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Nudisto Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeach

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Nudist Beach

First half of series:
>Elite secret force that uses covert tactics IE: long term spying and stealth attacks like Sensei's acupuncture needles.

>also uses guerrilla tactics focused on precise traps and ingenious sowing stylized attacks IE: Tsumugu's bomb/traps and sowing needle machine guns that negate life fibers.

Second half of the series:
>group EASILY wiped out unable to even defend their home base from a single 3-star user. (Nonon one shots most of the underground base)
>all nudist beach tech was not useful the moment was useless the very episodes they were introduced (most all DTR's were destroyed in their introductory episodes)
>the boat
>final episode TIME FOR GATTAI!.... ;_;

Hopes and dreams gone.
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It was a horrible show, expect it to be hated after 2 weeks.
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>>104585974
>mfw GATTAI and subsequent Ragyo ownage
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>>104586284
>2 weeks
I liked it when it aired and I already hate it.
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What was the point of including Tsumugu? He did absolutely nothing relevant for the whole show.
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>>104586284
It was stuff like building up the Nudist Beach organization to be a more prepared force than what it devolved into is one of my hated aspects of this show.
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>>104585974
i think Trigger has a hard on for creating interesting and unique characters just to forget about them.
Remember in the second Gurren Lagann movie where everyone got a Tengen-Toppa sized mech and then became useless 5 seconds after each of their introduction?
Heck, one pair of them even said after their introduction "We will make you remember us!" and then got literally beaten in the very next frame.
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>>104586591
>dat pointless sister backstory that could have been folded into Sensei's backstory
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>>104586631
I can't be the only one though that when we saw then combine that we were hoping they would become a more formidable force than they had been. But I was quickly put back in my place seconds later; silly me for thinking that DTRs and Nudist Beach could be cool.
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>>104585974
That was possibly the biggest let down of the episode. I was looking forward to them maybe being actually useful finally but they just got wiped out instantly. Hell, if they had just been able to help break some people free or something it would have been fine.
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>>104586867
I squealed like a bitch when GATTAI
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>>104586895
didn't their DTR thing destroyed the tower? just for Ragyo to activate the signal herself
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>>104586991
Yeah but it was kind of underwhelming. They combine just to send it off as a missile and have it blow up the tower that Gama was probably going to blow up himself anyways.
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>>104586895
They had to unnecessarily job to show how busted Ragyo's power level was but she was already so off the charts that it was hardly contestable. I agree with you; I wish they could have rescued some people while the elite 4 worked on the shield/device. Hell even fighting some covers in the background would have been ok with me.
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>>104586631
I thought he could have been like Ryuuko's uncle or some shit
Like Ragyo was his sister
But nah they didn't push on that at all
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>anime is called kill la kill
>nobody kills anyone

My biggest disappointment with the show. Anyone who actually does die just kills themselves.
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>>104586724
While we're on people who could have been folded into other people, as much as I liked Iori and Inumuta (both designs were amazing) they could have made the research/info guy the developer as well and been able to focus developing one good background instead of two so-so backgrounds.
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>>104585974

THIS

They really did not care about things outside of Ryuuko and Co.

>Nudisto Beach
>Junketsu
>Even the Devas

Much potential lost there.
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Ep. 5 showed us that he's collecting life fibers. For what reason? The show never told us (Was it to make the life fiber bullet?)

It was also told to us that he's attacking affiliated academies (To gather more life fiber? We don't know).

And of course there is THAT bullet which was never used.


Why all of this was never put to the show I wonder.

People are saying that Trigger scrapped Tsumugu after the 2 week hiatus but is that even possible?

How long do you need to write/animate/dub 1 whole anime episode. Doesn't it take like at least 10 weeks? If yes then the show was already done before the 2nd cour even started. I am throwing numbers out of my ass right now so somebody please correct me.
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>>104587717
As far as him collecting life fibers I agree that probably could have used something of an explanation (maybe for the bullet, maybe just to destroy them, who knows)

As for:
>And of course there is THAT bullet which was never used.
I don't really think that is much of a problem. People like to clamor that this is a "plot-hole" when really it's not.
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>>104587717
The whole show changed at Natural Elections or whatever, Ryuko was suddenly able to defeat the Four Devas one after the other (previously she was defeated by just one, just a couple of chapters back), and the dynamic of Nudist Beach changed instantly after, and the whole anime moved past just the academy, and the life fibers moved completely to the spotlight as the very antagonists. It was almost like the anime was being written by a completely different staff.
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This show would do well with a TTGL treatment where it gets two movies that retell it slightly. Hell, some characters would probably benefit from it and the final battle with Ragyou most definitely would. The ending for KLK (the last two episodes) felt a bit rushed, so it would definitely be great to get the final battle expanded upon. Conversely with TTGL I felt the movies dragged it out a bit too much.
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>>104585974

How many times did you repeat this scene, /a/?
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>>104587969
The TTGL treatment is what killed Kill la Kill.
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>>104587717
As much as I'd like to back you up with citations I just can't remember all of them right now... But I had heard about them scrapping the nudist beach storyline and trying to reign in back in after the hiatus. But here's the thing the anime itself had been written already; might not have been animated, but the story was done. HOWEVER with how many loose ends and inconsistencies there seem to be between the first half and second half there was an obvious editorial change. I just wish we could have seen the original product instead of how it tried to evolve with the audience. Triggers job was to entertain us not us tell them how to entertain us.
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>>104587717
Will probably be used in the OVA against Nui.

Nui and Ryuko are the only ones with life fibers now.
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Could anyone surprass the jobbing of Tsumugu
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>>104588046
Where does this Nui bullshit come from? I see this in every thread. She is fucking dead, just like Ragyou.
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>>104587939
I think possibly, as far as the writing goes, the earlier episodes were probably written in later during the overall story planning. They probably felt they needed to give a bit more of an introduction. The core conflict of the story didn't really arise till the reveal of Ragyou and Nui, possibly not even till Satsuki attempted her coup.
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>>104587717
Tsumugu died somewhere after ep 17.
It is just better that way.
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>>104587969
Ttgl was shit
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>>104588012
That doesn't make any sense.
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They were too old, the show was about youth rising up
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>>104588018

I would really love some kind of an interview from them to know how it really was.
Or at least a decent source ,as of right now it's all speculating.
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>>104588161
Wow. 12 whole threads. You must feel so oppressed.
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Remember when Trigger lied and said there wouldn't be any wasted characters? What a shitty show. It's obvious they were writing this shit as they went along.
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>>104588130
Now you understand the cancer that is nuifags
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>>104588237
Tsumugu and Gamagori can not be that far apart in age.
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>>104588018
Just wait for the remake in 2045. Or maybe they'll really do some movies some day which aren't just a recap with a few new scenes but something which is similar but different or more like the thing they originally planned.
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>>104588316

Tsumugu was an adult when Ryuuko was a small child

He's 30 at least
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>>104588209
>self-contained anime about Ryuuko seeking revenge for his father's death, with the weapons of choice being life fibers, there's a subgroup that's attempting to get rid of life fibers

vs

>over the top conflict about saving the world which is to be consumed whole by an over the top villain while the protagonist is constantly upgraded and upgraded to ludicrous levels until she is way past everybody else and they have a final battle which is dumb with a boring very evident outcome
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>>104588182
If he died during the Satsuki rescue it would have been moving. Seeing a Nudist sacrifice himself for a former enemy for the greater good.
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>>104586284
> after 2 weeks

i give you 9 months
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>>104588158
>the earlier episodes
The earlier episodes comprised half of the anime, though. The core conflict was introduced practically on the second cour.
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>>104587590
Also remember that the miniscule (but still existant) amount of depth to Nui's character is completely lost unless you look into it very hard or learn from an outside source what she was meant to be.

And then there's Ragyo, who became the god emperor of clothes... somehow.
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>>104588605
The earlier episodes were a very nice buildup to a big scale conflict, however it should have happened much earlier.
If they trashed the Raid Trip and put Satsuki's coup right there, in episode 14 instead, it would have been much better overall, with more time to properly show how the different characters flesh out and what exactly they're fighting. 10 episodes is a lot of time to do it well, as opposed to just 6 with 3 wasted on a nigh-pointless arc.
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>>104588285
I didn't really feel there were any "wasted" characters. If we're going to compare this to TTGL, then KLK certainly did better in this regard. TTGL had loads side characters that had a few lines of dialogue that went absolutely nowhere. KLK at least had stronger characterization for most of them and kept its central characters and side characters far more relevant than TTGL; Ryuuko, Satsuki and Mako certainly, but also E4, Iori, NB and Mankanshokus (to a lesser extent). With TTGL though aside from Simon, Kamina, Nia, Yoko and (to a lesser extent) Kittan and Rossiu we didn't get much. Everyone else was just completely marginalized to background status.
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Yeah, I didn't like that. Even in episode 5 it sounds like Aikuro and Tsumugu has higher ups then in episode 15 it turns out they are the higher ups. I don't even know what happened with 16 onwards but that was another issue I didn't like.

I mean on one hand I understood why ryuuko was raging but it's a trope I don't care for and it just gave rise to more shitposting and then on the other hand you have Nui who should've been dead in episode 22 from the perfect build up but nope, just have Houououououououmaru come and snatch her up and pretty much ruin the flow of the ending.
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>>104588741
Devas and Nudists were wasted. They were completely non-entities for the most of second cour.
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A-at least they destroyed the antenna
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>>104588474
How is that giving it the "TTGL treatment"?
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>>104588797
>Devas
>wasted

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>104588456
It is still not confirmed if the scene with his sister's death in Isshin's lab is immediately after Ryuuko was born. It could have been more recent.
He is probably in his early 20s, again, close to Gamagori's age.
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>>104588772
And in episode 3 Aikuro was ready to jump in and save Ryuko from Satsuki, don't forget that.
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>>104588806
What do you mean by TTGL treatment? The second part of TTGL was that, ludicrous upgrade after ludicrous upgrade leading to the ridiculous finale.
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>>104588832
Woah, one of them got more developed and wasn't completely useless in the finale.
That's awesome.
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>>104588797
>They were completely non-entities for the most of second cour.
>non-entries
>Devas saved Satsuki
>Devas were assisting her in every situation
>Naked Sun was responsible for stopping the OLF
>NB broke down the shield in the final episode

Meanwhile in TTGL all the side characters died pointless deaths that were retconned in the second movie.
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>>104588923
Only wasted one was doggie, if you could count any of them wasted.
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>>104588736
>however it should have happened much earlier.
That's what I'm saying. It was introduced so late, that it seems like a different team decided to rewrite everything.
It's ridiculous to think that a show that pats itself in the back for being fast-paced would take so long to develop the plot, especially when it isn't even a complicated one. Or maybe Trigger is that useless? I don't even know.
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They just should have stuck with a simple formula of monster of the week + Ryuuko's revenge.
It's like "door-monster-treasure" in RPGs, it is basic but never fails.

Also ALIENS. Why does everything turn to shit every time aliens or introduced midway.
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>>104588958
I meant that they weren't even the characters we got to know in the first part. They were just there for catchphrases and muh resolve.
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>>104588736
I was okay with the Raid Trip honestly, it was an interesting twist in the sense that you actually find yourself rooting for the antagonists. It could have been shortened a bit though, maybe by taking some time out of ep13 (Ryuuko in her slump) and taking some time out from introducing the other academies and focusing more on Osaka. But I did feel that they let the Naturals Election drag a bit too long. Ep 8 and 9 could have probably been rolled into one episode, as for 10 and 11. Still, the Naturals Election did serve a good purpose of fleshing out the Devas and giving us some of their backstory and motivations. Also the entire Natuals Election arc gave us (strong) hints as to Satsuki's true motivations and goals, cluing us into the possibility that she and Ryuuko are not true enemies.
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>>104589057
>I meant that they weren't even the characters we got to know in the first part.
Episodes 6, 8, and 9 says otherwise.
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>>104588797
The Devas remained relevant throughout the second cour. NB did as well in terms of assisting the devas in battle as well as providing the base and Naked Sol. The only thing they flubbed on was having Tsumugu and Aikurou staying so weak in their souped up DTRs.
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>>104589139
These episodes only prove that they were reduced to mindless machines compared to their earlier buildup.
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>>104588736
I was wondering what episodes could be cut to make Kill la Kill better and it comes to the raid trip which is only relevant for nudist beach to do nothing and show Ryuuko is stronger without senketsu and 19-20 timeskip with Ryuuko storming off and timeskip and while I liked the battlefield trip it doesn't do too much.
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>>104588958
Frankly, the only essential Deva was Gama. Inu could have been fused with Iori and the plot wouldn't have changed. Nonon and Sangeyama's plots went nowhere - as beloved as they were, they could have been written out. Nonon had a thing with Satsuki that wasn't properly expanded on, and Monkey's resolve ended up not mattering in the final fight
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>>104588797
Devas were not wasted what so ever. Maybe your favorite Deva did not get the screen time you wanted but the 4 Devas together were written well and their end resolve at the end of the show left nothing un answered.

Trigger did a great job keeping them involved in the plot throughout the entire show.


Nudists were sloppy and thrown together compared to them when it comes to writing.
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>>104589030
Trigger IS useless. What did we learn about the villains from the show alone?
What did we learn about Junketsu?
These are just two issues from a truckload.
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>>104589198
To be fair I thought Monkey had some nice development. And when he finally revealed that his eyes were open in the finale it was very cathartic. I'm not even a Monkeyfag but it was a great moment.
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>>104589033
At least ALIUMS was better than everything /a/ was predicting
>no, life fibers are humans turned into clothing
>no, life fibers are a soul
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>>104589173
Not really. I don't see how that;s any different. They just gave reason as to why each one of them had a reason to serve Satsuki which ultimately came together in episode 22 when they defended her against Ryuuko's punch.
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>>104589213
Only one Deva's plotline moved anywhere. Other than that they were just there for some fight shots and occassional dialogue which amounted to nothing in the end.
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>>104589167
>The Devas remained relevant throughout the second cour.
They remained relevant until the coup, then they became thoroughly unimportant, together with Satsuki.
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>>104589294
And then he got condomed.
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>>104588868
I pretty explicitly described what I meant by the TTGL treatment in my earlier post: i.e. remaking the series into two movies and expanding on segments that were underdeveloped in the main series.
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>>104585974
>>104587717
>>104588772


I bet the original story is darker with some of 4deva is killed, then they realize this character more FUN than tsumugu.Trigger is trying to avoid TTGL route of killing favorite character, how many people will drop this show if gamagori got killed or mako ded?

so shut up about nudisto beach, they are actually pretty boring part
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>>104587717
>(Was it to make the life fiber bullet?)
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>>104589198
Nonon's was resolved though.
>hurr I'm Satsuki's bestie never forget it
>Oh man, she and Satsuki must have a special bond or something
>nah, just Nonon being a brat because she's know Satsuki the longest
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>>104588161
You would probably kill yourself during Geass Sundays.
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>>104589198
Gama didn't do anything more than the others
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>>104589294
It was a great moment - but it didn't answer the "So what?" question. He wasn't particularly useful in the final fight anyway. There would have been little difference if his eyes were still sealed. Maybe Ragyo isn't surprised for a half-second. Whoop-de-doo
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>>104589311
All they did in the post-18 episodes was yell how loyal they are to Satsuki.
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>>104589400
Opposite, actually. The story was apparently more lighter but then they made it darker in the second half
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>>104589243
>What did we learn about the villains from the show alone?
What more did we need to learn about the villains?
>What did we learn about Junketsu?
Who cares honestly? Junketsu was another Kamui manufactured by REVOCs for Satsuki to wear. Does it need any more elaboration?
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>>104589390
>remaking the series into two movies and expanding on segments that were underdeveloped in the main series.
But they didn't do that they just simiplified the events, removed what little character development they were and retconned character deaths.
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>>104589495
but muh junketsu voice
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>>104589243
>What did we learn about Junketsu?
It was made by REVOCS what else do you need. They are rich and can do it, so why not
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>>104588832
>>104585974
>Streaming
Why are you so shit, KlK fanbase?
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>>104589452
They'd have gone full clothing if Satsuki had done so. Fucking boot licking fascism enablers.
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>>104589033
I didn't really have a problem with the aliens reveal. It didn't really change the arc of the conflict. If it wasn't aliens then it would have been some other explanation like magic or a scientific experiment gone wrong.
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>>104588858

Just adding pictures to refresh memories.
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Are Sensei's and Tsumugu's dicks just handing out? Is that what the lens flare is for?
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>>104589452
...which is no different from what they were in teh first cour. 6, 8, and 9 established why all of them are with Satsuki as well as give them backstory everything that came after were just reiterations of those and to prove that they weren't just all talk.
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>>104589495
>What more did we need to learn about the villains?
What makes them tick, what made them do all this, how did they get their powers.
Would you rather have all villains reduced to THIS IS THE EVIL GUY HIT HIM?
>Who cares honestly? Junketsu was another Kamui manufactured by REVOCs for Satsuki to wear. Does it need any more elaboration?
Yes. Did he have a will of his own? Was he just a tool? Who made him? Was he a Kiryuin heirloom or Isshin's prototype?
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>>104589606
>>104588772
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Remember when the OST came out and saved Christmas?
There were 2 songs that had not aired yet in the show. I want to know, and Till I die. People figured out "I want to know" but there were so many speculations on "Till I die"

So many people had thought it was a love song between RyuukoXfill-n-the-blank. Recall the scene when Trigger uses the song, then go listen to the track. The staff did a great job at writing the Devas.
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>>104589629
In the first cour they seemed more like actual living people of their own, not Satsuki's meatshields and tools.
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>>104589594
>It didn't really change the arc of the conflict.
Yes they did. It's like atom bombs suddenly becoming sentient and attempting to conquer the world in the middle of an armed conflict.

Planet-consuming alien lifeforms is such a baffling direction to take I still can't wrap my head around it.
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>>104589662
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>>104589647
>Yes. Did he have a will of his own? Was he just a tool? Who made him? Was he a Kiryuin heirloom or Isshin's prototype?
No, Yes, REVOCS, no, no.
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>>104588474
Agreed. Second cour, while fun, was only fun because I watched it live with /a/. Going back to rewatch it later, I know I will hate the second cour. First cour was interesting and raised a lot of questions for the viewer, only to never answer them later. Plus, aliums.
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>>104589804
Where in the show was it stated that he was done by REVOCS?
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>>104589687
It fits incredibly well with the last scene of Ryuuko and Senketsu as well which I wonder why they didn't put it in
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>>104589647
junketsu was basically an overpowered Cover suit
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>>104589647
>What makes them tick
They love life life fibers and believe them to be the next step in the evolution food chain.
>what made them do all this
Ragyo grew up following her family's philosophy that they held on to for over 400 years thanks to the influence of the OLF. The reason she's like that is because that's how she was raised. Nui is the same deal. Ishhin saved Satsuki and Ryuuko from the same fate as her mother and half sister.
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>>104589189
Ep 4 didn't need to exist, despite it being very entertaining. Eps 8 and 9 could have been turned into a single episode. Eps 10 and 11 could have as well. Eps 13 - 15 (Senketsu getting torn up and the Raid Trip) could have been condensed into two episodes. I think cutting the Raid Trip out entirely would be a bit of a mistake though considering it helps to show how Ryuuko's motivations are changing. Also the Eps 21 and 22 could have been made into one episode.

Really though I wish this was a 26 ep + OVA series rather than 24 + OVA.
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>>104589856
And where is that stated in the show?
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>>104589848
It's implied.
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>>104586284
>It was a popular show, expect it to be hated after 2 weeks.

FTFY
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>>104589707
>In the first cour they seemed more like actual living people of their own
Not really. Uzu had his episode though but the rest were all about Satsuki-sama first. You can argue that they were planning something with Inu given that he just willingly gave up his bout with Ryuuko in episode 9 and the fact that his past story made it seem like he didn't willingly follow Satsuki like the rest of the Devas.
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>>104589919
So in the end all you have is implications and speculation.
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>>104589848
It was actually made by Isshin, it is revelaed in a flashback when Isshin tells Satsuki that was going to be her wedding dress. Sorry, I remembered that just now.
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>>104589856
>400 years in possession of the OLF
>nips
>controlling something below Paris since 1600s
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>>104589340
They rescued Satsuki from Honnouji with NB. They also, together with Satsuki, helped save Ryuuko from Junketsu. Then they continuously assisted Ryuuko and Satsuki throughout the final battle. They were never unimportant.
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>>104587408
>still being a dense faggot who doesn´t know the title Kill la Kill is a pun
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>>104589984
That doesn't mean he made it, just that he knew what it was for.
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>>104589911
Episode 16 and episode 18
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>>104589886
I didn't even know it was 24 episodes until 22, I thought it was 25 or 26 like you said the whole time
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Maybe I remember wrong, but isn't there a discrepancy regarding the look change of Isshin? Correct me if I talk shit, but I am pretty damn sure that we saw a scene in which S?ichir? was "killed" by Hitler-kun and changed his look to Isshin after that - this happened when Ryuuko was still a baby. But in earlier episodes we see 5-year-old Satsuki who learns the truth from S?ichir? when he finally told her what her mother has done.

This doesn't make sense since Ryuuko was crealy a baby during that time or at least she wasn't four years old (one year younger than Satsuki) when he became Isshin. And even if she was four, then wouldn't she have wondered about the change of look of her father and would have remembered this change? And if this was the case that would mean that he already found her years ago and raised her? But if he knew Ryuuko was alive when Satsuki was 5 then why didn't he tell this to her after he said all the other stuff about her mother. Not to mention that he was only killed 6 months ago, but never tried to contact Satsuki anymore whom he tried to turn against Ragyou.
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>>104589911
Episode 16 where Ragyo showed Satsuki the OLF and it's significance to the family and episode 18 detailing her backstory.
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>>104589521
They expanded on a few aspects of the second half of TTGL with the second movie. The first movie they condensed more than anything though.
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>>104589856
>They love life life fibers and believe them to be the next step in the evolution food chain.
Yeah, and how did they come to that conclusion? I mean, it's not an usual standpoint to have, sacrificing your life and whole race for another race to propser. There should be some kind of reason. And why was Ragyo so powerful and part-life fibers when just after that, she had to do a shitton experiment to emulate it again with her children?
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>>104590053
He was the head of research, so he probably was pretty involved with it, come on dude, don't be so fucking dense.
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>>104589687

Where was Till I die used? I don't remember it at all from the show?
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>>104590058
Nope. All that's shown there is what Ragyo did and what she wants. WHY she wants that is only implied around 21 when she takes the yarn ball for a ride.
And there is still no answer to how she became a hybrid.
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>>104590070
Yup, shitty writing.
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>>104589662
>>104589746
HQ was one of the Takarada conglomerate's fronts.
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>>104589451
He and the devas were at least more useful than NB and the DTRs...
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>>104590070
In that scene you can see Ryuuko is just a little toddler, so it can be amused he kept her alive for a few years then finally decided to smuggle her out and raise her after he told Satsuki the truth
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>>104590029
>They rescued Satsuki from Honnouji with NB
They brought a chopper to Honnouji while Raygo was distracted. Ironically, actually introducing the chopper into Honnouji was more of a NB feat. And hooray for saving the useless character.
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I think Trigger just did more harm than good when it comes to these guys.
Trigger does an amazing job with creating likable characters and can sometimes spend a little too much effort reminding us they exist and we should like them.

But with only 24 episodes and a character base 20 strong it is just not possible for trigger to continue the main plot while writing resolves that all the well written characters deserve.
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>>104590133
>Yeah, and how did they come to that conclusion?
Being fused with it and once again the tradition of the family and their teachings, you can even see it in her dialogue whether she goes on about how great it feels and how lowly humans are.
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>>104590303
So they forgot how to do it by the time Satsuki and Ryuko were born?
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>>104589687
I think they dropped the ball by not playing Till I Die at the end when Senketsu was burning up.

Is that something studios typically do with BD releases? Can they go back and amend parts of the soundtrack?
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I haven't seen it mentioned but this little part of one of the biggest FUCK YEAH moments for me.
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>>104590165
>Nope. All that's shown there is what Ragyo did and what she wants
What? In episode 16 it blatantly explains the significance of the OLF in the family, she is following the traditions of the family since that's how she was raised. It's not that fucking complicated.
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>>104590215
Yeah but the problem is that this scene was after the killing attempt and during his transformation to Isshin. But he was still S?ichir? when he was telling the truth to Satsuki in earlier episodes.

Ep. 18 (I think it was 18):
Satsuki is 5 years old = S?ichir? is still S?ichir? (not Isshin).
Ep. 19:
Ryuuko is 0-1, Satsuki 1-2 years old: S?ichir? changes to Isshin.
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Reminder that best servant lived.

However more backstory about her would have been nice.
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>>104589729
But it doesn't make a difference because the enemy was Ragyou and life fibers all along. It doesn't matter whether the life fibers were aliens, or some other magical mcguffin.
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>>104590400
Fine then, how did she become a hybrid?
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>>104590303
>once again the tradition of the family and their teachings
I think you misunderstood it, SHE began those traditions and teachings.
>you can even see it in her dialogue whether she goes on about how great it feels and how lowly humans are.
But she's not life fiber.
She's only PART life-fiber, which means she'll probably be consumed by them for their expansion, just like Nui or Hououmaru.
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>>104590155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xWGL0KFJYk

ep 22.
The way they played the song it is by the Devas to Satsuki. Song never airs again after that
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>>104590400
What? No dude, the 400 years was mistranslated if I'm not mistaken. It was Ragyo who first discovered the OLF, not her forefathers
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>>104590357
Do what?
>>104590165
Rewatch the damn episodes. She explains how the OLF shaped the family for 400 years and she was just following their will. In episode 18 we're given another glimpse into this it's also the benchmark as to why Isshin betrayed her.
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>>104590507
How to fuse with life fibers.
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>>104590264
>Satsuki
>Useless character
Look, just because she isn't the MC (Ryuuko) doesn't mean she's useless.
By that argument every character that isn't MC for any story is "useless".
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>>104590446
>I think you misunderstood it, SHE began those traditions and teachings.
Wrong. They've been in the family for 400 years.
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>>104590500
Wasn't it translated as 200 instead of 20? At least that's how I remember it.
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>>104590439
>But it doesn't make a difference because the enemy was Ragyou and life fibers all along.
Raygo wasn't really important to the plot. She was more like an enabler for Satsuki antics. The one who provided the bucks for Satsuki's research and uniforms. It was until after the trip that Raygo acquired importance. Yes, life fibers even changed the antagonist, if you haven't noticed yet.
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So who else watched the last episode naked

It was a pretty fitting way to watch it considering how the it went

Also because the episode finished downloading as soon as I got out of the shower
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>>104590446
>>104590500
>No dude, the 400 years was mistranslated if I'm not mistaken.

This is the first time I'm hearing of this.
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>>104590569
Really? I remember something else, I'm redownloading the episode to check it.
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>>104587717
Some people tried to explain it away with red herrings and shit, but if you look at things like >>104590403 it seems to become obvious that everything is just outright bad writing or even an direct contraction.
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>>104590648
I think Daiz came out to admit the mistake immediately after the episode was released.
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>>104590553
>By that argument every character that isn't MC for any story is "useless".
Only if it's as terrible as Kill la Kill
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>>104590500
>>104590569
>>104590615
She said she was doing her role as the heir to the Kiryuuin family name. She said she was no longer human, but a life fiber monster. She didn't become that way because she really liked the life fibers or anything, she just did what her family and been waiting to do for 400 years.
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>>104590404
I'm half expecting her to make a cameo appearance in the ep25 OVA. Maybe possibly even introducing a (very) minor conflict.
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>>104590615
>>104590648
Something like that, underwater's commentary they say the 200 is supposed to be 20. 200 referring to the time Ragyo came in contact with the OLF.
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>>104590725
Then what was even the point of making the life fiber hybrids?
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>>104590444
Who cares?
Maybe her own parents hybridized her when she was born and died before they could tell her?
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>>104590725
But then, how did she become a life fiber hybrid because of her "family traditions", but then had to conduct a shitton experiments to do it again for Ryuuko?
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>>104590725
>holding up the family tradition of becoming life fiber hybrids for 20 years

yeah ok
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>>104590807
>Who cares?
I don't know, people who care about the plot coherence?
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Remember the hype of ep 5?
What a waste of a great character.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmYWj5c9Gw
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>>104590884
>20 years

Are you just pretending to be stupid now?
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Only good thing about the episode was Satsuki and Ryuukos moment and Gamagoori returning to the battlefield the same way he was introduced.
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>>104590630
You're a true Nudist. Be proud.
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>>104590938
If they let him fight like that and keep up to the Devas he'd steal the fucking show.
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>>104590264
>>104590029

The only reason why we have all these "NB were useless all the time" and "Monkey didn't have his final moment/duel" is because there are no particular "FUCK YEAH" moments with them.
Like when Gama fell from the sky after cheating death and dismantled the transmiter.
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>>104590938
>Just look how these life fiber suppressing needles can be powerful if they're used correctly!
>lol no, they don't work anymore, fuck Tsumugu
Godammit, Trigger
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>>104590625
>Raygo wasn't really important to the plot.
Ragyou was practically the conduit for the OLF's and Nui's actions in the first place. She's not the "enabler" for Satsuki antics, she and the OLF are *the* reason for them.
>Yes, life fibers even changed the antagonist, if you haven't noticed yet.
It was hinted at pretty early on that Satsuki and the Devas weren't the true threat. Hell, I think even since ep6 when Ragyou was first introduced. They just shifted some of the antagonists into the protagonist camp, but they never stopped Ragyou or Nui or OLF from being antagonists themselves.
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>All Life Fiber destroyed
>Ragyos says there are more on their way to earth
>They are all fucked
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>>104588456
The whole Kinue story doesn't make any sense on the hindsight. We don't even know when it happened, it doesn't add to the plot and they kept her identity and look a secret for like half of the series for- what? They could just have outright said who she is because she isn't related to anybody but Tsumugu. So he could have said that his sister was killed and explain his hate towards life fibers but instead they always talked about "that woman" and he cares way too much about a stranger like Ryuuko who is basically just a random schoolkid from his point of view. Which is why we all assumed that she was part of his family. Then the haircolors and the part when he heard Senketsu talk.

Nobody will ever convince me that they didn't mess up the plot and that this was planned from the very beginning.
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>>104591008
>is because there are no particular "FUCK YEAH" moments with them.
It's called a catharsis, Kill la Kill had none.
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>>104591084
>on their way
There are more spread around the universe you tit. Not on their way to Earth.
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>>104590893
How Ragyou got hybridized has nothing to do with plot coherence, and it's not important to the story. Revealing how it happened would amount to little more than background fluff.
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>>104590392

I read your post after posting mine >>104591008 and I realised that they weren't actually THAT useless as everyone says. Kinda forgot about that part.
They also had the Naked Sun which was kinda cool.
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>>104591108
They did.
If you rewatch the series it's fairly coherent and works very well up until episode 18, with raid trip being somewhat of a weak point.
Everything that happens afterwards seems like a patchwork of old ideas and new ones held by spit and duct tape.
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>>104590972
and Senketsu's last words.
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>>104591205
It has, because if she was a successful hybrid and it was family tradition then why did they have to research hybridization later?
It was never even mentioned whether she was just a fluke or not.
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>>104591108
A Kamui needs to consume a human person in order to become sentient. The reason Tsumugu was able to hear Senketsu was because he was his sister
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Episode 1:
>Don't show that it's Aikuro that led Ryuko downstairs (Show just the legs and arm with a remote)

Episode 3 (Infodump ep):
>Aikuro's reveal that he led Ryuko to Senketsu along with the stuff from episode 2 is moved here.
>One or two scenes of Satsuki training with Junketsu to put him on, with Devas comentating
>Ends on a cliffhanger of Junketsu's transformation

Episode 4:
>Ryuko/Satsuki fight from last episode moved here.
>Satsuki gives an flashback describing why she is planning to unite all of Japan, which Ryuko finds quite stupid.
>Episode ends with a shot of Tsumugu driving down the highway to Honnouji

Episode 5:
>Trap Queen episode

Episode 6:
>Tsumugu episode

Episode 7:
>Sanageyama ep

Episode 8:
>Fight Club ep
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Oh yeah, the naked apes sure stand a chance against the lewd nazi life fiber overlady. Let's trust the fate of mankind on these guys.
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What is trigger working on for after LWA?
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>>104591008
I can agree with that. NB characters really could have used some FUCK YEAH moments, especially after being jobbed so hard during their fight with Ryuuko, etc. They really deserved a bit more.

>>104591116
KLK had plenty of catharsis. Ep 22 was practically all catharsis.
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>>104591336
Episode 9:
>General election announcement
>Episode focusing on Senketsu and Junketsu from their perspectives
>Senketsu/Ryuko training with Aikuro and maybe Tsumugu, learning a tiny bit more about them/Nudist Beach
>Junketsu seen speaking for the first time, but Satsuki shuts him up before getting much out.
>Five days until the elections

Episode 10:
>Gamagori episode
>Pretty much episode 8 but with more Gama backstory and a bit more of the fight.

Episode 11:
>End of Gamagori fight. Reveal that the next fight is Inumuta

Episode 12:
>More backstory on Inu
>Fight lasts a bit longer, but is still forfeited.
>Satsuki having a phonecall with Ragyo, she mentions that the tournament should get "interesting"
>Episode ends with Nonon starting her fight by transforming into Symphony Regalia

Episode 13:
>Nonon fight episode.
>Bit more backstory and info.
>Tsumugu delivers the life-fiber bullet
>Episode ends before Ryuko vs Sanageyama

Episode 14:
>Sanageyama gets his fight, but is still cut short by Nui after ten minutes
>Ryuko gets a 4th form: Senketsu Tetsu (Defense focused armored mode)
>Nui starts fighting Ryuko, taunting her
>All 4 Devas remarking this situation as odd, Satsuki freaking the fuck out
>Ends on cliffhanger of Nui having killed Ryuko's dad

Episode 15:
>Plays out the same way as episode 12 did but with a combination of Senketsu's "death" from episode 13 at the end.
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>>104590630
I watched it in only my underwear. But then again thats how I do everything.
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>>104591336
>Trap Queen episode
Just trash it. They had no time to work with the plot in the end, why keep filler?
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>>104591301
>and it was family tradition then why did they have to research hybridization later?
It states that her family ha been waiting for 400 years
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>>104591108
It it obvious Trigger intended Tsumugu to be an older brother of Ryuuko. They even had the whole "Onii-chan, you pervert!" thing going on.
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>>104591408
Episode 16:
>School raid begins.
>Ryuko back with Aikuro/Tsumugu, telling her what's happened in the past week she's been passed out.
>Kyoto and Kobe are taken out before the episode ends

Episode 17:
>Nudist Beach shows up in Osaka to aid Takarada
>Ryuko has assembled all of Senketsu except for one part.
>Said part has merged with Junketsu
>Satsuki can now thus use Senketsu's other forms in a fight against an imperfect Senketsu
>Aikuro/Tsumugu provide a distraction for Ryuko to take the last piece, resulting in an evenly-matched fight between Ryuko/Satsuki
>Satsuki is surprised that she can hear Ryuko and Senketsu talking

Episode 18:
>Nudist Beach infodump from 16+17 combined
>Meanwhile Ragyo tells Satsuki to prepare the school festival

Episode 19:
>Satsuki is shown the Original Life Fiber, and stays at the mansion
>At the mansion, she has a talk with Junketsu, and Junketsu lets lose what Ragyo has planned
>Ends the same way as episode 17

Episode 20:
>Instead of taking Junketsu from Satsuki, Ragyo reveals her own Kamui (Koketsu)
>Satsuki/Ryuko fight on even terms with Ragyo
>Ryuko and Satsuki are revealed to both be part life-fibers, sending Ragyo in a berserk state again.

Episode 21:
>Ragyo uses life fibers to take control of berserker Ryuko, leaving Satsuki and the Devas to deal with both her and Nui.
>Ragyo unleashes the COVERs, who are commanded by Hooumaru
>Ryuko breaks through her berserk state by help of both Satsuki and Mako, but gets angry again when Mako gets COVERed
>Satsuki passes out from her fight and is kidnapped by Ragyo
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>>104591301
>if she was a successful hybrid and it was family tradition then why did they have to research hybridization later?
Maybe it wasn't a family tradition and the OLF just fucked with her in some inexplicable way?
It doesn't matter one iota how Ragyou got the way she was. It wouldn't alter the central conflict in the slightest and wouldn't alter the plot at all.
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>>104589911
You're an idiot. Seriously.
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>>104591357
22 failed to deliver and I say this as a ryuukofag. You know what everyone wanted? Nui dead with Ryuuko coming back as icing on the cake.

What we got was Nui getting mocked then rescued and Ryuuko coming back. It doesn't even help that she got her arms back in the final episodes, might as well not lopped em off in the first place.
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>>104591494
>>104591408
>>104591336
That's just making it shittier.
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Do you think that it is possible that the "magic bullet" might be used to bring Senketsu back if the fibers are extracted out of it? Perhaps with Ryuuko's blood and some time (and more fibers from somewhere?) Senketsu could be brought back. Thoughts?
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>>104591494
Episode 22:
>One month timeskip occurs
>Ryuko, angry that she couldn't save Mako, leaves Nudist Beach+Devas and goes searching for answers back at Isshin's mansion
>Meanwhile Nudist Beach plans to take back Ragyo
>Ryuko and Senketsu have a long talk about how things have played out for the past month she's been out of it, and how she can't do this alone
>Mako is rescued from a COVERs, and joins Nudist Beach
>The group heads out to Honnouji Academy to discover that Ragyo has put Satsuki in a berserk state via a month of agitating about the loss of her sister and her compatriots

Episode 23:
>Berserk Satsuki fights against the 4 Devas and Tsumugu while Ryuko arrives on the scene and has to deal with Nui.
>Tsumugu uses the life fiber bullet on Satsuki while the 4 Devas pin her down, knocking her out of the berserk state.
>A Tacticool Retreat is performed, Taking Satsuki and Junketsu back with them.
>Ryuko and Senketsu have a talk with Junketsu, his backstory is told.
>Created by Ragyo for Satsuki, but was disappointed at how she couldn't handle it at a young age and passed out mid-synchronization
>While Satsuki was at school and junk, Ragyo and Nui trained Junketsu for the day Satsuki would have to wear him.
>Ryuko and Senketsu ask Junketsu where his loyalty lies: with Satsuki or Ragyo. Before he can answer Nui shows up on the Naked Sun.
>Meanwhile the Original Life Fiber takes off heading for Honnouji
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I wish that Gamagori and Sangeyama both had fights. I would have loved to see Nui vs Monkey, his sword looks so beastly and he only lost to Ryoku the first time because his suit couldn't handle himself. Also Gamagori should have got a new pink car.

Also in that episode where Satsuki asked monkey if he thought he snuck up on her twists I would have had him say yes the second time she asked.
And I would have changed Gamagoris first two Goku uniforms.

Gamagori>>>>>>>>
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>>104591561
How is Nui suffering disappointing at all?
24 failed to deliver in a few ways, but certainly not 22.
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>>104591494
>Ryuko and Satsuki are revealed to both be part life-fibers
Worst idea ever. Go to sleep.
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>>104591614
Episode 24:
>Ryuko and Nui fight on top of the Naked Sun
>Inumuta tosses Ryuko Bakuzan Koryu to fight with
>Satsuki gets up, and tells Junketsu that she's going out to fight Nui saying that he can leave if he doesn't want to fight Nui and Ragyo
>Cuts back to Ryuko and Nui fighting. Satsuki appears surprising Nui giving Ryuko an opening to cut off her Sword-wielding arm.
>Nui in shock of losing her arm gives Ryuko a chance to cut off the other arm for good measure.
>Hooumaru rescues Nui saying that she is still needed.
>Ryuko and Satsuki make their amends. Nudist Beach and Student Council are officially one in the same.
>They head off before being stopped by Hooumaru's COVERs

Episode 25:
>Scissor Sisters take off to deal with the Original Life Fiber and Ragyo
>Using the life fibers from Nui's arms, Iori creates a 3-Star uniform for Mako who becomes the PunchGhost
>She PunchGhosts the fuck out of the Covers, gaining more Life Fibers for the others to use
>Ryuko and Satsuki fight Ragyo in the same way as in episode 23, except after Satsuki's ruse she joins Ryuko in taking out the core.
>Hoonmaru returns to Ragyo, saying she's upset on how her attack turned out. Ragyo does not care, as everything is still going keikaku door.
>Episode ends with them discussing the final plan over tea.
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>>104591696
and there i thought trigger did a shoddy work.
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>>104591507
>It doesn't matter one iota how Ragyou got the way she was
>It doesn't matter one iota how the big villain got how she is now!
I hope you never write a plot.
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>>104591696
Episode 26:
>They all reach Honnouji academy, finding out that Nui has been reworking Koketsu into Shinra Koketsu, who's power is supposedly stronger than both Kamuis combined
>Ragyo absorbs Hoomaru so that she can directly control the COVERs
>Ryuko/Satsuki fight off Ragyo
>Sanageyama/Nonon/Gamagori/Tsumugu fight off Nui
>Meanwhile Aikuro, Inumura, Iori, and Mako head to Satsuki's office
>Ryuko and Satsuki are on even terms with Ragyo, who tells Nui to merge with the Original Life Fiber and defeat everyone
>Iori decides to use THAT, transforming Honnouji into a giant uniform to fight off Nui
>Using the Naked Sun as a sword, combined with Senketsu Senjin Shippu/Junketsu Senpu Zenkan, they defeat Nui.
>Ragyo merges with Nui and Original Life Fiber, becoming Harime-Shinra Koketsu

Episode 27:
>Ragyo flies into space
>Everyone trying to figure out what else they can do
>Ryuko gives her speech, everyone gives Ryuko and Satsuki their life fibers so they can go Super Sonic to go and defeat Ragyo
>They fight her off, while Ragyo tells what will happen once the COVERs take over the earth
>The two of them cross-cut her heart, dealing with her for good
>Before she passes on, she gives her whole spiel on how the Life Fibers will return
>Senketsu and Junketsu take Ryuko and Satsuki back to earth, while the two Kamui say they won't make it back with them
>Senketsu and Junketsu burn up mid-entry
>They are caught by everyone on top of Honnouji Robo
>Last five minutes of the episode are the flashback seen in the ending expanded out, seeing everyone a year later.
>Ryuko hears a voice in a crowd that sounds like Senketsu, but she can't figure out where it is coming from.
>Cue THE END
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>>104591763
Same could be said of you, considering you have no concept of what an actual plot-hole is, or even plot coherence for that matter.
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>>104591781
Never write anything in your life. Please. Do it for humanity's sake.
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Ragyo never had the daughter she wanted that's why she made Nui, a male using "Boku" to refer to himself all the time) dress up as a girl
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>>104591834
Alright, thanks.
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>>104591830
The plothole here isn't that Ragyou's powers are never explained, the plot hole is that Ragyo is part life-fiber, but still has to research how to do it again for her daughters.
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>Mfw Aikurou was the only main character to not get completely nude throughout the whole show
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>>104591658
It's disappointing because they made it irrelevant and her being dead then would've made the flow a bit better in the end with more focus on ragyo.

22 was good, especially for being in the lackluster second half, but not quite what I was hoping for. 24 wasn't even that bad, just rushed and should've been two episodes
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>>104591921
Ragyo had all the focus in the finale and 23. it was Ryuko vs Ragyo all the time.
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>>104591906
That's not a plot-hole. Please learn what a plot-hole is before complaining about plot-holes.
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>>104590199
Yeah. I was just wondering. I mean some minor things can go wrong but this was a pretty major plot point. They started showing those S?ichir? -Satsuki scenes since episode 3 and the last one of them was shown in episode 18. And just one episode later they show a whole scenes that contradicts the whole flashback stuff that was shown until then.

It seems like they aren't planning the plot together or like they don't proofread their stuff. I don't know how such a thing can even happen.
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>>104591921
But would you be saying 22 was disapponting if Nui had died some other way in ep 24? Say for example, she didn't kill herself in some perverted state of ecstasy, but instead was humiliated and gutted by Ryuuko or someone else? Nui had been inflicting pain and suffering on Ryuuko since before she was even introduced as an official character, it was cathartic as fuck to see her get some dished back to her with her arms getting lopped off. With antagonists like that you don't want them to die quickly, you want to see them suffer for all the suffering they themselves had caused.
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>>104591972
>A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot, sometimes even contradicting itself. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or, statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.
So tell me, how is it not a plot-hole?
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it was a much simpler time back in the single digit episodes of Kill la Kill.
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>Nui is a "tragic villain"
>Literally no one fucking thought this before they revealed this in an interview
>After the fact some people actually pieced together some reasons why she's tragic but it doesn't come across well in the show at all.

Holy shit, this is terrible writing. You can obviously see why Ryuko is a tragic character, when they start turning Satsuki good you can see how she suffered as well. Trigger obviously wanted to make all 3 of Ragyou's daughters tragic characters but it doesn't come across that way in the show at all. There's no indication she secretly hates being allowed to do whatever she wants or that she's really jealous of Satsuki.
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>>104592137
Because revealing how Ragyou was hybridized doesn't change the actual plot of the story and it introduces nothing new to the central conflict or plot of the story overall except maybe some background fluff. Revealing how it happened might, at most, give her character a bit more depth. That's it. Her being a hybrid doesn't contradict he trying to find out how to make hybrids, considering the obvious fact that she doesn't know how it happened to her in the first place.
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so whatever happened to Nui anyways? did Ryuuko absorb her or some shit?
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>>104592395
Basically, yes.
Nui got absorbed into OLF/barrier thing. OLF/barrier thing merged with SK and turned into a rocket. Senketsu absorbed everyone's goku uniforms and then absorbed SK/OLF/barrier thing. Then Senketsu burned up during re-entry ;_; so they're all dead.
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>>104592335
>that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot
Because how can she be fused with Life Fibers when she was conducting researches on how to ignore the natural rejection of Life Fibers?
>or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot
This one is even more obvious. I mean, there could be an explanation that makes sense, but we don't have it.

>Because revealing how Ragyou was hybridized doesn't change the actual plot of the story
Holy shit, I sure hope so, or that would mean that the writing is even shittier than it already is.
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Anyone care to explain what Trigger was trying to show here? Was it really as simple as Ryuuko being part life-fiber and Senketsu taking a "banshi" thread from her?
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>>104592211
Which interview was this?
>she secretly hates being allowed to do whatever she wants or that she's really jealous of Satsuki.
What?
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>>104592520
>Because how can she be fused with Life Fibers when she was conducting researches on how to ignore the natural rejection of Life Fibers?
See: >>104592335
>she doesn't know how it happened to her in the first place.

>>or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot
It's not relevant information regarding the plot though.
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>>104592046
I'm rewatching those parts again and I don't see the issue. Could just be I'm using HS

18: Satsuki says she was five when daddy told her
19: Ragyo says he entrusted his revenge to Satsuki then fled with Ryuuko. The little Ryuuko has hair that is not present in her newborn appearance in episode 18 when she is dumped.

It's not clear, you're right, but it's hardly what I would call ruined.
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>>104592211
Here you have a slightly extreme interpretations of her actions with and without the word of god:

Without Nakashima's infodrop:
ep20 - Nui gives Ryuko a COME TO THE DARK SIDE speech, confusing her and making Junketsu rape possible
ep21 - Nui wants to join in on the funsies
ep22 - self explanatory, she fucking hates everyone and is mad that her plan failed and that she got disarmed
ep23 - Nui still mad, got augs, is Ragyo's lackey
ep24 - Nui goes all out mook mode and then Hoomarus herself into Shinra Koketsu, happy that she could become clothes.

With Nakashima's infodrop:
ep20 - Nui tries to "befriend" her soul sister in a completely wrong, sad and twisted way
ep21 - Nui doesn't want to lose her soul sister
ep22 - Nui gets mad that her soul sister brutally rejected her, quite probably wants to just stay there and die
ep23 - Nui melts away because of Ragyo's kindness, is still angry and bitter about Ryuko
ep24 - Nui fights for her mommy and makes her proud, finally feeling loved at the end of her life.

True, extreme. Those ideas were tossed around by Nuifags back when episodes 20-22 were airing, and only the Nakashima statemed pushed the dial from the first one being more likely to the second option being truth.
They did fucking awful job with her in the end.
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>>104592565
>Was it really as simple as Ryuuko being part life-fiber
That wasn't even introduced as a thing at this point in the series. It was just to show that Senketsu has multiple banshi and that Nui wouldn't be able to destroy Senketsu as easily as she did Sanageyama's 3star.
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>>104586724
Turns out that people and clothing actually were enemies. Thanks for nothing, Kinue.
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>>104592130
But I mean 22 still could've done both.

Ryuuko could've just started cutting off limb by limb, mocking Nui as she did and causing Nui to turn into a much angrier Black Knight as she hopped about until there was nothing left, then have Hououmaru come with the suits but it's too late to save Nui so she flees and then nudisto beach and devas use the suction guns to save the club members.
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>>104592823
Senketsu wasn't an enemy of people.
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>>104587582
Well in fairness Iori didn't even have a background
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>>104592954
Where do you think he learned how to sew?
No wonder he doesn't want to talk about it.
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>>104592570
Right after Ryuko and Satsuki made up in episode 22 Nakashima did an interview with Newtype where he revealed some shit, he said things like "Ryuko and Satsuki wanted to connect to each other before the sister reveal" but also something about Nui being a tragic villain who's jealous of the love Satsuki and Ryuko get from their mother.

Satsuki was Ragyou's heir, she got her mothers last name, Nui got a different name, her name essentially means "sewing machine" so that's all she is to Ragyou. She wanted to do something and be important to her mother, she couldn't wear Junketsu so she was upset about that. That's why she sacrificed herself so gleefully in the last episode, she was finally incredibly useful to her mother, she saved her life and kept the plan going. She was taught by Ragyou to think herself as better than humans so she probably felt alienated. When she said to Ryuko that she was the only one who could understand her, apparently she wasn't trying to make Ryuko upset by comparing herself to her, she was serious and wanted to connect with Ryuko because they were both the same thing. Hell she probably also hated the fact that Satsuki started gushing over Ryuko as soon as she was revealed to be her sister yet never treated her as anything other than shit even though they're the exact same thing.

Then again this all fanfiction and guesses, really. We don't know what Satsuki's relationship with Nui was prior to this, so you can't exactly fault her for anything and you don't even know if Nui is upset about that shit.
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>>104592668
>>she doesn't know how it happened to her in the first place.
So it just happenned? Fuck the human rejection of Life Fibers? Wow, great writing.
But that's just your headcanon. There is nothing to indicate that she doesn't know it.
>It's not relevant information regarding the plot though.
>Why did the main villain got her powers and came to want Life Fibers to eat humanity isn't relevant to the plot
Yeah, okay.
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So here we go, Nudisto Shafted Character wall of fame:

First place: Nui for clusterfuck arrested development and straight out needing to know what the author had in mind to understand her character.

First place ex-aequo: Junketsu for not even being a character after all.

Second place: Rei. She (maybe) died as she lived, completely irrelevant.

Third place: Tsumugu, for anti-life fiber blunder of the century, pointless infodrop, unknown debt and endless jobbing.

Fourth place: Satsuki for proving her mother right in the finale.

Fifth place: Aikuro for who the fuck are you anyway and DTR extravaganza.

Sixth place: non-Gama devas, for being completely fucking useless since episode 18 and devolving into resolve robots for reasons unknown. Honorable mention to Uzu for jobbing to a fucking condom.

Seventh place: Ragyo, for never explaining how the fuck she became the god empress of clothing.

Audience Award goes to Takarada for literally getting shafted with a 10 foot long stick.

Honourable Mentions: Life Fiber Bullet, Kinue, Life Fibers in General, All of Nudist Beach, Maiko, Characters not name Ryuko or Mako.
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>>104593003
Satsuki's relationship with Nui prior to KlK was Kinue'd.
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>>104593088
>unknown debt
Oh fuck, I forgot about that.
GODAMMIT TRIGGER.
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>>104592743
This is fucked up and bothers me a lot.

Why couldn't they just take a moment to come right out and say this stuff, instead of making us piece it together like a detective, having to even resort to material outside the show itself.

I think some people might not have sperged out so bad over Nui had they known this information.
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>>104592717
I don't know, the only explanation would be that Ryuuko was already 4 (and therefore, Satsuki 5) in the scenes of episode 19, since Soichirou hadn't changed his body yet when Satsuki was 5. But this can't be due to Ryuuko's look (she is 1-2 years old at best), the fact that she didn't remember how her father suddently changed and became a 70 year old guy and the fact that he never told Satsuki anything about her sister being alive, even though he was already raising her for 4 years during that scene.
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>>104593220
And it was all completely unnecessary in the end. They could have kept her as Ragyo lite cartoon psycho instead of adding this little amount of depth to her, especially since the show wasn't able to carry it in any way.
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>>104593108
It really was something we should have seen. Ragyou and Nui should have probably been introduced earlier so we could get a proper backstory on them, you start turning Satsuki in to a good guy earlier so you can fill in these relationships they had with Satsuki a little better, or in Nui's case, fill it out at a fucking all.

If you have to reveal that a character is "tragic" in an interview and then have people go back and try find cryptic reasons as to why that is that's terrible writing.
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>>104593001

>Pins up the anus
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>>104593003
There were some hints of Nui's jealousy towards Satsuki, and Ryuuko to an extent. Nui did also state how she wanted to connect with Ryuuko in ep20 or 21 (don't remember which specifically). Nui was never sympathetic though, so maybe that could be considered a failing. Personally I don't really consider it much of a failing other than maybe giving Nui some more depth. They made her into an effective villain that you love to hate.
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Where is Ragyo talking about her family(s traditions in ep 18? I can't find it.
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>>104593270
I think Ryuuko says she never saw her father until she was a little older, or that she rarely saw him because he was busy and I think the sister thing is touched on a bit in 19 when Ragyo mocks Satsuki saying how she was used to do his dirty work without even knowing the wole story.
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>>104593038
>There is nothing to indicate that she doesn't know it.
That's why she's conducting research on how to recreate it right? And why her experiments even failed with Satsuki? Because she already knows how to do it?

Are you actually retarded?
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>>104593108
Kinue wasn't even a dropped plot point or anything like that. She and Tsumugu basically existed as red herrings and that's it.
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>>104593001
>day 25: today she once again snuck into my bed. i wish she didn't hog the blanket.
>day 27: she found my newest dress design "cute" and ordered me to go make it.
>day 29: i finished my work. now i have to wear it. to emphasize that, she took away my clothes.
>day 35: she finally returned my clothes and gave me few muffins as a "reward". they were really good.
>day 37: i can't remember what i did the past two days, but she's giggles whenever she sees me. guess it's a lesson for the future.
>day 38: she decided that my lab coat interferes with my sewing, so i was given a replacement attire. it was a sock.
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Has the reaction guys thing been updated yet?
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>>104592141
I am a sucker for stories with plot twists and shit but I clearly prefer something simple for anime like KlK. I could have lived with more episodes like 5 or 6 and more character scenes and location changes instead.
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>>104593270
How did Ragyou even fucking know he did that in the first place?

I remember when people thought she was bullshitting to Satsuki precisely because of that reason. She knows EXACTLY what he did even though she didn't realize that was her husband until like 6 months ago?
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>>104593491
I meant, there's nothing to indicate that it happened in a way she doesn't know. She NEVER talked about it. So it just doesn't add up.
Sorry if it wasn't clear.
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>>104593499
>She and Tsumugu basically existed as red herrings and that's it.
>red herring
No. Kinue existed pretty much for the sole reason of illuminating Tsumugu's motivations. That's pretty much it.
Also, please learn what a red herring is.
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>>104593544
no because the last 2 episodes didn't live up to expectations
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>>104593566
ragyo pieces together a lot of shit, but it's just to make sure the viewer understands the bad writing. Like how she knew EXACTLY what Ryuuko did in episode 23 to avoid getting cut in half completely
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>>104593610
They were intended to look like people who were related to Ryuko so no one saw the twist in episode 18 coming.
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>>104593427
But most people hated her for shallow reasons, like her appearance and personality. Not her actions. That's not an "effective" villain.
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>>104593427
Problem is, unless you went eight miles deep those hints were lost in her prior characterization as Harime Nui, Grand Couturier who loves "fun" and everything cute.
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>>104593594
>there's nothing to indicate that it happened in a way she doesn't know.
But there is; the very fact that she's conducting the research in the first place. She never talked about it because it wasn't important to the story. What is important to the story is that Ryuuko was hybridized by Ragyou's experiments and she was kept secret by her father.
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>>104593685
That part was a homage to JoJo.
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>>104593195
Damn, me too. I like this series but it's interesting how much shit you are able to find if you dicsuss the plot from the to time. I think I'll rewatch it the next week or something. Just out of curiosity.
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>>104593686
>intended to look like people who were related to Ryuko
No. Just because he has red and black hair doesn't mean shit, and we have seen pretty much nothing of what Kinue's face actually looks like.
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>>104587582

Exactly what I thought, Inu was such a pointless character that never did fucking anything (other than exposition dump), just have one "smart" guy doing all the stuff they both do
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>>104593427
>Nui did also state how she wanted to connect with Ryuuko in ep20 or 21

Nui's prior characterization was that she liked to fuck with people, remember when she gleefully told Ryuko "TEEHEE, I KILLED YOUR DAD RYUKO-CHAN". You could easily take that "I'm the only one who can understand you, you're just like me!" as a way to make Ryuko angry because Nui would obviously know that Ryuko fucking hates her and would not want to be compared to her at all. Ryuko thinks she's a monster at that time, she would NOT want to be compared to Nui.
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>>104593722
>most people hated her for shallow reasons, like her appearance and personality.
>Not her actions.
What?
People would still hate her if she looked completely different. The hatred towards her appearance and personality stem from that original hatred of the characters actions in a sort of post hoc manner. You look for other secondary reasons to hate a character even more after it's been established how fucked up they are through their actions.
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It was a legendary show in the making until the clumsy Mako episode and tournament. The first and second episodes were by far the best ones, in my opinion.
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>>104593760
So it's not important to know how Ragyo became part Life Fiber while it wasn't possible because the natural rejection of Life Fibers and thus got her philosophy and the power to become the main villain of the show? Even if she doesn't know how it happened, it deserves a mention. It's way too important to forget because of what I mentioned earlier in this post.
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>>104587939

That's what I felt too, the show felt completely different and messy in the Natural Election arc, and never went back to normal after that.
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>>104593925
If she looked like this and acted in a cartoonish over the top way she wouldn't be so despised, I'm sure of it.
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>>104593738
I can agree to an extent that those hints of jealousy weren't incredibly overt or apparent. Nui is a rather distracting character to begin with anyways and her absurdly bubbly personality lends itself to a lot of masking of any sort of deeper emotion.
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>>104593974
If you feel it would add more depth to her character then I would probably agree. Do I think it's necessary? No. Would I have liked to see something revealed in that regard? I don't really care either way honestly.

That still doesn't mean that it's a plot-hole though.
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>>104593950
>>104593950
Not even, Mako episode was on the streak of good episodes that lasted 5-7 but ended at 8 and the naturals election.
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>>104594022
They could've made her eyesmile thing be a mood indicator instead.
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>>104593950
But the Mako episode is top 5 easily
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I would not be surprised to find out that the people who hate Nui probably have Ryuko as their favorite character in this show, Nui caused their character to suffer more than she already was before, Nui killed her dad like 5 minutes before Ryuko might have had a possible reconciliation with him. If you wonder why Ryuko became so attached to Satsuki in a matter of like 2 days that's why, she finally found family and isn't letting her go. other than the father killing she really fucked with Ryuko in other ways as well, even IF Nui supposedly was not trying to do those things out of direct malice and simply just did not know how to properly handle the situation.
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>The parts where Ryuko is brainwashed
>Nui's extremely botched "tragicness"

What the fuck, Trigger. You dropped the fucking ball with this shit.
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>>104593491
Not him and maybe she really doesn't know but this is still stupid. If even Satsuki couldn't fuse with the LF because she was one year old (even Ryuuko was a failed experiment at first) then how is it possible that it happened to Ragyou? I think explaining how the evil mastermind managed to become who he is is a pretty important plot point. This show is full of scenes nobody needs that felt like open subplots but then they don't explain something as important as this.
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>>104594128
>Do I think it's necessary? No.
So you think it's not necessary for the plot to make sense? Because right now, it doesn't. How could Ragyo become part Life Fibers? It seems impossible, considering the informations we have. Right now, it's a plothole.
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>>104591781
>Iori decides to use THAT, transforming Honnouji into a giant uniform to fight off Nui
>Using the Naked Sun as a sword
i wish this happened to be honest
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Does anyone have the image of MEN-DOU-KOTE with all the guys doing the chants for Electric Shamisen?

Have Electric Shamisen Intensifying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_xuVaPR_d0
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We should make a list of dropped plotpoints and send it to Trigger, so they don't make the same mistake again
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>>104593917
>Nui's prior characterization was that she liked to fuck with people
Right. I'm not denying that. She did state it however, but given the fact that the way Nui's character was handled she was never a character that demanded sympathy in the first place. I'm basically saying that Nui threw that information out there, not that her revealing those emotions would actually make any of us (the audience) nor any of the main characters actually give a shit about her own tragedy.

I can see how Nui could be considered a tragic villain in the loosest sense of the word, but like I said, her actions and personality don't really lend themselves to sympathy.
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>>104586631
Kill la Kill had much more wasted potential that Gurren Lagann though.

Gurren Lagann beat in and built up the whole drill metaphor for the entire show, whereas KLK had something about clothes which wasn't really developed.

Gurren Lagann built up the final villain, and gave us a satisfying final battle, and left half of the final episode for wrapping things up. KLK kept trying to surprise us with "THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM", and had 30 seconds to wrap things up at the end. Hell, the epilogue was in the credits.
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>>104594213
Nui's tragicness as a general idea was not that horrible, but it got assfucked by the way Nui was introduced and her subsequent appearances, and by the way that in the end it was not shaped properly.
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>>104594213
I liked the brainwashing since it led way into this, but then I was let down by the fight and wish it never happened
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>>104593993
Would she have the same voice?
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>>104594421
Yukarin would find a way.
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>>104594361
>I can see how Nui could be considered a tragic villain in the loosest sense of the word, but like I said, her actions and personality don't really lend themselves to sympathy.

and that's exactly why Trigger dropped the ball with her and she's poorly written, because she was supposed to. You were likely intended to sympathize with Nui when she sacrificed herself for Ragyou, she used a deeply affectionate word for mother when she did it, too. Trigger likely intended you to think "oh my god that's sad" instead people thought "oh, she's speaking french again".
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>>104594387
KLK had a good premise for the most part, the "don't lose your way!" thing. Don't let fashion and other's views rule you, be your own person and find your own way. It wasn't THAT awful, even if corny.
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>>104594399
>>104594419
poster of >>104594213 again

I dislike them because of how they could have been so good, how it could have added so much more to what they were trying to do, but they executed it incredibly poorly.
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>>104594276
>So you think it's not necessary for the plot to make sense?
For fucks sake and for the thousandth time, revealing how it happened to Ragyou wouldn't fill in any plot-holes nor would it make the plot make any more sense because the plot doesn't demand that we know in the first place. Us not knowing how it happened to Ragyou doesn't change anything regarding to the plot, it would only introduce some background information and give her character a bit more depth. You can keep crying that this is a "plot-hole" till you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the simple fact that it's simply not a plot-hole.
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>>104594213
The brainwashing was great. What's wrong with you?
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>>104590972
And Gamgoori turning into Viral's Gunman.
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>>104594541
>Because right now, it doesn't. How could Ragyo become part Life Fibers? It seems impossible, considering the informations we have. Right now, it's a plothole.
Try actually using your brain when reading, this time.
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>>104588012
TTGL itself was fairly coherent. It's the movies that really went full "TTGL treatment", with complete emphasis on flash over substance

>>104594528
I don't think it's awful, it just wasn't well executed. Compare this to TTGL the plot is written around the symbolism, KLK seems to be written around cool scenes. (For example, what does the final battle even have to do with individualism?)
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>>104594200
The Mako episode was really well produced and cool. It had good gags too. I would place it in my top 5 too. However, I meant that it was clumsy in how it handled her family's betrayal. That's what I think, at least.

You are right that the shift of tone came at 8 and forward and it's like they pissed away a bunch of time until the New Year with Nui crashing the tournament.

People are right about Nudist Beach too. They served little purpose in the end. And Nui was just some psychopath there to provoke the heroines and act frustrated when stuff happened. And Ragyo started rambling about the demise of the universe at the finale when she should have done so 10 episodes earlier.

KLK had lots of fun moments and the highest potential I've ever seen. KLK episode 1 & 2 are probably some of the best episodes I've seen in any show, hands down. It's frustrating.
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>>104594525
_IF_ you knew what she was after and went deeper and deeper, it was a very sad scene overall.
However, almost nobody gave enough fucks to piece the hints together.
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>>104594335
Well, they got rid of a few bad things from TTGL like the throw-away characters so maybe they'll improve the writing as well the next time.
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>>104591781
well, everyone was waiting for giant gakuen kamui/mecha and final cross-cut, so trigger just won't even thinking about it, cause why use obvious ways
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>>104594630
I did read it. You keep crying about how it's a plot-hole when it's not. I think maybe you should follow your own advice.
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>>104594651
I meant, for the most part. They dropped it somewhere around 23 with the whole NONSENSE shit took hold. It was a great phrase and worked very well in 22, but in 23 and finale it was incredibly wank.
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>>104594714
I gave you the definition of plothole. It's relevant information regarding the plot that was blantantly omitted. This is a plothole.
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>>104594687
>However, almost nobody gave enough fucks to piece the hints together.
But you can't blame them, and it's not even that, it's just poor writing overall because the ONLY reason people really tried to piece this hints together was because Trigger came out and told us what their intention for Nui.

It's very unlikely that the people who watch this show after the fact and not while it was airing originally will read that interview and thus what Trigger tried to get across with Nui won't come across at all.
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>>104594800
> It's relevant information regarding the plot that was blantantly omitted.
Except for the part where it's clearly not.
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>>104590453
Yes it does, Till I Die also plays when Ryuko and Senketsu are eating away from the crowd in episode 22.
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>>104594809
Nah, that was tossed around as "what if she was sincere?" by Nuifags as early as episode 20 or so.
However, by that time it was just speculation.
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>>104594677
I'll give you one, but two? It felt more like a repeat of one, which I guess yeah still makes it good but takes a the charm out. I still like it though, but I wouldn't say best.
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>>104589318

It's ridiculous how little dialogue they even have. Almost all of it is meaningless plot or fight exposition, nothing about their characters, and maybe one or two lines of banter if we're lucky. They barely feel like people, especially in the second half.

Uzu's shit that was thrown away immediately after the natural elections, and then he became just a generic goon to fight things, really.
Inu who is incredibly fucking boring and never does anything at all. The most important thing he ever did was sit in with NB's for the exposition dumps.
Nonon who repeats that Monkey shit a dozen times because they can't think up any other banter. We know barely anything about her, other than that childhood friends thing which could've been used in a major way for actual development, but it was just thrown away in one or two lines (inb4 that screencap)
Aikurou is pretty much NOTHING but exposition dump after exposition dump in the second half. They distract the audience with shining nipples, but he does literally nothing else. They tried that DTR joke like twice but good god, do something fucking more, Trigger.
And then there's Tsomugu, who never does or says anything at all, even after his huge fucking buildup. They don't even give him any jokes, they could've at least had him say that "2 important things" or whatever the shit in the last episodes.

I would've loved to see an episode of the Devas just going about their daily business with their clubs and training and actually talking to each other, instead most first half scenes were just just sitting silently in that room matsurbating to their resolve for Satsuki, and second half scenes were just fights.
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Final edit when?
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>>104594847
Then I guess Ryuuko's backstory about how she got part Life Fiber also isn't revelant, right?
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>>104594399
>>104594213
They were trying to make Nui tragic? I never noticed. She was always an unapologetic psycho bitch who loved to toy with people's emotions before brutally murdering them. She got even worse near the end, when she completely snapped and just started swinging her new sword arms at whoever was in reach, before chopping her own head off and becoming a giant creepy Life Fiber head that fused with her "maman" in the creepiest way possible.
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>>104595092
It is actually, considering it's required information in order to explain how the conflict is resolved.
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>>104594898
But that's the thing, that's just speculation by the people who were infatuated with the character anyways, if she's supposed to be tragic that should come across to ALL the viewers, it shouldn't just be spit balling by people who are solely big fans of the character.
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>>104591304

This is what I actually thought. That his sister or wife or mother got turned into a kamui/went berserk during an experiment because she got too attached or something.
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>>104595080
Since episode 23 took up two vertical slots, I propose that episode 24 take up three horizontal slots, and just be the four guys added to the conga line of naked people catching Ryuko.
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>>104594942
Aikuro was busy boning Nonon and Sukuyo after the time skip.
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>>104594942
I agree. I fucking loved the Deva novel but I wish they would have included this shit into the actual anime. It's similar with Nui. Someone who watches KlK later won't ever read or find this specific old Newtype issue that contained their whole backstories. I don't say they had to show everything, but we had so many repetitive scenes in this series - why couldn't they just hint some of these things?
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>>104595103
That's because they absolutely fucked it up.
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I wanted to see one of those nameless 1 stars be a proper character.
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this was my one problem with the series

It looks like they just wrote it as they went along. Not enoughplanning
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>>104595533
First cour looks pretty well thought of, actually.
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So uh..why did Ragyou live through Ryuko and Satsuki's combo attack exactly?
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>>104592743

Jesus, that was really badly expressed in the show. I don't want to feel like an idiot by missing subtext, but did anyone else get that? She did say she felt jealous in 22 I think, but they didn't do anything else with that in the next two or I guess they tried.
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>>104595571
Not the same anon but I feel the opposite actually. First cour took up a bit too much time without much in terms of plot advancement. As a result second cour didn't feel like it had enough time to unfold.
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>>104595585
Because the finale was going to be in space anyway and that scene felt nice.
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>>104593088

You say everything I wanted to say
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>>104588182
>Tsumugu died on the way back to his home planet
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>>104595675
I meant when it comes down to characterization and worldbuilding. They could compress it more, they could remove filler episodes and maybe even trash the school trip to make room for 2nd cour to make sense.
But they didn't.
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>>104595162
Not him but if it's important to explain why something is resolved it's also important to explain how the problem even started in the first place.
Not only that, we learn that humans can't mix with LF unless they are using newborn babies as guinea pigs and still Ragyou was a LF human. Of course they should explain this.
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>>104595604
No, it's perfectly understandable why you wouldn't think any of the second meanings he posted considering that most of them basically contradicted her prior characterization.
It makes more sense to take her lines in 20 as ways to make Ryuko more upset instead of an absolutely sincere way of her trying to connect with Ryuko.
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If Ryuuko rose to prominence because she deserved it, it would be a much better show. There are too few shows that reward characters for being competent because of hard work and perseverance. Is this all symbolism against Asia's idea of "work hard and you'll be rewarded"?
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>>104595757
I definitely agree that first cour was great for character introductions, building on characterizations and worldbuilding. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike first cour at all, but they certainly could have compressed it more to make more room for the 2nd cour.
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>>104595162
Then it's not important to get required information explaining how the conflict began?
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>>104588741
No characters in TTGL are wasted, everything was clearly planned out from the beginning.
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>>104595604
No. I think it only ever happened with people who really were into Nui and started to create head canons and shit. Nobody else ever saw anything else in Nui than the crazy psycho moeblob.
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Man, the first part had so much potential and they completely squandered it
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>>104595801
>it's also important to explain how the problem even started in the first place.
Then look no further than OLF crash landing on Earth and using humans as food. As far as Ragyou goes her backstory isn't as important since she's basically a vehicle or conduit for the OLF's actions.
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>>104595604
Don't worry, it was nigh impossible to spot if you didn't care about the character too much.
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>>104589033
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>>104595900
I have to disagree. The very first scene in the first episode proves they didn't plan things out since the very beginning. Show is great regardless.
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>>104595900
>No characters in TTGL are wasted
What? Yes they were. Practically every other member of team Gurren was just in the background and did nothing of relevance or importance aside from dying in the end.
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>>104595962
She's not a brainless puppet. She has motives, desires. They need to explain why, how she became the OLD's vessel. That's truly how the conflict between Ragyo and Ryuuko began.
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>>104596047
>The very first scene in the first episode proves they didn't plan things out since the very beginning.
Explain.
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>>104595378

It just frustrates me so much to see such well-designed characters used so HORRIBLY. It's that terrible loss of potential, especially from all those written backstories. They didn't even fucking bother characterizing them properly in the show beyond their basic design.

And I have to say it again, it's really surprising just how little dialogue there is that isn't either plot exposition or generic fight commentary.
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>>104596125
Do I have to? It's pretty clear.
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Senketsu's death scene could have been a lot better if it wasn't blatantly fucking obvious he was going to die at the end. As soon as Satsuki go through episode 23 just fine that confirmed any suspicions I had of him surviving, I knew they were going to have Senketsu die in the finale so Ryuko would fully accept Satsuki as her sister, and what do you know, Senketsu dies, Ryuko literally falls right in to Satsuki's arms and says "I'm home, nee-san". So obvious, this is how Ryuko's character works, she had to almost kill Senketsu and Mako to realize how important they were to her, so Satsuki was either going to have to get hurt or Senketsu would have to die for her to want to fill the hole he left with Satsuki.
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there was a pretty ridiculous amount of power creep
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>>104595897
We were given that information. The conflict begins with life fibers on Earth.

>>104596117
>She's not a brainless puppet.
Debatable.
>She has motives, desires.
Aside from seeking out the ecstasy of wearing life fibers, her motives and desires align completely with those of the OLF.
>They need to explain why, how she became the OLD's vessel.
No. No they don't. I wouldn't mind if they did, but it's not necessary to the plot.
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>>104595850
This. Same here. That's one of the reasons why I loved Gama so much and maybe Satsuki as well, even though she was gifted. But they worked for the things they achieved and kept on fighting after they lost. I like Ryuuko, but she only became the hero because of the classical power-ups that just happen whenever she needs it like during the Natural Selection. People always bitch about all the jobbers, but it wasn't their fault. Monkey and Tsumugu were fucking awesome in episode 5 and 6. It's just that the typical plot twist happened when they reveal that the MC is some artificial created super human being.
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>>104596190
I had the feeling they were going for a second season halfway through the show.
It feels so barebones, so rushed.
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>>104596266
Which in the end amounted to absolutely nothing.
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>>104596196
It's not clear at all. It seems more likely that you're talking out of your asshole.
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>>104595807

I consider myself pretty smart. I even understood the subtext of End of Evangelion on the first watch!

But I didn't get Nui's character beyond unlikable looney tunes psychopath.
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You're not the only one who thinks this way, OP.

http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s513/JReitan/klk-analysis_zps9b9a8ef7.png
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>>104596308
Monkey sewing his eyes shut not to rely on his natural talents was an incredible move and made me hope this show won't go the cliche BOOSTO way.
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Episode 3 was the best, followed by 1-6 and 21-22.
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>>104596268
>That's truly how the conflict between Ragyo and Ryuuko began.
It began with this. The conflict between humanity and Life Fibers is what began with the OLD crashing on earth.
Anyway, you're really annoying and avoiding any point I make by spouting the same shit again and again, you're worse than a fucking wall. I'm done with this shitty conversation.
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>>104585974
That scene was great. The only way it could've been better was if Takarada was also there in a rebuilt Crab DTR and they made a Super Ultimate Triple Naked DTR.
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>>104595378

The thing that annoys me is how quickly they went from seemingly rivals to best bros. Lots of people were predicting a split among the Devas exactly because they felt like potential rivals with each other. I mean Gama literally whipped Monkey in one episode.

It doesn't really matter now though, I hope they just do some fun friend things in the OVA together.
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>>104596340
Watch the first scene with Simon in space. Nothing like that ever happens at the end, Gainax wanted it to end like that but eventually they went in another direction.
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>>104595962
Still, the anime heavily hinted that the fusing with life fibers wasn't possible, usually. So it is important unless they want it to look unfinished or like some open plot hole.

If the anime says "x isn't possible" and yet "x happened once" then they have to explain why and how it happened.
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>>104595172
I fucking hate Nui, I laughed my goddamn ass off whenever she suffered and sincerely hoped she would die with every episode that reminded me she existed. It was still easy to pick out where they were going with her, that she was sincere about wanting to be with Ryuko and devastated when it didn't happen.

There's a shitton wrong with the show, but I think the thing with Nui is just viewers not paying attention.
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>>104596231
Ryuko is supposed to have regenerative powers, right?

Then why did Senketsu felt the need to protect her from re-entry? I mean, she would've survived that without having Senketsu burn up. She went throught worst.
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>>104596461
Simon in space and evolved Boota happened, though. That proves they totally planned the ending from the first episode.
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>>104596445
That's nice. You're still an idiot who doesn't know what a plot-hole is. Maybe one day you'll actually learn how to analyze what the fuck you're even watching in order to have an intelligent conversation.
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>An entire episode to himself based solely on his personal character and power development
>Only Deva to have defeated Ryuuko
>Never gets a rematch and claims he still wants one
>The only Deva to outperform his uniform
>The only Deva to have a power outside of his uniform that evolves (Tengantsu, Shigantsu, Enlightenment)
>Was the only Deva to get a faded screenshot with Satsuki
>Was the only Deva to get a faded screenshot with Nui in the Ragyo stadium
>Was the only Deva still fighting after an entire month after the stadium explodes
>Was the only Deva who got a uniform montage in Ep. 23

Trigger hyped the fuck out of Uzu, only to give fucking Gamagoori the spotlight.

They essentially wasted so much time with Uzu, who did fuck all in the final episode.
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>>104596574
Nope. The thing with Nui is awful writing and botched characterization.
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I feel like this show won't be very good on multiple viewings like Gurren Lagann is
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>>104596461
>Nothing like that ever happens at the end
Are you joking? Yes it does. Try watching the show again. When they get the arc gurren and they leave to go rescue Nia.
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>>104596599
Other than those two nothing else is alike. Your show isn't perfect, admit it.
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>>104596604
Says the guy who avoid any point by repeating "it's not relevant!!!" while I back up my claims with the definition of plothole. Stay mad, nigger.
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>>104596610
well, at least he's safe since he can't pierce the condom.
gama however will be in for a lot of babies with mako.
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>>104585974
Nudist Beach was always shit
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>>104596595
He was being torn apart by the immense power of Shinra-Kouketsu anyway, it was just more dramatic.
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>>104596622
That makes total sense and you've swung me around completely.
Good job.
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>>104585974
But they got found out and they lost the "undercover" aspect, and it was always pretty obvious they couldn't step to life fibers in terms of power.
Hence, Ryuko and Satsuki.
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>>104596595
It might've been more than what she could regenerate from.
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>>104596718
You were always shit.
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>>104596595
I think Senketsu might have been destroyed anyways, it was just more dramatic for him to protect her. Or maybe she could have actually died if she went down like that, she would have burned up and eroded and wouldn't be able to regenerate.

Satsuki also desperately ran up to her and leaped up to catch her sister, but then again I guess you could explain that away as her being caught up in the moment, Ryuko might have been fine had she just hit the dirt anyways but Satsuki doesn't know that for sure and is not going to risk losing her sister on a hunch.
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>>104596793
Then what was the point of mentioning Tsumugu's training to match the three crazy strong women in episode 12?
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>>104596665
>Other than those two nothing else is alike
You mean the actual scene isn't happening? Well, that's right, but that doesn't mean the story actually changed.
Maybe they just didn't have the time for this scene after that, or they changed the scene to make something more entertaining. This kind of things always happens in anime production. Doesn't mean the script actually changed.
>Your show isn't perfect, admit it.
Can something really be perfect?
Of course not.
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>>104596822

>scruffy Sensei will never return
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>>104596685
>while I back up my claims with the definition of plothole
You can keep claiming it's a plot-hole, but it doesn't change the fact that it's simply not. Furthermore, citing the definition of plot-hole did nothing for your argument since you still manage to misunderstand what a plot-hole is despite the fact.

It's like saying if, in Star Wars, they never revealed that Darth Vader was actually Luke's father. Would it be a plot hole if we didn't know that? No. Would the overall story be weaker if they never revealed that? Yes.
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>>104596662
Yeah? Does simon and boota go around in a space boat? Are simon's clothes even remotely similar to the ones in the final episodes?
We've been discussing this since 2007. They didn't plan it out since the beginning, they only knew they'd go to space eventually. Just because they didn't plan it out doesn't mean the show is bad, for fuck's sake.
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>>104596048
but having them all die was important, because Simon's final speech is about the double helix, lives of the fallen vs the future, yadda yadda
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>>104596942
>Would it be a plot hole if we didn't know that?
No, it's not, because if they didn't reveal that, then it simply wouldn't exist in the Star Wars universe.
They totally needed to explain how and why Vader became how he is, though.

Godammit, you baited me again.
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>>104597001
>but having them all die was important
Yeah, that was probably important, but still, what does it say for your character when the only important thing you do in order to contribute to the advancement of the plot is to die? That makes you a throwaway character. Especially when they never attempt to expand on that character.
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>>104596461
I heard somewhere that they actually forgot about it and just agreed with the fans and said "yea, sure, it's an alternate timeline" or something.
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>>104596728
>>104596882
>>104596795

I'm thinking that if Ryuko protected Senketsu instead of having him burn up, he could've survived by Ryuko cutting his eye before being completly torn apart before landing.

It leave a bitter taste in my mouth, because in the end Ryuko is the only one to have a Bittersweet end.

>Satsuki become president of REVOCS, get her sister back
>Devas are fine, Gama can propose to Mako
>Mako get Ryuko as BFF confirmed forever after and all that shit
>Nudist Beach might have jobbed hard, but they're still alive, they only lost their DTR
>Meanwhile, Ryuko lose her (literally) closest friend

I guess she can finally live a normal life, but still.
We'll never find out.
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Show went downhill once Nui showed up and all the enemies became basically invincible

I liked some characters like Satsuki a lot, but the plot went sideways after episode 12
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>>104596885
But he didn't match them
He said outright he couldn't make a move on them.
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>>104597092
>They totally needed to explain how and why Vader became how he is, though.
No, they really didn't. You still don't fucking know what a plot-hole is. This is unbelievable.
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>>104597155
Hence he decided to go train further.
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>>104597200
Nobody ever said he'd make enough progress.
That was kind of a theme of the series, that Life fibers were in a league unto their own and they had to combat fire with fire.
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>>104596190
Yeah. It certainly felt like they would do this during the first cour. Gama and especially Uzu even got their own episode (the others were arena-only things) which made it seem like they'd get more development later (including Nonon and Inu) and I guess they would have explained the things from the novel there because, unlike many other things in this show, the novel infos really fit well to what we have seen of the Devas during the first half.
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>>104597162
I never said not explaining Vader's past would be a plothole. They needed to do it because it's nearly always required if you don't want your villain to be a shitty character.
But he doesn't have a power that was explicitely stated to be impossible in the movies. Ragyo did. Not explaining how she got it is a plothole.
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>>104597260
Nobody said that. But you could expect a "powerup" for him afterwards.
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>>104594329

>>104590320
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I feel like I'm the only one that thinks Gamagoori should've stayed dead. I love the guy but seriously, why kill him and make a huge fuss about it to just "revive" him anyway?
He should've gone Kittan tier at least.
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>>104597318
>But he doesn't have a power that was explicitely stated to be impossible in the movies. Ragyo did.
She did? She was the same as Ryuuko so it's pretty clearly implied that however she got the way she was it probably happened in a similar way.
>Not explaining how she got it is a plothole.
No you idiot.
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Series went downhill once Nui beat Sanageyama in one hit, severing a crucial thread that is never brought up again.
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>>104597343
Nobody said what, that only life fibers can match life fibers?
Nobody SAID it, but it was obvious.
And if you expect Tsumugu to get a power-up to make a move on any of those three, especially since they all only continued to get more powerful themselves, he'd HAVE to don life fibers himself, and that'd go against his character.
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>>104596190
It's barely even fight commentary. It's just the shouting people do when they attack. Or Gama's short shield speeches for Satsuki or students which were rather cute somehow but still.
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>>104597455
Then why was she conducting researches on how to do it? It doesn't make sense.
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>>104596403
I was on board until he said that cutting Satsuki's hair ruined her character

seriously niggga?
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>>104597477
That he'd make enough progress. But he could have made enough progress to be mark I Deva tier, and with his fight style at least capable to stall the powerhouses.
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>>104597580
>Then why was she conducting researches on how to do it?
Because she obviously either didn't know the specifics of how it happened to her and she wanted to try and recreate it.
Fuck that was so hard. Such a glaring plot-hole.
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>>104596403
Can't see shit capt'n
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>>104591137

I guess gravity or something couldn't have them land on Earth, like, ever.

You're figuratively retarded, tit.
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>>104594933
Well, the aesthetic and atmosphere were so perfect. The episodes never get boring no matter how many times I watch them. It really felt like it was going to be the coolest show in years, with a rough girl fighting fascist club chairmen with supersuits.

They just had to add useless characters and aliens.
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>>104597709
That's your headcanon. They didn't explain it. You can't know how it happened. Right now, it doesn't make sense. It's a plothole.
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Please Trigger, just give them more than 5 minutes of screen time in the OVA. I've had enough Ryuuko and Mako to last me a lifetime.
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>>104597854
>implying you don't need more qt la qt in your life
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>>104597774
WHEN, ever? What is the probability that it will happen in Ryuko and the rest of the cast's lifetimes?
After it all ended NOBODY except for Honnouji people even knew about the coccooning.
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>>104597841
They implied it. Regardless it's not a necessary facet of the plot they need to explain in the first place since it doesn't add jack shit to the plot or how it progresses. Please learn what a plot-hole is and come back later.
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>>104597949
>They implied it.
When? Give me a screenshot, a time indication, anything.
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>>104597957
Many of these are good enough to hang on your wall. The aesthetic disappeared after the Mako episode.
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>>104596410
Not to speak about his whole development and his actions and changing of attitudes toward Satsuki. It was the first time that I got those TTGL feelings in KlK and I was curious as fuck to find out what would happen with Monkey after that even though he wasn't even my favorite Deva. Because it really seemed like he would leave Satsuki at that point because he only wanted to follow the strongest, and it seemed to him like Satsuki wasn't that much stronger anymore. She probably was, but it didn't seem like Monkey thought that way.

It actually really surprised me how he was still the Satsuki lapdog after this. This didn't make any sense to me after his almost arrogant behaviour towards Satsuki at the end of episode 6.
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>>104598016
Whenever the episode ws that she was performing the research on Satsuki and Ryuuko.
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>>104598044
I would have fucking killed for more schoolyard fights.
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>>104598080
And what did imply that? The only thing she says is "So two years is too old, we'll have to try with the one in my belly" or "Even with my genes, the natural rejection of Life Fibers is too strong?"
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>>104597685
Oh, okay, sorry I misunderstood.
Well, I guess him saying he was going to train was just to highlight his determination, as afterwards we got insight into his past and motivations.
Besides, again, can you really expect him to do anything much but be a background character in the face of the powerhouses?
Mark I Deva tier was shit compared to the end-season big guys, they'd have got mowed through.
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>>104594329
Sanegeyama's theme song is GOAT.
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>>104596610
Gama was always important. It seemed to me like they were about to show the different ways of the Devas there. That they'd show how Monkey slowly detaches himself from Satsuki and becomes some lonely rival to Ryuuko while Gama gets more scenes that show that he is a good, although perverted, guy and develope in some conflict later since he is Satsuki's most loyal guy as well.
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>>104598200
He was able to distract Nui and not get killed in episode 12. He could have done that alongside Aikuro to Rei, if only she was an actual character and not only shades and okay.