/parag/ - Paragon General

I fucking hate this game.

where the fuck is drongo, it's been a month and some change since zinx.

>>186711852
Iggy rework took the place of new hero for 42's launch. They announced it ahead of time.

Anyway: Howitzer's master skin a shit. That is all.

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i feel like they are getting tired of making this game and are just gonna go for a big cash grab. like the devs comments on balance read like bad jokes at this point, and they clearly don't care about their playerbase.

JLeo was salvaging his reputation after the Kwang play last tourney, but holy shit.

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So the Borderlands dude is the next hero, but I want more fantasy shit after him. Give us a ghost samurai or a dude with a lightsaber. Give us a dragon person. Give us personality.

>>186712459
That looks fun, I wish I was playing that game.

>>186712459
>one week left of summer
>only one summer themed skin for twinblast
>no summer beach fun skins for any of the girls
feels bad lads. maybe next year

>>186714156
Paragon: Extreme Beach Volleyball coming Summer 2018!

Since new dawn I have an issue where if I'm killed while running, I can never go full speed again for the entirety of the rest of the match. I'm permanently just stuck running as though I was just rapid-mashing my W key. anyone know what could cause this?

>>186714060
I want a ninja. An actual, Ryu Hayabusa ninja. Not that abomination that is Kallari.

>literal master league players who were just at epic HQ say countess and iggy are completely broken
>but muh winrates

>>186716951
3-5 months internal testing, who cares what professional players bending the rules and pushing to extreme know, we're the devs we know better we made the game we aren't wrong ANALYTICS > EVERYTHING !

you dare question numbers? they don't like even though the system probably doesn't take into account the reason there's a 50% win rate is because both teams have the same hero and one of them has to win.

>>186719021
I think agora.gg discounts mirrors, but yeah: the metrics are dumb and Epic are dumber.

>>186716951
I'd like to see pickrates on those heroes because >>186719021 is right. I can't imagine iggy, countess, and kallari (let's ignore wukong because I literally, out of the 50 some games I've played since new dawn, have not seen a single game without one)being anywhere below 85% pick rate.

>>186715739
I think it would be cool if your normal attack was always a consistent speed but at different breakpoints you'd get another shadow/illusion that attacks right after you for a double/triple hit.
What about the dumb ninja kite or an izuna drop?

>>186716951
They probably think people are so stupid to believe that only winrates are a balance issue. In HotS even though Genji had a 35-45% winrate he just got a bunch of nerfs because he also had almost 100% pick/ban rate in competitive games. Just because people could beat him and some people played him poorly it doesn't mean that he wasn't the safest and most effective character in the game.

>>186716951
>iggy getting nerfed
>countess isn't
Really makes me think

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If you're playing Sev, get Thunder cleaver asap. You will start getting those stacks so fast.

>>186721636
no you fucking won't.
>get thunder cleaver
>try to lower one mob down to siphon health
>it's down
>other mobs are just out of siphon range
>hit one then the other, they both die
>siphon them twice, takes tons of MP
sev is just fucked.

>>186719021
epic's data accounts for mirrors, the problem is that it doesn't account for the actual skill level. like revenant for example they said even in non mirrors his winrate was barely over 50% but then they acknowledged that if you account for non mirror winrate within the top 1% of players it was something astronomical like 78%.
they think its ok for countess to have a 450dmg dark tide at level 6 because danny dumbfuck in bronze is 0-9 playing her

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>>186716951
I called this shit. I work with Epic because they're publishing my game and mentioned that Iggy, Countess, and Kallari are broken.

>>186712459
... Does Gideon really have a hole in his hand?

>>186719726
>countess porn getting popular and epic makes her broken
>aurora gets a new fanservice skin and cam says on the CC she's getting buffs soon
epic isn't dumb overwatch taught game devs how far a good waifu roster can take your game. expect to see serath buffs soon

>>186723623
hi intern glad you finally decided to post. thanks for sneaking in some /parag/ related content into the game over the past few months

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>>186723649
He has teleportals in his hands to summon the meteorites.

how much longer until we get leaks on Hydro?

>>186723649
Fuck if I know about him having holes in them but one of the skins - his master I think - references implants going deeper or some shit.

>>186722617
>because danny dumbfuck in bronze is 0-9 playing her
kek

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>>186723649
>>186725830
>>186726580

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Ring a ding ding I wanna make Sparrow sing.

>>186712459
that thotty looking dekker is doing things to me

>>186727754
Is Dekker some kind of asian?

>>186712916
What is Countess doing here
Is this an anime

>>186728035
is that not obvious?

>>186728479
If it was I wouldn't be asking fuckboy.

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>>186728035
>>186728580
Not the guy(s) you're replying to but I'm gonna go with 'Yes'.

>>186728580
are you retarded friend?

>>186728069
its from a link someone posted in the last thread. i think on the steam site somewhere if you want to find it. its a model someone made.

>>186728580
Save that sass for your playstation IMs

which girls have innies and which have beef curtains?

so ded

>>186733926
Aurora and Serath got that deli meat no doubt.

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I never really messed with Revenant before v42 but I could have sworn the higher your attack speed was the faster his reload was supposed to be. I ask since I fucked about with him some in a bot game and the reload didn't seem to have much of a difference even at 25 Agility or earlier when activating Overclocked Droid.

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>pick Cybernetic Spider-Man
>stuck in the right lane with Elsa
>Bloodrayne takes mid, spends half the match whining about my choice and tells me I should have picked McReaper or Dante from Devil May Cry™
>I finish 5-0-6 with 182 minion kills
>he finishes 2-8-0 with 160 minion kills

>>186737687
that is how it's supposed to be. Seems like they just didn't fuck with it at all though. As such I play rev in offlane as an ability caster and he works pretty damn swell.

>>186714290

>Wanting immersion breaking silly skins

This is why we have Rampage in a tank top and frat boy Twinblast and not cool skins.

>>186739932
>immersion
This is a game that has a random soldier dude fighting against a literal demigod.

>>186738245
Rev I can understand but why didn't you pick Twin?

>>186740015
>Not believing in the god-slaying power of operating

shiggy

>>186740483
Because I picked second (Countess picked fourth), and the only person who had their slot reserved was Le Monkey Face in the off lane.

>>186728035
Her name is literally "Harue Dekker"

HARUE

>>186733926
>innie
sparrow mori serath kallari
>outie
fey countess aurora dekker yin
>the full roast
phase gadget shinbi belica

>>186719021
How many devs are good at their own game compared to the top 25% of players?

>>186743153
in mobas? 0

>>186741858
>implying shinbi didn't sign a virginity and hymen check contract
c'mon son.
>>186743153
Very few. Usually devs think solely in the way that they intend the game to play, and as such fail to see glaring exploits or broken things in the game. Like, you know, kallari and wukong. Or to put it in another example, wavedashing in melee, or perhaps the jungle machete in let it die, or if you're so inclined, testbug in simgirl.

>>186743973
>implying shinbi didn't sign a virginity and hymen check contract
>c'mon son.
that's not how vaginas work

>>186743153
based john romero used to hold doom deathmatch tourneys just so he could shit on people at his own game

ded

>>186723623
what game niggy?

>>186725830
can he transport his dick into someones pussy?

>>186747313
He can transport his dick to the cold depths of outer space, I guess.

>>186747313
That's how he fathered Iggy.

>>186744164
you don't known idols senpai

>>186747508
>you don't known idols senpai
you can have a outie and still be a virgin

>>186738245
WHAT
who are all of these people
cybernetic spider man is ???
elsa is aurora
bloodrayne is countess
mcreaper is revenant
dante from devil may cry is twin blast?

>>186747803
not on 4chan

>>186747829
wraith is cyber. I'm not sure about Dante, guessing he meant Kwang

>>186747904
are they really stupid?

bedtime bump

Do you think Paragon has the space for creative hero design?

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>>186749351
yes but i don't think the dev team is necessarily capable
pic not rly related just wanted to post a pic

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everytime i win while playing as wukong i get the same feeling i get after i cum and then realize what i jerked too

>>186749351
I think the characters we have now are so bland that an actually interesting hero would just break the game.

>>186749845
https://youtu.be/nW-Grdn2pDA

>>186749845
Wukong is my main, and the character that got me back into the game after I took a break (after Kwang came out), so I'm fine with him being broken. The only problem I have is this: if I feel like playing as someone else, and someone on the enemy team picks him yet nobody on my team does, I HAVE to or else we're severely disadvantaged. Again, he's my main and I'm really good with him so it doesn't bother me too much, but every once in awhile I feel like playing someone else (usually either Kwang or a caster) and it sucks when I have to roll Wukong.

Oh my FUck even with full build whenever I play carry I just tickle the other team by the time I come online. Every single build. Give me your ranged carry builds please.

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>>186749351
Alright, so I found a list of the most interesting heroes floating around. I wonder if Paragon could come up with a dude that's even half as interesting. The cut off characters are:
2) Invoker - combines 3 elements in different orders to create up to 10 unique abilities. Each one is powerful and you can fire them off pretty quickly if you have fast fingers.

3) Abathur- super weak slug that can set invisible landmines and spawn units every once in a while. He can become immobile to infest any allied unit on the map and cast a new set of abilities from their location. Ultimate ability makes a clone of a character on your team with 20% better stats for 20 seconds.

4) Orianna's skills place a ball on the field and reposition it or call it back to her. Her abilities are cast from the ball and you have to be careful you position it to fend off enemies without leaving yourself open.

6) Rubick - his ultimate ability steals the last ability an enemy casts lasting until he dies or for several minutes. Including ultimate abilities and silly things like Syllabear's permanent summon that counts as a hero and has its own inventory of items.

7) Chen - tames up to 4 jungle monsters which all have their own passive and active abilities. You have to effectively play all 5 characters to their strengths if you want to match up to the other heroes.

10)Techies - Character lays down invisible proximity mines that hit like a truck or stun you for like 5 seconds. If you have vision each one gives you a bunch of gold but he also has a minefield sign that makes them undetectable and you never know if mines are actually there or not.

>>186754770
>Techies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzeUeJejHXM

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>>186754591
there is no build. 25 agility, put on cards that up your damage. its that simple, and if that doesn't work figure something else out. positioning is pretty much the only skill left for carries at this point.
you CAN put on that damage becomes shield card wukong uses and get a bit more survivability.
i like to use that one that makes you do 300% damage, but its not as good as the crit card BUT i like doing it on murdock so i can delete people from afar with his long range passive. would be useful to poke in lane if the "laning phase" of this game lasted more than 3 minutes before it becomes monkey wars + murderball around the map. not saying its a good idea just saying its what i do.

>>186754770
HOTS has some interesting designs, chogall is interesting in concept but really it's just an overpowered guy who takes up 2 slots. It's not much different than Gundam Vs or any other game where you can have a more powerful character but you lose more resources if you die.

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>auto shield
>armored
>sacred alchemy
>Mallenk's Tribute

WHO THE FUCK THOUGH THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA WITH NO FUCKING COUNTERS?

>>186757082
The card system in general feels like it has a lot of problems and is probably part of why the characters feel so bland.

>>186756361
They probably put him on the list because two people in one character is 100% unique. Other characters like Mina or Empath play similarly but then they can split any time they want while Cho'gall is permanently one less body on the map to contest objectives and soak exp. I agree he really isn't very interesting to play compared to other characters.

>>186757082
Holy fuck dude, I just found out today that this game has an auto-shield and a spell-shield and it makes me so mad because I don't have either of them. I don't even have lifesteal or sacred alchemy but I have 1000 copies of some cards.

>>186694345
>Every time I hold my breath and go to Reddit for news
i hate that i have to go here to get news on this game

is there an easy way to know what cards you're missing? all of mine are like 23/24 or whatever. i'm level 39 or 40.

>>186757885
He probably fits on a top 10-15 but it looks like they put him at #1 which is weird. Smite has a bunch that should probably be there, though the game overall is kind of mediocre there's a ton of interesting designs. Like Ne Zha you have to play a rhythm game for one of his abilities.

>>186758042
there was a card from every affinity removed after the PTR because they were even more broken than the ones we got. everyone has 23/24 so you already have them all.

What are some good non-Godmother Kwang builds?

>>186758357
the "get to level 25" build.

>>186758154
I was never big into Smite but way back when I played it wasn't very complex. Maybe they've changed it since.
The skill that left the most impact on me was WuKong's 72 transformations. It's the only skill in the entire game that makes use of the over the shoulder camera. If you target close to you you become and ox that's immune to CC and knocks people out of the way. A medium distance transforms you into a cheetah that runs faster and has a stunning rend attack when you make contact with an enemy. Then if you aim a long ways away from you you become an eagle that moves super quickly but can't turn very well.

>>186758357
sacalc+mallenks tribute
vamp blade+damage

>>186758790
Smite isn't very complex at it's core but I would rate the hero design above average for the genre

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goodnight /parag/

>>186758862
Oh sorry, I meant to say that Ne Zha's ultimate wasn't very complex. What made him difficult was having 2 skillshots that were absolutely paper thin and an ultimate that just didn't work 50% of the time.
I liked the idea behind the aligator guy but he was unplayable back when I tried it out. Serqet is like a way more fun version of the countess though. Same ult but with the awesome zigzag dash and jumping over walls and shit.

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>>186758357
Some anon posted this

>>186758175
ok but actually growth and death say 23 of 23, and the rest say 22 of 23.

i hate narbash (actually i love narbash, i hate playing him though) but i have like every narbash skin. why is life like this?

Mommy fucking sucks now. I remember she could easily crit for over 800 with fairly decent attack speed late game, and she felt like an all-in skillful hero that rewarded knowing the little things like proper positioning and watching the initiator so you can q through their ult or whatever or in 1v1 situation like shinbi q'ing through her ult.

Now everything is so wacky and retarded it feels like everyone just deletes her late-game before she can even get close and even if she does get close they can just turn around and fuck her. She used to be the deleter. Wtf happened.

>>186757963
It's not even an "us vs them" thing, they're just so fedora-tier, and that's before you get to all the shills and dicksuckers that back up every stupid decision Epic make, time after time. They're like fucking pod people.

>>186760408
>>186758175
ok i found out even though some of my things say 22/23 that i actually have 23 cards. idk why. some are right, some are wrong, but i have everything.

>>186714060
Go play fucking dota then, Paragon is supposedly sci-fi, I want more sci-fi heroes god damn it! Give us some aliens Epic! Ones not looking atrocious like Zinx

>>186760463
Same here but with Steel. The game apparently really wants me to play him, but I hate tanks and he's probably the most boring tank of them all

Ahhhhh just had such a beautiful comeback game. I knew we had it the whole time but my team was trying to surrender. The thing was it was bascially just me and a mirror match murdock, and I was outfarming him so bad so I knew we could do it, even though the rest of their team was wrecking our really bad iggy and destroying mid lane. But they couldn't quite get me with narbash supporting me so in the end I steamrolled them (with help from my team of course it wasn't like aaaaaalllllllllll me). Those games feel so good.

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Should have probably posted this during higher traffic hours, but I'm off to work soon, so whatever.
I've finished the writefaggotry which I've promised a few threads back. Sorry for shitty writing quality, but English is not my native language, I hope its still readable. Enjoy.
https://pastebin.com/xXCv4gAb

One of the things I've noticed now when I read through it is that the pacing is much too fast, but it's hard to make rich descriptions and break up the pace well when you're not writing in language to which you're used to. Any ideas for a good title, since this one is a placeholder?

By the way I've been away for few last threads, did anything interesting happened? Also, if anyone wanted to be added to the player list post your info now, sorry I couldn't notice it.

>>186766602
I like him more as a brawler/support. I just max agility on him every time and do okay. But I'm not super high elo so I don't know if that works in plat or whatever. I feel like his ult is even more powerful because stunning people even for a second in this version of the game lets your team delete the other team if everything goes okay in the team fight. I get that sprint item too so I can just chase people down and punch them while running.

What should I waste my 500 coins on?

>>186757885
>Holy fuck dude, I just found out today that this game has an auto-shield and a spell-shield and it makes me so mad because I don't have either of them.
yeah theres some wild gems. some games i go a few intellect on murdock and i want to try auto-shield. its probably a really small shield and i feel like onsalught (reduces cooldowns by 0.1 seconds when you hit someone with an attack) is more useful late game, but i'd still like to try it out.
also consume the dead is pretty wild. 20% attack speed slow to nearby enemies.

>>186754770
>>186749351
I would say a lot of things that work good in some mobas don't really translate over to 3rd person that well. Abathur for example would probably have difficulty targeting people during a teamfight let alone being able to move the camera to a certain point. Same with dota's Chen's multi-tasking.

Smite would probably be the fairest comparison, and they have a lot of really cool designs. Ne Zha, Janus, Chronos, Hel, etc. Really cool ones in that game.

I'd say a big issue is that Epic decided to ditch hero passives, which removes an entire layer of depth.

>>186770149
The passives thing is weird, so many of the characters feel really samey. Like are Grimm and Howitzer really that different?

>>186770149
>which removes an entire layer of depth
I would agree if Paragon passives were actually as creative as Smite ones, but most of them were just small stat bonuses. Still, it's obviously a bad thing that they got removed, the game needs more depth and character.

>>186770630
>Paragon passives were actually as creative as Smite ones
I mean, they could be reworked. We just have a retard in charge of things trying to turn Paragon into a low-budget dota.

>>186771598
Yeah see that doesn't work because Dota 2 is basically perfect at what it's trying to do while other companies have the opportunity to set themselves apart by being unique because let's face it, they're never going to "dethrone" dota. It reminds me of all those World of Warcraft clones that had any actually creative ideas gimped to be more like WoW. It might have hooked some people tired of WoW for a month or two but they'd all go back.

Who's the most fun in the jungle?

>>186772008
Narbash

>>186772185
What about Crunch?

>>186772845
No

Is there a good place to find decks?

>>186773884
right here *unzips dick*

>>186771891
It's crazy looking back at how original Legacy was to what we have now. So much potential just wasted away for some mini dota-style bullshit.

>>186772845
Honestly, the jungle is in a really bad way since v42: the upside is that almost anyone (except obviously terrible choices like Phase, Muriel etc.) can "work" in there.
Then there's the separate but important problem of the meta. Crunch is really off-meta, since his kit can't keep up with the attack speed that other junglers/ fighters are likely to have, and his combos are his main source of DPS.
Epic need to tone down the attack speed significantly and rein in the pace of the game, if not to distance Paragon from the TDM label it's earned for itself, then to at least make characters like Crunch and Revenant viable.

>>186773884
Agora.gg, but if you're new enough to not have heard of agora then you're going to be new enough to not have the right cards for most builds you'll find there. Give it a couple of weeks and see if Epic back down on their ridiculous decision to gate important items behind account progression.

>>186777693
I kinda like the attack speed since it feels more like a 3d action game than a top down moba which is cool but they need to change other things to fit that obviously.

These cards are all garbage, right? They're all just bland. There are no good cards. Even the rare and epic cards are just so-so due to pricing. You grind your ass off game after game to equip marginal improvements to face off against a foe with his own meager enhancements in the same fight you fought 20 minutes ago with the same strengths and weaknesses. Or you all but forfeit any improvements to afford a -- they're not even trump cards, I don't know what to call them.

>>186777872
>I kinda like the attack speed since it feels more like a 3d action game than a top down moba
That's exactly the reason I don't like it: the genre of my favourite game changed overnight and I'm being told to deal with it or fuck off.

>>186779528
It's still a moba, i wouldn't even put it on the same tier of Battleborn or Paladins. It should go all the way if it's going to do that.

>>186780010
It still has the moba trappings of lanes, towers, minions etc., but that's no longer where the focus is. The map, speed, tiny ability cooldowns and babby-tier jungle camps encourage constant rotating and fighting while letting the more frequent minion waves do all the work.
If it was 50/50 between 3rd person action and moba before the patch (it wasn't, but let's say it was), then it's 75/25 now.

>>186780756
I think it's more like 20/80 before 40/60 now

>>186781158
I strongly disagree and have this feeling we're not likely to find common ground on the matter.

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>"v42 is divisive as fuck, what should we do?"
>"let's just dump all of those skins everyone wanted but never got in the store for a hile, that'll shut them up and make us a ton of cash"
been a while since I used this particular macro

https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/news/v-42-2-store-update
I actually have all of them but Sparrow's, and I don't even want it.

aaaand bump

>>186715503

This happens to me all the time. Or I just randomly slow down for now reason. Some have said that it's aim assist but it happens when I am running down a lane with nothing in site. I hate it.

>>186784031
so we seem to have gone from "whenever" to "every 9 weeks" to "every 3 weeks" when it comes to balance updates at least.

>tfw quit but still hanging around for any signs of an Epic backdown

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lol, KL telling Reddit that the team is trying to decide whether aim-assist should be optional on PS4.
Fucking
WHAT

>>186792709
really dont know how you guys could tolerate 41 but not this. they're both horribly imbalanced but at least the gameplay now is fun instead of a boring slog

What nationality is Imsko?
sometimes he kind of sounds like that one really ethnic guy from Home Movies

>>186793165
unbalanced gameplay is tedium

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Man, I've seen Imsko get ganked in lit-er-al-ly the exact same way three times in a row.
>his mid pings an enemy is stealthed, does it twice for good measure
>"Imsko, you're too far up and you're going to be ganked"
>"that Sevarog is probably behind you right n-"
>colossal blow'd into a Murdock/ Muriel, ded
He might be good at landing his shots as an ADC, but even my positioning and map awareness is better than that.

>>186793165
idk now its like 3 minutes of early and mid game, 20-30 minutes of death ball while wukongs duke it out in a different lane. maybe thats just mobas in general but the map feels really small.
i actually like the new card system tho i think, it needs balancing, but it does really feel like you can build heroes a lot of different ways.

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>>186795360
Card system's fine, but I don't see how it's any different from the previous system: you're still building stats with actives/ passives, but now the stats aren't the dominant aspect. If you added the new cards to the old system, allowed the option to remove equipped cards without discarding them and then balanced or capped the potential stat investment vs the card cost, you'd have an effective combination of the two.
The balance would be hard to achieve (impossible for the Paragon devs, actually), but the new system isn't nearly as divergent from the old as they would have you believe. If anything, it restricts you a bit more because you could have potentially had 4 actives pre-v42 as well as a bunch of passives and stats.
Gems also lock you into a build path, so any pre-emptive counter decks you make will want to be made several times to account for different roles (your anti-Kallari deck for your Offlane bruiser won't work if you're picking Gideon, for example).

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>>186796523
>(impossible for the Paragon devs, actually)
yeah this is the real truth
im not really great at this game, but for me this card system feels more like in game i have more options. my deck doesn't have to be as tuned. i've been trying weird shit and doing okay, i feel like i can build more heroes different ways than before (but maybe thats just the heroes i play idk).
i think if they tone down health, attack speed, and caster damage a bit the game will get better. right now everyone being a bayblade at 20 minutes isnt that fun to me. like its a game of rock paper scissors that needs to be reduced 50% or something. that would be a good start imho. like i don't like 4 attacks per second or whatever, so they need to reduce that, but then they need to reduce health a bit to compensate, and then that makes casters too strong so they need to reduce that a bit too. then i'd be pretty happy with a few specific balances and if they fix auto aim.

>>186793165
I actually like the game it's just that right now it's unbalanced as fuck and Epic taking 3 fucking weeks to adjust anything is retarded so I'm just waiting for the next patch before I start playing again. Can't stomach watching my shit teammates feed Kallari and Countess all day while trying to compete with Wukongs and Kwangs abusing broken shit

>>186795360
>idk now its like 3 minutes of early and mid game
yeah this is my main issue with the gameplay itself outside of balance. the increase to attack speeds i dont mind at all, but the late game starting as soon as someone hits their first powerspike is the real issue and the cause of why every match seems so chaotic.

>>186797563
I really, really hope they tone down the attack speed. Longer game times will probably (hopefully) come with balance, and maybe they'll even enlarge the map significantly at some point, but I literally cannot bring myself to play the game with the attack speed being as ridiculous as it is: 10 minutes in and Kwang is swinging faster than my old full build which had a Whirling Wand, Windcarver Blade and Bloodsoaked Armour all speeding him up. It's ludicrous.

>>186798646
>>186798993
One of us is going to be disappointed when all's said and done, anon.

>>186798993
They've said they want shorter game times, and I haven't had a match last over 30 minutes since the patch so I think they're probably happy with where they are. That's always been their goal, anyway.

>>186798993
i dont think i could ever go back to the old attack speeds after playing 42 for this long. i was watching some old matches i recorded and everything just looks like it was in slow motion now.

>>186799254
You would adapt to it like you've apparently adapted to the new speed.

>>186795360
>it does really feel like you can build heroes a lot of different ways

I don't feel this way playing as Gideon. The cards don't support shit. I'm either a glass cannon getting out burst every fight or I sacrifice dmg output for health or shields and I'm dead weight. I've built what (I like to think) is a clever middle-ground deck but I still get disrespected by melees that don't fear my output and trust their ability to sponge my dmg and outlast me. Deceitful use of the teleport ability is all that saves and the map doesn't always support that -- not to mention heroes that can jump and follow.

>2 weeks and cards don't display CDs properly
Why do I care about this game if Epic clearly doesn't

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>>186799240
>>186799254
Well, shit. Guess the 40 days of combined play time were for nothing in the end. I enjoyed them, though, so I suppose that's all that matters.

>>186799858
I know man, it's dumb as shit but it's how it is. They've said since they removed legacy that everything they did was to "make match times more tolerable, closer to our goal of 30 minutes". And now they have it, and everyone who used to play hates it, and new players hate it because it takes literal weeks of grinding to get decent cards.

>>186799630
nah man it'd be like them taking everything back to how slow it was on legacy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQQDXN-_Nv4
i couldn't go back to that, i mean watching steels ult its like the game was underwater.

>>186800016
Once they back down on the rep situation and the level grind (and they will eventually, it's unsustainable), everything will be in place for them. I wish I could say I wish Epic and the new players the best of luck, but I'd much rather spit on them.

>>186800128
Legacy
the good:
>far superior map

the bad:
>everything else


I really wish they had gone the route of just making those monolith changes on legacy instead of giving us a tiny box to play in

>>186800726
i used to be one of those people who always told the legacy faggots to just fuck off and uninstall because those 2 hour long basic attack fest matches back then were just godawful. but after 42 i just can't see any reason why they couldn't make these exact changes and just have placed them on legacy, it would have fit perfecty. its like they designed an entire gameplay system a year ago in an attempt to fix legacy and then shoved it to the side and decided to try a new map instead and then decided they still didn't like it and went back to revamping the gameplay. 42 fixed everything that was wrong about legacy's gameplay but now ironically the map is once again a detriment to the game

>>186800726
>people want Legacy with as bursty as 42 is
>with a map that big
>where rotating is damn near impossible
kek

>>186801243
Yeah it's really retarded and doesn't make sense. I really do think it was done out of spite because that faggot Cam wanted a dota-style map.
>>186801353
As opposed to the 2 second rotations in monolith? lmao
No bullshit 2v1 lanes and an actual jungle is more than enough for me to prefer the legacy map.

>>186800128
>nah man it'd be like them taking everything back to how slow it was on legacy
Except not because v41 wasn't that slow.

>>186802543
Yeah, the pace of v41 was actually pretty good. The map was, is, and will remain shit, but the speed was pretty good.
Hell, I couldn't tell what the fuck was happening in some of the team fights during the PCL because of how fast it was moving (the bugged out health bars and level numbers didn't help, mind).

>>186802543
it was though. sev, and kwang could barely get 1 basic every 2 seconds, even the carries who didn't naturally gain attack speed were slow as fuck. the overall pace of the game was still pretty fast but the second to second gameplay wasn't.

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>subsequent "queue dodges" will result in timed bans of increasing length.

But it's the kindest option when faced with a shitty team comp.

>>186803317
>durable, high damage melee heroes don't attack very fast unless you build them that way
...yeah? Can't have it all, man.

Carries feel even WORSE and more garbage to play since they're even more reliant on farm to do anything...I'm so damn tempted to just play a caster in safelane or kwang or some shit lol

>>186805853
>tfw Kwang is now shitter bait
Worst update.

>>186803873
the point was no one attacked fast. the ranged minions had more DPS for the first 5 minutes of the game than any midlaner did, carries built max crit because sustained dps was never viable, all the tanks did was have CC and eat stuns. thats not how any other moba works. tanks are supposed to be hard to kill while still providing damage so you actually have to care about killing them. kwang with godmother is more like an actual moba tank than anything paragon has ever had before.

>>186806270
>the point was no one attacked fast
Not to be a pedant, but the point was that Kwang and Sev didn't attack fast

>carries built max crit because sustained dps was never viable
Any carry that didn't strike a balance of crit, speed and lifesteal was doing it wrong. Sparrow could afford to invest less in attack speed, and anyone that could built Hemhorrage or Silent Indignation (activatable attack speed with lifesteal). 100% crit was a meme (a pretty effective one sometimes, but a meme nonetheless).

>all the tanks did was have CC and eat stuns
That's kind of what tanks are there for, man. Kwang and Sev could still do crazy damage: Sev because of his godly Siphon at max stacks, and Kwang because his damage scaling was good and worked well with his burst combo. Kwang also benefitted from tanking up while doing damage with the 2.5 second armour and his passive lifesteal.

>>186799772
fair point. i honestly haven't fucked with casters that much so far.
>>186799254
i think i easily could.

So what happened to that team we were gonna make
did you all give up on it or what.

>>186809504
I know I did.

>>186808045
>Not to be a pedant, but the point was that Kwang and Sev didn't attack fast
i said even the carries who didn't gain attack speed through levels were slow as fuck
>Any carry that didn't strike a balance of crit, speed and lifesteal was doing it wrong.
nope twin and rev were the dominant carries specifically because their kits allowed them to ignore attack speed and stack nothing but power and crit.
Sev got shit on because the pace of matches now is too fast for him to keep up but Kwang just changed from a burst to a sustained dps like most other heroes which allows the tanks that didn't have burst like grux or ramp to actually be more than walking stun sponges late game.

>>186767420
Shameless self bump

>>186810184
i liked it

>>186812969
Thank you anon, it's a pleasant thing to hear after returning from work.

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>Our next hero is also scheduled for the v.42.3 update, meaning everyone can expect teasers and a reveal trailer this week!

The hype is real.

>>186814579
but we already know who it is

>>186814861
Drogoz is going to use Iggy's old flame turrets.

>>186815023
Oh, you mean the ones they had to completely change because of how useless they were? What the fuck Epic?

I actually think they were still a very good ability even on Monolith, but apparently the meta doesn't agree with me

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>get key from chest
>holy grux pelt khai
>play like shit in the 2 matches i use it in

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>mfw they don't nerf the fucking monkey

>>186821221
they are though. now if its actually enough is up in the air considering that epic thought making steels ult do 60 less damage back when it had a 40sec cooldown, 10 mile radius the cast range of half the map and stunlocked someone for over 5 seconds to be a suitable balance change

>>186821758
man those were the days. leaping out from fucking nowhere to turn fights. fun stuff.

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OK so like, here the deal OK? So, like, right now the thread is dying right? Page 10, no one posting its just not like, a healty state for the thread ya know. So like, what we could do right now is just like bump ya know like just type b-u-m-p and then complete our captcha because we can't spend money on a 4chan pass because we gotta save it for loot crates. But we're better than that ya know, like we're /parag/ we gotta like, make our bumps better than that. So like, we have this picture of Aurora's ass right, and its all nice and fat and we could post that but anyone can do that ya know its like, we gotta separate ourselves even more. Now our internal testing team for /parag/ bumps, they've been going for 2-3 months now with an idea called bushbumping ya know, now its a change you can't deny that but we really think its like, the future ya know? It's like, your thread is dying well maybe I wanna talk about Sparrow's bush, maybe Serath's? Ya know maybe you wanna still talk about like Aurora, well does she even have a bush? Ya know it just presents all these like, new options that anyone can take advantage of. We think you're gonna love it.

>>186825218
is that a copypasta?
>gotta save it for loot crates
gave me a hearty chuckle.

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posting shit character

>>186825218
hey cam, whats the likelihood of fey having a bush?

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>>186826928
dont tell me you thought those leaves were a skirt

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how do i get over my fear of jungling
i feel like its a lot of responsibility but i keep wanting to try it out but every time i have in the past i havent been very good. its like way easier now though right?

>>186828307
It's so easy now that it's actually not even a necessary role. The only thing that differentiates a jungler from an offlaner is separating the gold gain, and having a jungler stay generally closer to mid to make rotating to right or left easier. But 9 times out of 10 I end up seeing junglers just set up shop in left after level 4.

>>186826394
i need her to sit on my face

>>186828307
im a shit jungler and i usually do fine in plat games, its the most shitter dominated role so even if you're terrible at it most people won't notice.

>>186826394
i want to lick her pussy

Just wondering, how do you make Steel worth playing? I kind of like his punch and the idea of his shield is super cool but in-game I feel totally useless aside from the ultimate. The shield is actually worth jack shit since nobody plays ranged characters and most magic doesn't involve a projectile. And the rush is still balanced around a game where everyone moves at half the speed, you can hardly hit anything with it and when you do they go flying in a random direction instead of directly forward.

>>186833986
i usually just throw godmother on him and make him tanky as fuck.

>>186833986
i just roam around sucker punching people and trying to catch people in my ult. people do play ranged heroes and the shield is imo better now than its ever been. steel isnt top tier right now, hes below 50% win rate, but i think even moreso now, if you can bring a few people out of a team fight for even a few seconds you can easily win because of how bursty everything is. i don't build him tanky, i just max agility with a few points elsewhere. gotta get good at positioning. up until very end game i use that card that lets you sprint for a few seconds to give myself some extra escape/chase. just remember as a support, you just need to snowball your team you don't really need to do anything else so try to think more about that then about anything.
go safe lane and get that healing aura card even though you dont really want 3 intelligence, because its just that good in the beginning of the game. i go 1 intellect to start, get the card that reduces your mana cost of the next spell you cast by whatever %, then return ASAP to trade that for the aura card when i get 2k (this can take a while, grab wards often too).
but again hes not really "good" its going to be somewhat uphill. but he packs a punch in the beginning, his passive is good for staying alive in the lane, especially if you mostly hang back and let your carry handle the actual laning. i tend to play really aggressive in the beginning because hes so beefy to start to try and get my carry going faster than whoever is in lane.

>>186712916
This is from the Countess steam workshop of whoever made her model

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>7 more hours to see if Glacier PAWG Aurora recolors will be in loot crates so I can finally use them for something
>Such an urge to fap, but I won't have time to play paragon
I don't know if I can make it

>>186837352
defualt is already the best color, though i wouldn't be opposed to an all blood red version.

>>186837741
If her skin was already in crates then I would have tried already but it's not (yet, hopefully) and I'm trying not to give shekels to ebin so this is my best bet

>>186839569
aurora has actually been my most played since the update so i had to just do it and buy the skin. plus oh god the ass is so good

saving the thread for the third time tonight.
we're back to being really dead

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>>186842825
B-but our internal testing

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I'm enjoying the game currently but the state of balance is really offputting at times. I can understand why we went from buslting activity to the deadness we had pre- age of intellect.

At least I'm starting to understant this busted meta somewhat. Godmother Rampage isn't balanced.

>>186845543
we were pretty dead after the AoI because a lot of people quit during the Phase bullshit days. we just got spoiled by the 2 weeks where we had the pace of an actual general leading up to The New Dawn®
oh well back to some bursts of conversation in between asking which girl has the puffiest nipples i guess.

>>186846791
its serath right?

On crunch, why is left punch r1 and right punch l1? whats up with that?

>>186847052
because they absolutely fucking ruined the control scheme on controller. They even changed around skills that didn't need to be fucking changed. Like greystone's leap being on L2 instead of R1 where it used to be, which is now where his aoe is, and his passive is on L1?

>>186847052
theres a control scheme called boxer explicitly to fix that

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>>186847052
>Ebin game design
If it bother's you that much you can customize your buttons on ps4 through the accessibility menu.
The easiest way to switch controls on the fly is to hold the PS button, go down to customize, go to menu items, then add accessibility.
From here, you can toggle different controls within seconds by selecting "Enable Custom Button assignments."
With that setup, now you go to the actual settings on your playstation menu.
Here is where you actually edit the buttons themselves.
I do this when I play Rainbow 6 and changed my crouch/prone to r1 so I could drop shot on the go
Also since I never checked to settings menu and my page just updated you could just do what >>186847284 said with mfw

>>186847052
>>186847241
>>186847284
>>186847814
>not using legacy control scheme
R3 to cancel an ability cast takes a while to rid the old muscle memory but eventually it is better. Everything else is the same.

What is with people not looking at their fucking settings? I've told probably 10 people this mid-match, too.

>>186848848
>Jeopardizing aim by letting go of the right stick to activate an ability
I'm glad I moved on from legacy controls especially when playing a ranged hero

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/parag/, how's your faith in how Epic is handling the game, now and in the long term?

I'm generally confident in the direction of the game, it's legitimately as fun as it's ever been, and v41 was almost balanced, save for Phase.

That being said there's some shit I can't defend in this version of the game. I'm not sure how this build made it out of testing but I'm willing to see how they respond to it with the balance patches. What really pisses me off is the economy behind masteries, locking progression and discouraging people from playing the hero if they don't pony up the half mil rep for the mastery or the next rank.

I'm probably going to be playing this game a while after it's stopped being fun since I've put so much time into the game and gotten a lot out of it, but I'm just kinda questioning Epic's competency with this game. I'm still really enjoying it, but I'm worried about that slowly eroding.

>>186850807
I'm pretty sure Epic's only interests are making tech demos for UE and finding new ways to exploit people with gambling addictions

>>186850807

>>186851495
Epic lost Gears and nobody cares about Unreal anymore. I would assume most of their talent is on Paragon, right?

>>186848848
whatever fuck epic for doing crunch dirty like that. go back TO YOU KNOW WHERE if you're gonna shill epic

>>186850807
>/parag/, how's your faith in how Epic is handling the game, now and in the long term?
at an all time low even though i think they are doing good on the card system.
balance is atrocious and their response is "lol we playtested it noobs".
also their monetization strategy is god awful. didnt they just fuck up a game that got horrible reviews because of the exact same monetization?

>>186850807
Nil. The game's been in "beta" for almost 3 years now. Fortnite's status coming to light as having been entirely re-developed in secret, not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES over the 8 year development cycle it's had. Looking at paragon now, I can see that it's pretty much parallel to it, and considering fortnite's general failure, I think paragon was saved only by the general lack of publicity it had at the start.

What you listed is the other prime example of why they don't know what they're doing. They don't listen to their community. "The community is retarded and doesn't know what it actually wants" works the first few times. I took it with legacy, I took it with age of intellect. But now, new dawn has changed everything I loved about the game that was left after being stripped out piece by piece, and it feels more in line with other MOBAs, but not to it's benefit.

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>>186850807
i love playing the game, but the kikery is getting out of hand and now that they have no more excuses for reworks taking up most of their time they desperately need to make the game more balanced. overall 42 is great and much better than the game post AoI since that shit update made me uninstall and ignore the game for almost 2 months.

>>186854015
>since that shit update made me uninstall and ignore the game for almost 2 months.
same to be honest

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night /parag/ try not to die.

>>186854810
Tell that to Epic

>>186829108
>>186833662
calm down Yin

im sick of monkey wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So what game are we moving on to /parag/? Pic related, I have been queuing for the last 2 hours and have yet to get past the draft. Two lobbie got dumped out due to DC, one guy dodged me because he is fucking stupid, and one lobby where a guy dodged to slip past a 5 stack he had just played in the previous match. Not to mention these "17 minute" queues have all been a half hour each.
Good thing Cam has all that internal testing data. Would have hated for new player retention go down. They will definitely need them with all the old guys leaving.

>>186861846
Smite

>>186861846
I'm playing duels of the planeswalkers and infinity wars atm to make up for the tease that is Paragon's card system.

So playing Murdock again, which is what made me drop the game initially. I think he's both the exact balance point of the game and the best example of what's wrong with it. Paragon doesn't know if it wants to be a shooter or not, the fire rate for ranged attackers makes the game feel like I might as well be playing a top down MOBA since aiming doesn't really add anything to the game and feels more like an alternative control scheme like mouse vs controller. To compare the "shooting" in Paragon to an actual shooter it's like using a beam weapon that only occasionally does damage. There's no headshots or limb shots, there's no universal advanced movement like sprinting, sliding or dodges so aiming has a very low skill ceiling.

On top of that many abilities are simply passives or don't really offer any way to raise the skill ceiling or build a character a certain way. The card system is kind of interesting but ultimately doesn't actually add much in terms of depth. Even just copying the talent trees from HotS or the card system from Paladins would be a huge improvement.

Paragon doesn't have any idea what it wants to be, it's an even worse identity crisis than Battleborn had.

>>186850807
>>186861846
game is done as far as this patch goes. if they can fix balance and stop jewing playerbase with mastery costs I'll come back. The hd waifus are really the only thing paragon can do at this point.
If paragon not reasonably fixed before new battlefront 2 releases I'll jump ship to that for 100% of my pvp fix

>>186866408
Just let it die next time

>>186864683
>I might as well be playing a top down MOBA
You can say that again. Paragon's appeal is about immersion. It's for players that want an active relationship with their hero, for players that want to see the action from a closer perspective, for players that want to smell the bushsweat in the air.

>>186867318
I could just zoom in on an actual moba and not feel like i'm getting wrist strain.

>>186866746
Nah, there's always hope that things will steer away from the hyper-casualisation that the New Dawn update introduced. If and when they do, I want my bush-posting degenerate /parag/ here to celebrate.

>>186864683
Well it's not a shooter.. Never was. Why do you think it's supposed to be one?
>might as well be playing a top down MOBA
The whole appeal of Paragon is that it's an aesthetic 3rd person MOBA with non-shitty graphics. That's literally it.
Right now Paragon's issues are the shit balancing and the tiny map.
I'm confident the balance can be taken care of, the map is a 50/50.

>>186868075
It doesn't matter what I think it is when Epic doesn't.

>>186867462
>zooming in
Is nothing like TPP, nor will it give you direct control over your character. And most importantly no beautiful hd ass (female) vistas.

>>186869239
>direct control

If only that mattered at all.

>>186849549
Sounds to me you don't trust the 1/10 of a second of skill it should take.

>>186852490
No, I'm just not retarded. Do you not check any settings when you play a new game?

>>186865663
I'm getting to that point. I've been playing other games and have Paragon a break and haven't beaten my kids since.

>>186869371
>tfw no wife and kids

>>186869970
It's his wife's kids.

>>186869970
>implying ps4 gamers have wives and kids and not live-in whores and their sons

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (You) FAGGOT

>>186871273
>>186871359
Far be it for me to judge you degenerate cucks. Carry on with your despicable lifestyle.

>>186871497
>Reddit can't follow a 4chan thread

I'm shocked. SHOCKED

>>186871806
I've been here longer than you, guaranteed. If there's some other meaning to your post that went over my head, it's probably because your train of thought is so low that it's simply impossible for me to understand. Good God, this euphoria.

>>186872298
>longer than you
I didn't reply to the bait, anon, and I know they're my kids, so why would you?
I don't let game discussion drop into the degenerate unless threads need a bump and implying gaming isn't degenerate .

>>186872298
Post Speccy

>>186864683
They could never in a million years move to a HotS talent system because they can barely think up 4 upgrade tiers for basic abilities. Attacks only do slightly more damage and it's only recently that attacks without damage got any benefit at all form levels. It's also the pettiest bullshit like changing adding 50 range or scaling in increments of 20 instead of a flat amount.

>>186872568
It was a joke, man. All levels of it (I would have thought the euphoria shit would have been indication enough that I'm just shitposting).

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>>186877836
there's this
https://twitter.com/Paragon/status/899995291608338432

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>>186878419
>The Cam Wastes became his new home
Seems apt for v42.

>>186878419
Roadhog?

>Lose a match
>Literally always lose 7 or 8 elo
>Win a match
>Gain 6 or maybe 7 elo if I'm lucky

Awesome shit.

Heroes you haven't seen since V42 settled, so much that you forgot about them:

>Grux
>Zinx
>Phase
>Sparrow

Might just be a coincidence with Sparrow, but you'd think that the fact that you can choose affinities now would mean she would be played more than ever.

I guess it doesn't help that her ultimate is now an always on, always 80% damage gem in multishot. Giving other heroes abilities and even ultimates to gems and cards, even in a weaker form, was a bad idea.

Where's my Wukong gem that spawns clones of any character that equips it then?

>>186825218

Where is the picture of Aurora's ass?

>>186880019
>Sparrow
Her strength was in her great attack speed scaling and her ult being able to turn some of the narrower areas of the map into a kill zone. Now, attack speed for everyone (but especially carries) is off the charts, and the multishot and pierce gems makes her ult completely redundant. Murdock's passive with armour penetration and the multishot gem is essentially the same as Sparrow's ult, except better.
Expect her to be one of the reworked heroes they're changing to fit the low skill, ADD landscape of the New Dawn.

Zinx and Phase were designed with V42 in mind, but are absolutely bottom-tier for some reason.

Grux would benefit from the attack speed if Cup of The Vampire was still a thing, but any synergy bleed once had with the card system is dead and gone.

>>186880447

I saw a Zinx wrecking people by just stacking as much health as she could and then Sorvuk Initiate-ing anyone who she caught.

What are the hidden gem cards? I'm so fucking sick of playing Sacred Alchemy carry/Wukong and Awaken The Emeric mind control Iggy and stuff.

>>186868075
>I'm confident the valance can be taken care of
You must literally, actually be new to this game and company in general if you think this.

>>186880621
I guess Zinx has some untapped potential, but her kit shouldn't be so ass that you need to rely on cards to make her work. Her ult is literally all she going for her, maybe her stun.
I don't know what you mean by hidden gem cards, though. There's a card missing from each affinity because they were considered too OP during the PTR and the devs removed them, though.

>>186880638
This. Apart from Phase (and the absolute trash-tier heroes), v41 was in a decent state.

>>186878419
>Overwatch is releasing an apocalypse dlc for their game at the same time that this is happening
IF IT WASN'T DED ALREADY THIS'LL BE THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN
DED GAEM
DOCTOR, CALL THE TIME OF DEATH

>>186883772
nah I like Paragon and don't like Overwatch and I'm not the only one.

i like v42 and i enjoy playing it

>>186880638
Nah I'm not new, I still have flashbacks from when they failed to nerf Greystone for 3 months after Monolith dropped, and the eternal hell with travel mode on Legacy.
However, I don't think Epic is completely out of touch. I like to think they're slowly getting better. We already have balance changes confirmed for next week. The Epic a year ago would have waited 2 months to do anything.

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>>186878419
Give me kit to match awesome aesthetic and all is forgiven. May even drop bones.

>>186878603
Underage?

>>186880621
Don't know how hidden they are but I don't see them all the time:

Order: Brilliant Fortification and Flag Bearer
Knowledge: O.P.D. Militia, Arcane Dancer
Death: Possessed Spry-kin, Numbing Rogue
Chaos: Outlander Scout, Overclocked Droid

>those matches were everyone on your team is toxic and all hate each other but you can tell the enemy team is the same and you win anyway
the best wins possible

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>No Glacier Aurora in loot crates
>But you can buy Forest Rogue Sparrow for one week only
I'm fighting it, I really am

>>186888120
Nice try Parashill, they're clearly ripping off OW after failing everything else.

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>Forest Sparrow for 1000 shekels
>1000 shekels is just $10.
>It's just $10
I can feel myself slipping

>>186889831
i ___won forest bush sparrow and con confirm it is by far her best skin

>>186889625
>when you get that one autistic guy who starts screaming right at draft select and then within 5 minutes goes afk after going on a rant
why do they even play

tbqh i think a lot of people would have a better outlook on the game if they would send cam back to his treasured internal testing room and stop letting him talk about the game. the community corners where they had hipster cam or fat cam on them, they actually acknowledged things were wrong with the game and needed fixing or that things just werent what they wanted them to be. cam just throws some socks on his hands and calls the playerbase idiots for not building gag order on their carries to counter countess.

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>>186889989
I really don't see the point of rereleasing all of the vault skins like this: there was a one-time lottery for getting vaulted skins a while back (I got Midnight Muriel, would have much preferred Monarach Murdock, but whatever) and that was it, one and done.
Just plain selling all of the vaulted skins that were available during the last 2 months not only reduces their value drastically, it invites speculation as to what exactly prompted it. Are Epic going the Fortnite route of just squeezing every dime they can from the game, or are they just trying to appease the people that are pissed off with the lack of balance?

>>186890686
>calls the playerbase idiots for not building gag order on their carries to counter countess.
THIS
I was livid when I heard him say stupid shit like this. May as well throw in 'just don't die, bro lol' as some more solid advice.

>>186890686
He certainly doesn't help matters.

I tried Smite and it's basically Paragon but shit. Just like Paladins is basically Overwatch but shit.

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>>186891115
I'd definitely wager trying to appease the playerbase
I wouldn't hope that this was them jumping ship and trying sell what little else they can based off of the numbers they're seeing as far as current+new players goes, but we just won't know without access to that kind of data
It could also be that there may have been an influx of new players and this is them going "HEY KIDS! Doesn't this skin look cool? Better get it now before you may never be able to buy/win it again! EVER!"
All I know is that I want to have the prettiest bush at the party, and I can buy it
For $10 shekels
Just $10... Measly shekels...

>>186889975
clearly

>>186878603
>>186883772
>>186889975
Yeah, all these damn paragon shills in my paragon general wtf is happening??

>>186892770
>>186883772
>>186891115
>whining about popularity
PCucks, everyone.

The game, as I type this, is more active on PS4 than Smite, Warframe, Fortnite (kek), and WoT. I guess those games are dead too?

>>186892770
If it's the latter, you'd have to imagine they'd make a U-turn on the mastery situation before doing anything else. I don't know, it's hard to speculate when there's no way for anyone outside of Epic to measure player retentio, and they sure as shit won't be releasing that information one way or another.

>>186893114
Popularity signaling is even worse than system elitism.

t. sophisticated idort who plays what he likes irregardless of bitch ass opinions

>>186893128
>If you don't release your game on steam there is no way for outside sources to access how many players have/had been playing without legal business inquiry or the company themselves releasing the numbers
>Same with battlenet/ other game launchers
Well played shekel lords

>>186893128
like i said when the patch first dropped the mastery system is going to get changed regardless. the current system is 100% a test to see if they could get away with it and to jew people over who are newly checking the game out. its not sustainable and long term will even lose them money because people sure as shit aren't going to be paying $50 for every new hero that gets released just to hit level 10. I guarantee everyone involved with this system knows its ass and they're going to 'fix' it soon. and just like every other time something like this has happened with any game people will ignore that they got shit on and say "see the devs really care about us!"

>>186893114
Why would you announce to people that you play on a vastly inferior system on a game that has crossplay.
Are they really paying you enough for this?

>>186889975
Oh damn what's it like associating everything with overwatch?

>>186894262
Why don't you ask Epic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEsz0j4NyBc

>>186894003
PS4 Pro version is identical to PC.

t. someone who plays both

I wonder if you can calculate player numbers from Elo?

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>>186893114
>The game, as I type this, is more active on PS4
But how many of them are paying ebin monies for skins? Huh?
>>186893830
>t. sophisticated idort who plays what he likes irregardless of bitch ass opinions
>sophisticated idort
I'd say nice opinion, but it wasn't
stay mad, pic related

>>186894750
Maybe on medium settings

>>186894579
Does snow remind you of the chink? Do you gauge the height of the sun when you see a cowboy hat? Normal life must be so difficult for you.

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>>186894980
Pic is my rig. It seems identical to high. The only difference is the PC version is blurry, like Vaseline is smeared on my monitor.
>>186894763
According to Agora, there are over 100k people that played New Dawn. So the "game is ded!" shit is false.

>>186895095
>reposting my pic from the speccy thread

Get the fuck out of here faggot

>>186895095
If my math is right (it's probably not, that's why I asked), then there are around 140,000 active players according to agora. The account I'm using is at rank 6,974/ 5.263%, so I multiplied 7000 by 20 (5%*20 for 100%) and got around 140k. Again, I have no idea if this is an accurate way of calculating the number.
Doing the same with the account's numbers pre-New Dawn (46k/8ish%) and multiplying the 46k by 12.5 gets me a player base of 575000.
Any /sci/fags here able to clarify?

>Bought Aurora skin and felt iffy about spending money on the game afterward, but it looks fucking awesome
>I get a loot crate in my next match, have leftover keys
>The rosegold looking Iggy and Scorch robo skin

Do you think Epic jacks up your odds of getting cool stuff after you've made a purchase to subconsciously sway you to buy more?

>>186895000
I'm just saying, Epic clearly want the Overwatch audience if they're reaching out to a popular Overwatch Youtube personality to talk about their game.

>>186895554
Nice try, retard

It feels dirty to win games with sacred alchemy/mallenk's tribute/shatter golem Wukong, but ANYTIME I see that the enemy team has a Wukong, I feel like I have no choice but to go Wukong as well. I have only played 1 game where we beat a Wukong running this build without a Wukong of our own, and it took Narbash, Belica, and Aurora chain CCing him enough times that we could eat through his shields and stop him from making more and still hopefully catch him before he jumped away.

That said, I don't know what kind of nerf they could give to him.

>>186895723
agora only counts accounts that have played at least 1 pvp match so that just means 140k since new dawn and believe there were around 650k total over mono. so basically 1/5th of the entire playerbase to ever play a single monolith game since december has already played the game at least once in the past 2 weeks. the game isn't dying.

>>186896174
If the game lost 500,000 players in 8 months there's definitely something wrong.

>>186893114
I have no idea what WoT is but as a former Smite player that game is def. dead, killed by jewery and horrendous balance issues. Exactly like Paragon's going to do except Smite lasted a whole before the decline.

Friend of mine said Warframe is the exact same way with the jewery.

>>186895095
>According to Agora, there are over 100k people that played New Dawn. So the "game is ded!" shit is false.
A New Dawn® is about to be 3 weeks old
New players that tried the game for a week before leaving != current/active players

>>186896118
make his clones do ability damage. they wont proc acalc so he wont have more sustain than a godmother kwang, they wont crit and they wont shred towers in 2 seconds since towers takes 80% reduced ability damage. literally an incredibly easy fix

>>186895095
>The only difference is the PC version is blurry, like Vaseline is smeared on my monitor.

So you're an actual retard and configuration is difficult for you. Better stick to the Playstation then.

>>186896301
World of Tanks

>>186896250
the 650k wasn't concurrent it was any player ever since mono dropped in december 16. if they already have 150k they're on pace to go way over that a year from now.

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>>186896118
Like, just build 5x Brilliant Fortification brah

>>186888735
OPD Militia just isn't very good because it means your attacks are double reduced by armor and even characters you would't think of as mana heavy will run dry instantly with the new attack speeds. If you're a wizard you're probably better off stacking power and if you're a range/melee character your probably don't have the mana pool to support it. 60 extra damage isn't bad but it doesn't really give you the raw power and survivability of other 12 point cards.

>>186896632
What 5x mean senpai?

>>186896453
I know you're baiting, but UE4's AA does that.

t. UE4 dev

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>>186896906
5x = Multiplied by five
Brilliant Fortification x 5 = 30 seconds of immune towers if activated consecutively

>>186897203
I tried recreating the basement portion of MGS in UE4 and the text was impossible to read on the walls because of the blur

Any tips on fixing this? I don't want to increase text size because I want to stay true to the source material

Did we ever get a hint as to what Kallari looks like under her mask?

Is she white?

I guess it's impossible to gauge player numbers without concurrent statistics or Elo sites purging throwaway accounts.

>>186897857
she sounds mexican

When is Iggy getting nerfed?
When is Wukong getting nerfed?
When is Kallari getting nerfed?
When is Countess getting nerfed?

>>186899565
Countess isn't getting nerfed, the rest are happening next week, iirc.

>>186899795
Iggy is the worst. Wukong being bullshit makes sense because he's a god, but Iggy is a faggy meme character.

>>186899795
shadow dancer is getting nerfed next week too so that would be a countess nerf assuming they dont go full retard and just make the cooldown 5 seconds longer or something

>>186899887
Iggy is definitely a meme (muh unkillable Tank Iggy abloobloo Epic y u no buff?), but Wukong is also a meme in a different way, considering his character's prevalence in moba's.

>>186897302
but how do you multiply it? I don't understand

>>186900508
His turrets should do half damage, at least. And they should have less HP.

They should only shoot horizontally. Characters like Kallari and Wukong that have double jumps should be able to avoid them.

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>>186900528
He's just fucking with you, anon, probably because the chucklefucks on the community corner suggested Brilliant Fortfications with Lightstep Vanguard as a support to counter Wukong.
>Dekker teleports to the inhib with LSV
>uses Brilliant Fortifications
>6 seconds later, Wukong resumes his assault on the inhib, takes it instantly, kills the Dekker, then leaves

>>186900528
have everyone equip it. he's just memeing though

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>>186901062
Take it up with Epic, man: Cameron Winston himself said that it should take 2 or 3 heroes at once to put down an Iggy.

>>186901465
That sounds both fair and balanced.

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>>186869371
>No, I'm just not retarded. Do you not check any settings when you play a new game?
of course i did, but i'm not discussing that. i'm discussing thtat on top of epic giving me a myriad of reasons to have 0 faith in them, their default control scheme that they spent months "internally testing" has crunch's right punch mapped to the left trigger and left punch mapped to the right trigger.
i don't think i'm retarded (well, maybe i do but not because of this), and i doubt you are retarded (but if you are, it doesn't have anything to do with this). BUT EPIC, EPIC might be retarded.

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>>186899565
I keep flipflopping on Countess needing nerfs. Obviously the ult+E early game is insane but the entire point of an assassin hero is that they need to snowball to stay relevant. She has legitimate card counters like Gag Order or Arcane Dancer, "just stun her" is a legitimate counter because she's extremely squishy, she has no real escape unless you're really good at using her Q and at that point if you're just punishing skill if you can't deal with that.
She doesn't even have broken card interactions due to being ability based so you can't just throw on a vamp blade or a shield build and becoming unkillable. Shadow Dancer is just way too OP on anyone, which I think is the main problem with her, and they should consider changing her big non ult damage ability to the right click twirl instead of dark tide so she can't chunk 3 people for 450 during fights and has to focus on being a single target assassin.

>>186895095
>According to Agora, there are over 100k people that played New Dawn. So the "game is ded!" shit is false.

>implying people don't give the update a chance before they realise how shit it is and never play it again

>>186902575
They just need to make her mid/ late game more sustainable mana-wise while making her early game harder. I mastered Countess in the Offlane without ever feeding, and her early game (hell, until she gets her level 2 ult and a few cards, really) was when you needed to prepare for her coming online: after she hit her first power spike, you either shut her down hard or she would snowball, and woe unto any squishy fucker that she jumped.
I made her work reasonably well before she had a 15 second burst of invisibility on a low cooldown, now she's actually unbalanced, both because of her scaling, stealth, lower TTK than ever and the fact that wards barely exist so she's on you before you can react.

>>186880019
Grux and Zinx are okay. Not great but okay.
Grux is really tough in the beginning, his pull is pretty powerful, and his ult is usefulish. I think if hes built tanky he can be pretty good.
Zinx's win rate is like 40% right now non mirrored, and I've heard people talk about Sorvukk on her, but the only few time I've seen that (which is like two or three times) I've just killed them. Maybe its okay at picking off tanky supports but thats not really that useful.
Phase and Sparrow...
I've seen one Phase and she didn't seem like she was doing that much.
I think Sparrow is okay but the few I've seen, I would call none of them good. Honesty she's just a sitting duck, which is compounded in this really bursty fast meta. Like she needs to get a grappling hook arrow to pull her away from stuff or something. A blinding arrow? Idk. I've been thinking of trying her out with that card that reflects damage and baiting people into trying to fight me head on, but I doubt I'll ever get around to it. ADCs in general are kind of dead right now.

>>186891115
>Are Epic going the Fortnite route
isn't it obvious? yes

Just reached Bush Rank 11 but don't have the rep to upgrade
Time to play someone else, I guess

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>"Let's rush middle lane for ten minutes and throw shit at each other when we lose."

The meltdowns are almost more fun than winning. LMAO Iggy shitter wasn't even getting blamed but sperged out reflexively.

t. Phasewaifu alone against Riktor and Aurora in safelane.

i am a LITTLE proud of reddit for being so against paragon jewing new players so hard

>>186905051
>Phasewaifu
Dark times

>>186903181
Countess is actually a lot more balanced than assassins in other games. Mainly because she doesn't have an on demand escape. The only way she can get away is with minions or really good juking.
She's an all-in character and is designed from that perspective. The stealth card is already being nerfed so it's whatever.
The real problem is dark tide. Its too safe with too much range for the damage it does. >>186902575 has it spot on in that her damage should be more into siphon and less into dark tide.
It's actually such a simple and smart change but the Epic balance team is too stupid to realize this.

Just in case the guy who does the pastebin is here, Im still Active
My name Is SRG_Valo

>>186905331
phase waifuing is acceptable now that she doesn't ruin every match she's in. she'd make a fine waifu for any irishman.

>>186896118
Was running that light card on mori, and I'd keep poking wiling with mark, he'd gotten low and ran away and he got cursed. Everytime he saw me for the rest of the game he'd run away. I will say our Grux being there was pretty good too.

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>>186907672
I take exception to that particular stereotype

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>>186907672
>tfw was willing to pronebone Phase since her release
It's finally safe to come out

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>>186908552
dont fight it buddy you know this has you drooling

>>186906494
I ran Astral Leap and invis on Countess before packing it in: she benefits from good positioning and being aware of where everyone is on the map more than any hero I can think of, and the lack of wards mean you no longer have to waste your blink for an engage and can use it to quickly get the fuck back into your own territory after doing the dirty deed.
I will say it was always profoundly satisfying to Stablink into an enemy's face, kill them before they knew what was going on and then just walk out with Necroveil.