Occultism & Magick

>>19142670
You seen this?

https://archive.org/details/manlypalmerhabox07hall

>>19142698
It's in the library.

Has been for years.

>>19142707

Any good?

>>19142723
If you read French and Latin, it's stellar. I think a good chunk if it is represented in translated form by the diligent work of the anon who reformed my Alchemy folder.

>>19142728

I've been meditation and yoga forever. I need to branch out. Its like doing 5x5. I need a split ape...

>>19142738
Alchemy in terms of practice and contemplative methods may not be the best for beginners.

If you've got the access to the correct tools, go wild tho.

File: 1491895133114667493.gif (3MB, 200x199px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 200x199px

>>19142799
What?

>>19142670
>mind control
>egyptian
top tier

old intelligent ape>new banged up ape

File: 1497286601947.gif (489KB, 497x373px) Image search: [Google]

489KB, 497x373px

>>19142912
?

What kind of altered states of mind have you reached through meditation?
I ask because I was repeating "Lord, God have mercy on me, the sinner." as a mantra and my sense of self began to-quite literally, expand infinitely. I have done this before but this time it reached near-psychedelic levels, so much so that I feared for myself (ego self, not well-being self) and I had to break my concentration.

>>19142961
>dat film
>dat quote
point taken

>>19142912
retracted

>>19142728
>If you read French and Latin, it's stellar.
Well... I have the barest minimum of French and am just learning Latin... not that Anon, but this should be entertaining.

File: 1497096925239.jpg (41KB, 540x540px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 540x540px

>mfw recent skype messages from Frank Webster.

>>19143415
frank w of tcos?

>>19143475
Yuh.

Hey Ape,

I'm about to take my saivism to the next level. Here are the first few things I'm going to read, please let me know if they're in a good order, and where to go afterwards.

Kaulajnananirnaya
Kularnava
Tantrasara
Santarasa
Shiva Sutras
Paratrisikavivrana
Gitartha Samgraha

>>19143948
Stick Highest Trident of Nondualism (Paratrishika) between Tantrasara and Santarasa.

Replace Paratri in your list with Tantraloka.

>>19143957
Much appreciation. This will give me a lot to study. Are there any other tantras or related reads worth sticking in there before scaling the mountain that is Tantraloka?

File: Path of Alchemy.jpg (44KB, 333x500px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 333x500px

For the people that know their stuff, is pic related accurate at all or am I going to get myself killed trying any of the formula out of it?

>>19142670
This a Very Good song ty

>>19144444

hello there wonderful eternal being

>>19142670
Is Stephen Skinner legit?

is there a spell I can cast that will get the fucking school board to call me back about getting hired

ffs I've applied to like 9 teaching jobs and I haven't heard anything

>>19144656
Give sigil magic a shot. That's some really mundane shit, so it should work.

>>19144656
Yeah, what we really need is some dysfunctional schizoid in charge of a classroom full of minors.
My advice: a 9 millimeter Saturnine talisman embedded straight into your third eye.

>>19144686

Have you ever had the stress of being homeless without a job, sorry my language may have been informal, but I just want to be able to not be poor for awhile

>>19144686
>The anon is triggered

>>19143976
What is your goal?

>>19144656
where you fired for misconduct tho?

>>19144656
Try sigil magick. If not, try the Grimorium Verum or Ars Goetia.

Hey Ape, do you have transalted Picatrix in your library?

>>19145173
Nevermind, just found it, just two clicks

Sauce plox

>>19144656
Wow, Anon. A whole 9 jobs. Golly gee!

Am i correct in assuming that basically all the pagan/pre-abrahamic beliefs are based upon the same thing? (Qi, lifeforce, ether and so on)

It seems like a lot of them employ the same practices and theories

its ok to perform evocations (lemegeton, verum, etc) in abandoned buildings? Any experience?

File: tmp_20117-Screenshot_20170613-175613750169068.jpg (673KB, 1440x2560px) Image search: [Google]

673KB, 1440x2560px

>>19142670
>>tfw Babalon

>mfw

>>19145908
>Am i correct in assuming that basically all the pagan/pre-abrahamic beliefs are based upon the same thing? (Qi, lifeforce, ether and so on)

You are incorrect assuming series of disconnected traditions which at first sight might superficially resemble each other, have any connection whatsoever to each other.

>It seems like a lot of them employ the same practices and theories

No they don´t

>>19146204
Ok. i get that
I just felt that a lot of these beliefs talk about the same kind of energy, breathing techniques and healing techniques.
If you could in any way link me to something or just tell me why exactly they are not connected that would be great. Not saying you are wrong but i am very interested on a neutral basis

>>19145908
They are the results of different methodologies of studying the superspectrum, so you're more or less correct.

Could any of the practitioners in here give a brief overview of the methods they personally use, and find to be effective?
I'm just curious, and would like to read some 'day in the life' sort of accounts.

What is the cheapest physical copy of the Tantraloka?

>>19147423
Cheapest is probably some Sanskrit edition.

Cheapest English edition is the one I scanned and posted, it's 300 dollars. Given it's a ten volume set, that's comparatively cheap.

>>19147330
I get up.
I worship the sun and banish.
Sometimes I do yoga.
I make some coffee.
I go to work/campus.
I worship the sun.
Sometimes I do yoga.
I continue to work/go to class.
I worship the sun.
I get home and begin study.
I worship Draco.
I work any big/seasonal/special interest rites.
Sometimes I do yoga.
I banish.
I worship the sun.
I go to bed.

That's essentially my ritual schedule. It varies. The most variant portion is the "big" bit, which is like maybe Lemegeton I've been prepping for, or Enochian, or Puja, or Sabbatick Craft, or Sadhana. Just depends on what's on my schedule.

>>19147459
I might just print off your scans and spiral bind them or something. it's not going to be pretty but hey.

>>19147459
>bed 6am
>wake 3pm
>???

>>19142670

Yes, I want to be touched like this.

>>19147516
More like bed at midnight-ish, rise with the sun.

>>19147521
>bed 6am
>wake 3pm
allows you to
>worship the sun.
>then go to bed.
not noodling this proper am i?

File: kephra_by_angulique-d85hvj1.png (625KB, 576x598px) Image search: [Google]

625KB, 576x598px

>>19147536
>not noodling this proper am i?
Sun at Midnight.

>Hail unto Thee who art Keph-Ra in Thy Hiding.
>Even unto Thee who art Keph-Ra in Thy Silence.

>>19147538
no love for glorious moon?

File: P0X.jpg (38KB, 499x499px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 499x499px

>>19147330

The rough outline of my daily routine. Interspersed randomly throughout the day is free time, catnaps (as needed), study, and working on orders for clients as applicable.

4am: GIRP, GIRH, Bornless, Rose Cross, 9 rotations on beads of mantra

5:45am: 15 minutes qigong, Resh, 9 rotations on beads of mantra

11:45am: 15 minutes qigong, Resh, 9 rotations on beads of mantra

5:45pm: 15 minutes qigong, Resh, 9 rotations on beads of mantra

11:45pm: 15 minutes qigong, Resh, 9 rotations on beads of mantra, GBRP, GBRH, Bornless, Ross Cross

File: Living Truth.gif (284KB, 1280x529px) Image search: [Google]

284KB, 1280x529px

>>19147550
>no love for glorious moon?
>>19147459
>Sabbatick Craft
Is lunar in nature. The main non-seasonal rites are all on New Moons.

>>19147579
>Sabbatick Craft
that explains it

>he a gay wiccan?
naw u?

File: Chariot_shadai.gif (47KB, 571x633px) Image search: [Google]

47KB, 571x633px

Do me a favor kiddos and help to try and keep this thread alive until the dude posting pic comes back 'round.

>>19139546

>>19147609
>>19147459
Also the Draco stuff is all tied to the moon phase as is. 14 Dragon Stars from Tongue to Tail. 28 days in a lunar month. One cycle waxing, one cycle waning.

first time on /x/
what is this occultism and magick and what i can do with it?
if it is cool then i'm in, i have a lot of free time and i'm bored

>>19147660
>first time on /x/
Sounds like first time with anything to do with the paranormal whatsoever.

File: XbAgvRY[1].gif (77KB, 628x967px) Image search: [Google]

77KB, 628x967px

What other online discussion groups do you guys use to chat about the occult? I can't find any on reddit or facebook that aren't aids

File: A0P.jpg (43KB, 240x200px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 240x200px

>>19147874

They're *all* cancerous. It's always barely educated initiates, roleplayers, and constant irrelevant shitposting in literally every single one I've investigated. The few people that you *might* meet worth talking to just aren't enough justification to deal with it.

Interested in reading the abrahamic texts in their entirety. Can I get some suggestions on the best English translations? And maybe some extra books like the dead sea scrolls or Gnostic texts.

>>19147874
>>19148119
have you guys checked out nrgiseternal?

>>19148250
yes

>>19148119
Even major "occultists" (Echols / Koetting) are just larping charlatans and edge-lords. Honestly, Ape's been infinitely more helpful and sincere in spreading the library of Solomon than any yt/internet occultist ever thought about being.

>>19148459
highly agree. this library is better than any other one ive seen. there was a huge one floating around the internet for a while on a mediafire or something that had a lot of stuff but it was quite poorly organized and full of garbage as well. ape is the man.

>>19148459
Thank you but I'm not yet worthy to be mentioned in the same breath as folks like Satyr, Jake Stratton Kent, Joel B, and a handful of others.

>>19148471
>Satyr
>Joel B
How do i find information about these fellas?

>>19148521
Go read Kaos 14.

What books should I read to learn astrology?

File: afd.jpg (284KB, 1067x1408px) Image search: [Google]

284KB, 1067x1408px

>>19148604

>>19142670
>>19142670
i think nudity have power , remember when adam and eve were nude they receive god's grace and were more powerfull spritual being

today also nude worship holds true value , and if u observe the world around , more advance the culture more is the relax criteria towards nudity .

>>19146078
anyone?

File: FILE9721.jpg (255KB, 1600x1082px) Image search: [Google]

255KB, 1600x1082px

>>19147618
I revived it from page 11 last night (or early morning). Praise me Ape!

>>19148988
What interference are you expecting?
Purify the space.

>>19148974
Thank you for that insight.

>>19148988
It's sounds fine. It might even enhance your experience if your senses heighten in "spooky abandoned buildings"

>>19149002
Is that a rendering of the legend of Wild Hunt?

>>19147569
>Rose Cross
what's that, anon?

File: wpid-kartina-asgardsreien-the-wild-hunt-of-odin-napisana-v-1872-godu_i_2.jpg (64KB, 1000x683px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 1000x683px

>>19149065
Yup. Have another!

File: 927620ccd9763eff141173a628e639ea.jpg (306KB, 1500x751px) Image search: [Google]

306KB, 1500x751px

>>19149179
Oops wrong one

>>19148530
Does this dude really think the 93 current is "dead?"
I don't really think any current dies as long as individuals are interfacing with it, although I do agree with his point about orthodoxy amongst the Thelemic leadership.

File: kalki avatar.jpg (1023KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

1023KB, 1920x1080px

>>19149179
>>19149184
Don't forget the best one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqMfWwnLtKg&t=1096s

File: cnhlo4czzh3z[1].jpg (290KB, 1278x1278px) Image search: [Google]

290KB, 1278x1278px

Ape is asleep, time to post images that will trigger him

Where and how to get started with sigil magic

>>19149491
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/spare/aosig.html

>>19149496
>>19149496
Ugh that wall of text

>>19149513
Do it right or don't do it at all

this is one of many possible methods, take the structure and adapt it for your purposes. That's going to require reading. There's a reason the pop culture depiction of Mages features lots of important books

>>19149534
I'm not saying I didn't read it, I did. Anything else I need to read? Before I get started?

>>19149620
Would I have to do this on a new or full moon? See the chaos matrix site has the moon phase dates for 2017

>>19149184
haha nice

>>19148468
>>19148471

There was years ago this site, too bad I cannot recall the name. It was something like occulus.us or similar to that.

They had extremely extensive library on the site, very similar to Ape´s. Kenneth Grant, Crowleyana etc.

One book I really miss from that site was "The Unknown God: W.T. Smith and the Thelemites by Martin P. Starr"

would greatly appreciate it if someone has the pdf. Great piece of Thelemic history and would be a great addition to the libri.

>>19149481
How would that pic trigger him? I think K will agree with that quote.

If i am correct in saying that "satanism" has been created by abrahamic religions to make pagan religions look bad, I really cannot get myself to believe that the aesthetics of satanism (the one that is based on its roots and not on sacrificing children and similar) come from its roots.
Could anyone link me to some reading material that compares satanism and the pagan religions or how abrahamic religions created this false image? I haven't been able to find anything other than "God lied about Satan"

>>19150327
Traditional Satanism, as espoused by groups such as the ONA worship dark entities that far predates Christianity. It is not simply vilified paganism.

I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but my mom might be a medium/beacon/just bat shit crazy/gateway for ghosts and im wondering how to find out/how to banish them or whatever i can do to make it stop

>>19150363

Ignore it, it doesn't exist. Giving any entity attention and/or belief simply empowers it.

>>19150396
Is this true???

>>19150363
Antipsychotics.

In other thread (now deleted) and anon told me I was shitposting because I said that the Abramelin Working consist in 18 months of prayers, purification, binding demons to your will, and then some weeks of rituals to attaining K&C of your HGA, and then a life working with him.

Did I missunderstood the whole working? Or people still believes that the whole work is just 6 months and once you meet your angel you can stop the inevitable?

>>19150872

Yes, you misunderstood it. You're done when you're done, and that means it can take up to 18 months. It's clear you've no actual experience with it, which is likely why they called shitposting on you. Say no to armchair wizarding.

>>19150920
>You're done when you're done, and that means it can take up to 18 months.

The purification and the other stuff takes 18 months, or so says the book. The ritual for K&C is a seven day ritual, and after that the whole work doesn't end in a sense that once you meet your angel there is no way back, you keep working or you are going to fail bad.

There is no 18 months or less time, the book says it clearly, 18 months.

>armchair magician
I never called myself a magician. And btw I doub anyone in this board performed this work at all, but there are the books, and articles, and people can make an understanding and opinion based on it.

The only one i know that perfomed it was Crowley and he never finished it, maybe because he was working based on Mathers translation which is wrong.

>>19143100
>Dharana
>Dhyana
>Samadhi

Question, wizards: I've been trying to incorporate dancing as a way to raise energy during ritual (yeah I'm a faggot) and I've noticed that the three times I've done that in the context of a planetary working (venus, jupiter and sun especifically) it has resulted in a night of insomnia. This doesn't happen if I do the energy raising with other methods.
I do LBRP + GRH before and palo santo the fuck out of the space afterwards, so I'm not really sure what's going on

>>19143100
>elf began to-quite literally, expand infinitely
I've had that happen, it's pretty common, nothing to be scared of

>>19151123
if you're doing it before bed, could just be that you're getting your heart rate up

http://notionclubpapers.blogspot.ca/2012/07/a-companion-to-jrr-tolkiens-notion-club.html

thought y'all might be interested in reading that Tolkien induced shamanic trances to recieve writing inspiration, communicated with spirits and practiced lucid dreaming, likely in part to travel to "the sphere of the moon and beyond"

File: tmp_29780-the_true_face_of_lady_katrana_prestor__colored__by_beb156-d6kfxcd610654078.jpg (120KB, 1024x744px) Image search: [Google]

120KB, 1024x744px

>>19150443
No, it just gives them more access to influence you through your choice of interaction which builds a connection that can be exploited to cause gradual changes in your persona. More if you openly evoke them.
Hence why you be choosy about what entities in lucid-dreamstate meditation you want to make bonds with.

Been seeing that a lot of these religions/beliefs contain chakras/breathing/energy
My question is: Would any religion be better/worse for practicing these and/or where is the best place to start out?

>>19148250
Yes, the fuck is often shitposting here, or at least, was, not long ago. Very much pushy and insistent upon his views being the correct ones. Reminds me of styxhex, from everything I have seen and heard from both of them. Hell, styxhex was defending himself in a thread the other day, but posing as a fan. All because I was razzing him for not looking like he practiced anything he preached and not understanding the inherent value of yoga.

>>19151123
Don't invoke planetary energies before bed it will just keep you awake, except for Saturn, and even then I would only do that for particular reasons

>>19151292
The various systems of yoga/Eatern tradition, as that's where the concept of Chakras seems to have originated...The Vedas and Upanishads, in particular, have a lot to say on the discipline(s) of yoga.

So yeah, go to the source, because there is a lot of New Age woo-woo about "just focus on this area while sitting quietly" type of things. Which is not to say that sort of meditation is NOT beneficial, but it generally doesn't do anywhere near what they promise, but a bunch of people who follow it believe it does anyway, so we end up with a bunch of pseudo-enlightened individuals who claim to have had a Kundalini Awakening because They did a few asanas, or, my personal favorite, a bunch of loons who claim to have "opened their third eye" because they did the Bhrumadhye drsti a few times.

>>19151323
Since it seems like you are pretty advanced in terms of the occult practice.
May i ask how you started out and how long you have been doing it?

>>19151323
>>19151232
Didnt do it before bed, did it around midday :(

>>19151123
If you are referring to GBRH, are you only hitting the planet related to the working? If so, you could try to hit the planets individually, or just follow your GBRH with LBRH, perhaps. Nothing "faggot"-y about incorporating dance in ritual. The technique, I daresay, is as old as ritual itself.

I'm still trying to work out what, exactly, the "Spiral Banishing Dance" and "Spiral Invoking Dance" are.

>>19151348
Be sure to banish shortly before bed, as well. I usually do my banishings around solar midnight, after performing Liber Resh. Sometimes I do invoke before bed, for different reasons, and have noticed an interesting correlation between what invocation(s) I do and how well or poorly I sleep, what kind of dreams I have, even down to the 'subject" of the dreams.

>>19151341
Thanks i will look into it.
Just seems so overwhelming finding all these different beliefs and their practices and reading people already being advanced but never hearing about the road there.

Pardon guys, I've been spending time looking up the provenance of that Gunther edition of ThROA that dude posted in the other thread.

>>19151022
Different translations give different time frames. I've heard everything from 6 to 18 months. It is clear that it *can* be performed in about 6 months, though. Also, once one attains the K&C, it is meant to be maintained, I *believe* throughout the rest of one's life. It *may* change after one crosses the abyss, but that's just me speculating and, in fact, from what I read, I don't think that's the case. That speculation comes from the fact that one has to be willing to shed all their attainments to successfully Cross, but that's probably just me misunderstanding exactly how one does that.

>>19151376
You can see "Hatha Yoga Pradapika" or "Raja-Yoga" for sort of "manuals"

>>19151386
What's your conclusion?

>>19151407
>>19150734

My conclusion is that Gunther has zero access to an "original" form of ThROA because he appears to cite the Kowal Typescript (the version of the ritual in my library) constantly.

To the anon in last thread asking about using 777: I don't know if you're doing it right. I would have to check Liber O again, but the planet of the entity should *not* be on a different row from the entity itself AFAIK. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

To the anon asking if the Star Ruby was "LBRP in poorly translated Greek:" Have you even read the script? It IS greeak and English. The English parts are in proper English, and the Greek parts are in proper Greek. And it also functions differently. But we can see you really studied it hard before coming to a conclusion on it.

>>19151423
Oh? Wait... so that means the copy you have is *also* not the original? Or am I missing something? Sorry, I'm not incredibly familiar with the rite.

>>19151434
The Kowal Typescript is all we have. No other original form of the ritual has survived. This is clear as the typescript in my library is the only source Gunther is using for the ritual. References it in the pages that were posted. Makes me wonder if there is a reproduction in the book, or if Gunther has redacted the various handwritten notes that go along with it.

>>19151346
I started like 5-6 years ago initially as an armchair reader of books and then I really got into it. I wouldn't say I am "advanced" necessarily, I still have problems with discipline and consistency, but I'm not a noob anymore. What else do you want to know?

When you guys do the GRH, do you usually recite some kind of invocation/conjuration before and after (e.g. Before- 'One is Thy beginning, one is thy spirit, thy permutation is one! Thous hast...thou didst...etc.' After- 'O, Come... I call on thee.. Thou art.. etc'.) ? Or do you just analyse the keyword and go about it like the LRH? The former is my M.O. and it has been quite potent thus far.

Also, in another thread, we were talking about how, because of where the LBRP puts one on the Tree, it supposedly has potential to make Lemegeton work less effective...So: doesn't that imply that using Bornless One as a Preliminary Invocation could have the same effect, considering the integration of the Pentagram ritual? Or is it different because it's the GRP as opposed to LRP? Thanks in advance for any and all answers.

>>19151365
Good thinking. Will try and do that.
>>19151356
I'm missing something here. I thought the hexagram rituals were planet independent.

Also, if it helps, I've heard of tribal dancing consisting of simply spinning clock wise or counter clockwise to invoke spirits. There's remnants of that kind of stuff in a lot of carnaval traditions, and folk superstitions.

>>19142670
Why would you use the Discordian Calendar? I have just checked it out and it's pretty complicated, does it have something to do with rituals or something?

Also, can I put numbers on sigils? and how do I make them stronger?

>>19142820
Dude where did that gif come from?

I am saving it so I can caption it and troll the BG conspiracy nuts later.

>>19146204
Hence why Perrenialism is cancer.

>>19151632
>BG conspiracy
?

>>19151631
What?
Where am I using a discordian calendar?

Sure, I guess. Make them stronger by attaching them to more serious ritual work as opposed to fap 'n' bleed.

>>19151626
Crowley uses Spiral Dance in Liber Reguli and the A.'.A.'. initiations.

>>19151608
Depends on what exactly I'm doing. I almost exclusively use GRH for planetary work which means I default to a rather short Agrippan type ritual that cuts out just about everything but 'tuning' to the planet.

File: 1497407893037.jpg (21KB, 480x345px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 480x345px

>>19151637
Shhhh.
They'll crawl out of the woodwork if they hear you.

>>19151646
Oh no, I mean why would someone use the Discordian calendar.

BTW thanks for the answer Ape, it's the first time I get a response from an experienced wizard.

>>19143100
Honestly sounds like extreme auto-suggestion and delusion, mate. I'm not denying that mystical states exist but also the power of the human mind to make a great amount of delusions exist.

>>19148974
The biggest problem in my personal feelies is the sexualization of nudity. I don't mean just some guy seeing a beautiful painting of a naked woman and popping a boner, although it could be argued he does not have his priorities in order. But rather, the banning of public nudity, even at places such as the beach where people wear very little clothing anyway. This whole "put your clothes back on because there are kids around" needs to stop. It creates a whole cycle of repression and compulsion in many cases, and it's absolutely absurd. What makes a woman's nipples more 'offensive' than a man's? Or why is it wrong for a kid to see some stranger's bare ass at the beach, but it's ok to see their own? How about witnessing the phallic nature of the arm of an amputee? Must we now force amputees to cover up their afflicted limbs? Should we now implement laws to prevent children from being exposed to such an egregiously offensive thing as their own bodies? How far must the insanity go?

Now, this is not to advocate for nobody ever wearing clothes, although if that's their personal choice, there is nothing wrong with it, excepting perhaps if the individual is an exhibitionist and is only doing it to get sexual kicks...but even then, trying to prevent that would be to play the thought police. What are the thoughts of other anons on this matter? I'm truly interested. Never thought I would post a thing like this here, but the anon really got me thinking.

>>19151651
>BG Conspiracy
Bohemian Grove.
Was thinking along the lines of "Here, in full Satanic regalia, Huma Abedin sacrifices a young man to Moloch"

>>19151626
The Lesser hexagram Rituals are... I guess Solar (?) in nature...While the GRH is tuned to a specific planet/sign. as seen here:http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Greater_Ritual_of_the_Hexagram

Perhaps you meant to say you have been performing the LRH?

I have heard a lot of things about meditation, crazy things

I now believe that it is the first step into this, for I have to focus.

Can I have any good tip to start doing it? maybe techniques or what to think while I close my eyes.
What about the perfect daytime to do this?

Thanks

>>19151711
Best beginner technique is typically to focus on your breath in lotus posture. you can do the fourfold breath, or some sort of other pranayama cycle either self-devised or from the texts.

>>19151718
The focusing on the breath is one of the easier ways of blocking out other thoughts. As unwilled thoughts arise, neither focus on them nor ignore them, but acknowledge them and let them go. Some people imagine themselves to be seated near a stream, river, or sea, and as these thoughts arise, visualize them either as a symbol representing the entirety of the thought or, a bit easier, picture the thought being sealed into an envelope and being carried into the water by the wind, and carried downstream or out to sea by the water. You can experiment with this to find what suits you best, for now. You can even picture a fire instead of water, but that may be more distracting. The point is, get creative and find which method helps you ease your mind the most. The ultimate goal of this sort of meditation is to achieve a state of no-thought.

>>19151757
>Is Dan Brown's fiction book borrowing from the largely discredited Holy Blood, Holy Grail, real?

Absolutely.

>>19151763
Ape, I think he was asking about the fictional movie series, based on the fictional book by Dan Brown, borrowing from the largely discredited Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

Based on their pic, anyway, this is my conclusion.

>>19151651
A lot of intelligent people I respect dislike perennialism usually because they say it negates the serious differences between various cultures and religions, but what is the spiritual argument against it? If the same "forces" are hitting the earth at any given time doesn't that mean that perenialism has some sort of truth to it?

>>19151817
Electroweak =/= strong nuclear.
Chakras =/= meridians.
Lemegeton =/= Kali Puja.

>>19151827
A lot of people fuck this up, including people I like, like Kenneth Grant. If someone put a gun to your head and asked you to name a universal spiritual archetype what would you say?

>>19151876
I'd say I've never seen one.

Ape, I've got a question if you'll humor me. Do you think that modern musicians employ magick to attract others to themselves and their music? And if so, could a pleb do the same?

>>19151917
I'm not Ape but I believe a lot of musicians utilize "low magick" in the psych LaVeyan sense...some knowingly and willingly, as practitioners of various forms of "magick" (whom I believe to be very much in the minority), and some because it's almost synonymous with standard modern marketing techniques.

Is there a discord?

>>19151917
Not the "Iloominerty pop stars" like Kanye or Katie Perry or whothefuckever you've got a shameboner for.

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnKU1iKJcJ8

>>19151929
>>>/fuckdiscord/

>>19151932
Believe me, I'm not in that camp. I just noticed some sigils in the background of a Die Antwoord video and got curious. Seems to me that they practice chaos magick but I wasn't sure if it was LARPing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMK0prafzw0

File: chaossphere.png (127KB, 666x417px) Image search: [Google]

127KB, 666x417px

>>19151969
>Die Antwoord
Confirmed chaos magicians with an interest in Daoist alchemy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpuhvkM8j6M

So, I understand that New Avatar Power ritual is fluffy woo-woo BS, and the fact that most people who have performed it could not tell me what they were actually *doing* in each step of the ritual, but also could not tell me what "ankar IHVH" means.

Anyhoo, we all know tetragrammaton, but what does "Ankar" even mean? Does anyone know why this so quickly became a meme, or if its originator is even an initiate of any kind? Thanks.

PS I have no interest in performing it, but would like to inform myself as much as possible on the matter, just in case.

>>19151988
>Ankar
Iunno.

>>19151978
As a follow up question, what would you personally recommend to a fledgling musician, other than to git gud? Would sigils or evoking Goetic spirits be the best route?

>>19152035
From the library:
https://mega.nz/#!QdoGiYYQ!i_pNqCVU79oNmIyNuDQEtPXzxBcQPVvF4yG-5fGnBkQ

https://mega.nz/#!oA5xXADY!lbz6tcv8gCaTpu5yrxSFYtEWkV1gjr_DrZzWGMv4iD4

https://youtu.be/x9yfKEGDgm0

>>19152049
Thank you. I appreciate the work you do around here.

>>19152060
That second book has John Zorn and William Breeze essays.

The tune is from a Zorn project and references a highly secretive eclipse ritual from the Cultus Sabbati I'm trying to reconstruct.

>>19152063
If you don't mind me asking, is this related to the coming eclipse in August? Also, how is an eclipse related to magick? Does it strengthen rituals somehow?

File: ZHA.jpg (192KB, 1476x2172px) Image search: [Google]

192KB, 1476x2172px

>>19152087
>coming eclipse in August
>“Chant of the Fallen Altar-Stone at the Black Noontide”
In symphonic silence
& black visions of death
In exstasis becoming
In quickness of breath

The Wheel of Perception
Unfolds for the Flame
The lips of the seeker
Then utter the Name

The Chaos will part
As Wisdom then folds
The thunder casts forth
A Stone in the wolds

By midnight, by cunning
& 8 deeds of the day
By torment & toil
By timber, by clay

An Urn for the fathers
An Urn for the sons
A Snake for the Heart
And the Wytchblood that runs

Black salts of death
White salts of life
Elixirs of poison
Panaceas of strife

These powders projected
Call forth the stone
In the cauldron collected
Beyond all that is known

Six times thou art cleave'd
Six faces are hewn
Six axes in tracing
'Neath Sun blocked by Moon

File: Totemic End.jpg (277KB, 1120x1600px) Image search: [Google]

277KB, 1120x1600px

>>19152118
SUMMONING UNTO THE RITE OF THE FALLEN STONE:

Oh mothers, oh fathers, before you I lay,
I’ve wandered Exiled one year and a day,
Returned to the field of bone, blood, and grain,
Returned to the spot where my Brother was slain,
And unto the hill where his Dolmen was raised.
His fat on the pyres while Thy names I praised.

Oh hear me, now fear me, the golem you wrought,
Honed by perpetually tilling this plot,
Trained in the arts of enchantment of thought,
Tempered in blood, from the forge I was dropped,
Like your prey, like a fly in your web I was caught,
Endlessly tracing the beauty I sought,

Within and beyond, without and between,
The myriads of spheres and the songs that they sing,
The letters, and sigils, the hems and the seams,
The glimpses, the tastes, in the fevers of dream,
The tail and the teeth; the column and beam,
The fable, the myth, the theory, the theme.

Hearken all ye Masters who wrested the prize,
Three times, gnosis snatched, from the Dragon’s cold eyes,

Hearken all ye Faithful who flew from the snare,
The noose on the path, from the Dragon’s bold stare,

Hearken all ye Blooded who gather this peak,
Who whisper the chants, from the Dragon’s told beak,

Hearken all ye Shades, cast forth from within,
Who feast on the shedding of the Dragon’s dropped skin,

Summoned art thou, to the foundation stones
The very grave of the sun
And the mysterium of Zha.

>>19152118
>>19152134
It's not the first time I see you doing this, and I can't stop asking myself "What the fuck is this"

I know, it's interesting but I can't understand the context other than that it must be done in a eclipse night.

Okay, maybe I shoud search, but it would be cool to have an explanation like "Oh yes you do this to be a werewolf and hunt vampires for a night" or I don't know.

No hate please

File: s-l1600 (2).jpg (255KB, 1260x1600px) Image search: [Google]

255KB, 1260x1600px

>>19152184
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Totemic-Invocation-Deluxe-LE-1-11-Jack-Macbeth-Qliphoth-Grimoire-Andrew-Chumbley-/151656613232?hash=item234f704570:g:bwUAAOSwNSxVB5sv

File: Totemic 1.jpg (347KB, 1600x1439px) Image search: [Google]

347KB, 1600x1439px

>>19152224

File: Totemic 3.jpg (297KB, 1600x1190px) Image search: [Google]

297KB, 1600x1190px

>>19152240

>>19152224
>>19152240
>>19152244
You're not cursing me, right?

>>19152250
Not that I'm aware of.

>>19151969

follow Ninja on instagram, he makes it a bit more obvious there

File: 54c200b07bf30cf2d0ee999b953d62d3.jpg (10KB, 236x236px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 236x236px

>>19152349
>Rats Rule 23

I think she makes it even more obvious.

>>19152356
desu i never noticed that...fuck

>>19152063
>https://mega.nz/#!oA5xXADY!lbz6tcv8gCaTpu5yrxSFYtEWkV1gjr_DrZzWGMv4iD4

rituals hidden in music...is that like the belief that ancient structures have hidden information in the way they are built?

File: afx-rs-6.jpg (55KB, 1008x672px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 1008x672px

>>19151978
What about other musicians?

I've read the parareligion piece on Bowie which was interesting, regardless as to whether Bowie was bullshitting or not.

But what about people like Aphex Twin? I've always heard he uses his logo and face as a sigil of sorts.
But there's earlier versions of the logo that don't seem to follow any sigil design method.

>>19152224
>$20,000.00
Fucking hell

>>19152391
Bowie wasn't BSing he was just an amateur with limited potential for the Work.

>Aphex Twin
I dunno for certain.

Some of my favorite occult artists:
>Zero Kama
>Zorn
>Secret Chiefs 3
>Mike Patton (FNM, etc.)
>Whichever thelemite/chaote is in Gwar (my suspicion is Brockie due to tats).
>Boyd Rice
>This dude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO_gquztSho

>>19152420
>LBRP
>Reguli
>Bornless
>Opening of the Vault
>The Stele of Revealing
>Enochian
I really dig the part where the woman's chanting ABRAHADABRA so hard it breaks her voice.

>>19152049
>Lapis Baitulous

Stone of the Stone? Black Stone?

how appropriate for you to be working on that ritual on the day where Saturn goes direct

File: 1482773580262.jpg (185KB, 1200x630px) Image search: [Google]

185KB, 1200x630px

>>19152420
>limited potential for the Work
back when he was railing lines of coke with every alternate breath and reading pseudo historical nazi occult literature, sure. but I'd assume he would have taken it more seriously after leaving berlin and getting off coke.

File: Vessel of Our Lady.gif (201KB, 570x916px) Image search: [Google]

201KB, 570x916px

>>19152464
>Lapis Baitulous
>Lapis Baetylus
>Lapis Bethel
The Bethyl Stone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel_(god)

>>19152452
Also for occult music, one could always groove to the smooth yet complex jazz of Eric Muhler, Crowley's grandson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C72XaWdESCw

File: handsome-black-man-thinking-young-casual-wearing-blue-tshirt-white-background-66273095[1].jpg (6KB, 207x160px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 207x160px

>>19152480
>Sanchuniathon mentions the god Baitylos as a brother of the gods El and Dagon. He later says that the god Sky devised the baitylia, having contrived to put life into stones.

>Compare the Egyptian goddess Hathor whose name means 'House of Horus'.

>>19152480
Eric's workin' the piano, if it wasn't obvious.

>The Elixir doesn't drip far from the wand.

>>19152049
It always impresses me how David Chiam Smith is able to talk about the exact same concept in so many different ways through so many different mediums.

>>19152496
Eeeeeeyup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanchuniathon#The_history_of_the_gods

Schulke signs all his works "Vox Baetyla", "The Voice of the Stone".

>>19152512
>>19152496
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baetylus

>>19152519
Am I wrong in thinking that the "Star to the Stone" is a very powerful formula for manifestation that is omnipresent in the Semitic religions? I remember sitting in church thinking that there is a lot more going on with the "Peter is the Rock" thing than the church lets on

File: dOmphalosDelphi.jpg (87KB, 378x455px) Image search: [Google]

87KB, 378x455px

>>19152519
An omphalos is an ancient religious stone artifact, or baetylus. In Greek, the word omphalos means "navel". According to the ancient Greeks, Zeus sent out two eagles to fly across the world to meet at its center, the "navel" of the world. Omphalos stones used to denote this point were erected in several areas surrounding the Mediterranean Sea; the most famous of those was at the oracle in Delphi.

>>19152533
That looks an awful lot like some Lingam stones I saw when I was in India

>>19152530
>Am I wrong in thinking that the "Star to the Stone" is a very powerful formula for manifestation that is omnipresent
Not at ALL.

Why else do you think that Azoetia and DBoE have you acquiring so much meteoric iron?

>>19152420
Graham Bond is/was excellent. It's unfortunate what happened to him toward the end. ginger Baker had almost nothing but good to say about the guy, which says a LOT coming from Baker, who reminds me of the two old guys who were critics on The Muppets.

>>19152540
https://youtu.be/shIMsewxqDg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benben
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramidion

>>19152541
Does Meteoric and Telluric iron have different magickal properties?

>>19152551
There may not be a "universal" spiritual archetype but there are certainly some that are exceedingly common...

Things like enlightenment and losing your ego aren't going to happen, even after the aliens come to earth. Even after we go to other planets. I say, let's have the BIGGEST egos while we can, it's the only way.

>>19152551
so the DBOE system seems to be based around really extreme invocation, with you initially becoming a "steed" for the "Gods" (symbolized by the Horsemen) and then a "Stone" which is the original archetype for the "place of divine manifestation"

File: vajra.jpg (33KB, 360x360px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 360x360px

>>19152556
Very.

You use telluric iron to fuck with telluric energies.
You use meteoric iron to fuck with stellar energies.

>This was once the molten heart of a planetoid.
>It was cast down unto your waiting hands as a reminder of the cosmic birth and dissolution processes to which our lives and magicks are insignificant in comparison

It is believed that Tibetans have an ancient tradition of using meteoric iron for ritual Phurbas, however, very few genuine pieces have survived or are known to exist. There is also mention of Guru Rinpoche or Yeshe Tsogyal concealing meteoric ritual supports as terma and a number have been re-discovered over the centuries. The immense power of a meteorite when it falls to earth is so destructive and awesome in nature, that it is easy to see why 'sky metal' is such a sought after material for ritual weapons.

>>19152572
The only major deposits of Telluric iron are in greenland and Germany so the only peoples who got to fuck with it were the Inuits and Germanic peoples. I wonder how it changed their cultures.

>>19152572
The Recursive nature of all things is making me feel like a fat person who stood up too fast.

>>19152581
You'll never really get used to it.

>>19152579
I forgot about the Norse although by the time they settled Greenland they were pretty Christ cucked

Did Kenneth Grant really want the Typhonian OTO to take over the world so they could prepare us all for getting buttfucked by aliens? That seems a lot like the kind of shit Alex Jones thinks occultists do, and it's kind of embarrassing

>>19152643
Probably.
I mean, the tOTO charter is really fucking clear:
>The establishment of earthly national governance under the Supreme and Holy Kings of the 10th Degree within the Sovereign Sanctuary of Gnosis

File: 800px-Saint_christopher_cynocephalus[1].gif (1MB, 800x1487px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 800x1487px

what is the mystery of Cynocephalus and how does it relate to the grade of Magus? Crowley implies, I think in the Vision and the Voice that it is the only true way to gain knowledge of the nature of Stars.

>>19152646
thanks for showing us KAOS magazine, its a great read. Do you agree with SATYR that 156 is the "true" development of 93?

File: enochian.jpg (166KB, 638x835px) Image search: [Google]

166KB, 638x835px

>>19152669
And the tablet blazeth ever brighter till it filleth the whole Aire. And behold! there is is one God therein, and the letters of the stars in his crown, Orion, and the Pleiades, and Aldebaran, and Alpha Centauri, and Cor Leonis, and Cor Scorpionis, and Spica, and the pole-star, and Hercules, and Regulus, and Aquila, and the Ram's Eye.

And upon a map of the stars shalt thou draw the sigil of that name; and because also some of the letters are alike, thou shalt know that the stars also have tribes and nations. The letter of a star is but the totem thereof. And the letter representeth not the whole nature of the star, but each star must be known by itself in the wisdom of him that hath the Cynocephalus (The dog-headed Ape of Thoth) in leash.

The mystery of Kynokephalos is 1366, the same enumeration as O PHALLOI in the Liber 25, The Star Ruby.

>>19152673
Yes.
You do realize Satyr used to be a regular poster here and I study under him, yes?
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/username/satyr/

>>19152689
I remember talking about CHAOS-BABALON and Black Lodge of Santa Cruz with my local OTO body.

They didn't like to talk about the Ghosts of Christmas Past because that leads into Ebony Anpu and The Hawk and Jackal Lodge.

File: hamal[1].jpg (31KB, 560x297px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 560x297px

>>19152674
I can't help but notice the distinct lack of Draco. I'm not going to speculate too heavily about something beyond my pay grade but that seems to be referencing a way to gain awareness of "current" of each star through association or juxtaposition.

>The mystery of Kynokephalos is 1366, the same enumeration as O PHALLOI in the Liber 25

im pretty certain this has to do with some sexual formula that I don't understand just like the rest of Thelema

>>19152689
How come he doesn't come around anymore? This thread could use more serious practitioners.
>>19152699
>Ghosts of Christmas Past
>Ebony Anpu and The Hawk and Jackal Lodge
I feel like ive corresponded with you about Ebony like a million times on this thread at this point

File: Earth-Precession.gif (60KB, 400x416px) Image search: [Google]

60KB, 400x416px

>>19152701
>I can't help but notice the distinct lack of Draco. I'm not going to speculate too heavily about something beyond my pay grade but that seems to be referencing a way to gain awareness of "current" of each star through association or juxtaposition.

>>19152711
1) /x/ sucks.
2) Personal shit I don't feel fully comfortable divulging. Suffice it to say my communications with Guruji have been limited in the past few months.

File: 1[1].jpg (121KB, 640x360px) Image search: [Google]

121KB, 640x360px

>>19152713
>crown
wow I'm such a dummy. I swear if I gain any spiritual authority the Gods are going to have to explain everything to me through pictures

>>19152718
Bummer. As far as I can tell the 156 current and the Hawk and Jackal lodge are the most interesting things to come out of the Thelemic current in the last like 30 years, like there was a burst of gnosis in the 80s and early 90s that just kind of petered out

>>19152689
>You do realize Satyr used to be a regular poster here and I study under him, yes
I actually have an old x thread saved in my "learn about hawk and jackal" file where satyr was talking about this. Wasn't there also a time when 137's own wife showed up to talk on this thread?

>>19152770
Yes.

>>19153024
You gotta love a woman that fights for her dead husbands legacy like 20 years later

>>19152736
Well, you should likely understand that what we're all doing here is an extension of 156-871.

I've never made it a secret that I'm an unorthodox Thelemite, and I'm not quite a Chaote. My banner is Beast and Harlot conjoined.

In fact, given some of the conversations I've had with Satyr, Joel was interested in traditional craft and the "missing" tradition that Chumbley seeks to fill out.

>>19153107
>871
?

>>19153157
>xaoc=871

>>19153162
>Chaos - Babylon

Oh duh

>>19153107
>Joel was interested in traditional craft and the "missing" tradition that Chumbley seeks to fill out.

I strongly feel like that's an important part of the equation too and I see shades of it in shared mysteries between traditions (Lord and Lady, the Draco connection we've already talked about.)

Did those conversations get anywhere? I suspect strongly that the occultism of the future will be a synthesis of those currents, especially considering that the Ku Sebbitu (sp) seems to have spent a lot of time synthesizing currents

Damn good work /omg/ you guys are talking about some real shit. I swear I'd rather join a lodge with some of you clowns than any of the "occultists" I meet in meatspace

>>19153162
Hey Ape, I'm looking for guides or tools on poetic ritual or poetic incantation. Do you have anything on the matter?

File: Marishiten.png (407KB, 561x800px) Image search: [Google]

407KB, 561x800px

>>19152572
nice Dorje/Vajra

Do you use it in your own rites?

>>19142670
>no one asking for the source
Have spooks and conspiracies turned this board into a bunch of fags or something?

>>19153576
we have sexy image search now.
also /u/ is a click away.

Had a giggle seeing OPs pic and noticing OP is Ape.
Today is a good day by the way. For The Great Work.

Bump https://youtu.be/w_MSFkZHNi4

>>19151684
yes, and if people are offended by a erect penis then they need to remember that this is natural

on the other hand nudity will bring whole body to truth and in the process people will pay more attention to there body then to expensive cloths
overall health for population

people are brainwashed in to hiding there bodies and buying more expensive cloths to do so

i read this in some science genreal that bring nude increase blood flow across body and thus more beautifull skin and healthy organ , wearing tight cloths restricts blood flow , also vitramin D with exposure to sunlight

i see why God dont wanted adam and eve to wear cloths ..

>>19151684
also to support nude worship is that u dont hide anything and in your maximum spritual form possible

File: aminom.jpg (299KB, 1600x1200px) Image search: [Google]

299KB, 1600x1200px

>>19153964
Because God is evil. Duh. Watch this informative documentary: https://vimeo.com/129609470

Really interested in all this.

Would anyone be willing to share their journey?
Like what made you start, where you are now and how the journey was?
Would be interesting to hear

File: aleistecrowley.jpg (171KB, 800x1138px) Image search: [Google]

171KB, 800x1138px

What was HR Giger's relationship with the occult?
Was he a practitioner or just interested in the symbols and history?

Parareligion has an anecdote about him performing rituals with the Swiss OTO but says he didn't continue working with them.
Is there any more about him and his beliefs?

>Winner of an Oscar for his literally visceral designs for the film Alien (offal from an abbatoir was used in the special effects), the artist Hansruedi (H.R.) Giger was contacted in 1977 by Ulla von Bernus, a selfstyled priestess of Satan, who along with her girlfriend and Giger made a trip to Stein, staying overnight. Frau von Bernus, according to Giger (once he had made his mind up about her) had "come hence thence" with the intention of celebrating a great many magical rituals. Giger had gone in the hope of finding drawings by Crowley, but in vain; he came away from Stein with just a bottle of the 'Swedish Elixir of Life', and a dust-jacket from one of Gustav Meyrink's books — later lost, which was "very distressing" for him. After the visit to Stein, Frau Bernus and Herr Giger were the guests of Oscar Schlag, who impressed them both very much.
>In Giger's opinion, Fräulein Aeschbach and Metzger were perfectly pleasant and harmless. Nevertheless, he wanted nothing more to do with either Frau von Bernus, or with Stein; to him they seemed "so comical and so 'heavy'." [72]

Anyone has experienced good things with sigils? Or anything at all? The sigil thread is very silly.

>>19154493
Yes, plenty. Even the whole "jack off and/or bleed" on them method *will* work, but it's generally better to at least stylize some small ritual for charging, or better yet incorporate into another ritual, or evoke/bind an entity to it, etc. They can be great. This Thelemite has personally combined all of the aforementioned methods, at some point or another within the past 2 months, with folk magic as smaller parts of a larger operation. So far, so good.

>>19154719
What you used them for?

>>19154741
Not willing to talk about the current operation, but in the past, a desperate need for money led me to create a fairly simple sigil, on paper, even, a few times, and every time it worked. There was no windfall or anything, but basically just a few dollars more than I needed to get me thru to my next paycheck. Fairly mundane stuff.

Are there any non-sexual rituals for creating an egregore/ "synthetic" elemental? And where to look if so? How about the sex magic rituals for creating them...where might one look for those? thanks, all.

Do the 9 chambers of Kether have anything to do with Aiq Bkr? Also, how is "Kether" properly pronounced? The English translation seems to be spelled differently by different people.

This is a non-meme question, not in any way related to "muh illuminerty kitty purry uhleets kuhball moll-ick sack-ra-fice" threads...

Is there a legitimate Illuminati Lineage extant? Or any Illuminati, other than that scam org online that charges membership fees for bragging rights? There has been speculation among some I know that perhaps it is an inner order of some or other Rite of masonry, either regular or irregular, etc. Anyone have the lowdown on this?

File: 1450197300397.gif (149KB, 644x910px) Image search: [Google]

149KB, 644x910px

>>19154913
>Illuminati Lineage extant
No, but the rituals have been published in the book "Secret School of Wisdom" which was in the library but got DMCA'd.

I can send you a copy if you drop me a dummy email, or you can buy it from Lewis Masonic.

The book contains everything one would need to reactivate the order; rituals, doctrines, and protocol.

>>19154989
YES, PLEASE. What's the best way to make a dummy email?

>>19154995
mail.com

>>19154999
https://service.mail.com/registration.html?edition=int&lang=en&#.1258-header-signup2-1

While you're doing that I'm gonna see which of my dummies are still active, or if I'm just gonna send it to you through my main library email.

Pls reply when you've got an email and I'll shoot you the link ASAP.

>>19154999
[email protected]

Thank you, kind sir.

>>19155014
Sent.

>>19155022
Very much appreciated.

Hey, is there anyone here with experience in Enochian that can confirm or deny what this clown: >>>19154849
is talking about? Apparently my Enochian isn't up to snuff to uncover the sooper sekrit Enochian rites encoded into every big hit by a pop star ever. But just in case there is something more to it that sneaks by my radar every time, it seems worth the asking.

>>19155052
>that can confirm or deny
He's a funposting retard.

>>19155058
>funposting
Haven't heard that one in a while! Suppose that makes me spergtastically autistic for even engaging the fella. There was an interesting conversation the other day about occultism in music between you and another anon, and it seemed like there was a teensey,weensey, chance the guy might be onto something. Until the second post, of course,

>>19155332
Thanks.

>>19155342
Sure. What's the deal with the Etheric-vs-astral plane? This anon has heard both that they are the same, and that they are different. "Etheric plane" and "etheric body/projection" seem to have come from Theosophy? Is there a difference, or where could one look to educate themselves more about such a topic?

>>19155349
>Etheric-vs-astral plane
Mostly memes derived from poor understandings of new age doctrines combined with too much D&D cosmology.

In my own little headcanon, it's all "astral". There's a "near astral" that covers things like Remote Viewing, etc., and "far astral" which covers things like spheres and paths on the tree or other spiritual spaces (Pure Land, etc.).

>>19155365
Thanks. that makes sense. that was kinda the impression it made on me. like, when one is scrying the tatwas, they are working with aspects of the astral, and considering how the "etheric plane" is sometimes described as corresponding to the akasa, it seemed to me that this was about how it worked.

Do you consider the 'mental plane' a separate thing, though?

>>19155382
Not really. Usually goes into my category of "far astral" unless you're doing something like art of memory or any other loci based visualization practice.

If it has anything to do whatsoever with "irl" space, I categorize it as "near".

hey guys, i have a question for you.

which one imrove my mood and give more energy?

as a guy, btw.

continue to my sexual life but avoid ejeculation,

or

observing celibacy.

File: 10d.jpg (104KB, 960x925px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 960x925px

>>19155479
>>>/adv/
>>>/r9k/

We aren't your sex therapist and I'm fucking sick and tired of people coming in here with their sexual problems asking about nofap or >tfw no succbutt gf

>>19155487
>>19155487
i am asking for magickal and spiritual qualities. and i know some of you guys knowladgeble about tantra.

my apologies.

>>19155487
Lel. It seems there is a certain way to ask about it, that is related to the subject matter of this board. But that's not it.

>>19155507
>i am asking for magickal and spiritual qualities
>>19155479
>which one imrove my mood and give more energy?
No you're fucking not. You're in here looking for basic therapy.

>>19151699
Yes! The LRH. That's what I did.

>>19155512
so you are treating people more roughly now. i get it this is your thread. you can stop being dickhead. you are the alpha. ok.

>>19155512
and yes i am actualky. but nevermind .

>>19155530
Tell me, anon, what's occult about your poor moods?

>>19155530
It's not just Ape. Most regulars get sick of the combination of shitposting and posts completely irrelevant to the topicat hand. See:>>19155510

Where is a good start for Vajrayana? I started reading the Hevajra but I don't think its exactly a good starting place

I'm also working on my own notes comparing the different lineages to get a feel for it

Is it true that everyone can use magic?
Are there different 'potentials'?

>>19155534
forget it. you must have more important things me to. go on

>>19155565
Hevajra Tantra is one of the pinnacles of the tradition.

I agree it's not the best start, but it contains IMMENSE secrets for those with Eyes to See in the Western Tradition.

Depends; if you don't know about this sort of religion in general, then you maybe want Kali Kaula or Kiss of the Yogini.

If you already know basis, then Kaulajnananirnaya or Kularnava Tantra.

>>19155568
Yes, to both.
Anyone can do this shit.
How well, and how far you can take it, depends on the system, personal inclination, and raw talent.

>>19155570
Better things to do than give some rando anon advice about their fap habits? Yes, actually, I have lunch to cook.

>>19155570
>which one imrove my mood and give more energy?
Lel. The entirety of your question, as you presented it, was based upon the premise that your desired end was to:
>imrove my mood and give more energy?
So, perhaps you see now why this got the reaction it did? again, refer to >>19155535
and come back a little later if you're still interested. If you ask in a sincere manner that is truly related to the topics at hand, you will almost certainly get a good answer.

I downloaded a PDF of a magical text some time ago and there was a warning at the front that a curse would be placed upon anyone who illegally read or distributed the book.
I pussied out and deleted it, but is such a thing even possible?

>>19155589
ok

>>19155601
No, you got bazooled

>>19155600
ok

>>19155601
Possible? Yes. Likely that someone with those particular talents would have actually done it and posted it in the book? Les likely, but within the realm of possibility, it seems.

>>19155589
Raw talent being a supernatural thing you are born with or a personality better suited to it?

>>19155613
Think of it as "Nature vs. Nurture." Just like certain instruments, or drawing, painting, other arts, some people seem to have a predisposition to it, and when they put in the Work, are able to develop faster because of it. Then you get your people who are tone-deaf, or color-blind, or have aphantasia, who are really limited by not only their lack of aptitude but also inhibited by 'disabilities.' Then there's everyone in the middle. Pretty much like that.

>>19155606
>>19155611
Okay, it was a Joseph H Peterson book so just thought it might have been legit

>>19155618
Okay, that's interesting. Are there any ways to gauge ones own talent?

Any powerful magician wants to put a spell on me so that I get laid tonight? I need to draw my sigil on a female tummy and cum on it

this is not a joke

>>19155618
>who are really limited by not only their lack of aptitude but also inhibited by 'disabilities.'
Also keep in mind:
>There are plenty of tone deaf rockstars and cellists. There are plenty of IQ 108 Nobel Physics winners. Some people just have to work harder, and it's a matter of how much ass you're willing to bust. Secret: I have comparatively little "talent" for magick. It took me over a year of hour plus daily yoga sessions to astrally project as a teen.

>>19155620
I've never had a problem passing around Peterson's texts, though have made friendly promises about certain editions as a gesture of good faith.

Generally speaking I'm under the impression Peterson guards his texts against the *scanning pirate* not the pdf swapper.

>>19155589
I can't recommend Kali Kaula enough for beginners. That lady knows her shit

File: DSC_8574_FriesJan_gr.jpg (361KB, 605x857px) Image search: [Google]

361KB, 605x857px

>>19155636
>Jan Fries
>Girl

>>19155633
>> yoga sessions to astrally project
First I've heard of this. What method would you recommend to reach astral projection? I was just about to follow a Robert Bruce guide called astral dynamics for this.

>>19155589
While it might not the best start it has been an insightful reading so far, I think I may continue with it. Will check out Kularnava and Kaulajnananirnaya, thanks.

>>19155673
Usually one is in asana while projecting. Not sure what other aspects of yoga he may be referring to, perhaps meditative aspects, but it's pretty common. the official /x/ meme seems to be that you need to be asleep and lucid dream to AP which is silly.

Hey, off topic here, there is a term which escapes me, similar to philistine and luddite in meaning, but not quite either. Seems like it starts with the letter "e" and if anyone knows please advise. it always escapes my attempts to recall it when necessary. if nobody knows, still, here's a (bump)

How long did it take you to become aware of the energy?

>>19155770
Who are you addressing and what energy are you talking about? Electricity? Fission? Fusion? Chi? Prana? Kinetic? Potential?

>>19155808
Adressing anyone and guessing "spiritual energy" which has a lot of different names in different beliefs though describing the same thing

>>19155816
Oh Christ, are you one of the P----------ts?

>>19155816
>which has a lot of different names in different beliefs though describing the same thing

Yeah, no. There are many different systems of 'energy' and you can't say they are the same thing exactly.

>>19155824
I don't know what you mean. I'm new to all this and obviously am interested and just wanted to know about it.

>>19155843
I'm just guessing that they all come from the same roots.

>>19155844
Well, it didn't seem safe to use the word... (perennialists) but was referencing what this anon >>19155843
is referring to.

>>19155849
You didn't read the thread, did you?

>>19155858
I guess so. I am really interested in all of the different beliefs presented but there are so many so it is difficult. I just found that many of these beliefs all focus on being able to feel "energy" and using it for different things.
I just wanna start out and it is very diverse and overwhelming thats all

>>19155864
If you check out the library linked up top, there is a beginner's folder. you can also read and lurk the threads, because in between shitposting and infighting there are some really good conversations.

>>19155868
Missed the beginners folder. Thanks for your response!

>>19155886
You're welcome!

>>19155679
Is it possible to AP via lucid dream, or is that something else entirely?

>>19155938
It IS possible to do but at that point noobs start to conflate AP with LD.

LD is to normal dreaming as AP is to normal wakefulness.

>>19155943
Do we know HOW that meme got started? After having gone into six different AP threads in the span of a week and linking some of Crowley's BoL stuff and pointing out that trying to do it while asleep is not the best way to start, the futility prevented me from continuing my quest to spread the word.

File: Q0O.jpg (22KB, 426x426px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 426x426px

>>19155956

>How it got started

People being people, and spouting bullshit to other people to seem smurt.

By the by, Apesworth, you do not appear to has One Year Manual in the liberry and I feel it would be a good addition to the Beginners folder. It's available through one of the usual pdf sources if you take an urge to throw it in.

>>19156381
-t hopeless romantic

>>19156381
>If anyone is at work
>2017
>doing the great work but not doing your OWN work
>not owning your own company
shiggy

File: has-anyone-really-been-far-even-as-decided-to-use-even-go-want-to-do-look-more-like.jpg (28KB, 600x602px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 600x602px

I dunno if any of you cats keep an eye on Scientology like I do, but, uh, Marty Rathbun's going off the deep end.

Check out the Bunker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqBA9qcu0Ws

>>19156394
That's me! So, since the thread is slow af, here's something:
Last night, my training in Liber ThIShARB began in earnest. After my yoga session, about the last hour or so before bed, this Thelemite began working various aspects of the handwriting portion, including those designed "by his own ingenium."

Well, it seems to have begun the gears turning backward, so to speak, because my dreams were almost entirely comprised of a very early part of my life which has not entered my dreams for likely more than a decade. Obviously, there is no plan to call the beginning the end, but has anyone else experienced this as a result of ThIShARB? Or is it more likely a coincidence? Thanks.

>>19156432
Not everyone here can run their own businesses like you and me, anon. Someone has to do some other kind of work, so we're not a world composed of billions of small businesses run exclusively by sole proprietors.

>>19156433
Hahaha. Are those all members of the "church"? Or why are their faces covered?

>>19156433
If this is anything like the South Park episodes I owe you a thanks

So how do you read those books in the library?
Do you print them out and read like normal books, or do you read them on your PC?
Also any special recommendation on what to read in the beginners folder?

>>19156468
Either or, according to your preference. Several have printed them. It can be tedious to read on a computer, but some prefer it. In the beginner's folder, you can google the titles and see where your fancy takes you. Or read them all in the order in which they appear. Or a random order. Or...&c.

>>19156446
Not directly as in dream. It takes just a tiny bit of discipline to start running your shit backward, though. May I recommend a ThIShARB 'mircopractice'. Do an hour of yoga then write your record in painstaking detail by running the event backward. Your memory will ABSOLUTELY improve.

>>19156462
Protesters.

>>19156463
Oh man there's too much about Rathbun to cover in a thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdrctdwJEWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI8nohsFO8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LOxEPPY87o

>>19156493
Thank you. Shall it be written backward or left-handed? Or written normally, but in reverse order according to how the events actually occurred? Again, thank you

>>19156502
Generally what I'll do is a half cheat since you're already clipping for convenience and experimentation.

Start at the bottom of the page with the most recent time (59 mins 50 seconds) then go back until you hit T -0.

This a mental yogic variant leading toward facilitation of the Big Work of self-regression (which is really fucking dangerous and I do not recommend without someone checking your work...you don't wanna wind up like Bardon and/or every wiccan girl who was cleopatra or boudica).

>>19156433
That's too bad, I had a lot of hope for the "free zone" scientologists

>>19156514
>Start at the bottom of the page with the most recent time (59 mins 50 seconds) then go back until you hit T -0.
That way, though you started at the bottom and worked backward toward the top, it still appears on paper as a neat and detaied yogic/ritual record.

>>19156514
So, just write it with my right (strong) hand, from the bottom right to the top left, so that when it's done it appears as though it was written normally left to right, top to bottom?

Also, what happened to Bardon in this respect? Is the danger of self-regression a form of megalomania?

>>19156517
This has been coming for a decade, as evidenced by Prince's clairvoyance.

Mark's posted nine vids this week attacking Going Clear after it was revealed he was giving freezoner email addresses in Israel to Holy Mother Church.

>>19156478
thanks for answering my question.

>>19156533
He thought he WAS the "HISTORICAL" Hermes Trismegestus in a past life.

>>19156493
>493

At least $cientology is still working on new Tech unlike certain other famous mystery schools I could name

>>19156539
Prince as in "the" Prince? I thought he was a Seventh Day Adventist.

Did you know that the Nation of Islam is "certified" to give out e-meter readings?

>>19156547
Hahaha breddy funny.

Also, scanning that "pepe the frog is in the sky" post, it's lovely how [TRIGGERED] people get when anyone, but ESPECIALLY you, use science to make accurate and factual points. or historical record, or really any acceptable source of info and study.

>>19156493
Seems like David has been reading some Reich. I wonder if Hubbard left him a reading list. Supposedly he had few to no instructions for what should happen to him after he died

>>19156547
Wait, so was Bardon working ThIShARB? Was he even an initiate into any actual system/body?

>>19156571
Jesse prince.

>>19156550
Golden Era of Tech II isn't new tech. It's old tech for twice the price.

>>19156581
I know mate.

>>19156599
>David has been reading some Reich
?
Miscavige? I dunno, maybe...he doesn't strike me as the "reading" type.

"Power is assumed."
~t. DM, CoB.

>>19156674
Ape, it has been said that you used to be a regular on /div/ Is this true or was it misrepresented to me? Also,
>>19156668
please n thanks, dear?

This will be my second meme-ish question of the day, forgive. What's the actual deal with succubi? We all know the threads on here constantly, and the RPers who swear they have a qt succubus waifu, but is such a relationship actually possible? Or is literally every single person making the claim just a sad LARPing virgin? Thanks for suffering my ignorance, friends.

What are some good starting points for Daoist magic?

I suppose you need to speak Chinese to get the best books.

https://youtu.be/rYU4Qp9JFTA

>>19156806
Secret of the Golden Flower. Don't get the Jung translation

I'm not memeing here but every time I meditate for just a few minutes I feel a very strong "pressure" in the centre of the forehead, where the stereotypical third eye is. The problem is it always gets intense enough to distract me out of meditation.
Is there anything that should be done in such a situation or should you just meditate through it?

>>19156759

Sad larping virgins or dipfucks getting used by a trickster that sees them as a particularly retarded cheeseburger.

>>19156829
Thanks!

>>19156829
I thought Jung just had a commentary on it. What would be a good translation of it?