there's like a 0% chance that they won't
The other options are just pure shit
Yes, I agree. We need to fix that shittaste of yours.
I'm not denying they will, but there's still some stuff to deal with on day seven. I think the preview showed them going at least a chunk of the way through day eight.
The last thing in the preview was from "Another blessing for this loser" which is directly before that scene
I wonder how they'll do pic related
I'm a little worried they'll skip over it. Ufotable hasn't been doing too well with handling Shirou's monologues.
Alternatively they could paraphrase the scene in a conversation with Saber.
>I'm a little worried they'll skip over it
I don't think they'll do that.
It's a pretty important part of Shirou developing feelings for Rin
Girl in the background at 0:41 thought I was looking at Akiha for a second.
A lot of Shirou's development is going to be lost simply because it's impossible to properly develop a VN as wordy as Fate into a visual medium. The best we can do is hope they'll somehow implement it instead of taking it out entirely.
>Actually getting turned on by the wonky porn scenes
More power to you, I guess.
Who the hell gets off the to lewd scenes?
Rin actually still gets a fair bit of money from several magic patents her family has. Kirei didn't completely screw her over.
Though she spends most of it all on gems.
"Have you ever had your right hand touch your right elbow?"
What's with this twintailed hag?
>Tokiomi's parting words to Rin:
>Keep the Mage's Association in your debt
What'd he mean by that?
Is the Tohsaka family running a brothel for member's of the Mage's Association and blackmailing them, or something? He raised a filthy whore, didn't he?
Choose one, drown the rest.
We already discussed you and came to the conclusion that Rider is your superior.
I get the point, but the scenes just were not that great.
The art isn't great and the dialogue is silly.
Which Rin is best Rin?
And why is it sleepy Rin?
Rin's breasts are one of the biggest variables in the multiverse. She's medium in the VN, almost as big as Sakura in extra, and flat as a board in Prisma.
CP has best everyone, so that goes without saying
I can't believe people actually had a problem with Ufo Rin.
Well Rin does become a 10/10 waifu.
>you will never cuddle with Rin
Rin is the opposite of abusive though. She's always there to help him.
>you will never hang out at the pool with Rin
>you will never have lunch on the roof with Rin
Sakura doesn't seem like the type to emotionally abuse her man, though. She could be doing that thing women do where they change after becoming a couple though.
Then again she is 16 so I can't really expect much. Do we get to see the heroines as they age or is that another thing?
>Rin Tohsaka’s first SG. Rin herself describes it as “a queenly mode of behavior, imposed by one’s nobility, completely natural for a leader.” Indeed, its meaning is unclear.
>Another name for it is “templation.” It comes from the word “template,” and was a popular slang term in 21st century Japan.
>Humans may, due to various emotions and circumstances, reject thinks they like saying they don’t like them, or accept things they hate saying they don’t mind them.
>The opposite of good will isn’t ill will, but rather indifference.
>Liking is the other side of hating. Hating is the other side of liking. This sort of “dishonesty” is an ailment common to all people. It’s nothing particularly shameful.
>However, there’s also the case where the more pride one has the haughtier one behaves towards someone one’s interested in, and engages in contradictory behavior. Of course we wouldn’t dare to say who, though.
>This templation shifts from the simply dishonest attitude to an actively malicious attitude, a condition particular to girls.
>Their behavior when they act with pride is called “tsuntsun,” and when their need to be liked by the other party reaches a boiling point they’ll turn “deredere,” and the two together are called “tsundere.”
>Of course we wouldn’t dare to say who, but,
>Some call this a bittersweet SG, for it is the fate of templation to disappear when love is fulfilled. A certain priest says this of it: “Once she confesses to the target of her affections, she is no longer ‘tsun,’ or anything else, but a contemptible impure thing.”
>Unfortunately, all that lies past graduation from this SG is becoming an silly couple so wrapped up in their love they don’t even notice that people are watching. If you are a well-meaning third party, you will probably have various thoughts of your own about this, but please watch over them kindly.
Damn, Tohsaka's Tohsakas looking a bit huge there.
I actually just finished F/HA a few hours ago. God damn that shit is confusing, but from what I gathered, the only characters that actually existed were Bazett and Avenger. Everyone else was a fake created by the Grail's memories or something. So that wasn't the real Rin anyway. I think.
Fucking Christ. Rin then. At least you won't have to worry about her slicing your stomach as you sleep next to her calmly.
By extension you also get a massive house, a magical wife and a rad bromance.
Unfortunately, you also face competition from your future self
>being on the level of Saberfags
Rinfags please, you are better than this.
The events weren't real, but the people were as good as real. Real life Rin will remember the events of the loop world as a vague feeling of deja vu. According to Ilya and Caren, at least.
I'd team up with Lancer and gave him give me tips and tricks to beating cynical angry men like Archer.
Rin will be jealous of the rad bromance that we will have, and I'll probably hook-up with her friend Ayako until she comes around.
Caren herself wasn't even real, she told Avenger as much, like she was just a projection of the real Caren inserted into that world as some sort of causality thing because Kirei couldn't exist, but the Grail needed someone to fill out his role.
I'm still pretty sure they weren't completely real in every sense of the word. I mean, there has to be something explaining why many of the characters differed significantly from their original selves. Maybe it was like their mental image of themself?
The Mage's Association pays money to Rin's family for a bunch of important magical patents and has to play nice with them for the sake of the Holy Grail War, I think he meant that she should try to keep it that way.
Honestly I don't remember them mentioning that. All I remember was Caren telling me that she was even more fake than everyone because she won't get deja vu inside the grail while everyone did. Make note they mentioned inside the grail not the real world outside.
What I really don't get is that Caren said that Shirou would experience the same deja vu effect as everyone else in the story, but as far as I can tell, Shirou wasn't even actually in the story and it was just Avenger taking on his body/mindset or something the whole time
That explains why Shirou's characterization was all over the place. At times he was supreme donkan, and in other scenes he was all "woohoo titties slurp". Otherwise you could wave it off as Avenger influence, but Nasu goes out of his way to claim that when Avenger takes the role of Shirou, he is 100% Shirou.
>TFW if it wasn't for Avalon Arturia would legitimately be the worst Saber in the franchise to have by your side in the Grail War
Why does Nasu love making all of her clones so much better than she is?
>That explains why Shirou's characterization was all over the place.
This is what bothered me the most besides the bad Rin characterization in some scenes. At least they got Sakura right.
Well the entire world was mostly just a manifestation of Avenger's desire to keep existing, right? So it stands to reason that he could create multiple copies of himself if need be
Gawain, Red Saber, and Siegfried are all straight upgrades over her without Avalon. Mordred is more of a sidegrade in this situation, offering some benefits she doesn't but being much worse in other aspects as well.
Sakura Saber is the only one whose worse, and even she could give Arturia a good run for her money.
"You wouldn't choose that dog of a mage instead of me, would you?"
I dunno man I thought her interactions with Shinji seemed really poorly done.
Still better than Rin overall though, in terms of how close they stuck to her original characterization.
I understood it that Avenger created 2 separate looping worlds, one for himself and another for Bazett. He appeared as Avenger in Bazett's, and as Shirou in his own. The two looping worlds had some overlap from time to time, which allowed the two Avengers to meet. It also explains why Shirou Avenger could never find Bazett, despite visiting the house she stayed at.
Rin might have been a little off in HA, but she still had good parts.
Shirou still explored the houses at day, so he should have found Bazett sleeping there.
Though, he did only explore the one mansion once, and that was after Bazett had pretty much disappeared from the story to wait for Avenger within the Grail
I liked the Bazette and Avenger parts in Hollow Ataraxia more than the wacky antics of Shirou's gang.
The scenes with Caster, Rider and Lancer were top notch. What was up with Gilgamesh in the Holy Grail crater?
Shirou was running around every night too, wasn't he?
Bazett should've been sleeping or doing whatever the fuck she does during day in the crib she stayed at, but anytime Shirou Avenger visits it, he gets these visions or memories of the eight master being there, and she never is.
All Type Moon characters become watered down in stuff like fandiscs and lighter hearted stories.
Pic related, I love Kohaku, but she's probably the worst offender.
>yfw you realize it's called Eclipse because it's symbolic of the point where the real world crosses over with the fake world of HA
B R A V O N A S U
That's just how I interpreted this scene.
Well you also had a chance to skip most of them since you knew most of them would take place in Shirou's house.
I'm keeping a counter of how many food scenes there are in the UBW anime. Out of the 8 episodes so far (not counting the prologue), there have been ten. And I left out some where they were just having tea or a light snack as well. It's fucking ludicrous.
She is pretty much the same as she was in FSN, I don't know what people mean when they say that. She had her wiseass moments in FSN, so her being snarky in Hollow and a bit bolder isn't surprising because she is 1.) Free and doesn't need to hide things and 2.) It's been six months and she was doing a ton of things.
It even had her working with Dilo (the priest who replaces Kirei when he dies)in Hollow, like she was working with him in HF True. So logically, she doesn't seem very different, or the differences are just a further progression of her character.
Added voices, and a new minigame to compensate for no H-scenes.
The soundtrack wasn't updated, unfortunately.
You didn't listen, she hardly changed fundamentally. If they think she is more likeable in H/A, that is another thing, there are Rin fans that find Rin retarded in Hollow, so it depends on the person. Or they just like more comedic scenes.
Me as a Sakura fan, didn't find her much different in Hollow, she was just able to do more because she was free, but since she has such initiative in the main story it's not really surprising. She always goes to Dilo for training no matter the ending in HF, she always becomes the archery captain, etc.
About the only huge things was slapping Shinji's shit, and that was because he bled her patience dry, and getting snarkier with Rin.
Kind of like how Rider is not changed fundamentally, but you find out exactly why she is so loyal to Sakura and learn more about her. Same with Medea and Cu.
Rin was so cute, so cute in the new episode
>she hardly changed fundamentally
What we saw in HA wasn't a logical progression of her character whatsoever considering that Zouken still exists in HA, you don't do a 180 on Sakura's brand of trauma in just six months, HA Rin wasn't on terribly good terms with her and hell, the only time she took any kind of initiative in F/SN was when she started turning evil.
They changed her to make her more likable in the same manner that Evafags talk about Asuka being changed in Rebuild
>implying she's not cute in every episode
>She was pretty ugly in like first 2 or 3 of this series until they got a grip on drawing/animating her
Not really they were just bad shots of her. She hasn't changed at all.
That is the thing, her trauma wasn't wiped away, far from it. She is just attempting to move on. There was a good scene where Shirou observes her interacting with Rin and notes how their relationship will never be as it was before, but they can move on and build a new relationship. Sakura still has the self-loathing and being too empathetic for her own good shown throughout Hollow, the fact Shinji and Zouken still live is a facet of that. There was even a scene where Ayako asks her to just flat out punch Shinji, and she says she wasn't ready to do that quite yet.
Heck, she ends up being permanently marked by AM with black circuits, with a potential for blackening again if she operates as a magus for too long in battle. Along with her hating the Matou magecraft (which she mentions to Shirou in HF) will make living as a magus much harder. But she does it anyway, getting a mystic code and spells to mitigate the effects of using magic. That shows her having the trauma, but working through it.
And she did show initiative, she saved Shirou at the temple at her own personal safety and remaining life force in HF. And then later in the forest. Perhaps you just have too much of a shallow knowledge of her character. The reasoning why she doesn't do more was spelled out in the route itself.
So yeah, there are plenty of plausible connections to her development in Hollow without having to completely change her fundamentally.
>People taking HA as anything other than fanwank, thinking that is shows how characters progressed after the end of SN.
Come on now.
You can argue the day segements were made up bullshit for avenger to have fun, but are you saying that makes Bazett and Avenger's story any less valid?
Oh, I thought you were speaking of F/SN. I'll agree, especially because she was barely even tsundere in F/SN. It's more like she was just a genuinely grumpy and irritable person because her anger is directed towards everyone and not just a love interest, she doesn't use it to hide some stupid insecurity, and it's not because she doesn't know how to express affection either. Far from it. She just simply has temper problems.
Dude, Rin being all over the place us the crux of her character. Too nice but cold at the most inopportune times, naive in a lot of places despite showing an air of maturity, having a temper on a hair trigger about the strangest things. All of those things are in Hollow, but that doesn't make her a violent tsundere, that is just her character period.
Eh, I don't think so. She might have just been angry in that moment. IIRC she didn't act like that at all on her date with Shirou, she was more mercilessly teasing him and having fun with it.
I don't know man, they downplay it so much that I question whether she even was one until HA
>posting a different version of the same scene I was replying to
You're not doing yourself any favors
Like I said, there's a difference between being tsundere and simply being easily pissed
Just because it's a fandisk, doesn't mean the character interactions don't have nuggets of info to gain for character progression.
Nasu just says not to take it seriously so he doesn't have to be clear about characters. He was noted to prefer people to have their own interpretations of his characters and that is why he is so vague on some things.
Besides, H/A has so much hidden gold to be gained it'd be silly to just call it all fan want because it does link to important aspects of the characters. Medusa's talk with Avenger made a lot of her loyalty in HF make sense, while also seeing why she herself is mistaken in some parts of that loyalty and she comes to a better understanding of herself and her love (yes love, there was "ai" there) for Sakura. Saber talking about her marriage to Guinevere is another one.
Come on now, i played F/SN like a month ago and there is no way you can see her as something other than tsundere.
At start I hated because of it, the whole "surpise lesbo!" thing didn't help either, but by the end of it I figuredshe had enough cool moments and character development to maybe look at here as more than a boring archetype.
I don't even give a shit about Fate, but after hearing about this Gilgamesh dude I came across a book in the library telling the epic of Gilgamesh and started reading it.
It's alright, so thanks I guess.
I don't know what Shirou did to put her in that mood, but like I said, Shirou ain't the only one she gets mad at. I know at least she got pissy with Archer, Shinji and Lancer. Also with Shirou in routes where it's not clear that she actually likes him. And she's capable of expressing her affection in ways other than anger as well. If she was a tsundere, neither of these would be true
Even the added scenes by Ufotable made her more violent.
Though it's understandable, I guess, given the circumstances.
Yeah I got the book too 2 weeks ago and read it. It's pretty fucking good, especially considering what it is.
Also the Gilgamesh of F/SN has absolutely nothing to do with the one from the Epic, the dude that wrote it just read the wiki for 10 minutes.
Come on now, she throws erasers and has a invitation note that says "if you don't come I'll kill you" crossed out because she couldn't help it because she was too embarassed to write it properly. The girl has a temper and can be exceptionally awkward. That is her character, being conflicted in her approach to things.
So if she thinks Shirou is inviting her to a neighborhood orgy at HER pool, her leg sweeping him doesn't seem ooc.
I want her to pin me against a tree and peg me
Not always, a lot of times she yells at him
That was what those "Rin-sama angry" or "the great devil gets really angry" scenes are about. She gets worked up by very minor things at times.
Yes but she never hit him in the original VN. Hitting was was a modern tsundere thing and in those times it seemed to have gained popularity which is why the guest writers probably included that.
To be fair though, considering she knows he works in a more straightforward fashion, she could have just said, let's spend a day at the pool together, and yeah she did think he had ulterior motives because she called him a degenerate and made assertions that he was talking about doing perverted things when he talked about inviting Saber. So she was most assuredly in the wrong in that convo. Shirou just tends to forgive her for those things.
Another example would be "Rose and Hydrangea" in Fate route, where Rin was incredibly rude to Sakura and went full retard to get her to leave. Rin has times she puts her foot in her mouth, sometimes despite knowing bettee, because she can be an awkward person.
Still, it does have some scenes I will treasure forever
Yeah Rin acted utterly retarded during that scene though it's kinda funny that she and Sakura talk it ou the next time Shirou isn't in the same room and are on friendly terms afterwards.
But Avenger!Shirou was way beyond dense in that scene
No, F/HA is a mess because it requires so much bullshit just to get its story running
>groundhog day loop
>Every possible event that could have happened during the 5th HGW all merged into one present
>characters may or may not exist
>characters possessing other characters
>plot points obscured in obtuse prose to the point where you have to be fluent in Nasu to make sense of anything
I get that Nasu likes to be needlessly complex, but jesus christ
I'd actually say Gil was the one who changed the most, not that he was particularly important. Shirou one can write off by saying it was Avenger the whole time. Rin... I won't defend what they did to her.
Just finished Extra and i have 2 questions.
What was that whole ending about? When that glasses dude that i had never seen before came out of nowhere and started monologuing for ever, I started tuning out.
Also, it it worth replaying it 2 more times for Caster and Archer?
>Rin... I won't defend what they did to her.
You can always say the Avenger copy of Rin didn't match the Original and since is using Shirou his dream world probably ranked down everyones personality. But true grown Gil was even more retarded than usual.
I think it would've made more sense to have Avenger be the one that made it so that everyone was alive instead of Rin and the retarded Jewel sword bullshit. It would've added some drama aspect to the final scene where everyone is fighting to end the loop despite knowing they're dead outside it.
I think it would have made more sense to not do any of the metaphysical shit at all. At its core, F/HA is about two people that have trouble coming to terms with their own deaths because of their regrets in life. There's already characters in Fate that could fulfill that role to begin with (say, Ilya), and it would have been much more cohesive if there was no excuse for all the filler like the loop was
I didn't really care for her or any Saber/Saber-clone for that matter, but I heard the prefered order was Saber>Aacha>Caster so i went with Saber thinking I will go back and play it 2 more times, but the combat system is such rotting and boring shit, i am having doubts.
As a VN tho, it's pretty fucking top notch, all the Servants (outside Lu Bu and Robin Hood) were great, especially that Li Assassin dude.
Bazett and Avenger were great characters though. FHA was sloppily put together, but it was still worth it. It also gave Lancer some shine, who never really gets a proper role in any FSN route.
Shirou can be perceptive, but has extreme moments of density you can't really wrote off. Ex. Not grasping Sakura liking him, trusting Shinji, the list goes on. He isn't dumb, but he really has derp in spades sometimes.
Just like Rin has extremely awkward and painfully socially inept moments.
You got to accept the flaws characters have.
Lancer's role in UBW made him my favorite servant
Anyway, strip out all the bullshit in HA and I bet it'd only be 5 hours long or so, if that. Instead, it took me 40 hours to get through (and I didn't 100% it). Forgive me if I feel slightly cheated.
>You got to accept the flaws characters have.
Eh, he was never perceptive with Sakura but he was with Rin that's the point, and in F/HA they changed that. I accept his flaws but when he goes out of character it's also pretty obvious, and he did many times in F/HA.
>Not grasping Sakura liking him
But he doesn't care since he doesn't like her and has no intention of going after her.
He trusts Shinji in the same way he trusts everyone. Even then, he has no proof that Shinji is abusing Sakura, he's just assuming that.
I've only read the first novel, but she is very dutiful and objective in her duties as ruler, polite, grateful, and prays a bunch. She hasn't really done too much up to this point though, but I believe she has a larger role later on.
The only pure character is Taiga
it's not even a choice
Why does she wear the buruma?
If I take it off, will she die?
hey buddy, I perfectly agree with you, just used the most fitting image
They're also completely adorable together. Including Jeanne hiding behind a bedroom door because she's nervous about being near a homunculus with the build of Siegfried the hero thanks to a reverse-Illya.
Too bad she already lost the Siegbowl
Disregard the vita version. Forever a slut good, but one of the good kind
>Gilgamesh is chaotic good
>Rips a little girls heart out and wants to genocide the world
Does Nasu go off of /pol/'s code of ethics or what
He was framed the mastermind of a war which he put an end to. Also telling them about Illya had nothing to do with his keikaku and it only would have made it more obvious he was EMIYA, which early on, he did not necessairly want to reveal
>Forever a slut good, but one of the good kind
that artist sure knows how to tickle my penis
To him Taiga is his sister, so that's incest and Illya is a loli and his sister so that's pedophilia incest.
I would be my left ballsack if I could just hug Illya once.
They don't get along all that well, but you can leave them alone in the same house for a while and they won't destroy you. Plus bar magic (not counting the shadow thing) none of the Fate girls have demonic powers like Akiha and Arcade.
>As to Ilya, he's not a lolicon
That's only because they never went to the beach in original Fate. Illya in a bikini awoke his caladbolg
In HA every time Rin and Sakura are on screen together they start snarking at each other with closed smiles and trolling comments. Saber once barges in on a date SHirou and Sakura were having, Rin causes some events that lead to underwear hijinks that end so badly Shirou just gives up and runs away and IIya only behaves because Shirous around. leaving those four to their own devices would end with a destroyed house and that's without Rider being added to the mix.
Yo ah be da bone o' muh motha fuckin sword.
Steel iz muh motha fuckin body an' fire iz muh motha fuckin blood.
ah gots created ova uh thousand blades.
Unknown ta Deaf, Nor known ta Life.
gots withstood pain ta create many weapons.
Yet, those hands will never hold anythin`.
So as ah pray, unlimited blade werkz Ya' know what I'm sayin'?
I just wanted to see Pegasus in action. Her voice actor already said she was getting minimal screen time in HF.
>you're the only one who likes Natalia
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I didn't thought mods existed anymore
I still cannot understand this image. Or the whole high jump thing, what is with that anyway?
ALSO, FUCKING IMAGE LIMIT REACHED.
SCREW YOU GUYS.
b-baka, I just haven't hit that part yet and it was killing me because everybody posts about it. But thanks for posting it, I still don't get the other one. Why are they ALL like that?
> not wanting Rin
There you go, you big girl. It's not that bad though. I have been reading the VN at night and I am at the start of the day after the events of the latest episode. I'm still wondering why exactly ufotable summoned Saber in the hallway when she was clearly summoned in the classroom and Shirou is using a broomstick instead of the leg of the chair. Minor details.
>I'm still wondering why exactly ufotable summoned Saber in the hallway when she was clearly summoned in the classroom and Shirou is using a broomstick instead of the leg of the chair.
More tension probably.
The skellingtons didn't even attack before Saibah was summoned.
lel just updated. You are right, I have no clue why they would do that. Also, Rider was found on the floor of the classroom with Shinji in it in the VN but in the animation they are separated.
That makes sense, and yeah, that was odd.
With the point of Shirou using a broomstick instead of the leg of the chair (so that he'll be using 2 instead of one), I guess it's to not make it too obvious with the foreshadowing. Also maybe to show his progress in fighting not happening TOO fast (it might be bad to show a person who fought like a novice, being sent flying by Saber, to someone who is somewhat skilled in fighting to 2 swords).
>I guess it's to not make it too obvious with the foreshadowing
They've him dual wielding shinai, immediately after saying he was imitating archer's style, chair legs would have been way more subtle.
Is this what he is holding?
The reason Shirou became estranged with Shinji was because he found proof he abused her and they actually came to blows.
As for not being attracted to her, here:
>Anyways, Sakura is a good cook, and perfect at cleaning and doing the laundry.
It's a big help to have her helping around here in the mornings, but it's been a bit troubling recently.
The problem is not in Sakura, but me.
>Frankly, Sakura is beautiful.
She's one of the best looking first years, and I'm sure there are lots of guys who want to date her.
And on top of that, she's been growing in certain places recently and some of her casual gestures have started to catch my eye.
>…That's what I mean by a small problem.
Maybe I'm just feeling guilty about being attracted to my friend's sister.
>Usually I'm fine, but when I'm caught off guard like just now, I blush… does this make me an unsuitable Senpai…?
I think it was the first or second day of the Fate route, depending on the choice you make (most likely to help her with breakfast), he pretty much admits that he finds her overwhelmingly beautiful despite how young she is.