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Do we all agree that the Berserker armor was a bad choice?

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Do we all agree that the Berserker armor was a bad choice?
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Because it kept Guts alive?
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>>118858854
Because whenever he uses it (almost every fight, now), he becomes a weird supernatural mix of Sonic and Mario instead of getting mad to defeat his enemies (pic related)
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>>118858978
>>118858784
No. Without it he wouldn't do shit against later Apostles. No fucking cannon ball or amount of guts will save him from that dragon apostle for example.

Bad choice was adding merry band of kids.
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>>118858978
Incorrect simplification.
For one thing, he didn't get mad to defeat his enemies. He got mad in general and was slowly losing himself to the demon within. For another, it also never made him as strong as the Berserker armor does. He's struggling now, but that's because his enemies are larger and stronger than ever.
He's still about to lose his mind, and that's a major drawback of the armor. Either they fix that, or he's going to die or worse.
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>>118859174
Or he could cure Casca, abandon the quest for revenge and live with her.

Until shit hit the fan and Falconia would turn into another sacrificial city like that capital of old.
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>>118859110
He was holding his own against transformed Zodd, the strongest apostle, before the armor though.
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>>118859373
He was barely holding his own if I remember correctly. Scully is the only one who's even with Zodd.
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Will Berserk ever end?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpsd6xS-FbQ
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>>118859502
They didn't fight for a long time, but he wasn't losing more than against any other apostle. Guts is always overpowered at the beginning of his fights against apostles and has to find a way to cut them harder
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>>118859174
Because Guts is wearing armor never intended to be worn by humans.

The berserker armor is dwarf armor only intended to be worn by dwarves and like the witch stated, it was a popular mass produced armor for the dwarves.

Berserk armor feels like shit for Guts to wear because of this.

Only way to fix this shit is for Guts to meet some Dwarf Blacksmiths.

Or get a non-beserk dwarf armor.

I highly doubt Dwarf generals or their lords would wear berserker armor because generals have to kinda remain sane during battle so only dwarves in the front line would likely wear berserker armor.

The dwarf generals likely wore even better armor compared to the berserker armors with none of the side effects.

With that said, since the dwarves possess this level of craftsmanship, its strange how we didn't see any dwarves wreck any apostle who dares to fuck around in their territory.
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>>118860108
Riding Bean please.
Nobody's got more plot armor than you.
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>>118859996
Dwarves are probably extinct. What I find curious is how they even existed in the first place since before magic world and real world started merging.

Talking about Berserk always makes me think of Dark Souls, fuck.
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I've never understood at all the beef that people have with the armor. I feel like it has to have been some autistic vocal minority that bitched about it and then it became a meme.
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>>118859996
How does the armor fit Guts if it's intended for dwarves?
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>>118863903
The same way Scully wore it before him. It's a magical suite.
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>>118861925
I can understand where they're coming from. Before guts had to just use his own quick thinking, reflexes and strength to defeat enemies. But with the armor it feels like he's using a crutch and it makes the fights seem less high stakes.

On the other hand, Guts probably wouldn't be able to defeat newer enemies without it, and the armor is slowly killing him, making him blind and could drive him to insanity. I think it's a good balance, it's not just a straight power up.
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The real bad choice was Mirua drawing Puck in a more stylized chibi comedic manner rather than the sexy elfboy he used to be.

I am literally the only person who's into Puck sexually.
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>>118864379
That's what I like about Berserk though. There's never a perfect answer to a problem (except kill things, I suppose) Griffith couldn't magically heal he had to murder all of his friends. And Guts can't just murder Griffith and solve his problems. So he gets a power that could let him fight apostles, but it damages him too; that feels appropriate.
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>>118864550
There was no need to draw Puck at all. His chibi comedic relief seems out of place too.
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>>118863903
Berserk never really followed common designs for typical fantasy creatures. Just look at Puck, he's and elf and yet most fantasy settings would just have him as a fairy or something.
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>>118864738
I like it
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>>118864738
I thought that too at first but after a while the lil guy started to grow on me. His back and forths with Guts were pretty amusing. Besides, without him Guts would just be by himself during the Black Swordsman arc. Without Puck there we wouldn't have gotten as much insight into Guts's character.

Though I don't want to fuck Puck.
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>>118864550
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>>118864379
>with the armor it feels like he's using a crutch

It makes him stronger, but it also destroys him. It's not like it's a pure power-up with no drawbacks.

>and it makes the fights seem less high stakes.

His entire party that he's trying to protect is at stake as well as his own life.

You would have to just be assuming 'oh he's got this super armor so that means he can't lose' while basically ignoring all the potential for harm it brings with it. His bones are literally cracking inside the armor, his consciousness is literally being torn in half, and he's literally death charging the people he cares about. So no, I really don't understand why people see this as such a fantastic power-up that makes things so super easy for him.
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>>118859110

Guts RPG party is the best though.

Griffith will probably rape them all in Eclipse 2.0 and we'll start all over again.
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>>118865103

Anti-Eclipse is all of them agreeing to sacrifice Guts. He then becomes more human than anyone else.
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>>118865103
The thought of anything happening to Guts' new pals makes me worried. Right now they represent a small ray of home that he'll find happiness and companionship at the end of his journey.
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>>118865252

That's why it's great, it could go either way.

Maybe they all work together and beat Griffith with the power of teamwork. Maybe Griffith murders them and Guts does some shounen shit and becomes true berserk.

Maybe none of this happens and they never beat Griffith.

Total mystery.
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>>118865646
I think it would be a bit unnecessary to kill his companions off. Guts already learned the error of abandoning his comrades and having to watch them die, it would be kind of redundant for that to happen again.

At least not unless Miura wants the moral of the story to be that Guts is perpetually fucked to be forever alone and that every attempt to better himself is useless.
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>>118865579
Who's the faggt on the left?
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>>118865646
Or Miura can get depressed and murder or rape half of them.
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>>118865834

He IS cursed.
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>>118866082
Yeah, so he was supposed to be dead a long time ago. He defies all of that.
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>>118858784
>Dwarven made armor
>Bad
Fucking surfacers.
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>>118866231
Elven goods are superior anyway.
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>>118866287
When has Elven made good ever helped Guts? The only thing knife ears are good for is their healing sprinkles.
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Do you think that if we went back in time to when the lost children arc was coming out and told Berserk fans that Guts would team up with a kawaii loli witch, would they believe us?
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>>118866728
If I were to go back in time I would rather make sure fucking [email protected] would never see the light of the day.
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>>118867001
Then he would just get into Strike Witches. You can't stop Miruas cravings for moe, you just can't. It is fate.
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Just a few years ago we had Berserk threads hitting bump limits, but nowdays we can barely scrape by 20 or 50 posts before thread is dead. Despite constant hiatuses, I don't remember we ever had this bad.
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>>118867924
There's nothing to discus anymore. The hiatuses been so fucking long we did all our speculations and argument of them years ago.
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>>118867924
We had a fantastic berserk thread not to long ago. Nobody's here because of the baity OP.

Not that I think that anyone who dislikes the Berserker armor is a "troll" or whatever, but the OP really posted his opinion in a shitpost-like manner.
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>>118858784
I think the armor was a point of moral compromise for guts. It also shows how his willpower is starting to fail as he trades his humanity for the chance of vengeance.

I think it foreshadows a more serious decision between maintaining his current newfound relationships and seeking revenge for the deaths of his comrades.69
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>>118864884
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>>118868223
Why did Mirua make Guts ears so pointy?
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>>118868298
He's part demon
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>>118867001

wow fuk u buddy
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>>118868298
He is actually an elf
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What are the chances of instead of finishing berserk miura just draws something like an epilogue to the series to give the fans some closure and let them fill in the blanks in between.
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>>118868402
He would be lynched.
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>>118858784
Yes, the worst part is that he is relegated to mindless retard that needs the loli witch to be useful
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>>118868490
What's worse just leaving the series as is? Or the epilogue though. Even at a chapter a month would take another 5-10 years to wrap up the story. And we all know realistically we'd get maybe 4 chapters a year if we're lucky.
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>>118868514
Every man is a mindless retard without a loli.
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Berserk is turning in to Apocalypse Now.
>Journey on a boat to find some evil leader of a group of blind followers
>Guts is Willard
>Casca is Lance
>Griffith is Kurtz
>They arrive at Falconia
>Griffith captures Guts
>Gives him a bunch of long monologues
>Casca is being her retarded self and dicking around with everyone there
>Guts kills Griffith
>Walks down the stairs of his whatever
>People just stare in awe, make a path for him as he walks away
>Takes a retard Casca back to the boat
>The end
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I just wonder what Casca is going to be like when she comes back to normal. Is she going to hate Guts, or still love him? Will she go through all the steps he also did when he was raped (not wanting to be touched, etc.)? Will they try to have incredibly awkward sex? With both of their PTSD and Guts's questionable sanity level it would be interesting. Will she even remember the eclipse?
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>>118869366
The only way Casca can have a normal life is if she doesn't remember the eclipse. I think that Guts will have to let her go.
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>>118869415
>The only way Casca can have a normal life is if she doesn't remember the eclipse.
Care to elaborate?
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>but the armor is killing him!

This argument is so silly. Guts is the MC he is not going to end up as half-retarded cripple no matter how much he overuses the armor.

The armor was a terrible addition to the series because it removed any complexity from the fights.
Lone swordsman vs horrifying abominations was an interesting concept but now it's gone for shitty dragonball fights.
Might as well reveal that Guts is the bastard child of Zodd and Slan so he has an excuse to dual wield dragonslayers for maximum faggotry.
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>>118869366

Demon sex was so good it drove her insane. If she goes back to normal then Guts is certainly out of luck with them having a sex life.

@ Topic: Guts is following the footsteps of Skull Knight. The armor is a plot device that slowly takes away his humanity.
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So anons.
Who's going to get killed off first?
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>>118869529
The armor was added to give The Beast an edge over guts' affection for his growing party, and to allow guts to defeat the ever stronger enemies.

It also allows his internal conflict to begin to mean something to the rest of the party, which is important when you recall Guts' Behelit. Berserk is now about how guts is torn between the revenge and anger which has allowed him to survive, or to stay with his new comrades.

Is staying with his new comrades betraying his old comrades, by not seeking revenge and forgetting them?

Berserk is about more than the grimdark and hyperviolence.
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>>118869529
At least the Berserker armor works as a symbolism of Guts being consumed by his rage and hatred. I agree that I preferred the idea of Guts surviving fights by the skin of his teeth, but with how powerful the apostles are now it'd start stretching many peoples suspension of disbelief that he can still beat them.

I don't see it as that much of a DBZ power up, and while we may not get to see the side effects of the berserker armour in their most dire form, the very fact that these possibilities exist really gives a sense of weight and importance to each time Guts decides let himself be consumed a little more by it.
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>>118869704
Isidro, Guts will accidentally cause his death and will flashback to that kid he killed when doing that assassination mission for Griffith.
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>>118869666
>If she goes back to normal then Guts is certainly out of luck with them having a sex life.
Guts was raped and they were still able to have sex, even if it was painfully awkward. He might be able to get through to her because he's the only other named character to be raped, so he might know what she will most likely go through. With that he will help her to heal and then they have sexy time. When she's all healed up she will be trained to fight with one of the magic bullshit weapons and then they all go after Griffith, leading in to the final arc.
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>>118869890
Please recall that it wasn't just the fact that she was raped.
She was being touched by a God Hand with the brand. If we recall early on in the manga around chapter 15 Guts attempts to attack Femto but is unable to get within range due to the pain of the brand.

I think if anything, it's more that than the rape that caused her to go loopy.
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>>118869962
That's just what caused her to go loopy initially. When she is healed that part is completely taken care of. I doubt that it will have the same lasting effects as the rape itself.
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>>118869704

Miura will die of old age before any of the main cast goes off.

But in all seriousness. Serpico is the most likely candidate to die first.
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>>118865103
they would probably wreck the apostoles ass if Eclipse 2.0 hapend with them, they are basically demon killing team.
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>>118866190
guts wouldnt let his new party die.
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>>118866728
probably, i mean berserk has evolved from so many times that it wouldnt surpise me
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>>118867924
there are great berserk threads but they have been getting shittier and shittier thanks to one sad and shitty canadian girl.
berserk threads on /v/ are great
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>>118868579
we can wait 10 years
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>>118870025
That's a fair point anon, but i honestly doubt considering the mental and physical pain she went through, that she'd even remember the rape upon being cured anyway, unless someone told her.
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>>118858784
Berserker armor is a good story choice, but visually it's bad because the fights are now really dumb looking. Farnese and her +1 were a bad choice.

So, had a thought. Since Guts and Casca were the sacrifices to make Femto, yet they are still alive, does that mean he might not be 100% God Hand right now? Especially when you consider babby's body.
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>>118869809
>Guts surviving fights by the skin of his teeth

He does that even with the armor.
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Am i the only here who thinks that every time Guts goes into berserk mode with Schierke on he fucking looks like the goddamn Batman with the cape and shit with the horn.
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>>118860159
The guy took a 9mm to the face and i just bounced off
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>>118864738
I don't wanna hear it.
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>>118870938
He is the hero /a/ deserves, bot not the one it need right now
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>>118865646
Or maybe Miura will keel over from old age.
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>>118870938
the armor looked better before it opened up like that
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Is berserk the edgiest shit ever made?
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>>118875234
>Is berserk the edgiest shit ever made?
The kids are awake people.

Anyway, what the hell gives you that idea?
Are you new?
Have you read the manga? Have you watched show adaption?
Are you autistic?
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>>118858784
Usually when shounen battle manga has this kind of power up they claim it has a price but it rarely has to be paid (Naruto's Kyuubi and Ichigo's hollow both worked themselves out without any major loss to either of them). Guts however has already paid and has to keep paying, so I don't mind it.
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>>118870938
I think the dog head looks awesome when he's possessed but silly when he's sane.
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>>118859300
>abandon the quest for revenge and live with her.
How about no?
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>>118875435
Comparing Berserk to Naruto.
Can you not newfag.
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>>118860333
Time probably moves circular
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I actually think Guts is going to ditch the armour eventually. I can't say why, it's just the way it seems to be heading to me.
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>>118875584
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>>118869506
i think that has to do that skully said to guts that casca does not want remember, maybe she could live happier being retarded
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>>118859300
>dont always go for revenge
>dont you
>it's not worth it even if it was something unforgivable
>forget about me
>Just remeber to stick to yourself and your morales
>DONT DONT DONT DONT
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Whats so good about Berserk?
Thinking about giving it a go.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnC8fYwem2o
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>>118876298
Pretty good story and very good art.
Loveable main Character
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>>118859502
Skully whooped Zodd, presumably without his Sword of Resonance. Guts seems to be capable of holding his own vs Zodd with the armor, although this is more or less speculation.
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>>118864738
>His
>Puck is a male

So you're saying i've been masturbating to a shot fairy?
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>>118876490
Yes you have Tane.
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>>118875582
>I'm an oldfag, I been here since 2008
Get a load of this faggot.

In any case, with Shierke there, armour drawbacks are mostly negated.
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>>118869704
the faggot who always has his eyes closed for some reason
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>>118858784
of course

>>118859110
youre right, i guess he would have to be more cunning then them. oh wait thats boring right? more backflips!!!!!
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>>118876537
>with Shierke there, armour drawbacks are mostly negated.
Implying
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>>118876490
lmao, Puck is a boy
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>>118869704
maybe our girl farnasie will sacrifice them all
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>>118876569
>he thinks Miura will let anything bad too happen to new crew
Nah
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>>118876504
>>118876574
oh well i see no penis so im still gonna continue fapping to Puck
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>>118876777
Just as nothing bad happened to the Band of the Hawk ,right?
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>>118876568
>cunning
It works only on shit tier apostles. Stop acting like a retard.
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>>118876833
Sorry buddy, but if you think the party is going to die, then what Miura has been doing with each individual arc has gone completely over your head.
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>>118876889
Shierke, Guts & Casca are safe at the moment.

I wouldn't be so certain about the others
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>>118876969
Nothing will happen to kids either. You are deluding yourself.
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>>118876994
My statement is based on what previous Arcs have shown. If Miura is consistent, i wouldn't doubt that he'll make a few sacrifices.

You are just simply guessing. You are deluding yourself
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>>118876969
I always have the thought that Shierke will merge with the Berserk armor once she died.
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>>118877262
If Miura is consistent, we will never know in our lifetime.
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>>118877464
That sounds like a really cool idea
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>>118858784
I don't think the armour itself is bad, it's just handled poorly in the story. When Guts first used it, his hair got white and we were told that every time he uses this armour he becomes less humane. And after that he keeps using it and thanks to some brat-witch-bullshit "no consequences at all" just some random blood coughing.

It was supposed to shake with the basics of Guts' character, not some random power up.
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>>118868804
10/10
then rickert makes some napalm and burns the shit out of falconia
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>>118869704
BURN THE WITCH
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>>118878064
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>>118877693
I think we're just on the cusp of a huge boost in the armour's lethality and that we're being lulled into a false sense of security in thinking that Schierke can just jump in and save Guts whenever.
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>>118877693
agree with your opinion

i also think the magic items they all got were handled in the same way
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>>118878246
nah dawg this shit got pretty bad once guts got followers
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>>118868298
To show how edgy he is
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>>118878299
nothing wrong with the followers or what they bring to the story. And i trust Miura not to introduce something like the beast of darkness with the intention of letting it controlled (by kids no less) for the entire story.
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>>118878375
sure if they bring something to the story, puck and caska are the only characters who have a purpose in that group
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>>118878102
I miss him
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>>118878435
Isidro looks up to Guts as a role model and mentor which is something he may not even have had during Golden Age. And for the first time Guts has taken someone under his wing and trained them.

Schierke has tonnes of purpose in the group. She's the one with expertise in the astral world and arguably a closer ally to Guts than Golden Age Griffith. Right now she's the only ally actively helping Guts subdue the beast of darkness.

And Farnese and Serpico are the only members with the potential to split off from the group or worse, actually turn around and challenge Guts (though this is more likely Serpico considering Farnese's new developments). They add tension to the group, especially considering they're only there to cure Casca and we don't know how they'll react to meeting Griffith AND finding out Guts is planning to kill him.
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Who is the Sasuke of Berserk?
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>>118878857
Silat
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the last time i read berserk we were still on the goddamn boat
is that still the case ? Are we ever getting off the goddamn boat
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>>118879046
On the boat forever
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>>118869704
I like Wind Poncho, and I want him to get with some kind of wind elf fairy and forget about miss pyro-used goods
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>>118878702
none of that does anything to improve the STORY, they don't actually have a purpose in the story as a whole.

Schierke, Farnese, and Serpico have all been introduced to the story as a driving force to the plot for a segment of filler, at this time they had purpose. But then the arc ends yet they STAY with the group for some arbitrary reason just to fill out a cast.

Isidro is 100% pointless tho, puck already fills his role. all he does is make "intense fights" look trivial
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>>118879399
>character development and dynamics do nothing to improve a story

Not that guy, but come on anon, story is more than just plot. Part of the reason why Berserk is as revered as it is in the first place is because of the unusually good character development. If all that were stripped away and it was just reduced to the plot, then it would just be any other generic fantasy manga.

If you really think Guts would be better off going back to edgy alone black swordsman out for revenge, then you apparently don't even care about the character development of even the main character.
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but who would be naruto of berserk?

do you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour jesus n. christ?
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>>118879733
>then it would just be any other generic fantasy manga.
no, the BEST generic fantasy manga. name me ONE "generic fantasy manga" that comes close to the 1st 4 arcs of berserk

Also, if a characters only purpose is to grow another character they are pretty fucking worthless. Look at puck, he has a purpose to the story (setting mood / comedy), he grows guts AND develops himself.

the rest don't DO anything, sure they are interesting characters but i just don't see a point to them after their introduction arcs end
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>>118858784
Am I the only one that believes Zod is the weakest of the generals?

Beside Irvine I don't see him beating any of them.
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>>118880122

>if a characters only purpose is to grow another character they are pretty fucking worthless

Only if you don't care about character development and think everything has to be in service of the plot. Which we seem to have established that that's you.

Berserk apparently just isn't the manga for you anymore, since you're complaining about things that aren't going to change.
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>>118880717
fucking pleb lol
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>>118858784
so you suggest he use foul language to combat full blown demons? or you forgot how useless he was during the festival? sure he killed lots of monsters but in the end, all the guts he had for war meant nothing.

that's as dumb as saying why would some one jump in a sherman when combating a tiger in lieu of running up on the tiger with a hand grenade. you're not very bright OP.
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What would be the worst possible ending for Berserk?

I think Guts forgiving Griffith and just residing himself to living with retard Casca would be the worst.
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Gonna dump some cool pages from King of wolves, one of Miura's early works

You can tell it heavily influenced berserk
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>>118882418
Griffith realising he made a mistake and asks guts for forgiveness and then they live happily ever after
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>>118882613
White Casca
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The original Zodd and Wyald design
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>>118882578
Thats pretty cool, is King of Wolves any good? might give it a crack
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>>118881626
If I see that fucking faggot one more time...
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>>118882732
Only italian Scans unfortunately at least that's all I can find.

Plus it is only one volume.
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>>118880717
>Berserk apparently just isn't the manga for you anymore

and Miura apparently
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I really like Ghengis Khan's design
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>>118882843
It's kinda silly to imagine that a Katana would have that much of an impact. Interesting to see that this is pretty much just Samuari berserk.
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>>118882887
You can tell Miura still wanted to use this design formerc guts
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Final image I saved, tried not to save many pages with italian dialogue
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