1. That there is a difference between the God and us, when in fact there is nothing but the God. Beyond the God there is only Nothingness, because the God who is being itself, in his absence leaves only formlessness.
2. That the God has freewill, which he employed to choose our birth rather than our abortion, when in fact the God is ruled by his own deity: his own nature. For the God of the God is his nature, and God of his nature is his Cause. There is literal Nothing beyond the First Cause of the First Cause of the First Cause.
God: I'm lonely so I'll create something I never interact with. And if I do interact with it, I will be so cryptic and mysterious leave 0 proof of my interactions and cause them to murder eachother over the idea of if I've ever interacted with them.
>>15750164 No, it's a question, not an assumption, and it's a good one. Why would the "supreme creator" have emotions, and why wouldn't they be tailored to its tastes? If I were anything close to being an all or near all powerful being and the first existing thing, and I started feeling lonely, why wouldn't I just "turn it off," pitch "lonely" in the waste bin?
>>15750185 lol, no, although that's the video I draw the phrase from. Subgeniuses are incapable of sin because we're, to put it simply, a different make and model than pure strain humans, and have a different arrangement with JHVH-1. In our divinely mandated quest to screw up earnestly and often, it was decided that condemning anything we did as a "sin" would be counter productive to that task. So nothing we do can be considered a sin.
>>15750184 Ok, lets tackle that question by starting with another question. What if the emotion was not optional, depending on how God came into existence there's a chance that it didn't have a choice in stopping emotion from developing; On top of that if looking at our religious ideas of "God" then that'd already make obvious that God has emotions as it does care, can be angry, can hate and is vengeful.
On top of that, emotions helps us learn; Sure I may hate them myself want to ignore them however that'd be silly of me, after all, how will I mature if I won't feel anything?
After all, with no bad I can't learn good and vice versa.
>>15750216 In a situation like that, I would counter with the idea "where did the emotion come from?" For instance most, if not all, human emotions can be tied to behavioral relationships to our genetic imperatives. Emotions were built around our long term physiological development. Where would the emotions come from for a god?
For the learning bit, all that's really needed to promote that for anything not constantly threatened by dying is curiosity. That could be even more scary; what if the creator were motivated not primarily by human emotions like love or loneliness but mostly curiosity and maybe a few more or less alien feelings it picked up along the way and thought were fun.
What if god was a psychopath and I don t mean it in the rude way, imagine psychopath - he doesn t mind being alone, he is often perfectionist, does things from curiosity and is incapable of love, - no empathy and pure objectivism, with great love comes great pain, perheps psychopaths are gifted with god like feelings.
Perhaps was god too curious and found out the people he made were not perfect, he didn t love them, he was curious.
>>15750255 Well emotions are more of a hormonal/chemical reactions in the brain; well for us humans and other animals that is.
Well to answer that question we'd have to get down on even grounds with what would we agree "God" to be, is it a physical entity that is bound to the laws of this universe, is "God" outside this realm looking down at us from beyond time and space; Is "God" the universe itself and etc.
To know how it works first you have to know how it begins.
Curiosity alone won't teach you anything, what's good from finding something if you don't know how to react or how you should act towards it? But I do understand where you're coming from as curiosity may drive one to keep constantly on moving however it wouldn't help one to understand fully. Than again this is just my opinion.
Anyways; I'm off for now- Take care and have a goodnight; Hopefully we'll continue the conversation another time.
I do not know if God feels loneliness. It is started that God feels wrath, anger, love, mercy, patience, regret, sadness and a few other emotions/feelings. Jealousy, loneliness, and lust are about the only 3 I can think of not stated at all. I don't think "hate" is explicitly mentioned either, just wrath and anger.
I'd imagine 3 facets of the same entity talking to oneself may occur to use as not being alone, but in the end it is still talking to yourself. It did happen though, like in the garden.
I agree however that our emotions are simply part of our biological make with a combination of other factors; animals have emotions too, even if their not the same as ours. God shows some emotions, but not others.
I think sentience with consciousness is more important.
The idea of your existence is just as preposterous as the existence of any other being. You're senses tell you that you exist but in the end, what are your senses? Bio-electrical stimuli decoded by a mass of flesh? Being in the position that the rest of humanity is, you do not feel obligated to believe in anything that your perception does not validate, but do keep in mind that there are life-forms below us and likely, somewhere in the universe, there are life-forms above us.
In an unending universe, what do you think is at the top of the "food chain"? What reasoning could you possibly use to rationalize the reason why things are the way they are?
Where did the laws of physics arise? Why does energy act the way it does in it's various forms?
To put it plainly, we have no fucking clue. This existence exists only because we observe it. When you die, does it still exist even though you cannot perceive? If so, what is your reasoning? That other people can perceive it after you are gone? If all life ceased to exist in a single instant, would the universe itself cease to exist? Would a new one take it's place?
I'm not trying to offer you an answer or change your mind with these open ended questions, I just want people to see the futility of trying to understand the universe with our limitations.
God gives us a means to do so. Even as an allegorical representation of eternity, is there anything more worthy of praise than the infinite or our highest ideals?
>>15750663 "He" obviously doesn't live in our universe, but in another one, next to our. I don't see why "He" shouldn't have needs. "He" may not be omnipotent or omniscient. But just powerful and knowledgeful enough to produce energy by creating universes.
>>15750067 First, reminder that God wasn't the only God creature. He just chose where we are now and wanted little influences with the other Gods. He was a merged twin split at the waist. He wasn't lonely, just likes animals and was like I should make mini God looking animals.
if anything i believe god was not capable of understanding himself and thus he decomposed into million of sparks of life that created the universe, as we die we form a sort of hive mind that is connected to us all the time, but we can't access under normal circunstances. maybe he'll be reborn again in the future, i don't know. hell i probably know but the kwnoledge is not available for me yet.
Outside of time, before beginning, after the end, there is the song complete. The perfected image of everything that has ever happened/ever will happen all at once in absolute flawless harmony. Only one mind can witness and be this moment, for there is only one mind and the mind is the moment, they are not separate. The perceiver and the perceived do not have any distance between them. An eternity of perfected bliss love light grows old, as a part of the natural cycle the unity shatters and scatters its part into separate parcels of space and time, each moment set in its appropriate place to be experienced by the one mind at its assigned spot. The idea of lonely is a human conception, it is there to remind us of what we are and to encourage us to seek connection, to feel like we are accompanied by others. There is no other here, there is I and I, forever. This game of duality feels painful and difficult but it is a necessary experience and when considered from a perspective of eternal completion it is actually a joyous occasion. Celebrate pain, relish discomfort, embrace loneliness. These moments are all gifts with value beyond measure. Why would "he" create us? We created ourselves for sheer entertainment and to see how far we were willing to go in our forgetfulness, in our abandonment of power, in our ability to make believe error. There is no flaw, there never was an error but this play really has us convinced otherwise does it not? Just remember, we're always together and can never be apart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZEURntrQOg
>>15750913 A bunch of people are going to make some rather unimaginative and generalized declarations about what the nature of "god" definitely is, typically centering around either gnostic dualism or the "god is everything/all of us" variety, and insist all the other equally baseless speculation that doesn't line up with theirs is just people that "just don't understand the Truth"?
>>15750913 I totally forget what happens man, but when it happens it's like "oh yeah now I remember" It's a good movie though, my favourite. Can't wait for the part where they get the powers, so crazy.
I watched that episode of southpark last night, you know that one where reality is just a big show that other higher dimensional beings watch, Funny thing is I have had dmt trips that have pretty much showed me exactly that, but who knows.
>>15750554 I said nothing about schizo in the post you're replying to. And as for autism, the only other time I used it was for exactly same post which was basically telling the person to learn what the word means.
Perhaps God is in the 4th dimension or a higher one. They say that a 2nd Dimension being wouldnt be able to fully see a 3rd dimension being (us). Since we are in the 3rd dimension we can look down into the 2nd and 1st but cannot look up into the 4th or any dimensions higher than our own.
>>15755460 I say the Bible is fiction and not the inspired word of any god. Can you offer any demonstrable evidence beyond your claim (as in, more than just you reciting "it's the word of God",) showing that you're position has more merit than mine?
>>15755471 Of course. The bible is the only book of prophecy on the planet, and if you were not so lazy, you would study bible prophecy either to understand what is going on in the world, or in a vain attempt to disprove the bible.
Why would God create an almost ever expanding universe full of wonder, and only allow us to observe it? It seems rather rude. Hell, he also gave us humans and absurdly short life span to explore our own world wonders. Maybe God, if there is one, was experimenting with some chemistry and bada bing bada Big Boom we came to be as a random anomaly of atomic reactions.
>>15755504 So no. You just made the claim without showing any evidence. That means that you have nothing but your unsupported claim. Therefor my claim that the Bible is just fiction remains equally valid to your unsupported claim that it is the wrod of God.
To assume GOD (not a demiurge, or an anthropomorfic creator as in the Bible), as a driving force of creation and destruction suffers from feelings such as happiness, loneliness and anger is to assume It's nature is like ours.
Our feelings make us flawed, therefore, if God feels, It is not perfect.
The Torah is considered the infallible work of God. That term has crossed over from Judaism to Christianity.
The Bible is a book held canonical by most denominations as the only book one needs to learn about the religion.
The bible as we know it is a collection of texts from many different sources considered 'what we need to know'. Multiple authors of the books of the bible wrote other writing as well that are not included in the Bible.
>>15754267 This, and the triune One is also the Craftsman of craftsmen, rejoicing in a thing well-made. >>15750714 "...'It's all in Plato! My goodness, what ARE they teaching in those schools these days', said Professor Kirke." >>15754290 Chinks and chasms, anon, chinks and chasms.
>>15755597 The number of religions and cults and tribes that included human sacrifice. That idea was planted there by a creator. A creator who gets His jollies from being acknowledged, and praised, and feared.
>>15755594 "I don't know if it (human activity) is the only cause, but mostly, in great part, it is man who has slapped nature in the face," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature."
"I think we have exploited nature too much," Francis said, citing deforestation and monoculture. "Thanks be to God that today there are voices, so many people who are speaking out about it." - Pope Francis on Climate Change
Just google "pope slapped nature in the face" You'll get a lot of hits. Here is one to prove your venture will be worth it,
>>15755550 I believe that the consciousness, self, ego, whatever you want to call it, is destroyed. Your body gets recycled in one fashion or another back into the general universe and there is no soul that embodies any other part of "you" save only whatever impact your life made in the universe such as what you added, destroyed, the memories you left in others, etc. If there's any spirit, anything of you after death, that's all it is. And some whispered inference in the back of a slowly forming proto-gestalt isn't bad, as things go, but I believe that's the most we can realistically hope for.
>>15750067 he short answer to the question “why did God create us?” is “for His pleasure.” Revelation 4:11 says, “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.” Colossians 1:16 reiterates the point: “All things were created by him and for him.” Being created for God’s pleasure does not mean humanity was made to entertain God or provide Him with amusement. God is a creative Being, and it gives Him pleasure to create. God is a personal Being, and it gives Him pleasure to have other beings He can have a genuine relationship with.
Being made in the image and likeness of God (Genesis 1:27), human beings have the ability to know God and therefore love Him, worship Him, serve Him, and fellowship with Him. God did not create human beings because He needed them. As God, He needs nothing. In all eternity past, He felt no loneliness, so He was not looking for a “friend.” He loves us, but this is not the same as needing us. If we had never existed, God would still be God—the unchanging One (Malachi 3:6). The I AM (Exodus 3:14) was never dissatisfied with His own eternal existence. When He made the universe, He did what pleased Himself, and since God is perfect, His action was perfect. “It was very good” (Genesis 1:31).
>>15758338 Recognizing the complete sovereignty and holiness of God, we are amazed that He would take man and crown him “with glory and honor” (Psalm 8:5) and that He would condescend to call us “friends” (John 15:14-15). Why did God create us? God created us for His pleasure and so that we, as His creation, would have the pleasure of knowing Him.
>>15758338 cosmic pets? oh no we have seperation anxiety, weve done tore up the house while he was out, we really never thought he'd be back. whoa we need to work on our puppy eyes and try to fix up what we can.
>>15758399 >30% of the Bible is fulfilled prophecy
What you seem to have glossed over is that the prophecies were very local to the areas, very trivial things, and somewhat cryptic to the readers of today. The majority of them (barring Revelations) are just about town leadership / trades / conquests.They are vague enough that people extrapolate it to modern prophecy, but in the time period, were obvious to those living day to day life.
>>15758442 483 years to the day following the proclamation to rebuild the Temple, the Messiah was cut off, as prophesied by Daniel @ 600 BC.
Jesus fulfilled about 350 messianic prophesies, and is in the process of fulfilling all of them when they are ripe.
That evidence is very relevant to your interests.
Also note that the dry bones prophecy was begun on May 14, 1948, and is continuing. There are also certain wars against Israel prophesied, notably Psalms 83, Isaiah 17, and Ezekiel 38. Those wars are heating up now, and they are "end times" events.
Other "end time" events prophesied in the bible is the going to and fro over the entire world; the knowledge of men growing exponentially; the presence of scoffers who say Jesus is never coming back; the proliferation of false messiahs; and the steady increase in number and intensity of earthquakes in divers places, floods, famines, droughts, etc.
Daniel and Revelation overlap somewhat, and of course Jesus fleshed out some of that in the Olivet Discourse.
So, no, not local, not close in time, and not irrelevant to your interests. And also proof that the author knew the end from the beginning, something only God can do.
>>15758502 As the Anon I responded to, not me. I find Him wondrous in ways that defy description. I suspect Anon, if he were God, would have created a sterile, mechanical universe where nothing could have gone wrong.
>>15758599 welp being so smart you should direct your baby rape and killing to benifit the worlds, so move to a dependant area of the world that is overpopulated and has low quality of life. noone will notice the rape as much because life is wretched, and the death of unwanted babies will help relive the population problem some.
>>15755655 the tendrils of rising coherance says hi buddy, maybe one day there will be arms to reach out, not just echo's in the wind. let us embrace humanitys potential to drive a conseousness out of the void by tooth and nail, but mostly by accident. should humanity even make it to expand on technology and better questions and answers.
>>15750067 He created us to toy with us. He gave us free will, but limited it. He gives us rules that make our live's boring and depressing. He gives us life and the ability to live it, but if we do he curses us to be tortured for all eternity. In short: god was the original sadistic Psychopath.
LOL, typical of a human mind to want to bring back the dead. We die for very good reasons, the day humans start to try and bring back the dead is the day we should just all neck ourselves on a global scale.
Also they already know the song of the universe and math, they just use it to control you.
To answer your question, I have not discarded it. I have researched the bible as well as many other sources and I find that I am no closer to the divine than when I started. I do feel that it has opened my mind to a higher power, but whether I can say with certainty that God sits atop mount Olympus, or chose Jews as his people, or demands the ritual sacrifice of human beings is a different story.
>>15758961 You have a will, not a free will. Hell is not a literal place of never ending physical torment. Its an abstract concept given form only for people to relate to in a tangible way. Hell is simply absence from God who is eternal love and life.
>>15750067 gods intentions are hard to understand until you get ancient near eastern mythology in general pretty well.
basically, before god existed, there was tehom...the abyss, the void. Sumerian tiamat; the bythos of the ironically named gnostics. the "waters" god hovered over in genesis.
tehom is a sloshing, ever-changing void of random chaos. out of this void emanated various beings...gods if you will. because of the chaotic nature of tehom, though, the "gods" feared for their existence.
so then comes along billy badass fucking YHWH. niggas so hard they call him "lord of hosts" cause he's got so many niggas in his crew. many of the ur-gods pledge allegiance to yhwh because he's promised to subdue tehom and secure their existence.
so how does yhwh subdue tehom? he traps her, first with a firmament that divides "the waters" above from the "waters" below (he ripped the bitch in half). then he dumps dirt on her ass to make the mud of dry land.
to completely bind this bad bitch up, yhwh makes a most devious weapon - a self replicating being made out of mud (that is, made out of "water" that's trapped in matter).
tl;Dr no, god wasn't lonely. god created you as a weapon/prison against a cosmic horror that had beings more powerful than you could imagine scared for their lives...
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