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How come nobody realizes Shirou is crazy in Fate route?

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How come nobody realizes Shirou is crazy in Fate route?
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They were soothed over by Kotomine-speeches.
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>>118431716
Nothing happens that forces him to really think about his ideals, and Rin never gets close enough to him emotionally to put 2 + 2 together to realize fully how fucked he is in the head.
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>>118431716
To be fair, he does a good job of masking it with his incredible density.
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>>118431716
because he's an honest guy with mind issues
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>>118431716
How is he crazy?
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>>118432790
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>>118432851
What?
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>>118431716
why is there a red filter?
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>>118432881
Fun things aren't Fun for Shirou
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>>118432940
How about you actually watch the episode.
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>>118432964
>watching cartoons
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>>118432790
You will see later, is kind of a big theme in UBW.
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>>118432790
He is a broken hollow fake person who uncounciously thinks that sacrificing himself for others is the only possible way to reach happiness.
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>>118433064
That doujin is good.
I only noticed on a re-read that someone erased the rest of Shirou's speech bubble
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>>118431716
This single shot is better at showing shirou's brokenness than anything nasu wrote.
Look at that fucker, damn.
Mind of steel anime written by urobutcher when?
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>>118433064
In case of a nuclear attack, place Shirou directly between yourself and the blast.
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>>118432881
It's just one part from the VN that shows what a messed up fella he is.

He basically cant have fun or live a normal life because of a combination of the trauma of the fire at the end of Zero and his subsequent decision to be a hero for Kiritsugu

To be perfectly clear, he's got a great deal of guilt because During the fire, he watched a lot of people struggle to save each other and die in the attempt, while he moved on to save himself. At the very end everyone dies except for him, and he's brought back from the brink by Kiritsugu just as he's about to accept his death

Long story short, it's not like he's crazy. It's just his way of staying sane is very unhealthy.
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>>118431716
He is too busy feeding Saber during the day and getting in conflicts with other Masters/Servants on their late patrols
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>>118433194
Guilt has nothing to do with it, that is only the surface and the explanation given in Fate route that it is completely proved wrong in UBW.

Shirou "died" at the fire, he was hollow at that point. Then he saw Kiritsugu saving him being "happy" and totally went for that impulse, believing that would make him happy the way Kiritsugu was, even as contradictory that was.
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>>118433205
>Neglecting to feed Saber
Men have died for that mistake, anon.
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>>118433346
Kotomine explains this, too. Along with absolutely everything else.
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>>118432790
He told to take off the stockings.
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>>118432790
Nasu like to write insane protagonists
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Shirou isn't really crazy, he's just looking for someone/something worthwhile to live and die for because he doesn't feel like he should be alive. I've met a lot of guys with similar positions.
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>>118433420
>Trusting Kotomine's explanations
No you don't
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Makes me wonder how often something like this happened.
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>>118433420
>>118433515
Archer explains it pretty nicely in UBW too. The whole point of Shirou's fight with Archer is that he know he is right.

Also, Shirou also agrees that Kotomine is right at the end of HF.
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>>118433457
Shirou is crazy because he is basically a strange case of a moral sociopath. Also, his self-worth compass is completely broken.
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>>118433629
In the end, everyone desires Kotomine.
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>>118433515
This is at least one time that Kotomine is just stating the obvious about himself and Shirou. There's nothing wrong with what he said.
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>>118432014

holy shit that's hilarious
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>>118433727
If there is someone who can understand Kotomine, that is Shirou.
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>>118433629
I wouldn't trust Archer's explanation either.
But the "true" answer is what Shirou finds during his fight with Archer.
Or I am completly missunderstanding what you're trying to say
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Everyone comes around to Kotomine's way in the end.
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>>118433829
Shirou never disagrees with what Archer says about him being a fake, the answer is just that even if that is true, the thing is beautiful enough to pursue it.
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>>118433893
Exactly. He knows that his ideal is impossible but, by following it he hope that his path will be as close to it as possible.
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>>118433893
I still don't exactly understand what makes an ideal "fake".
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>>118433837
>She lives under the same roof as Shirou

Welp
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>>118434108
His ideals are not of him, he took them from Kerry
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>>118434108
Because at the end, Shirou is just distortedly following it to be happy, trying to be a fake Kiritsugu.

That is just his nature as a hollow person trying to cling into something, so that is why Rin says she will be there to avoid him to turn bitter or to a wrong road.
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>>118434108
The reason that Archer is calling his ideal "fake" is because the only reason Shirou has that ideal in the first place is because he's just imitating Kiritsugu. While Kiritsugu had an earnest desire to save the world that came out of the tragedy on Alimango Island and all of the terrible shit he saw while traveling around with Natalia, Shirou's desire to save the world is purely the result of his old self burning away in the fire and the psyche of his new self copying Kiritsugu in order to survive and rebuild.
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I'm as dense as Shirou IRL, what the fuck do I do?
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>>118434655
If you notice it then you're not as dense as Shirou
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>>118434729
Hindsight bro, HINDSIGHT. I've literally had girls put my hand on their breasts only to wonder what the fuck they are on about. This >>118433517 is fucking child's play for me
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why the fuck is Fate shirou constantly against saber fighting because she is a girl but he's pretty much okay with it in UBW and HF?
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>>118432991
THat's some next level hipster on anime imageboard.
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>>118434858
because fate shirou is her sheath, and the sheath exists only to protect and hold the sword
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>>118434655
Drown in your ideals and die.
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>>118434432
>Caren
>Taiga
>Rin
>Saber
>Sakura
>Ilya
>Bazett
Shirou's got quite the harem going on.
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>>118434858
In UBW because he saw her fending pretty well against Berserker so he never went with the "I was the one who should be hurt instead of her."

In HF because a lot of shit happens and he has no time to go with that whole thing. Also, he sees her defeat Caster and Rider easily so that kinda affects him like in UBW.
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>>118434944
But is saber that holds shirou's sword if you know what i mean
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>>118435026
Rider is in the harem too going with ataraxia.
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>>118435062
I don't know what you mean.
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Can a hero be multiple people?
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>>118435026
Bitches love the high jump.
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>>118434795
Make a contract with Gaia. Become a Counter Guardian, and then travel back to this time and take put your frustations on your past self.
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>>118432851
This can also be attributed to any kind of "survivor's guilt." Some forms are particularly insidious, like when you have a friend whose life is absolutely fucked and you keep seeing it, but your friend's life gets worse and you can't stop it. Then you think now and then on happy, normal, privileged things that happen in your life and you wonder why you have the happy life you have and not them. It's really bad because you have happy bonds of friendship that are tainted by pity and self-loathing. Sometimes, it's hard to even acknowledge the friend's existence because it causes tons of mental stress.
>>118433444
Oh please, stressing about death and its irrationality is something neurotics do. Just push it to the back of your mind and have regular existential episodes of memento mori like normal people do.
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>>118435026
Don't forget Ayako.
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>>118435539
Everyone forgets Ayako.
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>>118435026
>Taiga
>a part of Shirou's harem
She's just a freeloader that nobody loves.
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>>118435697
Shirou loves her, just not sexually.

That's what Issei's brother is for.
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>>118435697
I love her.
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>>118431716
Shirou got manipulated like fuck through the entire VN.

Seriously a guy like him is more prone to being used by other people. There's no need to kill someone stupid enough to fall for your provocations. Put their stupidity to good use.

Hence the fate of "Archer"
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I just finished Fate route, and I have no desire to go into UBW considering how BORING that was.

It's 2 minutes of good scenes, followed by hours and hours of filler or boring shit. It feels like the Gundam SEED of VNs the same way everything's a recap.
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>>118435452
Shiki has serious case of don't give a fuck. Remember Ryougi trying to gouge her eyes when she saw Death for the first time? Shiki immediately started to brake shit up
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>>118436247
more than 800 years of inbreeding to get better killers
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>>118436206
UBW goes like this:

Red Archer is cool guy but SHIROU YOU FUCKER STOP FUCKING UP AND STICK TO THE PLAN - NO DON'T BE FUCKING MOODY CONCENTRATE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING
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>>118436247
ryougi ends up being much more composed over all though
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>>118436332
Is Archer less bland and gay than in Fate?
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>>118434492
Nah Shirou contradicts that, and it's the major point in the story. His beliefs about the ideal was just as strong as Kerry's was. His belief in the ideal was not, it was not his born from him and as seen by the striking difference between the two he doesn't actually care if he achieving it. It was all about the path it was the path itself that captured Shirou so much whereas Kerry was obsessed with achieving the ideal.

Archer lamented that his path towards the ideal lead him to do what he didn't want to do in the first place, kill people, whereas Shirou accepts all this and continues because regardless of the end result it was the path he really wanted to follow
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>>118436373
I recommend you leave this place quick and read UBW.
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>>118435697
Please don't talk shit about mai waifu.
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>>118436206
Fate is the worst route.
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>Hating on Shiki R.
How could anyone do this.
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>>118436206
I feel you m8, i felt the same way when i finished that shit a couple of months ago. Push through, UBW is good and HF is the payoff to all the shit you have been through, even if it does make you not like Sakura even tho she looked way pretty cool up to HF.

Do it for Kirei.
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>>118436404
Archer is an absolute shitbag in UBW
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