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I just watched the movie. Why did they do this to my Homu? I

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I just watched the movie.

Why did they do this to my Homu? I just wanted an innocent 14-year-old magical girl waifu, not this selfish monster.

Will they give me a refund on my Homura figure?
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>>113831408
She got better, not worse.
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You don't think evil is sexy?
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>>113831408
No
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>>113831610
Homura's not supposed to be sexy. She's supposed to be cute!
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How was she selfish?
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>>113831766
>dark and brooding antagonist voiced by Senjougahara Hitagi
>cute
You have cat to be kitten me right meow.
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>>113832019
>trapping all her other friends in a fake world so she can be with Madoka, who she's also trapping and deceiving
>becoming what she admits is evil incarnate
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>>113831408
Welcome to "Homura a shit!" club.
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>>113832164
QB trapped her though, she didnt do it on porpoise.
I wouldnt call that shellfish
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To be fair, anyone who had to put up with the shit she had to would snap too.
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>>113831408
>innocent 14-year-old
That didn't even exist in the series. She went through almost 100 time loops.
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Would you an evil Mami?
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>>113832561
No, because that's impossible Mami can only be good.
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How's the view?
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OP shh shhhhh its okay, just accept it. Homu can still be your special friend.
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>>113832561
Depends, does she come with devils food keki or just regular keki?
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>>113831408
You're making Homu sad.
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>>113833685
Homu is sad a lot of the time.
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Homura did nothing wrong.
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I liked Evil Homo
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>>113832164
>becoming what she admits is evil incarnate
You shouldn't be so easily influenced by the words of others, anon. Judge someone's actions by the actions.
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>>113833954
truer words have never been uttered
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It's just DEEP LOVE
Why cant you understand that OP?
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>>113831408
Shit happens. If we ever get another movie i'm sure the girls will make this right.
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If I were a boy in Homura's school I would poop in her shoe locker
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>>113834326
Remember she has the ability to stop time. Suddenly losing your pants while walking on the street would be terrible, don't you think?
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But Homura did nothing wrong.
1. She stopped the Kyubeys
2. She stopped the cycle because the Kyubeys are being forced to absorb all of the grief
3. Sayaka, Kyouko, Mami and Nagisa dies are alive again
4. Madoka no longer has to play God and can have a normal life again

Only person who suffers is Homu.
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>>113834943
don't make bald homu
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homu is a cute girl
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>Madoka audio commentary EP10
>Chiwa Saito: Homura's love isn't actually romantic though, is it? Kind of has a different feeling.
>If it was romantic love, it would be more like, "return her to me!" or something, right?
Sasuga Chiwa
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>>113835504
Well, she was completely right at the time. Homura didn't realize and actualize her true feelings until previous to and during AI YO, so who knows when exactly her feelings began to bud and bloom. There's no fine line.
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>>113831408
Welcome to the Rebellion club, anon. Let your feelings about the movie stew in your head for a bit and make you angry, then rewatch Rebellion and rethink it. Repeat as necessary until you reach step 5.
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>>113835504
Chiwa's lust for Kyouko affected her evaluation of her own character.

The same could be said of every seiyuu involved.
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>>113831408
>clearly a Homu hater baiting
Fuck off. Homu was, is and will always bebest girl.
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>>113836457
For me, it was
1. Confusion: Why would you do that?
2. Acceptance: Homura knows best.
3. Further Acceptance: Homura did nothing wrong.
4. Anger: Fuck Mami, fuck Kyubey, fuck everything
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>>113834037
What the hell they've been uttered. In fact, they been said so much, but Homu haters are constantly in denial so the parrot Madoka never loved Homura. It's fun watching them cry and enjoy their tears as that will never be true and Madoka will always love Homura.
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>>113836677
I also ruined that spoiler so please fuck my life.
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>>113836677
Homu is a hot girl though.
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>>113836793
That is Moemura not Homucifer.
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To be fair, I thougth it was a nice movie. Homura just suffered to the point of snapping at the object of her desires. But I feel like she wished to end the cycle without making herlsef a demon and betraying the wishes of Madoka. That actually hunts her. While she managed to bring down kyubey madoka will eventually remember and blame her although it wasn't her fault.
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>>113837041
Madoka would blame herself for failing to heal Homura's broken heart and scramble to save her in vain.
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>>113836828
>Homucifer
I won't judge you for your naming skills, but I'll remind you that Homucifer is what Moemura is destined to become.
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Is the movie canon?

It doesn't have to be canon, right?

Homura's just a normal magical girl, shooting her bow, being great friends with Kyouko and Mami, and keeping a vague feeling called "Madoka" in her heart. Some day she'll die a normal, magical-girl-related death, and will go to be with Madoka who she will remember as her very best friend. Homura would never do anything evil, right?
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>>113837239
Yes.

Ignore the airships and the faceless children dancing in the background. Don't worry about it. Just enjoy the moment.
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>>113837239
Nope, this all happened. The next movie is going to make some choice plot twists to solve your Akuma Homura problems but in the long run make you even more confused.
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>>113837239
But all magical girls still disappear instead of turning into witches. QB is still curious. And Homura still spilled the beans on the whole cycle thing. Do you just expect Kyubey to just ignore everything Homura said at the end of the series?
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>>113837362
>next movie
It's over. Homura won the world and lost Madoka.

HAPPY END
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>>113837362
>in the long run make you even more confused
As expected of the Evangelion of anime.
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>>113837362
Is there another movie planned?

I mean, the way the Homura betrayal seems tacked on indicates that, I guess. It seemed like they meant for the movie to end with Madoka approaching Homura, and then they decided they wanted to make more, and threw in devil Homura at the last minute.
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>>113837239
When a lesbian tells you she's a psycho evil lesbian, you're not supposed to take her word at face value.
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>>113837487
>Evangelion of anime
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>>113837239
The only evil thing Homura did was seal off Madoka's feelings for and relationship with her. Everything else is trivial compared to what she and others have done in the past. Remember these girls have murdered each other, Homura brought some back to life.
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>>113837212
>your naming skills
I got Homucifer from one of these Homura threads and Moemura from checking out Grief Syndrome.
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>>113837239
You can keep dreaming
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>>113838439
>not using the BD version
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>>113834073
What we see at the end isn't love. It's a stupid yandere forcing her fantasy. Madoka came to her and outright said hey, come be with me. We're together now. And Homura basically told her no, you're not good enough the way you are. I want you the way I remember meeting you. I wanna live out a fantasy of meeting you for the first time again instead of actually loving you.

Doesn't matter because it's not the real Homura, this shitty movie isn't canon.
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Reminder that Madoka never loved Homura in any way and will end the series with her killing Homura.
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>>113838571
I need more of these kinds of pictures.
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I actually believe Madoka will kill Homura in the sequel, but unlike the Homuhaters, I don't think Madoka will be happy doing that.
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>>113838571
Homura pushes herself away from Madoka so Madoka can have her happy life back and the world can be as happy as her dream world was.

>missing the point this hard
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>>113838660
So much tears will fill the board. Homu haters because Madoka was sad and those who don't hate because Madoka killed Homura. I hope they find a way.
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>>113838660
Oh yes she will, Homura is pure evil and may as well be a shapeless monster only capable of hurting others. Her greatest achievement will be Homura rotting in hell.
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>>113831766
>Homura's not supposed to be sexy. She's supposed to be cute!

She's both!
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>>113838660
>Wrathful God Aoi Yuuki
Yes please.
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How do people misunderstand Homura's character so much that they think she was totally different in Rebellion?
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>>113838810
Keep staying in denial. Madoka will ALWAYS love Homura.
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>>113838870
They're delusional and thought she was a good person or thought anyone in the series cared about her. She was always a real piece of shit and Madoka should have abandoned her long ago.
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>>113838878
You mean hate, because MadoHomu is purest delusion. It's canon they share nothing like love.
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>>113838662
Why wouldn't Madoka be happy being a goddess? She'd still be with Homura, at that point, and presumably all the others when they died. Not to mention Madoka outright tells Homura to stop taking her, clearly distressed.
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>>113837999
Tearing Madoka apart was a violation. It was wrong. There isn't really a good analogy for it in real life, but the way it was presented made it feel like rape. Homura is mainly bearing the guilt of that, and when Madoka becomes one again she'll primarily feel the pain of that.
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>people seriously wanted the most boring, predictable happy ending possible
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>>113838864
I so want to hear Aoi Yuuki doing the voice of a Madoka who has finally snapped.

>I'm not mad at you, Homura-chan.
>I'M FURIOUS!
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>>113838660
I'd really like a Sayaka/Kyouko/Mami focus if there were to be a sequel. Madoka is God, Homu is the devil, Sayaka can become Jesus
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>>113839326
>people are seriously happy with the tacked-on fanfiction-like ending
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>>113839280
Madoka will feel the pain of having her hopes and dreams crushed by the girl she hates most. Homura feels no guilt and enjoyed belittling Madoka, because how dare she not be her slave. Homura's days are numbered, Madoka will butcher her and damn her soulforever.
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>>113839326
Screw you! We already had the bittersweet ending and then the ambiguous ending. We need the happy ending!
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>>113839003
The way the entire series and 3 movies were proves otherwise. Keep staying delusional.
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>>113839274
She told Homura she missed her life, and Homura saw that everyone was happier than ever before in her dream world. So she made it real.

Rewatch the movie.
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>>113838660
Forced drama. Madoka won't fall for Homura's devil act.
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>>113838660
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>>113839392
Look at EoE.
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>>113839417
We'll get a happy ending when Homura is dead and forgotten.
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>>113839326
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>>113838660
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>>113839485
So never.
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>>113839439
Or just watch this whole scene
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>>113839499
W-what's going to happen?
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>>113839507
Delusional. Madoka and the others will tell her how much they hate her and mock her before Madoka finishes the job like she should have long ago.
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>>113839602
>all this delusion

Maoka loves Homura. If there's going to be deaths then saness will follow. If Madoka killed Homura she will grieve.
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>>113839891
Madoka and Homura will become one. Ultimate happy end.
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>>113839451
EoE gets a pass for...

I don't know. Looking pretty. Fuck it. I admit I don't really get why people like it so much.
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>>113839891
*Madoka
*sadness
I'm getting sleepy reading the wails of Homura haters.
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>>113839549
That scene was missleading as hell. Until I rewatched the movie for the third time I thought that Madoka recalled her memory somewhat and told Homura that no matter what it was, she would not leave her, leading Homura to thinking that she was being honest and that her wish was more a prison than a heaven. But I'm not that sure anymore, as this was a Madoka that never was a meguka, and thus may see things from a simpler point of view, not the POV of a PSTD battle hardened mahou shoujo.
Also, based shaft and its flower fields. Got dizzy in the theather tho.
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>>113839943
You mean they're gonna have kids?
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>>113840212
what else anon?
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>>113839490
Well, that's what she got.
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if you look at the OP, it's actually homura who's making the greenery

look at the bracelet, the only other time someone's wearing a bracelet in that OP is homura when she's spinning in the white dress
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>>113838660
>Homu dead, Mado grief
Too forced and too simple general tragedy for an ending, Gen won't guide us to such clean and clear fest. I expect a real nasty aftertasted ending. Even nastier than Saya no uta or Kikokugai
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If we'd gotten the dull happy ending you people wanted there'd be nothing more to say about Madoka. These threads would not exist.
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>>113840200
Homura knows that Madoka can make the ultimate sacrifice, what Homura thinks after the conversation is that Madoka wouldn't have wanted to make that sacrifice, wouldn't be happy leaving everyone behind.

Homura knows that she was able and willing, but all she wants is Madoka's happiness.
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>>113840212
That would be nice, but how would they get pregnant?
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>>113840388
Magic
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>>113840358
Not only that. Our lord Urobuchi will kill himself before giving us either a happy ending or proper closure
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>>113840388
>universe was rewritten couple of times
>all kinds of strange and powerful magic and sci fi tech was shown
>anon worries about lack of dick
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>>113840431
Point taken.
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>>113839439
An incomplete Madoka living in Homura's labyrinth said that, it carries about as much weight as Mami saying she wouldn't have been strong enough to carry on being a magical girl if she were alone. When a fully realised Godoka chats with Homura in ep 12 she assures her that she's not alone nor cut off from everyone and that one day day they will get to meet again. Homura's actions at the end of Rebellion are born from her misunderstanding what becoming a Goddess really means for Madoka and selfishly not wanting to move beyond life as a 14 year old with her besty in highschool.
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>>113840344
We all already know Urobuchi steals ideas from Kamen Rider.
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>>113840557
Tho, I'd wonder if Madoka is really happy as a goddess. Given that as >>113840379 said, she was willing and able to become one, we don't get to know what she would choose if she weren't binded by circumstances (the exact purpose of Walpurgis was to rush both Homura and Madoka's decisions). I bet she would have choosed to remain a normal 14 girl than a god. Homura did exactly that because how much she cares for her
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>>113840388
With love.
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Everything is fine
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>>113840749
L-love! But they're so young.
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>>113840805
Doesn't look bad. At least it's a picture and not the real Homura.
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>>113840805
Everything is fine.
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Everything ended well. Sayaka gets a second chance at life. Mami and Kyouko aren't alone anymore. Homura finally achieved the victory she spent years of her life fighting for, and Madoka gets to have her cake and eat it too. All of their horrible memories have been wiped away. Ignorance truly is bliss. Witches don't exist, the incubators have been crushed. This is a happy ending.

This is a happy ending.

This is a happy ending.

This is a happy ending.
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Why is Miki Sayaka so amazing?
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>>113841301
This is a happy ending.

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>>113840721
It's hard to know if Madoka would choose to be a Goddess in less dire circumstances but Homura's not even giving her the choice, she's just assuming she knows what will make Madoka happiest. It may come from an earnest desire to see Madoka happy but Homura's still acting without fully understanding Madoka's true feelings.
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>>113841385
Because she realized her true love was a girl.
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>>113841460
People like you are the reason why there are wars in the Middle East.
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>>113831408
no
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>>113841453
It's as if the movie is drawing parallels.
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>>113841389
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>>113841498
Those are wars over oil, not love.
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>>113841453
Madoka only became a goddess because she was the only one that could do it. What's so hard to understand?
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>>113841570
No, it's because yuri a shit.
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>>113841546
It's hard to know if Homura would choose to be a Devil in less dire circumstances but Madoka's not even giving her the choice, she's just assuming she knows what will make up for their failure to stop Walpurgis. It may come from an earnest desire to save Mitakihara but Madoka's still acting without fully understanding Homura's true feelings.
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>>113841736
What are you, gay?
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>>113841568
Why aren't you happy Anon? Everyone else is. So it's a happy ending!
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>>113841453
She probably would, because Madoka's defining characteristic is selflessness. She's ready to take the plunge to save a cat, or in the show's timeline, for absolutely nothing. All she wants is to help, and that's a desire that becomes refined into the wish that changes the universe.

But Homura's defining characteristic is determination in not letting Madoka sacrifice herself. If she's going to be selfish about someone else's happiness (?), so be it.
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>>113841736
Kevin go to be stupid somewhere else.
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>>113841736
But yuri is what gave your waifu true happiness. How can you call it bad?
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>>113841857
Okay. ;_;
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>>113841818
Yes, happy! Now you get it.
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>>113841789
>Madoka's still acting without fully understanding Homura's true feelings
Not true. Madoka's a goddess, she knows all
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>>113842278
Didn't see that thing at the end of the movie coming
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>>113841836
This explains Homura's actions but doesn't make them right
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Fuck off my /a/ madokashits
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>>113842352
Who determines what's right? Homura made everyone happy in the end.
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Sayaka a best

Homura a shit
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>>113842528
Holy fuck my autocorrect turned Homu into Homura

Technology sure is great
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Oh boy. It's out.

http://exhentai.org/g/739416/2afdb3c5a7/
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>>113842472
Why you do something is equally as important as what you.

Results are not the only metric, intent is important too
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>>113842690
Homura intended to make everyone miserable then?
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>>113842690
That only tips the moral scale in Homura's favor, because while the results are ambiguous, her intent is not. She just wants a happy world for a safe Madoka.
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Will madoka age while her powers are repressed by homu?
will homu reset everything again if she dies of old age?
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Even if you don't like the end of the movie (because you're a Sayakafag or a gay), the OST is amazing.

Can we appreciate just how much Yuki Kajiura brought to the film? Because she did some incredible work, and it wouldn't have been half as memorable without the accordions.
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Homura made an ideal world for everyone to live in. She's a hero.
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>>113842961
I like homu.
Homu only smiles for who she wants to.
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>>113842961
>She's an hero.
Fixed.
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>>113834943
Suffering Homu will make Madoka suffer when she realizes.
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>>113831408
Remember how a select group of retards were calling this The Pandering Story despite the fact that it pissed pretty much everybody off?
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>>113843064
Suffering Madoka is what drove Homu to it from the start. Their relationship is completely broken. All they can do is hurt one another.
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>>113843120
But that's not fair
Neither of them have bad intentions.
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>>113843247
This is true suffering
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>>113842623
It was pretty good.
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>>113839003
>i am so edgy I watch a show about teenage girls suffering
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>>113843274
Didn't urobuchi got platinum mad by those who criticized his writing over the internet?
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>>113831408
> thinking Homu changed
so in other words you only cared for her outside appearance and never even saw what she's like. You are therefore banned from using the term "waifu"
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>>113843506
anon, please tell me you can separate satirical writing from real news.
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>>113843573
Or he's a savvy Homufag starting a thread in a creative way because the waifu threads of the past are dead. I feel like many of the "so I just watched Rebellion" threads fall under this category.
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best
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>>113843913
Her devil form barely got screen time, I'm mad.
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>>113844366
don't worry, there's lots of fanart to compensate
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>>113831408
You should do what gaijin do
UROBUCHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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I just spent the last month trying to convince a friend of mine to watch it but he's scared the movie will change how he perceives the rest of the series. Why.
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homu did nothing wrong
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>>113831408
>used to get mad as fucking when some retard calls her selfish
>had the same argument with retards since november
>dont give a shit anymore
feels good
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>>113838660
That's basically the same stance as the Homuhaters though. They just want to be edgy and have Madoka kill things.
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>>113846960
as a caucasian, I'm embarrassed.
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>>113838660
You're a double retard then. You get one retard point for thinking Madoka would kill Homura. You get a second for thinking that there will be a sequel.
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>>113844366
Madokami has very littly too.
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>>113847215
Actually, Homuhaters' posts are pretty much fun to watch since it's hilariously radical for just a mere single anime character. I bet they are self-inserting or playing some kind of role.
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>Homura spends an entire movie chasing after Madoka.
>Homura fails to realize true love has been in front of her all along.
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>>113847361
It's actually just one guy. His gimmick is that he's comically militant in his hatred for Homura. But it seems like the joke goes over some heads,
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>>113847396
I must surprise if that's true because he appears almost every single Madoka thread on /a/
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>>113847480
Maybe it is more than one anon. But the posting style is so distinctive that I tend to think it's just one anon.
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>>113847525
It is one anon.
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>>113847525
I think it's like the laughing man: a bunch of copycats with no original
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>>113846960
i like how the japanese don't see/ ignore the Urubutchers patterns
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>>113847361
I think Homura is their hate waifu.
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>>113847457
>>113847575
Creepy affectionate Devil Homu is best Homu.
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>>113846960
I want to do that.
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Why is she so evil?
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>>113847986
The only good Homura is a dead Homura, one abandoned by Madoka and suffering to the point of mindbreak in hell.
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>>113847379
>>113847575
It's funny how this guy is shitposting on both /u/ and /a/ at the same time.
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Homura literally did nothing wrong
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>>113847379
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>>113831497
This is correct
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>>113831408
>movie takes one of the greatest girls in anime ever given to us in the original series and turns her into generic yandere shit

Fuck you Gen Urobuchi. Fuck. You.
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>>113849694
She was always a piece of shit, you just didn't realize it.
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>>113849728
I'm not even going to bother. I'll just link you back to the last thread you made an utter retard out of yourself.
>>113801266
Chain start at
>>113811036
Come back once you have a decent rebuttal.
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Why did Homura not explain the whole timeline to madoka and the other girls in the original series? Everything could had been prevented
Why did Homura become a devil?
Does Homura hate Sayaka after Rebellion?
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>>113849860
>Why did Homura not explain the whole timeline to madoka and the other girls in the original series? Everything could had been prevented
>implying she didn't try
>implying any of the girls listened and didn't think she was batshit crazy

>Why did Homura become a devil?
Because need to create a new conflict so the series could be dragged out for more dosh
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>>113849860
>Why did Homura become a devil?
The same reason she does everything, to save meduka

>Does Homura hate Sayaka after Rebellion?
I didn't get that impression? She's just fucking with Sayaka because it's fun.
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>>113850113
>She's just fucking with Sayaka because it's fun.
More like she's fucking with Sayaka because at that time Homura is trying to give everyone what they want.

Sayaka wants to be with Kyouko and a hero justice. So Homura was giving her someone to fight.
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>>113850215
Does that mean she's going to arrange progressively more difficult miniboss battles with the Clara Dolls in contrived arenas?
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>>113850255
Maybe, nobody know.
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>>113850215
>More like she's fucking with Sayaka because at that time Homura is trying to give everyone what they want.
Which is just fucking stupid.

Her motivation for wanting to figure out the trap she was in was because it was a fake contrived world in which everyone gets what they want with fake memories and live in fake happiness under influence of something evil.

She breaks out and then creates a fake contrived world in which everyone gets what they want with fake memories and live in fake happiness under influence of something evil.

The ending is absolute dogshit.
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>>113850452
Is it really that hard to fathom the difference? She doesn't like being forced into a fake world when she doesn't know why. And it turned out her instinct was right, the whole thing was a setup to try to capture Madoka. The new world, on the other hand, is set up specifically to shelter Madoka. That's really all she cares about. See: literally her entire character.
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>>113850502
Except what she does is 101% completely against anything Madoka would ever want and even her own brainwashed oblivious self states this to Homura at the end.
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>>113850535
>what she does is 101% completely against anything Madoka would ever want
Yes, and?
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>>113850548
And it goes completely against her character of dedicating her whole self to Madoka.
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>>113850570
You're a moron. Her character is dedicated to PROTECTING Madoka - even against Madoka's will, if that's what it takes. This is exactly what happens again and again in the original series. Madoka wants to sacrifice herself, Homura stops her.
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>>113850622
>This is exactly what happens again and again in the original series.
Being protected from Cabbit was her own wish, not Homura's.
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>>113850653
What?
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>>113850215
>So Homura was giving her someone to fight.
You're giving Hameru way too much credit. It wasn't her intention for Sayaka and Nagisa to be outside of the Law of Cycles when she overturned everything. It most likely wasn't her intention for her to retain some of her memories. And Sayaka has nothing to do with Homura being creepy. Which seems to be just what she does now. Whether there are people to see or not.
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>>113850653
Episode 10.
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>>113850675
meant for
>>113850664
Not to mention after Madoka becomes a god there's absolutely nothing to protect her from anyway. All the magical girls who die are picked up into her heaven to live with her.
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>>113850673
>You're giving Hameru way too much credit. It wasn't her intention for Sayaka and Nagisa to be outside of the Law of Cycles when she overturned everything.
I know she didn't bring them back on purpose. But at that point she already knew they were there and was just running with it.

And she wasn't just being creepy around Sayaka, she was acting evil.
e.g. blowing up the universe
Something she clearly does not plan to do.
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>>113850675
>>113850723
Homura's wish was to protect Madoka. And she made that wish, you will note, before Madoka asked Homura to save her in timeline 3. Madoka never asked to be brought back to life from fighting Walpurgis Night; in fact, she said she had no regrets. It was Homura's decision to undo Madoka's sacrifice, whether or not Madoka wants her to, and that's what she's been doing ever since.

>Not to mention after Madoka becomes a god there's absolutely nothing to protect her from anyway.
Homura clearly disagrees. Watch the damn movie again.
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>>113850792
>Homura clearly disagrees
Homura doesn't have a proper motivation, or even a character. She just turns into pure evil generic yandere stereotype.
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>>113850928
Oh, well, if you say so then it must be true. And here I thought there was a running theme going here. Turns out I was wrong.
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>>113850928
>pure evil generic yandere stereotype.
I'm not sure if you're using any of those words correctly. Yandere are obviously not pure evil, and Homura is hardly a stereotypical one.
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>>113848545
But she didn't do any evil deed
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>>113850952
There is no longer anything to protect her from. Homura was the only missing link that endangered her in the movie and that was going to be solved after being picked up into Madoka heaven and having infinite lesbian space sex.
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>>113850993
>There is no longer anything to protect her from
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>>113850743
I agree with you that Homura is trying hard to act evil, but I don't know about your idea that she's doing it for Sayaka's sake. Especially considering the fact that Sayaka's losing most of the memories that are driving her to oppose Homura in the first place.
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>>113850952
The running theme is that Homura is obsessed with saving a girl who doesn't care about her to make herself feel good. She let herself become evil itself in the process because she rejected every helping hand she was ever offered. The only end for her is to be killed by Madoka while full of regrets for spitting on everyone's kindness.
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>>113851034
She's doing it for many reasons.
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>>113851040
>>113849761
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>>113851034
Sayaka will always remember that she is the devil though.
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>>113851019
In reference to her going somewhere she would never be able to see her friends again.
And guess what, she fucking didn't. She was coming to take Homura with her at the end.
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>>113851213
Homura doesn't get that.
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>>113851213
Homura knows and doesn't care, she wants to protect Madoka forever by brainwashing her and keeping her caged forever. She doesn't give a shit about what Madoka wants or what would make her happy, it's all about Homura.
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>>113851284
What the fuck did she think was happening when this fucking giant glowing madoka was coming straight at her dumbass face telling her "Bitch you coming with me".
>>113851298
Which is different from her character of the main series. That's the point. That Homura was god tier. End of Rebellion Homura is a bitch.
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Madoka series
>Alright character, not my favourite but likable
10 minutes before Rebellion ending
>Holy shit, this is such a great ending!
>Rebellion ending
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>>113851334
It isn't. Homura was always doing what she did for herself. She never had empathy or friendships and Rebellion clearly showed how rotten she was at her core. She only ever cared about her wish and didn't care who she hurt to get what she wanted.
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>>113851404
fuck off
>>113849761
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>>113851434
It's either that or the other anon is right, Homura's character was changed completely in Rebellion.
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>>113851529
>Homura's character was changed completely in Rebellion.
Not really.
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>>113851529
Not completely. Her motivator is still the same. It's just that she went from nobly giving herself entirely and suffering for the one she loved to demonic yandere embodiment of evil.
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>>113833077
Mami is worst girl
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>>113851588
>nobly
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>>113851614
Nothing more noble than love, faggot.
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>>113831408
Love is selfish, OP
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>>113851634
Okay then.
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Gott is so fucking tot right now
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>>113851587
Yes. Rebellion showed how selfish she really was. In the series there was a greater evil out there and a cruel fate for everyone. Madoka fixed all of that, and Homura couldn't let go until she ruined everything. She didn't care doing it.

>>113851588
Her suffering was her own fault for being loveless and selfish. She was never noble, she did everything she could to control Madoka for her own desires. You're just distracted that the alternative was death. Homura does the same thing in Rebellion but now there is no greater evil, showing that it was never about saving Madoka but about Homura's own selfish desires to keep her to herself and grant her wish.
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>>113851803
see
>>113849761
I'm still waiting for those arguments based on something else other than your hateboner for Homura.
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>>113851404
>Homura was always doing what she did for herself
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>>113851823
Anyone who watches the series and doesn't get fooled by episode 10 will see Homura for the rotten piece of shit she is. Rebellion confirmed all of it. You're simply delusional to think Madoka loved or ever cared for Homura in any way.
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>>113851930
Yes, she wants to see Madoka run around with her family all happy and brainwashed. That means Homura finally won, and she feels good about it. If the only way to keep Madoka was to break all her bones and chain her up, she would. Homura's wish > anything else.
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>>113851961
>You're simply delusional to think Madoka loved or ever cared for Homura in any way.
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>>113852049
>my projections based on nothing but my hateboner for Homura
OK.
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>>113839280
>Rape
There's really no word for it. It's the kind of loss and betrayal the hosts of Heaven would have felt at the departure of Lucifer. It's not just a sin against Madokami, though, it's a sin against her beautiful world. The sequence where we see Homurakuma's corruption taking over Madoka's glittering nebulae makes me want to puke.
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>>113852094
Again, that was nothing but consolation. Madoka doesn't consider Homura a real friend like Sayaka or Hitomi but would never break her heart by just letting her go without thanks for helping her save everyone. She has no reason to consider her a friend, especially knowing she's a fucked up individual. It's a shame she was wrong to hope for her, but it'll get better when she kills Homura.

Oh, and that screencap basically confirms Madoka will never love her.
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>>113852365
>S-She was lying!
And it goes full circle.
>>113813585
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>>113834910
She would have to catch me in the act. She wouldn't be watching her shoe locker 24/7.
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>>113841789
Homura being Walpurgis would have been such an excellent twist.
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>>113842732
What about Homura's family? Are they safe? Are they happy? With Homura's godly powers does she ever try to save them? When she reconstructs the universe does she try to be with them? No, she tries to be with the girl who showed her a little kindness once. That's what infatuation is. There's nothing noble about Homura breaking everything for that.
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>>113840721
>I bet she would have choosed to remain a normal 14 girl than a god.
Did you miss the whole thing at the start where she's going on about wanting to be a magical girl because she feels useless and sees no point to her life?
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>>113852309
The only way to fix things is for Madoka to crush what remains of Homura's soul by telling her she never cared for her before damning her to hell and forgetting all about Homura Akemi.

>>113852474
Homura hates everyone and everything, especially those that she felt wronged her like Sayaka. She probably hates her parents too if they're still alive. I can see why they would disown her.
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>>113852820
>dat hateboner

I rarely see such irrational bullshit. Like I do see people hate on characters for shits and giggles but this seems like genuine psychotic shit. The fuck is wrong with you man?
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>>113852909
You can't appreciate Madoka or any of the characters in it without being disgusted by and hating Homura.
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>>113852909
Homura is the personification of evil and selfishness. It's not irrational - Homura rejected goodness and chose universal corruption all for her own desire.
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>>113853065
>Homura is the personification of evil and selfishness. It's not irrational - Homura rejected goodness and chose universal corruption all for her own desire.

Did you just read and misinterpret some Wiki abstract of the movie?
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>>113853027
>>113853065
Homura hate fetishists really are one of the most fucked up camps I've come across. It makes people who want to suck dick but think that's totally not gay because it's "feminine" and those that want to fuck squids look like the most normal people on earth.
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>>113851213
Homura doesn't think that being dead in heaven is as good as being alive. Madoka is still separated from her family and non-meguca friends, and she can't do anything a normal girl can do. It is a fact that Madoka loved her daily life, and if you think what she did in episode 12 wasn't a sacrifice you're just trying to devalue the whole thing. The point is that for Madoka, it was a sacrifice worth making, while Homura disagrees. And you don't have to agree with Homura, but don't spout some bullshit about how her motivation is totally different from what it was in the series, because from her point of view, it's the same thing. She's still protecting Madoka.
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Why are you mad about evil Homura so much? I like when people call her evil.
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>>113853403
What does being "dead" and "alive" mean?
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>>113853460
Being alive is being able to exist in the mortal world. Being dead is not being able to do that.
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>>113853221
I love (non-rebellion) Homura and want to fuck squids.
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>>113853196
My apologies, apparently we are failing to communicate. Let me restate my position: Homura's motivations grow from a childish loyalty to Madoka to an intense grief as she is unable to save her even through miracles. That grief transitions to a desire to do absolutely anything to allow Madoka's happiness. She achieves that goal at the end of the series.

Now remember that Madoka's desire is to help other people. She has no problems with her family, no problems in love, and she wants to help other people be as happy is she is. This is a classical definition of "goodness:" altruism or charity.

Homura doesn't care about any of that. She cares about Madoka. Mami being dead becomes merely an impediment to saving Madoka. She doesn't reset the world to save anyone but Madoka. She is fine with the idea of Madoka losing all her friends - even dying herself for Madoka's sake. This is the beginning of altruism but it isn't altruism. It's selfish at this point but it's the road to righteousness.
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>>113853538
>Being alive is being able to exist in the mortal world
How is that death when you still exist and have consciousness, and are able to have an effect on reality?
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>>113853596
I don't give a fuck about your semantics. Call it what you want, being able to live a life on Earth is what's important here.
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>>113853629
>being able to live a life on Earth is what's important here.
Why? Please explain because your retardation confuses me. After all you were fucking stupid enough to imply that if you float out into deep space while aboard a spaceship you are "dead".
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>>113847855
The way I see it is that they are tsundere for Homura.
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>>113853667
>Why?
Because that's what Homura wants for Madoka. As in, that's her motivation. Also known as the actual point if this argument.
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>>113853715
How does that define "death"?
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>>113853735
I don't give a fuck. I'm pretty sure I already said this.
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>>113831408
I think she left pretty clear that the only waifu she wants is Madoka anyway
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>>113853575
In Rebellion Homura is confronted with her deepest desires. She has fought the Wraiths until she has been overcome with grief. In her labyrinth she finds that what she wants is for all the megucas to be happy together. This isn't exactly what she wanted in the series, she didn't care about the other witches. She is confronted with reality by Kyubey, who doesn't want to spend all this energy merely supporting a few teenage girls' personal heaven. Kyubey wants to see a witch, so they tell Homura the truth.

When the labyrinth is broken and the Law of the Cycle allowed access to Homura, Homura has a chance to accept the will of her friend, who wants happiness for everyone at what Homura sees as her own expense. Godoka isn't miserable, she's doing what she always wanted. Homura can't accept that. She refuses to see the benefit of living for others at the same time as she lives for one other person.

Homura could accept Madoka's wishes and let her be happy doing what she wants. This would be unselfish. She could refuse Madoka's wishes and put her in a world where she doesn't remember anything and doesn't get to help anyone, but where she's with Homura all the time. This is selfish. She chooses selfishness, and that's a large part of what most major belief systems define as "evil."

Does that make more sense?
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>>113853858
>Kyubey wants to see a witch
This fucking always gets me. Why? They're emotionless. Why the fuck would they suddenly be curious?
>to understand how the new law of Madoka works
They have no reason other than curiosity, which they shouldn't feel.
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>>113853858
People have weird definitions of "selfish". I'm pretty sure it means "lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure." It's not just going against other people's wishes.
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>>113853858
But Homura convinced herself that being part of the Law of the Cycle is not what Modaka really wanted after she talked to the Madoka inside her labyrinth.
Supposedly that madoka is the real Madoka without her knowledge of her power, i.e. the Madoka she was before she became a magical girl.
Whether that's actually true or not what Homura did was for Modaka.
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>>113853983
Kyubey says it at the end of the series. Witches sound like terrific power sources. Wraiths are inefficient. It's not the emotion curiosity, it's a methodical attempt to understand the universe that's necessary for survival.
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>>113853983
To get more energy you doofus, Homura brings up that exact point. Pay attention.
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>>113854086
>after she talked to the brainwashed Madoka inside her labyrinth who didn't know the full truth. nor have the experiences of godhood
ftfy
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>>113853983
They want to have control over the Law of the Cycle. They weren't curious for the sake of being curious.
This was stated word for word in the movie, how did you miss it?
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>>113854103
>>113854105
It was efficient enough to ensure the universe will function indefinitely. This was the only concern.
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>>113854069
It is when you're acting based solely on your own interests, ones that harms everyone else. There is no forgiving this kind of evil, and Homura enjoys betraying Madoka because she's full of hate and madness.
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>>113854145
Complete control is power, power is just a means towards either a malevolent or benevolent cause, neither of which should be concepts with an emotionless species.
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>>113854122
Exactly. End-of-the-series Homura was in the labyrinth with first-timeline Madoka.

>>113854164
I disagree with this because Homura's vices don't spring from hatred. Love can be as destructive as hate. We see Homura's motivations all the way through, making her a sympathetic evil, much like Milton's Lucifer, but still evil.
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>>113854122
She wasn't brainwashed, she was the Madoka who wasn't a God, The Modaka Homura knew and loved.
Becoming a God changed Madoka, you can easily say it destroyed her and recreated her into something else.
If she had the choice the old Madoka wouldn't do that and that's who Homura tried to save.
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>>113854194
By that logic they shouldn't be trying to save the universe in the first place.
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>>113854253
>you can easily say it destroyed her and recreated her into something else.
No, you couldn't. It simply gave her understanding and perspective. Things that are important whenever making any decision. Things that were taken away from her when she was making the decisions in the labyrinth.
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>>113854268
Survival is a basic primary instinct, not an emotion. They need to save the universe to continue surviving.
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>>113853421
I want to poop in her bed
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>>113854253
>If she had the choice the old Madoka wouldn't do that
Except that's wrong, as Homura herself says in that same scene. Madoka will absolutely sacrifice herself for the good of others, that's part of what makes her Madoka. That's what Homura spends most of the series fighting against.
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>>113854194
They want power to stave off entropy.
It is odd that they would go after a more efficient power source after they already have one unless the wraiths aren't enough to stave off entropy forever while witches are. Otherwise the motivation does not make much sense, if they are emotionless then having to do more work shouldn't bother them.
It could be that wraiths don't provide the energy they need but it's never mentioned.
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>>113854330
Yeah, exactly. So what's the problem here?
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>>113854375
So them wanting to save the universe makes sense. Them looking for more efficient sources when the current one is enough to guarantee survival or just out of curiosity doesn't.
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>>113854346
Why isn't simply trying to increase efficiency an adequate motivation? Remember that in the series, they put a lot of effort into trying to contract Madoka, which would fulfill their quota all at once but also result in the destruction of the planet, when contracting normal girls presumably would have been enough, just slower. What they did in Rebellion isn't much different.
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>>113854298
>She can't interact with the world in any way except to gather witches.
>She has access to more knowledge than any human is capable of understanding
>She literally doesn't exist in the world anymore

Any way you look at it she's not human anymore. The human Madoka is dead and gone. She is something completely different now. She's not the same but smarter, she's something else entirely.
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>>113854486
Ironically, Madoka gets Homura's lifestyle.
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>>113854234
She hates most of Madoka's qualities that she originally was fond of because they got in her way. She hates her kindness towards everyone not her, she hates how she would give her life for others, she hates how she never obsesses over her like Homura does. She's a fucked up entity of evil that can't feel love or empathy. There is nothing sympathetic about her since she happily ruined everything and turned away at least four willing friendships for her own destructive goals.
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>>113854486
The only thing different about her is her physical form. She's still the same fucking spirit only with more knowledge and a broader perspective as a result. Saying she's a different person and should be saved from it is like saying every human being becomes different as they live and gather knowledge and they should be "saved" from this.
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>>113854433
Refer to >>113854484
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>>113854573
You're objectively wrong and a retard. Please leave this space free for discussion for people that actually know what the fuck they're talking about.
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>>113854579
What, saving people from the burden of adulthood? I think you've unlocked another layer.

>>113854615
Only if you do.
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>>113854609
Because that goes against their emotionless gimmick. If anything it's a plothole.
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>>113854645
You're confusing emotion with motivation.
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>>113854665
Can't get motivated if you don't feel shit can you?
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>>113854645
>that goes against their emotionless gimmick.
It really doesn't. You presume too much. It is in their best interests to gain as much energy as possible, as quickly as possible. We don't know what their plans are beyond Earth - if they're going to try to set up the same system on another planet, that's going to take time and energy , and the return isn't guaranteed. The more extra energy they have, the more of a buffer period they have.
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>>113854338
But does she want to be a God?
That's the actual question here. Homura left the order Madoka created intact brought back the old Madoka.
How do you know that Modaka wouldn't want that?
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>>113854692
Tell me about the emotions of amoebas and planarians. What motivates them to do what they do?
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>>113854637
If you consider developing a burden then sure. Both replies of yours are to the same person now and I seriously have no motivation arguing with a fucking brick.
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>>113854742
That depends entirely on the specific details of the new world Homura created, which we know next to nothing about. Personally I doubt there won't be something going horribly wrong, because it would be boring if everything is fine.
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>>113854767
Go and converse with them about it.
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>>113854742
Madoka was factually happiest as a god. She saved the world from witches and created a wonderful heaven for magical girls to enjoy when they died. There is nothing on earth that could parallel that joy, especially not with Homura around. The bright side is that when Madoka kills Homura and repairs her heaven Homura won't be in it, something everyone can appreciate since she never deserved it anyway.
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>>113854789
>If you consider developing a burden
That is a very, very old theme. Peter Pan certainly did.

> I seriously have no motivation arguing with a fucking brick.
When your arguments consist entirely of "you're wrong and retarded," can you be surprised when everyone's a brick?
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>>113854882
God the stiffy I'm going to have from your bitch tears caused by S2, I think my dick is going to fall off.
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>>113854579
It's not just knowledge, you're basically using reductio ad absurdum. The scale is completely different.

Even without that the fact that she has no existence in the universe anymore is proof she is not the same.
I mean that's one of the fundamental definitions of a someone, their existence. Trying to pretend nothing happened and she's the same is absurd.
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>>113854905
I'm well aware "ignorance is bliss" is an old theme. It doesn't get better with age.
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>>113854521
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>>113854953
It's growing up. Homura doesn't want to, Madoka does.
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>>113854935
I feel the same about delusional Homufags that refuse to abandon the sunken HomuMado ship or expect forgiveness, or the ones who seriously think she was right or not evil. Her death and abandonment will be great to see.
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>>113854882
Madoka will forgive and understand her she's not bliinded and delusional like Homura.
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>>113854953
She is real enough to interact with Homura's portal. She is real enough to take the souls of the dead witches into her own personal heaven.

Just because her physical being is not one you can fantasise boning doesn't mean she's an entirely different entity.
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>>113855001
>It's growing up. Homura doesn't want to, Madoka does.
Hey, there we go, theme of the series.

What were you guys arguing about again?
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>>113855111
It isn't the theme is about letting go.
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>>113855001
>It's growing up. Homura doesn't want to, Madoka does.
Hey, there we go, theme of the series.

What were you guys arguing about again?>>113855168
That too.
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>>113855025
Homura destroyed her life just to keep her to herself. There isn't an ounce of love or humility in Homura's heart and she isn't sorry for her sins. Madoka will understand her, yes, but as the evil monster she has willingly become, and she will be disgusted.
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>>113855203
Whoa why did that happen
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>>113855108
I didn't say she wasn't real, I said she didn't exist in their universe.
Which is what's stated at the end of the series.
She can't interact with anything not related to witches.

I don't understand how you can be so dense as to not see how she has fundamentally changed to something completely different.
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>>113855111
I dunno. All I know is that disagreeing with hateboner-anon makes me retarded.

>>113855220
Madoka is the only entity capable of redeeming Homura. If she destroyed Homura just so everyone else could be happy, she would cease to be Madoka.

...so I guess dark Madoka confirmed for movie 4.
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>>113855220
>Madoka is the purest fucking thing in existence and is completely incapable of harbouring hate or disgust even towards the fucking incubator
>but she's totally going to snap and go psycho hate fueled bitch on Homura who she expressed ridiculous amounts of love towards and even killed Mami for because Homura went through so much shit she was broken

Go shit up some other thread. Really. It's like you didn't even watch anything and spew random shit based on snippets you picked up from the thread.
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>five months later
>still responding to homuhater
You'd think you guys would have learned by this point.
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>>113854882
>She saved the world from witches and created a wonderful heaven for magical girls to enjoy when they died.
She didn't save the world from anything, wraiths just took the place of the witches. We don't even know if magical heaven exist, girls basically fuse with Madoka and are taken reaping with her.
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>>113855415
I'd reap with Madoka, it sounds fun. See the world, meet interesting people.
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>>113855305
>Go shit up some other thread
Ironic coming from you, reddit fag.
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>>113855462
Sounds as much fun as being eaten by Majin Buu.
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>>113855563
For fuck sakes go back to /v/ already and jerk off over how funny you find fitz acting like an autist with all the other retards.
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>>113855648
>/v/
>parroting insults to try and fit in
Nothing new here.
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>>113854742
>Homura left the order Madoka created intact
There is no fucking word about it. Sayaka stated that she ruined it. She was a part of it and must know it better.
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>>113855821
Sayaka didn't say that she ruined it, just that she tampered with it, which Homura didn't deny. We really have no way of knowing what the long-teen effects will be.
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>>113855821
Homura said she only took a small part of the LoC, Madoka. Sayaka has no way to know what happened there as she was already on earth.
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>>113855873
>You've beoken off a part of the Law of the Cycles! The power of salvation that was the hope of all magical girls!
She basically removed core from law of cycles.
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>>113852395
For all we know, it's the same guy.
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Homura mutilated and imprisoned Madoka to prevent Kyubey from seizing her. In this, Homura's personal desire doesn't matter. The only way she can cross the line is if she made Madoka her sex slave, which she did not.

Jesus fucking Christ in a manger people, is it really difficult to understand that?
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>>113855977
And yet the LoC still exists. If we take the imagery seriously, she literally split Madoka in two - the human Madoka, as she was before she made her wish, and the goddess whose job it is to purify witches. In theory, that system can keep working, but again, we don't really know.
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>>113856117
>to prevent Kyubey from seizing her
That's not why she did it though.
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>>113856195
yuh huh
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>>113856117
She did it because she wanted Madoka for herself and was mad Madoka didn't treat her special.
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>>113856211
It's not. Madoka and her angels already had the QBs under control. Homura did what she did to save Madoka from herself and give her a chance at a normal life again.
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>>113856348
What control? Kyubey just need to repeat the experiment with the next dying meguca. Heck, there are probably some other meguca already in the experiment. Homura knew this eventuality, that's why she jumped the gun and prevented Madokami from jumping to the next dying meguca. It was a now-or-never situation.
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>>113856457
Nice fanfiction.
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>>113856457
>What control? Kyubey just need to repeat the experiment with the next dying meguca
Did you miss the part where it only worked because Homura had memories of Madoka you fucking retard? The only person it would work with is Madoka's little brother and he's not a fucking magical girl.
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>>113856742
he can be
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>>113856742
So what happens to the girl that has no memory of Madoka and has been put on the experiment? Is she destined to be trapped eternally in the isolation field? Of course not, Madoka would still try to get her.
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>>113856785
>brother
>girl
hehe get it now you reply with "cis scum" come on it will be funny.
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>>113856457
First of all every meguca can protect Madoka from incubators like Sayaka and Bebe did. it's not a problem to defeat them.
Second this >>113856742
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>>113856873
Yes, nothing will just happen. Soulgem will be fine. And incubators can't wait for eternity. If nothing is happening, they will just give up.
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>>113853858
> Godoka isn't miserable, she's doing what she always wanted.
you can't actually prove that. She's still separated from her family
> but where she's with Homura all the time
Only we see a Homu that's alone in the end of Rebellion. So she's not actually with Homura, but with her family and other friends. Homu sacrifices the world's stability for Madoka's happiness. Probably not a good deed, but definitely doesn't fit the description of selfish
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>>113831408
Homu was a selfish monster after losing for two years or so.
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>>113833077
>>113832561
>Mami
Literally who?
I bet she has no friends.
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>>113857234
>Homu
>selfish
>monster
>two years

>two years
>two years
>two years
Confirmed for not watching the show. Fuck off retard.
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>>113835299
For you
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcAVh8hN-j4
>tfw used to laugh at this
>now realise the song fits the story perfectly
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> homu haters vs. people who claim to like homu but think she changed in rebellion
this thread is bad for any homu fans it seems
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>>113838938
>She was always a real piece of shit
She was a cute girl for first first few loops.
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>>113857295
I'd give her two years to stay a more or less innocent girl.
Every go-around takes a month, who knows how many times she's tried saving Madoka.
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Would you go to the beach with Homu?
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>>113857234
>after losing for two years or so
>>113857449
>who knows how many times she's tried saving Madoka.
word of god says homura has repeated the same month over 100 times.
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>>113857449
The number of loops Urobutcher said she was approaching had neared 100.
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>>113857515
>over 100 times
Meaning, we don't have a fucking clue how long it took, other than her having done this shit over eight years.
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>>113857169
I think people who keep saying that Homura did it selfishly didn't fucking see the ending.

The interaction between Madoka and Homura in the end, it was not the same. Homura knows that she will never have the relationship she wanted with Madoka after she did what she did.
A relationship she could have had if she just went with Godoka and was absorbed or w/e the fuck happens there.

She gave that up because she wanted Madoka to be happy and she thought that was the only way to do it.
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>>113857352
>but think she changed in rebellion
She did.
Seeing Madoka kill herself for good finally pushed her over the edge.
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>>113857501
no
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jesus people are still arguing about this?
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>>113857641
Madoka didn't kill herself.
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>>113857844
She damned herself to fighting witches forever and there's no way for Homura to save her after that.
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why didn't madoka just wish to get rid of entropy instead?
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>>113858071
Because that would destroy everything.
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>>113858071
Because there is insufficient data for a meaningful answer you pleb.
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>>113858071
She's a dumb middle school girl and that wouldn't solve the witch problem.
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>>113831408
>I just watched the movie.
thats the problem some shows you need to stick to some segments of the history

like not watching sao or TTGL second cour
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>>113858071
Not enough power maybe? Entropy is a problem that can't be stopped, only delayed. It doesn't matter how strong she is, she would need infinite power for that.
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>>113858196
>she would need infinite power for that
She has according to QB.
QB never lies.
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>>113853983
I don't buy Kyubey's description of their species as entirely emotionless, at least in the conventional sense.
The desire to fight for your species' survival is an emotion. That might be the only emotion they are capable of experiencing, but they do experience at least that one.
I also believe that they probably understand curiosity and (very limited) compassion. It's unlikely that they would become a space-faring race without the former, and the latter explains a lot of their behaviour in the show.

The emotions they don't understand are things like love, fear, despair, hope, jealousy, etc. The ones which tend to make us act irrationally.
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>>113858261
>The desire to fight for your species' survival is an emotion.
that's an instinct
unless you are also willing to argue that cockroaches have emotions.
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>>113858261
>The desire to fight for your species' survival is an emotion
It's just a survival instinct. It's like the difference between a need and a desire.
>It's unlikely that they would become a space-faring race without the former
They would if it was necessary for their survival.
>compassion
>QB
Fuck off mate.
>The ones which tend to make us act irrationally.
Rationality is just a human construct and when you think about it, life in general is completely irrational.
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>>113858071
a) That's a terrible idea and would break physics.
b) She doesn't give a flying fuck about entropy. The entire point of that being the Incubators' motivation is that it's wholly alien to her.
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>>113858327
Well what are emotions then? Is hunger an emotion? How about craving a specific food? Instincts and emotions are on the same spectrum.
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>>113858327
>>113858434
What is the difference between an instinct and an emotion?

Serious question.
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Instinct or innate behavior is the inherent inclination of a living organism towards a particular complex behavior. The simplest example of an instinctive behavior is a fixed action pattern (FAP), in which a very short to medium length sequence of actions, without variation, are carried out in response to a clearly defined stimulus.
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>>113858477
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion
Really is it so difficult?
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>>113858595
you mixing up cause and effect with things being the same.
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>>113858327
No.
The desire to eat is an instinct. Cockroaches have that.
The desire to run away from predators is an instinct (although it could be argued that this falls under the emotion of fear). Cockroaches have that too.
The desire to conduct complex scientific experiments and procedures over thousands of years in order to protect your descendents from a threat which is predicted to occur billions of years in the future is not merely an instinct. Some serious thought went into that, and it was clearly motivated by some kind of empathy for their descendants.

I guess in the end it really depends what you define as an emotion though.
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>>113858555
>>113858595
>The simplest example of an instinctive behavior is a fixed action pattern (FAP), in which a very short to medium length sequence of actions, without variation, are carried out in response to a clearly defined stimulus.
Did someone from /a/ edited this?
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>>113858660
>The desire to conduct complex scientific experiments and procedures over thousands of years in order to protect your descendents from a threat which is predicted to occur billions of years in the future is not merely an instinct. Some serious thought went into that, and it was clearly motivated by some kind of empathy for their descendants.

Ah. But the Incubators and/or the civilization that created them might already have biological immortality. So they're looking out for themselves.
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>>113858595
One is a biological definition and one is a philosophical one.
What is the biological definition of emotion, or the philosophical definition of instinct?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion#Neurocircuitry

There really isn't a difference.
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>>113840344
Still hoping for Good Omens -esque Crowley/Aziraphale mado/homu relationship ending that gives us infinite lesbian frenemies.
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I really liked it, although there are parts of it that I just found silly. But the latter part with Homura was not it.
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>>113858784
>it's the same
So you totally "feel" the desire for survival? What does it feel like?
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>>113858595
So in other words an instinct is a behaviour while an emotion is a feeling?

>running away from a predator
instinct
>being afraid of a predator
emotion

More complex instincts are typically motivated by emotions. That's why we have emotions in the first place. Humans have an instinct to reproduce, and this is effected by the emotion of love/lust.
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>>113858812
>Still hoping for Good Omens -esque Crowley/Aziraphale mado/homu relationship ending that gives us infinite lesbian frenemies.

The only problem with that sort of ending is that it seems too obvious.
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>>113858874
Simplified yes pretty much. Instinct is about automated behaviours to continue survival while emotion is about how we understand things around us and our experiences and how we react to it.

Instinct is nature and emotion is nurture pretty much.
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You guys are missing an important element here. In "the real world", emotions are physical reactions - they're caused by hormones and various other chemicals, as well as learned neurological patterns.

In the Megucaverse, emotions are magical, and are furthermore tied to something call the "soul", which is an entirely separate concept from the body. They can clearly be distinguished from other behaviors by their ability to produce energy. If we accept this premise using the magic of suspension of disbelief, we can also accept that it's not strange for the Incubators to lack emotion while still having other behavior patterns of living things, because emotions are not simply a behavior pattern.
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I want to strangle Homura to death as she cries out for Madoka to come save her, but nobody comes and she dies in horrible pain scared, alone, and certain Madoka had abandoned her.
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>>113847595
There's definitely one guy who (almost) always posts, he has this really distinctive sentence structure and weirdly precise visions of what madoka will do to homura. I think he's gotta be unemployed/working from home and an insomniac, because dude's there like clockwork.

That said, I doubt he's the original so you're probably right.
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>>113859055
Anon you try so hard I sometimes feel bad for you but then I realise you're the reason a good Madoka thread hasn't existed for ages now and then I get down on my knees in front of my bed and pray to got that you may get cancer in your brain blood and anus.
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>>113858987
>Instinct is nature and emotion is nurture pretty much.
But that's completely wrong.
Human emotions are pretty much constant across all cultures and time periods. That's why we can empathise with the characters in stories written by the ancient civilisations.

>>113859033
Now that's an excellent point. Their universe does seem to operate on fundamentally different laws to our own. It may be that their definition of emotion only includes those emotions which are tied to the soul and can produce energy with greater than unit efficiency.
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>>113858837
It feels like I don't want to die.
Instincts and emotions are just the brain's reaction to external stimuli. Emotions are just more complex.
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>>113859138
>you're the reason a good Madoka thread hasn't existed for ages now
I wouldn't go that far. Yeah, he's annoying, but he's also really easy to spot, so most people just ignore him after a while.
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>>113859181
But you can nurture something to an extend so they react to different stimuli with different emotion. Various psychological disorders especially related to abuse, masochism, etc.
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>>113859055
This thread isn't your personal psychiatric helpline.

Keep your weird ass fetishes to yourself.
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>>113859138
Problem?

:^)
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>>113859232
But hi's post still claim victims:
https://archive.moe/a/thread/113801266/#113813585
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>>113859280
>psychological disorders
Exactly. They're so universal that even relatively small variations in emotional responses are classified as disorders.
Also, I'm willing to bet that a lot more of those are caused by genetics than people think.
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>>113859388
You gotta be tough to survive in megucaland. Anon clearly didn't have what it took.
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>>113859418
Well they are an irregularity because we generally don't go out of our way to lock people up in torture rape basements and shit and trying to condition them to react to things differently than how people under similar, regular circumstances do. But the thing is that the kind of emotional reactions people give to things can be influenced and developed by outside sources, which gives a "nurture" aspect to it as opposed to instincts which are just hardwired into us.
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>>113859587
Some instincts can also be modified by conditioning.

For example, humans typically have a survival instinct, but when tortured or put under sufficient psychological stress they can willingly take their own lives.

I would say that instincts like that are just as influenced by nurture as emotions, if not more so.
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