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1st for muk

>>30871600

still going

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>>30874883
B L A S T R O D O N

4th for physical koko

>>30874883
Bracket:
http://challonge.com/en/vgc17sanjoseregs

>>30874919
use your own thread m8

>>30874942
>make a thread that just attracts autists from reddit who don't even battle, let alone have an interest in vgc
no

>>30874939
Why don't they run losers bracket

>>30874973
It's called Swiss and was yesterday

SKILL
K
I
L
L

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>these games

>>30874973
They are losers anon

Why is he playing as the girl :^)

predicted

thank you princess

JUST FREEZE MY SHIT UP

DELETE FREEZE

Time to ban Ice Beam guys

>that hacked porygon

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>frozen again

Its cold, isn't?

THANK YOU DUCK OF FREEZING

Baby it's cold outside

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>frozen again

Merry Christmas Muk!

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>frozen

we did it reddit!!!!

What killed the Dinosaurs?

The Porygon 2!

is defiant braviary illegal?

>>30875358
Yes.

>>30875346
>he doesn't know what killed the dinos
amerifat

you have been visited by
ICE-COLD TRICK ROOM DUCK
ice beam freezes and speed control will come to you, but only if you post
"thank you cyber duck"
in this thread"

>>30875385
thank you cyber duck

>>30875358
Sorry, I meant "Yes it's legal".
Misread your post.

20% of unfreezing is bullshit.

>>30875385
thank you cyber duck

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>>30875385

>>30875385
thank you cyber duck

Man these commentators sure are good at narrating exactly what we see on the screens.

>>30875385
thank you cyber duck

>>30875411
How often do you unfreeze from a block of ice?

can someone post the image of the past few winning teams?

>>30875427
newfag

>>30875456
literally in the OP

Reminder that Poekmon is a game of skill.

>>30875508
I know you're trying to be ironic, but no one has actually said that

>>30875541
Pokemon is a game of skill.

dat damage

>>30875508
>>30875541
l u c k m a n a g e m e n t

>>30875561
good irony

does it really involve skill?

>>30875650
Depends on whether or not you consider prediction/decision making a skill.

>>30875678
those are literally forms of mental skill

What pokeball is Marowak in?

>>30875650
pokemon is a game of both skill and chance

>>30875650
You have to build a good team, read your opponent and make good decisions, so yes. Just copying a top tier team doesn't make you automatically win 80% of your matches.

>>30875697
Then that means you consider Pokemon a game a skill.

>>30875715
why would it matter?

>>30875738
Newfag

>>30875738
Because it looks cool but I couldn't recognize it.

>>30875715
what did it look like?

>>30875411
Could be worse.
Gen 2 was only 10%.

Gen 1 had a ZERO percent chance of unfreezing - your opponent had to use a Fire move on you, or a frozen mon is as good as dead. And Blizzard was 90% acc, with a 30% Freeze rate in the Japanese Red/Green.

>>30875774
It had black effects but I don't think it was dusk.

>>30875787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzabFCJtbs

>>30875807
Seems to have been Heavy. Nice.

what are they writing in their notepads?

opponent items, natures, ev spreads, moves, etc as they learn them?

>>30876050
Which Pokémon you saw at team preview
Which Pokémon you've seen that they're brought this game
What moves each thing has
What ability each thing has
What item each thing has

Maybe things like a Pokémon out/underspeeding something it shouldn't.

DIfferent people do it differently, but I definitely find writing down the six Pokémon at team preview very helpful.

>>30876050
not evs or natures, but yeah, items and moves, turns of trick room, etc. The game does record some things for you now at least, but writing it down can be faster

>no legend OR ub teams

madmen

90 ACCURACY

>No Tapus and UBs

the match right now is actually interesting

>>30876176
I really like seeing Drampa being used, interested in the rest of its moveset

>>30876215
it's probably draco meteor / hyper voice / energy ball / protect or a fire move

komala a cute

why this riri kep using trick room when hes still not even going first

>1hp

crit
burn

those were actually clever volt switches and drampa switching out to reset SpeAtk. and really has a good coverage movepool.

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Fuck yea Drampa!

>>30876630
who is using drampa i just tuned in? TR team?

ded format

> watching a cockfest between hackers

>>30876663
verlis pls

>>30876654
Gavin Michael's team, It was indeed a TR team, Draco Meteor, Energy Ball, Protect, didnt get to see the 4th move, Life Orbed with Cloud Nine

>>30876663
we're not watching a breeding tournament, so who gives a shit

Go Aaron!

>Cyberchong on featured match

Haha time to lose :'^)

>>30876716
who did he kill to make it into top 8?

>>30876749
His opponent.

>>30876663
while as much as possible i don't want to inject, or hack in my mons, this is VGC.

This is not watching people running in circles or watching underage use software to get lelz insta 6 iv maymay

go fuck yourself.

Wtf. Double water lead vs Koko. Thats fucking brave.

>>30876757
Man these pokemon battles must be fucking intense

>>30876778
kek

>>30876778
Top Kek was just 2slow

>>30876778
who cares

golduck outspeeds ohko's it and pelipper usually has a sash

>>30876778
he actually outsped and knocked out Tapu Koko with a water z-move.

>1HP
fucking muk

>>30876790
>>30876792
Showed me wrong. Goddamn

>>30876778
double duck only struggles against sash or REALLY bulky Tblot users or gastrodon

hahaaron

Should've carried bullet punch.

>>30876838
Choked.

>>30876847
well to be honest he was a damage roll away from winning g1 very easily.
Anyway I'd be really mad if I saw something as stupid as doube duck win a tournament.

lets go mitchell

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REMINDER THAT THIS TEAM IS ON #1 SHOWDOWN'S VGC LADDER

reminder that pelicans are not ducks

Reminder that all birds are ducks if you're brave enough

>>30876880
what does vanilluxe have over ninetales?

>>30876880
>implying that's the only set that player uses

>>30876880
>showdown

literally irrelevant

More like Tapu Choko lmao

this girl commentary is so biased to aaron

>>30876899
more sp.atk

slap a scarf and there you go, free damage while your opponent takes a turn wondering what the fuck is up with your team

then g2 comes and you get utterly wrecked

>>30876926
newfag

>>30876899
More Sp Atk and Explosion

tapu lel

>>30876963
newfag

Aaron is getting outplayed.

>>30877006
newfag

>>30877006
Newfag

>"Here's how Cybertron can still win"

Aaron is trash.

>the city of cybertron

>>30876880
you can get almost anything to #1 on showdown

Aaron whats going on man..

aaron got destroyed by trick room

will cyberchink ever stop getting exposed on stream?

RIP Aaron.

Those were actually fast games if you think about it.

CYBERKEK
B T F O
T
F
O

Truly this must be a Trick Room meta

>smogon

ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

reminder that this was their best player, and he got blown out by a gimmick team

>he couldn't even make the finals of a regional

That chink sure likes to lose on stream. Is it a 3-0 in this format now?

Any mimikyus in top8?

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>wake up
>aaron lost

What the fuck

Cheering for Enosh.
Dont know why though

>>30877220
Minimize Muk dude runs a Z-Curse Mimikyu

>>30877201
literally he can't win without cheating.

thats why he loses on stream, he realizes he can't cheat when everyone's watching. his best pokemon are probably in the wrong balls so he can't use them

>>30877248
Aaron loses a lot.
His YouTube channel is popular just as much because he's one of the few VGC players who can talk to a camera without dribbling as because he's actually quite good.

>>30877264
So basically, don't run trick room on Mimikyu and either use it as a status mon or a set up sweeeper

>>30877262
Undefeated so far, and a cool team.

>>30877262
Cuz he's an Araquanid bro

>>30877295
Ive been following him since his 3rd place run at worlds, and hes been fucking up ever since

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>>30877264
>Minimize muk
>z-curse mimikyu
>fissure gastrodon
holy shit

>>30877262
good goy :^)

RIP Aaron

OUT
FUCKING
PLAYED

>>30877353
THAT SWITCH

>>30877329
This. Aaron while a legitimately good player trips at the finish line more often than not.

He's so popular mostly because he was among the first if not the first to fill in the VGC Youtuber niche that until that point had been untouched.

He's also arguably the most successful VGC player in IRL terms too. Kid is not even 20 and is more successful than 90% of the people in this thread.

Enoch ShaCHOKE

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJUST

Also, why is everybody running Figy? I know it's buffed, but is Figy the right one for that Nature, or what? Im asking because EVERYTHING is running Figy, and I dont think everything Ive seen was using the same nature

What a dumb match

>>30877402
>recovers literally all your hp back for free
>why do they run it

huh

>>30877402
I'm sure the other berries with the same effect would do exactly the same job, so I can't tell.

>>30877382
What do you actually know about how successful any other vgc player is?

>>30877402
I've seen one person use Black Sludge

>>30877402
Works for everything that's not -Atk I think

that's what she said

>>30877382
>more successful than 90% of the people in this thread

More like 99.9%, I doubt even 50% of people here have ever been to a tournament let alone made it to top cut multiple times

>>30877443
Ahhhh, I thought it was "if it doesnt prefer that flavour gets confused"

>>30877438
Nigger please, work on your reading comprehension

>>30877460
I think he meant in life, not just VGC

>>30877402
If I recall Aguav is for Careful while figy is for adamant.

If you run gluttony the pinch heal berries are godlike.

If you run power of alchemy I guess sitrus or black sludge is better.

How does their game not lag. I have a new 3ds and my game lags during ANY double battle, let alone one with rain and terrain.

>>30877382
Pro players choking happens in any e-sports or competitive games.

Hell, it happens even in sports. You win some, you lose some. But yeah, that doesn't mean he's actually shit.

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How did Gustavo choke this hard??

Okay, Enoch was able to actually turn things around.

>>30877567
min roll let that porygon2 live and fucked him over

Is anyone else going really fucking gay over the judge on the left? I know I am. He looks so happy. Id cuddle with him nonstop.

Has tapu fini been used?

Only tapu i haven't caught yet cause i have no idea how i'm gonna use her and nature and shit

>>30877567

commentator's are dumb. He was never in an advantageous position the entire game. "Outpredicting" your opponent literally means nothing if it doesn't give you a huge advantage.

>>30877631
Dude lost a Z-move and hit his Porygon-2 for free damage early on due to being outpredicted. That's an advantage even if slight.

Who is /ourguy/?

>>30877625
Enosh is running her with SubCM, Muddy Water and Moonblast, so probably a defensive nature.

>>30877693
Meme Man

>people are still using the subseed celesteela set even though it keeps getting exposed as a shitty gimmick

>>30877618
doesn't look too happy to me

>>30877693
the minimizer

>>30877693
Minimize Muk man

>>30877722
Wait until the match is over, he will talk to the pros and smile and warm my heart

this is the weirdest crush ever

>that discharge

jesus gustavo get your shit together

Just wondering, why do people prefer eviolite Porygon2 over other Pokemon that can run eviolite like Chansey?

>>30877776
off by one

>>30877798
Download + okay special attack, and Trick Room support..

>>30877798
recover, Z conversion, adaptability

>>30877798
because chansey doesn't do shit

>>30877798

it sets up trick room

>>30877798
Chansey has ZERO offensive pressure and even with eviolite boost has less physical bulk than Porygon2.

>>30877798
porygon2 can do decent damage with 95 sp.a and amazing coverage, especially if download gets a sp.a boost
it also has very good mixed defenses, whereas something like chansey will die to any physical attacker even if it is more specially bulky
chansey doesn't get trick room

>>30877835
Never post in this thread again

Wait, is that Ray?

He looks presentable. What the hell happened?

>>30877835
>Z conversion
>eviolite porygon2

>>30877798
>machop used karate chop!

>>30877835
learn to read

hahaha time for minimize

I dont want to see this guy again, its disgusting

>>30877798
Totally different pokes senpai! Porygon 2 has decent coverage,trick room, and recover. Chansey is balls in vgc.

>>30877835
>eviolite
>Z-conversion

stop this shit vers. Anyways you'd have to be a fucking retard to run Z-conversion PG2, PGZ is just objectively better at that set. You don't see it though because the Ghost conversion set is singles oriented and not that great in doubles and the electric/ice conversions tend to stack weaknesses.

M I N I M I Z E
I
N
I
M
I
Z
E

I want the Mimikyu Curse guy cum inside and make me feel my entrails wet

>that zydoge plush
cute

Anyone else liking that garcucks have been BTFO and all of the people with the best records don't use one?

Enosh has such a based team.

is he wearing a z ring

>>30877835
verlis please leave

Oh boy, time for minimize

>>30877949
yes, and a mega ring to boot

Our guy "Fissure Minimize Z-Curse" Gary.

>>30877964
is he a manchild

I want to pet Zydog!

>>30877965
Is gary the guy with fissure gastrodon as well?

>>30877835
>Adaptability

>>30877995
yes

>>30877965
Definitely a man that likes to gamble his way to the top.

how have they not banned gary yet, he's obviously a battle tree ai and not a human

So what was jobbertron carrying today?

PARA
A
R
A

>>30878060
Because they keep missing whenever they try to catch him.

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>>30878060

CRIT
R
I
T

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>Love Ball Goodra

Go team Gooshooter!

Why do Americans pronounce Z as see instead of zet like normal people?

What the fuck?

Where are the healthy meta tapus?

>>30878192
Shut the fuck up limey its zee not zed.

>meta so healthy that players bring the same judge

>>30878195
Inside the healthy meta muk

>>30878195
Not as good in VGC as they are in singles. Still really popular though.

shiny a-muk looks great

>>30878192

do you pronounce B as bed? C as said? D as dead? E as ed? G as Jed? P as ped? T as ted? V as ved?

No?

Then why pronounce Z as zed??

I'm liking these physical Goodras, fucking people up

Man these damage rolls

>confused why goodra is switching out of taking a physical attack
>"especially if it has an assault vest that shouldn't be a concern"
kill me

>Fissure misses
>Destroyed by Power Whip
Meme guy's memes are not paying off.

>female goodra

>>30878262
By your logic all words should be pronounced the same way too no matter how they are written. Leave it to Americans and their retarded analogies to justify their own retardedness.

>>30878195
>Assault Vest Love Ball Wrong Gender Goodra
Now I'm rooting for Gary

it looks like the chin chong has a cannon on his back

is the meme dream dead?

>>30878305
No that's a judge

>>30878303
Didn't mean to quote

>>30878305
Someone please take a screenshot.

>>30878303
You cant root for him if you dont see it

>>30878303
poke balls don't necessarily have to match the pokemon's color you know, it may represent something else. Goodra is fine in her love ball.

>clapping over a spdef drop
Americans.

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>>30878350

>>30878367
Slugfucker detected.

>>30878386
Thank you

>gary trying to win with a lone arcanine

>>30878386
thanks
angery

>>30878241
Stop posting.

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WHY IS GLOBAL LINK STILL NOT SHOWING USAGE STATS

Is there any reason the meta turned out to be as stally as it is now?

>>30878398
Never fucked a slug, but goodra IS kinda qt senpai

>>30878446
Just due to selection of pokemon available.

>>30878367
I agree here, I love timer ball effect on lele, the pink and black once lele comes out complements it greatly.

>>30878446
Because 90% of Alolamons and 90% of the old mons on the Aloladex are shitmons.

Restriction breeds creativity :^)

>>30878446
c e l e s t e e l a

>>30878446

all the broken pokemon are banned. this is what happens when players are forced to use normal pokemon like muk and not rayquaza

>He didn't use Minimize on a practically free turn

>>30878518
Well meme'd

OH MY GOD ITS A GIANT ROCK.

How did (flex)(sun) run his Mimikyu? He ran life orb cloud nine Drampa I know that.

>MINIMEME FAILED

Yes! Yes! Yes!

STONE HIT

>minimize
lol

>stone miss hitting

>>30878591
It's true irony

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why don't we have vgc commentators like pic related?

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>>30878377
>that announcer who keeps clapping

>>30878591
It's because he minimized.
It would never had hit in normal circumstances.

>Stone Miss never misses

Gigalith wrecking shit today

Both of them have slutty trainer models.

I don't get this minimize meme.

Wouldn't Z-moves hit it no problem?

>f i s s u r e

>Fissure misses
>orgasm sounds
I got a hard on with that

>Land stone miss through minimize and all other times
>FRZ

FREEEEZEE

Love you Freeze hax!

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>"""competitive""" pokemon

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>ice beam freeze

>Freeze

rip in piece meme man

you have been visited by the
ICE-COLD TRICK ROOM DUCK
speed control and ice beam freezes will come to you, but only if you post
"thank you cyber duck"
in this thread

>use fissure
>get frozen

kek

Stone miss hits a minimize user...

This is focus band Tauros level bullshit and I love it!

>Banks on RNG strategies
>Gets rekt by the RNG at the end
POTTERY

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>Freeze

SAVAGE

this is the hax gods punishing gary for trying to win with minimize and fissure

The dreameme is dead guys

HAX FAGGOT GETS HAXED, THE IRONY.

>>30878713
thank you cyber duck

>>30878713
thank you cyber duck

>>30878713
thank you cyber duck

Good bye meme man, you will be missed

Why is gary mad? Wasn't his whole meme strat based on rng?

Stone hit and freeze...

This is madness, the RNG bitch gets RNGed!

>everyone is chinese or mexican

why sre minorities so good at pokemon? Or is it just a california thing

>>30878713
thank you cyber duck

i guess i'm an #enoshmissile now

>>30878713
thank you cyber duck

>>30878733
Dammit I wish he had something other than fissure and minimize. He probably would've done well with imprison/disable on Muk. It would've been funny to see him win though.

>>30878768
>>>/pol/

>>30878818
>>>/reddit/

>>30878768
California is a liberal shithole. It's not surprising it's full of everything but white people.

>>30878768
>>30878829
>>30878846

But what does this have to do with Pokemon?

>>30878862
Nothing, these 12 year olds are retarded as fuck

>>30878846
They don't call it commiefornia for nothing

>casters talking about Cybertron's curse
kek

>easiest way to beat aaron is get him on stream
RUDE

So which player so far was the cutest?

>>30878929
Aaron

Can someone give me an argument as to why Pokemon is a good competitive game? Honest question. I would want to tear my hair out if I took this game seriously.

>very small set of viable options relative to the amount of options available
>tons of relevant moves carry a chance go to above and beyond their expected effect (or miss) and potentially ruin your opponent because you won a dice roll (or ruin you because you lost one)
>FISSURE IS ALLOWED IN VGC???????????????

>>30878960
>Can someone give me an argument as to why Pokemon is a good competitive game?
Pokemon is a pretty shit comb game. I don't think anyone will half a brain will argue that with you.

>>30878960
it's fun

How does one guy have a regular muk?

>>30878960

It isn't one.

I like that Enosh dressed in a suit so he looks nice when he wins

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>wrong muk on team preview

>golduck

literally what. It's the textbook definition of mediocre pokemon. There's no way it's better than primerina or tapu lele

>>30879005
Pokemon players are really fucking shit at /fa/. The big majority looks like if their mom still dressed them.

>>30879016
Golduck has Swift Swim and is arguably the best one available.

Primarina and Fini have completely different roles.

>>30878929

But what does this have to do with Pokemon?

>>30878960
It's not good but it's fun.
It could be better if GF actually took input from players/people that know their shit though.

>Mitchell is challenged by Office Worker Enosh!

>>30879056
geg'd

>>30879025
>That judge face
I wonder what goes through their heads. Why are they always +40 year old looking guys too?

>>30878960
It's a fun competitive game.

Problem is when retards try to apply "e-sports" standards, which are cancer and only exist to ruin games. Any game trying hard to fit into the "e-sport" mold ALWAYS turns out to be shit.

>>30878960
>Can someone give me an argument as to why Pokemon is a good competitive game?
It isn't. But it not being terribly competitive is one thing that makes it fun, because even the irl tournaments are very friendly, instead of being as full of vitriol like other competitive scenes get.

>captcha: golf powers

How do they capture the footage off their 3DS?

I thought the player used a special 3DS with capture set up, but apparently you bring your own system to the competition? How does that work? The 3DS has no port outside charging and audio out.

>>30879084

But what does this have to do with Pokemon?

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did we had more HEALTHY META screencaps?

while we wait post them

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>when you have to play the top 4 at 6 and a job interview at 8

>>30878719
This is why those teams relying on evasion or OHKO rarely make it this far.

Even if they can get some wins, they will eventually run into bad luck that eliminates them.

>>30879140
Kill yourself.

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>>30879140
I got two yesterday.

>literally over on turn fucking one
ayy

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>>30879173

Good read nerd

rigged

wtf just happened

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>>30879173
>James Baek

>>30879224
>>30879208
>>30879196
My stream froze. What happened?

Were the judges able to pause the game?

>>30879201
>>30879173
>>30879140

what's wrong with people using similar teams? I haven't seen a legit argument other than "hurrrr baddd"

I have yet to see a true mirror match, everyone brings their own flavor even if they use the same pokes.

>>30877618
is this the same judge?
>>30879025

I just got on who used the butterfree and how?

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>>30879140
not from vgc2017, but probably the best I have

>>30879261
MUH VARIETY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW
WHY ARE PEOPLE USING GOOD THINGS INSTEAD OF MY FAVORITE SHITMON BAAAAAAAAAAW

That's about it.

>Had game 1 on the bag
>Forced to restart
Wew lad

>>30879278
One of the top 16 players. I only saw the very end of the match. I think it had tailwind, sleep powder, and bug buzz. I think it was the guy who lost to Enosh.

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>>30879261
It's just a nice meme at this point

is the stream kill?

>>30879462
yep

rippo el strem

>>30879462
it was for a second there, but it's back now.

would you a fini?

Enosh destroys

>the city of mitchell

>>30879498
where my finibros at?

told you niggers that fini was best tapu, told you all that porygon2 would be dominant, told you all that Marowak-A would be a big deal, told you all that Z-move Krook was good.

I thought Araquanid would be too one dimensional and Kartana wouldn't be bulky enough for doubles use but lets forget that

This guy really likes his Pelipper

>>30879551
>>where my finibros at?
I'm FINI here.

wtf i love tapu fini now

Finally some water buge

>>30879551
Right here. Never had any delusions that it's the best, but it definitely has the best design.

where are you guys watching it right now?

>>30879615
twitch / pokemonvgc

>>30879615
Gee, I don't know. Make sure to not read the OP because nothing is said there.

>>30879631
the OP has the wrong link you retard

>>30879615
pokemon.com/live

>>30879639
Says the retard who can't even read the first line of the OP.

>shiny competitive Araquanid

CALL THE DOG FUCKER

>>30879672
emo pineco?

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>stockpile increases attack and special defense

>>30879639
>pokemonvgc on Twitch
>wrong link

>>30879672
it takes like 3 days to breed a competitive shiny mon

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Has anyone used Kommo-o yet?

>>30879721

see >>30876880