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Is Shirou literally bereft of brains? Who rushes off to fight

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Is Shirou literally bereft of brains?

Who rushes off to fight an enemy Stand on their own with only an inanimate carbon rod?
There is dumb, then there is too stupid to live.

Was a expecting a solid episode with a cool fight and that's exactly what it was. Too bad Rider is incompetent at winning a fight that could be over in like two seconds. Shirou is still an idiot, and Fate route Rin is still forever superior.
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Kill yourself retarded secondary
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Yes, Shirou is a moron, news at eleven. That's why he's constantly berated for being a moron by the other characters. He survived because Rider's master is somehow more incompetent than he is.
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yeah its better to be stuck in the open getting sniped by a servant while rin is healing someone then drawing its attention until shes done
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It's almost like there's something deeply wrong with Shirou.

Nah, that can't be.
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>>116942766

Wow we have literally been complaining about this for almost ten years and you just fucking discovered it

I wonder if you're new
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>>116942766
>an enemy Stand

Anon, you fucking retard.
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>>116943067
Or use a damn command spell to summon Saber over.
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>>116943102
Well this isn't HF so there are fewer things wrong with him, but you are not wrong.
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How fucking new are you OP
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>>116943135
There's a bad end for that in the novel.
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I actually really like Shirou's complete willingness to throw himself into danger even if it's just to do SOMETHING about the situation he doesn't like. He's constantly thinking "there's no way I can win this" but he steps up to the fucking plate anyways because it never even seems to occur to him that he could NOT fight the bad guy. People call it generic but I think he approaches it in a unique way and I always found it really inspiring to the point where I'd call FS/N and Shirou really influential in the way that I try to live my life. Been considering getting a tattoo of pic related for years.

Spoiled because /a/ will tear me a new asshole
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>>116943102
Yes we get it, Shirou is bonkers, I'm pretty sure everyone and their mothers knows it at this point.
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>>116943221
If that was the case then we wouldn't have these threads.
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>>116943135

>>116943182 already said it but this is a bad idea and gets you dead
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Hey it's "People die if they are killed" Shirou Emiya. I can excuse his existence if Archer shows up at some point.
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>>116943305
He'll show up. You'll love it, trust me.
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>>116943304
This is the same story where trying to protect Saber by throwing yourself in front of Berserker's sword is a good idea.

It's still completely retarded to not use a command spell in that situation. Just have Rin cover you for a few seconds against Rider then summon Saber.
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>>116943343

It turned out to be a good idea. Deal wit it
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>>116943206
I agree with you
Shirou understands the concept of personal dignity
he can't ignore something that he perceives as an injustice

the living and dying, winning and losing isn't important
all that matters is that he lives for what he believes in
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>>116943328
OP here. Is this show only going to focus on Saber, Shirou, Archer and Rin? Are they going to work together to fight against everybody else, until they discover Kirei/Archer like the first show? I noticed that Archer didn't get cut in half so I am assuming we will discover his true nature and relationship with Illya in that fight with Berserker.
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>>116943206
Wow anon that's fucking adorable.
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>>116943305
>Gil will be defeated by a retarded and PTSD ridden kid that get's his mana from fucking sluts.

Biggest asspull since "lol here is super magic sword for no reason out of nowhere that kills you 7 times and in no way kills you from making it, even tho you get fucked up from projecting 2 shitty swords in UBW" from Fate
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>>116943380
Do you really wanna be spoiled?
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People here got spoiled hard with Fate/Zero and the more mature setting, huh?

I won't lie, Fate/Stay Night isn't as great as I remember and Fate/Zero definitely is the superior work. With that said, I'm still liking the series a lot and it's kind of sad seeing people dropping the series when I'm liking it this much. Guess the high school setting it's taking its toll in the story-telling aspect... The setting's part of the charm for me, but I guess some people are fed up of that setting, especially since it is so prevalent in modern anime.

Eh, anyway. Episode 5 impressions: I loved the fight and liked that they are starting to drop hints towards future developments of the route.
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>>116943343
Common sense or even a childs level of logic does not make good drama.

Anyway, throwing yourself headfirst into situations stupidly and with no cause should have steep punishments that are long lasting.
When you do stuff like that, in a world where the worst he will ever get is a stab wound that will be healed in nanoseconds through maical plot then...it sort of loses any and all weight and just becomes a stupid occurrence.
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>>116943395
The Gil fight is pivotal to UBW. It's the entire culmination of Shirou's character. You need it or the route doesn't work.

That being said I think it's fine. Gil doesn't take /anyone/ seriously. He was screwing around with the teenage ginger playing with his dumb little reality marble until oh shit my arm fuck I'm losing.
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>>116943494
They should have Kirei survive until the very end and have Rin take him out while Saber deals with Assassin.
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>>116943182

Link?

I never got this bad end.
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>>116943515
http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20238/

It's a trap
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Has anyone counted how many times wormslut says "Sempai" in HF? I am willing to bet it's in the triple digits.
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>>116943514
That's not a bad idea. Kirei doesn't do a whole lot in UBW, and there's a lot of untapped potential there between him and Rin.

I mean he pretty much screwed her life entirely while also acting as a guardian to her over the years. There's a narrative arc there if I've ever heard one, and having her take him out after he killed her father would be neat.
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I really don't understand the complaints about Shirou being dumb or stupid.
He doesn't think he would be attacked at school, being full of people, but he is engrossed worrying about is friend who has gone missing that he is wandering around the school and before he knows it every one is gone.
Also, it's not like he is defenseless, he could technically summon Saber at any moment if he wanted to.

As for him running off into the woods fighting Rider. Shirou has a very strong sense of justice, he wants to save people. His friend mysteriously went missing the day before, now there is another girl collapsed, who would've died had Rin not come around, because of a servant and their master. Shirou isn't the kind of guy to just go home and give us another cooking episode, while these 'criminals' will likely attack more students at his school.
If they are still there he will fight them, even if it means his own death.

Rider is no Lancer, and she certainly isn't moving at the speed of light.
Not all servants are created equal, and servants can be killed by masters.
Just because Shirou isn't a crazy magic dude doesn't mean he can't fight. It just means the chance of him dying is super high.

Hell there are some fights where magic wouldn't really help at all. For example, Rin's magic can't hurt Saber, because her magic defense is too high. So how would she defend herself against a sword? Shirou on the other hand doesn't have much for offensive magic capabilities, but he is skilled at using a sword, and could probably defend himself better than Rin could in such a situation.
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>>116943594
It's still dumb though. I can't deny that.
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>>116943182
There are a lot of bad ends for doing sensible things. Like running away when you first meet Berserker, when the correct option leads to running away anyway. F/SN is a story you have to be trying to lose to win.
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>>116943432
Yeah, when he starts losing a lot of his plot armor in HF, I was thinking, "Sweet, finally!" He was actually sacrificing something of worth and then all of the sudden the route is over and the MC's have a happy ending.

HF normal end best end
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>>116943206
I 100% agree with you.
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people like him die very quickly in real life
source: army

he's fucking killing the show for me
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>>116943791

They wouldn't if they had magical healing bullshit and were anime MCs
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>>116943791
That's like, the entire fucking point. He's flung into a war that he's not capable of handling.
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>>116943666
>F/SN is a story you have to be trying to lose to win.

When you think about the message behind Fate, this might be intentional
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>>116943832
and how is that point good or entertaining?
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>>116943882
Because you're going to see him grow and become more capable as the plot unfolds.
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>>116943914
So like in a typical shounen? Cool, I was about to drop it.
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>>116942766
>>116943426

All this copypasta from neogaf is some kind of new trend?
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>>116943937
What do you want, man?

If you actually take the time you'll understand that Shirou is by far the most interesting character to come out of Type Moon. He doesn't start off as a brooding badass like Kerry, but he has far more depth than him.
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I can understand people being turned off by this adaption so far as. Most of the people here that are enjoying it so far have read the source material, which is a big benefit. We know why Shirou acts the way he does, we know what's going to happen, and we know what drives certain characters to do what they do. Someone who only watched Fate/Zero or is new to the Fate series in general would be confused. So far we have really no idea why Shirou is the way he is other than vague flashbacks to the great fire and his conversations with Kiritsugu. If I hadn't read the VN, I would be in the same boat as the others in not liking Shirou because at this point, we have zero reason to like him.
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>>116943206
I absolutely hated Shirou 100%, but your post brought it down to 90%. Thank you for the perspective.
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>>116943845
Alright, anon. I'll bite. What's the message behind Fate?
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>>116943978
neogaf?
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Is this the yellow man?
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>>116943395
What the fuck are you talking about?
Gil died because he succumbed to the onore element.
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>>116944007
That all women are secretely half lesbos?
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>>116944014
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=137925745&postcount=13065

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138118684&postcount=1302

http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=138143092&postcount=1326
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>>116943206
I always hated Shirou for how he's written to be a generic "socially oblivious, always awkward around girls, inexplicably competent and adored, pls insert yourself here otaku-losers" protagonist.
I agree that there was potential for a great character in his concept, but it was just too tainted for me.
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>>116944007

"For fuck's sake Shirou stop looking for an opportunity to die you dumb fuck, you're worth something too, consider maybe not jumping in front of every truck that comes down your road"
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>>116944080
>pls insert yourself here otaku-losers

Nigger are you for real? If you self insert as Shirou, you need help.
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>>116944067
Fuck I hate neogaf
the only place worse is seventhstyle

http://seventhstyle.com/2014/11/08/fatestay-night-ubw-gets-sexier/
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>>116944067
>>116943978
Honestly anon it's better then most of the garbage that plagues TM threads.

NeoGaf reposters, what keeps you motivated? Just what are your intentions specifically?
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>>116943594
If that the case then he would know that throwing himself in situations like that means death and a chance at making things worse.

The fact that he doesn't even TRY to become better at fighting or even understanding enough about that world to do what's needed to help others and not be a hinderance or another victim for someone else to help...

It's just ridiculous.
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>>116943989
So it's failing because it's a show made for the fans of the show and not new people?
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>>116944126
He trains with Saber.
And Archer teaches him about his magic. Kind of.
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>>116944104
I'm not talking about his brain damage and autism. That's the other part of his character.
I'm talking about how he's awkward yet capable and, unbeknownst to him, popular. He's surrounded by beautiful women who hunger for his dick.
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>>116944125
Fomenting hate and flooding the board, I suppose.
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>>116943989
I'm this fag >>116943998 and I've never read the source material, so I think you're spot on about the people coming straight from Fate/Zero. I watched FZ and was absolutely enthralled up til the last episode, all the character motivations felt so right. Then I watched the earlier anime for FSN and hated it so much. Even the movie didn't really do shit for me. I hate Shirou because he seems like such a Gary Stu self-insertion justice-minded piece of shit. Still, I've known for a while that if I actually played the VN, I'd probably appreciate him better. I just don't want to make the time for it yet
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>>116944154
No, It's failing because it's not what the F/Z fags were expecting. It was made for the fans of the VN.
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>>116944126
>The fact that he doesn't even TRY to become better at fighting

Nigger are you stupid or does the new show (I'm not watching it) not go over him training with Saber? He specifically asks her to train him so that he won't be a liability
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>>116944175
In the VN, how many characters openly were after him at the start of the story? Sakura maybe? It took getting to know the other girls for their interest to spark up. And time and time again Shirou is show getting his ass kicked in the novel; there are 40 bad ends in the game. There's nothing wrong with him becoming competent over the course of the narrative, unless you just want him to be a loser.
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>>116944236
Train should start from the next episode
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>>116944210
A lot of people seem to want instant character development and shit happening, when I think people forget it was like, what? Episode 4 of F/Z before any real action happened?
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>>116944244
At the start? Pretty much none of them were open about it.

Also, what part about his ideal do you not fucking get?
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>>116944125
>better then most of the garbage that plagues TM threads

I'd rather take the waifu shitposting, secondary bait, and powerlevels that we have here than all the "muh sexism" and "mature anime for mature people like myself" that makes up most of neogaf's anime discussions.
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>>116944310
I mean like actively wanting him. Shirou isn't some super stud. He had one girl who was seriously interested in him (Sakura), and it took the events of the other routes for Saber and Rin to get seriously into him.

Given all his mental problems and struggles he has to face, I really don't see what people would get out of self inserting as him.
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>>116944244
>>116944310
Really? I always thought it was pretty obvious that Tohsaka was already crushing on him because of her fetish for high jumping. Mitsuzuri was also making some moves on him (not that he noticed).
Plus he has a giant mansion, a rich onee-san who watches over him and a devoted imouto who cooks for him.

I mean yea, bonus point because he works pretty hard (arguably for all the wrong reasons) but imo you can't deny that his starting position is rather convenient shounen protagonist stuff.
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>>116944067
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=138143092&postcount=1326
and
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138118684&postcount=1302
aren't so bad.
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>>116944392

Hell he basically has to throw himself at Saber to get her to take any notice at all.
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>>116944395

>Mitsuzuri
>Moves on Shirou

I really did not notice this. Was I channeling Shirou or are you making shit up?
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>>116944392
>>116944395
It is said that Rin and Sakura had their eye on him for a while. Saber came in 3rd.

As for self-inserting, who wouldn't want an ideal that beautiful to come true?

And Unlimited Blade Works would be a fucking awesome power to have.
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Rider being a hot chick makes me sad. She looks so lame I miss the badass last war Rider.
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>>116944395
Rin had a passing interest in him, but she didn't get seriously into him until the war. Ayako never seemed to go past bro status for the most part.

I'll give you the mansion, but Taiga is just his guardian; he had no parents to take care of him past the age of like, what? 13?
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>>116944401
I prefer when people can write down their own opinion instead of reporting something they have read somewhere else. At least I can be more sure that it's really their opinion
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>>116944494
Nigger get the fuck out after you look up Rider in plain clothes.
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>There are people in this very thread that watched F/Z before playing/watching F/SN

>There are people in this very thread who are watching the new series as their first exposure to the franchise
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Shirou works himself to the bone daily; what's his typical day like? Get up, work out, make a huge breakfast, go to school, usually stay late, go to work, come home, make dinner, practice magecraft, and go to bed.

This dude is getting on average like, 5 hours of sleep a night.
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>>116944536

>Go to bed

More like pass out from pain
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>>116944531
Really. I'm not proud of having watched the DEEN Fate before Fate/zero.
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>>116944472
>>116944500
I thought it was heavily implied that she tried but was just bad at it. In the prologue she talks with Tohsaka about getting a boyfriend and everytime she talks to Shirou I get the feeling she's trying but can't get over her ego because he's better at archery or something? I'd take their really awkward date in F/HA as further evidence, if you want to count the fan disc.
Idk maybe I'm just the one channeling Shirou here...
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>>116944531
I hated it when people who only watched f/z talked like they were nasuverse masters.

F/z was really made for fans of the f/sn VN. How do I know this? Because the first 5 minutes of f/z blew my mind.
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>>116942766
she was baiting him out to use his seals and if he used one would disable and kill him. she wasnt going all in until his trump was neutralized or confirmed he would not all in, which although happened rhino suddenly became a decent shot at a distance.
read the vn.
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>>116944523
Just another copy pasta from neogaf.
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>>116944536
I believe he passes out in the shed more often than not. Jamming a metal rod into your spine does that.
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>>116944570
DEEN Fate? That doesn't exist.
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>>116944599
In HA everyone wants Shirou's dick. It's a fun light hearted fandisc. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
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>>116944599

I haven't played F/HA at all so I can't comment on that, but I never felt like any of her respect for Shirou was romantic at all. Like, I think if Shirou asked her out on a date she' say yes out of "What the hell, why not" because she respects him as a person and as an archer but I don't think she ever had him in mind.
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>>116944395
Rin was vaguely interested in him because of the high jump, but would never have cared much more if UBW didn't happen, especially because Sakura was there.

And Taiga wanted to fuck Kerry.
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>>116944655
I think thay went together to play videogames in f/ha...
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>>116944607
Nah bro, legit feelings.
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>>116944668
Though to be fair, she still wants his dick super bad in Prisma, even though there isn't a war.
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>>116944638
Except for Bazett and Caren

And Luvia, Sella, and Leysritt if we're counting minor characters
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>>116944531
Oh no everyone isn't me!
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>>116944706
That shit with Bazett and Lancer was fucking $$$$$$
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How many Zerofags actually watched it weekly instead of just binging? The first half of that show wasn't balls to the wall either.
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>>116943206
I agree with you, and I think it's nice they made it a plot point. The fucker's insane and they're not shy to say it.
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>>116944115
Is this the same fuck who confused Fate Lancer with Zero Lancer, and when someone called him out on it, he said it didn't matter because they're pretty much the same?
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>>116944395
Rin wasn't romantically interested in Shirou before starting to interact with him, she found him interesting as a specimen because of how strange he is. Mitsuzuri never expresses any interest.
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>>116944210
It's doing a pretty poor adapatation of the VN at that, it's all flas>>116944210
h and no substance, by this point in the story Shirou's character is established but they somehow managed to fuck that up.
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>>116944836
How isn't Shirou's character established?
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>>116944699
>Prisma
Come on man.
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>Who rushes off to fight an enemy Stand on their own with only an inanimate carbon rod?
Yeah, I'm sure that if he tried running away from the supernatural demon that has stuck a metal chain in his arm you would've called him a genious tactician.
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>>116944861
Just saying, we do have an example of her interested in Shirou despite him not involved in a war.
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>>116944836
Because Shirou's internal monologue was what really made the thing awesome. Without his internal monologue, he becomes "people die when they're killed" Shirou.
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>>116944865
He does try to escape in the VN after realizing he's up against a Servant if I'm remembering correctly.
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>>116944888
Everyone's personalities are caricatures of the originals in Prisma.
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>>116944919
You don't. Rin was occupied and Rider was trying to kill her, Shirous "protect the innocent" directive kicked in and he went fighting Rider to buy time. He realizes he's going to die though, he blocked the first couple of hits because sword instincts, even he realizes it's strange for a human to be able to block that shit.
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>>116944944
Is Rin much of a caricature? She seems roughly close. The only one who's crazy different is Ilya.
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>>116944901
He doesn't say that in UBW though.
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>>116944901
Ok, now you are just talking out of your ass. Which were the internal monologues that would have given us this "awesome" idea of Shirou and that they took away?
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>>116944856
Shirou is not a normal human being not simply because he feels guilt but he literally has no emotionsand doesn't care about whether he lives or dies. That's they purpose of the Archery cutscene which they still somehow managed to completely miss the point of.

Shirou is not "gppd" at Archer like they were implying he has completely master the ancient Japanese martial art of Archer and will always hit his target if he wants to. That's because he has achieved nothing , and become one with nature.

That's why Ayako was saying he never laughs. Which they managed to screw up. She knows why he never laughs because she had figured he had become one with nature (hell she even tells him).

He's a machine like human who only cares about saving lives. which is supposed to be established by now. Your not supposed to apply normal human thought processes to him because he's fundamentally crazy.
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>>116944199
The VN does explain him a lot better. The adaptations butchered the source material, on the half chance you haven't been told. There's a good reason why people say "Read the VN." Hell, his personality's a pretty big plot point in a couple of the routes and they try to explain it. Still a good chunk of asspulls, though. Him tracing Caliburn came the fuck out of nowhere for me when I read it. Yeah I know there was a bunch of foreshadowing, but fuck.
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>>116943395

Gil toys around to much, that is what got him killed in any route
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>>116944968
Rin never lusts for the D nearly as bad as in Prisma, even in the route were she does lust after it.
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>>116945035
*good
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>>116944996
This one, among others.
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>>116945035
Watch this to see how they completely missed the point of that scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfdUfxXOsAg
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>>116944901
You overrate his narration. There's a couple good monologue scenes, and none of those have happened yet.
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Taiga's dojo episode when?
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>>116944126

>The fact that he doesn't even TRY to become better at fighting

But he does, Saber and rin train the fuck out of him in most routes
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>>116945035
>An optional scene in the visual novel is essential to define his nature
The scene at the Dojo is just one of THOUSANDS dedicated to that.
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>>116945052
That's still not really too off the mark, she's not super different.

Even the recent developments with Miyu-Shirou manages to basically "complete" Shirou's character. Prisma literally shows off his two sides; the one from Ilya's universe shows his lighter regular life personality, while the Miyu version shows him in full hero mode.

I stand by that the only one who's super out of character is Ilya herself.
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>>116945098
Buy the BDs.
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>>116945087
Which still is not happened?
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>>116945035
he has achieved nothing because he is empty. And he is empty because of that fire.
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>>116945087

Is it technically still a monologue if Shirou talks with Archer?
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>>116945133
Whether it's happened yet or not is irrelevant. The point is that his inner monologue is gone.
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>>116944291
This shit right here. People always expecting shit to be explained in the first one or two episodes. Absolutely fucking retards, even more so since a good majority of things are already laid out you just have to have a brain and you can easily figure most of this shit out. There's also the retards that use subtitles and think that everything being said there is 100% accurate to what's actually being said. This doesn't apply to just FS/N, but all shows.
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>>116945197
If you are talking in general, in the first episode there was inner monologue.
If you are talking of a specific missing inner monologue that was SO important, can you please tell me which was?
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>>116945097
I really hope they include Rin's monologues

They beat you over the head with Archer's secret but it really adds to the two's dynamic
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>Finally a good adaptation
>It's not a good adaptation because they changed one scene I really really like and without that scene the entire story will never work
>Even though there are like two hundreds hinner monologues through the entirety of the story reinforcing the same, basic point, removing that single scene will ruin the adaptation completely and forever
>Fuck you ufotable
I have no words.
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>>116945174
Yes but it's not because of guilt, it's or any normal reponse. It's because he simply died and was reborn. Simply showing the fire is an extremely poor way of getting that point across. It's why that scene exists in the firstplace.
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>>116945225
I think a lot of people would happier if they just waited for the show to finish then binge.

"Why isn't Shirou a total badass in episode 5 of a 24 episode series?" It's like, what the fuck.
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>>116945102
And he practices his spells every single night, and works out every day. He's doing everything he can with the piece of shit cards Kiritsugu left him with.

It's not like he can just stroll to a bookstore and buy a how-to-magic guidebook since that shit is kept secret. He has no connections to the magus world, all he has is Kiritsugus less than halfassed tips and tricks.
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>>116945274
He was pretty badass this episode, in my opinion.
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>>116945260
It's a poor adaptation because the purpose of the story is not high production values of flashy fights. There's a reason why the climax of the route is an argument.

If you miss all of character explanation and development ithe story serves no purpose, it's literally the entire point. Not the random fights.
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>>116945266
>it's not because of guilt
Of course it's because of guilt, Shirou feels indebited to "those that were sacrificed for him to live" and has been desperately searched for a way to atone for his sins. He doesn't actively seek fun because he thinks he doesn't deserve it exactly because by him being alive he feels like he is perpetuating a sin he thought he has committed.
The point is that he knows this is wrong, he knows even thinking about it is pointless because those are the feelings of an idealist and a dreamer, but it's exactly because of that he has to go on.
they will do it, have a bit of faith. Instead of telling they are trying to show. It's a different approach but let's give them some slack, showing the fire is a good point to start and it's better than the endless monologues in the Deen versions that instead of adding depth ruined him even more because Deen didn't understand shit.
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>>116945236
It was only the first episode. That's the point, in the rest of the adaption it's not existent. Considering the climax and main purpose of the route is the internal monologues it's kind of important.
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>>116945349
No it's not, It's stated in the climax of the damn satory did you even pay attention?
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>>11694534
>those that were sacrificed for him to live
No. He was merely the one that survived.
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>>116944199
> I hate Shirou because he seems like such a Gary Stu self-insertion justice-minded piece of shit
Why do you hate him when you KNOW you are not getting the whole picture? You know you are getting inferior character represented in the Deen/SN and UBW movie. Just ignore those and give him a chance and read the VN or watch this adaptation. Don't just complain about here because you will only be called secondary for it.
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>>116945318
Yeah, this is the point where he starts to act cooler. He handled himself well against Rin, and took that hit to the arm like a champ.

I mean this OP is talking about how Shirou is suicidally insane, when that was like a fucking plot point in the very episode. Rin fighting with him was essentially her giving up and wanting to take him out of the game for his own safety due to his action. They cover this, but I don't know, that's not enough for some folks.
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>>116945382
*story
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>>116945382
Holy fucking shit
>He did it because he liked kiritsugu's smile and thought the ideal was sacred, beautiful and worth protecting
>Because of this, all of the other 900 thousands monologues are non important because shirou is lying to himself or missing the point
Shirou is a complex individual and his mentality is not easily summed in a word. He thinks a lot of shit through the novel and those are not my speculation, those things I wrote are written in the fucking novel. I know he is broken inside but don't you dare say he doesn't feel guilt about those that died in the fire and that he doesn't think he deserves to have fun (even though he IS capable of having it).
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>>116945496
I just noticed that Archer is missing his arm there.
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>>116945477
Are you sure the guilt you are referring to isn't the guilt he felt towards the orphans left behind to Kotomine's "care"?
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>>116945477
Yes that was the point. Your basically admitting to being an idiot and ignoring what was stated in the fucking novel. It was the climax of the novel it was what you were supposed to take away from the story.

You can choose to ignore what the author blatantly wrote as a purpose of the story but don't pretend as if it's the authors attention.

He felt guilt yes but it's not why he does what he fucking does.
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>>116945537
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If you ever want to argue about the merits of Shirou as a character, you can at least say one thing: People talk about him. 10 years later and people are still argue over his choices and his ideals and everything about him. Can you really say that about Kerry?
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>>116943206

Shirou lost his sense of self in the incident 10 years ago. The fear that "I'm going to die" is just raw information to him, without emotional meaning. Who is the "I" that is going to die? It doesn't matter. The thought of dying doesn't factor in his decision-making at all. More important is the thought that "I'm going to do something about this". Normal people whose survival instinct dictates all their behavior can't understand that. If there's 80% chance of dying and 20% chance of achieving something, average person will refrain from acting, because the odds are clearly against him. But to Shirou, the 80% means literally nothing. All he sees is the 20% chance of achieving something, so he will act on it.
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>>116945565
That's because Shiroy has what is essentially 3 novels worth of text explaining and exploring his character.

And that Kerry is fairly one dimensional in general, competent but one dimensional.
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>>116942766
>Who rushes off to fight an enemy Stand on their own with only an inanimate carbon rod?
How else is he supposed to draw Rider away from Rin who's too occupied with magic surgery to be able to fight?
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I'm an animeonlyfag straight from Zero and even I thought it was pretty obvious Emiya was trying to divert attention away from Tohsaka and the girl that was being healed, given what we've learned from his character. I mean he doesn't say it, but it was pretty clear to me. People love the phrase "show, don't tell" but seems like it doesn't work too well in practice, huh?
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>>116944067
>>116944125
Man, I actually kinda regret making the UBW thread on gaf though I suppose better I than some Zero-only.
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>>116943149
>pure virgin

Isn't that pretty oxymoron since to be a virgin you would have to be pure in the first place?
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>>116945620
True Eye of Mind to the max.
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>>116945537
>Your basically admitting to being an idiot and ignoring what was stated in the fucking novel.
So Nasu describes a complex individual he characterizes through thousands of lines but I am an idiot because I want to see the entire picture instead of summing his entire character, the whole of his human being, with a single phrase?
I wonder who's insulting the source material here, truly.

One day you guys and your elitarism through your sacred bible Nasu wrote will maybe realize why most of the guys here consider you almost my little pony shit as a community, it's impossible to talk about the story because everyone is acting like twelve years old, calling each other names because of single lines of text taken out of context.
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>>116945668
Are you a timetraveler from the middle ages?
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>>116945349

This
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>>116945668
You can be a slut virgin, like doing anal and oral and all that other good shit, i imagine.
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>>116945623
Even more than that, even Kiritsugu's characterization is explored in a way that still offers insight to Shirou's character. Their differences complement each other more often than not.
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>>116945702
Slut? Nah, prostitute.
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>>116945742
Slutty prostitute.
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>>116945682
Don't get mad just because people are interpreting the source material differently.
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>>116943989
>Someone who only watched Fate/Zero or is new to the Fate series in general would be confused. So far we have really no idea why Shirou is the way he is other than vague flashbacks to the great fire and his conversations with Kiritsugu.
At least Zero should improve perspective on Shirou later, considering that Shirou ended up going through the same problems as Kiritsugu, up to and including his attempt to appeal to a higher power to achieve his wish turning out to be just an opportunity to do the exact same "kill few to save many" on a much bigger scale.
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>>116945620

While obvious sense and the VN itself show this as a bad thing... I also see it as really admirable.
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