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Baited into using a cute picture for the OP. Also fish.


Last thread: >>24953269

Game download pre-patched and ready to go in english (No expansion, won't be translated for 3-8 months):
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ynnmmo4k9noe0cr/%E5%B9%BB%E6%83%B3%E4%BA%BA%E5%BD%A2%E6%BC%94%E8%88%9E.rar

Expansion downloads (Not translated, japanese only): http://pastebin.com/99HRr1Vt

The game requires japanese language packs and your computer to be in japanese locale or emulated via Locale Emulator provided in the download. If you don't do this, numbers will be bugged or the game won't run at all:
https://mega.nz/#!q0lixKqI!n07oANzavBNSgGwWtm5Ezyuf9B0ifT36yi6Vmyi3kjo

Wiki: http://tpdp.supersanctuary.net/wiki/Main_Page

Puppetdex with a bit more utility than the wiki, have to download it and use a spreadsheet viewer:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/ozuu2sf3ovitzux/tpdp_PuppetDex_1.91.xlsx

FAQ, useful links and additional resources: http://pastebin.com/NyBVqHVy
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So should I costume change Rumia to be in her sphere?
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>>24962440
Nah, remove her ribbon.
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>>24962487
>removing a touhou's hat
You monster.
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>>24962549
You don't know the legends about Rumia's ribbon? canonically she cannot touch it, why? why secret holds?
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>>24962593
Supposedly it's actually not even a ribbon but an ofuda but I don't know if this notion even comes from any canon source.
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>>24962487
RumiaE should've had her own sprite
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How do you build stall in this ignoring how terrible it would be
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>>24962742

I think LunaE would be an interesting choice. She's got decent defenses and what's basically Parting Shot and Regenerator.
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>>24962742
The same way you build stall in Pokemon: Take 6 walls, never run attack moves outside of Smash Spin (unless you're trying to use them to spread Status), try to cram a magic bounce thing in if possible, probably run OrangeD as a 1-stop Special Attack wall, run entry hazards, that sort of thing. Expect a lot of time refining and changing things since you're doing something that no one else is doing on account of it being a stupid as fuck idea. You'll probably get some wins just on account of people choosing to quit rather than play against your team, but you're really trying to do something the game is designed to not let you do.

But don't do any of that and run bulky offense instead. Please, do it for the waifus.
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>>24962789

I want to run Sneaky Steel. Not in the 6v3 battles, but 6v6 stuff. I say this partially because 6v3 meta is extremely harsh for my favorites.
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>>24962423
How do you feel about this?
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>>24962859
what exactly am I looking at?
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>>24962863
Amount of fanart of each Touhou.
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>>24962859

All is as it should be, Remi is doing her best.
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>>24962859
Like it would be nice to organize this by rank.
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>>24962859
Fanart ain't mean shit if it's garbage.
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Doing Kasen's quest didn't take nearly as long as I thought it would. Now it's time to reincarnate and S-rank my entire first team. What are the best emblems to have for each puppet?
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>>24963024

FlanS: Green
SeijaD: Whatever you feel like you want to help specialize her more into doing, there are plenty of choices, white would be the most obvious choice to push her into being a spread wall.
KoishiA: Green
NueP: Black
SukunaD: Red of course
SuikaP: Green
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That reminds me, here's the new Earth move. Pretty much the same as the other 120 BP 85 Accuracy spread stuff.
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So how would these hold up against actual Pokemon
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>>24962904
Enjoy.
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>>24963087

I have no doubt that most of these would be UU at the worst.
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>>24963094

>All of my favorites are in meme tier

I have conflicting feelings about this.
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>>24963103
Well at least you don't have a Prismriver as your favorite.
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>>24963087
There is nothing Uber-tier (aside of couple of things probably) but most stuff is better than your average UU or even OU mon.
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>>24963087
Pic related.
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>>24963137
What's balanced about beating up BST 770 monsters
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>>24963141
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>>24963141

People were talking about Scarf Golduck beating a couple. Golduck is still a shitmon. These puppets aren't horrible, but they're balanced in some sort of way. Generally.
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>>24963047
Thanks anon
>>24963024
137 Magic Stones got me my perfect Flan and a nearly perfect Seija and Sukuna only lacking in Focus Attack. You guys really weren't exaggerating when you said you'd need a lot.
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>>24963208
Flan is pretty bad though.
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>>24963219

People shouldn't just run AyaP.
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>>24963219
I don't care. I'm using who I want at their best.
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>>24963240
attaboy
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>>24963047

Speaking of emblems, I think I really screwed myself with this EV spread.
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>>24963141
SukunaD only beats Primal Groudon in very limited circumstances and loses period if Groudon runs Swords Dance, enough bulk to survive 2 Shooting Presses, or a special attack. A scarfed Sukuna would be more reliable at killing him but still wouldn't be a safe pick by any means. By Smogon standards she would be a shaky check at best. That still says a lot considering Primal Groudon is the strongest thing in Ubers, but even so it's not remotely a fair comparison.

Primal Kyogre loses to Waggyswaggy because he's weak to Nature while she has double resistance against water, not much else to say about that.

Just for fun though: WakasagiE vs Primal Groudon
(note that EVs are treated in the original game's style: max of 252 for Pokemon with 1 stat point for every 4 EVs, max of 64 for TPDP with 1 stat point for every 1 EV)
Taking the Rock Polish set from Smogon as a basis

(assuming Primal Groudon's Rock Polish set on Smogon)
252+ Atk Primal Groudon Stone Edge vs. 64HP / 0 Def WakasagiE: 205-242 (46.1 - 54.5%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO

64+ SpA WakasagiE Energy Absorb vs. 104 HP / 96 SpD Primal Groudon: 144-171 (39.2 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

That's with no item on Waggyswaggy though.

64+ SpA Life Orb WakasagiE Energy Absorb vs. 104 HP / 96 SpD Primal Groudon: 187-222 (50.9 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Well, she can't set up Genbu on Primal Groudon, but she still beats him even through harsh sunlight.
But on the other hand, if it was the MIXED Rock Polish set:
252+ SpA Primal Groudon Fire Blast vs. 64 HP / 0 SpD WakasagiE in Harsh Sunshine: 441-519 (99.3 - 116.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO.

If Primal Groudon is running a fire type move, he wins unless Genbu is up (and if it's Fire Blast he wins anyways), otherwise Waggyswaggy wins.

...I honestly did this with all expectation of Primal Groudon just crushing the fish; the fact that he basically loses unless he's running a Fire type move was completely unexpected.

The fishy is terrifying, isn't it.
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>>24963284
Do SukunaD vs Primal Kyogre

I want to see the damn stall-killing midget die horribly
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>>24963303
Kyogre used anything, little dwarflet dies, the end.
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>>24963303
Fine, you horrible incorrect soulless jerk

Physical Attacker P-Kyogre v SukunaD

252+ ATK Primal Kyogre Waterfall vs 0 / 64 Def SukunaD in Heavy Rain: 284 - 336 (97.5% - 115.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

64+ Good Ring SukunaD Shooting Press v 248 HP / 0 Def Primal Kyogre: 327-385 (81.1 - 95.5%)

Even PHYSICAL Kyogre rips SukunaD to pieces, the end.

Pic related, her after hearing how rude you are to her
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>>24963382
How am I incorrect
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>>24963417
By making cute puppets fight opponents they have no chance against.
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>>24963442
Some people are into that.
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>>24963417
The part wherein she's dumb and the part that she's killing stall
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>>24963465
Well if she isn't killing stall, what is then
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>>24963473
The design of the game, because Hemo appears to have a significant dislike of stall teams.

For very good reason.
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>>24963442
Puppets cannot be damage by anything but other puppets (that is why Reimu can't just exterminate them), pokemons doesn't stand a chance.
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>>24963506

I'm hoping there's more to the game than hit things until they die. I want status, hazards, mind games, set up sweeping.
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>>24963563
Those are all present though; status is entirely viable, the expansion is going to make hazards more viable now that spin-blocking will be a thing with Warp types, there will always be mind games, and set-up sweeping is definitely doable (EllyP says hello)
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>>24963579

Elly seems like the only thing that's actually popular at the set-up sweep thing. It just seems like almost everything else is based on how fast and hard it hits off the bat.
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>>24963284
You know Raiko Anon, is pretty funny how you analyse in deep pokemons vs puppets when the laters are immune to the formers attacks.
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Does anyone has a map for the Remains of Blazing Hell ?
I am lost
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>>24963910
Ask this cat for directions.
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>>24963945
Except for when you don't.
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>>24963953
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Has anyone been able to figure out what this does?
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Translated some of the webpages over at GensouS.

>>24959671
>>24960025
>>24960269
>>24960868


>>24963085
>>24961142
>大地の宴
("Banquet of the Earth")/("Feast of the Earth")
>1割の 確率で 相手の 命中を 下げる。
("10% chance to lower the opponent's Accuracy.")

KanakoD's designated Earth-skill is already Shooting Press; not worth replacing Shooting Press w/ Feast of the Earth since KanakoD's base Fo. Atk stat is about 15 points higher than her base Sp. Atk stat and Shooting Press is more reliable on hitting the opponent.

>>24961497
>>24964056
>直感
("Intuition")
>優先度か高いスキルを無効化する。
("Immune to high priority skills.")
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>>24964056

This makes me wish that online translations weren't so crappy. All I can get is that it's called Intuition. Stupid translation gives me stuff about high skills, which may be high damage skills, and Rhinos?
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>>24963910
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9v42auqviexai64/tpdpmaps.rar
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>>24964102
>("Immune to high priority skills.")

Huh, wonder if that would stop defensive priority skills like protect.

Potential counter to HecatiaE?
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>>24964116
>Huh, wonder if that would stop defensive priority skills like protect.
That's not really how immunity works, so I doubt it.
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>>24964135

Depends on whether immunity is the right word for it, could be lost in translation, but you're probably right.

It could potentially be "Negates the effect of priority" which would likely stop protect but I'll just have to assume it doesn't until proven otherwise.
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>>24964102
>("Immune to high priority skills.")
Interesting

MikoE, NueE, and AyaE get it.

MikoE in particular would appreciate it, being a glass cannon and all
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>>24964135
>>24964148
「Mukō」 could also be translated into "disabled" or "invalid." Sorry for the confusion, anons.
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>>24964102

>not worth replacing Shooting Press w/ Feast of the Earth since KanakoD's base Fo. Atk stat is about 15 points higher than her base Sp. Atk stat and Shooting Press is more reliable on hitting the opponent.

I don't think it's a terrible idea to make her go special instead of physical, but maybe that's just me. You give up Wind STAB, but that new skill hits harder than Shooting Press when invested and you get Inferno and a choice of a reliable nature move in Mist Fog or a water move in Cold Rain. If you really want, I guess you could still use physical wind STAB. It might be stupid though, I'm just interested partially because her physical moves aren't good outside of STAB moves.
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>>24964155

Every bit helps baka-translator-kun. Better than nothin.
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What should you use the Fate Threads on?
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>>24964253
Magan, Sariel, anything else that can run.
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>>24964153
The problem with MikoE is she's not much of a cannon, just really fast and mixed.

If she got a strong boost move it mite b cool though.

Also found a new attack. Anyone know what it does?
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>>24964382

That reminds me, I think it's funny that MikoP got a Sp. Atk boost. I doubt it'll help her since her Fo. Atk is so high, but still.
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>>24964382
>If she got a strong boost move it mite b cool though.

She does get both Swords dance and nasty plot. Boosting with those defenses might prove difficult though. She also gets that ability that boosts the first move used out the gate by 1.2x.

HijiriE has a very similar spread, but instead of boosting moves she gets 120BP recoil moves out the ass alongside recoil offset and the same ability mentioned above.
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>>24964410
It brings her base Sp. Attack to a serviceable 100. It allows her to potentially run one special move for getting around physical walls, and/or Darkness status.

Oddly enough she's the only Miko that didn't get the new move that boosts both attack stats. She got Recover instead.
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>>24964382
>guard mean on a frail sweeper
Okay Hemo.
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>>24964430

Yeah, it's not terrible, I wonder what she'd run though. That said, it's weird that she got stat buffed and not the other puppets with crippling abilities like PYukari and PSuika.
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>Artist-programer favorite
>doesn't appear in the expansion
Bullshit, how clownpiece can be here but not hecatia?
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>>24964539

Probably because she still only had a fairly moderate BST of 570 even with the crippling drawback.

Too bad she still gets matched by other puppets with no drawback even with the "Buff".
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>>24964553
He most likely wants to save some LoLK content for the next game's expansion.
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>>24963094
something's missing...
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>>24964561

That's because her ability is crippling. That said, even before the buff she was already more capable than the other shit ability puppets. She's not great or anything but I'd at least call her usable, even if it's on the lower end of usable.
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>>24964581
>MFW Sumireko is not popular
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>>24964623
her time will come soon
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>>24964623

>Hecatia is at #1 usage
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>>24964674
Hemo may didn't put her in the game as a plot character, but he made sure she was useful.
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>>24964553
>>24964695
I've heard word that she's in the game. Sleep somewhere else with a dream pill or some such. Can't confirm though.
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>>24964718
You can't battle her though.

Literally why
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>>24964724
He couldn't stomach the thought of her losing
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>>24964729

Why didn't he give her a BST of 800 and Infinite Changes then?
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So puppets follow you around in this game. How many NPCs have chosen to let their puppets out?
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>>24964740
Because those are just puppets, silly. The real Hecatia simply chooses to have pity on you.

>>24964743
There are a number of individuals with puppets beside them. Comparable to a pokemon game I guess
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So, where's the best grinding spot? I've beaten a few post-game fights here and there, but I feel lost.
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I like how Raikoanon discussed how SukunaD would maybe stand a chance against Primal Groudon and how WaggyswaggyE would rip Primal Kyogre apart and also Primal Groudon if it wasn't running a fire move, but not the real important thing.

Dragons would be GODS. Only steel to resist them, absolutely nothing to hit them for SE, more optimized stats... Garchomp and the like would just curbstomp everything
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I guess for Hecatia to not be a clusterfuck you would need to specialize in each one of her forms
Does this mean that there are a total of 9 Hecatias?
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>>24964779

The only dragons that would be truly terrifying are Mega Salamence and broken ass Mega Ray. Everything else would probably be good, but not nearly as horrible to deal with.
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>>24964779
Since Ice falls under Water in Puppets, wouldn't Dragon be weak to Puppet's version of Water?

Also Waggyswaggy is a Water type along with Nature, so I don't see why a fire move would be that much of an issue.
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>>24964830
How the hell would they be less horrible to deal with without faeries or ANY WEAKNESSES AT ALL to worry about
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>>24964848
>>24964779
In fact, would the Fairies gain retroactive immunity to Dragon attacks? If that's the case, Cirno becomes the ultimate dragon killer.
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>>24964849

Because puppets have some crazy ass abilities and moves. They're built to be flawed, but still pretty crazy.
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>>24964849
Because there's already a type in game that has no weaknesses, and is resisted by nothing.

Fucking insecure pokefags I swear.
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>>24964779
Because Hemo would patch them to not be overpowered pretty quickly. Like it used to be that Sound types were resisted by only Wind and Danmaku Orchestra was BP120/100/10 with no drawbacks. Hemo actually patches things for balancing purposes if needed.

>>24964897
Also this. The fact that WakasagiE can stand up to BST 770 ubers in hypothetical theorycrafting yet will go down with ease to RaikoP teching HP Poison should sum it up.

I haven't posted Raiko enough this thread, I think I'm having waifu withdrawal; what should I do
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>>24964972
>what should I do

kill you're self
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>>24964972

Time to go search for new pictures.
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>>24964972
Poor raiko anon, she has very few fanart, just like the other DDC rejects, they must really hate contrarian bitch and tiny girl for being popular.
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>>24964989
Done
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If this was /v/, anons like raikoanon would be shitposted over...
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>>24964992
Nah, Sukuna is fine
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>>24965024

That ain't saying much, /v/ shitposts about anything.

Nothing wrong with dropping some cute pictures alongside good discussion, and the occasional one on its own every once in a while.
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Speaking of good discussion combined with cute pictures, how viable is your waifu?

RaikoP and A are both very viable, and I definitely see a good amount of potential in E.
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>>24965013

I don't think this young lady should be drinking
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>>24965061
Not sure about E yet, but she seems good.
S and P are viable, I don't care what other people say.
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>>24965061

My favorite only has one viable form, and it's not Extra. Even Defense isn't great, it's just okay. Not that it'll stop me. Once I get Sagume and a couple others, I'll plan my team and stomp everyone anyways.
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>>24965061

Not the best, not the worst. Good enough to get the job done and a bit more.

RemiE seems pretty interesting though, looking forward to seeing her full moveset and abilities get translated.
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>>24965061
I haven't even looked at my Waifu's Extra yet but she was fairly competent in original with both forms, being able to be Frail Sweeper and Bulky Hitter with support rather well.
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>>24962859
>>24963094
>has the LoLKhus
>is missing Sumireko
Good job. Not.
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>名前
("Name")
名無し
("No Name")/("Nameless")/("Anonymous")
人形選択時と対戦中 相手に自分の名前を見せません。
("During Puppet Selection and Battles, your name won't be displayed to your opponents.")
リザルト画面では見えるので注意してください。
("Please take note that your name will still appear in the Results Screen.")
*"Results Screen" refers to the Win/Lose screen that appears after battles.

>>24964382
イマジネイ卜
("Imagination Prophecy")/("Imagination Divination")
自分の 集弾と 集防を 入れ 替える.
("The user's Fo. Atk and Fo. Def switches.")
*See "Power Trick"
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>>24965061

A was one of the best Bind Trappers in the entire game and was extremely fast while still hitting fairly hard.

D was a gimmicky Dark-type who was immune to both Fighting and Steel but had way too little health to be viable. She got a huge buff to her HP in the expansion, so hopefully she's better because she's my favorite style.

E doesn't seem good, she's frail, slow, and has 4 common weaknesses even though she gets a nerfed Parental Bond.
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So what post-game stuff is there? Aside from the extra places you can use the map to get to.
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WHAT ARE THESE ASSHOLES DOING ALL THE WAY UP HERE
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Can't think of anything to do with AKoakuma besides running encourage/barrier option/will-o-wisp/squall
worst 2hu?
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>>24965324
Hey, they can't choose where their cart breaks down. They probably don't want to be up there either.
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Adding to my post at http://fgts.jp/vp/thread/24884448/#q24894340.

>ランダムマッチで対戦する (Selected)
("Play in a random match")

ランダムマッチは
「63基本ルール」のみで
利用可能です!
("Random Match is only available in [See 6/Pick 3 Rules]!")
*Only appears if anything but "See 6/Pick 3 Rules" is chosen.
>マッチコードで対戦する (Selected)
("Play by using match code")

>マッチコードを取得して接続待つ (Selected)
("Wait to obtain connection by using a match code")

コード000000で待機中
("Waiting while using the code 000000")
*It appears that match codes aren't randomly generated; the digit on the far right (in the ones place) increases by 1 per tick.
>Aボタンでクリップボードにコピー (Press Z)
("Copy to the clipboard by using the A button [Z key on the keyboard]")
>クリップボードにコピーしました。
("Copied to the clipboard.")
>マッチコードを入力して接続する (Selected)
("Connect by entering match code")

キーボードでコードを入力し
("Enter the code with the keyboard.")
Enterキーを押してください
("Please press the Enter key")
Ctrl+Vでクリップボードから貼り付けできます
("Ctrl+V can paste from the clipboard")
*Note that match codes are always 6 digits long

000000 に
接続しますか?
("Do you want to connect to 000000?")

>はい (Selected)
("Yes")
>いいえ
("No")

From this point on, the game gives you the standard messages for connecting and failing to connect.
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>>24965639
The format of the post got fucked up.
Sorry.
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It's not much, but - we did Science earlier to translate the title screen (since there was less room to work with than in Base), this is what we've come up with.
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>>24964581
>>24965090
I have trouble remembering Touhous who debut outside the main games, sorry. She's just above Hecatia with 498 pics and is considered a newhou.
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>>24965978
Are there multiple save files now or something?
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>>24965978
Honestly, I kinda like it
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>>>/jp/
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>>24966273
>>>/vp/
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>>24965978
Look'n good

>>24966129
what gives you that impression?
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>>24966296
base game only has the one save and just says play game, this one has load game as well. makes one wonder if that means multiple saves.
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>>24966316
Oh, I'm an idiot, that is different. I don't think it means multiple saves, but I'm too tired to think of an alternative. Base game save importing?
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So, what are the best touhou to use?
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>>24966328
Your favorites and if you have too many favorites then the cutest. Just remember to give them the best tools so they can do the best job.
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>>24966316
Play == start new game. In the original you had to move/junk your .sav to do this
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>>24965978
Does "Play Game" start a new game? If so, I would recommend changing it to "New Game" to avoid confusion.
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>>24965324
Not even in touhou you can escape from the stupid roadblocks.
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New patch is out. Changelog:

-Something about a DX library.
-Fixed the bug where puppets could learn multiple Sign skills (Hidden Powers), except it isn't actually fixed.
-Something about some puppeteer's setting being wrong.
-Fixed a bug where Battle Tower music couldn't be used in netplay.
-Something else about netplay music.
-Fixed a bug where the Fairies of Light are at two places at once in endgame, except they still are.
-Power Iku no longer gets Slime Shot.
-Extra Hina no longer gets Voice of Famine.
-Something about Godspeed Air Raid and Stealth Kill not properly bypassing Barrier Option (Substitute).
-Fixed a bug related to Harrassment (new ability that mimics stat changes).
-Fixed a bug where True Administrator's effect applied when it shouldn't have.
-Fixed a bug where Two of a Kind (Parental Bond) didn't work against Barrier Option.
-Vigorous (Early Bird) now properly interacts with Continue (Rest).
-Fixed a bug where Field Shift (new skill that steals screens) wasn't working properly.
-Other misc. map and text fixes.
-Fixed crazy wedding dress Sunny (RIP)
-Amazingly failed to fix pic related.
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>>24967160
>-Fixed crazy wedding dress Sunny (RIP)

She was too good for this world, she had to be brought back down.
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>>24967160
>-Extra Hina no longer gets Voice of Famine.
How unfortunate.
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>>24967187
I was curious how they would handle this in-game. Looks like if you had previously taught the move you can still use it. It's just flagged to let you know it's now illegal for online play.
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>>24967160
>-Extra Hina no longer gets Voice of Famine.
>Extra Hecatia exists
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>Sumireko Extra is Dream Type
>One of her abilities warns her when the opponent has a move that's super effective against her.
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>>24967317
thanks hemo
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>Extra Renko is Shuckle
>Extra Eiki is actually pretty damn good

I'm really tempted to play through this right now. Will I run into any issues? Is it worth playing without a translation patch?
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>>24967433
Oh yeah, so what's Extra Maribel's gimmick?
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>>24967556
I don't know?
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So I got a bit bored and decided to lazily edit the Favourite Puppets sheet for Yume no Kakera.

Portraits for puppets can be found from this link from the OP:
https://mega.nz/#!yBsTyZ6Q!pPDuZ8t1JyfpUwK4rgl9hXrbOOFlS1X-XkDfJy8G_vk
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>>24967788
And for posterity, here's mine.
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>>24967556
She has Poison Labyrinth, which is Arena Trap except only Poison-types can escape. Oh, and she's Poison/Warped with 115 base Speed, so she kills basically all of the things that don't fear Assist Chen and vice-versa. Honestly most broken new thing for 6v6 but kind of moot when we already had the stupid cat.
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>>24967556
>>24967823
oh my god i read maribel as medicine somehow
Extra Maribel does not trap. She has Tinted Lens with STAB on Void and Illusion, and access to powerful STABs in Spirit Rush and Hallucination. Unlike the other Maribels she has actual stats (480 BST with good distribution) but is still illiterate and cannot use most TMs.
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>>24967823
Uh, that's not Extra Maribel. Extra Maribel is Illusion/Void type with 90/120/70/30/80/90 stats.

Her gimmick is not having a gimmick.
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>>24967792
>Overall
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>>24967823
Damn, MedicineE looks pretty scary. That typing and ability are fantastic. Nice spread as well (70/50/80/100/70/115), and she gets calm mind to boot.
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>>24967882
She brings to mind Gothitelle, especially because who the fuck runs poison types ever
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I really need to fill these holes out.
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>>24967823
>>24967828
>>24967882
>>24967936
...Nope.

Not dealing with this. Gothitelle was godawful typewise (Psychic), had a generally bad stat distribution (70/55/95/95/110/65), and still ended up getting Shadow Tag banned from every tier below Ubers. And was the reason why Smogon voted Shadow Tag to be banned FROM Ubers (it got saved on a technicality since it would have banned Mega-Gengar, who they had previously voted to not ban from Ubers).

She's not as bulky on the special end, doesn't get recover (so no easy +6 SpA and SpD), and her trapping doesn't work on poison types, but for revenge-killing she's insane.

She might explain why Japan wasn't anywhere near as terrified of WakasagiE as we were; MedicineE kills the fishy.
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>>24967989
great taste.
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So, it is possible to speedrun this game somehow?
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Don't mind me, just posting the outdated version since I have yet to play the expansion and cannot give my opinion on the new types.
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>>24968067
Yes, absolutely.

http://www.speedrun.com/touhou_puppet_dance_performance
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>>24968050
Bunny Taste.
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test
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>>24968145
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Another thing to be terrified of
Extra Momiji
Steel/Nature
80/95/130/55/115/20
New ability (Iron Barbs from Pokemon) for ability 1, Sixth Sense for ability 2
Learns the game's equivalents to Stealth Rock, Leech Seed, Gyro Ball, and Power Whip

Yeah, it's Ferrothorn, except with less ridiculous resistances, a third weakness, and a little more HP (Ferrothorn was base 74, she's base 80)

Opinions on this?
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>>24968216
Also, it doesn't get Spikes. It gets the game's equivalent to Horn Leech instead for more recovery. And Shooting Press, because Earthquake is good.
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>>24968216
>>24968220

Oh hey, one actual reason to run KanakoE. Still gonna run D though.
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>>24968216
So how many not-Pokemon puppets are there?

There's not-Scizor (SakuyaP) and not-Blissey (OrangeD), there's MomijiE as not-Ferrothorn now, what else?
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>>24968216

About time one of my favorites gets some love, definitely interested in giving that a shot if it ends up fitting with the rest of my team once the translation gets here.
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>>24968251
SuikaP is Not-Slaking, RenkoE is Not-Shuckle, MikoP is Not-Archeops, AkyuuA is Not-Shedinja
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>>24968251
OrangeA is not-Malamar, and I'm more than certain there's a not-Chandelure in there somewhere but I can't remember which mon.
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>>24968251
On top of those mentioned, YukariP is not-Regigigas, and RaikoA is not-RotomA (except she learns Decresendo)

Also of note: PWriggle had her second ability change from Vanishing Act to Telescopic. She learns Bewitching Pollen (i.e. 60% accuracy Stop), which under Telescopic becomes an actually usable 80% accuracy.

80% accuracy Stop (comparison: Pokemon's Dark Void, normally only learned by Darkrai) On something that learns Mad Rush Stance.

WriggleP is now terrifying.
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>>24968216
Eh, Steel isn't a very good defensive type in this game, so I'm not too worried. And she still has the x4 fire weakness.

Actually, speaking of which. Fire is a better defensive type than Steel, but Steel is a better offensive type than Fire. This really bothers me.
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>>24968332
MomijiE still has 6 resistances and 1 immunity.
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>>24968332

I'm a bit bothered by Light being so terrible offensively.
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The real question: What's the best offensive type in the game (Nether?), and what's the worst?
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>>24968374

Void is pretty similar to Normal, not sure if it's the worst though. Light is pretty bad. Only 2 things it's SE against, and one of those things hits it back SE.
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>>24968397

There it is, finally some shitposting, showed up later than I expected.

Keep up the good work anon.
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>>24968397
Did a Touhou cosplayer rape you or something?
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>>24968397
why are you so angry
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>>24968319
>bulk on par with Darkrai
>80% accuracy sleep/stop
>somewhat weaker in ATK than Darkrai's SpATK, but gets much stronger STABs to spam to compensate for it
>gets a ridiculous set-up move that more than makes up for the shitty speed
>NO STOP CLAUSE SO YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR BOOSTED SPEED TO STOP EVERYTHING

BAN WRIGGLEP
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>>24968397
Cry to mods about it, fag.
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>>24968397
Oh I'm sorry, are we getting in the way of yet another waifufag or meme thread?
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>>24967788
Jesus fuck this took forever.
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>>24968426
>no one cares about this
Literally why
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>>24968529
Because Wriggle is ugly as all hell.
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>>24968557
you take that back right fucking now
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>>24968584
Sorry family but I don't like boys.
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>>24968557
Fuck you, just because Wriggle is one of the few males in the series doesn't mean you can insult him
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>>24968557
>>24968587
>>24968600
>Bullying Wriggle
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>>24968557
>>24968587
>>24968600

rude
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>>24968397
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>>24968607
I'm not bullying him
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>>24968397
Thanks janny.
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>>24968557
What the fuck did you just fucking say about her you little bitch?
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>>24967160
>Touhou tower's music
Do you have a link to it?
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>>24968845
Don't you mean "he"?

Isn't Wriggle a boy?
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>>24969009
Raiko anon pls...
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>>24969009
Shut up.
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>>24969009
Of course he didn't. He meant "him".

Gee, Raikoanon, this is basic stuff.
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>>24969077
>>24969190
>>24969232
Ok, officially confused.

Is Wriggle a boy or a girl
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>>24969237
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>>24969237
He's a dude, dude.
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>>24969237
Boy. People say Wriggle is a girl because pretty much everyone else is, so it's kind of a meme.
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>>24969237

She's definitely a boy, it's clear as day.
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>>24969237
Look raiko anon, Wrigle is a girl, go and see itoi life doujins about her.
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>>24969266
Doujins aren't canon
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>tfw can't read moon

;_;
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>>24969237
"Wriggle is a boy" is a meme.
Every single touhou that has appeared in the games is a girl, and Wriggle is no exception.
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>>24969385
>started learning moon a week ago
>can barely read stuff

feels good
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>>24969388
>Every single touhou that has appeared in the games is a girl, and Wriggle is no exception.
LOL
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>>24969403
>tfw no one remembers based Genjii
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>>24969398
you got an online resource/guide where I can learn?
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>>24969411
Who the fuck cares for a turtle?
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So to drag this back on topic, what are the big setup sweepers to keep an eye out for in the expansion
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>>24969403
Oh woops. I keep forgetting about Cloud man, sorry.
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>>24969425

EllyP is the only one that's on the map so far. There's the theorycraft for WriggleP. SanaeS is popular and she can set up better now, but she's still in the unsure area. SanaeE might be notable purely because her way of setting up is unique, but risky.
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>>24969412
DJT on /a/
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>>24969471
Don't do that. They are a part of him, you know.
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What is this face trying to convey?
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>>24969523

Me and Reimu sitting in a tree.
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>>24969523
Tsundere as fuck.
>MFW Tsundere Reimu scares me more than noraml reimu.
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>>24969523
This reminds me that itoi life's doujin with Reimu and kid that gave a 5000 yens donations. She beated him out at the end...and then sat his head on her lap while asking him to bring protection next time.
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Where is everyone? must be a slow time.
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>>24970066
Waiting for a translation.
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>>24970066
Its 3 am here and im about to go to bed.
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>>24970066

Still looking for grind spots. Haven't found anywhere good, just using level 65 random encounters. Wanna find the new level 70 moves for certain puppets.
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>>24970066

Thread's gonna keep on slowing down more and more till the translation comes out, people who actually know moon are a small fraction of the people who frequent the thread and half of them are the group that's likely busy working on making the translation now.
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>>24962423 >>24968971
More than that, can anyone post a link to all of the music in the game?
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Alright people, let's talk poison. The type was largely ignored in TPDP outside of EirinA, but with the new warp type shaking things up it's going to finally enjoy some relevancy.

Let's look at some of the more popular threats:

>EirinA [poison/water]
- a proven threat. All around solid bulky attacker with good sustain.

>MedicineE [poison/warp] (current #11 in usage)
- >>24967823 >>24967882 >>24968005

>HinaE [poison/fire] (current #2)
- highly optimized stat spread with great special bulk and highly potent FoAtt
- poison/fire typing... with levitate
- the recent removal of Voice of Famine hurts her coverage. We'll see how it plays out.

>SagumeD [poison/electric](#12)
- one weakness: earth. Granted it is x4
- 75/135/135 bulk
- electric-type spread drain punch
- wisdom eye and perhaps a good mystery ability??
- pain split

>SagumeP [poison/sound] (#15)
- 130 SpAtt. 110 Speed
- calm mind
- pain split
- warp puppet's worst nightmare
- abilities are probably good??


And that's all I feel like going over in detail. Think some are overrated? Underrated? Think poison is actually not going to be all that relevant? Hell, if you want to discuss the new type dynamics between Warp, Steel, Wind, Poison, etc.

Now watch 4chan completely fuck up this formatting.
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>>24970066
Waiting for the translation, I don't know much about japanese, so I will wait, otherwise I will have to play through the game twice to read the story.
Also, I will have to google every fucking skill to know what the fuck am I doing.
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>>24970109
Anon, why are you bullying medicine?
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>>24970109

Poison is undoubtedly going to be a lot more useful now thanks to warp's existence but it's likely going to have inflated numbers for the first couple weeks due to people running it to counter everyone trying out all the new warp styles / puppets.

Hard to say for sure how all those puppets are gonna be in the long run when parts of their moveset are still unreadable for me and we don't know how popular wind and warp are going to be, which will dramatically influence their usability.
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>>24970109
Here's the complete poison list. Separated via new/old:

Defense Sagume
Power Sagume
Extra Eirin
Extra Medicine
Extra Remilia
Extra Hina
Extra Elis
Extra Kagerou
Extra Kotohime
Extra Kurumi
Extra Mystia
Extra Rin
Extra Ruukoto
Extra Seiga
Extra Suwako
Extra Tewi
Extra Yamame

Assist Eirin
Assist Hina
Assist Kurumi
Assist Maga
Assist Wriggle
Assist Yamame
Defense Hina
Defense Lunasa
Defense Medicine
Defense Nazrin
Defense Nue
Defense Seija
Defense Yoshika
Power Eirin
Power Elis
Power Magan
Power Medicine
Power Seiga
Power Udonge
Power Yamame
Power Yoshika
Speed Seija


Personally I think EirinE looks interesting.
>Poison/Light is a pretty dynamic typing with 4 weaknesses and 9 resists.
>100/60/100/95/100/105 is an interesting spread. 105 speed in particular is nice.
>gets calm mind and surprisingly decent coverage.
>Unfortunately she lacks a reliable recovery outside of giga drain.
She's likely too middling to hit the top. But she looks curious.

>>24970078
this. Once new abilities and skills get translated we'll have more to talk about. Afterwards things will likely die down until the translation is finished.

>>24970152
Very true points.

>>24970147
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>>24970147
Dammit, i love this artist and all the work they do to design different set of clothes for the 2hus.
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>>24970176

Morino Hon is a saint.
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>>24970152

I'm gonna run Seiga, but one problem with her that seems really big is the Wind weakness. She's fast at least, but it seems like in puppet land you need 130 speed to be considered fast.
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>>24970162
Don't forget, SeijaD is also Poison/Light and gets access to Atomic Energy now, among other things.
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>>24970216
Seiga is not-gengar.
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>>24970564
Nope, she is a wicked hermit.
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>>24970109
People have mentioned that there's a glut of newhu usage because they're, well, new. Unless there are Warp types that sit at the top there will probably be less poison usage too.

That said HinaE is just obnoxious as hell to deal with because 4x weakness immunity and she dicks over Nature even harder than Warp.
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>>24970564

I'm talking Extra in particular. 120 speed is good, but in-game it felt a lot worse than expected. It feels like the average speed is a lot higher than in Pokemon. At least her STAB moves are strong and she can't be stopped by priority.
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>>24970109
Poison's core issues (weak to Earthquake, 0x against steel, weak to Wind) still are in place, I honestly feel none of them are going to hold up outside of Sagume's forms for fucking over setup sweepers (her P one has an abilty that's basically an upgraded Wisdom Eye; it REVERSES the opponent's stat boosts/losses while she's out like a permanent Phase Inversion)

Also HinaE has base 65 defense. And is Poison/Fire type. And is as slow as Snorlax (base 30 speed). How the hell something with a giant sign around her reading "EARTHQUAKE ME TO DEATH" is #2 in the usage charts is beyond me.
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>>24970618
>"EARTHQUAKE ME TO DEATH"
>poison/fire typing... with levitate
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>>24970618
Anon... HinaE gets Levitate.
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>>24970633
>>24970634
Wow am I dumb.

Fine, she's still weak to water and wind, and she's outsped by the entire fucking game. What does she even get for type coverage anyways?
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>>24970662
She's still hitting water back for SE damage, leaving Wind as her only real counter.
Probably not that big of a deal, but still.
I'm glad that SagumeD is doing well, though, I was pretty hype for a new Wisdom Eye user.
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>>24970673
Yes. Now remember how many good Wind types there are?

She should not be #2 in the usage charts
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>>24970686
Maybe last game she wouldn't, but remember that Warp counters Wind hard now.
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>>24970686

Well, as someone said earlier, 66% of SanaeS users are using a fucking OHKO move, and she's #20. I don't think anyone cares that much, they're just screwing around. Speaking of that, does NULL mean that a moveslot is empty?
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>>24970700
And you know which wind type is designed to fuck warp types up?

AYAP.

Like are there even any counters to her in the new stuff?
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>>24970714

Hecatia is immune to both Fighting and Wind, but she doesn't like Changeling. She's fucking everywhere too.
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>>24970730

Actually, now that I check the page, it says AyaP doesn't have Changeling anymore. Is it true? Did they actually nerf her more than I thought?
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pls translate faster
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>>24970745
You're right. No more changeling.

>>24970762
learn the moon and pitch in bro
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>>24970573
>taishi-sama never dicked Futo
Kinda mad
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>>24970790
not canon

all 2hus are virgins
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>>24970801
Actually. Seiga had husband.
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>>24970704
Honestly, this.

I feel like people are trying to view the meta as a perpetually stable/stagnant thing like what tends to happen in Smogon metagames, but I feel like the reality is that there are so many viable things now that you're going to see a perpetually shifting metagame as things rise and fall in popularity with a core of perpetually stellar things holding up at all times (AyaP for example)

>>24970745
Yup, she lost it; actually didn't realize this until now. That's a huge nerf since one of her best traits was being able to get the hell out of there if something she couldn't handle showed up while still doing damage.

It also means she has no way to really do anything to HecatiaE since HecatiaE is immune to both of her STABs and neutral to what coverage moves she still has, so she's left tossing around neutral Spirit Stone Jigs against her while she can safely take it, change form, and blow her off the face of the earth.

...Oh my god Hemo, you made your waifu the ultimate AyaP counter in addition to being stellar to begin with so that everyone would use her. I see your plans.
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>>24970801
>>24970828
As do the Watatsuki Sisters.
Not to mention the fact that Suwako canonically has decedents.
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I'm trying to make Mokou decent here.

MokouP is still kinda shit. She does get sucker punch now, but outside of that she remains unremarkable.


MokouS looks more promising now. For one the UtsuhoS speed nerf makes it so she isn't completely outclassed by her.
She got a lot of utility for some reason. Acid Armor. Amnesia. Wish. Aurora. That fuck-you-no-healing terrain. She already had fire-type toxic.
She also got coverage boosts. +Illusion, +nature. This is in addition to fire, fighting, ground, and light (lol)

Overall she gives me a jack-of-all-trades vibe. Looks viable but not cream of the crop.


MokouE is essentially bulkier version of S (120/60/60 -> 130/85/85) with less speed and power (130/100 -> 110/70). Granted she does have that 20% life orb ability.
She has some utility in disable and wish. She's mostly geared towards blowing shit up though.
She gets SpAtt dragon dance, eruption, hurricane, misc coverage, explosion...

Eh, she looks ok. Unless I missed something I think "ok" sums up Mokou pretty well. Shame she's not channeling her puppetplay variants here.
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>>24970801
She has a husband and a kid, then the husband NTR her for a lunarian and killed the kid.
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>>24970879

Well, even if it's very unlikely, it's possible some things will get buffs in patches. If not, we're screwed.
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>>24970925
>Mixing fan fiction with canon.
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>>24970790
Actually, in that doujin, he (lol) actually tried to have his way with Futo, but he (KEK) heard her 10 desires and stopped in the act.
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>>24970928
There's also MokouE's other untranslated ability, and a few untranslated moves here and there. Doubt they'll have a massive impact, though.
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I thought AyaP was buffed in the expansion by getting a physical multi-hit fighting move.

What's this about her being nerfed?
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>>24970928
Ah, forgot to add. At least we're better off than Kagerou fans. I mean goddamn.
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>>24970945

I hope they go okay for you. Things didn't go as I'd hoped, but I can't mull over it too long. Actually, it's MokouE, right? Maybe I'll go check. I can't translate but I can see what her level 70 stuff is since they get unlisted moves.
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>>24970961

That's a nerf, she already had a good focus fight move that she never used because she instead ran a spread fight move to counter SukunaD and other physical walls which she now lost.
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>>24970961
That's likely a nerf in the long run. She used the special variant to get past some physical walls. Now she's more one-dimensional.
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>>24970974
>>24970975
She still has Gigantic
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>>24970945
That's Southern Expanse, which gives her regeneration in Suzaku, despite Suzaku's usual rules about healing. Also, Power Mokou's new ability is a pretty big buff; it's Fox's Wedding, which gives her double speed during Sunshower.
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>>24970934
What? but is canon, dunno about the NTR part (remember that in old times it was common for a guy to have several wifes) but is canon that her husband was also chang'e's husband and killed thier child, making her go MAD.
she already killed the poor SOB and now want chang'e's ass, but by now she hasbecome so mad that no longer even remembers why she wants to kill her.
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>>24970986

Nope, that's gone too.
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>>24970998
What
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>>24971010

The only thing she got in return was a 95 BP Spread Poison move.
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>>24971010

Gigantic is skill card #59.
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>>24970967

Is Kagerou that bad? As in, probably won't be top 100 in a single form after things settle more bad?
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>>24970839
So why does your waifu get buffed (let's give something with base 65 speed that already gets Brave Song fucking Skanda) despite being in the top 30 of the base game but AyaP gets this completely fucked over (stonewalled by Hemo's waifu, physical walls stop her short easily now, lost Changeling)?
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>>24971025

tfw you will never run a full AWOO team
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>>24971025

She's nowhere near useless, not by a long shot, but her type weakness are extremely crippling while her stat spread and moveset are solid but nowhere near good enough to make up for it. For power and speed, at least.

She still has some untranslated stuff in extra so I dunno about that yet.
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>>24971037

Not him, but AyaP is currently top 5 in the base game. 4th place. I just want more buffs to what I like though.
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Oh hot damn, I just noticed the wiki's starting to get a whole bunch of YnK data added to it.

This is already pretty slick.
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>>24971037
Going to correct you on the middle point: she does get a new special fighting move from a skill card: Brave Burst. BP90 and 100% accuracy (i.e. Aura Sphere minus the guaranteed to hit part). So nowhere near as strong as her old options but STAB + BP90 is still enough to make things with stellar defense but bad special defense (like SukunaD) cry.

To answer your question, it's because Aya was too good.
Like AyaP was perpetual top 5 usage and post-expansion is the highest used old puppet at 9th place even POST-nerfs. RaikoP is barely above 2% usage as it stands in the expansion even with her new tools, although that might change as the meta smooths out over time.

Also she has a cuter attack animation.
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>>24971073

>SanaeE's second ability is translated as On the Edge

I can dig it.
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After seeing everything SuwakoE got, I feel nothing but despair.
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>>24971099

>ShouE gets the same ability

Oh baby, was already planning on taking her along for the ride but suddenly she just got a lot more interesting.
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>>24971136

Oh my god and she gets latent power to go with it (Maxes attack at the cost of half health).

Latent power > endure > 3x attack, 3x speed and 1.2x damage.

She'll still die instantly to any priority attack after that but holy shit that's metal as fuck.
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>>24971152

They share two different niches then. SanaeE has only one weakness and has priority to potentially muscle past other priority users, Shou sweeps harder but is easier to stop.
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>>24970937
Yes I know. I'm saying he should have fulfilled her 10 desires, if you know what I mean.
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Oh boy. You know what this means, right?
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>>24971353

You found a glitch for Prismatic Candy? Or you actually collected that many?
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>>24971373
"No" to both.
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>>24971413
Then explain, damn you!
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>>24971418
This is the only possible way for me to tease you all, now. Besides withholding the new music tracks, of course.
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Here are some things for you to rage/scream in joy at.

http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=623.0

All the new abilities. May not be entirely accurate, but here they are. Before you ask, Serious is on YukariP after you stall out her initial ability for the full 5 turns.

Also, whoever gets Affinity Twist is going to make my head hurt when fighting it.

http://pastebin.com/Tsg4ZSYy

All the changes to old movesets

Do note there are two separate "Lost:" entries and it's possible for a puppet to lose a move from the levelup moves but keep it as a skill card move: RaikoA lost Lightning Speed from her level-up pool but still has it as a skill card move, for example

Lost: Rush Attack
Lost: Gigantic, Changeling

RIP AyaP
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>>24971418
Probably just either used a third party program, or edited something in the game himself. He's just being a faggot, basically.
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>>24971353
>>24971413

Ah, yes, memory editing or the like. I may have to resort to that in the expansion as well, it feels really difficult to level. Clownpiece's minions only seem to give a level or so per encounter, even at level 50.
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>>24971540
Also worth mentioning: the one old skill-card that got changed was #39 (Dancing Rain), it now teaches Full-Burst Detonate instead (i.e. Sound-type Superpower)
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>>24971540

>EllyP got Grand Liberate

I know Chaos nullifies her STAB moves but come on man.
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so Extra Junko is Cresselia with two immunities and one weakness
I feel this is more concerning than Extra Waka
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>>24971540
>Affinity Twist
Who the hell gets this? That sounds like a real game changer.
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Added "YnK - New Abilities" and "YnK - Puppet Changes" to the pastebin.

>>24971540

>>24971555
Love you too, anon.

>>24971549
The hex address for Prismatic Candies can still be easily found.
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>>24971601
One of her immunities is to light, which is the worst attacking type in the game, and she has 0 resistances.

She'll be good, but not ridiculous.
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>>24971611

I've switched the messages for >>24971555 and >>24971549.
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>>24971615

I don't know if it's even worth it to run Light Javelin on something with no coverage, it's that bad. 150 BP to hit Hecatia with still doesn't sound that good.
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>>24971607

Extra Seija, that's it. I'm not sure if it's worth it. If it gets rid of natural immunities and makes them weaknesses, it might actually suck for her.
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>>24971623
Yeah. Like one of RaikoP's issues (as well as RaikoA's) is that literally EVERYTHING SHE LEARNS is walled by Light. Her type coverage outside of Sound and Electric is Light (Star Flare), Nether (Ghost Wave), and Void. So basically not worth it since even a neutral Emperor's Indignity or Ultra-High Tone would outdamage a SE Light Arrow

Like, at least with Ghost Wave there's the 30% chance to Fear. When NETHER is better for you than Light, that's just sad.
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>>24971682

I'm looking at it for KanakoE. She gets Wind and Fighting, nice STAB combo but gets walled by certain things. Thing is, Light Javelin only helps against 7 or so puppets. And it's a 75 BP move coming off of 100 attack, is it really gonna make a difference when Root Frog only has 30 less BP without counting a SE hit? This no movepool thing is really biting me in the ass. I'm even considering stuff like Corkscrew or Meteor Impact.
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So how is KotohimeE?
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>>24971682
*SE Star Flare.

Also, in WriggleP news, god she just got loved.

Because the base stat changes weren't enough (-15 SpATk, +5 HP, ATK, and Speed), because getting Telescopic as an ability to give him 80% accuracy Stop and 100% accuracy BP120 STABs wasn't enough, she also got Sneaking (i.e. Sucker Punch).

Like, keep an eye out for WriggleP now. He's legit scary.
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>>24971742
As far as I'm aware, the only reason you should use a Light move is if your puppet gets STAB off it.
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>>24971776

I'm considering it because I don't have any other moves. That and possibly to hit any cheeky Hecatias that want to switch on me without missing.
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>>24971540

>MeiraP
>Good ability changed from Assault (niche but okay) to Immovable (shit)
>STAB combo went from Steel/Dark (pretty good for an offensive 'mon) to Fighting/Electric
>Imposing Air got replaced with Strenuous Stance, on a base 100 speed sweeper with no other means of speed-boosting

What the fuck, Hemo? Even AyaP didn't get shafted this badly.
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>>24971831

>Immovable is basically Inner Focus

I WILL NOT FLINCH

I'm so sorry.
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>>24971549
No I mean what is it. I don't read hieroglyphics.
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Obscure game mechanics not mentioned literally anywhere math time:

In Pokemon, Water Spout (most well known for letting Kyogre hit like a nuclear missile) and Eruption (the one that lets Primal Groudon hit like a nuclear missile) start at BP150 and have their power reduced by 100-X%, X being how much of your max HP you have remaining. So if you're at half HP it's BP75, if you're at 80% it's BP135, etc. So in gen 6, it becomes weaker than the BP110 Hydro Pump/Fire Blast once your HP drops to 73% of maximum (although the higher accuracy means you're still winning out overall for a bit past that) and drops below the BP90 Surf/Flamethrower once you drop below 60% max HP. So while it obviously gets weaker than the other moves if you've taken a decent chunk of damage, it'll still be beating the other options out until you've dropped below 75% of your max HP.

That's in Pokemon. The puppet equivalents, Water Cannon and Fire Bird Dance, work the same way. With a single critical and crucial difference/nerf. Seriously, this is important if you're running these moves.

If your HP is not at full, the BP of the move DROPS to 100 BEFORE the further reduction from not being at full HP. This means that if you take even just ONE point of damage, Water Cannon's power will drop from 150 to 99, and below 75% max HP it starts to become a complete waste of a move slot. Whereas below 60% was when Water Spout and Eruption became worse than their BP 90 counterparts, below 60% is where Water Cannon and Fire Bird Dance become such wastes of time that even the equivalent SIGN skill would be stronger.

Basically if you take damage, Water Cannon and Fire Bird Dance become bad moves. They're only good if your HP stat is completely untouched.

Pic unrelated, I just wanted to post Raiko in hype of RaikoE.
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>>24971924
Why the fuck is that the case
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>>24971540
So Akyuu is Arceus?
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>>24971978

Kosuzu, not Akyuu. She's more like a shitty Arceus, but having the actual thing would be ridiculous. I wonder which books give her what stats though. Do they double the base stat or the total stat? I'm expecting the second but I'm still curious.
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>>24970879
PMokou could sub-punch now i guess ⋛⋋( ‘◇’)⋌⋚
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>>24972128
Like does that matter at all? Subpunching stopped being relevant past Gen 4, maybe Gen 5 at the latest
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>>24972138

Maybe we just need a Breloom. Even if Breloom pretty much never uses Sub Punch now.
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>>24972138
Wasn't subpunching one of the big things that got M-Mawile sent to Ubers, though?
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>>24972151
55 base speed on pmokou means she does get a free turn after using sub. not a bad guess when a switch is in play, either- not like skanda is of any use on her.

I guess you wouldn't bother with focus punch since reckless effects purgatory flicker and presumably effects transcend form, though.
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>>24972165
What is Skanda worth using on then
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Translated these in an attempt to make up for some of my many mistakes:

>ラピスラズリ
("Lapis Lazuli")
>藍色の宝石。
("Indigo-blue jewelry.")
>持たせると一度だけ歪属性のスキルの威力が上がる。
("Raises the power of Warped Skills once.")

>金の符
("Gold Charm")
>持たせると集中スキルを受けた時に 集防が上がる。
("When held by a Puppet, it'll raise its Fo. Def after getting hit by a Fo. Atk skill.")

>銀の符
("Silver Charm")
>持たせると拡散スキルを受けた時に 銀防が上がる。
("When held by a Puppet, it'll raise its Sp. Def after getting hit by a Sp. Atk skill.")

>天泣の霊石
("Serein SpStone)
>人形に待たせると天気雨の時間がいつもより長くなる。
("Lengthens duration of the Sunshower condition when used by the holder.")
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So how good is AyaP post expansion? Losing access to high-power special fighting moves and Changeling sucks, but the reason why people use her (i.e. Salvo + moves to go with it + base 130 speed) is still in place, and she doesn't have to run Transcend Form for a high power physical fighting move anymore.

How much stuff did Hemo put in to fuck her over?
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>>24972195
>>24972195
He made HecatiaE (aka the thing sitting at #1 in the usage charts and best described as Aegislash + Deoxys with a splash of Wormadam in the forms being different types) is in her default form immune to both of AyaP's STABs, and she has more than good enough bulk to not care about a desperately tossed neutral Spirit Stone Jig before the form switch lets her rip AyaP to pieces..

Hemo made HecatiaE, the Extra form of his waifu that he made really really good because of waifu bias, completely immune to both of AyaP's STABS, and took away the one move she had (Changeling) that could hit her for SE.

This is the tip of the iceberg.

Some puppets have an ability that prevents the usage of any move with BP 50 or less against them. This is generally not significant outside of stopping Smash Spin, but it shuts down basically all of AyaP's good moves.

Remember how people used Small Bit (i.e. Rocky Helmet on moves that were BP 70 or less) on random puppets to completely screw AyaP over? There's now a version that works on all BU moves (aka all of AyaP's multihit moves) (so basically just Rocky Helmet). Now 2 puppets on your can make Aya nearly kill herself without having to attack her. Slap it on EMomiji with her Iron Barbs equivalent ability and AyaP will kill herself before she even gets the fifth hit in!

There's an ability found on RenkoE and EikiE that makes it so when they switch in they completely remove the opponent's ability. Using that on AyaP will declaw her of a huge chunk of her damage output.

This one hasn't been confirmed yet, but there is a new ability (Ascertainment) that's basically reverse mold breaker. Whether or not it negates Salvo is currently unknown, but if it does, that's another thing designed to make AyaP suck.

And this is just the objective "fuck you AyaP", that's not even getting into subjective stuff like how there appears to be a general trend towards higher bulk on puppets in general.
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>>24972251
What the fuck did AyaP do to deserve this
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Not be absolutely adorable, like pic related.

Hemo likes Sukuna, as shown how despite being even higher in the usage charts at times than AyaP she still got 0 nerfs outside of Warp type now being a thing. Most of which won't like a STAB Shooting Press to the face anyways.
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>>24972301
considering utsuhoS also got fucked over, i think hemo just has something against birds
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>>24972186
Continuing on:

>秘色の髪飾り
("Lapis [Lazuli] Hairpin")
>深い青色の髪飾り。
("Deep-blue hairpin.")
>持たせると歪属性のスキルの威力が上がる。
("When held the power of Warped moves is boosted.")

>夢現の境界
("Boundary's Trance")
>輝く虹色と透き通った青で半分に別れた宝石。
("A shining-rainbow jewel that was clear and broken in pieces.")
>特別な人形が持つと全能力が大きく上がる。
("Special dolls are able to surpass their full potential.)
>境界を超えることは出来ない。
("It's not possible to exceed the boundaries.")

>古ひたコイン
("Ancient Coin")
>いっこじゃコンティニュー出来ない。
("A single coin that can't be used [to pay for costs].")
>持たせた人形の戦闘中 糸による封印確率が上がる。
("Raises the chance to seal a puppet during battles if you've already sealed that type of puppet before.")

>迎撃ビット
("Intercept Bit")/("Counter Bit")
>持たせるとBUスキルを受けた時に相手にもダメージを与える。
("When held, the puppet will reflect damage when damaged by BU skills.")

>リフレクトビット
("Reflect Bit")
>持たせるとENスキルを受けた時に相手にもダメージを与える。
("When held, the puppet will reflect damage when damaged by EN skills.")
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>>24972481
BU and EN are focus and spread?
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>>24972510
BU = Contact moves
EN = Non-Contact moves
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>>24971924
That doesn't sound intended.
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>>24972481
I want to sleep.

>希望の面
("Mask of Hope")
>希望に満ち溢れた表情の面。
("A mask with an expression that's full of hope.")
>相手のスキルよって怯まず 装飾品破壊の効果を受けない。
("Prevents flinching and is difficult to destroy.")

>鉄心のリボン
("Ribbon of Iron Will")
>習得しているスキル数が3つ以下の場合受けるダメージを軽減する。
*Will translate this once I'm more awake; mentions reducing damage.

>見通し眼鏡
("Insight Glasses")
>人形に持たせると 相手の装飾品がわかる。
("When held, allows you to see the item held by the opponent.")

>槍投の極意
("Secret Arte of Javelin Throwing")
>戦いの心得が書かれた書物。
("A book written with knowledge about battling.")
>持たせるとジャベリンの威力が上がる。
("When held, the power of Javelin skills increases.")

>鈴の髪飾り
("Hairpin of Bells")
>小さな鈴のついた髪飾り。
("A hairpin marked with a tiny bell.")
>先頭の人形に持たせると 野良人形と出会いやすくなる。
("When held by the lead Puppet, the chance of wild encounters is increased.")

>大童の線
("Impression of Hard Efforts.")
>ぬいぐるみ用の綿。大量にある。
("Cotton for stuffed animals. There's a large amount of it.")
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>>24972738
Hemo really doesn't like sweepers, and in theory those are the ultimate sweeping moves, so it's really not that odd.
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>>24971924
>>24972738
It's mentioned in some old patch notes, and applies to Gravity Blast as well.
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>>24972765
Will translate Ribbon of Iron Will in about 6 hours from now; good morning, anons.

> 針
("Sewing Needle")
>裁縫用の針。
("A needle for sewing")

>糸
("Thread")/("Yarn")
>裁縫用の太目の糸。
("Fat yarn for sewing.")

>はさみ
("Scissors")/("Shears")
>布を裁断するはさみ
("A pair of scissors to cut cloth with.")

>布
("Cloth")
>茶色の大きな布。
("Large, brown cloth.")

>大きなテディべア
("Large Teddy Bear")
>予想以上にきい
("More amazing than expected.")

>壊れたテディべア
("Broken Teddy Bear")
>パーツがちぎれたテディベア。
("Part of the Teddy Bear is ripped and torn into pieces.")
>所々から綿がはみ出ている。
("Pieces of cotton are sticking out of it.")

>ホールケーキ
("Cake")
>ホールのショートケキ。
("A whole shortcake.")
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>>24972186
>>24972481
>>24972765
>>24972877

Doing gods work anon.
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>>24972877
Almost forgot about

>ショートケーキ
("Shortcake")
>切り分けられたショートケーキ
("A slice of shortcake.")
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>>24972765
>("When held, the power of Javelin skills increases.")

Well now, that's interesting. Wonder how much of a boost that is.

Suddenly I want to try out a full-javelin build on RemiP.
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>>24971994
>Kosuzu, not Akyuu.

That's what I get for trying to post while half-delirious from exams.
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>>24972978
Why would you waste time for a degree when you have touhous?
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>>24971540
>http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=623.0
>http://pastebin.com/Tsg4ZSYy

me love u long time

>>24971924
That's disappointing. I was eyeing SuikaE as a fun gimmick seeing how she gets both eruption and water spout. This changes makes that pretty shit though. I wonder if this was intentional or if folens just fucked up the math.

>>24970879
MokouE kinda confuses me. Great bulk, but her ability is more meant for a sweeper. Maybe her niche should be on an anti-stall team running Suzaku or some shit.
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Most people are probably aware of this, but if you aren't, here's a touhou character sorter/ranker: http://tohosort.comoj.com/

Determine your favorites etc etc. I'm about to plan out a team this way myself. Be warned though: this takes a pretty damn long time to complete.
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>>24973802
I'm unsure how to feel about this.
Also, is someone making a new thread soon?
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>>24973982

Yep, I'm ready to bring it up when needed.

/vp/'s slow as shit and we're still only on page 9 so no reason to hop over yet.
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>>24973802
Guess i know who to use now.
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Head on over folks.

>>24974156

Brought it up a little bit earlier than needed since I might be busy.
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