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I understand that Shirou is a dense motherfucker, but Rin has

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I understand that Shirou is a dense motherfucker, but Rin has supossedly spend all her life preparing for this war yet keeps doing retarded mistakes like walking around the city without Archer, what the fuck is he doing anyway? Playing video games at Rin's house? This is the second time in a row she's forced into a fight without him. Had Archer been with them they could've easily taken Caster down.

Also

>Shirou uses his last command spell to prevent Saber from killing Caster.

Why are people even allowed to write such retarded main characters? Had I been Saber I would've killed that motherfucker just for being so retarded.
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Plot convenience.
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>>118981543
He is around even so, he gets there pretty quick.

Also, making stupid mistakes and failing judgment calls are the Tohsaka family speciality.
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>>118981543
She relies a little too much in the "magic should always happen far from eye of common people" which usually leads to the war happening mostly nighttime.
Except Caster can do pretty much the fuck she wants.
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Rin probably didn't want Archer around ruining the deito's atmosphere. That, and she didn't expect her to strike during the day. She's kind of shit at getting the most important thing.
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>>118981543
You're watching a harem. What did you expect?
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>>Shirou uses his last command spell to prevent Saber from killing Caster.
It was more accidental and out of desperation; he didn't want to see Taiga getting killed.
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If Shirou used his last command seal to stop Saber, why is it that Caster has command seals afterwards? Shouldn't there be nothing for her to take?

Also, holy shit this pacing is slow. By the time F/Z had gotten to end its first part, a lot more shit had happened.
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>>118983348
The way I remember Rule Breaker working, is that it returns magic and contracts to their original state. So she has 3 command seals.
Also, I believe one is still a master after using all 3 command seals, you are just advised to keep one so you can make your servant kill himself when you win the war to summon angry manjuu. So Shirou is still the master before Saber's contract is rewritten to Caster.
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>>118981543
I don't think anyone ever seriously accused the Fate series of being well written or having a competent cast of characters.
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>>118981543
>Shirou uses his last command spell to prevent Saber from killing Caster.
The point was to stop Saber from goading Caster into killing Taiga.
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Wouldn't you have done the same to protect best girl?
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More Rider when
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>>118986510
HF movies.
Even then you won't see her much.
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>>118981543
She's trying to force Archer to remember his identity after figuring it out herself. It's actually showing how well she already understands him that she's able just know what he'll do in his 'independent action'. The entire scenario is her best case, since it take Shirou out of the fight without anyone getting seriously hurt. If anything about the situations is badly written, it's that Rin is too keikaiku to be fun to watch. I think it still works, since she's at least not the protaganist.
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Rin is a dumb bitch.
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>>118986572
why do you say that?
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>Shirou accidentally using command spell to stop Saber so that Taiga doesn't accidentally get killed
>dumb

Shirou acts like a dumbass all the time but this wasn't one of them.
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>>118986769
She already knows who he is at this point?
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>>118984318
I don't think you've ever been in a F/SN cocksucking thread before.
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>>118986946
>Rider Medusa
>relevant
That's why.
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Rin not bringing Archer is a flag
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Yo, retards. Chill.

This fight was all made up because Ufotable needed an action scene for the finale.

Nobody attacks them during the date because the reasoning that this shit will not happen in populated areas is in fact correct. Even Caster herself won't act that openly yet. They go back to the house, find Caster holding Taiga hostage and she takes Shirou's Command Seals. End of story.

None of this shit actually happens in the VN. There's no fight, Shirou doesn't use any seals and Archer's nowhere near because there was no opening to call him in that situation.

You'all sperging over some made-up shit needed to jazz-up an end-of-cour episode.
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>>118981543

Yeah even Luffy from One Piece isn't this retarded. I understand that Taiga was in danger, but he went about it in the worst possible way and almost got everyone killed.

Also agree about Rin, but I'm willing to look past her mistakes since she's saved Shirou's ass a million times, plus she carries the series in general.
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>>118986946
Her VA said that she doesn't get a lot of scenes
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>>118989408
how is that possible though? I thought she was a fairly major character in HF
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How does Caster steal Shirou's command seals if he used all of them up already? Ain't that a plot hole?
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>>118981543
If Shirou used his last command spell, how could Caster steal any of them?
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>>118989545
Or ask how it refreshed the commands.
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>>118986769
I thought Archer was lying, and he already remembered.
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>>118989510
She stole his contract. The grail then gave her a full set of seals
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>>118989498
No you are missremembering.
She's a pretty minor character even in HF.
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>>118981543
>Rin
>smart

she's an idiot who was standing in middle of the summoning circle for god's sake.
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>>118989510
>>118989545
>>118989575
Rule Breaker lol
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>>118982550
>f/sn harem
>>>/hollowataraxia/
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>>118987286
Then he should use it for "save taiga" command
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>>118989545
If Saber disappears after Kerry uses his last command spell in Fate/Zero, why doesn't Saber disappear after Shirou uses his last one?
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>>118986510
>when
Now
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>>118982254
this
You cant be a tohsaka if you don't do this once or thrice a day.
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>>118989638
but thats not how command seals work
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>>118989638
>Saber disappears
nope
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>>118989638
She only vanished because she used up every last bit of her mana/prana firing off that excailblast that destoryed the grail.
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>>118989629
>implying f/sn isn't a harem
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>>118989762
If she destroyed the grail then how come it comes back fine and dandy?
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So when does exactly Archer remember that he's Shirou?
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>>118989772
>implying it is
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>>118989879
The morning of the day he was summoned when he heard Rin's name.
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>>118989792
because that was just the lesser grail. there's a new one of those in every war
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>>118989922
So why didn't he killed Shirou already?

He even helped him with the magic circuits. This shit's retarded, he had a ton of chances to kill him off by now.
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>>118990010
He's a modern Tsundere
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>>118990030
Are you fucking shitting me here?
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>>118990010
He has a command seal on him to not hurt Shirou
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>>118990010
He's still under the effect of the commander spell.
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>>118990135
>>118990136
Why the fuck did he helped him with the magic circuits then?
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>>118990010
He was planning to milk the alliance for bit
Thats why he just attacks Shirou after he says he doesn't want his help.
Annnnd then he gets Commanded not to harm Shirou while the alliance is active.
IE why he was asking Rin if the Alliance was over when saber got btfo
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>>118989792
because saber is the grail-man.
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>>118990154
empathy with your past-self?
I don't know maybe he just need a hug.
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>>118986769
archer knows who he is from the beginning, fucking secondary.
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>>118990154
>What he tells himself:
So he can suffer more
>His actual reason:
He's just trying to pretend as hard as possible that he's edgy and cool
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>>118990154
Because Rin told him to and he generally does what she says.
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>>118990238
i'll give him a hug
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>>118990010

WHY DOES ARCHER EVEN WANT TO KILL SHIROU

for the grail?
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>>118990341
Did Archer fug Rin in his timeline?
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Can we all agree that Caster-class Servants are the best Servants?
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>>118984185
Not him, but I saw just one command seal on Caster's hand. I don't know why they had that happen.
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>>118990425
Well, it's a pretty complicated issue that really revolves around reading the fucking VN.
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>>118990425
To prevent Shirou from becoming like him where his ideals fucked him?
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>>118990469
yes and he got rhinovirus as a result. thats why he looks different now.

tohsaka- not even once
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>>118990469
Probably not otherwise Rin would have recognized herself in the dreams.
Actualy a Rin-based route is the least possible
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>>118990425
To change his own fate.
Stop asking and read the VN.
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>>118988030

You sure got a lot of shit wrong to be calling other people retards.
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>>118990543
That's wrong though.
It's to take out his anger on someone who looks like himself in the past.
While hoping that the 0.0000000000000001% chance of Archer getting wiped from the throne beause Gaia flips out occurs
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>>118986510
Not until the HF movies. She's dead as fuck in UBW.
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>>118990575
>>118990534

I'll read the VN once you stop answering my questions
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>>118981543

Shirou used it accidentally

And its a plot device for bone of my sword and reality marbles
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>>118981543
>but Rin has supossedly spend all her life preparing for this war yet keeps doing retarded mistakes
Ding ding ding, you just found out about Rin's quirk.
Congratulations.
If you pay attention, Rin ALWAYS fucks up when she needs to be at her best.
She even states this herself in the fucking prologue to F/SN.

The only reason everyone calls Shirou the stupid one is because he has to learn what the HGW is, and he's a man.
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>>118990624
Well that'll never happen, someone will always be around to feed the flames.
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>>118989498
She wasn't, really. Not until the very ending of HF.
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>>118990678
Not him, but that's why I was a proud tertiary up until UBW. Why would I ever bother reading all that shit when I can have fun talking about with you guys in the threads and bullshit my way through discussions and make people think that I read the VN?
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>>118990425
Archer is actually Shinji from a future time-line come back for revenge-
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>>118990740
For what purpose?
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>>118990740
>Why would I ever bother reading all that shit when I can have fun talking about with you guys in the threads and bullshit my way through discussions and make people think that I read the VN?
Probably because reading the VN is more fun than acting like a douchebag. But that's my opinion, if you get your jollies off by being ignorant and asking dumb questions, then be my guest.
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>>118990678

You dont need to read the VN to see where this is going.

Emiya Shirou gains UBW
EMIYA tries to stop him one last time because "muh fate"
And then Shirou gets the best girl rin

With Berserk, Alter Saber, Girugamesh and Castah fights in-between

im hype tho
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>>118990817
see
>>118990740

>>118990820
I've read a bunch of other VNs, I've already graduated from Fate.
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How is it possible that there are people here who DON'T already know that Shirou is the red man?

It's like Rosebud for anime
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>>118990823
>Saber Alter
No, Saber Alter only happens when disgusting wormslut steals Saber in HF.
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>>118989048
> Knowing anything about anyone from Wan Piss.
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>>118990945

A shame
They could kill two birds with one rock if they put her in this
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>>118990823
That is so wrong it's not even funny.
But if you're not going to read the VN, have fun. It's going to be a wild ride.
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>>118990823
>Alter Saber
That's HF sorry.
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>>118990939

Many people dont pay attention to details
They skip forward to the action parts or just see everthing as preparation for a fight and really, without any previous knowledge of how the grail works, you would believe that only heroes of the past could be summoned, not the future too.

So yeah, its not surprising that many people dont know that the red man is shirou
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>>118990977
Do you want the DEEN shit again?
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>>118990823
>You dont need to read the VN to see where this is going.
pic related
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>>118990977
They tried to kill three birds with one stone in the DEEN version of F/SN and look where that got them.
It wasn't very good.

Straight adaptations are better and Ufo is being very very faithful so far. The only original scene seems to be Kotomine fighting some skellies, and they changed the location of Caster confronting Shirou and company.
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>>118990823
>Alter Saber
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>>118990982

I did read the VN
But only Fate route

Hell I wouldn't have the patience for another 80 hours of reading
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Did you tear up a bit when they played This Illusion? Because that's okay. You can do that.
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>>118981543
Archer was watching the perimeter though. And it would have been the superior set up for any other master/servant pair. Caster included too, if she hadn't so stealthily set up her own bounded field.
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>>118991064
I'm not related to these guys but it isn't particularly long and is enjoyable if you are hooked.

If I had previous knowledge of how retarded /a/ is about it I wouldn't like it much either.
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>>118991061
Who's excited for when they make Alter Saber full CGI and cover her in a black cloud like in F/Z and Prisma Ilya?

I'm still fucking pissed.
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>>118991090
The bounded field in the city isn't Caster's. It's a remnant from Gilles' C'thulu summon.
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>>118991117
I'm not, I never bothered reading F/SN the moment I found out about Saber Alter and what happens to her. Thank god for spoilers.
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>>118991029
I mean in the sense that the spoiler itself is what's famous.

Before I knew anything at all about Fate I knew two things: Saber is King Arthur and Shirou is the Red man, without understanding what either of those two things meant.

Soylent green is people.
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>>118991154

Source?
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>>118991154
>Gilles' C'thulu summon.
that shit hurt my autism
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>>118991064
Just remember that the Fate route is the route with the least amount of info pertaining to the overall story.
But, if you think you can enjoy UBW without knowing much then go ahead, not my place to say you wont.
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>>118991064
Reading Fate and then stopping before reading UBW is such a waste.
UBW, perhaps surprisingly so, is fresh to the extent that you immediately get over the fact that you have just read all of Fate.
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>>118991169
You must be an incredibly huge waifu faggot if you're going to let a short two scenes ruin your possible enjoyment out of a three route visual novel.
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>>118991154
https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/548875268350164992
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>>118991192

Im having a blast actually
Because it feels fresh

>>118991170

Only /a/ and some other autistic animu forums gave away spoilers of Fate.
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>>118991154
She placed a bounded field on the emiya mansion in the VN. It's the same thing.
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