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= NEWS =
>1.03 patch notes
http://tekkengamer.com/2017/07/04/ps4-tekken-7-patch-ver-1-03-launched-japan-regions-soon-follow/
>Ultimate Tekken Bowl trailer
https://youtu.be/-BaJENh1Irs [Embed]

= BASIC INFORMATION =
>Notation
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/legend.php
>Fergus' character overviews
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yqgxbES6su4clpQou2hzlZN40rpPBtwmMRKWfexbj3g/preview
>Frame data for every character
http://rbnorway.org/t7-frame-data/
>Top 15 moves for all characters
https://drunkardshade.com/2017/05/27/tekken-7-top-15-moves-for-all-characters/
>T7 Character Information Compilation
https://docs.google.com/document/d/139rPKrNc0nYHm2SmEa9Wy6LE7ps_2C0akOD4BQrmN2Q

= TUTORIAL VIDEOS FOR NEW PLAYERS =
>How to Approach 3D Fighting Games
https://youtu.be/p7Ar-RctqyU [Embed]
>Korean Backdash Cancel (KBD)
https://youtu.be/gLp3Y0PdV94 [Embed]
>Button Buffering
https://youtu.be/38iJWsjc_w8 [Embed]
>Options at the wall
https://youtu.be/2SW7kCmA23o [Embed]
>How to get off the ground
https://youtu.be/j-PDc20Jezg [Embed]
https://youtu.be/11oZkTYI6Rs [Embed]
>Low parrying
https://youtu.be/SF2wBESs01U [Embed]
>Oki/Tech Trap
https://youtu.be/LYqbvQljTw0 [Embed]
>Throw Breaking
https://youtu.be/m4em9HzrwFI [Embed]
>Wavedash
https://youtu.be/xMtFCy8LreM [Embed]
>Wavedash/Backdash on pad
https://youtu.be/fU5Ji23k4LU [Embed]
>Combo video playlist for each character
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n
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Thanks senpai
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>>182726820
fuck thats sexy
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>>182726820
+1 FOR KNEE RETURNING TO HIS SEAT OF POWER
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Mr naps not showing up to Evo is 4d chess.
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>>182726931
he had a family emergency apparently
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>>182726820
At first glance, I thought that was milk coming out of his tit
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Don't forget to filter tripcode user Lucifer!!ss9GITmavRN
The directions are at https://yuki.la/fa/11328571
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Bryan is high iq
Knee is a fucking god
Neutral Orbital is really really strong
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Let's go John De Dang!
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I told you idiots that Jeondding wasn't going to get top 16 without playing Eddy. Chloe is butt.
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>>182726965
Damn. Now I feel bad for shitposting :(
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>>182727082
he can only dance
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Steve is bad? Huh
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Are there any Raven players here. Just wondering if you prefer the new one over the original?
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>>182727264
He's not as good as he used to be.
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>2 americans and 3 koreans
where's japan at
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>>182727264
The reward is definitely not worth the effor
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why dont they have a stream for losers bracket and winners once it gets to top 32? once they run out of winners they just run losers on the main stream...
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Suiken made it to top 8 with Eliza.
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>>182727264
>>182727318
I think the change of combo system really hurt Steve. T5 Steve is GOAT
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wait is Sperogin out?
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>>182727351
the stream runners aren't too bright
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>SpeedKicks is out

Welp are there any other Hwo's that could make top 8?
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>>182727354
There is still hope. I just wish they showed some of his other matches.
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>>182727435
Mr Wizard's special blend is real.
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Does Alisa have any frame traps?
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>>182727446
Batsu, literally playing on stream right now
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So is bamco gonna update the movelist to show moves that are missing at any point?
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>>182727529
Yes. A lot of them.
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What happened with Karei? Did he drown in one of these fucking pools?
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>>182727475
Now I'm wondering how 200won did.
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>>182727446
who'd speedkicks lose to?
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>>182727548
lmao no
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>>182727529
Ask cuddlecore
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>>182727345
Im maining him right now and i can say that his learning process is difficult but extremely rewarding, if you play against koreans in arcades everyday he might seem lacking but hes great otherwise
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>>182727583
Probably Take. Maybe binjing
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>>182727548
Thats part of the tekken experience bruh get good by playing for 20 hours in practice and figure shit out (not joking)
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>>182727670
>>182727583
It was Take
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STEVE IS HIGH IQ
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What's top 8 looking like right now?
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>>182727804
vietnam
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>saint
>in losers
what universe is this
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>>182727614

Eh, Steve isn't that hard to learn. He's just frustrating to play at intermediate/higher levels because he struggles to open people up and his inability to launch punish -15 shit lets other characters get away with murder.

Basically, the better your opponent is, the worse Steve gets because he thrives against mashers.
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>>182727904
A good one.
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>>182727904
A godless one
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>>182727904
the right universe
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lol that Steve downloaded that Hwoarang hard after the first match
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>>182727536
Welp...No more best boi
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>>182727869
So they weren't mad at each other
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Great matches today. I'm hyped.
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>still games going on
>turn the stream off

?????????????? RETARDS
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lmao like 80% of the hypest matches were offstream ggs mr wizard. this garbage happens every year for almost every game. can be easily mitigated by having 2 streams per game during top 32.
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MATCHES ONGOING AND THEY DONT SHOW WTF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>stream is over but the matches aren't

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Bring back SBO.
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>>182727529
not really except in strings, she only has like 3 moves which are plus on block
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>>182728105
The games aren't on the stream setup, what do you expect them to do? Tell the players to pause while they plug their capture card in?
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>>182728057
That's Nin, not Knee.
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https://www.twitch
.tv/blbeel
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>>182728129
Because the 100k viewers that are missing right now only care about Sunday's Top 8s and he realises that
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>>182728159
this should have been sorted prior to the tournament
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Top 8 looking pretty varied in terms of characters. Can't believe an Eliza made it through.
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>>182728159
no, have 2 dedicated stream stations for top 32. it's understandable that before that you cant stream everything due to logistics but top 32 should be manageable.
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>>182728159
Why didn't the hold off on the matches and just play them on stream? How much Jenkem were they huffing?
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why dont they just keep streaming?
is there a limit to it or something?
Aris and Rip seem to want to keep going
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>>182728159
>not having a capture card setup on multiple consoles so they can switch to view them on stream at any time

R E T A R D S
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>>182728207
Damn my bad.

Black shirt, glasses and asian.
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>>182728219
good shit anon
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>>182727869
Are the ps4s really set up so close like that? No wonder they're malfunctioning.
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Twitch/Blbeel for saint vs nin!!!
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>>182728219
thanks homie
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>>182728295
I think the venue closes in 15 minutes
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>>182728253
Why not? She hasn't been released as DLC so nobody can practice against her, can't even learn her fucking moves for yourself yet

im not even mad about eliza but its bullshit that shes allowed in tourney when most people can't even practice against her
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>>182728384
>Evo having venue limits
Sad!
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>>182728384
>not negotiating with the venue

is there some law in vegas about closing times? it's only 10:30 pm out there.
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So they dont play tomorrow at all? Is there a tekken schedule?
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>>182728510
Finals on Sunday
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seeing the games live is kind of shit
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>>182728395
How is it bullshit? She doesn't play too differently from Akuma. Hell, Saint utterly destroyed 200won by playing aggressively. Eliza's strength seems to be in defensive play.
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>>182728395
Poor Koreans aren't getting three years of advantage, huh?
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>>182728395
Do console tards not have eliza?
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>>182728384
I don't think that's the problem

KOF top 8 is still going on and it's not gonna end in 15 minutes
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>>182728635
man you are the stupidest
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>>182728635
Everyone who pre-ordered has her.
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>>182728510
Nope, they're up to Top 8 today, next is the Finals on Sunday
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This has to be one of the worst run streams ever. Did Nin, a former Evo champion, even show up once on the official stream? You have the biggest Tekken tournament ever with some of the best international competition and there's only one stream with breaks every hour to shuffle commentators after they are on for an hour.

And the official stream ends without the audience knowing the full top 8 picture.
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Is Poongko in top 8?
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>>182728763
No.
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>>182728748
yea they handled it like shit this year. looks like logistics problems.
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>>182728748
If it isn't Street Fighter or Smash it gets shafted
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Heck yes, this is how I want to watch some of the best players in the world
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>>182728748
fighting game tourneys are always absolute shit as a spectator sport. for some reason they are incapable of running a good event for viewers
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>match about to end
>2-2 NIN and Saint neck at neck
>blbeel shuts the stream down
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>>182728941
It's back up
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>>182728898
At this point I'd accept a potato filming of the matches.
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>>182728610
>a pro player can beat her so its ok

>>182728627
It's not even Koreans/Japan, it's anyone who didnt preorder can't go to practice mode and learn her moves, punishes against her, etc.

>>182728941
refresh m8
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>>182728748
>This has to be one of the worst run streams ever.
Evo fucks up an extraordinary amount of shit every year, and every time someone says it can't get any worse, Mr Wizard takes it as a challenge.
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>>182728748
it's extra bad tasting i think because rev major which was in some third world country was way way better.
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Evo top 8:
W
JDCR (Drag/Hei)
Anakin (Jack)
knee (literally everyone)
JEOndding (Chloe/Eddy)

L
Take (Kazumi/Bryan)
Taisei (Steve)
Suiken (Feng?)
Saint (Jack)
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Saint 2 - 1 Nin
Saint advances to top 8
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tfw kodees matches werent streamed

no kazuya play at all

;_;
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>>182729081
suiken is an eliza player
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>suiken
literally nobody saw that coming
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why does everyone in the fgc still dress like it's 2010? i've never seen so many snapbacks in one place
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>>182729081
>TWO JACKS

B-but hes not high tier guys he just has s-solid fundamentals haha
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>>182729081
Saint seems like a very strong player generally. I'm expecting him to take it but we'll see.
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>>182728253
What is top 8?
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>>182729081
Suiken used Eliza. Aris gave high praise to his Eliza play.
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>>182729180
its fitting because the production values of their tourneys are straight out of 1998
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>>182729230
>>182729081
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>>182726820
Beel is still streaming EVO

https://www.twitch
.tv/blbeel
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>>182729359
it's over, Tekken 7 got its top 8
poor NIN, he chocked up final game and the endless onslaught from Saint blew him up
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>>182729081
How good is JEOndding? Somewhat new to the tekken pro scene but apparently this guy just breezed through everyone with Chloe/Eddy. Just a gimmick or is he legit?
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the fact that a player made it to top 8 without appearing on stream at all is beyond retarded
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>>182729081
>no xiaoyu
called it
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where can i go to read more people complaining about the stream sucking?
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>>182729429
Not just one but two.
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>>182729457
Gamefaqs board is a goldmine for complaining, but you have to be a masochist to go there.
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>>182729457
your moms house
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>>182729423
He's legit the best capo and Chloe in the world, easily. He makes Eddy look like a different character than the ones you get cheesed to online. Watch some of his double Capo from TTT2, shits insane
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>king jae on stream
bruv........
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>>182729423
He's legit.

>>182729438
>Tanukana drowns in pools here and at revmajor

Seems like she and PLing are frauds.
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>>182729018
Namco could've run another stream themselves. Tekken only got 2 hours on the official Evo stream anyways. Their trying to push Tekken as an Esport with the TWT and Evo is the games premier tournament aside from the global final and it was awful. I don't even recall any early pools games that were exciting and then the cut after the first round of pools to top 8 was a rushed mess.
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>>182729423
He won a team tournament grand finals by himself. He's alright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4qf2YT6jk
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>>182729423
Watch this if you wanna see why he's the best Capo there is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4qf2YT6jk

Also streams on twitch.
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Legit so disappointed we didn't even see saint vs nin and nobi vs take on stream...

4 big stars in the tekken community completely shafted for no fucking reason
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>>182729608
this event was an embarrassment and it will be shocking if another t7 tourney will pull numbers like this again
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WHERES LEO HUH? WHERE IS LEO? THOUGHT XE WAS TOP TIER?
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>>182729823
no that's jack
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>>182729607
Tanukana partied too hard the night before
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>>182729823
Not many people play Leo. Relax.

Why do i sometimes get the final round version of stages in practice mode, is it something you can change?
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>>182729823
Kurokuro lost to Nin in winners and losers.
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>>182729880
brb googling some good interracial JAV videos
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>>182729081
JCDR played Jack too.
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well night lads its 7am here
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who are some good rushdown/offensive characters? the ones that stay putting on pressure?

i know steve is really offensive but he's way too high iq for me
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>Jebailey got more stream time then Nin (zero)
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>>182730013
paul is best unga character
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>>182730013
Josie for low iq unga
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So how does Akuma's damage scaling work? No way he should've hit 90% off that combo.
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>nin was on but didnt get shown
>lost

Bums me out but it's cool there's a steve in top 8.
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>>182730013
heihachi,kat,kazumi,law,hwoarang,miguel,paul
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>>182730078
Can Eliza hit the same amount?

>>182730107
Sucks that Nin is dropping Steve after today according to Rip and Aris.
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>>182730013
>>182730151
and nina
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>>182730197
I've seen some webms/videos of someone doing 125ish to 110 damage combos with 2 bars of meter from one end of a stage to another but it depends on the stage I guess.
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>>182730078
until you leave the ground Akuma does 100% damage iirc. Basically his ex combos work like strings.
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>>182729081
>It's a Knee vs JDCR Winner's Semi episode
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Is Nin really dropping Steve?
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Should I main Lucky Chloe since everyone plays Kazumi?

I want to wan tu on people
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>>182730495
Tekken at its best in my opinion
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>>182730538
follow your dreams anon. remember to never skip intros/outros
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>>182730537
As far as we know, yes. He was getting recs on who else to play from other players apparently
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Saint will be at least Top 3. People are straight up intimidated by Jack and it messes with their gameplans.
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>>182730537

Apparently. Steve sucks.
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>>182730495
It would happen in winners finals I think. Its Anakin vs Knee and JDCR vs Jeon
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to be honest right bruv kingjae will make it out of the losers losers bracket and 12-0 jdcr and saint
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this game is fucking garbage online, can't punish shit, 5 bars turn into 2 or sometimes even 1 fucking bar matches
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>>182730495
>it's a Knee loses to JDCR in winners and finishes off Saint in losers as revenge episode
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>>182731048

No shit, it's a fighting game online. This shit is meant to be played local, online is for trying out strats, matchup knowledge and memeing on people.
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>>182731170
except arcades are largely online play
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>>182727569
Not competing. Anyone knows why though? He was top 4 at the KoIF.
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>>182731258

What's your point?
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Mr naps also did a no show
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>>182730631
>>182730747
Wow. That sucks. Can't imagine how it must feel to drop someone you've dedicated so much time to.
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Why do some people seem to really hate Bryan?
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>>182731747
snake edge and orbital i think
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>>182731747
They suck
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>>182731747
snake edge and orbital
honestly his snake edge is really bad and you can see it coming a mile away
orbital tho? especially neutral jump orbital is fucking nuts.
he has good mids and taunt works extremely well at the wall. a lot of people say taunt jet upper, but you can still do a lot if you don't do jet upper
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>>182730747
i thought steve was top tier
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>>182732372
Maybe he's not tournament viable like kazuya
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>>182732372
he probably is, but it's "too much effort for reward" type of thing
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Tips for mashing Hwoarangs?
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>>182733212
Downjab more, sidestep to his stomach side when he's in flamingo
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is heihachi not a popular character?
outside of jdcr i feel like nobody uses him
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>knocks you in air
>grabs you
There can't be anyone with easier juggles then Gigas right?
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Who do I watch to learn Akuma?

>>182734148
You don't see him in the tournament for a raisin.
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>>182734132
because he isnt cheap
dumb american niggers only like cheap characters like josie and hwo
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>>182734531
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I'm late to the party. Did Speedkicks and Chanel even attend? What about "bruv" Kingjae?
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>>182729081
>two jacks
Dr.B will defend thid
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>>182734132
you have to be korean to use him correctly
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So is the Tekken top 8 tomorrow or sunday?
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>>182735109
Sunday 12:30 PST
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>>182729081
>JEOndding (Chloe/Eddy)
Fuck yeah, sad I didn't see him play
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>>182735109
sunday
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https://clips.twitch tv/PowerfulFreezingScorpionMingLee

Tanukana crying after being eliminated. Don't watch it more than once.
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How do we end this Korean domination?
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>stand still for like 10 seconds
>opponent just sidesteps and backdashes away like a madman
Nigga what are you doing
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>>182735236
lmao

bopped by a guilty gear player
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>>182735236
thank was looking for some jo material
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>>182735236
she looks more like she choked- o wait
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What's the best way to sit down and force myself to learn one character?

I get so bored of doing it but i'll never get past green ranks if I keep this up.
>Want to learn Akuma or Kuma. can't force myself to sit down on it.
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>>182735795
>playing bears

first step should be picking a real character. stay with akuma.
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>>182735795
Maybe learn an actual Tekken character that isn't a joke?
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>>182735889
Akumas no joke, just a terrible beginner character
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>>182727220
sick
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>>182735314
Zoning
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>>182729081
Spoiler: Grand Final is Jack vs Jack
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>>182735938
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>>182729717
whats his stream name?

Is he the fucking korean who literally switches characters after every match?
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>>182736457
Seconding this, can't find any jeondding on twitch
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>>182736457
>>182736617
https://www.twitch
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>>182729717
But can he make Chloe competitive?
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>>182735795
If you have to force yourself learning a character it probably isn't the right one for you
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>>182736175
More like they just learned what zoning was. Dude just kept back dashing and dancing around with no plan. I literally stood still for a good 10 seconds to see how long he'd do it
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>finally got the iws1 timing on nina
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>>182736682
I get the impression he mostly plays Eddie at least lately on stream

Do we have any footage of him from evo?
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what does the tilde in "-16~-15" mean on rbnorway framedata pages?
does the number after the tilde mean "if spaced/hits at the tip"?
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Heihachi players are always willing to have long sets. They just might be my favorite guys to play against
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>>182737346
theyre the most honest tekken players
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>>182737346
Bots always have stamina.
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You can tech throws during recovery, right?
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>>182737239
yes

throws are only untechable when they're from the back or if they catch you during your power crush
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>>182737852
yes. you can always tech any throw unless you are back turned or caught in the startup of a power crush.
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>>182729880
probably fucked 2-3 guys too
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>>182737239
it just means -16 to -15 on block, depending on when it hits. basically, an indication of active frames.
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i call him hwoarangst
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>>182729438
>no Xia
>but a Lucky Chloe
WHO TOP TIER NOW BITCH

i don't think he actually played any LC at evo but I'm counting it still
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>>182737930
>>182738391
Alright, just wanted to make sure. Can't play the game at the moment.
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>>182738537
he did. twice on stream, probably more. people don't know how to play cs a chloe as good as him, and i'm sure he knew that. great tactic for a 2/3 tournament.
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>>182738401
>imagine being black
>going to EVO with your bro
>sign up for tourney for fun
>both of you and your bro got match up against some long eye autists who probably memorized all the frame datas
>we both get 6-0 perfect'd
>go to after party orgy with Tanukana afterward
>drunk til next morning
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>>182738712
Have you got a link? Only saw his Eddie destroy that Hwo
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>>182738865
sorry i'm about to head to bed, but it was definitely in his pools matches if that helps you sift through vods.
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>>182737239
Some moves have different frame data depending on when or how they hit. For example, King's cross-arm tackle will recover earlier if it hits at the end of the tackle rather than the start, and a standing block against it will be staggered while a crouching block won't.
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>>182738978
Found one of the matches, don't think others were recorded
https://youtu.be/AzkPCnUOF6M?t=42m55s

He is just fucking with this dude
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>it's a "you can't do oki or even play footsies because the instant you push a button their fully armored rage art with BYTFO" episode

I'm really not sure why they put these into the game. Just remove the armor from them and make them a second Rage Drive.
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>>182739707
>I'm really not sure why they put these into the game
We want the sf4 audience.
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Alright, I feel asleep 11 hours ago. Has Aris played yet? If so, who against and results?
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>>182739812
aris lost in the first bracket
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>>182739812
kys letsplay kid
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>>182739861
Lol, can't say I'm surprised. Oh well, wish I seen it live.
>>182739879
I don't even want to understand your logic of how liking Aris = LP.
Did you get banned on his stream or something?
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>>182739812
Aris got bodied by either 200won or Suiken. Then he lost to the next person 200won/Suiken sent to losers.
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>>182739707
>>182739728
if people are trigger happy with their rage arts just forward dash and do nothing to bait it then kill them for it.
if you get hit by raw rage arts it's your fault, just like ultras were in sf4
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>>182736843
Chloe's probably just to entertain the stream, honestly. She's just terrible compared to Eddie and anyone else in the game in general.
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>>182739956
Is there footage of his match, or was it done off-stream?
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>>182739957
and if theyre not then how do you even bother to apply your offense since it is always an option and an important one at that
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>>182740083
Off stream. Suiken and 200won breezed through their matches, sending everyone they faced to losers and not a single one of those matches was shown.
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>>182739956
He lost to 200won in winners of his pool, and then lost to OffInBed in losers
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if you had to pick, would you rather have a hopkick or an orbital?
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>>182740158
>>182740182
Oh well, shame there's no footage. Thanks for the reply, Anons.
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>>182740102
If they're not and you have the life lead, don't attack. Make them come to you. If you don't have the life lead, bait it out.

>>182740083
Nope. Off stream. Though he did give high praise to both of those players during one of the matches he was commentating. Both 200won and Suiken were using Eliza though.
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>>182740205
Depends if I have a good standing & WS launcher to compensate for losing the hopkick. If I did then orbital for sure.
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>>182739950
Stop sucking eceleb cock.
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>>182740559
someone shoot this stoner
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>>182740559
I'll suck your cock faggot
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>>182740102
when you're ahead in life theres no reason to get greedy and take unnecessary risks, play patient and defensively and they'll have to make a desperate move to get ahead.

honestly i am always more wary of ragedrives near the end of a round, rage arts are scary but a huge risk, most ragedrives (if not all) are + on block and can be a lot nastier
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>>182726820
>struggling to get past 3rd Dan with Steve
>switch to Paul
>Fighter in one day.
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>>182740893
paul is completely busted in terms of risk/reward
I'm surprised he doesn't have more tournament presence since he seems like a very strong tourney character like jack
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>>182740893
you can play paul if you have 5 braincells
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>>182740987
that's not Katarina.
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>>182741016
Why Katarina? Just because she has easy, suboptimal combos?
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>>182741007
good picture

>>182741052
a lot of people don't know you can duck during her meme strings and launch her ass into the next game

easy fisherman slams
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>>182740893
UARRRGH
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>>182741210
OSU
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>>182740559
Believe it or not, Anon, liking someone for their content doesn't mean I'm sucking their dick. I know, shocking.
I guess you don't have friends too, since liking people means you're a cocksucker.
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I give up trying to play Jin, this character isn't for me I think
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>>182741365
Same here. He just doesn't feel right, I'll stick to Bryan instead.
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>>182729081
wtf chloe is top tier? picking her up today
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>>182740893
what do you even do as Steve anyway?

It's really hard to launch anyone.
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>>182740893
Did you think the Uunga meme was fake?

That shit is why I play Asuka. If you want to get good with her then you actually have to learn the game properly. Once I am confident that I have the game down, I am probably going to pick up Josie too, but I know full well that Josie is sort of a noob trap.

The odd thing about Paul is he would generally be considered honest and good for learning the game if he didn't do retarded amounts of damage in one move.
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>>182729081
>Jack vs Jack grand finals
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>>182741620
Fish for CH with your frame advantage out of the ass
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Arsenalty plays a really good Jin

TMMs Jin is better though
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jin is shit and low tier

there I said it
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>>182742235
People tell lies everyday, that's not very impressive.
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>>182742078
TMM is an online king-dodging fraud
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gigas is shit and low tier

there I said it
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>>182742379
I see nothing wrong here
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>>182741757
Steve doesn't even have frame advantage most of the time. All of his duck cancel memes are interruptable by a generic d/f+1, but it's impossible to do on reaction.
Except for d/f+2 cancels, since it's a slow button and there's no risk of eating a followup if he decides not to duck.
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Can someone give general frame data to me? It seems like it comes into play with the commentary on the evo tekken stream, but for example a lot/all hop kicks are launch punishable right?
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>>182743225
uhhh

jabs are universally 10f and +1 on block
lows are all punishable on block
hopkicks are usually -13 so not launch punishable, save some exceptions like lightning screw and jin's can cans
orbitals are safe
electrics are positive on block

idk what else you want to know
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>It's a "I land an unblocked hit on the opponent then press 1, but they somehow beat me with their own jab" episode

What in the fuck?
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>>182727271
Raven is sick and stylish and sugoi. Maven is a stupid nigger power ranger weebtrash teen fuckslut ass monkey
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>>182743432
oh just broad stuff like this is perfectly fine, it's my first tekken game so i'm learning as i go and needing to know a lot of char-specific frame data is a bit too much for me right now
i'm a shitter
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>>182743432
>lows are all punishable on block

Sometimes it really feels like this doesn't apply to Dragunov.
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>>182743585
ws4

it's shit but it's still better than nothing
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what in the flying fuck
they showed retards playing in pools for the whole fucking day yesterday but half of the amazing fights in top 32 were off stream? fire the staff
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What's the deal with Knee and other koreans? JDCR and Saint seem to hate him, especially Saint
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>>182743830
You won't become one of the best in the world without a few haters
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>>182741260
>he has friends

GTFO fucking normie
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>>182742078
TMM is a dumb, like King Jae of Sweden
amazing execution though
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>>182743830
my impression is Knee thought very little of them back in the day, not bothered to play them in the arcade or some shit
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was RIP vs Knee on stream? I want to see the blowout
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>>182744110
Yeah. it's about 12 minutes in on pools 2 round 2 vod on Tekken channel
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>>182743830
Knee wouldn't buy JDCR a sandwich or something.
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>>182744260
thanks man
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How do you deal with Hellsweep from the Mishimas?
The ones that start low are pretty much impossible to react to, wat do?
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>>182743912
>King Jae of Sweden

pretty far off the mark there buddy
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>>182744356
dumb is a dumb to me
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>>182743830
JDCR and Knee had drama during T6 and Tag 2, and Saint is best buds with JDCR. Nobody except them actually know what the drama was about.
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Any good Eliza clips?
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Just bought Tekken 7 this week. Haven't played any other games in the series since Tekken 3 as a kid. Having fun so far beating the story and just messing around in treasure hunt.

Trying to learn the game now, and I've been playing Leo. She's treating me well so far but I'm having difficulty finding ways to get juggle combos, most I seem to get is typically 6 hits. Opening them up is easy but once I've got them in the air I'm sort of unsure what to do beyond the 1211 or 1214 combo that I know, or just other one or two hit moves that don't really go anywhere. I'm pretty new to fighting games in general. Because of this, I'm not entirely sure that Leo is my character but she feels better than half of the others I've tried. Any tips for finding a good home or tips for beginners in general? I have checked out the videos in the OP which were incredibly useful.
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Why is JDCR such a nerd.
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>>182735236
And this faggot was bragging afterwards in twitter. Should get murdered on the steets.
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>>182744793
check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXok7WbTyCA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTf3UVgioLM
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>>182744994
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Still looking for Kibernetik to play the tournament match. Anyone got his Steam account?
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>>182745212
Thanks. I'll try practicing this stuff and see if I can do it reliably. Still getting used to the button notations.
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>>182744017
Knee played Aris in an arcade though, how much could anyone possibly think of Aris
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>>182745505
How hard is it to remember ?:
1 2
3 4
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>>182738817
>>sign up for tourney for fun
>Pay money when you know you're shit.
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>>182735236
no sound?
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I'm not sure what this means for vsync off vs vsync on desu or why he never measured vsync off vs vsync off
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Any Jin mains want to talk tech
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>>182745629
That's like saying people should never go play golf because they can't beat the pros. They aren't paying because they they think they can win it all, chief.
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>>182745571
Not just 1234, that's the easy part. It's all the moves like KNK and shit.

Reading stuff like "d+1 (ch) ws3 f+4~d/f ws3 f+4 KNK+2 S! dash f+1+2" quickly is difficult. I have to stop and read it and then slowly figure out each part in game rather than fluidly play through it.
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What was going through LTG's head here?
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>>182745754
give me one reason why his stance sweep doesn't juggle
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No matches today right?
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>>182745795
is that a pony on his shirt
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>>182744356
It's pretty spot on to be honest bruv
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>>182745695
Holy shit, i didn't think the difference was actually this big. So PC gets less than 50ms offline with vsync off, while PS4 is at ~114ms after the last patch.
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>>182745865
looks like it, and a gamecube controller for smash too

what an individual
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>>182745795
he would have beat LTG if he didn't pull that stunt. There's no way that choco pie tasted better than LTG tears while being beaten by a brony
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>>182745814
it does though?
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>>182745865
>beong so obsessed with horses you see them everywhere
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>>182745906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBuNqCtHv9I here's the video
he does explain on vs off but I'm not sure about the conclusion of it
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>>182745906
50ms is the best result, not an average one
>>182745695
He said settings other than vsync don't affect input lag if your PC can run it at 60 fps
What bothers me is that online with vsync on vs off you and your opponent will be 3 frames apart, how the fuck does that work without breaking the game? This also probably means that you'll feel more lag when your ping is bigger than your native delay
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>>182745793
You don't have to know most of it though. Most of that shit is hardly used and generally refers to character specific stances. There are only a few that you need to memorize (like: ~). The rest are pretty self explanatory or easy to figure out, such as CH meaning counter hit.
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>>182745942
Are you thinking of his crouch dash
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>>182746135
I thought it was the same move, doable from both crouch dash or stance. I never played Jin but that's what the frame data said when I checked it.
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>>182746080
That is YOUR lag on YOUR inputs.
You get a more lagstationlike experience if you keep vsynch on but that doesn't change how the game runs overall.
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>>182745942
it doesn't
it doesn't even give you a guaranteed d2
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>>182746327
So he can only follow up the sweep if he does it out of cd but not out of stance?
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>>182746346
yeah, they're different moves
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>>182740979
There was plenty of Paul at King of Iron Fist last year and at the Evo Japan prelims this year.

>>182743830
JDCR: Back during the 6BR days, JDCR wanted the 1P side cause he feels better playing on it. However, Knee got mad at him for not taking the vacant 2P side during his deathmatches. Also, Knee got mad at him once for not taking a runback deathmatch. This led to Knee calling JDCR derogatory remarks and shit talking him and it all ended up building this way.

Saint: Guess who JDCR's best friend is?

Kkokkoma: As East Asians, Korean culture is predisposed to respecting your elders. Knee is older than Kkokkoma by 8 years but Kkokkoma addressed him too familiarly even though they aren't close and Kkokkoma sometimes cursed after deathmatches with Knee. Kkokkoma also shit talked Knee with people like Nin and since he was young he was even manipulated into filing a lawsuit against Knee(which was BTFO and to this day people still meme Kkokkoma about it)

General: Knee was undoubtedly the best DR player in Korea, and possibly the world. All the fame and money he got from playing made lots of people jealous of him since they weren't getting paid to play like he was. Knee also had personality issues prior to Chanel fixing him up, which also manifested in his streams where he used to be regularly late, uninteractive with the viewers, and gave an unfriendly atmosphere


>>182744331
Random ducking is a habit you have to develop against any Mishima. Just tone it down against Hei.
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Hey guys, I'm a relatively new player and I just won a match with Josie using a move I don't know how to do, http://plays.tv/video/5969fe7d3620e42219/i-literally-cant-believe-i-won It's on the second clip

Is it like a counter or something?
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Bought T7 on the recommendation of a (much more experienced) friend. It's my first fighting game and I'm having a blast practicing combos and whatnot. I wanna do some research on my own. I have a few questions.

1) Executing combos in training is easy. Executing them against an actual player is not. Any tips on how to keep my cool and execute combos in an actual game?

2) I know frames exist. I have the most VERY basic of them. I wanna learn more. Any resources aside from the ones in the OP?
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>>182746209
No his stance sweep is completely different
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>>182746457
It's counterhit b2?
Also playtv has an upload option for your clips? That is a pretty nice feature.
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>>182746507
Very basic understanding of frames. I forgot a word.
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>>182746457
That's her parry, done by 1+2. It only parries right punch attacks.
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>>182746507
My advice as someone who also just started is play a bit of Treasure Battle, you can easily predict the AI's movement since the first matches won't be hard and you will be able to try the combos or basic moves against a moving target

Other than that I'd just say that keep playing quick matches, it's just a matter of time before you get used to them
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Paul and Eddy players are subhumans
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>>182746736
eddy is high iq
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>>182746590
I can make several clips while playing and then just group them together and make a video :d
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What's a good fighting game pad that's not Hori FC? Can't find them in my third world shithole.
Diagonals on DS4 feel so inconsistent, i can't use this garbage anymore. Even my cheap-ass logitech pad is better in this regard.
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>>182746669
Thanks, I guess I was just really lucky I hit that lol
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>>182746802
I think they work fine
I'm only having problems KBDing with sway characters but it's an old pad so whatevs
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>>182746773
>crushes every existing move by mashing 3 and 4

heh...nada pessoal...
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>>182746736
Paul players are 10x more subhuman than Eddy players

Paul is the lowest of the low if you main Paul you're a fucking chimp
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>>182746673
Thanks, anon. Any idea of where I can learn about frames?
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>Knee vs Anakin
>Suiken in top 8
I don't want to wait until Sunday.
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>>182746897
Not really. Paul would be totally legit if they lowered his damage a bit. Eddie will always bee trash.
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>>182746967
I haven't personally looked much into them either, since I wanted to try and get a better game feel, like knowing how to punish, backstep, etc

I think Aris (AvoidingThePuddle) has some videos on Input Buffering/Frame data but I'm not really sure
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Fucking this im playing Leo

Time for niggers to just guess against me
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>>182746507
>1) Executing combos in training is easy. Executing them against an actual player is not. Any tips on how to keep my cool and execute combos in an actual game?

The thing about combos is you won't just be able to do them whenever in a real match because your opponent is likely gonna block, evade etc. A good way to practice it is emulating a match situation where you have to actually have to react under pressure and keep something else in mind, and successfully land the launcher into combo then.

So for example use the recording tool in practice mode and make the dummy do a bunch of random high and low strings that you have to counter in different ways. Maybe a bunch of jabs and then one where you have to block low or one where you can sidestep and punish inbetween. Then block until you see that one unsafe move, react accordingly, launch punish and combo. Maybe also make the dummy use a throw now and then that you have to break, so you don't get too comfortable just blocking.
Just by creating a situation where you have to pay attention to multiple things it makes suddenly going into combos that much harder.

Also same works when you have a counterhit-launcher and you put the opponent on random block and random counter hit, only going for the combo when you confirmed you actually landed the CH.

Hope that makes sense. Ultimately njthing's gonna replace actually doing it in a real match though.
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How do I practice so I can successfully press two button at once, every single the time. I swear I've lost so many matches because accidentally press one button too late and I weren't able to execute the move I wanted. I'm using an Xbox One controller and put my hand on the face buttons like a fightstick. Is an actual fightstick easier?
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>>182746507
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>>182741007
>yoshimitsu
>1000 matches to get out of green
>butt bleeds every match

>dragunov/paul/brian
>orange in under 100 matches
>literally mash shit

Yoshimitsu presence on this picture makes me mad. He has no cheap shit and he is execution heaviest characters in the game. Delete him or I will find you and rape your corpse.
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>>182747650
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>>182745778
No you dumb nig, that's like saying people shouldn't enter pro tournament why they can't choose the correct club.
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>>182747684
How the fuck do you lose in low ranks as Yoshimitsu

Do literally anything and this dumb asshole does some stupid meme that no one has any idea how to counter

Durrr lemme just fly with my sword or sit on the ground or fucking dissapear mid air or walk on my swords

Fuck Yoshimitsu
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>>182747626
in case you're not familiar with this:
holding a button adds that button to every new input ie 1(hold), f+2 ends up as 1, f+1+2
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>>182747626
You can assign multiple inputs to the shoulder buttons, like 1+2 and 3+4
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>>182747791
>try to pull one of your memes
>brian/hwo/law just armor through your face with 1 hit 40 hp move into full combo or simply jab you before you can execute shit with your aids slow stances
>all strings with lows are legspin which is like snake aids speed but 75% less damage and not comboable
>everything else is simply stand blocked
>unblockables are slow as fuck
Yeah tell me about it. Can you post your profile image with at least orange Yoshi or go fuck yourself?
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>>182747935
That feels like a crutch. I want to learn it properly.
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>>182747791
If you can't figure out how to fight a guy sitting on the floor, fighting games might not be for you. I don't know how you'd react to fighting Bosconovitch.
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>>182748221
Why would it be a crutch?
You can use it in tournament play, I'd be very surprised if most top controller players don't do it.
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>>182748221
?
there's literally no reason not to use it
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>>182747791
>lemme just fly with my sword
Countered by any high or hopkick, close to zero damage.
>sit on the ground
Punished by any decent range or fast distant move, because you have this cancer spinning animation going for a whole second. Every offensive move out of it is full combo punishable.
>fucking disappear mid air
It is like worst parry in the game with lowest blockable damage which you can avoid by stepping forward and backpunish too.
>or walk on my swords
Literally any mid or high is full combo. Offensive options out of it are garbage and all blockable too.

Get the fuck out with your opinion, wooden shit.
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>>182747776
Where are the amateur tournaments?
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>>182748387
to be fair, dragonfly is actually pretty good and I'm pretty sure going into it from 1+2, 2, 1 or whatever leaves you positive
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>>182747626
The game usually let's you input two-button commands by holding one of the buttons then hitting the second. So if I want to do King's palm strike grab I just tap 1, hold 2, then tap 4.
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>>182747626
I'd say hitting buttons accurately on a fightstick is easier, yeah. But pad players can still do it, so just keep practicing.

>>182748332
>I'd be very surprised if most top controller players don't do it.
they don't
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>>182747709
that infochart is fucking garbage don't worry,

watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gtklnzge00
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>>182748735
>they don't
t. full of actual shit
shutup moron
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>>182746669
>parries that only work on a single limb
Worst meme
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Can someone explain to me why the top tier characters are top tier and yet they will never win a single major this year and will get nerfed to the ground while all these low to mid tiers keep winning tounaments are will get buffed?
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It seems like a lot of people are playing miguel. What happened?
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>>182749235
because the "low tiers" are usually super simple and straight forward which is bad in long sets (which is what korean tier lists are based on) but good in a tournament setting
characters like djin and kazuya who are super strong on paper don't perform nearly as well
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>>182749235
>Balance changes

Those happened in FR, dont expect any anymore
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>>182749235
because the tier list is really tight in Tekken 7

there are characters who are stronger than other characters but it's so miniscule that it doesn't justify having to pick your main based on a tier list to stay competitive
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>>182744419
what is this webm supposed to convey?
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>>182749235
Gook conspiracy. The tier lists aren't real, asian pros are just trying to make it look like their mains aren't top tier so they won't get nerfed
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>>182749503
JDCR and Knee shaking hands for the first time in years
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Trying to get online practice is personally difficult for me. It's filled with people who are either beginner ranked or 2nd Dan.
Not to mention, some dude I faced 10 minutes ago rage quits in a player match after the first round. Literally why.
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>>182749812
Are you eu? I'm willing to run long sets and I need practice against Leo. I'm not very good though.
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>>182749902
UK to be precise. If you live in the UK, then add me famo. I'll spar with you at 4pm, alright?
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>>182749367
>e
gigas.
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I'm trying to Kazuya's hell sweep, but for some reason it won't come out? I can do cd input fine, and I get WGF and Dragon Uppercut, but hell sweep and dragon lancer don't come out? Do you have to time those like EWGF?
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>>182749812
ask for games on discord, eu pc is the most active

https://discord.gg/FSc2ZB4
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>>182749235
The asian tier list that everybody is referring to is pretty accurate in my opinion. DJ and Ling are extremely strong and have a high skillcap.
Leo and drag are overrated.
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>>182750038
Haven't used Discord before. I guess I'll give it a try later on today, thank you.
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>>182750018
make sure you're ending in df, not forward
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>>182749812
My issue is people are either really below me so I just end up memeing or going against characters I have no idea about so I get memed on.

I just need to sit down and learn what every character can do, but that means losing a lot
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>>182749942
I'm not from the UK but it should be fine. I'll add you in a bit.
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>>182750080
That was it, thanks anon.
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>>182750121
I ran into that issue recently. Yesterday, I thought I was decent by reaching Marauder, then suddenly I got my shit pushed in by several people. Got dropped to Grand Master.

Decided to relax, stop being a retard, and go back to square 1 by practicing in player matches.

>>182750146
Alright, we'll see, lol.
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WHEN THE FUCK IS PC GETTING THE SAME UPDATE PS4 GOT!??!?! Ranked is fucking unbearable.
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>>182750224
t. paul/king main
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>>182750224
Ask Sony. They are paying to delay multiplats and not release multiplats on specific systems.
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>>182726965

2009-2011ish Jimmy>subsequent Jimmy
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>>182750014
gigas is good bruv
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basic gameplan for Miguel, anybody?
I want to switch to him from Bryan
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is it worth it to pick up bryan if I dont want to bother with taunt jet upper?

This is my first trihard tekken game where I first picked King, then Alisa, not knowing there was so much hate for them
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QUICK I JUST BOUGHT THE GAME WHAT CHARACTER DO I MAIN
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>>182750792
Nah, you can still use Bryan very well regardless of taunt jet upper. That's the hardest thing to execute in the entire game, so don't worry about it.
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>>182750792
Taunt jet upper is a meme
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>>182750792
taunt JU is really good but it's not essential to play him, he has great pokes and shits damage

plus even if you can't taunt JU you can at least taunt into df+2,1 or whatever to close rounds out with the unblockable
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>>182750820
literally ANYONE but paul
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>>182750792

Yes, taunt JU isn't his only useful option. Just being able to taunt, 2,3 is good enough.
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So we can all agree that Kazumi is the most fundamentals based character in the game right? Even more than Jack.
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>>182751067
no
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>>182751067
scrub
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>>182751067
Kazuya
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>>182751067

Yes
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>>182751067
She's the most braindead that's for sure
Kazumi guide:
>1,1,2
>d/f+1,2
>4
>50/50 meme dash
Great character
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>>182751067
>>182750894
>>182730075
>>182741652
>>182742401
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>>182751316
You forgot about ff2
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>>182751362
i'm no superman
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>>182735236

What a dumb cunt. Maybe if she wasn't flopping her tits around on Twitter and just did a little practice she wouldn't have exposed herself as a fraud.
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I'm struggling to do Akuma's D3 into tatsu
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>>182751316
>1,1,2
Are mishima 10f punishes braindead too?

>d/f+1,2
unsafe, -13. The d/f+1 is -3

>4
It is indeed a magic 4, but she needs to be quite close to actually get a combo from it.

>50/50 meme dash
It's not a true 50/50, follow ups are interruptable apart from 2 which is duckable.

>>182751427
>f,f+2
-13 on block, can't just throw it out for whiff punishment.
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>>182750018
Keep pressing df
For wgf you can just do the d,d/f let go and press 2, but got hellsweep you need to hold d/f
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>tfw scrub in both gameplay and mentality

I just wanna be decent at something
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>>182735236
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>>182751669
are you not cancelling it? akuma's special moves function the same way they would in street fighter, you're meant to do the input for tatsu asap as d+3 hits

maybe you've never played a street fighter game either i guess but you're cancelling the active frames into the special move basically
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>>182751701
your waifu is braindead get over it
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>>182752453
I don't even play her.
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>>182750265
You're right I main King
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>>182752056
dumb frog poster
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>>182752242
I got it not long after the post. What was throwing me off was I was inputing it while he was crouching down for the d3 hit not right as it hit.
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>>182745695
I dont get it, so should I just set my shit to low if Im playing online?
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>>182752801
It doesn't matter as long as you're getting 60fps
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Anyone who bitches about a character should be gassed
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>play against the same bryan player 5x in a row
>1-1 every time
>the only matches he won were the ones where he spammed snake edge
why cant i block this slow shit
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>>182752956
This. Git gud scrubs.
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>>182752956
Sorry but Steve, Kazumi and paul will ALWAYS be for garbage players
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>>182731747
Taunt, knee, jet upper at the wall is dumb
Orbital heel is dumb
His d/f+1 is insanely good
Low soccer kick is insanely good
He's scarier than Leo at the wall just because of taunt
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>>182752971

Go into practice mode, record Bryan to do a bunch of strings and Snake Edge. It's a reactable low.
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>>182753160
>Steve
unironically kys
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what makes a character defensive?
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>>182735795
I've experienced this problem myself. In the end, what I do is I pick one character I work on MOST of the time. But some days, I'll just go and learn another character.

For example, I play Feng most days. But the other day, I was practicing Kazuya combos and electrics and I even played some player matches with him. I've done this with Kazumi, Asuka, and Leo too. I still always go back to one character while being satisfied by learning other characters, even if it's minimal learning.
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Why did they not allow searching for games from training mode?
It seems like such a basic thing which just makes it so much better especially when tekken requires so much learning
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>>182752956
gigas is the worst
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>>182752956
Anyone who bitches about a character should say who they're playing first
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>>182735236
Lel
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>>182753639
I play Jin and I hate Josie, Bob, Miguel, Katarina, Lili, Steve, Bryan, and Dragunov
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I'm allowed to bitch about Paul and Yoshimitsu as Feng right

I wont call it unfair but ill call it aids
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Kasumi does literally no damage, she has to get like four hit confirms to kill while others only need 1 or 2. She's fucking garbage on infinite stages and only good with walls. 50/50 dash gets blown up by high level players all the time. No one ever gets hit by F,F+4. Fucking trash character.


And yet... I still ma-NOPE, dropped her for my bae Eliza. Ayy we in top 8 baby!
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>>182753160

>Garbage players

That's you for not learning
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Rushdown characters are trying to rush me down. Why is this allowed?
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>>182754225

What is the source of these attractive asian women
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>>182753995
u are in blue rank correct?
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>>182754341
korea
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>>182754405
and surgery
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>>182754328
I fought a Paul that did not stop pressing buttons ever. I started using my armored moves and knocking him to the ground and getting more damage on him when he was down/getting up. And after a few rounds like that he didn't know what to do anymore and kinda gave up. It was hilarious.
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>>182754225
She's not bad on wall-less stages. She can be played quite defensively and the wall-less stage gives her more room to play lame.
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I want gigas to be good. He's the only character I truly find fun but he's just shit.
Seriously if you have proof otherwise show it because even the best gigas player in the world didn't play him at evo.

Fuck who do I play instead? IS there any character that plays similar to him?
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>tfw was a Kazumi main before it was cool to main the tournament winning character
>>182754704
You stay with Gigas no matter what. You become the best, and most unstoppable Gigas player.
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is there a way to customize alisas wings to the t6 style?
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>>182753992
Pls no bully, this is my first Tekken and Dragunov is the only character that really "clicked" with me.
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>>182754405
>>182754450

Thank you but I meant more specifically
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>>182754896
Remember the basics of CQC
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>>182754650
Give her move to waste time trying to get four hit confirms while her opponent only needs 1 or 2. Those pokes don't add up when her damage is just so shit tier. And everything needs a counter hit.
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>>182754753
>the tournament winning character
what tournament did she win?
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>>182754896
dragunov is aesthetic
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>>182754401
No, Fighter
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>>182754704
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Not knowing how to punish Heihachi is extremely painful
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>>182755107
Did he actually attend at EVO anyway?
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What is it called when you are kicking someone's ass so badly that they quit?
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>>182755184
4 u
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I am shitter
How to quickly dash instantly after miguels df 2 and not go into SAV stance? really gets on my nerves.
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>>182755107
>>182755191
He played shaheen and lost in pools
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>>182753992
I only dislike playing against Josie and Eddie. Eddie isn't even bad. I just still dislike him from T3.
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>>182755184
df+1,2 is -13 and puts you in crouch so you use your 13f WS punish.
hellsweep's 2nd low is -12 despite visually indicating a stagger block.
ff+2 is -16 but pushback is absurd. not too many characters can punish, and even then not reliably, but don't run in and eat an electric either.
db+2 is launch punishable (-17 or something).
WS1 is -14, no pushback.
WS4,4 is -15.
not sure what else is significant/not obvious.
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Gigas is the worst character in this game frame wise and moves.
>You can't beat mashers
>You can't beat WR2 spam
>You can't beat launchers
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>>182755781
>didn't even play gigas
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>>182755894
ty men
>>
twitch tv/videos/159254912

offstream matches
>Ohsu Akira doing photos
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>tfw you're blue and some enternal green rank ragequits on your win

Stay Salty, Nina
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>>182755894
1,1,2 is launch punishable.
Rarely happens, but good to know.
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There's something fucking wrong with doing rage arts right in front of the wall. 3 times I've seen them hit me from behind when I'm right in front of them.
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>>182756353

Literally none of these are the reason why Gigas is bottom tier. This is just you sucking at Tekken.
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Leave Evo to me
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Guess the character by the usual commands they use!
4444, uf4, 4444,4444,4444,uf4, df4
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>>182756830
Then list why he's bottom tier and how.
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Please anything but a Jack in the grand final
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>>182755531
wait
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>>182756943
d/f + 1
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>>182756419
But your still blue
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when people say a character is 'honest' because they rely on fundamentals, do they literally just mean backdashing, blocking and punishing the entire time aka turtling?
Cause I really don't see that as honest. Any character can play that way, it's just that most people tend to actually want to have fun
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>>182756943
Kazuya
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>>182757089
it means they're fgg shitters
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>>182756970
Am I missing out on something?
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Just got the game

whats the fastest way to find a match?
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>>182757204
Use match list
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>>182756943
Katarina?

qcf+2 , d+4,2,1+2 f,f+4
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>>182757187
Some autist is getting triggered by Jack every thread.
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>>182757057

I enjoy creating salt more than measuring my dick and low ranks are better for that. I also just started playing this week. Maybe I'm permagreen too, or permablue, but time will tell.
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What DLCs would you like to see?
I'd like to see downloadable costumes from earlier Tekken games.
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>>182757187
He's extremely boring to watch
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>>182756970
It'll be Eliza, don't worry.
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>>182757089

People hate having to learn to be good at games, they only want to learn what THEIR character does and will remain shitters forever because of it.

Therefore, anything "unusual" that forces them to have character knowledge is "dishonest". This includes: + on block, interruptable strings, punishable moves that push back, decent whiff punishment, and lows that don't suck, etc.
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>>182756970
Or a Drag
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>>182757312
>>182757372
Is there some kind of tourney going on, I mean.
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tfw too nervous for ranked
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>>182757639

nigga is u srs?
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>>182757650
why?
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>>182757592
I don't think you answered my question
I don't even think you understood what I was asking
>>
how 2 git gud at fundamentals
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>>182757992
practice
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>>182757650
>Afraid to go ranked because I very often lose against complete bullshit and I emotionally invest myself way to hard into it aka I fucking rage
>play unranked most of the time
>today did especially well against good players so decide to go ranked for a bit
>get my ass fucked by laggers and bullshit
>demoted
>Be a 20W Expert

Just kill me already.

>>182757751
Yes I am, why make me as a third time?
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>>182758104
20 win expert is good though? I have 67 wins in Brawler which I consider good cause i'm new at Tekken
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>>182758104
20W Expert is nothing, seriously.
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>>182758104
just play rank to improve since people play more serious there. dont worry about your title
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>>182757992
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>>182758078
how do I practice them

I practice kbd
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>>182758250
Treasure Mode
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been using a Hori stick, but I recently tried a Panthera and I think I prefer Sanwas and battops, what about you tekgen?
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>>182758250

Once you feel comfortable doing backdashes in practice mode, do what >>182758338 suggested and practice against bots in Arcade mode or Treasure Battle.
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>>182758250
play people
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>>182758104
anon, it's not the game... it's you
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>>182758338
This.

>research
>practice mode
>treasure battle
And repeat. Once you get to Tekken God Prime in Treasure Battle, replace it with online mode if you like.
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>>182758104

This weekend is Evo, bruh

The literal biggest Tekken tournament of all time is down to top 32
>>
wait is that new? If somebody ragequits a lot his name turns yellow.
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Total newbie here. Just bought the game yesterday and I wanna learn as much as I can. I wanna spend my time efficiently. Is there some sort of training regiment or learning guide of some sort I can find online to help point me in the right direction of what I should be learning?
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>>182758338
>>182758592
>>182758534

DO NOT DO THIS

YOU WILL GET BAD AS FUCK HABITS

Trying shit out in treasure battle for like, an hour is fine, but ffs don't go to Tekken God Prime as your first experience or the next 100+ hours of gameplay will all be unlearning bad habits the CPU taught you.
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Any Alisa players Brawler+ EU/PC want to play?
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Does anyone have a steve fox guide? I found one on zaibatsu but it's for nerds
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>>182758724
what?
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>>182756416
most of this shit should be on stream
is this capcom intentionally fucking it up for other fighting games?
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>>182758807
this

treasure mode is great after learning your characters moves/combos in training mode because it shows you how to play against an attacking and moving opponent. But don't use it for any sort of fundamental knowledge beyond spamming your launchers and practising your execution
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>>182758807

But what difference does it make if you're just practicing backdashing and whiff punishing against a bot anon?
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>>182758807
Maybe if you have low IQ or some shit.

Sure, treasure battle will teach you to toss out a RA instantly because the AI runs into them, but if your IQ is larger than your belt size, you will know that shit doesn't work on real people so you won't pick it up as a habit.

Plus, the fundamentals you learn will carry over. That's why they are called fundamentals.
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>>182758807
This tbqh. Not only you'll get bad habits, but all of your timings will be off since you're not used to online lag. If you want to practice against CPU, at least do it in traning mode and set delay to 4/3 bars, depending on what you get most of the time.
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>>182758724
no, it was implemented since the game came out. After yellow is red. Is yours yellow? lol
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>>182758764

1. Read the character overviews in the OP, pick some characters you like

2. Read the top 15 moves thing in OP for the characters you want to try

3. Dick around with said characters and try to figure out how moves are used

4. Decide on one character, dedicate yourself to playing that character for a while until you learn the game well

5. Find a combo that works with the character, preferably something that works off of multiple launches. If you fail it more than 2 times out of 10 when playing, consider an easier combo for the time being; fundamentals are more important to learn in the beginning, but you should still be rewarded some for landing a launcher

6. Watch high level play of your character, try to figure out why they used certain moves when they did

7. Play a bunch of online until you start winning semi-regularly

8. Now you have the basics down and can fall into the trap of wanking off about your rank and hours of KBD practice like the rest of us
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>>182758684
Is it?
I can't find a stream though.
When will is start?

>>182758584
Of course its me. I am well aware that I am garbage.

Anyone in EU want to play against the complete scrub me? I use a Xiao by the way.
Don't expect anything.
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>>182759040

Bots do not behave like people. Again, it can be used as a short bridge between training and real play, but nothing more. Otherwise you'll end up as an eternal blue shitter who cuts his rank out of webms like >>182759070
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Is it impossible to find matches in Australia?
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>>182759212

Most of it has already been played, I think finals are on Sunday
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>>182759307
Doesn't matter. They are only trying to learn fundamentals, and those are universal.
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>>182758807
this

>>182759070
also this

The best thing to do would be >>182759040
Don't juggle out of ordinary launchers, juggle out of conversions, maybe take them to the wall, but other than that just backdash, punish and whiff punish in CPU matches. You can dominate CPU through the most unsafe spams and you might pick them up as bad habits before you go online
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>>182757243
is this satire
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>>182759412

No, they are decidedly not. IF all you want is training mechanical response, training mode is much better. Just set the opponent to do a variety of moves that require different options, then take it to real matches. Avoid the CPU at all costs while learning.
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>>182759608
Stop replying to him
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>>182759037
>But don't use it for any sort of fundamental knowledge beyond spamming your launchers and practising your execution
I found the bots will start blocking and punishing unsafe stuff like josies string into switch stance. Helps you notice easy holes in your stuff.
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>>182759694

Normally I'd ignore him but he's trying to mislead a newbie down his path of eternal shittery
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>>182759413
Ideally, you want to learn a juggle that works off of multiple launchers.
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>Play Kazuya
>Hating life, dropping wavedash and EWGF inputs and letting my opponent get away with murder
>Constantly floating between Green and Blue ranks with over 100 wins
>Pick up Jack
>Get to Green in 15 wins by just dashing around and spamming df2
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>>182758250
Pick a fighter
Use Practice and Treasure Battle to learn the basic moves
Go on ranked and lose
Keep losing
Eventually win
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>>182759717
they're absolute shit at punishing and never do good combos even at god prime

they can block well at least
>>
Is there a discord where I can find people to run sets with in EU?
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>>182758250
when playing on real matches try to practice it when you feel you are on a safe distance or at the start of a round dont overdo it though when your on a stage with walls as it will put you in a disadvantage
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>>182760152
You can try here >>182750038
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>>182760152
ctrl f discord.gg
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>>182760018
They don't need to do good combos but seeing them punish stuff most green ranks will left unpunished is a good help.
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>>182760376
This, especially if you can recognize that a good player would have blown you the fuck up for making that mistake.
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>>182760376
>>182760481

It's not worth the trade off of not getting punished on almost anything ever
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What are some frame trap setups you can do as Alisa?
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>>182760964
Exist
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>>182732593
Why no Kaz?
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>>182760964
hopkick into hopkick
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>>182759864
Yep. You got a ton of experience and a simple character that makes lower rank shitters a lot easier to fight. I just did the same but it took me 24 wins instead.
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>>182761242
this is my favorite fighting game character, _____ from ______
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why is the match list so garbage and the auto meme matchmaking so much better
>>
DUDE JUST PUNISH DEATHFIST LMAO

>Every single Green Tekken Paul match has the opponent too scared to even try it or straight up can't
>>
Who is unga enough to get a complete shitter to green rank easy without even training or learning any of its moves?
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>>182761764
>punishing deathfist online

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>182761889
paul
>>
>>182761889
Paul
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>>182759864
I doubt you wont get past fighter as people there already know how to deal with spammers
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Any love for Lee on here? I've grown more attached to the character the more I've played the game (still a newfag)
Am I wasting my time with him since there's barely any mention of pro players using him? I've also never encountered a Lee user online
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>>182761889
Got Drag to GM without looking at his movelist once. Spammed d+2, sweep and running 2, pressed kicks if i got a random launcher. Getting one more rank after that can't be much harder
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>>182761358
aganos
killer instinct
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>>182740893
paul is brain dead, mate.
steve requires thinking and even after that he is not viable if you go to an tournament because of his risk/reward ratio.
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tfw miguel's strings feel so weird compared to bryan
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>>182762454
Lmao. Loving the hard arm chair warrior facts. Fuck off.
>Inb4 that one guy said he was dropping Steve
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>>182761912

Please don't be this retarded
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>>182762030
I'll just start playing seriously once I get to that rank then

JACK is easy, dash around waiting for whiff punishes and poke with db1/ff1
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>>182762594
Not him, I wouldn't say Steve is not tournament viable, but that's definitely not his strongest format. He is best suited for long sets. Also not to mention his ext dck1 nerf in console version which puts him a bit lower on the tierlist
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jesus fucking christ fuck dragunov. every 3rd match is against him.
>>
So are we all in agreement that Xiaoyu is very good but not the best in the game now?
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>>182763450
no
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>>182763450
>Lingscum seeking validation
begone
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>>182763450
name one character that's better
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>>182763620
paul
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>>182763708
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>>182763620
Dragunov
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Need a break from Ling Bestyu. What other characters are as fun as she is? Oh and no dicks please.
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>>182763450
explain to me what is up with xiaoyu. since this whole tanukana waifu thing started I see many alot of her online.
thing is they always go for the same fucking flow chart and mid launcher. I still have to find an problem with her.
maybe it is because I play Asuka and she helped me step up my defensive and punish game?
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>>182763841
I was gonna say Feng, but then you got all sexist on me.
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>>182763539
>>182763579
>>182763620
Not that poster but I am glad to see the salt mines are still full. Eat this back turn launcher
>>182763841
Sorry bruh, there is no replacement
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>>182763841
Leo
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>>182761764
Koreans don't use raw deathfist or demoman though
>>182761912
This might be the dumbest post I've seen in a while and I visit /fgg/
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>opponent has a long string of losses
>decide give him a chance by breaking my usual routine
>end up dominating the match harder than usual
I'm sorry, random Yoshi player!
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>>182763450
>mfw SS3 cancel into rain dance hopkick
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how the fuck do I deal with howarang spamming kicks in flamingo stance
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>>182762665
>>182764126
not him but it is seriously an issue for some characters

Kazuya's ff2 punish is so fucking hard nevermind when it's laging
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Is Ling the Ibuki of tekken?
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>>182763870
xiaoyu has always been a popular character. There is a big difference between a ok ling and a good ling.
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>>182764126
>koreans dont use raw deathfist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8RmhE-qQNQ

I skipped forward and counted like 4 in 2 minutes
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>>182764160
>>182733294
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Remember not to play tekken when you're heart-broken or have stressful/pressing issues to attend to.
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>>182764297
Leo is more like ibuki.
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>>182764297
wouldn't Master Raven be the Ibuki of Tekken? or do you mean a little bitch character that just makes you guess the entire time or die?
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>>182764305
even watching korean and japanese arcade streams. I see nothing but her getting btfo by any player who knows how to block. especially against mishimas
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>>182764131
>keep getting hit by SS3
>im a ling main

I keep getting hit by sweeps in general. Frustrating.
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>>182763841
Masteru Ravenu
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>>182764131
>mfw SS3 cancel mistrust
>mfw SS3 cancel d+4 ch
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>>182764297
I'd say so.
Setplay, Oki, jumping attacks, many mixups and strong pressure
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>>182764413
but then I would never play Tekken
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Is T7 Xiaoyu about as OP as Xianghua in SCII?
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>>182764532
>>182764607
My niggas! Didn't know we had so many Xiaoyu players here
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>>182764131
>>182764607

What is a good thing to do after hitting 4 on CH with Xiaoyu aka magic 4?

If I try whatever I get to 50-60 damage but I bet you can get far more out of it.

Same with the Hopkick.
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>notice that my opponent can't break throws
>stop using throws
>notice that my opponent can't block lows
>stop using lows
i'm literally playing like a cuck.
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Just last month we had a tournament of 32, the top 8 were Xiaoyu players lol
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>>182764868
You aren't helping. If they can't block lows, doing nothing but lows is the best way to help them.
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>>182764868
>stop using throws after realizing he cant break them
>wait till clutch low life moment to throw
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>>182764868
Nothing wrong with a little 1-round mercy if he's that bad
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>>182764968
Indeed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFPW5z6ZUvM
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>>182764868
>exploit their weakness
>gets called a spammer and/or a scrub
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>>182765239
Well except that the guy could block lows, just not block punish lows. But the same principle applies.
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anyone have the link to Tanukana's leak sex clip?
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>>182764868
I'm the total opposite. My favorite is when they don't know frames so u just frame trap them to death
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>>182765448
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>>182764847
ff+3, d+2,3, F!f+2,f+214
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>>182764868
>notice opponent can't block lows
>start spamming leos sweep
>next round he (king) tries to spam lows
>gets blocked and punished every time
boy was he mad.
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>Do 1+3 throws all game
>Breaks all of them
>1+2 throw to finish him off
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>>182765516
>do a running move that is +500 on block followed by d/f+2
>they try to mash out of it every time
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>>182764868
I only do that in quick match, becasue I don't wan't to learn bad attacking habit against weaker players.
The things you truly want to learn and will last forever are whiff punishing/sidestep/punishing unsafe move.

Frame trap and throws won't work in higher level.

However, I abuse all my enemys' weakness in rank to see how high I can climb.
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>>182765617
leo's sweep is unreactable anyway
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>>182765792
Drop the game
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>>182765898
If you two are talking about d/b+4, it's i20
Post your millia blocker
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>>182765898
it's unseeable and i20 you retarded fraud main
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im trying to play online but the game says im not connected to a network
wtf
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>>182766220
try connecting to a network
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>>182766220
harada started banning unhonest players.
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Horay I made it to blue ranks despite not being able to CD facing left and not being able to electric at all.
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>>182765774
I legitimately feel like some people are using some auto throwbreak script. I mix up the throws and do them randomly as fuck and some people just ALWAYS break them. They're always Kazumi players too, playing like turtles.
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>>182766295
i am,..............
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>>182766352
are they playing need for speed or whats up with those chairs?
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>>182766524
there's a reason why it's called rage drive.
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>>182765617
For special breeds of shitheads like you I always spam my orbital. Catches all your bullshit and even crushes you out of that fuckboy duck.
>"YEA- AUUUUUGH!"
That sweet sound of Leo screaming. Music to my ears.
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So there is no EVO today?
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>>182766180
>>182766180
It's not unseeable, it puts you in crouch state and you can predict when it's coming.
EVO has yet again proved that it's perfectly punishable.

Next you are going to complain about Bryan's and Dragunov's low sweeps.
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>>182767185
Are you retarded?
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>27f average in milia blocker
So I literally can't block snake edge?
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>>182767252
>20f is reactable
Post your millia blocker
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>>182767185
not for tekken

>>182767284
do not bully
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>>182767284
>>182767185

Tekken top 8 isn't until tomorrow
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>>182767389
Just predict when it's coming bro it's not unreactable.
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>>182767389
>swf
no I'm not going to bend for you
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>>182767252
snake edge is 29f, don't even try to compare the two
post millia blocker. I bet you couldn't even block it offline
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>>182767468
Then shut the fuck up you retarded tranny main. You can't react to i20, especially online.
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>>182767389

isn't 20 frames just a ryu overhead in street fighter
i've been blocking that on reaction for fifteen years now
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>>182767475
>>182767389
>>182767370
>>182766180
>>182766137
>>182765792

The state of Tekgen as of July 2017
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tfw my brain is purposely stopping me from booting up Tekken because ill just get angry and stressed
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>>182765584
I was kinda hoping for something different, oh well.
You got anything after a low parry?
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>>182767636
post millia blocker
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>>182767550
Wow man you really get worked up by nothing
You'll make it someday, not with that mindset though
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>>182748562
Not at Evo.
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>>182767859
post your millia blocker
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>>182767737
would have been better to just block that. You kill your damage with low parry.
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>>182767859
No arguments, as expected from a Leo player.
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>>182767931
Thats not the issue here.
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>>182767886
I asked where they were, not were they are not.
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>>182767938

>>182767252
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>>182767737
>>182767931
>>182767994
didn't this exact exchange happen a few days ago
like word for word
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>>182766363
>unhonest
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>>182768163
not an argument
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>>182768163
Are you really that dumb? You either prove that your reaction time is faster than 20f average or you stop saying nonsense. d/f+4 is an unseeable low, that's common knowledge. It's blocked on prediction.
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Is there any difference between "an annoying character to fight against" and "a difficult character to fight against"? Or "cheap" and "high-tier" characters?
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>>182767550
>You can't react to i20

I just did it five times in a row.
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>>182768425
That's not millia blocker. A simple color change test is much easier than recognizing the animation of a particular move. I get 180ms average in your test, but 22f in millia
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>>182768425
That's a twitch reaction test
Post milia blocker
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>>182768292
>>182768336
>present facts
>dismiss them
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>>182768552

Keep moving those goalposts, kiddo.
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>>182768630
So will you ever post it or what
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is this scrub who can't react to 20 frame lows the same guy who tried to say it was impossible for kazumi to get out of 3rd dan?
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>>182768425
This is MUCH different than a real game situation when u have to worry about strategies, patterns, and other options for mix-ups... In game good fucking luck reacting to i20 it's impossible
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>>182768681
You're talking to several anons right now
I won't download flash to prove something that has already been proven in front several thousand viewers
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you guys are assuming you can tell its doing a leo is doing a db4 the moment he pressed the buttons. i would like to know when you can see the animation of any move.

people who says that can block hellsweeps/falling leaf are just fuzzy guarding.
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Tanukana hasn't tweeted since she lost...
RIP
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>>182768425
impossible. photoshopped.
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It's like Jaguarking from TZ all over again. Claiming he can duck EWGF on reaction.
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>>182768823
Are you referencing tournaments? In that case, tell me how you differentiate a read from reaction just by watching?
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>>182768823
You are as well.
Huh, i guess every time hellsweep is blocked on stream, that's on reaction too? I'd like to see you try blocking d/f+4 online, dumb 17er
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>>182768976
No it's not
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>>182768008
They're held in some guy's backyard, or the occasional open golf tournament (The open Championship for example)
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>>182735236
theres no sound

is she actually crying?
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>>182768748
Probably. Scrubs need to believe that everyone else is as shit as them, so that they don't have to blame themselves for their losses.
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>>182768592
Maybe post a .webm or .gif of it happening so you can get anons off your case.
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>>182768984
And how do you?
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>>182768976
oh shit that was so funny. that was before youtube and streaming got really big too
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>>182768823
>in front several thousand viewers
Oh you mean when Dimeback didn't block a single debugger from Anakin? :^)
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>>182769210
I don't. I just don't go around claiming that all pro players have unnaturally godly reactions.
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>>182769374
That's a great extrapolation, pal
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>>182769374

>i have unnaturally godly reactions

whoa

i feel like i should be higher rank than vindicator then
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>Leo mains in full damage control
lmao. How do you even imagine blocking a 20frame move when there's 6.8 frames of input lag? One moment people here can't react to snake edge, and now there are superhumans all around.
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>>182769565
>console kiddies

Oh. This is starting to make more sense now.
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>>182768748
I bet you also think you can react to dragunov's d+2 when it's only 2f faster
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>>182769671
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>>182740250
>Both 200won and Suiken were using Eliza though.
being aris is suffering
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>>182769653
I was sure this argument will come up, lmao. You're claiming that pros at EVO can block it on reaction. The tournament is played on PS4. Do i need to continue?
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>>182769690
>I bet
(You)
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>>182769671
that nigga dead
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what are you fags even talking about
what does blocking i20s have to do with leo. are you whining about getting hit with db4?
and why do you think it's impossible when pretty much everyone in every fighting game has done it at some point
jesus christ, where did all these scrubs come from
>>
How many frames of lag does the PC version have?
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Reacting to i20 is easy. You just need to train yourself to react without thinking.
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>>182769867
No shut up, it's impossible. Leo is broken. That's why there's all those Leos in Top 8.
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>>182769850
>>182745695 no data on pc online vsync off for whatever reason
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>>182769848
>>182769850
you guys are assuming you can differentiate leo's db4 from all her other moves the moment it starts.
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>>182745551
>how much could anyone possibly think of Aris
aris is a non-euclidean personality. people love him and hate him at the same time.
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>>182769848
>pretty much everyone in every fighting game has done it at some point
Yes, like GG. A game where some shitheads clamed they can react to Millia's overheads. That's how millia blocker came to be. And i still haven't seen a single result posted here.
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>>182769848
>and why do you think it's impossible when pretty much everyone in every fighting game has done it at some point
we're talking about blocking it on reaction, not just guessing right
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I'm glad scrubs starting crying about Leo instead of Josie.
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>>182769671
I main Leo and just thinking about the person who made this webm cracks me up
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>>182770009
Drop the game.
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>>182769979
>all those Leos
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>>182770276
Dropped
picked back up
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Why is the thread so focused on Leo; aren't all hellsweeps equally difficult to react to?
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I bet you scrubs can't even block demoman on reaction.
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Every time a new Tekken game comes out noobs start whining about dragon tail. Except now they're mad about Leo instead of Law. Even though Law's is still better. Feels good.
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>>182770553
leo mains, just like xiaoyu mains, start getting incredibly autistic when someone calls them out for being ss tier character mains
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>>182770553
Hellsweeps cant be react to thats the whole argument

Not even JDCR on adderral can block hellsweeps on reaction
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>>182769979
Nobody is even saying Leo is broken. His d/b+4 is unreactable, like many other lows in the game, that is all. It's retarded to say you can see it in a real match, especially online.
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>>182770553
Because the guy whining about it lost to a Leo, and he doesn't understand that other characters have similar moves. When he loses to a Law player, he'll make the same posts about d/b4,4.
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Nothing makes me saltier than a bad connection.
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>>182770735
>comparing i20 to i26
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>>182770653
you're pojecting your autistic screeching onto us
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>>182770653
>everyone making fun of me is a leo main
i'm probably one of the josie mains who 6-0'd you when tekgen was crying about how broken she was

>>182770797
dragontail is i20. christ, you don't even know your frame data. no wonder you keep losing.
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>>182770735
Law's dragontail is actually seeable though. Not saying Leo is broken but the comparison is off. Mishimas, Jin, Hwoarang, Paul, Bob, Raven all have an unseeable sweep that knocks down.
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>>182770915
This has to be bait
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>>182770915
the first number is the amount of damage is does
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>>182770915
20 is the damage, LMAOOOO
26~27 is the startup
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>>182770915
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>182770797

>Dragon Tail
>i26

Just stop posting. You've lost this argument like 10 times over by now.
Just like you lost to Leo.
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>>182770915
so this is the kind of player who claims he reacts to 20f lows
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>>182770915
>the intelligence level of Leo players
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>>182770660
knee has stated that if he is in the zone, calm, and there is a blood moon out he can block hellsweeps on reaction half the time

im not even joking
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>>182771105
is this embarrassing yourself o clock
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>>182770915
>mfw this guy has been memorizing damage numbers
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>>182771168
knee can also do 4 taunt jet uppers in a row
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>>182771156
no that's the intelligence level of josie mains lmfao
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>>182770915
>>182771105
17ers fucking exposed
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>>182771371
flush this peperoni
bagoosh
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>>182770915
fucking hell anon

adopt a trip so I can filter you please
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>>182770915
Man I was with you until this.
You fucking dropped the ball.
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>>182770915
this guy is bad but
>>182771105
THIS band-wagoner takes the cake for embarrassment of the day
>>
Oh my days what a thread.
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Leo's hellsweep does like 30 damage; that's why it doesn't matter if it's reactable.

Fags who can combo off lows are worse.
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>>182771168
>Using knee as an example

Lmao. Jdcr and knee are legit freaks when it comes to this game.

>>182771270
https://youtu.be/WALI0-KFBd0
https://youtu.be/RIVPIJ27poI
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>>182770915
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>>182771901
Man I hated TTT2 because of how intimating it is but now that I know what I'm doing I'd love to play 2 characters again
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>>182771901
Last one wasn't legit though in that first video.
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>>182771881
it does 39-45
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why is there a thread filled with complaints about Leo/Law lows whilst hellsweeps exists?
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>>182771901
Goddamn, i wish i was born korean
still would've been a shitter
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>>182772429
It's not about Leo or Law it's about blocking i20 moves on reaction.
>>
So tell me again, why does DJ get a full combo off of his HS?
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>>182771901
I literally can't even do it once and I tried for like half an hour the other day
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>>182751067
I would say it's Jin. I've been playing Tekken for almost 10 years now and the best word I can use to describe him is "basic".
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>>182772429
It's not about complaining, just being able to react to them or not.
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>>182772553
Because he's le difficult to use xD
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>>182772546
>>182772618
I can react to a i20 if I'm specifically waiting for a i20 to come out
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>>182772712
Post clip of you blocking every db1+2 and hellsweep from practice dummy Leo for 30 seconds.
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put me in the screencap bro xDD
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>>182772957
what's the hellsweep notation?
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>>182772546
It's literally one guy whining about how he can't beat Leo. He's also mad about Xiaoyu players for some reason.
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>>182772712
>>182772957
I think it's not impossible in training mode, on PC at least, but in a real match? Nah, with all that online lag on top of it especially. Only if you've got a read.
Lets end this retarded argument already.
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>>182770915
>this fucking guy
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>>182773149
db4
>>
How do mishima players practice your electrics?

I add by 2 on each side. So 2 on left then 4 on right 6 on left 8 on right etc etc all in a row

So far the heightest I got was 15 on one side in a row but it gets difficult after 8...

How else can I practice
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>>182752956
>Anyone who bitches about a character should be gassed

This whole thread is your fault.
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>>182773209
but people must show off their how they are better than the players getting top8 in major tourneys.
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>>182773397
>>182773397
>>182773397
>>182773397
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>>182773387
what are you doing here feet
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>>182773473
i didn't go to evo thats why, so i'm here burning up in my room
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>>182773305
>>182773149
hellsweep is wavedash 4
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>>182773762
why the name
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>>182774137
We're talking about Leo and her hellsweep is db4,1.
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>>182774329
>we're talking about [character], and [character]'s [another character's move] is db4,1

kys
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>>182774918
Dumb retard. Don't you even know what a hellsweep is?
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>>182773324
I use scribts.
I have a single button for kbd, one for wavedasing and another for perfect electics.
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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