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Why can't anime do horror?

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Why can't anime do horror?
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>>117442509
Because Otaku are stupid
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>>117442509
Panty shots break immersion.
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>>117442509
Because no one can do horror? They're all comedies for a reason.
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the medium of cartoons is inherently disassociated from reality, the amount of effort to establish horror is too great
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>>117442766
Watch some real horror, m8, not gore shit like saw.
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>>117442766
This
I've never seen a comedy where I don't laugh
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>>117442509

Because cute girls are cute, not scary.
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>>117442824
Recommendations?
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>>117442509
cus anime
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>>117442824
I never saw saw and I have never seen a horror that isn't a comedy.
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>>117442509
Because anime is good and horror is shit.
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>>117442900
Audition.
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No one can do horror anymore, ever since horror became a genre, and I'm not talking about petty jump scares. True horror is impossible to do because we're all way to desensitized to it.

As a horror fan, our only salvation is Oculus/VR. Even then though we'll eventually distance ourselves from it.
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because anime is clearly a cartoon
has a cartoon ever spooked you?
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>>117442957
Are you serious? That movie was so weak and they never even explained the main girl's reason for killing the guy.
Probably my least favourite Miike film.
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>>117442900
The Machinist is great, anything buy Hitchcock if you can into older movies.
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>>117443005
Yes. Oreimo.
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>>117442957
I've seen it. And it can be tossed into the goreshit category.
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Ghost Hound did well for around half the series. Then turned to shonenshit special power show for kids.

Perfext blue did well for psycho horror, but noone remembers it existed nowdays.

Kids focus on Higurashi or OP's series - its accesible, easy to watch and gory in a C-class movie way.

I think that anime cant do well in horror due to infantile watcher base. The shows that tend to go into "horror" focus on gorefests for some teenage boys instead of complex stuff that the genere sometimes delivers when it comes to 3dpd movies.

I fail to see a series that would not turn to utter shit after a good start, its just impossible to do good and fulfill watcherbase expectations at the same time.
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>>117443024
Are you saying that Psycho and The Birds or whatever it was called are not comedies because I was laughing.
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Shiki isn't horror, it's drama. Try High School of the Dead.
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>>117442509
It can, sometimes.

>Lain
>Shinsekai Yori
>Jigoku Shoujo
>Perfect Blue
>Boogiepop Phantom
>episode one of Another
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>>117442509
I hate horror so I'm okay with this.
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>>117443071
>Try High School of the Dead.
But that's tits, tits and more tits, not that I want to complain, just saying.
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>>117443109
None of those are horror.
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>>117443125
>Tits, tits and more tits

Do you watch horror movies?
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OP should watch Mononoke and Devilman
and if you can stomach CG (it adds to the atmosphere in this situation) check out Urban Legend Story Hikiko
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>>117443143
Half of them are and even the ones that aren't have better horror than most horror anime, faggot.
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>>117443143
Boogiepop Phantom is horror.
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>>117443109
>Lain
>SSY
>Another

>horror
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TRUE horror is only extremely rarely pulled off, since we're mostly immune to shock value as a society at this point. There aren't really any more barriers to be broken, so most just resort to jump scares, gross-out shit, or just plain not taking themselves seriously.

Real horror is best achieved when there's a legitimate sense of immersion and autonomy in progressing through the story, which is honestly a bit easier to achieve with certain video games or novels.
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Mononoke.
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>>117442509
Because drawings aren't scary.
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>>117443069
Obviously it's not, I can understand that it made you laugh, though. I said "if you can into older movies" exactly because of that. If you are not somewhat experienced with story telling and special effects in older films some scenes might appear to be strange or comedical.
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>>117443172
They're not horror since no such thing exists.
>>117443180
It sure fooled me.
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>>117443143
what a great fucking argument, nice job anon-kun
mind actually explaining why you don't consider them horror?
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>>117443215
The OP asked why anime can't do horror. I listed examples that do it well, even if they're not part of the genre.
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>>117442829
Uh...
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>>117442509
Higurashi?
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Anime specializes in second-hand anxiety, which is worse than horror.
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>>117443109
>Lain
Has some horror scenes which are ok
>Shinsekai Yori
>Not horror at all
>Jigoku Shoujo
Can't tell, have dropped it after 3 episodes, because it seemed like shit.
>Perfect Blue
A good movie with some good horror elements, yes.
>Boogiepop Phantom
It's well made but not really horror, the main goal of a scene is very rarely to scare the audience
>episode one of Another
lel
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>>117443233
How could it fool you? It's listed as horror pretty much everywhere and the content is clearly that of a horror show.
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>>117442509

Character designs and art styles are so important. I've yet to see truly horrific ones that aren't silly as well. Manga conveys horror better but I'm not sure whether that says much on the whole.
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>>117443263
I'll never forget watching episode 19 of SSY for the first time. Probably the best execution of horror I've seen in anime.
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>>117442509
Who says it can't? Is just nowdays horror anime doesn't sell well.

>>117442708
Yeah, because is not as if horror had fanservice or something
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>>117443155
Rarely but when someone mentions horror I expect at least 50% horror, not 90% tits.
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>fuck this thing
>fuck that alien creature jump scare
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>>117443155
But isn't OP arguing that even though an anime categorizes itself as horror, it can't do it effectively? A lot of horror films that do contain tits and ass aren't very good either.
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The only thing in anime that scared me, lately, that I can remember, is that one scene from M3 ep01:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vULX5aeUyQM#t=206

@03:26
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>>117442509
Because chinese cartoons aren't scary
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>>117442509
This series isn't a horror but it is a Gothic-horror and it is still one of my personal favorites.
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>>117443528
too bad that anime went to shit almost right away
love the eyes on the character designs though
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>>117443528
>wow, that's not too bad
>oh shit, I'm actually feeling tension
>LOL NOPE MECHA FIRING RETARDED GUNS AT MONSTERS
>LET ME DISMOUNT AND YELL AT THIS KID

Yup, it's just impossible for the japs.
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>>117442509
As far as recent memory goes, I kind of found Terraformars to be a little creepy. Before it turned into super-sentai bullshit
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>>117443653
That looks so retarded it's absolutely impossible to even begin to take it seriously.
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>>117443243
Lain was a fun show with nice art, good music, and computers. It really brought me to back in the day with computers; all that configuration, shit not working, noise everywhere, and shit being outdated in months.
I only watched SSY for the world-building and edgy shit. I thought it was more political than anything else.
Jigoku Shoujo was more boring than Kyuuketsuhime Miyu. I didn't know such a thing was possible.
Perfect Blue was fun but I wasn't in any way scared.
Boogiepop Phantom had me laughing all the way through.
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>>117442509
It can. It has. Its just not common because there is no demand or interest.
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>>117443005
Retuuuurn the slaaaaab
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Well, in contrast to the anime which felt like a grindhouse comedy, the Higarashi VN was actually fucking spooky.
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Ghost Hunt is a pretty good horror. One of the story really scared me and the rest is pretty interessing
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>>117442957
That movie is fucking terrible. It's not scary, it's just stupid.
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>>117444115
>This fucking guy
That episode still freaks me out.
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>>117444115
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>>117443005
Yes, that Korean shit scared the ever living fuck out of me.
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Mononoke had some good moments.
Perfect Blue did a good job, but as a thriller first and foremost.
Generally, true horror can't be pulled of in anime because of its episodic format. As >>117443217 pointed out, it needs buildup and immersion, which can be done in anime, but not as a genre, rather single moments of chills down the spine. One that comes to mind would be when K kills himself in in Kokoro.
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"horror" is pretty hard to convey, best you can hope for is an intimidating "thriller"

http://youtu.be/E3oSg7bNxSg
http://youtu.be/QDd-W_lOM_Q

Kind of like the shining
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>>117444384
Jesus fucking christ. Why did you reminded me of this.
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>>117443686
This. The first time I went through it, without knowing what it was about, it felt creepy as fuck
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They just don't try hard enough. It's hard to say that it's an inherent fault in the medium. There are plenty of freaky manga and those are also drawn pictures, which don't even have the advantage of motion and sound.

Know what's hardly ever scared me? Books.
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I have high hopes for the Gakkou Gurashi! anime.
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>>117444831
By the way, do you guys have any manga that has nightmares-like faces, just like the Higurashi ?
Damn Rena and Takano were fucking scary.
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>>117445140
http://youtu.be/9wLq9NI2-uo?t=2m43s
Any good horror isn't really horror
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>>117442766
>nothing scares me, guys!
Checkmate, faggot
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Theres an OVA called Biohunter that came out a zillion years ago that was kinda freaky when I was a little kid.
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>>117445341
>2014
>getting scared
Stay pleb.
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>>117442900
Try out Possession.
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Horror works better in stop-motion animation.
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>>117445986
It works best in literature, in fact.
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>>117442900
Rosemary's motherfucking Baby
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>>117445632
I can lie too, idiot.
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>>117443220
Good shit but I didn't feel spooked...

>pic related spooked me the most despite being a comedy
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>>117446136
Oh God the stress in this one.
How come no one has mentioned Blair Witch ? Except for the ending it was fucking perfect.
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>>117446242
Didn't you get the memo? Pretending to not be scared is the hip thing to do when talking about horror.
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>>117444115
i think in order for an anime to be successfully scary it has to not market itself as primarily horror. it has to be weird and unexpected for the fictional universe you are immersed in. Thats why enemies in old games that werent supposed to be scary often were. The Eel from mario wouldnt be creepy if it was in a horror game.
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>>117444115
Holy shit why was I allowed to watch this at age 7
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>>117443215
>Another
I agree with this. It felt like horror before going full pieshit. Based Otani Ko on the music did a good job and the sound effects added tension too.
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>>117446364
Feels like highschool again !
God I regret not saving names from the /x/ horror movie thread a while ago.
Jacob's Ladder is also really good. Not a full fledged horror movie but damn...
Also, is the Jigoku Shoujo anime the least bit scary ?
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I got spooked by Maou-sama's haunted house bit.
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Is it normal if I'm easily spooked by anything that's horror except skeletons?
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mememe is pretty creepy for a short
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Not exactly anime, but Ever17 and Remember11 had some good moments of existential horror. Saya no Uta is another obvious choice. And Muv-Luv had its moments. I think the VN medium is very suited to horror stuff. It might be because it requires direct interaction from the person playing and usually assumes a first person perspective.
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>>117442509
To this day nothing has really freaked me out in an anime... with maybe the exception of that creepy doll e-mail scene in Steins;Gate. I was just not ready for that one.
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>>117446926
How the fuck do you get scared by 2D Chucky?
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>>117445632
Arachnophobia.

/a/ are fucking faggots when it comes to this.
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>>117447072
Like I said; just didn't have my guard up when it happened. He was in a grocery store, really didn't seem like the opportune time for a jump scare--obviously I stand corrected.
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I liked the two horror episodes of cowboy bebop, toys in the attic and angry autist man.

Perfect Blue was good as well.
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What is the point of horror anyways? Why would you want to watch something that will just give you shitty nightmares for the rest of your life.
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>>117444115
This never scared me. I couldn't even watch that fucking hotel episode with Katz.

Still the best villain.
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The anime is shit, but the Chaos;Head VN has an amazing suspenseful atmosphere.
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>>117442509
Let me introduce you to a friend of mine.
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>>117447374
Are you fucking kidding me.
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>>117442509
Moe happened, now even the sickest shit is somewhat moe in anime.
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How would you make an anime spooky?
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>>117447497
How does anyone make anything spooky?
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>>117447519
Ghosts wearing bedsheets.
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>no one mentions Akira
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about 10 years ago i showed a scene from Higurashi to my little sister that had the characters acting spooky/violent (can't remember the exact scene)

she ran out of the room crying and told mom
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>>117442509
20 episode format, hacks can't write horror.

Lain is probably the closest thing to a "horror" anime there is.
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>>117443005
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>>117447281
It's thrilling and entertaining because even if it's scary you still end up seeing it.
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Before he became a normalfaggot did moot ever do anything creative on Halloween? He could have had threads occasionally fuck up and have to refresh then have images that take up the entire screen flash in and out with distorted radio sounds. Gore would be too predictable. More subtle things like a loli with blank black eyes peeking in a door.

Someone would probably just fap, though,
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>>117447654
How is that scary?
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>>117447692
Nigga how is lain a horror anime?
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It usually fails to make things creepy. To delve into the uncanny valley from the right side instead from the left.

Psychological horror on the other hand can work. But writers often fail to realize the potential, doing very creepy things but give it all a lighthearted atmosphere that doesn't make you dwell on it.


Consider the following scenario

>Why yes, our spaceships are indeed powered by the brains of little girls. Harvested from orphanages.

What a lighthearted show will do:
>The girls have hologram avatars and are reasonably happy with their role

What a show going for drama will do:
>Show some totally-not-space-nazi troops abducting them and stuffing them into mad scientist vats, focusing the viewer's hatred on the bad guys instead of considering just how disturbing it is for the victims

What they should do:
>Everyone acts as if this were perfectly normal. The camera just lingers for a moment to show a technician pat an anonymous tank while he performs maintenance. "as good as new"
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>>117447281

If you're having nightmares from some spooky movie you watched a long time ago and you're older than 10 you might have some unresolved issues that need to be worked on.
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>>117443357
One Punch Man?
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>>117442989
I disagree. I just think people get too hung up on monsters and ghasts and ghouls and other unscary halloween bs. Horror isn't about sight so much as anticipation and implication. Anime has an especially hard time with this since you cant really sell a horror that you cant see, or at least not see often. Also good characterization helps, but its rare for anime (or pretty much anything else) to avoid common cliches and tropes that make any tension comical and "serves you right".
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>>117447964
I said "closest thing to a horror anime", not "horror anime".
Lain gets one thing right, that virtually every last horror film gets wrong.
Atmosphere, everything in horror rides on that.
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>>117443069
laughter is a coping mechanism for fear
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