If you had no previous knowledge of this series, what would you think of Gilgamesh?
I'd think of how he's going to kill me for not knowing who he is.
Shinji lost Rider so Kirei gave Gilgamesh to him. Shinji found Gil underneath the Matou estate.
Kariya was consumed by the worms and she's still suffering down there. It isn't brought up until the last story, Heaven's Feel. FZ includes elements from both stories.
I'm reading HF, I'm shortly after the sex scene, and so far I've seen nothing worthy of hating Sakura like a lot of people do. I mean, yeah, she has shit tier self-esteem and is fucked in every sense of the word, but the only fault I find in her is that she doesn't take the correct measures to deal with her own inner demons. Like Saber says, she makes mistakes and sometimes thinks about horrible shit (like hurting Shirou so badly he won't be able to go out and fight), but instead of correcting herself, she punishes herself out of shame and self-hatred.
I do find weird that suddenly nobody gives a fuck about killing her, not even Rin, when they find out about the crest worm. Suddenly Archer is up for it, Rin is ready to blow her head? Where did all their sympathy go? They're acting nothing like they did in the previous routes, is weird.
This board likes to blow things out. People ran out of things to talk about and only focus on the negative
Rin can't use sympathy because she's a mage, and that's there thing. Watch F/Z after you complete the story.
>Rin can't use sympathy because she's a mage
She was a lot of sympathetic towards Shirou in UBW. IN Heaven's Feel she's unnaturally cold.
>Watch F/Z after you complete the story.
I did, but it didn't change my perspective on the characters much.
Sakura murders, tortures and rapes thousands of innocent lives because she is too afraid to kill herself including her own sister Rin and love of her life Shirou.
That's why people don't like her.
It seemed overly arrogant of Rin to believe that she could kill Sakura and what do you know, its exactly as I thought - Rider would just instantly fucking kill her. Which I know because of course I chose the option to murder Sakura and got killed instead.
I don't understand why they're making a movie of this route. 80% of the route is expository dialogue in Shirou's kitchen and sex scenes. It feels like a lot of the route exists just to tie up some loose ends they never explained in UBW or Fate.
>she is too afraid to kill herself
Can you really hate someone because they're afraid to die? That's a really stupid reason to loathe her. Even if it means that a lot of people could die because of her, killing herself is no small thing. Is understandable that she tries to hang onto her life by all means.
Well at the very least you're up to what is pretty much the best part of the whole game, UBW is undeniably the most "solid" route but I'd say that HF's had higher highs, as you're about to see. Granted I found Sakura and Rider to be the least interesting characters in the whole VN so the focus on them sours my overall impression of the route, though for all intents and purposes more often than not HF equally feels like an Illya route (which it originally was, the plot was supposed to branch off into two with the choice of either Sakura or Illya but had to be scrapped due to time constraints so Illya's route was merged with Sakura's. This is kinda funny because upon a second read-through you can really see the skeleton of Illya's cut route.) I also had a big issue with its treatment of a certain character, Caster in particular, as she really didn't have to go out the way she did and could have easily been implemented into the storyline as a temporary servant for Shirou post-losing Saber, with her motive being revenge against the shadow and True Assassin for taking her beloved's life from her. The theme of the revenge also ties into the final arc of HF so what could have been her character arc in HF could have been a great precursor to the stuff coming up later. Also I just found Caster to easily be the most interesting, and my favorite servant as well as character in the game along with Shirou, Kotomine, and Illya so her whole role just being to conveniently show Rule Breaker is pretty jarring.
>Assassin tricking Lancer
>Berserker going fucking crazy
>Archer shrugging off the Mud that was fucking everyone
>Kotomine running through the forest while fighting Assassin
>Shirou vs Berserker
There are plenty of scenes that should have animation.
>Yes I would
What twisted values do you have?
Why are people you don't know more important than yourself?
Even if a million people I don't know would have to die so I can keep living happily, I'd kill them all.
>Let me finish, alright? Think about it for a moment. I don’t know about
you, but I wouldn’t have the will to live while the whole of Tokyo sees me
as the carrier of a virulent plague. Choosing suicide would be the easier
path. An instant of determination, or a lifetime; I think you can tell which
is the hard choice. And that’s what it boils down to, isn’t it? Death is the
easy choice. And when push comes to shove, I don’t truly think I have what
it takes to make the hard decision.
But Fate/zero explains everything from the start, is set chronologically before UBW, has far better story and characters thus far, and is a finished series so i can watch it all instead of waiting for the 2x cour of UBW to finish.
I don't really care if it spoils things because I like the characters, action, and self-contained plots too much to wait the, what, 6 months i'd need to wait for UBW to finish?
>Saber getting devastated by TA and shadow
>Rider suddenly not being a useless pair of tits and flinging TA around the temple
>Archer vs Rider (uninteresting in the game but could get ufotable'd up)
>Archer bitch slapping TA
>Shirou's arm evaporating
>most importantly, all that Illya
>is set chronologically before UBW
And spoils many things for Heaven's feel.
>has far better story and characters thus far
First cour of Fate zero isn't better than the first cour of UBW.
But if you want to watch F/Z first, go ahead. F/Z was made for Fate Stay Night fans, people already familiar with the story and the VN. It's not meant to be seen before. But it's your loss.
Do you watch the star wars prequels before watching the original star wars?
Stay Night [Fate, UBW, HF] is Kinoko Nasu. The prequel [Zero] is by Urobuchi.
The main timeline is Zero, Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia. That is the 'canon' you are looking for.
There are alternate timelines with different circumstances where different events occur.
Read this post. >>118341040
You're a horrible human being.
Not for valuating your life, but for acting like killing people is something that you should take lightly like that.
Fuck you up the ass with a cactus
Has final boss written all over him, and luckily enough he is for this route.
I almost feel sad for all the future secondaries that will jump aboard the ship with the HF movie.
Gen Urobutchi was the one that founded Type-Moon, he wrote the awesome dark stories of Type-Moon like Saya no Uta, Tsukihime, Kara no Kyoukai and Fate/Zero. After Fate/Zero, they got popular so they started milking with more Fate. Urobuchi didn't like this as he wanted to write new fresh material, so he left. They got a new writer, Kanako Nasu, from some second rate harem Hentai-game company and she wrote Fate/Stay Night and Carnival Phantasm. Urobuchi returned briefly to Type-Moon and wrote Mahou Tsukai no Yoru in 2012, but it didn't get popular because only moeshit sells these days unlike in the 90s, when Urobuchi wrote his Type-Moon classics
He looks like a design Tetsuya Nomura would come up with for a game and like hardcore Fujoshi bait. He's one of the main reasons I have a hard time taking Fate stories seriously towards the end as he's supposed to be the strongest most awesome cool servant and he basically comes across as this hedonistic laughing boy that stands entirely motionless while a Gundam Seed style sword spam materializes behind him and skewers more interesting characters with way more interesting fight styles. So fucking stupid and lame.
>Just watched the deen movie
At least the emiya remix was okay I guess
Praise be unto histories greatest writer who totally didn't come out of an eroge background and who is totally committed to everything his name is on and not just there to get credit when things go right so that an artificial cult of personality and ability can be built around him to be exploited by producers for the next decade.
Just in original draft.
Current novel is written by Sakurai Hikaru.
This will be co-written by Hikaru and Higashide with Nasu as main writer.
How many times has Nasu said, by now, he's done writing the Fate series?
I remember he said he was done with it after HA, then RN happened. After RN, he said that was just an addition that had to happen, and that with it, he felt he was done with the franchise.
Then Extra and CCC happened, and he, once again, said he was done with the Fate franchise for good.
Now, not only is he writing the plot for Grand Order, he also wants to write a new Extra - and this is despite being long overdue with the rest of the Mahoyo VNs AND the Tsukihime Remake.
I'm glad the guy shows love for his own work, and wants to write more of it, but he really, really needs to organise himself better and finish the project he's already supposedly working on.
New stories would be nice as well. I don't think TM has come up with a new franchise since Fate, and that was 10 years ago.
Reminder that Shinji is the only child master gilgamesh calls by name
Shinji >everyone else
Why can Saber beat Twelve Labours?
Because she's the one that jobs the most.
Did Nasu create EXTRA? I know he worked on CCC, but what about the original in particular?
This is a joke right? A remake adaptation of a 2004 VN is by far and away considered to be the absolute shown of the season if not year due to rampaging fanboys and otaku coming out of the woodwork to jerk off over it and it's waifu characters. This franchise has the most rag in frothing at the mouth psycho fanboys squabbling over it than any show I've seen since Madoka.
Secondary isn't really apt here though because they actually took the time to at least watch an adaptation.
Granted Fate is a series that's hard to be a secondary for because of how complicated the setting is. Being a secondary is about participating in the fandom without actually consuming the media the fandom is built around, but it's hard to follow Fate discussions if you haven't played/read/watched some kind of Fate media.
It takes a lot of dedicated wiki reading to makeup for that deficiency and most secondaries don't have that kind of dedication.
It just seems multi appeal rather than just waifu characters like most mega hyped up otaku things these days. It just kind of happened to be ahead of its time in a way when it came to giving women something to slobber over too.
>Type Moon is a multiverse. Everything is canon.
>Apocrypha happens if Shirou is adopted by Kotomine
Wrong. It's not the same Shirou.
Apocrypha Shirou is Amakusa Shirou, a heroic spirit that stuck around with Risei like our Gil does. He's the "Avenger" of Apocrypha universe, the one Einzberns tried to cheat with in War 3.
Why do they say Shirou is ripped when he looks skinny as fuck in every official art and sprites? Or is it just Sakura deluding herself?
>Implying Gil wouldn't make Saber his personal little fucktoy
Because sprites are shit, takuechi is awful.
This is a good idea of shirous build
That I don't really know. I'm sure some people do but most of it seems to just be HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THAT 2 MINUTE FIGHT SCENE! TALK ABOUT UNLIMITED BUDGET WORKS HURR x1000 and RIN IS MUH WAIFU vs NO FUCK YOU SABER IS BEST vs NO FUCK YOU SAKURA IS BST GRRL WAIT FOR HEABUNS FEELS!!!
Also hilarious is if you say you don't like something in the show fanboys will come and freak out at you spoiling a whole bunch of shit you either don't really give a fuck about or didn't ask to know assuming you're a raving fanatic like they are over this shit or enjoy it the same way they do. IMO its all just a bunch of over hyped typical otaku stuff that has its moments but is defined far more by its insane fan base than its own merits and shortcomings.
Takeuchi's drawings are less canon than Nasu's words. Another example of drawings not matching text is Sakura's breasts being drawn barely average but they're described as huge.
Fix your nose, Saber.
I read the VN a longass time ago but I watch this one for the music, beautiful scenery and I love the look of the show.
Powerlevels, waifus, fight scenes etc don't particularly appeal to me. The only ones I particularly liked were Fate Zero's and Lancer vs. Archer. I am interested in seeing
Berserker vs Gil and Lancer vs. Archer (round 2)
>Or is it just Sakura deluding herself?
His daily training is mentioned a lot in the VN so I doubt it's just that sluts delusions
Honestly that's one of the main annoying things about it as like most anime it sucks at conveying things the audience might need to know and I find myself often checking Wikipedia which doesn't always fill in what I need to know that much better. Nasuverse honestly just doesn't strike me as nearly as well constructed let alone coherent as its most ardent fans seem to think it is.
Im more interested in the shirt to be honest, he must have some next level detergent
This is why Lancelot will never get scolded for being a bad girl.
I don't know how new you are to Type-Moon threads, but I've been on the Type-Moon ride since Tsukihime was translated and seen a lot of threads throughout the years. This fanbase can have huge arguments about unimportant lore shit that is never brought up in any of the games and only mentioned in complementary materials. Many primaries are heavily invested in the lore to an autistic level.
I love how the anatomy is funny. A man's hips do not start so high up like that.
Not that guy but I rolled up when TM Fes was a thing. Instead of reading new threads I'd go into Foolz.us and search the old ass threads to see what everybody thought of Melty Blood, Tsukihime, F/Z, HF, etc. to avoid the jaded responses.
>HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THAT 2 MINUTE FIGHT SCENE! TALK ABOUT UNLIMITED BUDGET WORKS HURR x1000 and RIN IS MUH WAIFU vs NO FUCK YOU SABER IS BEST vs NO FUCK YOU SAKURA IS BST GRRL WAIT FOR HEABUNS FEELS!!!
Fate fanbase in a nutshell even if I am guilty of being part of this shit.
Why won't Takeuchi just take art classes?
Ah Shirou aint to shabby. He is pretty toned
Someone post the 'TM threads' image.
I don't think anyone is here for serious discussions. The best part of /a/ is arguing about worthless shit nobody cares about.
Why bother improving your art when people will eat up whatever you shit out? Seriously, a lot of hentai artist are famous for this shit. The guy has same face syndrome now though.
Primaries are more of a semi-benign tumor that do not metastasized. They just sit in their own corner, twitching occasionally, looking horrible, but not growing.
However secondaries are malignant tumors ready to metastasize at any moment, infect other areas, and turn everything to shit.
>M-master, your mana wasn't enough to satisfy me. I require a larger dose from this dark fiendish creature.
Isn't Saber super short and supposed to have the figure of a tomboy? Why the titanic tits?
>24 episode show
>gets a few scenes of airtime despite not doing anything
He'll make his big entrance on the season break, beat the shit out of everyone, then retreat "lol, just fooling around", leaving the kids to fight against the other small fry until they finally face him again, defeat him, only to reveal that there's a real endboss who was pulling his strings.
Old archmage primary or modern primary? The archmages are old and tired and sit in the corner, stalking threads for factual mistakes regarding lore and correct them in a condescending tone. Modern primaries are the ones that became primaries just a couple of years ago and have to make sure everyone knows it. They often get their facts wrong, and can be seen partaking ignorantly in powerlevel- and waifuwars, the same wars that broke the archmages ages ago.
What even is that? What is even the appeal of whatever that is?
A lot of people throw character design out the window to draw their fetishes. Hell, I do it sometimes but I like to keep the character's design similar to the original.
I'd acknowledge him as the one and only true king.
Sounds about right.
No it isn't. A cuck knows and loves the idea of his wife or gf fucking another dude. In NTR the female is usually blackmailed behind their lovers back or sometimes in their face to have sex with someone else.
That's my boy. Them dirty little bitches need to be breed and fucked like the sow's they are.
>tortures and rapes thousands of innocent lives
I don't know the numbers are lower than a thousand and she didn't rape or torture anyone it was angrymanjew who did all of that murdering and sakura was always forced to watch everynight. Hell she only has some control over the shadow when she kills Shinji when he is trying to rape her.
>Lot of people on /v/ have a cuckold fetish
>Found out if they call an e-celeb a cuck in the OP someone would then dump some porn
>Continue to call everything a cuck in hopes of more porn
My face when someone tries to fuck with my waifu Caster.
I feel bad for you.
Were you dropped on your head as a baby? Or were you born this way?
I don't need to.
Anyone that actually knows what both NTR and Cuckoldery are understands they are the same thing.
>The one where OP hated Lancer so much he shat on a picture of him and posted it.
Gay bulge + this design is a bit too lewd.
but yeah that blue jumpsuit is one of the silliest designs in the series. UFOtable somehow managed to make it look kind of cool but man, it really isn't.
It might just be me, but he looks swole after HF.
It's probably supposed to represent the naked + blue paint look of the old days, but yeah skintight jumpsuits usually look silly. I would've rather that he just actually have Lancer go full nude with the paint than wear the jumpsuit.
Extra lancer looked alright even if he was wearing a jumpsuit. I think it's mostly the solid blue all over that bothers me about it.
Threadly reminder that Takeuchi is the glue that holds TM together.
Read the VN.
I don't know how he beat Kotomine with these twigs.
I ain't reading through that shit again.
But Shirou is beefy as fuck in official material.
It's pretty self explanatory is it not? Shirou had been doing magic wrong until he met Rin, he was using an incredibly stupid and dangerous method that would make any competent magus sick at the sight of.
First I'd have to download and install it nerd.
Basically it's just what I said, the soul is the blueprint for the body.
This is the reason Zouken appears as an old man, and Shirou is still Shirou because Illya saved his soul and turned him into a flower which Rin put in a magic puppet.
It's not rocket science.
Funny, considering she's less popular than Sakura.
I played it.
At least there's Realta Nua soundtrack in it.
I'm not sure if I understand the question right.
What would I think of Gilgamesh after just a look at him? With no further informations, since that would give me previous knowledge about the series?
Then, in civilian clothings, he looks like an uninteresting gaijin character. In full armor, I'd think he has a pretty sweet armor and must be some kind of persian god.
When you first saw Gilgamesh, were you blinded by his majesty?
Four weeks ago, then I decided to re-read HF.
my introduction to F/stay night was an AMV of the UBW movie which spoiled the entire route and I didn't even know it.
I went to watch DEEN/stay night and then the UBW movie. I realized the errors in my ways when I went online to figure out why Saber couldn't stay.
She loves them so much she wants them inside her.
She had just been brainwashed into believing she was responsible for the actions of the shadow, and thought there was no redemption for her anymore. Considering how Rin treated her, it's no wonder she believed that.
>he didn't play all of the Melty Blood games inbetween
I hope you at least played Plus Disk between Tsukihime and KT.
She was in the middle of a mental breakdown after killing Shinji with her shadow powers and thinking it meant she was in control the entire time.
>5 out of 6 are fucking insane and would rather kill the person they love than see him with another woman
Why is Kohaku so much more sympathetic than Sakura?
Shirou, Archer, Lancer, Gilgamesh, and Kirei. Berserker's rad as fuck but could use a scene where he says something.
She isn't, atleast Sakura was burdened with the curses inside the grail preying on her repressed emotions, Kohaku deliberately set in motion a plan that not only murdered her best friend but also innocent people who SHIKI happened to target.
Shirou's ideal isn't challenged so I guess so.