>mfw people are getting hyped for a sequel and the sequel is gonna be horrible
Same. Every Saturday morning I looked forward to the spoilers. Shit was just getting really good too.
Hell, I don't even care if there's a time skip either. I enjoy Ishida's artwork and the TG universe itself.
I really hope he dosn't stop here, this ending was like a giant fuck you, where shit happened all over the place and created more questions than answers.
Inb4 the announcement is something like "this was just an experiment, so i won't be concluding this".
A season 2 announcement is likely going to come from that. However, we don't know if that's the only thing.
So, keep expectations low and we'll see what happens when we get there.
Sorry, anon. It's all in good fun.
Manga might be over as well. The fuck, they got Yoshimura to recreate Owls. Only 1 guy can fight them off, can't obviously fight an army of Owls, Aogiri tree conquers the world.
The CCG is a worldwide organization. I doubt that Arima is the only OP investigator in Japan or the whole world.
We never left Tokyo after all so we don't know what's going on outside of that city.
But that's a stupid ass conclusion.
You can clearly see at the last pages that Aogiri tree's using Yoshimura to recreate Owls.
Shitty bait, still replied 2/10.
>Inb4 shitty scanned pic.
There's maybe another Owl who's even more powerful than Owl then.
>The CCG is a worldwide organization.
It's not, it's a Japanese government agency. there's a ghoul research association based in Germany, the GFG, but it is separate from the CCG. What the rest of the world is like is mostly unknown, but there is apparently some ghoul crime syndicate in China.
I meant Ghoul*
So what? A weak Owl can obviously take on Amon-tier investigators.
They suck dick.
Nigga, he was strong as fuck, I admit. But I think he's pretty much done. If there's a 2nd season it'll take over another character, probably Touka trying to get revenge for Kaneki, just like she did with Hanami's Kaa-san.
Or they create a "new" Kaneki with Amon, since it looks like Aogiri took him "hostage" for experimentation.
Best boy, prove me wrong. Protip:
you probably can
What? There was no other way than V14.
B-but he was a girl, /a/non-kun. Pic related.
All I meant was that they don't need to be Arima to stand a chance, especially since they fill up ranks with fodder anyway. It's also a reason for them to keep Kaneki around instead of just quinque farming him.
>hot and drunk woman is stripping down and basically begging you for dick
>turn her down, keep an eye on her so she doesn't do anything stupid, and do 780 push-ups before she wakes up
Has there ever been a character as pure as Amon before?
Hide knew that Arima was right around the corner.
He wouldn't be so stupid and send his best friend to certain death.
I know that this dude had a plan while doing this. It would be out of his character to act like a retard.
It was 7800, anon, Amon-san is far stronger than 700~ish.
Could also be because he no longer has eyes.
Or a literal reinforcement of what you said, but I don't think he's dead.
Let your brains chew on this for a while. The last chapter's title seems to be incomplete. The title is [研_], or [Ken _]. Basically, the right kanji is missing and replaced by a space.
One theory is that the title of the sequel's first chapter will be [_X], and then you get the full title as [研X].
The best place to start would probably be batoto's forums. There are some not awful tumblrs if you like or have a high tolerance for fujoshit. Reddit is usually a rehash of here, with very rare new content. Pixiv has some lovely, occasionally predictive art.
Those are my usual ones, but I have a lot of free time to waste.
It's not just Tsukiyama, but Rize is fine, too.
I'm a little busy right now, but I don't have many to dump.
It's so Kaneki's head lands in the valley. I always assume he's sitting down or she's standing on a box.
I'm guessing that it was celebrating the release of volume 5. Of course I cannot actually read it and an only guessing.
Ah, okay. Thanks for the further confirmation.
>Everybody waiting for manga sequel
>It's anime second season
Date Touka, wake up one day to see her nibbling on your toes.
This seems obligatory...
Real law enforcement and intelligence agencies have exchanges too, it's nothing particularly special.
Looking pretty flat, Touka.
Yeah, it'll definitely happen, but not anytime soon. You guys saw how Ishida had everything planed from the beginning for Part 1, so he's probably taking his time researching, planning and thinking about how Part 2 will unfold, he's a meticulous and methodical guy to a fault.
If you really like Tokyo Ghoul, let it rest for a while and let the author have some time for himself and work in peace.
Main character completed his life long goal of being a male accessory
And ur solid fact is.... LOL that happen when only read shonens. The true is NOBODY can confirm if he is dead or not. Oh and pls tell to Ishida what questions he can answer anon.
>At least I backed up my claims.
Except you didn't.
>it's outright shown and SAID
>The only thing that makes people NOT think he's dead is Touka saying "I have faith in him" in the last page
If you've been in previous threads you'd have known there was more to the speculation than just Touka. Lurk moar.
>SUPER SECRET hints that are confirming MC's survival
There are no super secret hints unless you're genuinely stupid enough to not know what cliffhangers are.
3/10, got me to reply.
>READ THE MANGA MORON
Read, and? Those are just implications, there is absolutely nothing conclusive about whether Kaneki's dead or alive.
>Hide's face in clouds
That's just one retarded autist. Nice cherrypicking.
>there aren't any cliffhangers
You aren't even trying to be subtle anymore are you?
>Gladly replying to see you cry.
Why do people say the manga is better than the anime?
I read up to Ch.60 (where the anime ended), and aside from the censorship, the anime was much better, especially the torture scene and his transformation in his head. Much more dramatic and impactful. Kaneki's VA wasn't half bad.
I do agree that the torture scene was done better in the anime but I think that people say that (and I am also among those) because the anime felt pretty rushed and barebones. Not only that but the production, while nothing bad, was nothing good either, just regular. Although the anime did have fucking Mamoru Miyano as Tsukiyama, which was fucking excellent.
If there's one thing the Anime pulled off great it was the voice acting in general. Also, Episode 1 was great as fuck too. I kinda like the Amon/Kaneki fight in the anime as well.
Something felt off with the Gourmet episodes though, like it made Ken look like a dumbass for just charging in there alone, along with the other missed details like his training with Touka and Yomo and shit like that.
They also only had his internal monologue thing in the very last episode too.
Yes, you are right about the voice acting and I did quite like the first episode as well. It pulled off some things really well but it skipped a lot of scenes and details. In overall, it wasn't a bad adaption by no means but it just felt rushed, although you'd only know that having read the manga.
Oh yeah, Hinami was a lot cuter in the manga than in the anime too.
I was too arouse about Rize to cry.
Well anon, I understand it too but we just need a confirmation of the sequel. If he says yes, he will release it next year or sth, I would still be happy to wait. I don't want this to be a big fuck you ending for ever.
anyone have the image with all the tarot card symbolism?
We don't really know anything about him. He was on the same level with Yomo last time but who knows how strong he is now. He can be the boss material, but not certainly last unless Ishida pulls a plot twist.. well... Ishida did anyway with the chapter 143.
The point is that he is unpredictable like he hid his clown identity perfectly from everyone since chapter 1 successfully so he can have another wild card all along.
Arima overusing his Kanekique will cause it to mutate and Kaneki will regenerate from his quinque in the form of a giant centipede.
Touka's so nice. I would exploit that.
Yeah, you know, that's something I'm wondering about. They can clearly taste sugar and other stuff, or coffee would be hideous. Meat can't be the only thing they can eat/digest.
I like how you think.
He annoys me a bit too. He's too confident. When raiding Aogiri he could have potentially got decked so many times, i'm surprised he didn't. I hope Eto brought him down a peg or two.
That's mean, anons.
Even though I would probably cheat on her with Rize.
Bullying Touka is a favoured pastime.
I believe, they make a point to not put anything in the coffee else a ghoul gets sick off of it. It has to be black. I'll have to search through the chapters to find where that is.
Can't tell if serious or...
One of the big things which the anime lacked was detailing character growth for Kaneki. During the manga, you saw much earlier his attempts to change to not "stand by and do nothing".
One example which stands out is the Ghoul Restaurant arc. In the manga, Kaneki didn't walk blindly into an obviously bad situation. He went in order to get information for Itori in exchange for information about Rize.
Furthermore, he didn't run away from Toro-chan, but fought back and even broke his arm utilizing his training with Touka (which was essentially ignored in the anime) and the knowledge acquired from reading his books.
There are plenty more examples and not just ones which apply to Kaneki. It's not shit, but the adaptation made many changes which people feel are for the worse.
yes, that's true.
You pointed out exact situation when they make Kaneki "typical" looser MC
Is there some fashion in Japan to make male main characters so whinny now? at least in anime.
>Doesn't hold up against a probability calculation
>But you can't tell until you've confirmed it!
I've never liked that thought experiment, if you poison a cat and leave it in a box it doesn't enter a state of being both dead and not dead. Was Shrödinger taking the piss, I wonder?
Glad I could be of some help.
If a ghoul eats someone with a fatal illness or infection(Lets say HIV) do they contract it?
I was right, the bullshit ending of both the anime and the manga did boost the manga sales. It went from 36-40 to 20 this morning, competing closely with other freshly released mangas.
36 9784088798875 東京喰種－トーキョーグール－ １３ 集英社 石田スイ 2014/8/20
29 9784088798875 東京喰種－トーキョーグール－ １３ 集英社 石田スイ 2014/8/20
20 9784088798875 東京喰種－トーキョーグール－ １３ 集英社 石田スイ 2014/8/20
Half of the volumes already surpassed Bleach vol 64 in terms of ranking, not sure about the tank sales though since we have to wait a bit more.
I'm not surprised. The anime already had a noticeable impact on sales due to increased awareness. The endings only helped to perpetuate the boosts by having everyone talking about them.
>This is clearly a business ruse.
When the anime and manga ended on the same day, my thoughts drifted towards that very idea.
Even if it turns out not to be a ruse, it's still been one hell of a sales boost which I'm sure Ishida and YJ both appreciate.
>honestly thought it was about Death Note
How rare are ghouls like Hinami?
>There are still people in denial about Kanekicase
Wow. I could kind of understand it when they just showed him getting stabbed the first time or the second time. But how can you still believe in him after all this? Just because Ishida drew a color page with Touka saying she believes in him doesn't mean he's alive. He just wants to see the fans suffer even more, he drew Touka to represent the last Hope of the fans and then crush it. I
In what way? Kagune from both parents?
No idea. It's never really touched upon so we can only speculate. Presumably all ghouls breed the way humans, which would imply all full ghouls have a pair of ghoul parents, but I'm not sure how that works with regards to adopting kagune from both.
That's only one aspect people base their suspicions on and I don't even think that's the strongest one.
However, there are strong arguments for either side and I'm inclined to wait for announcements.
Any good TG crossovers or ideas yet?
Lies and slander.
I don't think we can conclude that. All we know about the Commissioner's power level was that we was stronger that SS or SSS class ghouls, right? Arima is also stronger than SSS class ghouls. Also we have to remember that the SS and SSS rankings are relatively new, created because of the owl. We so far haven't seen any SSS besides Eto and Yoshimura. We also know that the commissioner has some sense for power levels, because he scouted Arima and Suzy into the force. Whether this is some extraordinary sense like a ghoul's sense of smell, or just the natural intuition of a very powerful human, we don't know yet.
Am I right on this? All this info comes from like two chapters but I forget which ones. But that's all the info we have, anything more is just speculation.
>"Can you fight with all you're got?"
>against the CCG's God of Death
I frankly think that Kaneki had more chance of surviving by trying to escape above with all the investigators, I mean, he defeated all the investigators that were attacking Irimi, a couple more to defeat/run away from wouldn't be too much of a problem. At least less of a problem than dealing with Arima.
Hide is worse than Judas.
He knew that if Kaneki could prove his worth to Arima, Arima wouldn't kill him. That's why he let Kaneki eat [hopefully just a little bit of] him, anon. Hide knew that Arima wouldn't just wipe out a strong ghoul like that without bringing him alive to farm for quinques like Arima. Kaneki was healed, and scratched Arima's face. Hide is love.
Maybe to the first part. It's all an open question, we don't have enough info to conclude. If Kaneki went upstairs Arima would've been up there much sooner. If Kaneki got lucky and escaped, it would've meant the probable demise of Eto and the manager. There was no reason for Kaneki to think Arima was there, Hide's words were the only warning that he wasn't escaping completely free. Once he saw Arima it was too late.
This is currently the main theory for Kaneki not dead. However we don't know for sure the parts about Hide knowing what Arima would do. That's the weakest part of the theory, I think. Hide was in the control system though, so he'd have a chance. Maybe in the beginning of part 2 we will get a flashback of Hide hearing Arima (or other CCG) saying something of that nature.
Of course Kaneki didn't know but Hide should have known. He was together with that guy who was monitoring all the squads. He isn't an idiot, so either he had a plan to save Kaneki or he is worse than Judas.
It's strong at first because the guy in Metamorphosis turns into a roach/his whole life is in the shitter, but I think Kaneki didn't have it as bad because his fight with Arima showed he still had his human side. Roachdude (already forgot his name, read this in HS), eventually lost all humanity and stayed roach. It's pretty interesting though how at first the monster is Kaneki's ghoul side and then it's the fact he's actually turning into a centipede via kakuja. If Kaneki really is dead though, it'd probably be as pathetic as in Metamorphosis
Second dude you replied to here, I really need to reread this but I'm pretty sure Marude knows that Hide is a lot smarter than he lets on, and probably kept him around for the deskwork because he could be like Alfred in Batman (some helper-type who is smart enough to give valid input/advice). Of course, we won't know unless we get a sequel, but I agree with Hide probably knowing a few CCG members and Arima/maybe what they talk about.
If anything, by changing his fate compared to that of Roachdude, he's broken out of the Metamorphosis mold. I, too, hope he isn't dead but I try to keep a middle-ground in regards to that subject.
Any idea how old Rize is? Her appearance makes me think she's in her mid-to-late 20's.
I think that she's about Kaneki's age.
There's no way that Rize is already a christmas cake.
Kaneki died but his soul went back in time to when he was the happiest, which was at the beginning of season 1. Tsukiyama who loves Kaneki but know Kaneki loves Rize goes back and becomes his father.
I just checked. Shit Kaneki's only 18, but even if she says so, there's no way Rize is only 18 too.
This does not look like an 18 year old, and her being Kaneki's ghoul mother also makes me feel like she should at least be a little older than him.
There's always the chance that she was lying to him, but there's no way to know that for sure.
It could simply be that her dressing nicely, as well as wearing make-up and glasses makes her look older. When we see her in the image here, >>114124675 , she looks younger when it, I believe, was only a short time before the manga started.
That's a pretty common thing in manga. The mangaka becomes more familiar with the general artstyle and hones his/her craft. Plus I'm sure that as a manga becomes popular, more resources are put into it by the publisher.
Fujoshi on tumblr and pixiv got you covered, so long as that white haired tender ghoul is Kaneki or Kaneki's briefcase.
Kaneki's whole character development and his relationship with everyone made the manga for me, to the point where that forced ending kinda pissed me off and I want him to come back.
Then again, since is all but confirmed Kaneki is dead and there is a lot of implications for that, I would somehow feel that it would be an asspull for him to come back, so I wouldn't mind if we got another MC.
I want to see more of Yoshimura when he was younger.
Would read avidly if sequel was a Touka slice of life in college trying to remain incognitus with a good bit of eating people thrown in.
I'll tutor her in biology if you know what I mean.
hhhhhnnnnnnnnggggodammit anon why?
Its not fair...
TG have so many good characters: Akira, Amon, Rize, Juzuo, Eto, Akira, Touka... Hide.
If the plot is good im in for sure.
PD: I dont want Arima as MC too OP
Looks like a B cup to me.
I think a sequel would be fine as long as Touka is alive and happy. Maybe a slice of life with her and Yoriko.
I love her so much and I don't know why.
No, and I like Inko.
How can she be happy with Kaneki. She's emotionally dependent on him.
>Any idea how old Rize is? Her appearance makes me think she's in her mid-to-late 20's.
Due to how much she was able to eat Shinohara thought she was in her early twenties or late teens.
Also, what the hell do they feed the ghouls that are locked up.
I think with was better.
Being emotionally dependent would wear down both her and him. It would be better for her to move past her brother/father/Kaneki leaving instead of entering a relationship rife with it and wallowing.
If they don't have a place like Anteiku, they have to risk corpses or cannibalism, or just accept killing people. Otherwise they probably go blood frenzy until they've eaten, like Kaneki in the beginning. There are so few alternatives that all basically boil down to fighting and killing, I always assumed that's why there are so few peaceful ghouls.
Because a ghoul becoming a kakuja isn't a guaranteed thing. Not to mention, I don't think they want to risk a ghoul being at full power and possibly becoming stronger or crazy.
How come there is no PETA for ghouls?
I think some human lead org. for ghouls will appear in the next manga.
I mean locking even peaceful ghouls up and making weapons out of them? C'mon.
Also, I found it funny that Ayato thought his dad was weak when he was probably one of the stronger ghouls in the manga.
I would imagine that the general consensus for ghouls isn't a positive one. Aside from the natural fear of a creature which consumes your own kind, many humans rarely see peaceful ghouls as they appear to be in the minority.
Imagine though, if they make an another facility stocked with RC gasses and other marvels of technology, I think it would be pretty easy to contain a kakuja ghouls. Also, even if they don't turn into a kakuja, scientists can clean up ghoul corpses from the quinque facility in a pretty efficient way. Win win if you ask me.
Tsukiyama nibbled on ghoul for whatever reason during the Aogiri Raid.
I'm actually surprised he doesn't consume ghoul meat to get stronger. Don't tell me he's too above that, he does a lot of shit that goes against his status as Gourmet.
Uta mentions cannibalization to Kaneki pretty early on, as if it was a common occurance. Seems like kakuja would be more common, and ccg would have more armors, if that were the case.
I think that's only natural that we would only see those who saw the fruits of their labor. Though you do see or hear of a few instances of it.
My statement was based on what I believe Yamori told Kaneki and from some discussions in the CCG. From what Yamori also described, cannibalism does carry a taboo even among ghouls with some not believing that idea that cannibalism works/do not want to risk it.
I always forget he's not been eating ghoul. It didn't make sense to me either, but I suppose, from his thinking during the Kanou raid, he thought he was strong enough. He's probably rethinking that right now.
Could also be an indication of Uta's proclivities. The Ghoul Restaurant guys were pretty sick and they balked at cannibalism. Then again, cannibalism was also mentioned when Nishio was attacked, if I remember correctly. I basically agree-- from what we've been told, cannibalism is common and kakuja is not, but it's not really been shown on-screen. Misinformation, maybe?
It's possible, but it seemed that Yoshimura took him in after he almost died at Arima's hands. While he could possibly have done so on his own, I don't know if Yoshimura would encourage it.
Let's also not forget that ghouls taste horrible to other ghouls. While some would be driven by the possibility of power or simply to survive (if it's the only food source), most ghouls likely would not choose to eat other ghouls if given the choice.
It seems odd to me that Tsukiyama goes on a spiel about survival of the fittest but doesn't really make any efforts to do so. Even though eating ghouls is not gourmet, the only thing he's interested in having right now is Kaneki, so it shouldn't matter.
Considering he was a kakuja himself, I'd say he wasn't exactly against it.
It felt like he was raising Yomo as his successor of sorts to go against V/CCG.
So I'm sure if he was eating Aogiri or V members that Yoshimura wouldn't exactly complain.
I don't think there is much chance she was lying to him, or atleast their age isn't that far apart. She's at least confirmed to be younger than Banjou.
It's just a matter of Rize looking more mature and Kaneki still looking like he's 16.
With how scientific TG tries to be we will probably get a biological explanation if the manga ever start back up.
But it will be brief, the story is about the characters and doesn't really concern itself with the origins of ghouls which actually seem to be going extinct to a degree.
We have to remember that Yoshimura in the past was a very different person than most know him to be. He was a killer of humans and ghouls alike and did his best to remain strong.
I just think he would advise against such extreme methods if possible. You know, in a very "I've been there, don't make the same mistakes I did" sort of way.
>Hey Little Ken, wanna Class SS?
Well again I feel it'd be more a necessity of Yomo eating people he's been forced to kill rather than killing at random to eat them.
In which case I don't think Yoshimura has a right to say anything.
I think there's more to Ayato than we know. The manager handles each person who's come into his care surprising well with individual teaching specifically towards that person.
I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that Ayato was asked by Yoshimura to go to Aogiri to protect Touka in that fashion or to keep tabs on Aogiri.
Also isn't it quite odd that Yoshimura/Yomo found dead bodies yet instantly knew that Aogiri was behind it?
Weren't those the same bodies Ayato left behind?
Maybe he left them to let Yoshimura know.
>There are people in this thread right now who think Touka isn't best girl.
Not letting a kill go to waste is a little bit different of a scenario. In talking about him being a kakuja, we're talking about him having consumed a large amount of ghouls, often with intention.
As we've seen with Kaneki, the process of becoming even a half-kakuja required months of eating only ghouls. What I was saying is that Yoshimura would discourage probably anyone from doing that (again, having done that in his past).
>Though he didn't seem to even try with Ayato
It seemed to me that Ayato didn't want any part of Yoshimura's ways. There's really only so much you can do when a person is adamant about not joining your cause.
>Kaneki half-killed Ayato for doing as the Manager asked
Lends a slightly different mood to that scene.
I'm not quite sold that he's under orders, but Yoshimura undoubtedly knew about Ayato and Touka's relationship. He likely had some idea what Ayato would do and that he wouldn't accept kindness. I think he actually said that at one point, didn't he?
Doing a bit of calculation.
Yomo started to do his cannibalization to grow stronger sometime after his sister was killed by Arima.
Arima was 22 when he appeared in the flashback but was 16 when he killed Yomo's sister.
That's a 6 year time period to feast.
Maybe I'm mistaking it for one of his other speeches. I seem to recall him saying something similar, but it wasn't about Ayato, I don't think. Never mind.
At least when he's convincing Touka to join Anteiku in 71, he seems aware that Ayato is a lost cause for some reason or another and doesn't ever focus on him at all.
>Uta said in the flashback that Yomo was eating ghouls.
I read that section differently. The line from the translation I read stated "He raised havoc at the eating locations with cannibalism".
It sounded to me that he simply caused trouble rather than participated. That's not to say he didn't, as his goal was to acquire the strength to kill Arima.
Was this his plan all along.
He wants the Kaneki inside.
It's the only plan which makes sense given that he was seemingly thrust into Arima's presence. Prove that you are a cut above the rest and maybe, just maybe, you'll make a strong enough impression.
I still find it funny that Owl couldn't even touch the guy.
It seems to me like Arima fights according to the opponents rhythm of sorts.
He seemed to be counting when he was fighting owl to know exactly when to counter.
Maybe Kaneki didn't have such a rhythm which threw him off.
Owl as in ETO doesn't seem all that strong, she just jumped in a bunch of tired CCGmen and went all "SURPRISE, MOTHERFUCKERS" l believe even 100% special classes and all those unsung heroes (Hirako, Suzuya) could take her out, she barely breathe the same air as Arima and she already started melting, then again, Not doing well against Arima is not a reliable measure of power for obvious reasons.
A battle of wits, perhaps? Kaneki's battle strength has always been his use of his intelligence and he displayed a use of said intelligence in his (uphill) battle with Arima.
I'd say that's probably what elicited the "You're good" response.
She's clearly stronger than everyone that isn't Arima. They haven't been able to damage her at all during any battle against her - evidence shows that both of your examples (Hirako and Suzuya) just get minced. It's just that Arima is so ridiculously high above literally everything else in the series that he can steamroll her himself.
There's no doubt that Arima sets the bar ridiculously high. Though, I think that Kaneki demonstrated that the key to beating Arima rests in making intelligent responses.
Everyone else who fights Arima seems to do so without planning or thinking and he always predicts that and effectively counters.
That's just due to him making a rash decision.
If he acted more reserved I think he could've held his own against Eto for a while at least.
He's been shown to be a very effective fighter. Hell he was pretty much able to 1v1 Kanekipede while everyone else with the exception of Amon and Arima have been completely destroyed.
I'm not sure what that has to do with explaining why the other investigators weren't able to put up much of a fight against Eto.
It's not like I'm guessing that Shinohara and the others were tired or hurt, because we saw it. I should also clarify that I'm not saying they would win even at 100%, just put up some fighting chance that didn't rely on Arima to, well, do anything.
Nazi and Soviet BOWs that went out of hand.
Imagine all the emotional baggage now.
yes, He said Murata is dropping One Punch Man to work on The Penis Man.