I started Madoka pretty late in the game.
Can someone tell me what death spiders are?
Damn haters ruining another thread.
All megukas a best.
welp that's get started. Sayaka a shit. And will always a shit.
Sayaka and Kyouko's necks are too fat in that picture.
Are the spiders some sort of anti-Lesbian weapon so Hitomi can preserve her Heterosexual hierarchy?
>implying Hitomi needs a weapon to defend herself from lesbians
Based Mami - only girl who doesn't look weird as fuck in that image.
The fists can only go so far. The Lesbomagnetic forces in the Madoka universe increase as Homura becomes more powerful.
Think about it - it makes sense.
Mami may look the least weird, but still does. Though Homura's angle fucked her up, Madokami looks just fine.
Stop hijacking threads.
I'll admit that it's only Homura's angle makes her look odd, but what is at all wrong with how Mami looks? Madokami looks normal, but it doesn't resemble her as much as it should.
Mmmm, I like where this one is going.
Don't taint this thread!
I don't know, I may be so used to the megucas wide art style that any other looks odd one way or another to me. Needless to say, odd doesn't equal to bad.
Candeloro, from the PSP game.
Sorry, sorry - back to purity.
Goddamn, I am still mad they made and will still make Mami's tits so absurdingly big after Rebellion.
There is a Mami thread in /c/ that needs friends too, why not go there to image dump like this?
They were so perfectly sized before. Above average for her age, but not unusually big.
Tea, Cake, and Loneliness.
Oh, and lots of guns!
cause of her mamis
I didin't know /c/ have mami threads
Madoka should wear her hair up more often.
You can learn to draw them too, faggot. If you don't, then you don't want it enough.
/c/ has every kind of meguca threads. I mean, come on.
Responses like this make me fear for the future of Mamifags in general.
That spoiler in >>112858672 was for you.
yeah, you wouldn't want her to lose her head.
>Responses like this make me fear for the future of Mamifags in general.
But it was joke.
Pic related is what truly makes Mami Mami.
Mami is too much of a Lady to go commando.
>little shit thinks that being smug will save her from being bullied as well
can we talk about rebellion
I just watched it a few days ago and I'm not sure how to feel about it
the fan service kind of bothered me (3 minute transformation scene, the fucking cake song) and the pacing didn't feel right, and the fight scene between homu and mami was kind of boring
How? I find that picture to be more adorable than any other thing.
In the right context, that scene is hilarious.
No! For once a Meguca thread will not turn into a Rebellion shitfest. The Homu-haters can smell such threads a mile away and they always ruin everything.
It is pretty great, some of ume's best work.
The cake song, transformations and all that jazz was to create an atmosphere of awkwardness, to make the viewer feel or know that something was wrong without telling him what it was.
About that Mami vs Homura fight, come the fuck on, it was great.
First 2/3rd of the movie had some interesting ideas, but kinda failed at both the pacing and the exposition.
Last 1/3rd was a bad idea that also suffered from pretty bad exposition.
Now we just have to wait for an eventual 4th movie
or 2nd season
Don't encourage him! We're having a lovely, pure Meguca thread for once.
Yeah I get that they wanted us to be so confused after the series but
and the fight scene sucked, watch the fight scene with sayaka and kyouko or something, it had emotion and it was interesting
sure homura and mami looked good but until the end it was just
>SHE CAN PREDICT ALL MY MOVES AND OUR SHOTS WILL JUST BARELY MISS/COLLIDE WITH EACH OTHER
Drunk Megucas. Man, if they stumbled upon a Witch on the way home it would be hilarious.
Eh, those can be lovely and pure too.
>complaining about a goat action scene in a flawless movie.
I guess there's no pleasing some people.
I genuinely liked Rebellion but it's nowhere near the refined aspects of the series. Pacing is off, writing wasn't as good, directing wasn't as tight. Art sure was pretty though, whilst the OST was still good but not quite series good.
As a huge fan of the series, it disappointed me, but could've been worse.
>I guess there's no pleasing some people.
If there was, /a/ wouldn't exist.
What the heck do you expect? There is a huge difference between a fight were both of the opponents are melee and one of two gun users. Besides, Sayaka and Kyouko wanted to kill each other (even if they wouldn't be able to) whereas Mami and Homura fought without truly wanting it.
Now you are taking it too far.
The art obviously surpassed the series in practically every aspect, that is what budget is for. But other than that, I agree.
Those Megucas in your image look like feminine teenage boys.
Okay, that's all from me for the moment.
That's not even a dent in my all-fag folder. But I need to go shit post in another thread.
I happen to be an expert on fight scenes and that fight scene I would r8 an 8/8.
Madoka healing Homura's loneliness with love is the only reason to want another movie.
>"gets told why he's wrong"
>t-they are too good and can predict each other movements therefore it's shit
>I-I want a fight where the opponents say epic speeches to each other, no matter who they are, their fighting style or the way they usually behave
>atmosphere of awkwardness
And it worked. I felt like something was off, just like what Homura was feeling. Did it way better than Eva 3.0. BUT that being said, the Mami vs. Homura fight wasn't as emotionally engaging as it could've been. It was still amazingly choreographed. I wouldn't say it's as bad as the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan fight in RoTS.
We may never know.
Mami is called "Mami" for a reason and purpose. She can't be futa.
...for being former old men?
Good thing Mami isn't a rabbit then.
That is one gorgeous thigh...
Homura really deserves a life in Madoka's arms. Even the devil stuff is okay because it's a step towards making that possible.
>all that symbolism pointing to a "missing half" at the end of the movie
>a step towards
It's not nice to lie, anon.
>Madoka reaches out to Homura
>ending where they can be together as equals in love
Only possible with Rebellion. Madoka gets what Madoka wants and Madoka wants Homura.
So? Lots of things are possible now, it doesn't mean any of them will happen. You are assuming a lot of things when the whole mood of the show pointed towards the opposite. If you want doujins, go read them, but I am talking about the movie, what was shown to us and happened.
Well, here's the thing. It may be the most important chapter, but the series itself, in the grand scheme of things, is not that important.
Or at least, wasn't as important as all the other shit I was trying to memorise at the time.
If you honestly think Madoka wouldn't love Homura back given the chance you misinterpreted the whole series. If nothing changes from Rebellion's ending then everyone is happy and Homura can be happy knowing she made a happy world for Madoka.
So if there's a problem, Madoka fixes it and gets with Homura, if there isn't, it's a happy ending. Madoka would probably demand Homura's attention anyway because she always does.
Except that's rank horseshit.
Interpretation is based upon subjective observation. No one can have the "right" interpretation as no one can have the "right" observation.
Fuck there are some branches of literary criticism where Kurt Vonnegut could come back from the dead, explain to you what Slaughthouse 5 was about and you could tell him he was completely wrong, and give your own interpretation, and it'd be just as valid.
How do you define a correct interpretation? In the case of mathematical truths there's a whole formal theory about that, in the case of statements about the world there are a bunch of theories of truth, such as correspondence theory, but in the case of interpretations of fictive works, how does that work?
You must be a real fool to if you don't get the blatant symbolism of this bullshit.
My interpretation for Rebellion is that Homura just really wanted some Skittles. And that's why she did all the crazy things, because only the real Madoka knew where to buy the flavor of Skittles she wanted.
Go fuck yourself.
Are you seriously underestimating Madoka's hope/Madoka's love/Homura's love/the power of fate?
Then, your stupid yuri faggotry weights more than what was actually shown and implied in the show, uh? No surprises here.
If they never continue it, then things stay as they are. No amount of fanfiction can change it. Anything else is some subjective bullshit assumed by your ass.
Well, I hold that interpretations of fictions are severely undetermined by what's actually shown, even more than facts underdetermine theories, and even that there's no point in trying to get closer to an absolutely "correct" interpretation. That is, I hold that an interpretation is correct when it is both useful to people (like James uses the concept of usefulness to talk about truth) and coherent with the original material. Interpretations are severely underdetermined because to interpret fictions we need a bunch of implicit assumptions that easily varies accross cultures, time, and even within a single mind over very short periods of time.
You're like a four year old flinging the boardgame across the room. Are you a real enough fool to actually think what you're saying or do you know you're beaten and you're just backpedaling?
Okay, you are entitled to your interpretation.
But I would point out that your argument is poorly made. Not only do we have no idea whether skittles exists in the madoka universe, we also have no idea whether Homura even likes them to begin with, there were no clear interpretations as to this fact.
Oh, and your retarded interpretations are no coherent, you just think they are because as I just said, you're retarded.
Everyone wants to think they're thinking logically and correct.
Or perhaps Homura didn't damn herself to an eternity of suffering but rather intends to make her world better and is accepting loneliness as her punishment. There's enough evidence for thinking this in the series. There's also enough evidence to indicate Madoka will always be close to Homura no matter what. The original point was that Rebellion's ending separated them forever which is just a grim interpretation that places no faith in either Madoka or Homura.
And so the uncultured buffoon is again rendered in a state of sheer rage, his already limited vocabulary and intelligence unable to convey whatever halfbaked point he had. It is fun to use such very simple logic and philosophy in this way.
Stay mad, son.
>The original point was that Rebellion's ending separated them forever which is just a grim interpretation that places no faith in either Madoka or Homura
I am sorry you didn't get your lovey dovey ending, anon, but it's not like Urobuchi is known for that.
>implying Homura didn't remake the universe with Skittles
Friendly reminder that your "argument" is bullshit.
You didn't give a single reason why it's as you say, while I just presented some evidence in the form of a scene in the actual ending of the movie that points towards my interpretation being correct.
But I see that people like yourself don't mind reaching new levels of autism as to deny facts. Sasuga, yurifag, and stick you your fanfictions.
She even puts them in her mouth and eats them. Sure looks like Skittles play a major role in this story.
>Even the devil stuff is okay because it's a step towards making that possible.
Without the rebellion there was never a chance for them to be happy together. Now there is. It's the fact that that chance even exists that's important. Urobuchi also stressed the ideas that hope and love are the strongest, so there's no reason not to be optimistic at the ending in some way or another.
But they can't be "wrong". That implies they can be "right".
You cannot have a "right" or "correct" interpretation, it's a oxymoron.
The most you can have is a convincing interpretation, but you're never going to have an interpretation that convinces everyone.
This means the skittles guy has, in fact, proven me right. If he feels Madoka is about skittles, that's his prerogative. He has look at the evidence, and he has reached that conclusion. I'm not convinced by that interpretation, but it's based upon his observation, which I am in no place to question.
Would you look at that?
Tropical Skittles have the same color scheme as their soul gems.
You can hardly write this off as a coincidence, anon.
Clearly Madoka was the only personal in the universe who knew where to buy Tropical Skittles, and that's why Homura wanted to save Madoka so bad.
Ah, but what about the green skittles? What's her face isn't a Magical girl.
Furthermore, how can Homura be so devastated by not having tropical skittles when tropical skittles are shit?
Sure, except for all the symbolism in the very end of the show pointing towards the opposite. But it probably was a mistake, right? It's not like the whole show is heavely based in symbolism and implications or anything.
Saying stuff like "it now can happen is what is important" is no different than saying that every timeline is canon because "it could have happened".
What the fuck even skittles are?
You mean the symbolism that even though Homura feels lonely she's okay with it because Madoka is safe and happy, her friends got their happiness granted, Kyubey is fucked and she's finally fulfilled her promise? Sure, she's alone burdened with intense love, but the ending is not macabre as you make it seem. Especially with everyone's smiling faces right before and Madoka and Homura running off hand in hand in the ED.
Have you realized you're retarded yet? I really hope you have.
"Can twist semantics and make facetious arguments" != "subjectively correct"
You are wrong. It's as simple as that.
"I think I'm right" is not proof that you are.
What burden does Homura have? It feels like that ending was just there to make it feel sad in a way or as an excuse to a sequel if they ever wanted one.
She was happy with betraying her friend and her wish if that meant she would stay safe, the other girls had their memories brainwashed or outrightly rewritten but are totally happy and, while shit seems unstable, it doesn't seem to be a menace in any way for the time being.
But here's the thing. In my interpretation, it's not semantics or facetious and it is correct. I'm not saying I am right, you are wrong, I'm merely putting an argument for my being right forward.
You however, aooear to be sure that you are objectively correct. To which I ask, according to which object?
I feel we've gotten off topic so I'll sum it up.
Different people interpret works of art in different ways. To one person a slash of red across a canvas says books about the creator's feelings, to another it's no more than a slash of red paint.
I can't agree that one can interpret art in a "correct" way because the truth would ultimately lie with the artist, which means I would have to accept all that avant garde bullshit.
So no, one cannot have a "correct" interpretation, anymore than one can have a "correct" taste in food. One can merely have a interpretation that is convincing to other people, to the degree that they accept that interpretation in place of their own.
What kind of backwater country do you live in that doesn't have Skittles?
You don't want to admit interpretations can be wrong because that would mean admitting everything you've learned in life and the very bases on which you think is completely wrong.
My example about Skittles is clearly wrong, and you know it. That alone is proof things can be incorrect.
Your problem is you think the the world revolves around you, and that your opinion actually means something. As evident by your rampant use personal pronouns. This means you are incapable of thinking objectively and that refuse to adhere to the correct mindset. You don't want to be wrong, so you've conditioned yourself into thinking you never are as long as your own thoughts support yourself. Which is the very definition of circular logic.
Homura's burden is that she intentionally threw away her dreams for herself for Madoka. She didn't betray her wish and nobody is brainwashed, but she's not going to apologize for what she did either. She knows it's bad and is alright with it and the consequences of not being able to partake in the happiness of her world because everything is better than it was before. The point is that things most likely will not stay this way forever, and even if they do it's still a happy ending overall. If they don't, then odds are heavily in favor of Madoka reconciling with her and helping her create a better ending where they can both get what they want, a life with each other.
I would disagree, I think you've made a fundamental (and incorrect) assumption in my viewpoint. You think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that I say no interpretation can be wrong because I do not wish to be wrong.
However, I would argue that it is more a case that I say no interpretation can be right based upon the assumption that I am wrong.
But that's my interpretation. The truth of the matter could be either. Or both ( so often we judge ourselves harshly and then get incredibly indignant when others do the same).
I, personally, think your example with skittles is wrong.
I, personally, do not think there is a God (in the Judeo-Christian sense) but numerous other people think there is. Who am I to say they are wrong? Why am I in a position to pass judgement on what is and isn't real when that judgement relies on subjective observation?
> incapable of thinking objectively
I would argue that nearly everyone is incapable to thinking objectively, as it would require us to abandon all of existence, which is perseived through a subject, ourselves. (I say nearly everyone, because I am unsure as to the abilities of "Buddhas", be they Buddhists or not, to think objectively).
You cannot have a " wrong" opinion, or a "right" one, merely an opinion that is either badly argued or well argued. This is as true for myself as it is for everyone else, when it comes to opinions.
You are so retarded it hurts. Please go back to whatever shit forum you came from.
Again, your personal pronouns just prove you are not smart. You are just wanna be smart.
My Skittles example is not wrong because you think so, it's wrong because we know Homura's motivation is clearly not fucking candy.
Events have set meanings, and events have a set number of answers.
"Madoka brushes her teeth" can only mean one thing. Just because one person thinks "Madoka is brushing her teeth to distract the ninja from the fact she as a semi-automatic machine gun hidden in her shirt" does not mean Madoka actually has a semi-automatic machine gun hidden in her shirt while she's brushing her teeth.
This is the same type of example as my Skittles one. You are working under the assumption everything has an infinite number answers. And if you don't understand how stupid that sounds then you are truly unable to be helped.
Honestly, your post is so stupid, I think you're trolling right now. More like I wish you were trolling, but still.
I am very much aware that there are many people far smarter than I am. I refer to myself this way to stress, this is MY interpretation; what I think and believe.
>You are working under the assumption everything has an infinite number answers. And if you don't understand how stupid that sounds then you are truly unable to be helped.
If I was I was not aware of it. Please, would you be so kind as to humour me and explain just why it is stupid to think so.
The way I see it, something can be interpretated in any such way someone would want to. Madoka may brush her teeth, but is that all that's happening? Can it be a metaphor? If so, of what?
Just look at Evangelion, for instance, I know I am.
The way I see it, art can be interpretated in any way one wants to, as I've said. I will not agree with all those interpretations, especially if people just start taking the piss, but I do not believe my opinion is infallible, so if I have out forward my argument the best I can, and you do not agree I will not push it.
But, anyway, please explain just why I am wrong, you've been avoiding doing so most of this discussion. And, also, if there ARE objectively "right" and "wrong" interpretations of art, who decides which is which?
It is objectively wrong that Madoka is not brushing her teeth to distract ninjas and it is objectively wrong that Homura's main motivation in the story is Skittles.
If Madoka Madoka brushing her teeth was an allegory, not metaphor, then something else would be indicative of that. And that would be another condition set in the equation of judging what the scene meant. If there is no information leading as such it can't be "subjectively correct" just because someone had the idea. Because there is always someone, somewhere who will have an idea. And you are saying that all those someones are correct because it's their opinion. That's why you are saying there are infinite number of correct answers.
>And you are saying that all those someones are correct because it's their opinion.
Not quite. I do not believe, for a second, that everyone's opinions are equally valid, merely that the measure of an argument can only be how well it is presented.
I've enjoyed a lot of just downright odd culture in my time, I guess I've simply learned to avoid setting too much stock in what I think's happening, because trying to find meaning in The Prisoner, for example, is an excersise in futility.
Basically, two people can watch the same movie, and come away with two very different views of what it meant, and as long as it is as open to interpretation as Rebellion was, one cannot say one view is objectively "true".
I wish I'd have brought how open things are to interpretation sooner.
>I do not believe, for a second, that everyone's opinions are equally valid
>The way I see it, art can be [interpenetrated] in any way one wants to, as I've said
>I, personally, do not think there is a God (in the Judeo-Christian sense) but numerous other people think there is. Who am I to say they are wrong?
Like fuck, you can hardly even spell. You've spelled "interpret" and variations of it wrong so many times it's not even funny.
>Basically, two people can watch the same movie, and come away with two very different views of what it meant
That's cool, and the whole point of this is that one of those two people can be wrong.
I fucking hate that I have to do this.
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN SEE SOMETHING ONE WAY DOES NOT MEAN THAT WAY IS CORRECT EVEN IF THE STORY IS VAGUE THERE ARE STILL SET ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS POSED.
Please let that sink in so I never have to type with caps lock on again.
>I wish I'd have brought how open things are to interpretation sooner.
This has been your argument along. The fact you just now realized this is what you are trying to say is pitiable at best.
More people than me like my waifu.
>JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN SEE SOMETHING ONE WAY DOES NOT MEAN THAT WAY IS CORRECT EVEN IF THE STORY IS VAGUE THERE ARE STILL SET ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS POSED.
I never said it was correct. I rejected the very notion it could be correct. Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?
I won't bother responding to the rest seeing as how meaningless it is.
Hope is a naive stupid piece of shit that deserved to be caged up for being so trusting and weak.
You mean how your intelligence is so low you can't can't even spell so why should anything else you say carry weight?
And what you fail to understand here is there that there is no "part right" there is only "right" and "wrong". If we are talking about a given set of questions you can be part right. But for each individual question there is a finite answer.
You push the notion that any interpretation at all holds some validity. This is dead wrong.
Opinions in this way are not decided up into "correct" and "incorrect", merely into degrees of believability/acceptability.
What you must accept however, is that those degrees are specific only to yourself.
If you're finding this too nuanced, please say. It's becoming so late that it's getting early.
Can we talk about genuine Madoka Magica without Rebellion?
>Opinions in this way are not decided up into "correct" and "incorrect", merely into degrees of believability/acceptability.
This means the same fucking thing.
Please, again stop being so new and learn to update the page before posting. Now read >>112868194
No, because Rebellion shits on the original series.
>Madoka ends the series confident, powerful, without regrets and in control of her destiny
>Oh wait, Madoka actually would never want to make her wish, silly audi