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>http://www.typemoon.org/bbb/diary/index.html#27
>Nasu: I said that I won't write any more Fate. I lied.
http://www.fate-go.jp/
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>IOS/Android

Dropped.
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Heard it plays like Dark Souls cause Nasu wanted to make its own Souls game.
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>>111241002
So it's not going to be another turn-based thing like Extra? Because I found that pretty tedious

Why mobiles though
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>>111241064
They were planning to make it on Vita but console flopped
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>>111241064
Mobile gaming is the future. It's already better than console. Accept the future anon.
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>>111241125
>It's already better than console
That's not saying much since consoles are all cinematic trash.
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>>111241093
You should post a source when saying things like that.
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>>111241150
the only thing bothering me about gaming in phones or tabs is the genres involved. Can anyone really give me a good Mobile RPG?
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>>111240908
>>Nasu: I said that I won't write any more Fate. I lied.

That's honestly a good way to say it in the end, it's hard to really fault him when he just comes out and says it.
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>>111241125
>Accept the future anon
As long as shit remains emulatable that's all I care about

>>111241150
>cinematic trash
/v/ pls, that's the whole industry
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>>111241154
I work for Type-Moon.

Why do you think they released Realta Nua and Hollow on Vita? Then Nasu said he doesn't want to buy a memory card since they're expensive as shit and he chose to make it mobile.
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More Saber
More money
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>>111241168
Dragon Quest 7
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>>111241189
Nasu is getting desperate. The only thing from him that sells really good are tr Fate titles.
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Reminder that if it wasn't for Demon Souls Tsukihime Remake would've been finished long time ago.
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>>111241232
Desperate.Your turn.
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>>111241232
He's still working on Tsukihime, but Fate's recent BOOM due to Fate/Zero is encouraging him to keep going, not to mention Ufotable asking to do the rest of the series along with Narita which means four new Fate series coming out at once, so guess what put on the back-burner just a bit more now. With all that shit coming back it's practically begging for him to get back involved again.

The April Fool's thing shows Tsuki is still a thing, but one of them is clearly winning at the moment.
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>>111241247
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>>111241232
>desperate

For what, money? I think if Nasu really wanted to he could do whatever he wanted and he'd get by.
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>>111241247
what
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>>111241417
>He doesn't know
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The prediction made by this image was right in the end
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>>111241292
Quit screwing around.
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>>111241465
Except for >it's spring again

Ilya on the HF key visual pretty much confirms True End.
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>>111241417
He became so obsessed with the Souls games he played nonstop without doing shit all day.
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>>111241247
I can't blame Nasu. Demon's Souls is one of my favorite games of all time.
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>>111241558
They even talk about it in one of the april fools Type Moon videos.
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>>111241627
>>111241558
Shit, didn't know about that. Well, kinda sucks but at least he has better taste than Miura.
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>>111241247
One day I'll play Demon's Souls, until then I'll remain clueless about 99% of what's in the game.

Also, who here knows a good way to get around the region blocker for Google Play store? May as well set it all up now, instead of waiting for when the games are released and missing out.
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>>111241725
Just do this

Google the app name + apk.


There, enjoy all the apps you want.
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>>111241725
All you need to know about Demon's Souls is that Yurt is a bro.
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>Nasu will never use all the stuff he learn playing Souls games to make Tsukihime 2

Why even live?
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>>111241744
But doesn't that mean that every time the game updates I have to download a newly uploaded apk?
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>>111241872
Is the game going to be online?
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>>111241843
To see what other shit Nasu produces in his valiant bid to stop the Remake or Tsukihime 2 from ever happening.

I mean, last time he sat down to write a bonus chapter for Rakkyo, he produced a short novella.
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>>111241907
Says it is a RPG and a reboot of the Fate Online Project... So, yes?
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>>111241843
He will though, he's already included some Dark Souls references in CCC
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>>111241872
For SOME apps I mean LLSIF I think I only had to do that once or twice, not every update.
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>>111241981
Which one is it?
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>>111242153

see
>>111241342
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>>111241981
Multiple? I only know of the Gwynevere one. What are the others?
>>111242067
Wait, that was released worldwide, though. Wasn't it?

Also, I am out of date. Is there an active/completed translation for CCC anywhere?
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>>111242184
I played on JP though.
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Fuck Fate, fuck Tsukihime. I just want some motherfucking Girl's Work.
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>>111242246
Girls' Work never. Meteor is just Nasu's bitch.
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>>111242246
>Caring about Type Moon stuff that isn't Nasu's shit
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>>111241247
That is the best possible excuse anyone could ever have for not finishing their work.
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>>111241232
He doesnt' really need to make money
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Tsukihime 2 will be a videogame made by From Software.

You heard it here first.
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I wanted Mizuki Nana to voice Jeanne.
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>>111242173
How is this a ds reference?
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>>111242488
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>>111242483
Who voice Jeanne in the trailer?
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>>111242374
>Not caring about Type Moon stuff by author of Kusarihime or Forest.
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>>111242184
>Karna:: …I’m sorry, but you’ll have to go for now. Is appears Jinako is presently busy with lopping the tail from a gigantic dragon.
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>>111242558
Nasu made them his bitch.
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>>111242546
There is suspicion at Maaya Sakamoto.
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>>111242558
>implying you've read kusarihime
It's not even that good, it's just hyped by some idiots because muh writing
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>>111242546
That was pretty clearly Maaya Sakamoto.
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>>111242572
Poor Meteor, he didn't deserve this. He is much more interesting writer than Nasu.
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>>111242558
Hiraku Sakurai > Meteo Hoshizora.
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>>111242629
You have shit taste.
http://youtu.be/poTOnAIelRE
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>>111242661
Nasu made Hikaru his bitch too.
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It doesn't matter what you write. When you're Nasu's bitch nothing matters.
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>>111242814
But Nasu is Takeuchi's bitch, right?
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Why can't he write works in the Tsukihime/KnK-verse?
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>>111242784
This reminds me that she works on Grand Order too.
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>>111242865
Same person with split personality.
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>>111242865
No, he is his husbando.
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>>111242865
I heard Takeuchi dresses Nasu as maid seiba and fucks him in front of everyone.
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>>111242871
What, like Mahoyo?
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>not turning it into a Schwarzenegger parody

Sasuga Nasu, retarded and unwitty as always
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>>111242716
This is not how you're supposed to contest my statement.
While I've never said anything about the ost nor the writing which are in fact good the story is just a mess and the author chose to change everything at the end because fuck the readers.
You can say it's an important title for most of the contemporary writers took inspiration from it but it's not really that good
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>>111242925
Nasu is fucking retarded

>Most expensive project to date
>no choices
>no voices
>no sex scenes
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>>111242971
>no sex scene
He doesn't need them to sell
>no voice
Who cares about the voice
>no choices
Who cares about the choices
It's one of the best novel quality wise so I don't see the reason to complain about it
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>>111242971
Nasu was finally happy he could just make a story with pretty pictures and not have to worry about pandering to otakus for sales.
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>>111240908
>Takeuchi is doing art direction
>can't color his shit, barely improves, inferior as artist to the most people on that list
What is "art direction"
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>iOS or portable shit
Why.
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When will we get a pstriple game about Shirou becoming a counter guardian?
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>>111243024
>Who cares about the voice
I care about the voices.

Voices are part of what make visual novels worth reading. They're part book, part audiobook/drama CD, and part picture book. Removing the voices is a pretty big blow.
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>>111242971
>no sex scenes
Only neckbeards want Nasu sex scenes, they're terrible. If you want to fap, read porn, there are lots of great doujin authors.
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>>111243139
Nasu's VN aren't the same without sex scenes. I hope they don't remove the rape in Tsukihime remake.
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>>111243173
Has there been any word yet on whether Tsukihime will be 18+ or all ages?

Nasu's old art was shit, with his newest colorists on the job, official h-scenes would be amazing.
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>>111243045
I think all that people will design the Heroic Spirits, so there would be probably lots of different artstyles in the game. Something like the original Apocrypha.

Seeing at who is working on it, we can deduce some Heroic Spirits that will appear too.
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>>111243082
Never, because that would give Archer backstory, and Archer's past is the one thing Nasu will never talk about.
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>>111243213
>Nasu's old art
I meant Takeuchi. Brainfart.
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>>111243213
>newest colorists on the job
Koyama is there since Kagetsu Tohya. He is hardly "new."
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>>111243239
Well either way, the coloring in particular has improved dramatically, but so has the art in general.
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>>111243218
List or artists:I-?, Ain Cross, Sougetsu Takao (TYPE-MOON), AKIRA, Azusa, Ishida Akira, Okazaki Takeshi, okojo, Ginka, Konoe Ototsugu, Koyama Hirokazu (TYPE-MOON), Sakamoto MineG, Sasaki Shounen, Shima Udon (TYPE-MOON),?Shima Doriru, Kaetsu (TYPE-MOON), Shirabii, Sinjiro, Sumiei, Taiki, Takahashi Keitarou, Takayama Kisai, Takenoko Seijin, Tasukuouna, danciao, Chuuou Higashiguchi, Tenkuusufia, Nakahara,?Namaniku ATK (Nitroplus), pako, Bsuke, Hidari, Hiroe Rei, Hiroyama Hiroshi, PFALZ, Fukumaru Mochi, huke, BLACK (TYPE-MOON), BUNBUN, Maeda Hirotaka, Mata, Matsu Ryuu, Miwa Shirou, Morii Shidzuki, Moriyama Daisuke, Yamanaka Kotetsu, RAITA, Ryota-H, Rin Kususaga, Rco Wada
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>>111243339
Who of that people designed Servants previously?
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>>111243218

>raita

time to fap
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>>111242925
He wrote Mahoyo a long time ago
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How come lot of people work at type Moon but no one does anything?
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>>111243447
How come they put more effort into the April Foools' Day content than into their actual work?
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>>111243339
Rco did designs for Extra
Konoe Ototsugu does the art for Apocrypha
a handful of names in there did their own versions of pre-existing art of Fate characters, nothing new.
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>>111243447
They're released over a dozen things in the last few years, like a lot of things.

Just not all of them are VN's
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>>111243447
>>111243519
How come Takeuchi can't color and make backgrounds for his pictures to this day?
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>>111243447
Because Type Moon is just a video games club that trick people into doing their work for them.
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>>111243173
The rape is tsukihime actually serves a purpose though. If you're doing a new work it doesn't need them so much.

However, I would prefer them simply for nostalgia, and as long as they don't detract from it,

and fanservice is fun
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I wonder if the new Tsukihime will take place in the F/SN universe.
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>>111243712
What? The old Tsukihime does that.
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>>111243712
The old one did, why wouldn't the new one?
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>>111243668
Most of the sex in Tsuki serves a point. Especially with Akiha I can't even imagine the conclusion to far side without the sex
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>>111243712
How do you not get that all these stories take place in the same universe?

We've seen characters from the various stories cross over a number of times, Touko was in F/SN, it's odd you don't get that. Nasu has said that Tsukihime town and F/SN town are only a bus ride away.

The end of Tsukihime is the beginning of F/SN
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>>111243810
Why didn't Arcueid just go to Fuyuki and fuck everyone's shit?
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>>111243750
>>111243763
No, they're not in the same universe. Some character ages and some dates don't match up between the two series from what I've heard.
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>>111243810
>Tsukihime town and F/SN town are only a bus ride away.
The weekends must be crazy

EYYYY SEIBA WE GOING TO TSUKHIME TOWN AND WE GONNA PARTY HARD

Carnival Phantasm every summer
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>>111243851
Because she's not connected to the plot, and doesn't care
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>>111243866
They are in the same universe. Just not at the same exact time.
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>>111243750
Does Aoko live in the same world as Touko?
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>>111243867
Arcueid was killed by the Saber parasite. She's one of them now.
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>>111243866
They don't occur at the same time, plus the dates have been retconned a couple times for memory.
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>>111243810
>>111243867
>Q: How far away is Fate/stay night's Fuyuki from Tsukihime's Misaki?
>A: About the distance between Kant? and Ky?sh?.

Sounds like not that much distance anyway, but I haven't actually checked.

>Q: About Tsukihime, which has the same background world setting as Fate/stay night, which story happened first chronologically? And how many years apart are they?
>A: The end of Tsukihime is the beginning of Fate/stay night.
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>>111243896
>>111243919
Well maybe I'm thinking of Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime then. They both have Touko, but she's not the same Touko.

All the things I'm saying right now are things that people in TM threads used to jump on me and correct me for whenever I said otherwise, so I just assumed this was common knowledge.
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>>111243866
Nasu has stated that they take place in the same timeline. The exact time of both games have been retconned several times, each time to make them more recent, which has resulted in a few discrepancies because writers always fuck retcons up and because Nasu just wants to confuse us.
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>>111243339
>>111243575
A lot of people there did designs for the original Apocrypha.

Like pako (Karna), Maeda Hirotaka (Vlad), Ginka (David), Chuuou Higashiguchi (St. George), Okazaki Takeshi (Frankenstein), Raita (Sakata Gintoki)...
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>>111243963
KnK and Tsukihime take place in different timelines, yeah, so the Touko's are different.

Nasu's reasoning is that the likelihood of two people cropping up in Japan with such powerful EoDP and such good control over them are impossible, so we only ever have one of the two Shiki's in a timeline at once.
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>>111243896
Mahoyo takes place in the 80's, KnK and F/Z take place in the 90's, Tsukihime in 2000, and F/SN in 2004.

I always assumed KnK/Tsuki/Fate are all universes parallel to each other, so the same but slightly different, ie we know KnK and Tsuki can't be the same universe as two people with MEoDP can't exist at the same time.
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>>111243130
That's just your opinion. Other people such as myself dont' care about them
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>>111244093
>Who cares about the voice
>I do
>well that's just your opinion

okay
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>>111243963
Sounds like you've mistaken Touko (KnK) for Aoko(Tsukihime).
Again, one would say that they take place in the same universe, but different time periods
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>>111243963
Fate and Tsukihinme are same universe, Kara and Tsukihime are different time-line but same universe, it's complicated but everything is in the same universe but just different time-lines as they are only a chance apart in the Kaleidoscope. Kara and Tsukihime can't happen in the same time-line due to being improbable.
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>>111240908
Who the fuck is leftmost chick?

A shield servant? I can dig that.
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Nasuverse Moba when

Arena of Fate doesn't count
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>>111244134
Look like Jack the ripper but i am not sure.
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>>111244190
Cancer
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>>111244211
>
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>>111244206
Then where's Sundowner?
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>>111244245
He's fucking invisible.
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>>111244132
Sion has a twin sister, either one or the other is alive in each time-line apparently
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>We will never see a Tsukihime sequel starring Satsujinki, Arcueid and now-mortal Ciel as Dead Apostle hunters
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>>111243130
This.
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>>111244206
I thought so too. But look closer

>No battle thong
>Shield that's bigger than her(?)
>Some knight based armor

Another Knight of the Round Table perhaps? God damn TYPE-MOON if they're pulling another Astolfo on us again.
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>>111244132
>same universe, different timeline
That's close enough to what I meant. I just refer to a timeline as a universe, because the kaleidoscope is a multiverse.
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>>111244190
>Moba
Fuck not another

there is this though
http://www.wasabistudio.ca/wikis/fate/%E9%A6%96%E9%A0%81
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>>111244245
>>111244280

THE MEMES, JACK
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>>111242546
What trailer?
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>>111243222
Why?
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>Fate = Destiny
>That cloud halo

Coincidence?
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>>111244354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-qov4Y0SN0
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>>111244304
>The world will never have Sion/Twin/Riefsbye doujins

What's even the point of the Second Magic?
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>>111244374
/v/ pls go
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>>111244418
One must die in the womb I guess, you'd probably need magic or something to stop that from happening.
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>>111244460
All we need is bullshit time magic.

Get on it, Zelretch.
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>>111244190
Did you not know Fate/Another exists?
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>>111244132
How do we know Fate and Kara aren't in the same universe, and not Tsukihime?
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>>111244318
>>111244134
Stray Servant

An unused heroine for the first VN.
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>>111244612
And which hero turned into a chick is she supposed to be.
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>>111244597
Logically, there's nothing which says that such. Since only KnK and Tsukihime are mutually exclusive, it's possible for Fate to carry on from both.
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>>111244688
So Fate could take place in either one, and we don't know which.
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>>111244707
Pretty much, yeah. Personally, I assume that Fate occurred in both, and went down identically in both, so which timeline we saw it happen in doesn't really matter.
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It's going to print money, isn't it? It's like a heaven for waifu/husbando faggotry.
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>>111244707
>>111244771
Fate could even take place on both timelines.
Don't forget that Fate happens in 3 timelines, Tsukihime in 5 and KnK in one, so there are many combinations.
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>>111244824
>>111244771
I guess what I meant when I originally asked "what if the new Tsukihime takes place in the same universe as fate" is, what if we get some additional Fate references in the new Tsukihime, maybe with them updating the dates to be more consistent and such.
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It's their time to shine.
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>>111244820
I don't know man, waifu collectan mobile game is diamond dozen.
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>where's Tsukihime remake?
>where's Mahoyo 2?
>lol no imma write phone gaems now
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>inb4 waifu card game
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>>111244978
In a franchise he said he'd leave alone, to boot!
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>>111245066
I'm 150% confident that it will be waifu card game.
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>>111244910
Benkei designer is not listed, so forget about him.
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Remember guys, unless stated otherwise, it's always online card games.
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>>111245353
>Gacha for servant summoning artifacts
>pay bucks for mana (stamina system)
>C Saber -> UC Black Saber -> R Nero -> SR Jeanne -> UR Mordred shit
>Mix servant spirits for stronger servant
>Some tacked-on puzzle game for gameplay illusion
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>>111245353
It was announced as RPG.
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"With the passing of the Age of Gods and the start of the Common Era,
Mankind has become the most prosperous species in the world.
The fate of the planet is in our hands.
We are the ones who will write its epitaph.
Thankfully, there is a principle that will ensure mankind's everlasting prosperity.
A sea chart guiding the human race.
In the world of magi, this is known as... Humanity."

My Lord. Once more, I shall raise this flag, for this country's---no, this world's salvation
Order has gone up in flames, and so much purpose has been lost. Our future vanished in but a second.
Listen to my words, brave warriors gathered here, legion of heroic spirits who retain their reason!
No matter if you were sworn enemies or no matter how far your time periods apart, now you must entrust your backs to one another!
My true name is Joan of Arc. In the name of my lord, I shall stand as your shield!
This struggle is one that has long endured through the sands of human history.
But there is no need for concern, as untold fateful encounters await you.
Though this entire planet has become the battlefield of the Holy Grail War, though the world has been brought to ruin, though countless formidable foes block your path, the end has still yet to be determined by anyone.
Now, let us begin our fight, Master.
The curtains rise on the largest scale Holy Grail War in history.
Fate/Grand Order, a story of reclaiming the future
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>>111245532
Being a card game doesn't mean it can't be an RPG, case in point; Phantasy Star Online Episode III.
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Confirmed for Puzzles and Dragons with Saber
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>>111245733
Why did Nasu have to make it an RPG and not just a new VN?

The scenario sounds so amazing.

At first I thought it would just be another massive Grail War but on a scale never seen before, but the emphasis on united humanity here makes me think that there is a threat so great that Alaya has summoned not just the Counter Guardians but all the Heroic Spirits to fight it.

The only thing I could think of that would pose such a threat would be a Notes scenario where all the Aristoteles finally land on Earth.
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>>111244134
Probably a new class called "Defender" or some shit.
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>>111245733
>Fate/Apocrypha is a deliberate ploy to promote Joan in more spin-offs
>Joan is used as the mascot when Saber is too good for the project
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>>111245918
The class will be called Buckler.
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>>111245907
It is even said that "world has been brought to ruin."
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>>111245907
>Why did Nasu have to make it an RPG and not just a new VN?
Because he has to write the Tsukihime remake.
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"With the passing of the Age of Gods and the start of the Common Era,
Mankind has become the most prosperous species in the world.
The fate of the planet is in our hands.
We are the ones who will write its epitaph.
Thankfully, there is a principle that will ensure mankind's everlasting prosperity.
A sea chart guiding the human race.
In the world of magi, this is known as... Humanity."

"The First Grail: AD 1431 - ????? Hundred Year War -- Orlea" - "The Holy Maiden Savior"
First Holy Grail: Humanity Foundation Value_C+
"The Second Grail: AD 0060 - The Eternal ????? Empire - Septem" -- "The Emperor of Roses"
Second Holy Grail: Humanity Foundation Value_B+
"The Third Grail: AD 1573 - The Four Sealed Seas of the End - Okeanos" -- "The Navigator of the Storm"
Third Holy Grail: Humanity Foundation Value_A
"The Fourth Grail: AD 1888 - ????????" -- "The Knight of Londium"
Fourth Holy Grail: Humanity Foundation Value_A-
"The Fifth Grail: AD 1783 -- ?????????i Pluribas Unam" -- "The White Cloth of ???????"
Fifth Holy Grail: Humanity Foundation Value_A+
"The Sixth Grail: AD 1273 -- ???????" - "The Shining Agatorum"
Sixth Holy Grail: Humanity Foundation Value_EX
"The Seventh Grail: BC ???? -- The Absolute Frontline in the War Against the Demonic Beasts ?????????" -- "The Chain of Heaven"
Seventh Holy Grail: Humanity Foundation Value_?
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>>111245353
With this many artists on board the project, the chance is quite high that it's going to be a card game. ;_;
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>>111240908
>more Fate
>not enough Tsukihime or MB
[burger eating intensifies]
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>>111246710
What is this?
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>>111246753
There's about three different posts full of text from the PV for Grand/Order

That's the second one
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>>111246717
The true suffering is being a KnKfag.
>no Carnival Phantasm
>no spin-off
>no games
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>>111246816
But Ryougi was in Carnival Phantasm.

For one episode.;_;
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>>111246816
You've got MBAACC. Kinda.
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>>111246816
>got the good movies
>got the good husband/wife voiced protags
>got Touko
>have less shitposts in every thread
>fanbase isn't violently split over waifu/route wars
Shit, being a KnKfag is fine.
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>>111243339
Going by this, it will probably have all the Servants we got during the years and some new.
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>>111246710
>Jeanne
>Nero
>Francis Drake
>Jack the Ripper
>George Washington
>Thomas Aquinas???
>Enkidu
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>>111247171
>Thomas Aquinas
Looks evil enough to be Caster. Sold.
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>>111247171
>Jack the Ripper

I'm not so sure
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>>111247308
I know it doesn't really fit, but look at the date.
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Is Grand Order an alternate universe like Fate/Extra or does it happen in the same universe as Fate/Stay Night?
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>>111247282
>Thomas Aquinas
>evil
I can't really see it.
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>>111247353
Nobody knows. We don't even know the plot.
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> Maaya Sakamoto Jeanne
Lovely. Though until Captain Earth ends I'll keep thinking of Moco, fucking space alien robot vampire Shiki and Kokuto.
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When is Nasu adding George Washington as a heroic spirit? The Fate universe isn't nearly american enough.
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>>111247328
And the scenario writers, one of them being the one who brought us Aprcrophya IIRC.
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>>111247328
Maybe it's Sherlock
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>>111247353
They're all in the same universe but different time-lines and shit, Extra is a time-line when something happened in the 1970's etc, but you'd have to know shit about the plot of Grand Order in order to know the answer to that one.

So far all we have to know is some rough clues that might make sense later on and raise interest, but don't amount to too much just yet. This might take place at the end of humanity, the fate of the planet. During the trailer that might be the Mooncell or Angya in the sky, but it feels different. Mooncell would give us an answer why all these figures converge, but this feels like something entirely different in a way.

Whatever this is it's a mystery unlike anything before.

>Though this entire planet has become the battlefield of the Holy Grail War, though the world has been brought to ruin

>Mankind has become the most prosperous species in the world.
>The fate of the planet is in our hands.
>We are the ones who will write its epitaph.
>Thankfully, there is a principle that will ensure mankind's everlasting prosperity.
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>>111245733
>>111245907
>>111245959
My body is ready.
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>>111244005
> Raita doing a male design instead of a female
Huh. I mean, I know he can draw guys, it just seems unexpected.
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>>111247165
I hope so. Sure we'll get new art of already existing servants, but I'm interested in seeing new servants by the guest artists.
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>>111247444
>When is Nasu adding George Washington as a heroic spirit?

>"The Fifth Grail: AD 1783 -- ?????????i Pluribas Unam" -- "The White Cloth of ???????"
>Fifth Holy Grail: Humanity Foundation Value_A+

>>>>When is Nasu adding George Washington as a heroic spirit?

>>>>>>>E pluribus unum
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>>111247171
Saber, Lancer, Rider, Assassin, Archer, Caster, Berserker?

Sound right?
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>>111247512
I would jizz all over the place if that were the case. I would jizz even harder if they make it genderbent
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>>111245959
But Saber is in the promtional art in the front row ahead of Jeanne.
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>>111244824
You're forgetting all the bad ends, plus all the combinations of choices that can lead to each specific end.
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>The shield in OP's image is never a shield
>It's an axe
>Honest George
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>>111247810
What if it went Milky Holmes?
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>>111247944
It's more of a clock and cross

George should have a white cloth, and have some kind of pilgrim attire, because maybe.
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>>111247944
I wouldn't be surprised if she'ss classified as an Archer and she uses the shield as a boomerang/like Captain America

You can always trust that something is almost never like what it appears like in the Nasuverse
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>>111248033
The clock and the cross are making me think that it's the Knight of Londinium, with a rejigged Jack the Ripper.

>>111248085
You mean we can always trust Archers to be cheating fucks.
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>>111247580
Sounds like a Notes setting, almost.
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>>111248085
Xe's an American, xe can do whatever xe wants.
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>>111247965
8th Class Semen Demon
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>>111248122
> New Jack the Ripper
> It's still not the real Jack the Ripper, just a reimagining of the legend
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>>111248122
>>111248171
She doesn't look like Jack outside the hair. Whole different body build, armor, a shield...
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More weaponized shields?
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>>111248166
>8th Class
What is Avenger?
What is Saver?
What is Ruler?
more like 11th class by now
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>>111248171
Well, that's the whole point of Jack the Ripper according to Strange Fake.
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>>111248211
She's probably Stray Servant, which may imply a genderbent Ajax.
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>>111248171
Why would they come up with a new Jack the Ripper? They already have one from Apocrypha
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>>111248230
Don't forget Buckler
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>>111248171
Every time Jack it's summoned it's never the real Jack, which kind of fits the elusive nature of the legend.
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>>111248213
Do not weaponize the shields
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>>111248213
No where near as damn fine as Riefsbye, though.
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>>111248256
Mideast True Assassins are the many kinds of Hassans.
British True Assassins are the many kinds of Jacks.

Do you think we will get more true assassins?
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>>111248230
11th class

>Saber
>Lancer
>Archer
>Caster
>Assassin
>Berserker
>Rider
>Saver
>Avenger
>Ruler
>Funny Vamp / Temptress
>Monster
>Beast
>Alter Ego
>Launcher
>Gilgamesh

Bonus Points for Joke Classes named so far: Butler, Idol, Gorgeous, Gunner
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>>111248312
>There will never be a story about Riefsbyfe and shield servant fighting alongside another, being shield sisters
Fuck you, Nasu
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>>111248352
Class of Heroes
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>>111248230
I keep forgetting about all the other "8th classes". With not just fight a Grail War with 7 new classes at this point? I know all those classes haven't been used in tandem in the same universe but with their bullshit ability to make new ones it should be possible to make 7 more from scratch.
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>>111248256
> No Caster-like cloak for not-Hassan
Aw. The braids are cute, though.
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>>111248381
They could make a new class for shield bearers. Maybe called it the Guardian class?
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>>111248331
In Strange Fake there is the Beautiful Assassin who got all the other Zabaniya. That's enough I think.
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>>111248381
A class is just a mold to fit the hero into, new molds aren't hard to make if you're one of the makers of the ritual.

The seven classes often heard of are just the standards according to Nasu, but there are others.
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>>111248448
Buckler
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>>111248381
The new ones are usually hacked into the system by people/things who know how. For example, Avenger was Einzbern (morons, why not just leave it as Berserker?), Ruler was the Grail itself because of all the Servant spamming going on, and Saver was, as I recall, the Moon Cell.
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>>111248462
Saying that 3 times in the same thread won't make it stick. Stop it, you tryhard
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>>111248381
To be fair, even the original F/SN stated that the only requisite classes were Lancer, Saber and Archer. I always felt that Urobuchi's copying of the seven classes, and coming up with some stupid excuse to make Rais a caster was a cheap cop out of creativity.

Heck, I think Zero is the only part of the Franchise to not introduce or otherwise toy with the class system.
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>>111248576
Fourth War was the closest war to being a proper one, aside from kerry blowing up the grail.
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>>111248448
>>111248457
>>111248488
So it is possible to make a Grail War with seven new classes. I'm surprised no one has toyed with this possibly on the franchise yet. Hell, I'm surprised Fate/Strange is still using the 7 original classes despite being a a"fake grail".

>>111248576
If I recall correctly Iskandar was supposed to be his own new class but Nasu told Butcher it was a no go. The original Rider Urobutcher wanted was some greek hero with a dragon.
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>>111248695
Cadmus?
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Did the prisma ilya specials air on tv?
This shit is downright nasty
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>>111248749
No, BD only.
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>>111248695
Yes, it's theoretically possible to create new classes for a Grail War. You need to be in a position to know how, though. The Einzberns invented the ritual, the Grail itself is the Grail itself, and the Moon Cell is the Moon Cell. It isn't as if just anybody could do it.

>The original Rider Urobutcher wanted was some greek hero with a dragon.
Sounds like either Cadmus or Jason.
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>>111248652
Considering the Second ended up with everyone involved dead, and the Third featured the Imperial Army and the Nzi's duking it out, I find your suggestion that the Fourth was the closest thing to a real war absurd.
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>>111248749
>nasty
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Jesus fucking Christ there's so much Fate related material now. Does that Nasuverse Chart have a comprehensive list of what's available as well as what's translated and by how much?
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>>111248866
I meant a real Grail War, where all the rules are followed.

And that doesn't say much, considering how many rules are broken in that one. It's just the least out of all of them.
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>>111248695
>>111248832
>If I recall correctly Iskandar was supposed to be his own new class but Nasu told Butcher it was a no go. The original Rider Urobutcher wanted was some greek hero with a dragon.
No, it wasn't like that. They wanted a hero who mounted a dragon, that was Nasu's idea in the first place, but they were not able to found one.

What Uro wanted was a chinese Caster, but Nasu said him that China and Japan heroes are not usually summoned in the Fuyuki Grail as a rule.
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>>111248928
>What Uro wanted was a chinese Caster, but Nasu said him that China and Japan heroes are not usually summoned in the Fuyuki Grail as a rule.
Why is that?

Getting summoned in the right area for your legend gives you a fame boost. It makes no sense that people wouldn't regularly try to capitalise on that.
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I'm amazed they are focusing Jeanne. I expected at least Nero to be more marketed being Seiba 2.0.

>playing battle moon wars
>no voiced attack
>remembered it's a doujin game

Oh well, with Fate alone, you can make a Super Fate Wars.
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>>111248922
So, when you say, "closest thing to a poper war", you mean "closest thing to an honourable duel between Magi".
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>>111248970
Because the holy grail war is a western creation, so the heroes the masters are familiar with are all western heroes.
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>>111248970
>Getting summoned in the right area for your legend gives you a fame boost
I think that's exactly.
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>>111248970
The Holy Grail is a fundamentally Western concept, rooted in the Abrahamic faiths. Heroic Spirits from the East therefore have no desire for it, and won't answer it's summons.
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>>111248995
No, I mean "closest thing to the concept of the Holy Grail War being fully demonstrated."

All classes normal, no weird shit like Caster summoning a servant, two Sabers, Avenger, nobody managing to summon their servants because they all kill each other, etc.
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>>111248970
Because the Grail is a more western concept.

Also, probably Nasu didn't wanted to see japanese heroes being summoned so the japanese fanbase would not only root for them.
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>>111248970
Nasu invented a bunch of rules that prevent the japanese heroes from being summoned to prevent a "home team" mentality.
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>>111249073
What if I summoned Francis Xavier?
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>>111248995
Not even the same guy but it's not hard to see. No, it's the closest thing to an actual grail war, rather than all out chaos and a complete failure all around.

The rest were just a complete mess that weren't even close to correct, this one despite some problems was the closest to almost being correct in some form. No grail war is supposed to be an honorable duel, it was never going to be that, but this is the closest to an actual grail war.
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>>111249105
>nobody managing to summon their servants because they all kill each other
What, it was never said that was happened in the second war, just that it was a bloodbath. But it was probably such a massacre because Servants were involved in the first place.
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>>111249073
>Heroic Spirits from the East therefore have no desire for it, and won't answer it's summons.
Didn't stop Sasaki, though. He might not have actually existed, but he still fit the parameters.
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>>111249128
You'd summon a cyber ghost, rather weak but has some odd talents, has the ability to attack the soul directly and gets stronger the more info he has on the opponent
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>>111249148
I don't know the details of the 2nd Grail War, but how I imagined it was 7 mages in a room, and they all say "3, 2, 1, summon your servant", and then at 0 they all kill each other, with some servants maybe showing up for a few seconds.
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>>111249128
First, good luck in getting a relic/artifact related to him since the Church would most likely hunt you down.
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>>111248213

>Riesbyfe
>Shield

That thing is a goddamn piledriver and should be mounted on a mecha.
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>>111249213
I'm backed by the church/I go to China where he was buried and summon him there.
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>>111249213
I wonder if that's what stopped people from trying to summon Jesus. Besides the whole Divinity rank thing likely being too high. Can't imagine the Church would be too happy with somebody summoning him.
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>>111249234
It's shield with a built-in piledriver. Or a piledriver with a built-in shield, whichever floats your boat.
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>>111248256
Gil and his waifu Enkidu in the same war

>Enkidu is a Lancer

Shits gonna go full suffering isn't it?
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>>111249330

>Some guy summons Jesus
>Disregards Grail War and helps people instead

He'd be more of a Shiro than Shiro himself.
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>>111241507
I think a kotomine fight and Illya heartbreak scene but ending with Normal would be cooler and more memorable
But I'm a sucker for heroic self sacrifice tragic endings
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>>111249105
>>111249131
The entire purpose of the Holy Grail War is to sacrifice seven Servants in order to power the Greater Grail, and punch a hole through to the Root.

The Fourth ended with only five Servants dead and inside the Grail, and was the second furthest from fulfilling the War's original purpose.

In regards to what a Holy Grail War should be doing, it was an abysmal failure.

It fails on being the closest thing to a war, and it fails on being the war closest to fulfilling the Grail's purpose.
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Fate/Third War when? After both Strange Fake and Prototype got greenlighted I expect even that.
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>>111242865
Nasu has been in love with Takeuchi since highchool but Takeuchi only has eyes for Seibah. Nasu is also a female
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>>111249393
>After both Strange Fake and Prototype got greenlighted
Both was not exactly greenlighted.
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>>111249384
Would you stop being so autistic about this? You know exactly what we mean.
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>>111248256
>Wednesday Adams as Assassin.

heh
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>>111249376
And that, yeah.

Maybe convincing him to do something about the Grail corruption would get his attention.
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>>111249211
But why they would summon their Servants in the first room in the first place? It's funny so it works as a joke, but that's all.

The way it was worded it was probably a festival of magi being pricks backstabbing each other and Servants destroying shit without remorse, so it ended with all the involved dead.
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>>111249441
Does anyone even know what Nasu and Takeuchi actually look like outside of the guys working with them?
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>>111248252
Hey, the Strange Fake one came before her.
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>>111249375
Well, it depends if the new Lancer trend continues or not.
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>>111249513
>in the first room
in the same room
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>>111249514
Think Takeuchi has been seen, but Nasu remains coated in mystery.
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>>111249469
Yeah, I know what you mean.

I just find the concept of people thinking that the Fourth War was even remotely close to being "proper", considering how abysmal a fuck up it was in every regards, to be stupid.
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>>111249513
Einzbern's BEST PLAN EVER 2
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>>111249563
Which one? Bros or E-rank luck?

What classes can Enkidu be summoned into, for that matter? Lancer, obviously, and Berserker. Any of the others? Archer?
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>>111249393
I really hope we get the Third War. If there's one Fate story I want to see, it's that.
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>>111249563
>the new Lancer trend
Which one? Died by their own choosing, becoming a dog on a leash, or died like a bitch?
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>>111249211
>>111249513
>>111249631
It was said that the Second War was so bloody that they made up the rules and the church mediator for the Third, so it was probably magi disregarding the well being of Fuyuki's inhabitants and shit like that.

Also, it was said the Einzbern Master was the first to be defeated.
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>>111249626
It was the closest to the concept of a Grail War as it's written on paper. Just go with that.
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>>111249637
From memory, Enkidu is a living weapon and could change to suit his (or Gil's) purposes. Think he could technically be anything but Lancer/Caster might be more his thang
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>>111249626
It was "proper" in the meta sense. Not referring to the "true purpose" in canon, but the purpose as a story idea.
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>>111249637
>>111249677
The new Lancer trend is dying fulfulling their objectives or just happy. Also, not being impaled by their own lances helps.
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>>111249384
>1st war; Not enough servants summoned, all around failure, main families end up killing each other only to realize there wasn't even a chance to begin with
>2nd war; literal murder spree where no one survived, Church had to get involved, they ran out the timer. It was the most infamous grail war in the system because of how badly it ended.
>3rd war; complete chaos, Nazis, two Sabers, Avenger, corrupted the grail, war, they broke the grail, just a complete mess on all fronts
>4th war seven servants summoned, grail was completed, everything went as planned as the grail for the first time was full even with two servants still remaining because Alexander was worth a few servants just like Gilgamesh was worth a few servants in HF. It was a complete sucess aside for a master destroying the grail and rejecting it, the first near sucess in the batch as everything actually sort of turned out this time. Instead of the war not even close to being finished, it technically finished, but was rejected.

"No guys, it's the 4th war that was the absolute biggest abyssal mess and clusterfuck, it was the one that was the second farthest away from what it was supposed to be."

4th war was close to being a proper grail war, that doesn't mean a proper magi duel, it means it was the closest to actually happening, proper number of servants, proper grail and going down at all rather than just being a clusterfuck where the Church had to get involved or hundreds died.
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>>111249677
Dying on their own terms.
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>>111249330
jesus as lancer

lance of longinus
resurrection
and an anti-world np that crucifies fucking everyone
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>>111249768
Although like I said originally, that's not saying much considering how bad of a fuckup the fourth war was, with Caster requiring Church intvervention, the church mediators being in league with two of the masters, and one of the masters destroying the holy grail.

But all of the other wars were much worse.
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>>111249768
And hundreds still died because of the aftereffects of the 3rd war. Fucking Angra Manyu.
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>>111249861
>Lance of Longinus
You mean the thing he got stabbed with? Is the activation sequence stabbing himself then trying to skewer someone else with it in a suicide attack?
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>>111249679
>Also, it was said the Einzbern Master was the first to be defeated.
Poor Einzberns. It was like "We invited this little fools who don't know the truth and are just cattle waiting for be sacrificed!" and then they are the first to get wrecked.
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>>111249907
Oh right, that kind of puts it down a level or two, with thousands dead because of the fire.

Aside from that bit not so bad, but Kiritsugu is kind of a fuck-up at times.
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>>111249768
>Not enough servants summoned
Has this actually been said somewhere, or is it just fanon? By how it is described in the Einzbern Consultation Room, they always had seven magi and Servants.
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>>111249916
But Vlad already did that.
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>>111247586
I'd plant my flag inside her
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>>111249861
Why would jesus enter a war to get a cup of his own blood?
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>>111246889
But still there isn't enough material. Nasu fucking overlooks this gem in favour of milking shitty Fate. Mana has a lot of potential for her own spin off.
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>>111249990
>whoever summon Jesus wins
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>>111249861
He's not really about crucifying people, he's kind of about saving people and all that.
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>>111249953
IIRC, there were enough Servants, though the Three Families had to initially invite magi to fill the ranks out when they had their initial disagreement and decided to make it a fight.
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>>111249768
>because Alexander was worth a few servants
Where was that said?
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>>111249953
It was how it was implied in the first place as the Second was said to be the first time outsiders were invited, but then Einzbern Consultation Room said that yeah.
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>>111250037
so he's a hero of justice?
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>>111249976
Get in line.
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>>111250024
>the only catalyst to summon Jesus is the Holy Grail itself
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>>111249884
> one of the masters destroying the holy grail.
I tend to give that one a free pass as the Master in question realized that the Grail was fucked and wasn't going to work right anyway. His fault was having Saber destroy the Lesser Grail rather than the Greater Grail, as without the focus of the Lesser Grail the evilmud just went everywhere.
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>>111250053
In the novel, it was said the grail was already complete even without Gilgamesh or Saber in it. It's kind of a plot point when the grail asks for a wish despite those two not in it yet.

In HF it was said the grail was already full after GIlgamesh went in, even without Saber, Berserker, Assassin, Rider, etc.

Some servants are worth a few servants.
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>>111249393
>>111249643
That was pretty much Hollow Ataraxia, though, last I checked. Redoing it would be kind of redundant as it would just be the same events with different characters.
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>>111250123
>Some servants are worth a few servants.
That may or may not be true, but you don't need all 7 anyway. You can make a wish with just 5 servants dead.
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>>111249998
As a fellow KnKfag I'm honestly not too put out. Sure, there's space for expansion, but what we've got now is in a pretty good state. The core story was wrapped up perfectly by the end of Mirai Fukuin. I'd rather have KnK stay the way it is forever instead of getting milked for the rest of eternity until it's become a completely drained abomination of commercialism.
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>>111250119
>His fault was having Saber destroy the Lesser Grail rather than the Greater Grail, as without the focus of the Lesser Grail the evilmud just went everywhere.

That's not it at all, Shirou also destroyed the lesser grail in Fate route without this consequence, Tohsaka destroyed the lesser grail without this consequence, they don't know Greater Grail is even a thing until third route, that's not the reason he failed.

It's because he destroyed the cup rather than the liquid

Shirou in Fate route aimed for the contents of the cup, the hole in the sky, rather than the cup itself(ilya)

You have to destroy the contents rather than the cup
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>>111250115
Does he even answer the summon?
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>>111250171
Except HA was all slice of life, and featured no armies fighting each other and generally fucking shit up.
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>>111250171
But I want to see young Risei.
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>>111250104
There's enough Jeanne for everyone, after all she's pretty experienced in handling multiple men
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>>111249861
More like AOE heals everyone by crucifying himself

Theres zombie summoning too.
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>>111250189
>You can make a wish with just 5 servants dead.

Exactly, which is why Kiritsugu was offered his wish despite two servants still outside the grail. The wish is offered when the grail is complete, but it also requires the right time to be upon them. Angya was going to let Kiritsugu make his wish despite Gilgamesh and Arthur still being outside, it wasn't going to wait, because it was already the promised time.
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>>111250240
>healing
>summoning
>lancer
i see english isn't your first language
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I thought you could still make a wish with the Grail not "full" but there is just less magic to work with
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>>111250240
Dragon taming
Zombie summoning
flying
Authority
touch of death
resurrection
immortality
cause snakes to explode
Infinite creation of fish
walk on water
healing

Jesus had all the powers, that's kind of the point of him being God in the flesh.

he just chose not to use his powers since he had a point to prove about how a man should live, and what he must do in that time. If you want to boil his powers down then it boils down to authority, the world works the way he needs it to based on faith
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>>111250322
>authority, the world works the way he needs it to based on faith
Sounds like Caster and a Reality Marble.
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>>111250277
Cu still did some rune magic even as Lancer.
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>>111250189
Einzbern didn't increase the number of their opponent just for fun.
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>>111250277
Jesus as lancer is fucking retarded anyways.
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>>111250391
Jesus being summoned as a Savoir would make sense though
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>>111250364
Nevermind, I was wrong. You need 6, not 5.

All 7 need to die to open a portal to the root. But for wish granting purposes, 5 or 6 is plenty for most wishes.
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Anyone else think fate/apoc has better servants compared to f/sn and f/z?
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If anything Jesus would be summoned as a Ruler, can stop most of Servants fights AND keep the innocent casualties minimal.
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>>111250498
I could not disagree more.
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>>111249330
>summon Jesus
>it counts as the second coming
>The world is now locked in the Notes route or something as bad
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>>111250318
Accord to the system of the Grail, no. When the lesser Grail is full, it release the content, open the path to Akasha. The greater Grail will keep the path open while the lesser act as a transmitter for magi to send their wish.
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>>111240908
>Nasu: I said that I won't write any more Fate. I lied.
Wow I didn't see this coming.
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>>111250471
See >>111250554
You need to reach the root to grand wish. Don't confuse the sequence.
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>>111250516
Now what would Buddha be summoned as I wonder?
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>>111250648
If you're a top tier magus you can "grant wishes" with the magic of the lesser grail. Caster mentioned she could also Angry man Jew can fuck shit up too
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>>111250743
Saver
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>>111250648
>>111250554
It's said in F/SN though that you only need 6. That's why a servant and their master can both make a wish, in theory. As long as you have the lesser grail and it's full enough, you can make your wish. I can't find an exact citation for this right now, but this will have to do:

>Q: What is Illya’s capacity as a Grail? Hypothetically, if the Einzbern won the War, Illya absorbed the other 6 Servants besides Berserker, and had some shred of human will left, could she still don the Dress of Heaven and initiate the Grail ritual?

>A: That’s what Liz and Sella are for. Ilya can only take up to 4 - I would think that absorbing a fifth Servant wouldn’t allow her to function as a human any longer.

Notice the questioner says 6 servants besides Berserker, and Nasu doesn't correct them. That's just a circumstancial quote. The real one was somewhere in F/SN, I just don't have it.
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>>111250348
Authority is actually a power listed in Fate CCC, it's a power that only the true types of full divine spirits have, the ability to command the Earth in some way.

They can't use it as much these days due to faith, but back in the day nature itself would bend because they told it to.

The main boss of CCC has obtained such a power.
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>>111250743
Let me show ya.
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>>111250743
What if fucking Obama was summoned as a wonder?
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>>111249768
Considering that the 3rd war corrupted the grail, every grail war from that point was doomed to failure in the beggining.
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>>111250884
>>111250554
Also, for what it's worth, here's a wiki quote. But they didn't cite anything, so take it with a grain of salt.
>It is possible to make a wish upon it with only the power of five Servants, allowing it to grant most wishes. It is still incomplete, and will take at least six to bring it into form. Its true purpose, opening a hole to the Root, requires all seven Servants.
I know, I know,
>wiki
I'm just putting it out there to show that I'm not the only one who remembers that.
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>>111241125
Only because normal fags refuse to use computers.
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>>111250263
This part I don't get.
Why did the grail offer the wish to Kerry?
The mud fell on him and Kirei, the only two masters alive with their servants, so why did it favor Kerry?
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>>111245959
wasn't Apocrypha supposed to be the original RPG thing and that's why this is the reboot?
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>>111251305
Probably because of Iri.
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>>111251097
Depends on your definition of failure. The Grail can still open a path to Akasha. You're just going to release Angry Manjew at the same time.
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>>111251306
This only reboots the Apocrypha concept of online game. Apocrypha turned into its own thing.
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>>111251360
I know, which is why I said "supposed"
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>wants to make a game like Demon Souls
>on the mobile

So he has no fucking respect for the genre?
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>>111251305
It may have been offering the same thing to Kirei while it was talking to Kerry.
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>>111251305
Because it could cause more suffering for Kiritsugu than Kirei
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>>111251305
IIRC wasn't Kirei dead at that instant? So the grail granted Kiri his wish and a new heart to Kirei.
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>>111249376
Well, one could say that if Jesus died in a HGW it would counter Angry Manjew's wish and purify the grail, fixing the war itself.
I think it would be at least interesting to see that happening.
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>>111251451
Yeah, didn't the beginning of F/SN suggest that, with Rin being mad at Kirei for rejecting the Grail?
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>>111251538
I could've sworn Kirei's heart was mostly due to Gilgamesh resisting the corruption.
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>>111251564
Only problem is that the Grail would likely recognize Jesus as Spirit, rather than a wish as it did with Avenger.
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>>111251538
No, Kiritsugu shot Kirei after he refused the Grail.
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>>111250753
No, you can't. The lesser grail have no magic and no mana either. Caster able to summon the Grail without active the lesser Grail but she still need to summon it to gran wish.
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>>111241558
I hope this shit won't end like fucking Miura.
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Less than a week ago I talked to Anonymous here and he STAUNCHLY REFUSED to believe there was going to be more fateshit.

[X] Fucking/Told Faggot
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>>111251636
The lesser grail is the one carrying the servants before they go back to the Greater grail. That's why Iri was becoming weaker as the 4th war went on. She was losing her humanity from having all the dead servants inside her.
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>>111243139
>He doesn't want to read underwater adventures
>He doesn't want to read SURPRESS ROA IN MY ASS
I fucking hope sex scenes are back
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>>111251564
No since the Grail was clear and Jew is black adding jesus adds white but it won't go back to clear
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>>111251689
damn you got me, ill admit i was wrong
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>>111251769
>Jesus: love everyone
>Angrymanjew: Kill everyone
>Grail + Jesus + Angrymanjew = Be Yandere for everyone?
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>>111251451
Absolutely couldn't be, he was furious at Kiritsugu for rejecting it in the end. He was watching the entire time Kiritsugu's dream in jelousy, he was in a rage when he finally awoke and asked how he could turn it down. If Kotomine was offered it then he would accept, but that fact alone you know he was not offered.

>>111251538
No, Kotomine and Kiritsugu were knocked out by the grail mud, Kiritsugu woke up first, Kotomine work up second with a gun to his head, he could only comdemn Kiritsugu for bypassing all he had ever wanted yet again just like before. It was at that point that he finally died, it was only after the fire started that he was alive again. Gilgamesh told Kirei it was Kotomine's will that the fire happened, the joy in his heart at that moment told him all he needed to know about himself.
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>>111248256
So who will be the last Servant in the new LN? Or the main character.
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>>111251587
>>111251451
Right, I remember that.
But that doesn't make sense, after Kerry rejects the grail, Kirei questions him about it and asks for him to be given the grail.
And AM and Kirei share the same wish, so if Kirei was offered the grail, AM would be born then and there.
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>>111240908
Well, as long as the cow still has milk, might as well keep milking.
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>>111251305
>>111251921
It was because of what Kiritsugu said to Saber after taking out Lancer and Fast Wheels. It caught the Manjew's attention and convinced him that Kerry was the one for him. Too bad he was wrong as balls. If you care, I can grab the passage for you.
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>>111251844
>>Grail + Jesus + Angrymanjew = Be Yandere for everyone?

Angya has a special attribute to become sin, but Jesus has a special attribute to cleanse all sin by taking it upon himself and dying with it, as all sin throughout all time was take upon him in that time and discarded as long as you follow him.

Main point, he's anti-Angya, he's Anti-Sin by nature. All the world's evils are not something that will do anything to him, as he has already conquered such a thing in life.
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>>111251972
I care, anon.
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>>111251689
Hey, I went into several TM threads and said that we were going to get Fate again, or if we were really fucking lucky we'd get Fate with some UBW and HF mixed in to resolve a couple of hanging plotlines from the FZ anime.

Imagine all the egg on my face when UBW series, a HF movie, and no Fate anime at all happened.
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>>111251893
>So who will be the last Servant in the new LN? Or the main character.

Saber in this war is a guy who has five command seals, and can summon one servant temporarily with each of them.

It's Fate/STRANGE, as everything is atypical.
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>>111251893
>So who will be the last Servant in the new LN?
That depends on if the "Player" character still exists in the LN.
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>>111251984
>All the world's evils are not something that will do anything to him
So like Gilgamesh, except with more humility?
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>>111252033
There's three people so far who are immune to all evils like that

GIlgamesh, Jesus, and Budda

Budda has an ability where Earthly sin also can't touch him
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I just want to remind everyone that there are now literally people arguing about pure divine beings such as Jesus being summoned in the Heaven's Feel when it was literally stated as not possible in FSN.

That's how awful the lore for the FSN universe has become. Its literally become so bad that people do shit like this. Nothing is canon, but everything is canon.

Fateshit confirmed for worst lore.
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>>111252028
Who's Enkidu's master anyway? A wolf?
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>>111252071
We know it's not possible, it was just a hypothetical.
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>>111251998
Well, nobody believed that ufotable would curse Fate to be forever bound with that DEEN adaptation and mobile release.
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>>111240908
Fate/Grand Saber
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>>111252071
Yeah, gods and divine beings can't be summoned as servants. That's probably also the reason why there's no Guan Yu as a lancer but damn, he'd make a fine lancer
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>>111252108
Someone was trying to summon something using a wolf as sacrifice, and the wolf summoned Enkidu by incident while nearly dying.
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>>111252147
They did it anyway. Based ufotable.
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>>111252162
Herakles ascended to Olympus and became a true god post-death, yet he can still be summoned in his "demigod son of Zeus" state while still walking as a mortal that can presumably die. So there are loopholes.
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>>111252108
Yep. He was the familiar of a mage who was going to take part in the war, but things went wrong and the wolf got the command seals instead.
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>>111252171
That sounds fucking hilarious. I'm looking forward to this the more I hear about it.
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Gilgamesh could beat Jesus
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>>111248256
Is Berserker able to shape-shift into anyone, or just anyone who was suspected to be Jack the Ripper? I've seen places say both.
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>>111247932
Yeah, you're right, I even left out the good/normal endings.
But that was really for the best, because the 8 true endings are called true for a reason and even if the othe ending happened on another timeline, they wouldn't be relevant for this discussion.
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>>111251996
Found it.

>Just then, someone really did speak.

>“…all the evils of this world… it won’t matter… gladly accept it…”

>Aaah, someone was calling ‘It’.

>Blessing and itself were both called by someone.

>Answer him. It must be able to right now.

>The prana whirlpool that had swelled long ago to an incomparable size in the darkness gave ‘It’ a concrete form.

>The endless ‘prayers’ that had been entrusted in the distant past should also be able to be fulfilled right now.

>An ‘existence’ like something that was prayed upon.

>‘Going to do’ all the things that were wished for.

>All the pieces of the puzzle had been assembled.

>The gears of fate grinded together, and were now turning bravely, accelerating with the day of completion as their goal.

>All that’s left – was waiting for the birthing canal to open.

>As ‘It’ dreamed in its shallow slumber, ‘It’ emitted cries that will dye the world crimson red…

>‘It’ also repeated its contractions in the darkness beneath the earth, unknown to anyone else.

The line about accepting all the evils of the world is what Kiritsugu says to Saber after the Kayneth business.
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>>111252238
Strange Fake is pure Narita. Everyone expects Baccano levels of madness and chaos here.
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Everytime I think Nasu cannot fall any lower, he pulls this shit. I guess this pretty much confirms he doesn't give a fuck about Tsukihime fans or fans of other non-Fate works. I'm glad I quit this shit.
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>>111252325
Wow. Fate/Zero is really badly translated.
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So what happens when gilgamesh fights enkidu?
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>>111252205
Soul split, half to Olympus half to Erebus, etc.

Moon Cell can get away with it because it's just reproducing what it recorded, though, hence Saver.
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>>111252378
Enkidu has shapeshifting ability, he becomes all weapons in creation to match GoB down to the last blade.

Last time GIlgamesh fought him he emptied his entire treasury
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>>111252378
They have the time of their lives.
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>>111252365
He is actually working in Tsukihime too. He mentions some stuff about it from time to time (like how he said that his Red Dragon character's personality it is kinda like the new Tohno Shiki in the remake.)
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>>111252445
but arent they super bros? Like will they try to kill each other or just say no thanks and go off to suck each others dicks?
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>>111241210
Oh yeah? My dad is Nasu himself. He beats me up every day.
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>>111252378
Rider gives both of them the Black Death.
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>>111252378
They're pretty evenly matched. Enkidu ran out of clay, and Gil ran out of shit to fling at him. That was before he'd completed his vault, but still.

They probably wouldn't fight to the death willingly, but they would fight.
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>>111252506
They do both.
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>>111252378
Draw.

90% of Enkidu's clay countered Gil's entire treasury, back in the day.

Not just ten, twenty, or thirty weapons (Berserker Lancelot capped out at ~30, from what I remember). All of them. Literally, ALL OF GATE OF BABYLON.

And they both had so much fun that they became best bros for life after the fight.
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>>111252526
>implying Nasu is a male or would ever cheat on Takeuchi
nice try
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>>111252506
They will do both; they are glad to meet each other again, but they will surely fight it out when they meet again. They can't wait to see each other, but at the same time they both want to have this shit out again upon meeting, because that's their relationship.

First time they ever bonded was over a fight.
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>>111252348
But will it get an anime adaptation by Brain's Base with Snatch!-like opening?
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>>111252550
He didn't run out of clay as he's made out of clay, but by the end of the battle he had to use his clothes to keep his body held together at all as there was barely a body left at all.

10% of his body was left in the end, it took a bit of time to put it all back together.
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>>111252668
Yes, that was the point. He ran out of clay to stave off Gilgamesh's attacks -- it's just that Gil also ran out of weapons.
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>>111241316
I wonder why fate/ zero had a boom c:?
Excalibaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Haven't been here in a few days. So UBW's getting an anime, Heaven's Worms is getting an anime, There's a new Fate VN in the works, anything else I've missed?
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>>111252238
Eh but that sounds refreshing for a change
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>>111252731
Free burgers for all fate/stay night fans
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>>111252731
UBW anime
HF anime
Fate/Strange
Fate Grand/Order
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>>111252731
HF is at least 1 film, Fate for ios/android, a new game for the same.
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>>111252731
>There's a new Fate VN in the works
But that's not true?
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>>111251336
Well ok, it was doomed to be a clusterfuck from the beginning then, my point remains.
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>>111252731
UBW TV Anime, HF Theatre Anime, Fate/strange fake LN and Manga, Fate/Grand Order mobile game.
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So it's gonna be like BMW right? I fucking loved the fuck out of that game
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>>111252781
>Fate Grand/Order
Fate/Grand Order
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>>111252856
BMW has Tsukihime in it so it will never be acknowledged.
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>>111252856
>BMW
>>>/o/
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>>111252717
>>111252864
>>/Grand Order/
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>>111252894
I meant gameplay wise
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I hate Fate so fucking much, holy shit.
THe cancer killing Type-Moon.
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>>111252766
Hot damn, this is the best news yet.
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>>111251623
What corrupted the grail was the will of AM, his duty as an entity. It was so strong that it corrupted the grail.
I don't know, but Jesus could balance it very well imo.
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Tell me about Assasin, why does he wear the mask?
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>>111252987
No, his existent as AM is the wish of people. So went he go into the Grail it gran the wish. This happen because Greater Grail active three time without granting wish so with the accumulate energy able to grant one wish.
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>>111253144
If I take that off, will you die
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>>111253144
because Islam is a religion of peace
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>>111253177
Now in English.
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>>111253144

Why does Saber Alter have a mask, where did she get it and what's it called
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>>111252071
Best lore you mean.
The numer of possibilities is infinite, so we can, even theoretical level, discuss things like this.
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>>111253144
He is a big guy
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>>111253224
has no name she's corrupted so we need to change her image. Its a rule of cool thing
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>>111253231
Uh no, lore is only good if it has limits. If you can make any deviantart sonic fanfiction character tier shit and put it into the lore then its horrible.
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>>111253249
For Zouken
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>>111253144
Was getting pinned to a tree while Kotomine exorcised your Master part of your plan?
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>>111253298
But that doesn't apply to Nasuverse, so what's your argument?
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>>111253144
>>111253335

I still feel bad for assassin, he's barely relevant in the adapted material. At least HF will give him more time to shine outside of his F/Z dance routine.
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>>111252071
But only Christians believe Jesus was a god. I doubt Nasu and friends see him as anything else than a holy man, prophet and or avatar or something. Just like the rest of the world.
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>>111253177
Jesus is the wish of billions, he's more than human in every sense.
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>>111253374
>The numer of possibilities is infinite
>But that doesn't apply
Contradicting yourself already. Gotta love it.

You an autis/tg/uy or something?
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>>111252162
>Soiling Fate with Shufags
We already got the superior Lu Bu so we're fine.
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>>111253398
thats because successful or failures, assassins are boring
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>>111248256
Which one of these servants would you want to be master of?
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>>111252238
You should read the existing LN. It's short but was a nice read. Narita had some awesome ideas there.
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>>111253405
Nasu doesn't worship Odin, but he's considered a divine spirit in that universe

Do you not even understand how foolish the thing you just said is? Nasu is all about the Christian symbolism and has shown that he's researched it rather thoroughly, he knows that to Christians Jesus is god. He's not going to go "Well i don't believe Odin is god, so he's just human".
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>>111253398
They're all wraiths who get what they deserve, all except for Zealot-chan.

>>111253427
No, I'm a different guy. Nasuverse doesn't have infinite possibilities, it's pretty limited by each planet being a self-contained reality, but your "people are saying Jesus could be a Servant so the entire company of Type-MOON is dumb" argument seems pretty dumb.
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>>111253442
Even midget head-exploding Assassin?
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>>111253500
You didn't answer if you were cancer that goes to /tg/ or not.
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>>111253405
The Church would freak the fuck out if somebody summoned Jesus, though. Just imagine the shitstorm.
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>>111253449
You'd probably have the best odds with Enkidu. Gil is too unruly.
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>>111252071
People as in random faggots or people as in Nasu?

If it's random people arguing about stupid shit, then congrats, it's every fictional universe ever.

If it's actual TM people, provide a source or fuck off.
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>>111253487
But Odin was never a human. He is a god. Everyone agrees that Odin and others are gods, even if they don't believe in them. Jesus was a human.
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>>111253442
Li Shuwen would like a word.
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>>111253531
Because it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. Attacking the the people that make the argument instead of the argument itself is retarded beyond belief. You probably just want to lump him with "the cancer" so that you can make off-hand generalizations without actually addressing anything he's saying.
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>>111253643
You still didn't answer if you were cancer that goes to /tg/ or not.
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>>111253613
Jesus was both god and human, not just one or the other, but both.

He was fully divine, but also fully human.
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>>111253555
Pretty much this. At least Enkidu sees itself as enough of a weapon that it'd do what you say. Until it sees Gil and tells you to fuck off so they can fight and then bro out.

>>111253628
Best Assassin.

>>111253531
...you didn't answer what the fuck your point is supposed to be? Congrats?
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>>111253643
>>111253500
>>111253685
Confirmed for /tg/ cancer
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>>111253628
im talking about actual assasins, popping out of nowhere at night and slitting your throat, or poisoning your food doesnt make for interesting conversations
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>>111253628
He'll assassin your face with his fist, that's how a real master does it.
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>>111253745
I don't know, that sounds pretty interesting to me.
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>>111253670

>He was fully divine, but also fully human.

Different guy, but depending on how you take it, this could work. It could be like a Herc or Karna sort of deal, where despite being a god by the end, half of them went to the Throne of Heroes, the other half existed as a Divine Spirit. There could be the "fully human" Jesus with a record in the throne, while the "fully divine" still has essence as a Divine Spirit.

Of course, I'm willing to admit I don't know much about Christianity outside of cursory stuff, so that might not work, but it seems like a viable explanation.

Of course, nobody with authority at TM's said "Jesus is eligible," so it doesn't really matter, this is just a headcanon debate which is urgh.
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>>111253670
If Jesus existed he was human. The rest is just some interpretation made by christians. I don't think Nasu or anyone else cares about this unless they are scared of the reactions it could cause but I really doubt there exist christians who would actually get angry because of something like this.
At least not a somewhat modern country but third world places don't sell many manga and anime I guess.
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Why the fuck are people arguing about Jesus as a Servant on here? He'd be the shittiest Servant ever, because all of his powers are Authorities, and using Authorities in the modern day kills you.
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>>111253943
Why not if Buddha was one as well? I liked Buddha.
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>>111253943
Authority isn't a shitty power at all, if summoned he can use them even in modern day, but at a cost.

Authority even in limited use makes you one of the strongest by far.
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>>111253943

Probably can work out in the moon cell.
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>>111254045
Yeah, that'd do it.

>>111253991
Bodhisattvas in Nasuverse are above Mother Goddesses, which are way above the strongest Divine Spirits, there's a difference.

>>111254023
...you know the cost is dying 99% of the time, right? Besides, Jesus has a lot of Authorities, but few are really good for Grail Wars. He can turn your blood into wine for like a worse version of Li Shuwen, I guess, but his physical params would be meh so that wouldn't work out.
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>>111253668
>>111253713
this and only this>>111253643 is me

I just posted to tell you how idiotic you were being. You are the cancer, John.
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>>111253531
When I said "infinite possibilities", I meant that the possible situations are infinite, so we can discuss how would a specific heroic spirit fare against another or what would they do in a certain situation, all while obeying the pre-established rules in the series.
The jesus case was just a hypothetical situation, and the real point was if he would balance Angra Mainyu or not.

And so far on this thread everyone was contributing with quality content and on topic discussions with no shitposting, waifuwars or random hate to be noticed.
That is, until you come here and stir this shit up with your cross-board shitposting.
Sorry to say, but if anything, the only autist here is you.
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>>111248256
I hope the new LN gives us a few more hints regarding the identity of Caster.
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>>111254023
Gae Bolg's a step away from Authorities, except it's better because it basically does what an Authority does without the cost. Jesus doesn't have a "you die, no questions asked" authority.
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>>111254128
It's Dumas. We've known he's Dumas for a while now.
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>>111254125
You still didn't answer if you were cancer that goes to /tg/ or not.
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>>111254045
On the Mooncell all divine spirits become truth above natural phenomenon, meaning authority works in perfection, it works all out.

Anything like Budda or Jesus instantly becomes highest tier there because they have all the powers.

Some people don't seem to understand that they would still be high as fuck tier even on Earth though, because being the most some of the most worshiped figures on Earth at the moment gives a large boost. He's got abilities, but there isn't another figure more legendary than Jesus.

>>111254100
>which are way above the strongest Divine Spirits, there's a difference.

No there isn't, on the Mooncell divine spirits become truth, which is why fully Ammy who has become the Sun itself in the Mooncell is said to be basically the strongest one in CCC or Extra. Even counting Kiara or otherwise, it's said only Arcuied with full power stands a chance against Ammy.

Even one who has become a Bodhisativa, she is said not to stand a chance against Ammy. In the Mooncell you are truth if you are said to have that sort of power
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>>111254138
>Jesus doesn't have a "you die, no questions asked" authority.

Someone doesn't remember that time he did exactly such a thing against a Fig Tree, and a kid in an apocrypha book.
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>>111254282
I can do that too
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>>111253918
>If Jesus existed he was human.
IRL, yeah.
But not in the Nasuverse.
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>>111254332
Only difference is that both times it worked, instantly

The fig tree died in an instant as he commanded it
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>>111254241
Yeah, I know how it works within Moon Cell. I mean outside of Moon Cell. A Bodhisattva in Moon Cell is weaker than a Divine Spirit in there because the deification of natural phenomenon is elevated, etc etc.

Outside of Moon Cell, if the battlefield is earth, it goes:

True Demons (fully incarnated) = TYPEs >= Bodhisattvas > Mother Goddesses > Father of Light Divine Spirit >= Divine Spirits (living) > Divine Spirits (downgraded) > Heroic Spirits > Servants

Without Moon Cell shenanigans weighing them down, Bodhisattvas can have domain over a solar system. It's monstrous.

Fox Face in Moon Cell though is ridiculous. Even outside of Moon Cell she's ridiculous, she has a power of 38 million in comparison to a Servant's power of 100.

I think you just misunderstood what I said, because you're right but non-responsive, as we're basically agreeing.
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>>111254183
I probably missed this then. What was the evidence for that? The last time I checked the discussions people were suggesting a few authors but the hints in the text weren't specific enough.
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>>111254387
>all this bullshit
Thank god Extra is not canon.
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>>111240908
Kiritsugu : "Even if I am to carry "all the evils of this world", it won't matter. If that can save the world, then I'd gladly accept it."
>saving the world
>Is this rotten world worth saving ?
What does Kiritsugu want from Holy Grail really ?
Miracle ?
Change the world into Heaven ?
Messiah that can heal everyone's disease ?
Is there really a better solution than kill few evil people, save many innocent ?
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>>111254209
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>>111253531
epic :^)
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>>111254282
Not him but I didn't know this. I stay away from spoiler threads and haven't read Apocrypha yet. Well, that surely helps.

I hope it won't take too long anymore until the first volume get's fully translated.
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>>111254128
That Jack looks even more like a prostitute than Apocrypha Jack.
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>>111254672
Strange Fake Jack can turn into any person he wants.
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>>111254545
I'm not sure you know what we're talking about

In the Bible Jesus once gave a fig tree the touch of death, and there are certain apocryphal books of the Bible which are currently considered as much where Jesus tamed dragons and told a kid to die, and he did.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18948_5-real-deleted-bible-scenes-in-which-jesus-kicks-some-ass.html

Touch of death is one of Jesus powers, he's got all that sort of stuff going on if he wants. Though it wasn't something he ever felt need to use since he wasn't here to judge anyone, but to forgive them. The fig tree didn't have any fruit for him so he killed it, and then gave a parable to his followers about how a servant who gives nothing will only fall to ruin.
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>>111245907
How was Arturia summoned, though? She's not a heroic spirit or a counter guardian. She's technically still alive as per the legend. Must be time travel shenanigans.
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>>111254387
>Fox Face
Caster?
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>>111254387
I wouldn't take that number seriously. King Protea is roughly on-par with Amaterasu, and yet she can be taken down by several Servants. Numerically, a lot of things Nasu says don't stack up at all.
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>>111254183
>It's Dumas. We've known he's Dumas for a while now.
You don't mean Alexander Dumas, do you?
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