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I just can't stop laughing. How can one person be such a glorious asshole?
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Kiritsugu a shit.
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If you've seen another Urobutcher work I'm sure you know the archetype Kiritsugu fits into and what's going to happen to him at the end.
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THANKS FOR TYHE SPOILER BITCH

I WAS FUCKING WATCHING THIS SHIT NOW DAMN

FUCKING REPORTED
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>>112458186
Yeah, well, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the moment.

>>112458217
the show is three years old
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>>112458217


Don't worry, they get better.

IN HELL
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Kariya in the church was even funnier.
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>>112458400
Fuck, I don't even remember that. It feels like not too long ago but it's been 3 years.
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>>112458657
Time for a rewatch, before FS/N airs
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>>112458217


Saber dies, Kerry cries.
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>>112458255
>three years
You're shitting me, has it really been that long
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>>112458709
Why don't you just replay the VN now that the RN patch is out?
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>>112458805
>Talking about rewatching F/Z
>Insists on played F/SN RN

Enjoy your dragons and dolphins
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>>112458709
Who was the guy with white mustache?
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>>112458753
I know right, what the fuck
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>>112458854
Forget the dragons and dolphins, they completely neutered the entirety of HF story, it's awful.
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>>112458709
>tfw your post made it into the collage
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>>112458900
Riders masters "parent"
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>>112458900
A grandpa that Waver brainwashed
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>>112458981
>>112458982
True, true, I completely forgot about the old fart. Thank you.
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>>112458854
Better than cringeworthy sex scenes.

And mollusk analogies.
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>>112458954

Omedetouououou. Truly the pinnacle of an /a/utist's life accomplishments.
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>>112459073
dragons are better yeah

but dolphins, really? i know they're smarter than your average anon but still
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>>112459073

As noted before: RN actually introduces a plothole where Shirou mutilates his magical circuitry instead of just having sex with Saber thus overall decreasing their combat effectiveness comparatively.
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>>112458920
Does /a/ still remember?
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>>112459151

>Sits around bitching instead of killing the motherfuckers

You bring shame to the Lancer name Dare-mud
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>>112459213
Choo Choo's spandex will looks so silly animated
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>>112459073
>>112459073
>mollusk analogies.
That's how everybody know you don't know whit about what you're talking about. Also, Realta Nua changes a ton of things in Heaven's Feel besides the sex scenes. They completely shift the character dynamic between a bunch of characters and make the story so PG it's actually sort of offensive.
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>>112459141
>plothole
Yeah no. If anything it fixed plotholes. One was why Rin didn't mention mana transfer earlier and how exactly few units of prana from sperm could allow Saber fight Zerker when she was literally running on fumes before
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rip in peace Kenneth "Fast Wheels Frodo" El-Melloi
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>>112459302
His spandex always looks silly.
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>>112459151
Yes I remember
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>>112459344
You're ignoring that Rin has a crush for Shirou
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>>112459450
And? She even told Shirou to let Saber eat souls if he want to save her. I don't think she's this much of the sociopath to put sex over human lives
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>>112459589
>I don't think she's this much of the sociopath to put sex over human lives
We're speaking of magi here.
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>>112459589


Rin was acclimating Shirou to the fact that he was in-fact in a war and should as such be ready to sacrifice innocents if it gives him the edge.
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>>112459344
But Manatrasfer via sex still exists in RN.
Just look at Caster
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>>112459625
No, we speaking of Rin here. She's far from typical, asshole magi
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>>112459738
She isn't a blind idealist either
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>>112459720
Manatrasfer via sex is fine if they wanted to just prevent Saber from disappearing, few units of prana wouldn't let her fight Zerker
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>>112459312
Did they actually ruin Heaven's Feel or are you just exaggerating? I never read anything but Saber's route in the original and downloaded RN a few days ago to slowly work my way through it before the adaption starts airing. About halfway through UBW now, should I just download the original and a save once I get to HF?
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>>112459929
HF doesn't realy work as PG.
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>>112459929
I personaly prrefer the versions with H-scenes
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>>112459414
Deermud just stood there sitting pretty while cu went out with a bang.
Sasuga Cu.
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>>112459961
There is an RN patch that adds all the h scenes back in. Is the RN+H version drastically different from the original?
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>>112459929
HF got butchered with Realta Nua
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>>112460057
I don't know which version you mean
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>>112459818
Evidently it was enough, since it worked in the original game.

I call bullsit that it was the smarter move for Shirou to mutilate himself when we have canon evidence that sex would have worked just fine.
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>>112459344
>>112459720
How come Saber is in such difficulty anyway? Shirou has 27 circuits, which is well above the average magus
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>>112460416
failed summon so there is no connection between them.
Also Shirou can only use 2 of them because all the others are blocked from not using them.
Kiritsugu is a shitty teacher
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>>112460416
Shitty quality, Shirou is a terrible magus, and his circuits weren't properly activated (which is why he turns his nerves into pseudo-circuits in order to use projection, until Rin realised what he was doing).
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>>112460509
Why did Rin called that disgusting anyway? I remember Rin being angry but not why. What's so disgusting about that?
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>>112460594
Because it's fucking stupid.
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>>112460594
He was running the risk of killing himself if his concentration slipped by even a fraction during the hour it took him to set up, even when it does work its still excrutiatingly painful
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>>112460594
It was both ineffizent and suicidal
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>>112460594
A mistake would lead to death. Not to mention it's highly ineffective.
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>>112460594


Its the equivalent of ripping your intestines out to play jump-rope instead of going out and buying one.
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>>112458074
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWib2FVKc44
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>>112460416

Every problem in Shirou's life can be linked to Kiritsugu. He was improperly trained and doesn't know how to magic circuit
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>>112459073
You are supposed to skip sex scenes and then fap to their cg, didn't thought I had to explain it.
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>>112460735
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>>112460705

Jump ropes cost money though

I mean I can understand how Rin would be able to afford a jumprope
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>>112460745
You can also use them as comic relief
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>>112460774
If you enjoy wasting time and read poor translated porn in a game which isn't supposed to have it why not.
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>>112460767
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>>112460416
>How come Saber is in such difficulty anyway?

His circuits aren't poor quality like some think, but they really can only do one thing, and that's "Make swords". In terms of doing other magic or focusing elsewhere that doesn't involve "Make swords" it's not the best, but they are the best at "make swords".

It wasn't a proper contract since he accidentally summoned her, using Iri's circle from Zero when she was healing by mistake.

On all accounts it was a strange summon, so they weren't actually connected like a master and servant should.
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>>112460763
It isn't a mistake
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>>112460832
You are already wasting time playing a poorly translated visual novel.
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>>112460763
Even in Archer's timeline Shirou went on to save the world. Kerry might have been a shit dad, but he did something right there at least.
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>>112458952
>implying you can't get the original version with RN patch from nyaa for maximum enjoyment
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>>112460990
>to save the world

The world saves itself
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>>112460950
You may be right but at least the story itself is still good, even if the writing isn't like the original, while reading a poor translated sex scene when this one is useless to begin with is an utterly waste of time.
Doing reps right now, I can already somewhat read a moege. Gimme two years and I'll become an eroge expert
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>>112460721
>Happy Fathers Day

They aired that on the best day possible.
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>>112461070
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>>112461056
Poetic, but we know EMIYA even before dying went on to stop several catastrophes. It was his sense of selflessness and bipartisan approach to who he attacked that caused him to get lynched in the end.
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>>112461216
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>>112461216
EMIYA is the hero we don't deserve
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>>112461216
I wasn't exactly trying to be poetic i was talking about Gaia and Alaya, but yes Archer had many moments when he did the job instead of Gaia and Alaya
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>>112461216
Do we know who killed EMIYA?
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>>112461413
he was executed
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>>112461413
Whoever physically did the hanging, or did you mean who betrayed him? We don't know other than it was his friend
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>>112461277

Nor want
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>>112460594
Everyone else managed to miss that it's also pretty heretical, which Rin should probably care about more than she does.
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>>112461480
It was likely Issei, or someone we don't know.
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>>112461413
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>>112461248
>>112461277
>>112461457
>>112461580
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>>112461545
I sometimes wonder if anyone realy care what's heretical.
Is there some list of heretical methods, or is it the mage equivalent of a buzzword?
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There's two main reasons he's called No-Name in Extra

This is one
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>>112460721
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>>112458709
I actually ended up watching the dub of Fate/Zero to get ready for the new FSN. It was actually pretty good. The only voice I could complain about was Gilgamesh since his voice didn't carry as much allure and charisma that Tomokazu Seki had, but after a while he grew on me.
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>>112461602
>hem of Saber's Avalon dress
whoa whoa
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>>112461625
Proper Magi are meant to care. Tokiomi for example would execute Shirou on the spot if he ever discovered what he was. Rin tries her best to be a proper magus but she's awful at it.
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>>112461686
Was it the same company that dubbed the original FSN anime? Cause that dub was awful.
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>>112461725
>He didn't read Last Episode
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>>112461747
So what is heretical?
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>>112461783
Do we know if Fate Shirou went full EMIYA?
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>>112461625
>I sometimes wonder if anyone realy care what's heretical.

You're confused because pretty much every magus we see in this show is an atypical magus, like Rin or Shirou. Any normal magus would slap a sealing designation on him right there, or dissect him for personal gain

They had to introduce Kayneth into the series to show what real magus tend to be like here, since all we tend to see are atypical types. The Grail is stated to mostly pick heretical types, but no normal magus would allow something like Shirou to exist.

There's a part in Ataraxia where Shirou and Luvia are working together, and she's trying to keep his secret undercover from what I recall. Luvia is pretty much Rin, so she's a bit too kind as well, so she doesn't report him to the cops.
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>>112461480
Issei? Ciel?
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>>112461625
>>112461790
Everything the association doesn't like and stuff that breaks the rules of the world and such. I'm guessing?
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>>112460767
Ah, but once you buy the jump rope, you can just use it again and again once it's in your possession. Same with the on/off nature of the circuits.
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>>112461747
>execute
Pish tosh. And waste such an interesting sample? There are tests, procedures to be had, good man! Where is your empirical spirit of curiosity?

The autopsy can wait a few months.
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>>112461875
Exta specifically notes it's a guy, even in the Japanese version.
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>>112461877
>Everything the association doesn't like
Well that sounds fitting
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>>112461747
>Tokiomi for example would execute Shirou on the spot if he ever discovered what he was.

Not before he strapped him down and had Rin and Sakura ride Shirou's jackhammer, just to get a chance at that sweet, sweet Sword Origin and UBW.
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>>112461834
it says that none of the routes did he, but Also says in FATE he had the highest chance. I interpret that as meaning he didn't go full Archer but his similarities are there. Thus why Last Episode happens not being trapped as a Counter Guardian.
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>>112461277
EMIYA is a bitch-nigga
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>>112461929
Also somehow carve UBW in the crest of the child(ren)
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>>112461929
Neither sword origin nor affinity is well suited for magecraft, nor is there any proof either is hereditary.
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>>112461747
Wasn't Zouken a heretic too?
And Kiritsugu.
Didn't seem to bother the Einzberns or anyone else for that matter
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>>112461962
You mean Batman Wizard Jesus.
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>>112461602
Here's the other one

>>112461929
RM's and Origins aren't genetic, There is no magical benefit breeding him. If he had True magic that would be a completely different story
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>>112461991
>implying that's going to stop him from trying
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"Heretic" is for magi like "normalfag" is for anon.

Anything that offends their sensibilities or reminds them of all the stuff they "don't care about" or "don't have time for".
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>>112462039
But adding that RM to the crest would be a sweet update.
Maybe a few generations down there is another nutcase like Shirou who could use it
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>>112462047
Why not then just use the proven overly fruitful womb of Aoi?

Then we'd get sword magi with MAXIMUM potential.
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>>112462101
Or their child ends up going porcupine every time she cuts herself by accident.

>Daaaaaaad! The swords started growing again!
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>>112462017
Zouken is a Heretic to the Church the Association doesn't give a shit about something that low level and Kiritsugu is a pretty much a Enforcer for hire so he is useful.
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>>112462142
Maybe Aoi's daughters got that womb.
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Since Shirou was able to use Projection with some memories and other stuff to reproduce a flawed copy of the Jeweled Sword, could he reproduce it again now that he's seen the memories and presumably UBW is storing a copy of it?
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>>112462188
Yeah, but we KNOW Aoi has it. Why chance it and find out 9 months later it's not?
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>>112462200
Probably not.

Because plot and Nasu keeps nerfing projection.

Muh true magic
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>>112462249
Because than the sword mage with max potential wouldn't be part of your family line.
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>>112462142
Shirou + Aoi's womb doesn't do anything for Tokiomi specifically except NTR him, though.

At the very best, Shirou's children, with a crest containing his RM, might be able to do what Shirou could do with Archer's arm and draw out weapons from it via projection, though they certainly couldn't use UBW itself, it being Shirou's internal world, just like he couldn't use Archer's UBW because their worlds differed too much. There will be no line of children capable of putting UBW into play, only a crest containing UBW that might see limited use depending on the child and on how well it can be utilised.

>>112462175
Entirely possible, and dangerous. A crest can help maintain the body of a magus if they're badly wounded by activating itself, and if it worked like it does for Shirou then the person would probably start looking like pic related.

Yet another reason why it's dangerous and not something to play with.
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>>112462101
That's not quite how RM work at all

Shirou couldn't even use Archer's RM despite being the same person when he had the arm, couldn't go through any weapons that Archer had seen himself yet Shirou had not. In the end even if they were closer than twin brothers and literally the same person, that was Archer's world, not Shirou's.

A reality marble is "Your world", other people can't use it, other people don't know how it works, because they are not you. If anyone could use a reality marble as long as you cut it out of the user and implant it into someone else you'd probably see it more often. If they cut part of it out and implanted it into a child, even if she was directly related to him there's still pretty much no chance she could use it.

It's not a blood related thing, it's the fact that she isn't him, it's not her world.
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>>112462249
Because than the offspring wouldn't be a Tohsaka heir
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>>112462362
So in essence, Archer's arm was a crest.
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>>112462362
Your pic only happened because the arm was killing him faster than swords could heal him.
Just having those sword heals in the crest would be usefull.
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>>112458074
Well when he was a kid his childhood friend waifu died, then his mother figure waifu died, then his loyal operator waifu died, then his retard moe waifu died.
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>>112462366
So cross that with a Tohsaka heir. Honestly, planning ahead is the basics of eugenics, anon.
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>>112462420
A crest that was overpowering his body because it came from a Heroic Spirit, but yeah, sure. Close enough.
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>>112462422
Yeah, the swords could break Rider's nail dagger so they aren't just for show.
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>>112462420
Not quite. Neither Shirou nor Archer have a magic crest to begin with. The arm was just powerful as hell because it came from a Heroic Spirit.
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>>112462537
But in essense, it did the same what a crest would. Provided knowledge, healing and power from an elder magus who has passed.
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>>112462439
>priest going for Aoi's magical womb
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>>112462594
It's only work with Shirou for being the same person and it's still almost killing him.
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>>112462456
Wait, so you want Tokiomi to produce one child who isn't the magical miracle that is Rin/Sakura, while Aoi NTRs him with Shirou to produce a miracle baby that will then breed with the inferior Tohsaka child and possibly not produce a miracle?

Why not just have Shirou bred to Rin or Sakura in the first place? The goal is to introduce better stock into your family line and improve it, so Aoi first gets you the miracle, then you get the RM crest out of Shirou and into the grandchild. You don't need him for anything else, you want him broken in the first place so he can GET his RM.
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>>112462740
Almost how like crest only work for the heirs and can still reject them.

Also, irrational need to cut it off etc. is prevalent in both.
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>>112462439
>that Assassin bitch's abs

Delicious.
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>>112462747
But the miracle womb will maximize the potential, cross that with an already high quality womb and you don't need to worry about the quality of the child.
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>>112462249
Doesn't Rin's and Sakura's blood line contain both Ore Scales and The Zenjou Sorcery Trait? Technically Imaginary Numbers is a Numbers Sorcery Trait as well, So Sakura has 3 in her bloodline

Isn't the bloodline kind of broken?
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>>112462439
Rin looks like a midget in that picture. Should be almost a head taller.
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>>112462747
Shirou's mom is clearly the better womb

Freak of nature reality marble users, and freak of nature human born with grail capabilities. Might not even have magus heritage, she just gives birth to freaks and miracles far more outstanding than Aoi.
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>>112462874
Ore scales isn't there, otherwise Sakura makes no sense.

Zenjou?
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>>112462874
Why is sakura's affinity a sorcery trait?
Did I miss something?
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>>112462874
They seemingly didn't get the ore scale sorcery trait.
Also isn't imaginary numbers just her affinity?
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>>112462940
Ore scales would have been inherited from one of the sisters from the 3rd war, the miracle womb that people are talking about is the Zenjou trait (according to F/Z materials see below), and give me a minute for the numbers

> Nevertheless, the blood flowing through their veins contains a very unique trait, which was noticed and pursued by Tohsaka Tokiomi.
> Fate/Zero material - Encyclopedia: Tohsaka Aoi [Person's name], p.100-101
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>>112462684
This
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>>112458255
>three years old
How the fuck?
I had to fucking check because I thought you were bullshitting, how has this happened?
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The only reference I've found to Sakura having imaginary numbers as a sorcery trait is on the wiki, and has no source.
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>>112463149
The wiki has also Kirei's Open Wounds as a sorcery trait, so I wouldn't take it for granted
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>>112463138
Time moves forward. We are all getting older and are waifus stay the same age, soon they wouldnt be interested in you even if they were real. Life is just too cruel
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>>112463149
Same here, I'll retract the "Imaginary Numbers is a Numbers Sorcery Trait" from >>112462874. But Still the bloodline should have 2 as mentioned >>112463064. Are they (Nasu) just glossing over the traits or something?
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>>112463198
>We are all getting older and are waifus stay the same age

I don't know how to cope with this
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>>112463265
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't.

Still, combining those two is freaking dangerous. Two heirs, both whom get maximum potential and then can have their own two heirs at max potential.

Give it a few generations and they have an insane army.
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>>112461875
>>112461895
>>112461566
I always assumed it was Shinji, he seemed to fit the description.
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>>112463275
Don't worry.

Soon you can insert yourself as all those faceless old men in the doujins
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>>112463362
Shinji or Issei
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>>112463397
I already insert into them as Shirou.
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>>112463346
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both are already in effect, Rin and Sakura are both capable of being successors and they both should have Aoi's trait considering she is their mother. I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason they both weren't successors is because Tokiomi either had no idea he inherited the trait or he had no idea how to use it
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>>112463441
And now imagine Luvia's face
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>>112462684
It's the only image I will ever need, the image of perfection
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>>112463497
Haha, Wait isn't Luvia a only child? What the hell are the Edelfelt's doing?
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>>112462684
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>>112463535
Go to bed Gawain.
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>>112462175
What would happen if Shirou made an Origin Bullet like Kiritsugu?

Would the victim start getting spiked by swords from the inside?
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>>112462684
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>>112463608
I've always wanted to see Shirou just go AAAATATATATATATATTATATATAT and then his target explodes from swording internally.

"You are already saved."
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>>112463593
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>>112463730
>two umbrellas
I love it.
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>>112461759
I dunno who handled the original FSN but Fate/Zero was dubbed by Bang Zoom! Entertainment. Here's the cast:

Kari Wahlgren as Saber
Matthew Mercer as Kiritsugu Emiya
Bridget Hoffman as Irisviel von Einzbern
Crispin Freeman as Kirei Kotomine

Carrie Keranen as Maiya Hisau
Dan Woren as Caster
David Earnest as Archer (Gil)
Doug Erholtz as Kayneth El-Melloi Archibald
Grant George as Lancer
Jamieson Price as Rider
Johnny Yong Bosch as Ryunosuke Uryu
Karen Strassman as Assassin(female)/Sola-Ui Nuada-Re Sophia-Ri
Kyle Hebert as Berserker
Liam O'Brien as Kariya Matou
Lucien Dodge as Waver Velvet
Marc Diraison as Tokiomi Tohsaka
Michelle Ruff as Aoi Tohsaka
Patrick Seitz as Assassin
Wendee Lee as Natalia Kaminski

Cristina Vee as Sakura Matou
Mela Lee as Rin Tohsaka
Michael Donovan as Risei Kotomine
Michelle Ruff as Martha Mackenzie
Stephanie Sheh as Illyasivel von Einzbern
Marianne Miller as Kiritsugu Emiya(young; eps 18-19)
Carrie Savage as Shirley(eps 18-19, 25)
Kirk Thornton as Noritaka Emiya(ep 18)
Mona Marshall as Shirou Emiya(ep 25)
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Been thinking of reading into Fate/SN Visual novel since i heard it presents alot more information and background for alot of things. I'm curious about something tough.

I read that it's also an eroge, i don't really care about that, but i know the idea is that sex or kissing is a way to tranfers out the equivalent of magic power between mages or servants? It kinda feels to me that was used as a excuse to add sex into the story, or does it actually make sense in the long run?

Also, after i'm done with it, should i read Fate zero? Or does the anime portray all that needs to be known about the 4th war?
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>>112463905

Semen is magical. I don't see a problem with this.
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>>112463905
Tantric rites and sex magic has loooong traditions. Google Aleister Crowley if you don't believe me.

Also, witches making pacts with demons and sleeping with satan for power is also an old myth.
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>>112463905
The sex feels shoehorned in in a few parts. The Realta Nua version of the game takes out the sex, but replaces them with bullshit censored equivalents.

The last route, Heaven's Feel, is fucking stupid without the sex.
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>>112463905
Using Sex as a method of transferring mana makes sense considering body fluids contain mana, Rin's sex scene makes less sense and HF is HF. So the sex makes perfect sense if anything the censored version in RN makes even less sense

F/Z anime does a good enough job as a adpation but i'd recommend reading the LNs at some point
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>>112459344
pay better attention.

Mana transfer is already a Type-Moon concept (Hisui & Kohaku are synchronizers of this type).

The recharge was to prevent Saber from vanishing completely and leaving both squshy humans vulnerable to Berserker. The Tribhle bad end shows you specifically that Saber STILL has not enough prana to kill a fly. Best she can manage is a paltry defense.

And the cluster of prana is really only good for one or two low-power Excaliblasts. Thus Saber getting her shit wrecked by Gil twice before using Avalon+Excalibur melee style to grant her an edge. It' also why Shirou has to blow his last Command Seal to have her kill the grail. She didn't have the MP remaining on her own.
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>>112463905
It's written to make sense, if that's what you're asking. Depends how you view it from there. I'd advise against skipping the scenes since they often help develop the characters further, especially those in the last route.

As far as F/Z goes, either's fine. Ideally both. The adaption cuts a couple scenes from the LN, but of course it's also animated with pretty good production values. It's certainly an entertaining watch.
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>>112464052
Rin was the one that had to make both sex rituals work. In her own case, she had to essentially write permissions for Shirou to access her soul's circulatory system, and outright stated that sex was the fastest way. Keep in mind the amount of time she poked and proded at Shirou's Artificial Phantasm in Heaven's Feel.
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>>112462684
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>>112464645
>looooong legs
>Kuzuki face
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>>112463967
>>112464000
>>112464013
>>112464052
>>112464085

Thanks, i'll give it a shot. So this Realta nua thing is like a censored version? If so i'll look for the version without it. Also are the scenes voiced?.
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>>112464713
Realta Nua has voices, but it didn't have the sex scenes. Patches usually ask whether you want to keep them, and those scenes aren't voiced.
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>>112464713
The Realta Nua was a PSP port that added voices, new CGs and new music, and removed the sex scenes. You can find versions of the patch for PC that keep all the new stuff it adds while leaving the sex scenes in, though naturally they aren't voiced.
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Left or Right?
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>>112462684
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>>112464857
So cute.
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>>112464841
Fuck that's a hard question
Left hold wormslut in check for 11 years.
But right is the only one with the purity to withstand Rin's feminine viles
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>>112464841
Both as friends.
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>>112464841
Left
>money money money
>yandere as fuck

Right
>disciplined
>PURE as fuck
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>>112459151
Anyone that knows about the type moonverse capable of explaining this? Why does he have demon eyes?
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>>112464841
I'm playing FHA right now and holy damn do they both want the D.
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>>112464985
> i am the bone of my Issei route
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Does Shinji become a good persona after UBW?
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>>112465012
That would be blood pouring out his eyes. It's pretty much covering them, so they look like that.
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>>112463905
>It kinda feels to me that was used as a excuse to add sex into the story, or does it actually make sense in the long run?

Semen used for rituals and containing mana is a pretty ancient idea in a way, goes back some centuries. It's accurate to certain studies of magic.
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>>112464645
Sometimes Shirou is an alright guy.
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>>112465106
Nope.
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>>112465106
Yes.
Atleast better than before
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>>112465126
but he has predator eyes. Even gil had those and he wasn't dying
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>>112465106
He gets better, yeah.
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>>112464841
Issei by a mile.
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>>112465148
That's pretty interesting actually... It's good to know it's not just a clever excuse used by the game. As they say sometimes reality can be weirder than fiction.
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>>112465106
>Q: In your original manuscript, does Shinji become a better person after he survives Rin’s route? And does have the potential to find happiness...?

>A: No fundamental changes, but since a great burden was lifted off his back (his obsession with sorcery), he'll probably be able to enjoy life as a fussy, loudmouthed, smarter-than-average, troublesome person.
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>>112465224
Everyone in TM has those eyes, they're just meant to convey hostility, killing intent or a sort of intense gaze.
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>>112465352
SLUUUUUUUT
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>>112464799
It's the PS2 version.

>>112464713
It's not censored. There's no TLs for the alternate scenes to the ero, as far as I know. Just, you can have them auto-skip or something in some patches. A majority of the sex scenes are shoe-horned and probably the only one worth reading would be Saber's first scene (the threesome), and then perhaps Sakura's second and final (third) scenes. The others don't give any plot or character development at all, both of Rin's scenes in particular are pretty pointless, other than Tohsaka's_Anus and Jackhammer.jpg. You really don't miss anything by skipping them.
Also, personally, I think Saber's 2nd scene is completely retarded, mostly in its execution.
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>>112465437
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>>112465505
>It's the PS2 version.
Right, yeah. I always forget which Playstation console has which port of which game.
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>>112465294
Nasu is the type where, it's accurate, but we know he's taking advantage of the fact that it "sorta happened" to use it how he needs it to work at times.

When it comes to servants they tend to think of the character first rather than the history at times. How can it work for them, rather than "Is it 100% accurate?". Although it was technically Urobuchi who said that one. If he wants to work a certain way, he'll get it to work that way. Like how Elizabeth in Extra is a virgin for plot reasons, so he just says "Well she was summoned at her peak, which was back when she was a virgin".

Everything he does has some reality or actuality to it, the servant history does have some basis for what he says no matter where he goes with it most of the time so it's "accurate", but he'll use it how he wants.
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>>112465152
I can't wait for that scene to be animated.
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>>112465635
>mfw the deen movie didn't animate that scene
Into the trash.
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>>112464841
Shinji as friend, Issei as lover
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>>112465750
>implying Shinji wouldn't take you by force anyway
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>>112465717
The DEEN movie basically removed the romance between Shirou and Rin entirely.

God that movie was shit.
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>>112465106
With the exception of his downward spiral over his inferiority complex that led to him raping Sakura, being willing to kill his entire school, ect, Shinji was never really a bad person. He is just normally a conceited jerk,
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>>112465793
Probably because that movie was meant as fanservice for people who have already read the route and wanted the highlights from it?

I got Saber x Berserker and Shirou x Archer and that's all I wanted.
Although the final fight was shit.
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>>112465893
>Shirou x Archer
That was shit, too. Not so much the quality, but the fact that they missed the whole idea behind the fight.
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>>112465893
But it wasn't even good fanservice. Saber vs Berserker is the only one with good choreography and animation, and even that was lacking compared to the original fight.
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>>112465893
But the highlights weren't good anyway. Everything was rushed and underdeveloped. It failed as a general movie, and it failed as fanservice.
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>>112461277
Just hang in there!
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>>112465893

>Friend gets interested in fate/zero because I'm talking about it with another friend
>Watches it first
>Later all the highlight clips of UBW and reads the wiki in preparation for FSN anime

dem secondaries

Or does this make him a tertiary
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>>112466103
>show friend UBW movie clip
>"oooh wat is dis"
>explain to him
>he gets FSN and reads it
>we watch FZ together
>watched the Ufotable UBW+HF announcement stream together
bros4lyfe
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>>112463853
My friend was watching the dub and I caught the last few episodes. Man I love Crispin Freeman.
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>>112466103
>>Friend
>>112466190
>>show friend
>>112466272
>My friend

What the fuck is happening? Three in a row, my god.
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>>112466103
>reads the wiki
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>>112465785
Friend with benefits, then.
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>>112466103
Secondary is someone who reads secondary material to begin with, and never reads anything beyond that, while acting smug about it and asking to be hand-fed the answers for other shit when it's right there in the original material.

Mostly just the first two points really, someone who starts with secondary material and never reads beyond that. You aren't a secondary if you start out with something secondary, and then read everything you can with the original and verse yourself with it by most definitions. Long as you aren't being a dick about it there's nothing wrong trying to learn more and correct yourself.

Anyone that reads a wiki for the material and acts like an expert sounds like more of a tertiary for the most part. It makes you one of the worst type of posters if you come into a conversation like you know shit.
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>>112466190
>watched KnK with mom
>watched FZ with mom
>she reads Fate route in VN (all age version)
>she waiting UBW and HF anime
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>>112466591
Did you fuck her?
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>>112466591

I'm envious

>Mom hates all anime for some retarded reason
>Dad thinks its for faggots and watches the world tournament of every major sport simply to talk about it with coworkers
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>>112466591
Did you ask her who best girl was?
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>>112465956
They knew the idea, but they couldn't adapt it properly to an animated medium for a multitude of reasons.

>>112465999
I disagree. I enjoyed both fights and some of the scenes.

>>112466008
I don't think it failed as fanservice. It made a decent hit at the box office and recouped its costs.

>>112466103
>F/Z babbies
It's all your fault. Start them out with F/SN you retard.
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>>112466409
It is possible though, and common even for this fanbase, for someone to read the original work after watching F/Z and continue to act like a secondary as they didn't understand anything.
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>>112466311
Some people have friends, Anon.
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>>112466883
You'll find a lot of these people do stupid shit like skipping HF because they don't like Sakura. They're pretty easy to spot, at least.
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>>112467069
I read HF and I still hated Sakura and how Shirou ended up with her.

What now?
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>>112467104
>I read HF and I still hated Sakura and how Shirou ended up with her.
Why?
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>>112466808
>I don't think it failed as fanservice. It made a decent hit at the box office and recouped its costs.

So if a movie makes money, it's good?
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>>112467104
Then you at least read the work, maybe your hate comes from an informed place, which is good.
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>>112467104
Do you tell people the F/Z is better then F/SN or that Mind of Steel is best end?
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>>112459213
Is he okay?
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>>112467200
>or that Mind of Steel is best end?
I still can't believe just how many people think MoS is anything other than a bad end and somehow miss the entire point of both Heaven's Feel as a route and Shirou as a character.
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>>112467369
Then you're alright.
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>>112467163
She's an unlikeable shit
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>>112467538
Okay,
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>>112467369
I'm still wondering whether killing Sakura after finding out she's the shadow would have been a bad end if Rider hadn't killed you.
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>>112467594
Yes.

He's gone full Kerry, but unlike Kerry he's not just gonna go "Boohoo dun wanna kill people" he'll be literally dying inside.
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>>112467594
At that point even Sakura wanted you to kill her. I doubt Rider would have let you out of the house alive though.
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>>112467683
Well the same is happenign when he doesn't kill her.
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>>112467200
>>112467369
I still don't how you can kill Sakura in the MOS ending when Rider is still around.
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>>112467797

Don't worry some shitter fanfic fag has you covered, it involves Shirou seducing Rin and having her kill Sakura
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>>112467797
Rin killed Sakura in MoS
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>>112467879
I'm not sure since it's a long time ago but isn't Geass bad end basicaly Rin's version of MoS?
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>>112467879
I still can't get over the stupidity and delusion of that anon.
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>>112467951
I mean I enjoy using MoS as a joke but seriously defending it just crosses deep into fanfiction.
Especialy since we have no clue at all what's going to happen
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>>112465012
He basically got that pissed that he turned into a evil spirit as he died.
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>>112468086
>just crosses deep into fanfiction.
Which is why it's so popular
It's basically replacing Shirou with Kerry.
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>>112468175
What a faggot.
This is what a real hero does after killing himself
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>>112468212
I simply don't understand. The entire point of both Zero and Heaven's Feel were to highlight the flaws in Kerry's ideals. How can you miss the point this hard?
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>>112468318
I highly doubt that HF was there to show flaws in kerry's ideal
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>>112467179
From a money making pov, of course it is.
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>>112468318
People like Kerry's ideals because "muh utilitarism".
It's basically the new edgy.
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>>112468086
He's going to lose, a lot of suffering.
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>>112467683
Actualy when you chose not to kill Sakura he states himself that he betrayed himself and his ideal
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>>112468484
Yeah, but going MoS has him killing constantly. Sakura isn't special in that regard, he hates killing anybody.

Also, to any delusional niggas who think Fate or UBW Shirou would go Mind of Steel.
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>>112468405
What, totalitarian utilitarian approaches are so popular now?
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>>112468300
Yes, there are clearly two kinds of Lancers.
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>>112462684
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>>112468459
I'm not speaking about MoS here.
It's after he finds out that Sakura is the shadow.
Even she wanted him to kill her
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>>112468392
But how can you acquaint box office returns to quality fanservice?
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>>112468405
I actually like Kerry's ideals too, particularly why he thinks like that in the first place. I think he's an incredibly interesting character, but the works highlight how flawed his dream is and MoS itself is written off clearly as a bad end.
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>>112468588
Couldn't she have ordered Rider with a command spell to allow Shirou to kill her?
If that's the case, she probably still wanted to live at that point.
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>>112468658
Shirou's ideals in UBW are probably the best execution of Kerry's ideals. He sees the beauty in wanting to save everyone, but not to the point of compromising himself and those he cares about.
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>>112468739
>Command spells

She had non left, Shinji took 2 and the 3rd was used to protect Shirou irrc
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>>112468565
What the hell did happen to Vlad
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>>112468898
The worst thing possible thing that could happen to him happened
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>>112468898
He took the whole effect of the Lancer curse after fighting Karna, his Master used command spells to force him into use his vampire NP and then fuse with him. He also cried a lot during all of it.

And at last, he was exorcised by Shirou.
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>>112466409
>Secondary is someone who reads secondary material to begin with, and never reads anything beyond that
That's not what a secondary is at all. A secondary is a secondary fan, a fan of the fandom rather than the original work. The term is only loosely applied in the case of anime-only Fate fans in the sense that they don't actually care enough about Fate to read the source material and only want to watch the anime to be apart of a fad, so they are like secondaries in that sense.
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>>112466591
I've been showing the fate series to my imouto. She was like 12 when f/z was airing. We were watching Illya together too, but then everyone started kissing each other and I had to use my better judgement.
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>>112468838
Wait if she had none how did she still have Rider? Raw mana?
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>>112469384
Rape?
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>>112469398
The connection is still in place without command spells you know. The servants just have no reason to follow orders without the command spells existing
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>>112469384
Only Nasuverse I have exposed my 11 year old imouto to was Carnival Phantasm. She found the VN on my PC herself and tried reading it. Got through the intro (up to day 3?) and stopped.
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>>112469384
Did she ask to practice kissing with you?
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>>112462039
who is that woman? gilgamesh never had a female companion
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>>112469688
>Woman
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What do molluscs taste like?
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>>112469688
Enkidurr. A shapeshifting weapon.
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>>112469688
That's Enkidu, his boyfriend.
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FF Gil > Fate Gil
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>>112469752
>merely pretending
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>>112469721
Like Sakura's pussy
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>>112469562
That's one of those situations where I ask who she wanted to practice for and it was me all along right? Maybe if I were also a little girl.
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>>112463198
Damn, I've always liked this picture but Rin is too damn tall.
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>>112469721
Sweet salty something.
Can't remember now. I can remember the river smell though, they were from the bottom of the river.
They're arousing for some reason.
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>>112469711
>>112469732
>>112469736
why they had to depict him as a woman? just for muh feelings plot

enkidu was a man and half beast
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>>112469922
>why they had to depict him as a woman?
heterosexuality.
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>>112469797
Do you fantasize about kissing your imouto often?
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>>112469922
He's androgynous.
Probably because that sells.
I mean, Gil was a big bruiser, darker skin, darker hair and King Arthur, well, you get the idea.
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>>112469922
You might be asking this about the wrong franchise. Pic related, it's the King of Knights.
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>>112469922
Same reason Gil and Alexander swapped bodies.
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>>112469922
There's also this version of Enkidu aka borwnkidu
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>>112469922
>>112469977
He's not a women, he's a homunculus built by the divine types as described in the story.

he has no gender as directly stated, he's a shapeshifter that can become anything near instantly.

The reason for the green haired form is because he stole the form of a prostitute when he first went to go meet Gilgamesh, and took an interest in that form since it's the first one he met Gilgamesh with.

Nothing says he has all the gender bits down correctly, it might be more of an outward shift, or if he studied it enough.
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>>112463853
Bang Zoom dubbed Fate/stay night, Unlimited Blade Works and Fate/Zero.

They've always used Mela Lee for Rin, I hate when they change VAs.
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>>112470088
It's not that people have to like Nasu's Enkidu or that he has to stay in one form

However Brownkidu is as fanon as it gets, it's not "There's another version, yo", rather that's entirely a fan creation.
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>>112470130
Rin's dub voice is terrible. The UBW dub is gonna be terrible if they keep her.
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>>112469922
>>112469977
>>112469688
http://pastebin.com/cMSheD4R

http://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/entry-111-someone-elses-dream/

Read up
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>>112469922
It's how Shamhat looked. He never saw his reflection so he dind't know how he really looked and basically copied her
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>>112470055
Not particularly. I fap to imoutos because I like flat chests, and the two are usually synonymous. My own may have the body type, but she's kinda crazy.
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>>112468318
They were about highlighting the flaws of the person, not the ideals themselves. How can you miss the point that hard?
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>>112470287
Dubs are going to be terrible if they keep making them.
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>>112470364
Why didn't he just turn himself into a mirror?
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>>112470461
There are some half decent dubs. None that I'm aware of for anything Type Moon related, though.
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>>112470472
>Why didn't he just turn himself into a mirror?
I like your thinking
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>>112470364
Even in the myth he wore her clothes when he went to meet Gilgamesh(take that to mean his figure was similar enough if you want), and she cleaned him up to make him seem more human

Nasu just took it a bit further with the method he used to become cleaned up.
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>>112458074
>How can one person be such a glorious asshole?
You should see Sakura's asshole after the worms were done with her.
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>>112458740
>Kerry cries
She's a tool, not a real person.
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>>112470729
Don't forget the fire bath.
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>>112470684
We all know if it's assholes we're talking about, it's Rin.

[spoilerTohsaka's anus[/spoiler]
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>>112470416
Don't you feel funny in your special place when she cuddles with you while watching animu together?
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>>112470801
So much fail
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>>112470416
What kind of crazy?
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>>112470729
Kerry cries at everything.
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hear me out

Fate/stay night, League of legends version

Faker has zed as assassin servant
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I like Mind of Steel
Not for Shitrou or Sakura or HF in general, just for based Kotomine
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>>112470927
Is this a foreshadowing of how absolutely dogshit threads when the anime airs will be
Kill yourself
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>>112470729
Kerry is a crybaby who cries into his wife's bussom every night.
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>>112470927
>LoL
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I wonder if Hercules could've curbstomped everyone had he been summoned as a Saber or Archer or something. Hercules has gotta be one of the toughest Servants overall.
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>>112470927
DotA2 did it first.

http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1308547
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>>112471002
Are you implying the threads aren't already dogshit?
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>>112471002
>Is this a foreshadowing of how absolutely dogshit threads when the anime airs will be
Oh my god. It is, isn't it?
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>>112471072
not what i meant for mixing them together
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>>112471066
Strongest class is noted to be Archer, but not for a "Because his NP is..." reason like some think. It's because he always solved his labors with intelligence and skill, and Independent Action and Archer skills work best for this method.
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>>112460745
>>112459312
ok who brought the retards?
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>>112470944
MoS = A couple lines from Kotomine at best
Rest of the route = Kotomine finds his soul mate, and the end up fisting each other in front of the devil.

If you want Kotomine, the choice seems clear.
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>>112470870
Like rage fits crazy. She shy, loud, and toxic, it's weird.
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>>112471164
Too bad he's too noble to sit back and let Illya be sacrificed as the Grail. Once he finds out what's happening he'd fuck up the Grail War to save his Master.
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>>112471249
>Rest of the route = Kotomine finds his soul mate
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>>112463198
Why is the single wink always so generic. This picture would have been infinitely more adorable without the winks.
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I was glancing through the thread and I started wondering how you people got so well versed in the magic systems of the Nasuverse? I've gone through all of the main installments of Fate, Tsukihime, and Kara no Kyoukai, a decent chunk of the spinoffs, and I'm learning Moon for Fate/Extra CCC and Mahoyo, yet I just barely have a basic knowledge how Magic works in TYPE-MOON.

Is there something I'm missing that fills in all the blanks or have I already read it and I'm just being a retard?
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>>112471983
Question time with Nasu, theres a PDF of a TYPE-MOON encylopedia that i dont have the link too, someone should have it if you ask, and loads of other small stuff that he releases, half of which is untranslated
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>>112471983
I'm pretty sure Fate goes pretty in-depth into most of it. There are translated portions of some of the material books, but they don't cover much that hasn't already been elaborated on. I would say you just forgot some of the infodumps.
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>>112470927
>playing KeK
Fuck off, casual shitter

>>112471066
Heracles would've crushed literally everyone, including Gil, had he been sane.
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>>112458217
Don't come to /a/ if you ever want to watch an anime late.
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>>112471983
Try interviews

http://completematerial.pbworks.com/w/page/34267021/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions

http://tatari.byethost33.com/fuyuki/totallyunofficialpowerrankings.htm
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Whats nasu?
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Okay, so I'm reading FHA and I'm beginning to understand why mirror moon didn't translate it. It's nothing but slice of life with irrelevant characters and Shirou having spooky spooky feelings and ignoring obviously distressing signs.
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>>112472224
A Mushroom
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>>112462365
Not all RMs function that way; I seem to remember that Nrvnqsr didn't develop his on his own but was somehow given it by a past Roa. On the other hand, Roa may have just taught him the method of absorbing beasts into his body and Nrvnqsr turned it into a full-fledged RM himself, I'd have to reread Tsukihime to make sure of what exactly was said when it covered that stuff.

>>112462439
> loli Rin's arms
Goddammit Takeuchi.

>>112465505
> There's no TLs for the alternate scenes to the ero, as far as I know.
Really? So we can't read about how Saber's no-circuits-needed dragon core works?

>>112468539
And this is why Mind of Steel is a bad end. Not killing Sakura may have been a betrayal of Shirou's ideal, but killing Sakura would also have been.

>>112469977
> Yellow snow
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>>112471983
There is a whole section in the Complete Material III that explains how magic works.
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>>112472287
>And this is why Mind of Steel is a bad end. Not killing Sakura may have been a betrayal of Shirou's ideal, but killing Sakura would also have been.
And this is why UBW is a better route.
And you also get to visit London.
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>>112472330
> And you also get to visit London.
Except the route ends before you actually get there, you have to play Hollow Ataraxia to get a followup.
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>>112472414
but HA is shit
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>>112472414
At least there's a picture.
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where were you when Luvia was kill?
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>>112472106
Heracles can't do a thing to Gil as long as he doesn't go into retard mode.
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>>112472287
>Not killing Sakura may have been a betrayal of Shirou's ideal, but killing Sakura would also have been.

Not killing Sakura that point wasn't "Fifty people are immediately going to die" in that sense, he didn't even know she was Shadow. He just thought "Well maybe Zouken can control her to do something and people might get hurt, I can't take that, it's easier to kill her".

If he doesn't kill Sakura he protects her, and tries to save the town as well, thus trying to save everyone even if Ideals have to die in the process because his ideals don't want him to take chances like that, he has to end problems quickly. Trying to save everyone is much closer to his ideals than "Kill anyone who gets in the way at the first chance you get, and maybe save the rest".

If you protect ideals then all you can save is ideals in the end, but if you try to save people instead, you'll save people.
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>>112472492
I think this is the first time I've heard someone call HA shit. Plenty of time I've seen people arguing about it's relevance in canon but this is the first time I've heard someone talk it down, weird.
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>>112472626
must be just my shit taste then i guess
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>>112472626
I've tried to slog through it for the past two days, when I've read through entire route in FSN in one sitting.

The sol is killing me.
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Heaven's Feel = Loli harems
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>>112472414
Actually HA is more a followup to the other routes with Rin going alone. Unless you are talking about that parallel world with the Fem casino.
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>>112472567
Gil is always in jobber mode.
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>>112472689
Why would you be playing it then? The SoL is exactly the reason why people play HA.
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>>112472735
Not in Zero or CCC.
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>>112472735
Not in CCC

Although he does start out all E rank stats to balance things out

Sleeping in a pile of junk for 2000 years caused him to rust
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>>112472527
What the hell are you talking about?
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>>112472746
Because Bazett is interesting, because there might be nuggets worth knowing there, because it's Fate.
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>>112472414
>>112472330
Still hoping we get some kind of Clocktower follow-up if the UBW anime is popular.
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>>112472835
Goof enough reason. Power trough, then.Not all of it is quite bad, there are some interesting insights about some characters here and there. Like Sakura talking about the time Rin gave her the ribbon she always wears or Taiga and Shirou talking about Kerry.
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>>112472756
>Not in Zero
Then how did Lancelot manage to bust up his Vimana and survive?
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>>112472057
I see. Does anyone have it?

>>112472183
Much appreciated. The Theory of Magic section sounds like what I'd be looking for though and it looks like its not translated.

>>112472318
Do you happen to have a link to that?

>>112472058
I might have, yeah.
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>>112473041
Gil wasn't jobbing, he was just sluttying it up and not concentrating.
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>>112473083
Sure thing, goldie.
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>>112473042
>and it looks like its not translated.

Keep looking around that site
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>>112473041
>Then how did Lancelot manage to bust up his Vimana and survive?

Lancelot is pretty strong. It's mentions that Viamma wasn't destroyed in the novel, just taken out of the action

Lancelot is pretty lucky and strong to survive repeatedly against a lot of things
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>>112473313
What a cow.
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>>112473153
It's not supposed to be this is it? Because the page is blank.

http://completematerial.pbworks.com/w/page/41198490/Theory%20of%20Magic
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>>112459073
>thosakas anus
>educated prostitue
>thosaka goes from bitch to horny bisexual slut in three secounds flat

these sex scenes are pure comedy gold.
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>>112473534
Check the unsorted contents pages, though the thing about elephants is a joke.

Also this

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NEZzQsil7Zgkajr6ESYIoW1JNN6aeBuG4kE2SZWghXw/edit?pli=1#heading=h.niw9sepafw6o
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>>112473773
I'm disappointed that the thing about Sakura Saber's overcoat giving a tuberculosis nerf to any enemy that touched it was also a joke. It sounded pretty neat given Sakura Saber's identity.
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How the hell did the priest end up winning by default anyways? Seems like a cop out
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>>112473994
It was a bit retarded.
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why didnt shirou just turn angra mainyu into a sword?
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>>112474071
No more than David's box that instakills anybody who touches it without permission.
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>>112458074
What does /a/ think of allies of justice?
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>>112459818
Isn't it lampshaded as being more than just a few units? It's outright stated magi sell their sperm to the association because it's so jam full of prana.
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>>112474155
Because Soul Calibur.
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>>112474242
Yes, that is why he was scrapped.
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>>112474242
You are not really comparing the power of God to TB, right?
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>>112474242
That literally happened in the Bible, several times

The Ark of the Covenant has killed more than a few just by touching it improperly..
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>>112472585
>If you protect ideals then all you can save is ideals in the end, but if you try to save people instead, you'll save people.

But in HF Shirou does neither. He abandons his ideal and condemns innocent people to death just for the sake of saving Sakura.
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>>112473514
Get a better ride.
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>prefering an American mongrel over Jouji Nakata
Why?
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>>112474483
He doesn't protect ideals, he abandons ideals in order to save people, namely Sakura, but even Kotomine says he was trying to have it both ways by also patrolling the town every night and protecting people from Shadow.

He chose to protect people, and indeed Sakura and people were saved.

In MoS he protected ideals over people, and that's all he had in the end. In neither ending does it say that the result was quite right in some ways, but it's more towards what he was geared towards in each.
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>>112474260

They're fine, once they learn to be realistic.

I love they presented no middle-ground at all. You either be a ridiculously naive idealist, or a grim dark monster.

God forbid there be a middle-ground where you learn to temper wanting to do good with making some hard choices.
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>>112474554
what is the name of that legendary beast?
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>>112474616
UBW presented that exact option of Shirou though.
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>>112474616
Middle Ground is the one thing you'll never find once super heroes are mentioned
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>>112474616
Unlimited Blade Works Shirou would like a word with you
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>>112474678
for Shirou*
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>>112474592
Jakku Bauer > all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga4nNSqsYp0
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All right, I watched Fate/Zero and read the three routes of Stay Night
What's next? There's other stories from what I gather, apocrypha and extra I think.
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>>112474616
UBW Shirou for once.
It's that why I prefer it to HF.
They are close but I like UBW's message more
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>>112474719
That's worse than both.
He's knows a delusional child, he knows he's wrong, but he keeps going anyway.
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>>112474744
That isn't Nakata but it's fine.
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>>112474799
>I like UBW's message more
Even when your ideal is clearly wrong and you yourself know it is, fuck it and stick to it anyway?
Great message, fits someone on /a/ perfectly.
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>>112474851
>>112474807
Sometimes I question /a/'s reading comprehension
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>>112474780
You're off to a good start
This has it in detail but yes, Apocrypha is a LN series and Extra is a game. strange fake is also a LN by the guy who wrote Baccano.
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>>112474851
UBW is seeing the beauty in wanting to save everyone, but knowing there are limits. Shirou will try his best to be a hero, but he won't compromise himself over his ideal.
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>>112474615
>He doesn't protect ideals, he abandons ideals in order to save people, namely Sakura,
Then he’s not saving “people” he’s saving “a person.”

>He chose to protect people, and indeed Sakura and people were saved.
He didn't WANT innocents to die but he still places Sakura over them. When he's holding the knife over her as far as he knows if he doesn't go through then many innocent people will die in a matter of hours. He still doesn't go through with it. The fact that people didn't actually die is irrelevant, because Shirou was willing to let them die anyway.
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>>112474913

Why the fuck couldn't his caretaker figure that out? He seemed like a smart guy.
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>>112474922
>Then he’s not saving “people” he’s saving “a person.”

Wrong, he saved the town and world from Angya Manyu, people were saved all over the place. Potentially billions were saved at most.

>The fact that people didn't actually die is irrelevant, because Shirou was willing to let them die anyway.

He just chose to believe in Sakura that night, and take a chance with her, because he literally couldn't kill her anymore. Still he believed she wouldn't do it.
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>>112474851
>Even when your ideal is clearly wrong

I can't even fathom how warped someone would have to be to say this with a straight face.

What kind of terrible person are you in real life?
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>>112474983
Well he didn't have a falling out with his future version
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>>112474910
>no DDD
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>>112475036
>What kind of terrible person are you in real life?
An hypomanic asshole.
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>>112475036
Maybe he's Kirei
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>>112474910
Thank you kind anon. I'll do the tiger dojos first, I didn't know going through the bad ends had some use.
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The flaw in Kerry's ideals is that saving lives was just a numbers game for him; F/Z's ending pounded out how painfully dumb that idea is, and in the end Kerry lost everything for it and was left a broken man.

Archer's problem was that he neglected himself to follow his ideals; he was selfless to the point of where it caused his own death, ultimately created his own personal hell by becoming a counter guardian.

UBW was all about Shirou learning to tone that shit down and don't go full retard. Care for others, but don't forget yourself and your loved ones.
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>>112461686
Agreed. I would even go so far as to say Dub saber was far better .
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>>112475523
He's not so cured that he cares about himself at all, as UBW isn't called an answer route yet.

Rather he left it up to Rin at present, to hopefully steer him in the right direction if he should go off the rails a bit. HF shows an offhand way he can care about himself, as Sakura needs him alive to function, and thus he needs to come back home alive each time. UBW though it'll still take some time and effort to drill something in.
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>>112475523
>F/Z's ending pounded out how painfully dumb that idea is, and in the end Kerry lost everything for it and was left a broken man.

What the hell was he supposed to do? Accept the grail and kill off billions just so he could be with his family? Kerry may have done some dumb things in his life but the end of F/Z was one of the few times he was unquestionably in the right. Just because it was hard for him doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision.
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>>112475731
>as UBW isn't called an answer route yet.
I'm pretty sure I saw a quote that called Fate the question and both UBW and HF answers.
Or are you refering to some other quote?
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>>112475731
>as UBW isn't called an answer route yet

I thought UBW and HF were both answers, and Fate presented the question?
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>>112475731
>as UBW isn't called an answer route yet

>"As the theme of Fate/stay night, if we assume the Saber route to be posing a question, the Rin route is the answer and the Sakura route is a practical application."
>The Rin route is the answer
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>>112475759
What he did at the very end wasn't the problem, it was more the way he lived his life up to that point where the foundation of his self was shaken.
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>>112475827
I'm not even sure if this is the right one, but I'm posting it
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>>112475523
>UBW was all about Shirou learning to tone that shit down and don't go full retard. Care for others, but don't forget yourself and your loved ones.
And also learning to NEVER EVER become a Counter Guardian. EVER.
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>>112475759
But anon, don't you know? Living for the sake of others and trying to help people you don't even know is a dumb idea. Haven't you ever noticed how charity workers are some of the most miserable people around?
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Know what i liked about Fate/Zero?
Gilgamesh.
He wasnt a total asshole like he normally is. Dude respected the fuck out of Rider, so much to the point he used Ea on him. Also he fucking spared Waver becuase Waver was loyal as fuck. How Based do you have to be? Also this nigga brought his own wine and shared it.
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>>112475931
It says there that HF presents another resolution, which means it's not the only answer.
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>>112458255
Spoilers are to not spoil another viewer, have some decency and compassion, its not hard to click on spoiler images.
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>>112476153
Sakura is a worm infested slut.
Rin is a cunt.
Saibah is King Arthur.
Red Man is Shirou
Gilgamesh is actually a heart surgeon
Nagisa dies.
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>>112476050
He's pretty bro in CCC and Prisma Illya as well.
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>>112476050
Waver was lucky as shit. If he still had the Command Seals, he'd be dead. If he didn't make eye contact, dead. Whimpered like a bitch? Oh he'd be so dead. He did everything just right.
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>>112476216
Sorry m8, i've seen F/Z with /b/ when it aired, no trying to spoil the spoiled goods.
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>>112458074
Kiritsugu a shit master.
Kiritsugu a shit father.
Kiritsugu a shit husband.
Kiritsugu a shit son.
Kiritsugu worse than Kirino.
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>>112476346
>Kiritsugu worse than Kirino.
Let's not get carried away.
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>>112476050
He's at his best in CCC, in either term

>>112476280
This is also true in the novel. Gilgamesh noted that if Waver so much as looked away or hesitated he was dead.
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>>112462439
>Sola-Ui rubbing up against Ryuunosuke
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>>112476422
http://pastebin.com/cMSheD4R

Flashback with Enkidu alone was pretty best
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>>112476499
>tfw Gilgamesh wont be in a grail war where he has to fight against Enkidu
I want this to happen so bad.
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>>112476676
Don't you know about Strange Fake?
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>>112476676
Fate/Strange

How out of the loop are you?

It's getting a manga and novel
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>>112476676
>>tfw Gilgamesh wont be in a grail war where he has to fight against Enkidu
Fate/Strange?
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>>112474744
Just imagine Jack as a magus, even with Kerrytugu powers only.
That's wonderful.
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>>112477075
I wish Kellytugu would push people against the wall and shout at them.
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>>112476748
>>112476766
>>112476769
My day is made, thanks.
I stopped paying attention to FATE for a while honestly. I personally with Type-Moon would give Tsukihime more attention. I want more Carnival or a Melty Blood Anime.
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>>112477187
UBW and HF anime coming up
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>>112477215
That i did know. I'm not that far behind, but thank you all the same.
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