/parag/ - Paragon General

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>wearing your 4x t-shirt and looking at you longingly during a sleep over

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first for mommy

>>187167236
Thoughts on this Zinx build? Mainly going for tanking with her ult.
>Pensive Shaman adds health and mana regen with the ability of regenerating 20% of mana restored
>Vital Waters adds health and health regen, along with increased healing by 15%
>Stagnant Dominion adds 16 power and 40% mana regen with ability slow
>Mana reactor causes you to gain 1 mana for every 6 damage taken for you slot 7 under vitality
> Mana fountain causes you to gain 10 mana per second based on your missing mana
>Zinx's ult at level 3 causes you to gain 5% of you missing mana
>Zinx's ult also heals you for 50% of all damage you take

So Zinx gains more mana per second the lower she gets. All the mana she gets heals her. When she takes damage, she gains more mana (thus healing more) and is also healed for 50% of the damage. Vital Waters increases all healing by 15%, further increasing her damage mitigation. Stagnant Dominion adds a slow to her aoe and her auto attack buff, giving her more cc along with her stun.

>>187163076
>my pre-42 Kwang game was so strong that I would almost always be the most farmed on either team by a couple of points, and end games with between 0-1 deaths
>often finished with a KDA in double digits
>tfw have no desire to play the game as it is
Feels bad: I had just hit my stride in this damn game in terms of positioning, map awareness, knowing my match-ups and my preferred heroe's strengths and weaknesses, then they go and completely change virtually every fundamental aspect of the game for the worse.

>>187169061
pretty sure her DOT doesnt proc the slow but other than that it looks good. maybe go death instead of order and use withering shadow

>Paragon trying to ride the coattails of blizzard by releasing same hero aesthetic as blizzard's 3rd biggest game update
Smart decision, if still hopeless

>>187170301
I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say

>>187170485
Drongo's coming out same time has the australians update in overwatch
ded gaem
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>>187170637
>blizzard invented Australians
woah..

>>187171497
yeah and?

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hey guys guess who the latest model rip is

>>187172196
...oh
>tfw still no freaky dangerous jungle sex webbums with Mori

Is countess even viable these days? I played her pretty successfully a looong time ago, think the old map, but now I can't do a fucking thing with her.

>>187170276
I tried out withering shadow and it works pretty well, thanks. With it on my health didn't drop but my mana slowly did.

>>187173159
??? countess is considered if not top tier, very very high tier.

>>187173843
Yeah, I'm just bad at video games (MOBAs)

>>187174308
o. just get that invisibility card and gank people and hunt for squishies. the nice part about countess is her aoe is overpowered too so she has good wave clear too.

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Keep the thread alive you fucking retards.

Also xth for best girl

>>187176381
Don't tell me what to do, fucker.

>>187176381
I like to think that Morigesh actually wants to make friends but she's too weird and scares everyone.

>>187177721
The "Lore" says she's just some unlucky woman that got possessed by the spirit of a swamp that wants to kill The Fey for some reason l.

Zinx with Withering Shadow, Sorvukk Initiate and Possessed Spry-kin is pretty fun

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Does self damage with Withering Shadow count towards Hero Damage dealt in your favour?

I have no explanation for this otherwise since I was barely in any team fights.

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>>187170301
>Think it was going to be a soldier from the zone.
>It's fucking Junkrat in Roadhog's mask.

>>187181229
replace Sorvuk with Pensive Shaman

>>187183379
>replace the card that fucking destroys literally anyone if they try to fight you
nah

the 48 ability armour is no joke either

What bullshit will Cam say today I wonder

>>187183614
Have you been having great success with her?

>Thinking about if I really deserve my rank
>play my smurf that I made ages ago and only played 5 games on
>18 kills with Morigesh
I didn't even have optimal cards and gems, I guess I'm not boosted.

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>>187189946
ye

Max your RMB first and use it constantly so they can barely push your tower, grab Spry-kin asap and pick up Vanguard Captain if you have to go back/die for some reason.

Then go straight for Withering shadow and finish up with Sorvukk. The HUEG ability armour on Sorvukk basically negates the damage you take from both Shadow and Sorvukk's drain, along with your passive.

>>187191592
God bless. I've been wanting a reason to use her since I got her tier 2 from a crate.

Would you mind posting the deck so I can see the gems you use?

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>>187191759
the only important cards are spry-kin, sorvukk and shadow, everything else is just filler until you have the attributes required.

>>187192408
Thanks alot

>Epic will nerf everything unique about Wukong because their broken shield cards and stupid changes to attack speed make him a god
Heaven forbid they return the attack speed to what it was before the patch and tune down the effects of the cards. That would make too much fucking sense, I suppose.

>>187192983
The global attack speed increase really did seem randomly forced. Like.. why? Cooldowns got lowered, scaling got increased, why did attack speeds need to be upped too?
Whats worse is that the agility stat is a thing too, so people were already going to be getting more attack speed by investing in the stat.
Just another case of Epic not thinking shit through again.

CAMmunity corner hot off the presses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPBAqYhSo9Y

>>187194259
They seem to have some obsession with wanting to finish the game fast. Maybe most of the devs are premature ejaculators or something?

>>187194863
I doubt Cam has touched a woman

>>187195117
>Implying he doesn't hire high class prostitutes and snort coke with Paragon dollars from Sonyggers

>>187194863
I think the attack speed increase was trying to up the pace of the game, especially the early game. It definitely was not needed.

>>187194763
literally nothing, just Cam bitching about draft dodgers and his test realm games for 20 minutes
they need to go back to answering questions

rip

>Godmother Vigilant
>Flame of Zechin
>Shadowdancer

>>187195970
>his test realm games
Ah yes the magical realm of Delusion.

>>187192408
Thanks as well, I'm about to start trying out tanks(the only role I couldn't really play so far) and she was the next one on my list

>>187195970
this. They could have skipped this weeks CC and we would have the same amount of information about the upcoming patches. I do enjoy the part where Mooney admits decks are singular and counterbuilding doesn't really exist only to freak for a half-second and go back into pitch mode. I just want the dev team to feel a little fucking shame, yknow?

>>187194763
>gonna nerf kwang
>because he is op with cursed sprykin build
Not because his kit is an amazing utility burst caster with adc scaling autos and a fighter's hp pool? Do you guys even think epic has tried Mommy Vigilant on him? It sounds like they are nerfing him because Cam got his ass kicked in a dev "testing" game.

>>187196952
lel they said they are nerfing him cause Cam won with him

live dang you

>>187196573
Heh.

>>187196693
This I have to see.

>>187200937
No.

>>187194763
YOU HEAR THIS DODGERS? BIG DADDY CAM IS GONNA GIVE YOU ALL THE BANHAMMER IF YOU KEEP DODGING MY RIKTOR OFFLANE
#EXPANDTHEMETA

>>187204554
I'll expand your asshole if you come into a /parag/ thread and start defending Cameron Winston ever again.

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>>187172196
Oh shit

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>>187183178
>>It's fucking Junkrat in Roadhog's mask.
Might as well have went full copyright chasing and added a move from Kano.

Speaking of Australians, why are they portrayed as zany/crazy? I know that they're supposed to be like the hicks of the world, but still

>>187167885
>>187172196
What's this guys name?

>>187205535
how dare you insult /ourguy/ cameron for the winston. his brilliant idea to try 3 carries to counter phase finally dragged me out of bronze and into the top 50% of the playerbase with a sparkling 1150 elo, and his dedication to making needed quality of life changes to underperforming heroes such as countess and wukong continue to make it rise. sounds to me like you're just a mad draft dodger who's scared of getting shit on by my full INT midlane sparrow

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>>187206553
>full INT midlane sparrow
It's all memes and games until someone jeopardizes the bush

>>187206380
Kano is an Australian? Kek, didn't know that
>Speaking of Australians, why are they portrayed as zany/crazy?
Try leaving in this hellhole and not becoming at least slightly crazy. I think that MadMax did a lot for the association of Aussies with post-apo psychopaths

>>187206662
its a new dawn my friend, sparrow is rocking the full brazilian now. all these metas continue to expand thanks to based cam

>>187206380
It's a prison island in the middle of the ocean that's like 80% uninhabitable desert and every living thing is top 10 in a list of most deadly animals. Weird living conditions make for weird people.

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>>187206380
>Speaking of Australians, why are they portrayed as zany/crazy? I know that they're supposed to be like the hicks of the world, but still
do you not read aussie posts on this website

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what did he mean by this?

>>187207737
Le Autism Man is gay? I'm not suprised.

>>187207321
>do you not read aussie posts on this website
>Going to other boards
I try to minimize my autism

>>187207737
Yeah, I basically guessed that already.
Still possible he's not and it's just his modern North American upbringing seeping through, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

>>187209120
>not frequenting /int/
>AKA /s/-lite by way of Jewish propaganda
>AKA point and laugh at the designated meme country du jour
/bant/ has nothing on /int/, it's a pale imitation.

>>187207737
Sylphin and Chris start to date each other. How does it affect Paragon?

>>187207039
>>187207270
Fair enough, I've seen enough australian wildlife/spider gifs to know what's up

>>187207115
>its a new dawn my friend, sparrow is rocking the full brazilian now.
>Zechin Hunter Sparrow skin might be where she shaves
Y-yeah?

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>>187209512
Cam gets jealous of the intimate human interaction and quits out of frustration; Steve returns.
Chris is imprisoned for taking advantage of a man with severe autism and Sylphin is taken into government care and given enough paper and crayons to make spreadsheets for the rest of his natural born life.

>>187209512
it doesn't because in 6 months epic tries to sell paragon no one buys it because its a sinking ship due to all of the dev teams "bright ideas", and it gets shut down

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>>187207115
>full Brazilian Sparrow

>>187210102
Steve would not return to a project that has been tainted by faggotry though, unless without proper cleansing
Pls come back and bring Legacy with you

>>187210645
*at least, not unless

>>187210645
I can't believe all the cocksmokers on Reddit that parrot the official line that Epic deleted Legacy. Worse yet are the ones that think Epic somehow chopped up the master Legacy file to use the assets for other features like the tutorial map or the Monolith visual update.
That's just...not how things work.
Guaranteed there are several back-up Legacy files on the internal servers, and probably a few more in interns' desk. Hell, Steve probably took a copy with him on a flash drive before he left.

>DUDE JUNGLE MURDOCK LMAO
Stop encouraging this idiotic shit you goddamned clowns.

>>187211496
Get fucked bitch I'm trying to run mid Khai and the GOD Cam gave me the green light

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>>187211771
It would not surprise me in the least.

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>>187211496
ADAPT
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>>187210645
cam is a moron but lets not pretend the game was in great hands before. i mean they literally had to be taught in the early access that letting everyone share 100% xp and cxp while making the jungle minions worth more than an entire minion wave was a bad idea and would just result in everyone running in 5 man groups in the jungle deathballing everything

>>187213024
I guess. Things were really all over the place at the start, but I have this feeling that the old guard would have learned and adapted faster than the chucklefuck we have running the show now.

>>187213024
I think 2 people in lane should get full gold for last hits again. I shouldn't have to just sit in lane draining exp for half the game waiting to get enough attribute points for my first real support/ganking card.

>>187213024
Agreed, but I still looked at Paragon much more optimistically when it was in Steve's hands.

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Wtf is with this flux of offlane Belicas I keep seeing? And just now, this guy flamed me and dodged for locking her mid instead of off when the other team had Chad + Narb & Gid mid.

Game's irreparable. The Phase boosted shitters are the most vocal now, thinking they're good or understand anything about the game, and now the perennial low silvers are instalocking and boosting off Kallari and Goku. So we have the top 5% or whatever of the playerbase in Plat who have no idea what the fuck they're doing who are convinced they're gods because their elo.

Help us, Steve. Deliver us.

Friday night bump. Normalfag hours incoming, prepare for ded thred.

>>187213540
Dude if that were the case I would literally never EVER play another support and just play another burst caster in the safelane lol the best form of CC is killing the other player and some of these casters spike hard as fuck once they get invader mage or whatever affinity they are.

>>187215047
I used to play Belica offlane (before her range buff), did pretty good with her, too (same with The Fey).
The problem is, you're trading out a tank/ bruiser for a squishy caster, which probably isn't worth it unless you're in a stack and you have a team built around the idea.

>>187215330
Good. If they want to fuck around saying that attributes and cards should let every character do whatever, like they're playing Dota, you should absolutely have the option. Having tons of damage is really useful but maybe a support with powerful CC like Muriel or a way to heal up poke damage like Narbash will be more important than ever because of it. Maybe Steel and Yin will fall into favor by virtue of stopping a lot of caster projectile spam.

>>187215047
I've noticed it as well and I have no idea why. I think it's because people see Iggy and think "oh cool that means any caster work".

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>Run Kwang with godmother, sacred and tribute
>my 3 inhibs are destroyed
>red team has to five stack me to just push me back when pushing lanes
>red had to take OP twice to get past me without killing me
>still lost

Team was composed of all unmastered TB that kept coming to off, mid khai, off wraith and a Gideon that kept switching lanes.

I hate silver league, can't carry these guys if I'm alone and handicapped by sharing my lane's exp with my team

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>>187217797
>mid khai, off wraith
This is fantastic news! Very excited that the community is already taking our latest roundtable to heart and allowing their teammates a chance to expand the meta!

>>187217797
Godmother would probably be better as your only card, either that or SacAlc with Vampiric Blade. Just pick Wukong and splitpush your way out of silver, guy.

Cam can't keep getting away with it
Who will save us

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>>187218474
God, fuck Cam (even more than usual): that condescending little rant he went on was ridiculous. I will dodge a shitty comp if I damn well please. I don't care if you think you can make support Morigesh work, I don't care if you have a new deck for midlaneGreystone that's totally going to revolutionise the meta, I'm going to didge that shit every time. Try out your ridiculous off-meta comps in a premade and stay out of solo q.

>>187220370
I like how he always talks about the sacred internal testing games where everyone magically figures out counters to everything and all heroes are balanced and viable, and then he just flat out admits this time that the those games are just people fucking around trying insane stupid ass builds that wouldn't possibly work in a competitive environment where people actually care about winning. No shit you could find a good Phase counter when the person playing her was taking her jungle.

>>187220370
>>187221351
I've never seen this guy. I don't know who he is. When paragon first started I though I remembered a tall skinny black dude in most the videos. Idk, but I hate this cam son of a bitch with ever ounce of being. I consider purposefully gaining weight just to have more ounces of being to hat him with.

>>187223131
The guy you're talking about is Steve Superville, Paragon was his pet project, but he got kicked out of it(don't know why) and Cam is now the main dev. As you probably know he's awful at that.

>>187223131
You're thinking of Steve Superville, the guy that Cam replaced. Obviously we can't say that things would have been better under Steve's stewardship, but I honestly can't imagine them being any worse.

>>187167803
Nigga I wear a large.

Be honest bros, who else here plays significantly less since the v42 update?

>>187225438
i play it 10x more than i used too. game has always been terribly balanced and i love everything else about the update. i spent more time shitposting with you bushbros than playing after AoI because the game was just trash after that update

>>187220298
>Who will save us
Death.

>>187225438
I do, but only because I don't have much time because of work. I actually like the update, even though balance is even more all over the place than before. My main gripe though is that people seem to somehow be even more retarded than before. Pre 42 people at least more or less knew where they should go with each hero 99% of time, now I see absolutely retarded shit all the time.

>>187225438
Yeah,can't stand the pace or the balance. I think one of the last games I played before I hung it up was indicative of where it's at:
>5k health Kwang with max attack speed swinging sanic fast at an equally tanky Rampage for a minute straight while the enemy Morigesh marked me every couple of seconds
>bonus: my team's Twin and Wraith fed the Morigesh to 19 kills
The game alternates between ridiculous TDM and pseudo Legacy-tier tank meta, and neither are fun. The map is also too small for the v42 minion waves and how quickly a split can be pushed.

>>187225438
I think the update was ok I enjoyed it at the start but I haven't played the week or so because the meta and balance is too much. Like I can deal with the Kallaris and Countesses but trying to deal with a Wukong splitpushing in combination with the other two is just bullshit. Not to mention you get retards on your team feeding the fuck out of them.
Hoping the balance patch fixes stuff.

Bump.
Want to play Paragon, but don't want to play this specific Paragon. What a conundrum.

>shooting the enemy heroes as wraith
>our phase links me
>she gets ulted by dekker and is being murdered
>pulls me to her so I also get murdered
Is there any way to disable ally ability use on you like DotA? I sure do love dying because my teammate is trolling!

>>187230587
I feel like one of those WoW nostalgia fags "MMMUH VANILLA WoW!" If there was a private server hosting pre v42 I'd be playing that.
Please someone make it happen with your elite hacking skills.

>>187230860
Pre v42? Not really. But if there was a private server hosting Legacy pre dunking removal, oh boy, I would take a week off just to play a hell out of that.

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>>187230860
>>187231136
Honestly, I'd take either. Legacy first, obviously, but I would gladly take Age of Intellect at the height of Phase's dominance over the unbalanced, hot ADD mess that is v42.
The worst part is the balance schedule: we know that there will be some number tweaks on Tuesday, but when will we see changes to towers, minions, attack speed or the whole entire jungle?
With the visual update? After another 9 weeks? Never?

>>187232438
>towers
never
>minions
give it awhile but i'd say 3-4 months to slow the matches a little bit and make an actual mid game exist
>attack speed
never
>or the whole entire jungle?
expanding the jungle and changing the camps around was on their end of year goals thing so around then

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>>187217797
>mid Khai
I WAS FUCKING KIDDING

ITS HAPPENING ALREADY

>>187232438
>towers
Never. They've been saying for a while now they're happy with them for some ungodly reason.
>minions
Could have sworn there had been some sort of talk about adjusting those but it was probably just hearsay.
>attack speed
Probably never since that was one of their big "LOOK AT THIS" things for New Dawn.
>entire jungle
No clue.

>>187230721
I don't even let Phase link me anymore. They're all boosted retards. If you back it breaks the tether, theyll try to link you 2 or 3 times before giving up.

Players get way too powerful way too easily imo. It should take pretty much perfect play to get to a point where you can 1 shot people as Countesss, but instead every Countesss in every game is one shotting people.

>>187230721
Make a report on the EPIC site with the replay code included & summarizing the Phase douchebaggery. They will do something about it if it's reasonably obvious it's not just bad timing.

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>>187233547
Oh God, what horrible answers: I was really hoping for some fucking reassurance, lads.

>>187233383
And here we go. Good job Cam, thanks for all this you fucking tool.

>>187234478
>I was really hoping for some fucking reassurance, lads.
Sorry but, for the most part, I'm a realist.

>>187234860
Yeah, I suppose I knew what was coming before even asking. Guess I'll go reminisce over my Agora page or maybe just get a hobby.

>>187234478
tbqh once you get used to how dumb it looks the attack speed isn't that big of a deal except with wukong related bullshittery. i don't think i could go back to the old style after adapting to the new speed

>>187235345
>once you get used to how dumb it looks
It may sound petty and dumb, but I literally cannot. It looks profoundly stupid and makes basic attacks feel awful.

Just tried the atrocity that is Zinx for the first time. Would not recommend. Hitting everything with a strength of a wet noodle and without any strongly impactful abilities feels like utter shit, And she eats up so much fucking mana! On one hand you need vitality to be tanky and on the other you need intelligence to make use of her abilities, what the fuck are you even supposed to build?

>>187235704
>>187169061
Works decently enough for me

>>187194763
fucking autism

they need to be like overwatch and just have one guy speak directly to the audience and get to the point. I dont want to watch a 40 minute video to hear like 3 autistic guys give us 2 minutes worth of information. Its just self masturbation and they are holding info hostage. Also ree.

Good night, /parag/. Stay bumped, now.

>>187235670
yeah especially on someone like grux or kwang it just looks awful but i kinda find it funny. plus a few characters it actually looks much better on, like twin since he doesn't slowly switch between firing a single bullet from each gun anymore and just goes ham. plus as someone who plays a lot of dekker its nice to be able to feel like a have an actual attack people should care about instead of just a little poke every 5 seconds

>>187236054
i'll start posting summaries for everyone like i did for last weeks. i didn't bother for this one though because they didn't really say anything we didn't already know

>>187235670
I think the biggest problem is that they don't know what kind of game they even want to make. The higher attack speed change makes it feel like it wants to be an Overwatch/Paragon shooter. It's just really held back by forcing everyone into moba roles that aren't fun for anyone, like ward bitch who isn't allowed to take any cs or offlaner with more minion kills than seconds interacting with the other team.

But the attack speed from before was pretty atrocious too. Sure you had to aim your attacks but the game felt so sluggish since you'd shoot once and be forced to wait 2-3 seconds for your basic attack to come off cooldown.

>>187236473
Agreed. It looks great on Twin because it's what you'd expect, but Murdock and Sparrow look ridculous with their automatic weapons.
The fighters get it the worst, though: Kwang spins his sword like a prequel lightsaber and Feng Mao literally cannot complete his animations (although I hear a patch fixed/ will fix that by changing them). My main problem is that attacks feel worthless and floaty now.
Can't do it.

>>187236949
You might be exaggerating a little there: the slower basics were 1.2 seconds with 1 second being the average iirc, but I get what you mean. Early jungle was a bit sluggish, but I did enjoy the slow ramping of power and attack speed that I would get from my build: each time I'd complete a card with an attack speed upgrade I'd swing once or twice on my way out of base because I knew it meant an escalation in what I was capable of.
Having that same capability after 5 minutes of sitting under tower just feels kind of cheap and unearned, and, no joke, takes a lot away from the game for me.

>>187236949
>ward bitch who isn't allowed to take any cs
You think giving the second person greater rewards would help?

The actual supports - not this Iggy/Countess trash - seem to have kits that let them do pretty decently without rocking a full hand of cards to me.

Disclaimer: I'm a scrub that only even has the game installed for checking out models & designs and shit. All my shit's based off observation & not pvp gameplay.

I don't give a fuck I always take the range minion

Also what the fuck is ebins problem. End game or health related ward fucking when. Literally can't play riktor or narbach or any tanky support properly since I have to have a slot used up by ward. We had 6 item slots and now we only have 3. Either make new card or give us 4 actives at least.

>>187236949
>But the attack speed from before was pretty atrocious too. Sure you had to aim your attacks but the game felt so sluggish since you'd shoot once and be forced to wait 2-3 seconds for your basic attack to come off cooldown.
yeah i was watching some older gameplay footage and just seeing how slowpaced the attacks actually were with people taking like 7-8 seconds just to kill a single siege minion was the moment where i got that "wow i can't believe i ever played the game like this" feeling. like i said i really dont think i could ever go back

>>187237969
I'd often suggest taking the ranged minion to my support before the gold buff was changed.

>>187237835
the supports are definitely far more kit focused now which is why muriel and narbash have gotten such a boost in comparison to ones like dekker since you can't just buy quenching and honor 10 minutes into the game and have the best of all worlds

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>>187237969
I do this too, if the carry is too stupid to attack that 1st I take it

a. it's more xp
b. it's the only one that does significant dmg so If I kill it I can harrass the offlaner
c. it's the minon that does the most dmg to your wave so taking it out means your wave stays healthier for the push

I don't understand how we are 2 years into this game and people STILL don't target the ranged and siege minions 1st or know that if you kill them and only them you can slow push

>>187237969
lamp lighters are honestly the best wards, the other one refills yeah but it takes up 4 of your already low amount of points and a constant item slot. i usually spend my points on things like hamstring or mallenks prayer or the true sight card if they're assassin heavy and just drop some gold every now and then on lamp lighters to get vision in needed places

>>187238465
Quenching basically still exists, though, and Honor might not have a direct equivalent, but the same type of cards are there.

>>187238574
The amount of times I've had to type out "kill the big ranged minion first" while watching on deathcam.
Nah, it's fine: you kill the melee minions that are ignoring our inhib while the three big gunners are shooting it, Cam expects us to let people try new things, after all. For all we know, they're pioneering some brave new meta.

>>187238842
right, but now you have to make a trade off for them at least. narbash always has his healing and muriel always has her shields so they can focus on getting other utility cards.
i think all the supports are actually pretty well balanced with the exception of muriel and thats just because theres no shield shred cards for some stupid reason. dekker or phase if you wanna be an agressive offense oriented support who sets up kills and then nar and muriel if you wanna be more of a supporty support. plus things like riktor and steel or even aurora if you wanna go more hybrid.

>>187238574
They're trying to freeze the lane so they can safe farm. You shitter supports who constantly auto down the waves are the worst

>>187239748
>carry trying to freeze the lane
>not just holding W and M1 because they have the free last hit card
Sometimes it feels like I'm playing an entirely different game than the rest of you.

>>187239748
>Freezing a lane in v42

You have absolutely no time for that shit, meanwhile the offlaner is STILL lvling up to 5 and getting ready to push your shit in and you haven't touched their tower.

Freezing lane in v42 is a retarded tactic that either get's you and the support killed anyway while still losing your T1 or gives the enemy time to push other lanes with no pressure then allowing them to deathball your T1

>>187233761
She can't gank you if you stay under a tower and have several wards around you and a proper support.

God I wish those things existed in Paragon.

>>187237969
You buy the 300 gold one and place them asap you brainlet.

>>187241965
wow wards for the first 2 minutes of the game only

woow

Or place them then go back to base and lose all that exp and gold wooow

thanks ebin

>>187241897
>God I wish those things still existed in Paragon
ftfy

>>187241897
Now that the cooldown is 90 seconds people might actually use that teleport card. But by the time you can afford it there's rarely anything to teleport to.

Bedtime bump

>the game is entirely dependent on having a good wukong now
neat

>>187233547
i remember asking about minions in an actual paragon stream with a dev. this was pre v42
>Do you think the minions are a bit too strong compared to other mobas? Will you ever compensate or nerf them?
>Actually, we think minions are weaker than other mobas. Next question

literally
just

>>187247393
I want to be shocked & disgusted but I'm just disgusted.

>>187247393
>>187247736
feel free to prove them wrong

>>187247819
>minions have just as much health and damage as heroes at level 1
>minions spawn in waves of nearly fucking 15 and twice as fast as other mobas
>inhibitors dont respawn
>turrets have negative fucking health and minions do bonus damage to them so often one unchecked wave can end the fucking game

>>187248046
>>minions have just as much health and damage as heroes at level 1
just like every other moba wow
>>minions spawn in waves of nearly fucking 15 and twice as fast as other mobas
Like every other moba the later the game gets the stronger the creeps become wooow
>>inhibitors dont respawn
what moba even does this? League? what the fuck kind of moba lets you respawn your "inhibitor"
>>>turrets have negative fucking health and minions do bonus damage to them so often one unchecked wave can end the fucking game
except it takes a shit ton of creeps to even take a tower to half health a nd most of the damage comes from players until at least mid game

Like these creeps have numeral values in damage and health. Actually pull numbers instead of meme shit. People can actually look up your lies you know.

>>187248046
Don't forget once the inhib falls minion waves have like 25% more damage & 40% more HP in addition to the super minion.

>>187248428
Not him but you're right except for towers. Towers are pathetically frail in Paragon. For a game with an offlane map, the towers need to be more like dota's.

Also Paragon used to have respawning inhibitors, that might be what he was talking about. Smite also had/has respawning ones too. I think it still does, but I haven't played in awhile.

which girl has the weirdest fetish?

>>187240504
>>187238574
>>187237969
I keep my lane as close to my tower as possible to starve the offlaner and force them to be out in the open for ganks as much as possible early game.
If that mean that I have to leave the range minion alive for a bit then so be it.
Now I realize there are retarded fucks like you playing, moreso than usual because you think you know the game so you won't listen to anything reasonable
The life of a fucking carry these days

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>mfw I'm Kwang and the enemy Kwang isn't running Godmother only

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Fuck countess what the fuck did the do to this bitch!?
literally got a quadra in a 2v4 fight against my team. fuck this hoe

>>187253003

I do this as Aurora. I keep ice walling our minion wave and the offlaner doesn't know what to do because if they go in for a last hit, I frost them and they take a good chunk from the carry and me for one last hit.

>>187253387

>tfw anytime I play anything other than midlane or support, my team loses
>tfw everytime I play Shinbi in the offlane, I get like 7 kills in the early game but my team still loses because nobody seems to know how to push mid or peel for a carry

Saw my Murdock and Aurora getting ganked across the map and Aurora just straight bolted out of there and her wall of ice even assisted in the ganking of Murdock. Could have at least dropped a hoarfrost on them first before running like a bitch.

>>187253387
she was always good but now they removed stasis gems so she can actually kill people with her ult

>>187253413
See now this is good play, the support Aurora not so much imo but it's A New Dawn™ so whatevs

>>187253273
>not running vamp blade withering shadows thorned yomi/comp rig kwang
plz 1v1 me godmother shitter

>>187253003
>not just buying siege as your first card and getting quick tower for gold for entire team and now you can leave lane since creeps are pushed out so you can go to mid and take quick mid etc and basically play the game/objective

>>187253631
>now they removed stasis gems
Haha no. There's a card for that.

>>187253642
support aurora best aurora

>>187253919
just no one wants to use it

>>187253919
if you blow the team stasis on a shinbi ult then thats a win anyway and i've never seen anyone use the actual stasis gem despite it being in every fucking build pre42

>>187254334
>>187254441
To be honest I've only ever seen it used as a stall for teammates to catch up/set up something real quick.

>>187253761

Yeah, that's not gonna win in a teamfight, homie. I have 5000+ health to start with. You have your regular health and you just gain it back really fast for a short time, which you can't do as well if you are getting stunned and CC'd. Me on the other hand, I get stunned and they're still ticking through thousands of HP before I get to dangerous levels, and by then my team will be there and if they aren't, then the game is probably gonna be a loss anyway because we have no teamfight presence on the map.

>>187253761

>Thinking that a limited time lifesteal boost is going to do better than having a quadrillion health all the time in anything but a duel with someone who can't aim

>>187253761
>>187255848
>Not grabbing the cursed healthregen asap and bully the opposite jungler, carry, and midlaner

>>187253642

>Support Aurora
>Support Iggy
>Support Gadget

It's never been a more horrifying time to be an offlaner than maybe when Phase was in her prime.

A level 1 Gadget can drop 3 mines on you and then a 4th after a few seconds of regen before she is tapped and has to back for mana. 4 Gadget mines landed on a Wukong, even with healing towers, brings him to a mere sliver of health, which makes anything risky.

I know because I've won 4 games today by saying fuck it and going support Gadget. She has minimal peel with her boost and seek and destroy, but it's better than nothing.

>>187256004

Somebody just suggested that to me actually. Cursed Sprykin or whatever it is. I have not even tried a cursed card yet because I don't like the idea of having 1 slot permanently closed, but I guess having Godmother means you have 2 closed anyway if you want the true cheese.

Aurora, Serath or Morigesh? Who is most fun?

>>187256396
that exact order

>>187256253
They mentioned it on the community stream as the reason why they'll be nerfing Kwang. I gave it a go and it's pretty silly how you can just rush it, go to the enemy jungle and force Khaimera out of it.

>>187256460
FUCK I'm so conflicted. Mori shit slinging and ooga booga spells are most interesting to me and serath is cute. I've never played Aurora. Maybe I'll test her in PVE

>>187256396
Morigesh is just so goofy. Because of her hive she can use those white cards to slow and reveal/weaken people for almost 5 seconds. If you take invader mage it means you can totally strip people of their ability armor and kill them whenever you like. Or, since you have a global assassination ultimate you can take that blue card for 350 extra gold on every single kill, since you have plenty of time to wait before they're away from their team.

And if you upgrade the dash first you can get ganked or pulled or whatever and live as long as you have a couple people/creeps to duck through. So much movement speed and health regen without any cooldown means you're basically invincible in lane.

>>187257125
>not just taking toxic and having a free kill everytime its off cd

>>187240504
That is the dumbest thing I have read yet on this general. In v42 where you need to get to 25 ASAP to do anything and where you can't reliably get early picks like you used to, freezing near the tower is 9/10 the correct thing to do.

>>187257125
Thanks for detailed answer. I was leaning toward her already. It's just taken me a week or more to save this damn 500,000 rep and I'm nail-biting over making a bad choice.

Sorvuk Initiate + Cursed Sprykin + that Growth heal boost card I forget the name of (I think it's that one) is somewhat amusing on Rampage.

>>187257125
>white cards
Order cards?

>>187257356
That's almost too unfair. The poison ends up to be like 1800 damage alone, right?
>>187257647
What did they say about the update? I think if you spend the 500k now you'll get a token that's good for any free level. Then it's going to be 25k for rank 1, 50k for rank 2, etc.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I guess that means you'd get way more value out of buying 3 150k heroes and then use the refunded tokens to get those gold keys that would otherwise cost 750k at rank 11.
>>187257872
Yeah, I don't remember their names. Yomi something and they're both 7 int costs.

>>187258095
yeah but toxic can't kill them outright so you just wait for it to tick down and then ult them
>>187257647
dont blow your rep yet if you're new wait for the patch

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>mfw using Possessed Spry Kin and Withering Shadow on Kwang
A fucking terror in the offlane my dudes

>not running all the broken fucking heroes at elocap
literally instant losses. I have lost the last 8 games straight and only dropped 10 elo. Every single one filled with cancerous bullshit and 5 stacks.
'Pros' I queue into and with all hate playing now too but they are too invested to stop. Everything above 1600 elo is fucking soul draining garbage and I haven't heard anything addressing the state of the game up here. I honestly don't think they can save it with a few balance passes, anons. They fucked up things very core to the game and I don't think they have any idea what they are trying to do to get it back.

I just played with a Greystone building Int...with Cryo Agent & OPD.

Cam is going to give me a heart attack.

>>187261682
the game is fucking broken and damaged beyond repair. but you know what? if they removed wukong from the game i might reinstall. tired of having him two shot every inhibitor wave prime and character no matter the build or time of the game

>>187261854
>Greystone
You notice how many times his ult broke?

>7 matches in a row of just shitting on the other team like 30-5 stomps
>followed by 4 straight matches of everyone on my team going 3-10 at best
the forced 50 in this game is the most poorly implemented and glaringly obvious of any games i've ever played

>>187264907
>People still think "Forced 50" is anything but confirmation bias

>>187265615
Forced 50 is a "good thing" anyways. Ideally the game sets up matches that are so balanced that your winrate is always 50%. If your winrate was sub 50% then it should make matches easier until you get to 50% and vice versa.

>>187264907
>>187265615
i almost wish i could get forced 50. i cant get above 30 this patch even playing meme characters

>>187265873
Yeah, that's basic matchmaking. The thing that people think exists is the server going "Oh no, this guy is winning too much, put him in some shit teams so he loses some."

>>187266153
well its easier to blame something else rather than accept you're bad at a game

>>187267094
F

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nighty night /parag/

i desperately need to stick my tongue deep inside aurora's butthole

>>187253819
>against wukongs in soloq
>soloq teammates
Yeah, sure bud

I want to tongue Seraths hairy butthole

>>187265615
>forced 50
sure if the game was more popular and i wasnt playing with the same people every night i would believe it.

>>187276690
How is that an argument against it? Same shit happen in Dota 2.

>>187268164
>>187274042
>>187272372
everyday we stray further from Steve's light

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>Bout to win a "tied" match
>red builds 2 awaken the emeric
>mfw

>>187280667
Steve's gone it's Cam country now Heretic

>>187260202
that fag is getting nerfed Tues. stop

>>187280686
>notice this in tab scoreboard
>wait for them to pop emeric
>pop your own and put that bitch back to sleep

>>187285329
>/ourboy/
>fag
Watch yourself, newfag

Why is no Daddy Issues so underwhelming?

>>187285781
Literally built for v42, you're just bad bb.

post link

riktor legit hard crashes my game no matter what I do. No matter whose team he is on if he appears on my screen I will randomly crash. He is my favorite hero and my only rank 10 and since v42 I can't fucking play him. The wonderful lads over at epic told me to reinstall and fuck off because they got no clue. How do people really think epic is a great dev team?

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>>187286094
You're right about that, I had to resort to Baelica support to stop losing.

>>187286632
Aggressive support best support, especially in this meta.

>>187287338
I had no idea people played Belica support, only seen her mid. She's my go-to pick if I'm forced into playing support.

>>187287795
Yeah, Nibori played her well as support during a PCL. Just have to land those Seismic Assaults and you're set. Void Drone is fantastic at zoning out ganks if you level it a little, and her bomb let's you poke the shit out of the enemy offlaner without drawing aggro.

>>187287795
She's perfect. She has a 2.2 sec stun stopping anyone trying to gank the carry and a bomb that takes off a bunch of health on a minion wave without killing them, allowing your carry to push harder and faster. Even if you won't kill anyone with her drone it's enough to make enemies back away. And you don't need any offensive cards for her ultimate to hit hard.

>>187293476
I agree

>start the game with taskmaster on both carry and support
>

>>187196159
what happened? What did I miss?

>>187296316
Most likely minor nerfs on Tuesday.

>>187295281
I suppose it could be a good way to starve the Offlaner of xp or force the wave back in the ADC's direction so they can constantly freeze. Minion denial is a thing in other moba's, right?

>>187286442
Have a friend who can't play murdock ever since Age of intellect dropped.
till this day he still can't play him,otherwise he d/c until the game is over because he gets constantly kicked out.

>>187300812
Why is this shit so prevalent?

fast board bump

>>187306635
Weekend ded thread bump

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>>187191592
I played a few games with the build anon and I have to say it works phenemonally well. Although I will say until you get Shadow Zinx is incredibly weak doesn't contribute anything. The impact you make when you get it is so drastic it might be worth drafting her in the first place if you have a heavy team fight comp.

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>tfw no apex predator bushbae skin

>>187312443
You'll take your Pocahontas skin and LIKE IT.

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>Gideon and Mori only effective in team fights
>alone can't chunk high health enemies enough to discourage pursuit or attacks on towers before mana dries
>no surviving being focused by high attack speed carry output long enough to string your slight damage together and win
>escape moves don't remove you from fight with many heroes
>Midlane defense against Belica or Iggy is a nightmare, not even counting if they have good support or not.

Man this sucks

>"Here's our new Hero! SilenceMan!"
mfw

jungle shinbi rushing Gag Order and then tanking up a bit is fucking broken lads.

You can just waltz into the support+carry and 100-0 one of them (silencing the support almost always) and unload your full combo before the support's able to do anything.

>>187315468
>intllect on shinbi.
gross
growth death or go home.

>>187215126
yes indeed

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>>187315667
E X P A N D T H E M E T A

>>187318927
retard

>>187318927
>6gems
Huh?

Just started playing and liking Aurora on the offlane quite a bit. Only playing against AI and early game I do struggle against the enemy carry and support but once I get some healing buffs from cards and ability points I find my groove.

Quick question, what is her Q ability good for? Does it increase movement speed for allies, make enemies move slower/slip or is it just for a quick move in to kill on a low health enemy?

>>187321452
Aurora is shit mate
overnerfed garbage, just a walking ult

>>187320954
https://youtu.be/ksP-JuoZihA?list=PL2gsit7i8tgOjaB1eGuta-3z8BHMnNCIW&t=1123

>mid plat solo que
>3 carries on our team, their carry is Wu off
>ours is Wu left, Murdock right, Grim mid
>think this may be a shitshow as we'll get fucked before we get close to 25 agility
>annihilate the other team and win before 25 agi or even 25 minutes
The 3 carry meme is real more than ever.

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>>187321452
Q is an easy escape/initiate and you can do some wall off type shenanigans with it due to how it interacts with the environment. good luck with best girl

any tips for Twinblast? skill order?cards?

>>187324879
put 1 point in grenades first but then ignore them the rest of the match until they're the only thing left, they're good for really early game poke and worthless after that. high crit builds sync well with his kit

>>187324879
His dash is nuts. Love it.

hey /parag/ how's the weekend going

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I know for a fact that some of you fucks have a Reddit account, so I need you to do me a solid: https://www.reddit.com/r/paragon/comments/6w85ns/matchtime_analytics_a_comparison_between_pre_and/
This thread is pretty fucking damning and indicative of what's wrong this update, but the only responses are from the two professional Epic dicksuckers (Autistic Iggy Main and cum-gargling faggot_Landa).
One of you, please add something to the conversation that isn't sycophantic fellating of Epic's ridculous obsession with turning the game into a brawler.
Christ I hate Reddit and how just a few cunts can steer the whole ship if they hang around long enough.

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>>187330754
Pretty sure that Iggy is Cam on an alt account
He posted this unironically

>>187312443
>tfw no unbroken spirit Grux skin

>>187333710
It would not surprise me. Cam was visibly pissed off on the last community corner, I'd definitely believe he has a propaganda account designed specifically to make things seem better than they are.
I visit that pit of meme-shitters to see if any of the obvious problems with the game are being brought up, and any time they are it's always the same half-dozen people defending everything Epic does. It's maddening.

>>187334235
>Cam was visibly pissed off on the last community corner
I picked up on that too. I think at this point he knows his delusional vision of Paragon isn't as good as he thought.
Where the fuck is Steve?

>>187334843
I really wish he'd come back in at least some kind of supervisory role, but the fact that he just up and disappeared and there's literally no information about it anywhere leads me to believe that he didn't part ways with Epic on good terms.
I don't know, maybe his contract just ran out and he's one of those folks that isn't inclined to use social media, but there's no mention of it anywhere.

>>187334843
#bringbacksuperville

im depressed, why do i always get the dumbfucks that don't know how to play? the one time i got a nice team, one fuckin idiot leaves and I LOSE ANYWAY, fuckin shit's impossible

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>>187336379
forgot image

>>187336552
If you care about quality games, don't play late at night, on the weekend or during new hero release week. God help you if you try for all three.
I find clicking the "Elo/ KDA" tab at the top right gives you a better overview of things, but that's just me

>>187337143
i know, just wanted to show how many matches i lost

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>>187337434
I generally go out of my way to hide it, but whatever puts the blood in it for you.

Weekend bump.

>>187330754
good, the only reason matches lasted longer than 35 minutes before was because the game design forced them too or the match was a bunch of bronze shitters. 5 hour long shitfests were boring and the fact they were even slightly common at any point is a great example of why the game needed to change

>>187340940
Unironically recommending that you play Overwatch: the games last maybe ten minutes each, you'll love it.

>>187341639
why dont you play an RTS game? sick of this bullshit, the game length is slightly shorter than the most popular MOBA, at the highest level its a difference of 3 minutes. are you gonna tell them to quit playing their hero brawler and go back to overwatch? strawman more you dumb faggot, if sitting there for hour after hour for one match was a popular feature do you think they would have changed it or do you think a multi million dollar game dev just decided to change something to piss everyone else off?
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/game-durations
5 hour long matches aren't fun, ricing lanes for 40 minutes before you can do anything isn't fun, legacy isn't coming back its been a year now, fuck off an uninstall. you liked it because it let you screw up 25 times before you lost instead of 3-4 like every other fucking game to ever exist.

>>187343113
DoTA2 consistently averages at 40+ minutes, compared to v42's 28.
>conlfating what's popular with what's good
Now who's pulling strawmen out of their ass? v42 is all about dat causal market:
>gems that remove penalties on attacking while moving
>free positoning with low-cost stealth cards in a low-vision meta
>fucking multishot so you don't have to aim
>attacking 4 times a second late game and tiny cooldownsso you don't need mechanical skill
>minion waves spawning more frequently and doing more damage to the already shitty towers
>tiny map so lane commitment is an afterthought
>Orb and Raptors are a joke
>jungle s the most non-threatening, least demanding role ever
But please, tell me more about this super deep tactical game where the tiniest mistakes are seized on by pro players to end the game with surgical precision (if the latest PCL is any indication, even the "pros" are shit).

>>187344448
>argue about match lengths
>get btfo
>type up a diatribe about how casual the game is as if that has any relevance to anything.

>DoTA2 consistently averages at 40+ minutes, compared to v42's 28.
then go play it and fuck off no one will miss you linking to reddit posts you make and begging for upvotes for your shitposts because you can't even argue with the braindead users on that website

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>>187345137
>argues that match length is related to player skill while ignoring that the game has been dumbed down significantly
>given reasons why matches can be won on the backs of a few tiny mistakes as a result of the game being shit but can't see past his own superiority to understand how the two are related
>gets handed a number that refutes the foundation of his initial argument
>"f-fuck off Reddit"
>sits back and starts masturbating
Outstanding.

>>187344448
>minion waves spawning more frequently and doing more damage to the already shitty towers
>tiny map so lane commitment is an afterthought
These two things directly contradict eachother. Stick to making meme videos about Cam for your reddit pals instead of ducking in here to try to brigade just because you don't like the game now fucciboi

>>187346590
>>argues that match length is related to player skill while ignoring that the game has been dumbed down significantly
so are you denying this or do you think match times decreasing in every game across the board the higher up you go is just some magical coincidence?
>>given reasons why matches can be won on the backs of a few tiny mistakes
i LITERALLY supported this happening like it does in every other game.
>gets handed a number that refutes the foundation of his initial argument
the foundation of my argument was that matches were barely shorter than league matches and you decided the counter to that was dota2
>"f-fuck off Reddit"
yes please do you're obviously retarded and autistic like everyone else who posts there as evidenced by your posts and smug chink cartoon girl image

>>187346719
>wave is pushing against you
>take 5 seconds to correct it and then leave to join whatever shitty brawl is happening
>the enemy team sends someone to correct it when it gets to them a short time later
It's a very slow tennis game that requires just the slightest commitment every couple of minutes. If a minion wave makes it into the tower, they will chew it up. The two are separate but part of the same problem, try to keep up.
>some conspiracy shit about videos and actually having a Reddit account
Okay, you believe what you want faggot. If you don't go to the Paragon Reddit for news on this shitshow, you're in the minority.

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>>187347413
>so are you denying this or do you think match times decreasing in every game across the board the higher up you go is just some magical coincidence?
I could solve a 20 piece jigsaw puzzle in under a minute, it doesn't mean it isn't meant for children and idiots.
>i LITERALLY supported this happening like it does in every other game
You LITERALLY supported ADC's not needing to aim to have an impact on fights, and the jungle being the equivalent of a special ed' class?
>the foundation of my argument was that matches were barely shorter than league matches
Your exact wording was "the most popular moba". Numbers may say League, but that's besides the point since, I'll remind you, popularity does not equal quality. DoTA2 is one of the biggest "esports" mobas on the market, and 40 minute games don't make that any less true.
>smug chink cartoon girl image
Specially selected to get that exact response.

>>187347510
>It's a very slow tennis game that requires just the slightest commitment every couple of minutes. If a minion wave makes it into the tower, they will chew it up. The two are separate but part of the same problem, try to keep up.
...Yeah? Thats what a MOBA is past the first 5-10 minutes, you dont literally sit in lane the whole game. You can't can't imply the lanes don't matter and then say the minion waves are too strong. (which they arent anyway the minion waves are pathetically weak late game unless they're 6-7 of them stacked up) You're just proving the point of you wanting hour long laning fests with no action which doesn't happen in any game.
>some conspiracy shit about videos and actually having a Reddit account
Not really a conspiracy when you have some shitty meme video about Cam on your profile. This isn't your little secret safespace, don't come running here to get your shitposts off and beg for people to back you up you little bitch

>>187345137
>>187347413
gb2 CoD you ADD casual pos

>>187348203
>You LITERALLY supported ADC's not needing to aim to have an impact on fights, and the jungle being the equivalent of a special ed' class?
rev was the best carry in this game for 2 months and the jungle was never been anything than a small hallway with 3 camps so you're arguing about kiting, which took 5 minutes to understand. i think it'd take you more like 20 minutes for that jigsaw puzzle if you think kiting was a massive achievement.
>Your exact wording was "the most popular moba". Numbers may say League,
so im right
>I'll remind you, popularity does not equal quality.
yeah justin bieber sucks and your sister is stupid for liking him we get it graduate middle school
>DoTA2 is one of the biggest "esports" mobas on the market, and 40 minute games don't make that any less true.
guess what the biggest is? heres a hint its league of legends

>>187348409
dont worry im better at that game than you too even though i havent played it for 5 years

>>187348320
You're being reductive: a tiny map, with easily killed but fast-paced minion waves and weak towers. You can't have all three and a reasonably paced game at the same time. Lanes don't matter because minions win games off the backs of the constant team fights. Lane commitment is low because map traversal is so easy, and people are gambling on winning the team fights and being able to reset lanes. This is obviously what a moba's all about, but the balance is too heavily-skewed towards the team fight aspect with the changes to TTk, attack speed and cooldowns.
>Not really a conspiracy when you have some shitty meme video about Cam on your profile
Stop assuming that I'm actually the same person that made that thread just because it strengthens your "us vs them" bullshit. Reddit are faggots, but I like the irony that you're talking about safe spaces when you can't even entertain the possibility of branching out to get your news from another site.

>>187348862
>rev was the best carry in this game for 2 months
And he was rightly decried as a casual magnet favoured by people that can't aim.
>so you're arguing about kiting, which took 5 minutes to understand
Not the point. However easy the role may have been beforehand, can you honestly say it's better now? Kiting may not have been extremely complex (there's actually an optimal kiting pattern, but let's ignore for the sake of the narrative), but there's absolutely nothing required to play jungle now: you can leave the place clear with full health and green buff in under two and a half minutes.
>so im right
Insofar as your narrow wording shaped an outcome where you couldn't be wrong without considering the comparable example, yeah, I suppose you are.
>guess what the biggest is?
Again, popularity doesn't equal quality. In fact, it's often the opposite. Epic want Paragon to be popular with people that don't really care for moba's, so they're making it as soft and non-threatening as possible. Their strategy to reach that level of popularity is to market the game to retards who couldn't fathom the idea of playing a game for more than a half hour where something exciting isn't constantly happening.

Christ, it's /bbg/'s Loranon's zebra posting all over again.

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>>187351552
Funnily enough, I'm watching a Bloodborne playthrough right now poorfag with no PS4 here.

>>187351552
u wut m8

>>187352552
I'm guessing that
>zebra posting
is when you post like
>this
for large blocks of text
>where every point
is something you respond to

>all this shitposting
Anyone seriously defending the current state of Paragon is absolutely a casual shitter, which is Cam's demographic apparently. I really hope they hurry with this pve mode so you faggots can stay contained in there.

Also to the retard who cited LoL match times, the big difference is how the game is structured. LoL has very clear important objectives and a larger map that helps keep the pace of the game steady. So even though games are averaging at 28 minutes, it isn't a clusterfuck mosh pit for 20 of those minutes.
Paragon is literally
>durr me take tower in 5 min
>we rotate mid now
>*fight for 20 minutes until one of the wukongs backdoor a core*
It's fucking shit

Legacy was shit too and anyone who wants to go back is retarded. The only good thing about Legacy was the map, and even that had problems, but it was better than the playground Monolith is.

is zinx good or not?

>>187354521
She's virtually unkillable without a sustained effort by an enemy team if you build her right, but she does next to no damage. Kind of like a pure tank Greystone, except furry, and with an annoying sound effect every time you get hit after level 5.

>>187355217
you sure uz im positive a shinbi with plage lord and mellenk gnasher would kill her easy

>>187355605
I mean unless you counter her, sure. She can stand under an inhib almost indefinitely and tank basics like a champ.

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>sparrow zechin hunter skin
>dat tan
>dat tummy
>dat back exposure

>>187358918
I recognize that platform.

>>187358918
How do I make my game look like this? It's either stupidly jaggy or the screen looks like someone smeared grease all over it.

Guys what are the must have cards for mid lane?

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>>187359434
Turn on anti-aliasing and stop smearing grease on your screen.

>>187359487
Advanced Evolution and Manaflow Acolyte.

>>187359434
I have everything set to Epic and I get the same thing. It looks blurry as fuck. PS4 version doesn't have this problem, but it lacks ambient occlusion and decent AA on foliage.

>>187359771
>intellect

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So how do we fix towers? They're a total non-threat mid/late game. I've walked right under them as Greystone/Khaimera/Wukong/Feng, gotten a kill, and waddled out without taking worthwhile damage. They seem way too weak.

>>187360520
Make them rapid-fire machine gun turrets. Or have them lock on and shoot 3 consecutive shots at enemy heroes that come under them without minions, and have those 3 shots home even if the hero leaves the tower circle.

>>187360520
For one the more shots you take the more damage they should do. Like 100->150->250->400.

Numbers randomly pulled out of my ass of course.

>>187359969
>>187359434
Sometimes machines just can't render things as they should, but it's also possible it's your card's video settings. Try your Nvidia control panel or whatever you have.

>>187361521
Pretty sure that's how it used to be on Legacy/
It's been a while.

>>187361693
I miss having to respect towers. That & Gideon ulting not automatically being near-certain death are two of the biggest things I miss about Legacy.

>>187361927
The Legacy tower radius was great. Fuck it, apart from a few very small gripes, that map was fucking perfect, and there was nothing wrong with the game that some number changes couldn't have fixed at that point. But no, Cam couldn't deal with any reminders of Steve's plans for the game and had to put the whole thing into cold storage.

murdock/greystone boxing match when

>>187362531
They changed to Mono when Steve was still there. I was down at the stuido last June and they were already playtesting the new map. Mono was a thing for a really really long time.

>>187361927
>we don't want CC immunity in Paragon :))

fuck you too steve, I'm glad you died.

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>>187357602
>anon of quality taste in these harsh times

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>pick Greystone to support our ADC because it actually works
>Morigesh is ADC, Sev in jungle, Countess in off lane, Grim in mid
>we're absolutely dominating

>suddenly

>Morigesh leaves our lane, leaving me with a Wukong that's 6 levels higher than me
>Sev hugs off lane instead of jungling, crippling the Countess' XP feed
>Wukong snowballs
>Sev keeps dying
>we get blown out
>my face

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bedtime mommy bump

disguised bump

>187371983
>pick Greystone to support our ADC because it actually works
how

Nothing like late-night Paragon.
>eta to draft is several minutes
>actual time is several minutes more
>as soon as the last person picks, draft aborted
>rinse and repeat 2-5 times between matches

I guess it's bed time.

>>187373615
The usual suspects aren't turning up any sources
Who's the picasso of this pic?

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Will I get more than 1 mastery token if I buy additional ranks before the patch or will I only get 1 regardless of how many I buy?

>>187366913
Huh, that throws the whole thing up in the air. What in God's name is going on with this game's development?

Anyone know when the next patch is planned to come out?

>>187392997
Tuesday

Hey guys, I quit shortly after Phase's release because I cannot get any enjoyment out of a match that has a Phase in it, on either team. Has she been nerfed to unplayable status yet? Is it safe to come back?

>>187395801
phase is garbage now but don't worry, other characters are justas broken or even more broken than her now.

>>187396308
That's fine as long as it's not Phase I can deal with the brokenness

>>187396434
Well, prepare for a learning experience, anon: it's basically a different game right now.

man that last community corners where they clearly said they wanted to streamline the game and reduce the time of a round even more is really terrible
they should just turn it into a paladins clone, i wouldn't mind that at all because i love paladins, but i liked the slow MOBA it was in v41.

>>187398661
Community corners have become less of a way for me to find out more about what's going on, and more of a test of my faith in humanity.

>>187389920
You SHOULD get one for each rank lower than 4(?) you've bought.

>>187395801
>Has she been nerfed to unplayable status yet?
narb and muriel are back to being best supports
>Is it safe to come back?
no there are even more op characters now

>>187385370
firebrand sfm

>>187398401
Jesus you weren't kidding
How did they manage to make the card system even more convoluted and unintuitive
Also they gave me about a billion free rep but there doesn't appear to be literally anything purchasable with rep anymore? or am I missing something?

>>187408537
the power of cam

>>187408537
The new system is actually easier to learn than the old one. You purchase mastery ranks with rep (each individual rank if you didn't pre-patch, otherwise it's after 10), which is 500k-750k a pop, so those millions will gone before you even establish a new waifu.

>>187408537
you still buy masteries with rep, but other than that theres not much to do with it for veterans. what problems are you having with the card system though its pretty easy to figure out

>>187409349
I guess I just got overwhelmed with it at first but now that I'm taking a closer look you're right, it seems pretty simple.

>>187409339
adding on to this don't buy any new masteries until tuesday because they're currently horribly overpriced.

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>>187409474
>Currently
They'll be overpriced after the patch as well. Now instead of directly pissing in your mouth Epic is only pissing on your face.

>>187409645
how? paying 500k to unlock level 1 so you might get some cards and have a hero pool of 2 whole characters you could now play was bullshit. paying 750k to get a golden key is fine. you can unlock 10 masteries as soon as you hit that 250k rep daily now if you're new and they give you some for free on top of that.

>>187225438
i havent played in like a week and i just log on for daily rewards. after the next balance patch we'll see if i want to return. just sick and tired of how broken wukong gets.

i guess i'll do the bumping this sunday morning

>>187410239
The 500k for ranks 5-10 is still ridiculously steep, though. It was a pretty cynical move on Epic's part to make the original sum so astronomically high across the board, then act like heroes when they reduce the early levels to be more reasonable. In reality, it's still a disgustingly overinflated system, but people won't notice that for a while, and since people play at different rates, the outrage will be staggered and diffused so there won't be any sustained organised campaign against it. I'm not sure if Epic were smart enough to plan it all out like that, but that's how things have ended up.

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>hop up on Wu as mori
>keep marking him
>he realizes he losing more health than he can sustain
>ult him
>don't quite kill him
>manage to hit him with a hive as he uses all his get away for free buttons
>the dot kills him halfway back to his base
Felt good lads

>>187416425
Mori with Bladeturn is pretty great, too, especially against Kallari and Wukong where it's a millisecond race to burst each other down.

>>187416318
oh yeah its still prime kikery and the original system was indefensible, but now at least when you're really forced to grind or pay you're just getting a shinier crown or some keys instead of being locked out of 100% necessary items required to play the game.

>>187410239
If you didn't have a mastery unlocked before the patch you're still paying for every single fucking level. They only dialed back the retarded changes slightly because people complained enough.

>>187416738
Why does epic talk about how the "numbers just aren't there" for how broke countess is? When I got oneshot by countess before v42 I knew that she was using her full combo and that drained her mana. It's not necessarily that she's a burst caster, it's more her basic ability isn't fun to fight and the counter play is just "just use these cards to silence her and gank her." Getting oneshot in any game isn't fun, let alone a "tactical game" like a moba.

>>187416425
mori with toxic is a great monkey counter. its a shame you still lose even if you counter him if the game goes past 30 minutes since his passive will let him max 2 attributes by then and have a full shield build plus vamp blade on top of that