your shithole eastern block country
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>>119352024
>You don't have dignity
Okay then. I almost believed you could be argued with but when you pull some sort of analytic statements about my self-dignity I just have to stop and stare. You are a mess, son.
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>>119352397
No, read the thread. He's arguing for the theory of Relative Gary Stus.
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What with all these plebeians with their plebeian pride, are you so proud of disgusting flaws that you are offended that your kind is not represented properly? What are you a shitskin? a sandnigger? If you want to see something realistic, go look for a mirror, oh wait, you don't have one, what a pity. It's also a pity that trash don't burn themselves.
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>>119352506
>posting on /a/
>having dignity
Both can't be true at the same time.
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>>119352350
>But everyone hates 8man.
They sort of hate him in the anime, but even that's not really true. The audience not only loves him, they worship him.

>Consider the following: losers have hard time admitting they are losers
Agreed. See: this thread.

>The show is from 8mans POV, meaning he is portrayed as smart and smooth mofo as he naturally believes to be a one. If the show was from POV of another person, 8man would be seen as depressing loser he is.
Very interesting thought. If I gave the author more credit, there might be something to that.

But what it really comes down to is that people who watch the series look up to him. If otaku idolized athletic, suave rich guys who dominate girls, they'd read shoujo. But otaku have created a culture around themseves (waifu, 3DPD, etc) to justify their loserdom, which is why they idolize characters who fall in line with that. A Gary Stu for otaku isn't captain of the Jud Team; a Gary Stu is an outcast who never makes a fool out of himself and is completely reactive towards society, never seeking it out on his own.

>In real life you'd hate a guy like that.
I'd never meet a guy like that. The closest thing to Hachiman in real life is a poser putting on a front. In real life, everyone desperately, DESPERATELY craves approval of others, especially losers.

>I had one in high-school, sort of loser that idolized himself.
The difference is that you noticed and he wanted you to notice.

Hachiman does go out of his way to make himself noticed to others. He's a complete straight man.
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>>119352551
I'm here to spite you.
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>>119352520
Does anyone not believe this?

I mean, do you seriously think that everyone on the planet has the same concept of perfection?
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>>119352584
Oh, no I get where you're coming from, but I just wish people stop posting the same thing over and over when what they are asking has already been explained.
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>>119352551
Why?
You're just throwing assumptions around. Instead of staying in your strange definition of Gary Stu you now start analyzing reality with literally nothing to back you up, except your own prejudice.

You the definition of an autist.
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>>119352123
People engage their rescue fantasies about Tomoko. Like the other anon said, no one wants to be her.
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>>119345173
I've only watched the Grisaia anime and this image makes me very confused. Is it from the later VNs?
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>>119352651
The point is that a lot of losers walk around thinking they're dignified, when they aren't. If you're

>fat
>acne faced
>smelly
>unshaven
>unkempt
>a stutterer
>unable to make eye contact
>unable to always properly intone your sentences
>too old to be living with your parents
>too old to be working minimum wage jobs
>too old to still be in college
>eating alone at a restaurant without a suit and tie on
>watching a movie in the theater alone
>wearing a t-shirt that says something on it or has an anime character
>constantly misunderstanding what other people are saying
>constantly replying with "y-you too" when it isn't appropriate
>unable to perform basic tasks, like maintaining your automobile
>constantly holding the door open for people when they're too far behind you

people are going to notice. And none of these flaws are the type of flaws that characters like Hachiman have, because characters like Hachiman are Gary Stu ideals. Tomoko, on the other hand, has these flaws.
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>>119352557
Why are you crusading against these people? It's almost like you're on a personal vendetta or something.
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>>119347044

>being rude, selfish, ugly and a social outcast aren't negative character traits
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>>119352887
It's about self-awareness and basic understanding. We're here to talk about anime. If the people here can't even understand anime characters and are blinded by their own personal biases, how can we have a good discussion?
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>being rude, selfish
Motherfucker, the most Gariest of Gary Stus in history got women off by being rude and selfish. Those are the classics of Gary Stu traits.

>ugly
Hachiman is not ugly. I speculate that 32% of /a/nos who watched that shit series go around squinting to try to look more like him.

>social outcast
I wish you'd said you were trolling up front. You'd have saved me the time of typing this all up. 2/10. You got me to reply.
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>>119352863
Then, again, that's only list of your opinions. 8man has many flaws not mentioned in your list. The fact that he is antisocial and arrogant loser somehow wasn't included in your list of negative features. I wonder why...

I think you are trying a bit too hard to make a definition based on your opinions. It doesn't come together as neatly as in your head. Now, it's not like you aren't trying so I will not treat you as a retard, but considering not a single poster in the entire thread has had a same opinion as you has quite clear implications, don't you agree?
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>>119352969
I think there is a one poster in this thread blinded by personal biases, and it probably isn't who you think it is.
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>>119353127
He's not an arrogant he simply has "dignity"
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>>119353127
Not that guy, I think Hachiman is a despicable ass and don't quite understand why he's considered such a hero. And his quote about nice girls is bad and has poor taste, but it's celebrated like gospel. It's quite hilarious really.
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>>119351641
>0083
>not total ass
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>>119353127
>The fact that he is antisocial and arrogant loser somehow wasn't included in your list of negative features. I wonder why...
Because Japanese otaku and most of /a/ idolize those characteristics. They make him look better and more ideal to the target audience, not worse.

>I think you are trying a bit too hard to make a definition based on your opinions.
I think you're trying to hard to deny that Hachiman is a Gary Stu, because admitting so would be admitting your own flaws, as well as prevent you from circlejerking about how all the Mahoka fans just like Gary Stu characters. You'd have to sit down and realize that not only are you kind of a loser, idealizing king of loser characters, but that you have shit taste, because you like Gary Stus.

>It doesn't come together as neatly as in your head.
It amazingly does, actually. It's scary how beloved and idolized Hachiman was on /a/ alone. There were threads and threads about what a great character he was. It's scary how much /a/ gravitates to cheap Gary Stus.

>not a single poster in the entire thread has had a same opinion as you has quite clear implications, don't you agree?
There've been at least two other people in this thread who've agreed with me, and I've been arguing with about 6-8 people, tops. This is an extremely small sample size.

You also have to consider that /a/ has a dog in this fight. Most of you don't want to admit that Hachiman is a Gary Stu, because that would mean admitting something about yourself.
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>>119345348
>Touma
His life is nothing but suffering and he can hardly ever get shit done without massive support.
>Mondaiji
Ain't Gary Stu. He just starts out stronger than his allies, but both Asuka and You have much more versatile and potentially broken abilities.
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>>119353272
I think you are wrong, though. Your psychoanalysis on how I subconsciously treat 8man as non-Gary because am afraid of my own flaws fails in regards that literal definition of Gary Stu barely has flaws. Reading the previous posts I understand this is a sore topic for you, but even you must agree that portion of Gary Stu = desirable attributes, right? Therefore admitting 8man to be a Gary Stu would most likely rub my ego more than denying it. Hell, if I could own at least one of the attributes Magic Jesus has, I'd probably be satisfied in myself as an individual, rather than despising the desirable attributes like you seem to believe. I believe your assumption how majority of /a/ does not admit 8man to be a Gary Stu because subconscious defense-mechanisms rather than just disagreeing with you as many of your points barely make sense is sort of stretching it.
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This game already exists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciBCGvaOM-w
dengeki bunko fighting climax
mostly tsundere characters
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>>119353642
>ails in regards that literal definition of Gary Stu barely has flaws
We're going in circles. Perfection is in the eye of the beholder.

Many people would see James Bond as a sexist asshole. Sexism is a flaw, right? Well, that depends on who you ask.

Similarly, Hachiman being an outsider is seen as a positive trait by otaku and /a/.

>Therefore admitting 8man to be a Gary Stu would most likely rub my ego more than denying it.
Why would it? You don't want to admit that he's written poorly and that you like poor writing.

>Hell, if I could own at least one of the attributes Magic Jesus has, I'd probably be satisfied in myself as an individual, rather than despising the desirable attributes like you seem to believe.
THE FUCKING POINT I'VE BEEN MAKING OVER AND OVER IS THAT MANY OTAKU TRY TO SEE THEMSELVES AS HACHIMAN, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE JUST FOOLING THEMSELVES.

YOU'RE NOT HACHIMAN.

YOU CAN'T BE HIM.

YOU WANT TO BE HIM.

BUT YOU CAN NEVER BE HIM BECAUSE HE'S AN UNATTAINABLE GARY STU.

>as many of your points barely make sense is sort of stretching it.
Funny you say that, because no one here even listens to my points. You just ignore them and call me wrong. I've basically been blowing everything you've said out of the water the whole thread, and all you can come back with is "well, I think you're wrong".
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biggest mary sue
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>>119347951
Hachiman has no dignity, you numb-scull. He just acts like he does, but nearly every character in the story points out that he's just bullshitting himself to not feel like a sorry jackass.
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>>119348291
I am dead serious. A Gary Stu is a flawless character, Tatsuya has plenty of flaws and is quite depreciative. His "harem" is a mess too, the only girl who ever confessed her feelings to him he pushed away and keeps at an arms length because she's useful. He frequently notes that Miyuki is a sicko and he does not see her that way. Erika is about as likely as Mayumi. Shizuku flirts with him, but ultimately there's nothing she can do because Honoka comes first.
Barring "his girls" there is his family who all either hate, or fear him aside from Fumiya who worships the ground he walks on and Ayako who doesn't treat him like shit. Not even his own mother ever gave him the time of the day, to her he was always a failure and a dark mark on her reputation. He's been trained and worked as a bodyguard in a family he was born to rule, but was stripped of that right due to a technicality, all his life.
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>>119353786
Isn't that just Mugen with custom graphics?
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Guts is biggest gary Stu ever created
literally no real flaws :
>Lost his one eye and hand
>Being raped as a boy
>wears armour that eats his soul
>Is on longest boat voyage
That's some shitty Hollywood flaws.
While he is strongest of all characters there and gets shit done.
He's worse than Tatsuya or Kirito
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>>119353881
He has dignity in that he minds his own damn business, doesn't make a fool of himself in front of others, doesn't go chasing after other people, and can reasonably pass for a normal person outside of school.

Tomoko is a character with no dignity. She makes a fool of herself in every single human encounter.
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>>119353968
>>wears armour that eats his soul
You realize that that is actually a Hollywood flaw.

>I'M USING THE POWER OF THE DEVIL TO DEFEAT MY ENEMIES
Oh fuck you. Call me when you actually do something bad, like kill innocent people.
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>>119352061
why doesn't anyone just fucking shoot him then?
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>>119347143
Nope. He's just competent at what he does and is snarky as fuck. He is far from perfect, makes many horrible mistakes and fails at what he wants to succeed the most.
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>>119354019
You're underselling it. He's nearly unbeatable and constantly puts women in their place, while keeping a cool head. He's not a full Stu, but he's close.
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>>119354050
Is Kongming a Gary Stu?
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>>119354004
What about that time where he actually did murder an innocent in cold blood, when he was assassinating a noble of a kingdom he was working for, because he would do absolutely anything his friend asked him to, no matter how awful?
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Rance.
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>>119353942
>Mugen

Yeah kind of, Fighting Climax is popular in the arcades. I usually ended up standing in line to play when I went.

Anyways, here's some Miuki summoning Tatsuya, and Asuna versus Kirito.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjVlanatRBo
Onii-sama at 2:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohu7qXGgcdI
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>>119347873
This.
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>>119348520
There is no need for that anon, please refrain
>>119348640
Stop
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>>119354138
In the anime, he really killed the nobleman kid. In the manga, it was a mistake. But the nobleman father was a jerk, so no one blames Guts for that one.
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>>119353971
>He has dignity in that he minds his own damn business
I don't really see how that has anything to do with dignity. Most losers avoid people and try to mind their won business while being as stealthy as possible.
>doesn't make a fool of himself in front of others
He does it constantly. Making a fool of himself so many times is exactly what made him into a bitter hypocritical asshole. Him being a loser is a result of his own idiocy and he's constantly trying to pin that fault on others.
>doesn't go chasing after other people
You say that, but he's often hoping for companionship with Yukino, who he wants to consider a kindred soul and thus has several times tried (and failed) to start a friendship. Otherwise, he has fucked himself over so many times that he has given up on chasing people.
>an reasonably pass for a normal person outside of school
Just about every /a/non can. I don't see how being able to not act like a total retard in society makes him a fake
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>>119353792
Your blowing everything out of the water, but even with this objectively perfect arguing nobody agrees with you?

Antisociality is not an positive trait, no matter how you look at it. /a/ does not glorify social withdrawal and is more of an community of pain. The general traits 8man has are not desirable. Caps lock does not make you seem like an intellectual mastermind. I understand the point you are driving, but I disagree because I believe our understanding of 8man is a bit conflicting. You see him as sort of god-otaku, whereas I don't think he has enough positive features to be an idealized individual.
>inb4 no arguments, just "well, I think you're wrong"
The reason people tell you "I think you're wrong" is because the subject is indeed very subjective. I don't see the arguments that were supposed to blow me out of the water, as in the end you hardly have any objectivity in your posts. If you say that "positive traits are subjective", that means the definition of Gary Stu is also subjective. If you then consider 8man an objective Gary Stu, you are contradicting yourself and I seriously do not understand what you believe to achieve.
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>>119354014
They did and he ended up ina hospital.
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>>119354267
You are objectively wrong. Otaku and /a/ glorify anti social behavior. Normal fags are hated and characters like Keima and Hachiman are idolized.

You're wrong on this and you know you're wrong.
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Can a living (or dead) human be a Gary Stu, or only animu characters can be?
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>>119354050
>He's nearly unbeatable
Not really. Most of the characters he beats easily are weak anyway or are strong enough that he succeeds only by the skin of his teeth.
There are also times where he couldn't succeeded alone no matter what.
>constantly puts women in their place
You mean haughty teenagers that are used to getting shit done their way? Big achievement.
>while keeping a cool head
Did you miss the several times he has acted impulsively and how he fucks himself over due to "m-muh dead waifu" trauma?

He looks like a Gary Stu because he is actually competent while surrounded by inexperienced children. If you actually look at his feats, he is not all that incredible on the grand scale.
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>>119345574
Hachiman is a shitty self insert character and everyone who likes him or puts himself into his feet should commit suicide but he isn't a Gary Stu.
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So, what I've gathered from this clusterfuck of a thread is that definition of Gary Stu is subjective from person to person.
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Why is Hachiman such a Gary Stu?
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>>119353792
Hahaha, are you buttmad? Keep crying you stupid baby. No matter how much you whine people will always like Hachiman, people will always think he's a good character, and people will always not think he's a gary stu.

Maybe you should go back to sucking on your mommy's nipples, baby.
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>>119354446
He is a Gary Stu. He has no real flaws to otaku and they all want to be him. /a/ pissed their pants in delight of him.
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>>119354507
Your mom is a gary stu. She has no real flaws to fat virgin otaku dick and hundreds of them "piss their pants" for the first time (if you know what I mean) in her cooch.
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I can't believe this autist is still posting.
Your definition of a Gary Stu is someone that does not classify as a loser who has built-in flaws that don't hold him back because they're superficial. Your definition of a loser is determined by a cherry-picked list of your personal opinions that is largely based on the opposite of what a Japanese otaku would idealize. That alone should negate everything you are saying.
In addition you are saying that because said "Gary Stu" does not meet your definition of a loser that he is thus a character that can be considered perfect. Being a character aware of those around him, having internal monologues, and being "straight" (whatever you mean by that) does not make him a perfect being. One could argue devoting more time to overanalyzing everything someone says is an actual flaw.
Of course you also say that he is a wish-fulfillment character that /a/ loves because we compare him to Batman. When we compare him to Batman we do so to mock his character, not glorify him.
True Gary Stus are typically portrayed as smart, athletic, popular, witty, can maximize human potential with no back story given, and more. While hachiman shows a couple of these traits, he does not show enough to be considered a Gary Stu.
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>>119354498
You're so angry you got called out, little baby shit. You got exposed for liking Gary Stu shit writing. How does it feel? Are you crying that your circlejerk got destroyed? Your whole world view was raped.
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>>119354463
Thanks for summing it up cat.
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>>119354554
>Your whole world view was raped.
Kind of like how your anus was raped by the fact that an ebil gary stu mc in some Japanese light novel ended up popular and got a lot of real money for a real person.

>>119354551
They're trolling I hope
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>>119354507
The only ones who actually want to be him are people who missed the entire point of his character. It's the same for anyone who thinks Touma is a Gary Stu.
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>>119354570
That cat is a Gary Stu.
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>>119354551
It's not cherry picked. It's obvious and objective. Tomoko has negative flaws to otaku and /a/. Hachiman does not.

You're the autist.
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>>119354353
Funny, in the last post you were saying people tell you "I disagree" without real arguments, and now you pretty much fall under the same category.

We are all suffering inside. I think that is probably some requirement to visit /a/ or other neckbeard boards. Anime is escapism. Why do you think moe is popular? Only reason people "glorify social withdrawal" is because the community is full of a kin, making a antisociality a norm, people wish to belong somewhere. Basically you get people who shout "3DPD" because they are expected to, whereas in real life they are suffering instead of being the ideological master-race they anonymously on image board pretend to be. Can you really disagree with this or stand down from your tall chair and actually admit I might not pull this from my ass? I bet you are the same. I bet you believe being antisocial is really fucking cool, while in high-school you were pitied and bitter while your classmates banged in parties and all that was left for you were chinese cartoons.
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>>119348755
Literally noone in this thread besides yourself thinks 8man is cool or unique. I'm not sure why you keep spouting this shit.

The only thing I can think of is that you are talking about yourself and are trying to project what you think is the norm of /a/ (you think that is you, but clearly, it is not) onto everyone else.
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>>119354602
Because I have no dog in this fight. You, however, lose a lot by admitting he's a Gary Stu.
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>>119354618
No, it's not the same.

/a/ and otaku DOCUMENTABLY worship Hachiman. That isn't an opinion, it's a fact.
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>>119354639
I think 8man is cool and unique.
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>>119354639
It's documented. Check the archive. /a/ worshipped him.
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>>119354612
But you said earlier this thread that Tomoko is the ideal waifu for otaku that appreciate her flaws.
And now you're copying my insult like a five year old.
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>>119354679
Kind of like how you're DOCUMENTABLY an autist. I won't say it's a fact, but me and several of my friends in the mental health field have taken a look at this thread and our best guess without speaking to you in person is that you're autistic.
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>>119354720
I didn't say that. I just said otaku waifu anything. The bottom line is that no one wants to be Tomoko, but everyone wants to be Hachiman.
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>>119354703
Alot of /a/ wouldn't have even watched it, that's a broad generalization.

I didn't even really give 2 shits about him when I watched the show, I cared more about yukinon.
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>>119354769
>everyone
Projecting. Just admit that you're a filthy otaku manwhore with shit taste who admires a character he considers a gary stu.
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>>119354612
In addition, your list is indeed cherry-picked. I myself fall under several items you listed earlier as being a loser. However, I'm graduating with a dual degree in engineering at an appropriate age, have a full time job accepted, have a significant other and friends, and do not consider myself a loser. Your list is terribly subjective and completely biased.
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>>119354796
Obviously not 100%. That isn't even the point. To a non-trivial amount of lose otaku worldwide, the Hachiman archetype is everything they want to be.
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>>119354679
Yes, and? I believe Tomoko to be a fun character. I know there are a large amount of people that worship Tomoko, check the waifu threads. This too isn't an opinion but a fact.

Point being, /a/ is a community where fitting in means idolizing social withdrawal: important is to notice how this happens only inside the board. Neckbeards idolize withdrawal as form of escapism. Escapism is ultimately just escapism. If neckbeard was offered a change to be fit and bang qt girls, he would abandon his ideals of social withdrawal in a heartbeat. This means he does not desire or idolize social withdrawal. It's really simple, really. Sad too.
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>>119354823
Regardless of what you think of yourself, everyone wants dignity. No one wants to be like Tomoko. Hachiman is a fantasy impossibility. He's a loser with dignity.
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>>119354850
You keep using words like "non-trivial" or "majority". You realize that you are confusing these words with thr "vocal". Being vocal doesn't make your opinion represent any majority without statistics to back it up.
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>>119354850
But that's because they see him for what he says he is, not what he really is.
Hachiman is not "cool" and anyone who thinks he is is denser than the average harem protag. Hachiman is a hypocrite that lies to himself to feel better and acts like he doesn't give a shit about being alone when, in reality, he does so more than anyone else and is just fuckign afraid of following up on his feelings because he is already convinced that he will fail, so he wallows in his shallow pride to convince himself that he actually better than everyone else, when he really isn't.
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>>119354895
And no one wants to be Tomoko. She's not a Mary Sue.

You're arguing against otaku culture to win the argument, but it's a failed gambit on your part. Most of /a/ and Japanese otaku take it seriously. They really hate normalfags, or have convinced themselves they do.
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>>119354932
>He's a loser with dignity.
This has been disproved in this thread half a dozen times. Stop bringing it up.
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Reading through this thread, it sounds looks like this guy is making a definition of loser based on himself and then proceed to project it to the rest of /a/.
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>>119354796
Yukinon is a textbook Mary Sue.
>Perfect physical appearance (she is described as being "the prettiest girl in the school)
>Highly talented (she's an honor student or something, she basically singlehandedly runs the culture festival despite not being the actual person in charge, she can play guitar, and...)
>Has a beautiful singing voice (anyone who knows about mary sue knows this in particular stands out as a sue attribute)
>Comes from a wealthy background
>Hated by others because of her superiority (she is described as having trouble making female friends because girls are jealous; her dialogue also suggests she has no male friends because she can't tolerate their shallow interest in her)
>Has a "bad" personality that actually involves her calling out others on their bullshit, and is portrayed in universe as a likeable 'rebel' for this (see Yui's reaction to her brutal honesty)
>Has a stated motivation of saving the weaker masses, which she believes is her responsibility due to her superiority (in other words, even though she's a dick to them, she's still kind and deigns to protect them like some perfect goddess)
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What exactly are Hachiman's idealized qualities?
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>>119354932
Why do you assume true losers have no dignity? Because that's, just, like your opinion man. Again just because some losers have no dignity (see the majority of people that go to anime conventions) doesn't mean all losers don't feel bad when they make an ass of themselves in public.
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>>119354353
So you completely ignored the point about subjectivity and contradicting yourself? Very competent arguing.
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>>119355008
Those aren't real flaws. What otaku want is a fantasy where they don't poop their pants around others or make fools of themselves constantly. Think Tomoko. Otaku don't give a shit that DEEP DOWN he longs for contact. They want to fantasize about a loser that can mind his own business, be a straight man, not chase after others, not embarrass himself, and just be cool, despite being an outcast.
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>>119350877
I like to believe it's all the underage.
Most of us went through some sort of edgy phase.
At least, I hope it wasn't just me.
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>>119355095
You're kind of dumb, you know that? There's no contradiction. He's objectively a Gary Stu to some people. I mean, holy fuck, were you dropped on your head as a child?

>HURR DURR IF PERFECTION IS SUBJECTIVE THAN NOTHING IS SUBJECTIVE
No, you stupid fucktard. Some people think the perfect girl is black. Some people think the perfect girl is Asian. The perfect girl is objectively Asian for a huge portion of humans.
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>>119355043
Nope. Your argument was disproven dozens of times. Don't you ever bring it up again, you understand?

Hachiman has dignity. That is one of the key factors in him being a Gary Stu.
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>>119355103
>They want to fantasize about a loser that can mind his own business, be a straight man, not chase after others, not embarrass himself, and just be cool, despite being an outcast.
And none of this is true about Hachiman. What the Otaku think doesn't matter, because what Hachiman represents as a character is completely different.
A misunderstanding of what Hachiman is in no way makes him a Gary Stu.
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>>119345747
>>119345747
I actually laughed.
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>>119355065
>calm
>straight man
>disinterest
>doesn't embarrass himself
>intelligent and sardonic
>not part of the normalfag crowd
>pretty good looking
>sharp eyes
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>>119355059
Reading through this thread, it sounds like this guy is trolling because he's way too "angry" to be serious, and you all are somehow falling for it.

>>119355008
>Hachiman is not "cool" and anyone who thinks he is is denser than the average harem protag
How nice of you.

Most of what you said is true. He's a hypocrite who pretends he doesn't want friends and who insults people for enjoying their youth and then turns around and does the same thing once he gets friends. He also continually writes himself off as a failure because of his past experiences. You didn't state it outright, but he hates many of the 'normalfags' around him, even decent ones, out of either jealousy or pride, or more likely a combination of both.

But he is still cool, even if he is a flawed person. He is aware of, and calls out, a lot of bullshit that the more positive people around him can't (or don't) pay attention to, and in spite of his apparent insistence that he doesn't care he is also a hypocrite in that he frequently does nice things for others. In addition, even if he's often too stubborn about it, he lives the life he wants to rather than the life that society wants him to live.

He's not a perfect person and anyone claiming he's a gary stu has their head up their ass. But I can't stand people who say he's just some loser with nothing but undeserved pride.
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>>119355197
>Your argument was disproven dozens of times.
But it hasn't? Every time someone made a detailed post about why Hachiman doesn't have dignity, he was ignored.
You haven't actually proven that he has dignity. All you've done is show that you're just as ignorant of Hachiman's true colors as the Otaku you're talking bout.
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>>119355201
>What the Otaku think doesn't matter
Are you fucking retarded? Are you stupid? Are you a complete idiot?

James Bond has flaws. He loses to villains a lot and treats people like shit. Yet he's a Gary Stu because people think he's a Gary Stu. Everyone wants to be him, even though he's a flawed shithead.

You're so desperate to win this argument that you're shooting yourself in the foot.
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Niisama cannot be topped.

I am sure if he's any stronger, he could take on a Saiyan.
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>>119355017
And I think you haven't been here long enough to pick the subtle indications nor understand the culture you are commenting on. Are you seriously saying, that if "otaku" was given a choice to be a normal socially capable and happy person, instead of miserable escapist, anyone would choose to follow their ideals? Only reason people follow said ideals is because they were never given the choice. Is a high-school absolutist an absolutist because of his deep ideals, or because he was never invited to parties? Basically the same dilemma, and the answer is obvious. You must be able to read between the lines, because as I said, it is a social norm "to fit in" here. You don't want to admit because it would be against the board etiquette, but you too are not an idealistic individual with deep worldviews and fedoras, just an another person that failed at life. If you believe that people here actually believe in ideals they preach about just because they have a need to fit in, you failed your analysis about /a/ hivemind in the first post.
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Clearly Hachiman is a Gary Stu, his presence is so all-encompassing that he is able to take over threads about actual gary stus like Kirito, Onii-Sama, and Jesus.
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>>119345137
you forgot shirou!
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>>119355243
>Reading through this thread, it sounds like this guy is trolling because he's way too "angry" to be serious, and you all are somehow falling for it.
The funny thing is that I'm the only non-autistic person in this thread. Everyone else is desperately, DESPERATELY trying to defend Hachiman as a non-Gary Stu, because it destroys so much for them if he is. They have to admit

1) He's not a original character.

2) He's not a well-written character.

3) They like Gary Stu shits.

4) They're not actually like Hachiman in real life and can't be like him.

Hachiman not being a Gary Stu is everything to these people.

>He's not a perfect person and anyone claiming he's a gary stu has their head up their ass
This is such a shitty argument and you know it.

I can make the same arguments about Kirito.

And James Bond.

And Sakamoto.

And every other Gary Stu in this thread.

Every single Gary Stu being discussed has flaws.

The point is that Hachiman has idealized, unrealistic, impossible-to-attain traits that otaku wish they had. They're not bothered by his flaws anymore than guys who watch James Bond are bothered by James Bond's flaws.
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