/pg/ - Persona General

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robot is forever!!

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She's mine /pg/

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Claiming this marvelous, magnificent, mesmerizing miracle of a benevolent universe.
Best model.
Most compassionate.
I'm so proud of Ann. I love her.

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I can't wait for Persona 5 Akechi Goro of the Resurrection!

>>182515575
We know, Morgana
>>182515584
Yes ryuji

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>>182515458
Who would impregnate who?

>>182515674
I think you replied to those in the wrong order

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He's mine /pg/

What drives so many to shitpost? These threads may not be the worst, but they're such a slog that I only come here out of pure habit, at this point.

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Kawaclaimed.
Kawawriter something something.

>>182515674
Fuck off Futaba

>>182515714
The local poz breeder would impregnate them all

>>182515627

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Obligatory Makoto post

Phantom is from Sumaru City!

>>182515834
>>182515627
What the fuck is Kaiju General?

>>182515808
People respond to them.

>>182515802
Well I fat fingered it, shamful

post some abuse stories featuring Futaba

>>182515808
Lack of stuff going on, I suppose. August 2nd will probably be when it starts being less retarded.

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Shiho deserves better
Shiho will always be number one in my eyes!

If you raped Makoto would you cum in her ass or mouth??

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>>182515918
I guess this is the hell we've made for ourselves.

>>182515808
The discordfags are here so you might want to call it a night

>>182515981
>less retarded
you naive child

>>182516021
Pussy, what's the fun doing it anywhere else?

>>182515918
>>182516049
but even if you ignore them, they'll just samefag

>>182516075
Don't want kids bro

>>182516062
i doubt any of them are actually here, someone probably just made that image to sow discord

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Maids are Justice, but Chihiro is an angel because she's Maid in Heaven!
For JUSTICE!

i wanna slit Chihiro's throat

>>182516306
It's spelt made you dumb fuck

>>182516306
>Maid in Heaven

That pun is bad and you should feel bad.

>>182516403
the joke

your head

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>UUUUUUGGGHHHHH FUTABA I'M CUMMING UUUUUUGGGGHHHHHH

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I love her /pg/. I really, really do.

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>>182516306
Perfect women aren't born, they're maid.

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>>182516479
Save some for my pussy, sojirodaddy

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>replaying p4g
>finish her dungeon
>that voice
>hhnnnnggghhhh

WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US LAURA BAILEY?!

You know what fuck this I'm going to sleep. I guess this is gonna be the thread theme until these asshats leave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4

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>>182516596
In heaven

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>>182516495
Really really really?

>>182516596
Holy shit you niggers are dumb
See
>>182516403

>>182516642
Goodnight homie
Ayanami best girl

>>182516642
literally nothing is happening

>>182516730
how can a man be so wrong?

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For the anon who asked for more sunglasses Makoto

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>>182516701
You could add an infinite amount of reallys and it wouldn't be enough.

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>>182516730
Best Eva girl.

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>>182516858
Thanks

>>182516858
>sunglasses
I'm an idiot

how do i become part of the squad

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>>182516907
no

>>182516938
As expected of a Makotofag.

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>>182516858
>>182516938
to add on to it

If Makoto was a Roman Emperor who would she be?

>>182516956
Kill yourself

>>182516956
be really obnoxious and hope labrysfag invites you

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>>182516642
This song should be on every OP from now on.

>>182516956
Be so fucking annoying that no one else will talk to you but the other faggots who nobody likes.

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>>182516986
shut up

>>182516956
You must have a positive outlook on life and an infectious attitude.

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>>182516898
That's why I keep it simple and just say love.
Poetry is also nice.

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Anne's pretty greay

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>>182516989
Thanks bro

>>182516997
Elagabus

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>>182517158
Well I'm no poet that's for sure.

Are Ayanamifags the original Makotofags?

>>182517403
Who the fuck calls Rei, Ayanami?

>>182516997
Nero

I wanna disfigure Chihiro with a fire extinguisher

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>>182517280
You don't have to write it, I haven't in a while, but it's at least nice to know it.

When, in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with bootless cries,
And look upon myself and curse my fate.
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Features like him, like him with friends possessed,
Desiring this man's art and that man's scope
With what I most enjoy contented least.
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
Happ'ly I think upon thee, and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth sings hymns at heaven's gate.
For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings,
That then I scorn to change my state with kings.

>>182517403
Stop. Please, I'm begging you, stop. End this. The fucking slurry of words that you typed out is nothing but a gateway to worse and worse posts. Not only will this post do nothing to make the world better, it is actively making everything adjacent to it worse.

>>182517403
they are literally the exact same character

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>>182517546

>>182517403
>>182517546
I can see the Asuka vs Rei posts from a mile now

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>>182517546
No

How would Ann react if you cut off one of her stupid pigtails

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Dumb Riseposters!

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>>182517932
Some girls would get very upset, but I'm sure she'll manage.

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>>182517536
I enjoyed that, thank you.

>>182517932
The same as when you pissed on her face when she's sleeping

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>>182517932
She'd make it work.

>>182517648
it's existence by the way

>>182517932
Excuse me, her pigtails are not stupid.

post abuse stories

>>182518258
they seem unncessary though, she has nice thick hair

giggity

>>182518312
>makoto insult joker
>joker punch makoto
>joker punch makoto again
>makoto sad
>ryuji laugh

>>182518335
>giggity
leave

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>>182518442

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https://clyp.it/0nquly4g

>>182518312
>dad used hit me and my mom
>ran away one day, but the police brought me back
>he took off the next day and would drift in and out of our lives over the next few years
>when I got older I got into weight lifting
>one day he walked in drunk and started breaking shit
>got into a fight, police took him away
>haven't seen him since and it's been like 3 years

>>182518648
Why did you do this?

>>182518819
No reason.

>>182518184
thx, didn't see that

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>>182518312
>used to emotionally abuse and manipulate both my friends and family
>always knew that what i was doing was wrong, but never did anything about it for years
>eventually got sick of myself, cut off contact with every single person
>now the only social contact i have is /pg/
anyways haha thanks for listening to my abuse story, donate to my patreon and dont forget to subscribe

>>182519216
same

>>182518312
>be me
>be in mementos
>fight boss
>have Ann cast Tentrafoo
>had high luck purseowner equipped
>suddenly gained a bunch of money
>lather, rinse, repeat until I maxed my wallet

and that's how I abused a mementos boss

>>182518731
I wanna fuck that reindeer.

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I love Ann.

Mudo

weak

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>>182520030
Too late, I already Tetraja'd

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I'm here to save you from them /pg/, Akechi Goro, the Detective Prince is on the scene!

>>182520172
bye

>>182520172
I love Goro!

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>>182520172
Post more Goro

>>182520616
nah, i'm fine

>>182520172
Grooposters or those guys...what do?

http://cincosechzehn.tumblr.com/post/158666005466
I wonder whether it's a coincidence.

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>>182520753
I'm not.

>>182520892
It's as much as a coincidence as Joker being the same age as Takashi Kido.

As in, yes it's a coincidence.

>>182520892
if people think goro is actually dead boy are they in for a surprise when P5 Arena comes out

For the literally two people who said they gave a damn, I underestimated how many named characters were in this fucking game.

Did you know that Stalker-Chan's name is "Yumeko Mogami"?

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>>182521228
Soon, my son.

>>182521228
He'll be a non-canon DLC character.

>>182521309
august is gonna be a fucking shitshow
i wish i could leave this place desu

>>182521298
I mean... she's a target... so of course we find out her name...

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>>182521373
>concert
>maniax book with new polls

wew
It's gonna be a minefield of shitposting

>>182521228
The most frustrating thing is that if the lack of details regarding his everything is to go by in P5, we're probably going to be waiting a long time for the full story regarding him. It's also starting to bother me that Goro most likely took a long time to develop his abilities and we know Shido was researching Wakaba's stuff so it may well be that his berserking ability stems from something Shido did to him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K35OL71QCQ

holy fuck how is this song so comfy

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>>182521373
You're trapped forever.

>>182521479
I wonder who is going to get BTFO the most?

>>182521492
>it may well be that his berserking ability stems from something Shido did to him.
he already had that ability when he first approached shido, it's what he used to bail shido out of a scandal by making the guys who accused him berserk.

the maniax book's almost certainly gonna have new info on him too.

>>182521528
>cake

Sae's theme song?

>>182521959
Correct me here if I'm wrong and this is spelled out in the game, but I'm thinking given his detective image Goro most likely saved Shido's ass by outing the people who were accusing him and making their Shadows spill things that would incriminate them. Either way that book had better have more info because not even the info dumps they had gave nearly enough to establish much.

How should I build my Satanael?

MUH BROODSACS!

http://cincosechzehn.tumblr.com/post/155345272406
The biggest mystery is why on Earth did Goro even choose to keep living when Futaba alone was already on the brink of suicide and Goro as a child couldn't even think that his mom loved him the way Futaba knew deep inside that her mom's suicide note was a lie.

>>182522187
no, that's not what happened. it's spelled out in that exposition cutscene between goro and shido on 11/21. right after shido mentions the scandal thing and how goro approached him after that, goro says he made those causing [shido] trouble go berserk, undoing the scandal.

>僕はトラブル相手を暴走させて、スキャンダルをなかったことにした。

iirc it's intact in the localization too (aside from the shitty "psychotic" translation for 暴走).

>>182522587
Thanks. It's just weird to me though that he has such a power off the bat given not even Morgana recognized it, was that perhaps Yaldy's doing?

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>>182522692
Nah it was my doing.

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>>182520172
Lol. Grooposters are dumb.

Those faggots at the discord aren't that bad
It's not like they're Futabafags

>>182522940
Whats wrong with Futabafags

>>182522940
'sup labrysfag

>>182522420
different people deal differently with shitty circumstances. and we don't really know how he acted during his childhood beyond trying his best to act how people expected him to. for all we know he was close to offing himself when he found out shido's status as a diet member basically made him untouchable until he got his powers, considering how he acts when he's mentioning that.

>>182522692
morgana doesn't know literally everything. he didn't even know there could be cases like futaba's palace where 1. the palace owner could somehow enter their own palace and 2. the treasure was the palace owner, he probably just didn't know that kind of power can be a natural thing.

it's explained though. his power, just like his persona, comes from his own heart. he mentions to joker that he's jealous of how his heart is always free and he's not imprisoned by his past self/actions or human relationships. his own explanation for his power is that it removes the bonds/restraints/shackles on someone's heart.

just think of it like mitsuru/rise/fuuka's scanning abilities or chidori's ability to talk through someone else over a long distance. it's not that complicated.

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>>182523036
I woulda said meatbags.

>>182523117
Yeah, we have Ken as a good example of 'Getting revenge on the person who made my life hell and then dying', only in Goro's case obviously things got hell a lot more worse than he expected. Agreed though that Goro's particular cognition might explain his special ability since it fits with his desire to be free.

When you're doing part-time jobs in p4 is it better to focus on the quality of your work over efficiency if you're looking to get a raise? For example, should I work meticulously on making these envelopes and only get paid a part of the salary or just get the job done as quickly as I can for the full salary?

>>182523019
literally everything

>>182521643
Well, people who like side characters are all instantly BTFO by default, so there's that.

>Goro would have had to be using his power for years before Joker awakens

This bugs me. OK, so Yaldy chose Joker because Joker stood up to Shido, fine. But still, that's a long fucking time to wait and watch Goro fuck around before getting someone else in your game.

The exact same problem was in Persona 4 too. Narukami and Namatame arrive in Inaba a day or two apart, right? But when did Adachi arrive in town? It can't have been too close to when the murders happened or he would have been suspect number one. But if he had been in town for a month or two, which seems to be the shortest amount of time to allow him to integrate into Inaba so nobody would suspect him of being the killer if bodies started appearing, then why the fuck did Izanami wait so long between giving the power to Adachi and giving the power to Narukami and Namatame?

>>182523117
Honestly, if Goro thought of the aftermath of his plan even once, then the only conclusion I could see him draw would be to kill himself after everything was complete and he outed himself as a human scandal.

His boss fight also has him berserk himself, and at his most free he threatens to take himself down along with the PT. Closing the shutters was also as much an act of suicide as sacrifice from his end.

>>182523671
To add on, are we sure Yaldy gave them their Wild Card ability or is it more that people with that ability got chosen which is a more logical reason why Yaldy's game couldn't proceed until Joker showed up? Same deal with Izanami, how can you call that game fair when Adachi had a headstart?

>>182523671
he got his powers two years earlier. that's not THAT much earlier considering what his role in yaldy's "game" was. inciting the distortion of the masses through incidents is something that takes time.

and yaldabob was cheating anyway. his game was only ever fair on the surface ("here's two guys with the same ability, now let's pit them against each other and see who prevails"), he never planned to give the person representing the "leave the world as is" (aka joker) choice a fair change. lavenza and morgana even point that out.

it's not really comparable to the p4 situation because izanami's setup was supposed to be fair as far as we know. yalderoo never actually intended for his "game" to be fair.

>>182523747
Goro's entire character becomes a lot sadder when you consider he must have thought more than once that things would simply be better if he hadn't existed. Also, thinking about he actually outed himself as a bastard on his first visit to Leblanc which doesn't seem odd until considering that he's more seen as an idol than someone in law enforcement and he'd be destroying the image he suppoedly craves.

>>182523843
I would have thought that if Yaldy was looking for potential Wild Cards then he would have found one or two before Joker. Plus if Wild Cards are super rare than nothing in P1 and P2 makes sense.

The only thing I can think of is that Izanami gave Adachi the power, created the TV World, then waited half a year where nothing happened at all, then decided to speed things along a bit by spreading rumours about the Midnight Channel and giving the power to other people because neither Adachi nor anyone else noticed the Midnight Channel existed let alone Personas and a perfect murder weapon and all that shit. Like, she just didn't think it through and realized she actually needed to give people hints about how to use their new powers.

>>182523747
probably. on top of the scene you mentioned he doesn't really think about the future past his revenge plan either (when he's pressed about it by shido or on tv he just gives non-committal answers playing up that he's a student).

jp version also had him mention at one point that he'd take responsibility for shido by making his life a living hell. and he knew what'd happen once shido was outed would fuck him over too. doubt he planned on living past that.

>>182523843
it's the latter. the wild card ability is something people either have an inherent potential for or not. yaldface can only give people the chance to awaken their powers (by granting them the metaverse navigator), he can't actually grant them the wild card ability.

lavenza confirms yaldy chose joker and goro for having a certain potential, and she uses the same word that's used throughout the series to refer to the wild card ability. he didn't grant it to them, he just gave them a way to awaken it.

izanami just forcibly awakened a couple potential persona users who ended up in her town iirc. she can't outright grant the wild card ability either.

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just wondering if anyone else has thoughts on this

>>182524198
>than nothing in P1 and P2 makes sense.

A Philemon did it. There. Now it makes sense.

>>182524246
I think a lot of people who say Goro made a bad choice going to Shido underplay how he had really little choice considering he was 15 at that time and he probably thought his dad was an asshole but not so much as to dispose of everyone who so much as breathes out of turn. It's just sad, really.

> It's the latter. the wild card ability is something people either have an inherent potential for or not. yaldface can only give people the chance to awaken their powers (by granting them the metaverse navigator), he can't actually grant them the wild card ability.
Yeah, agreed.

>>182524382
I don't read fanfiction

>>182523396
I'm not sure if I'm remembering 100% correctly, but I think focusing on the quality of your work has a chance to increase the stat boosts you get, and the pay increases based on how high the stats are. Part-time jobs are best used when you want a stat increase and are low on money, but they're not as lucrative as a day in a dungeon.

>>182523671
Narukami was the last to arrive, but I assume that the game only started when Izanami had all three components she chose to pit against each other. She was the one who spread the rumor about the Midnight Channel, so it might be that the path only opened once she saw fit to begin everything. Not sure how it fits into the spinoffs though beyond it just being Inaba having the way into this world.

>>182524497
not really fanfiction, but thanks for taking the time to point that out

here's a (you)

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>>182524246
>lavenza confirms yaldy chose joker and goro for having a certain potential, and she uses the same word that's used throughout the series to refer to the wild card ability. he didn't grant it to them, he just gave them a way to awaken it.

So they had the wild card potential because of Phil and Nyar's sick kinky games they always play.

6/10:
> Goro: Adults are only interested in using the young, while they simply do as the adults say.
He says this while smiling. Good grief.

>>182524572
>not really fanfiction
Except it totally is. It even has an OC and everything

>>182524572
it is though

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>>182516596
Shiho deserve better fag here, are you still there?

>>182524725
Well, the point was to conceive a game that could clarify some of the shit that happens on the order side of things.

It didn't make sense to me to play as goro, nor use any of the existing characters because not many were defined that could operate in that capacity.

WHO it is, is insubstantial, it could be literally anything, but the point was to add clarity rather than indulge mary sue stuff.

>>182524735
It was supposed to be an abstract rather than a fanfiction story, it's intended to be more of a technical document than a story

>>182524639
or however else post-p2ep wild cards ended up with their potential. which probably still amounts to phil (and maybe nyarly) messing around.

phil's butterfly form's been around for every playable wild card in the main games so far too iirc (for p3/p4 as save points, in p5 he shows up when the vr disappears).

>>182524951
I wonder if Phil ever showed up for Goro too.

>>182524886
You can try to justify it all you want, but you're really just writing fanfiction here.

>>182524951
I'm pretty sure in the case of MC and Yu it was Philemon messing aroung. Joker too maybe.

Goro strikes me as being chosen as a Wild Card by Nyarles.

>>182525016
who knows. he does get a skill that includes the butterfly in its animation, at least, and morgana's the only other character in p5 to get that naturally.

>>182525075
The plot thickens! But seriously, when are we getting more stuff on him which will hopefully touch on the cognitive pscience thing?

>>182525019
*shrug*
if you say so, I feel like that's not the point at stake here though

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>>182524768
Whats up?

>>182525172
>*shrug*
I think Reddit might be the place for you

>>182525167
if the maniax book doesn't have anything (probably will though since they already confirmed story commentary stuff, iirc) the next best bet's spinoffs/drama cds/novelizations. whenever they'll get around to those, anyway. atlus is being weirdly slow with extra materials this time.

>>182525219
I'm really not following the points you're trying to make...

..so unless you're trying to point out how much of a shitter I am in front of strangers, it's a wasted effort.

but as always, your input is appreciated

>>182525274
And very quiet about Groo.

>>182525274
I'd also like to know how much of what Goro said on TV was scripted because it's curious how down he looks after he says hearts shouldn't be changed and he suggests that kind of power could be used for more than extracting confessions, almost like he was trying to hint at something that would most certainly get him killed.

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>>182525184
Hey at first I didn't join your group, but after seeing that pic with shiho in the group on the last thread..i decided that I want to be part of the group too. Do you still have the invite link?

>>182525356
apparently they're still trying to maintain a spoiler embargo about anything past the casino heist. which includes the traitor twist.

which is stupid as shit considering the artbook they released in december already spoiled that, but hey. atlus gonna atlus.

wish they'd get around to doing more drama cds though. the group convos in nightbreakers flowed way better than the in-game ones, i wanna hear more of that.

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deadass savage

>>182525482
I don't understand why there is an embargo. It's almost been an entire year.

>>182525482
What, why even!?

>>182525407
eh. dunno if they'll be that specific. generally i think it's safe to assume if he says anything that overlaps with the shit shido says in his speeches, it's scripted (or at least stuff he says to steer the public's opinion toward something at shido's request). rest could go either way.

>>182524886
>the point was to add clarity rather than indulge mary sue stuff.
>Sadie a Velvet room homunculus not unlike Elizabeth, Margret, and the Twins
That sounds very much like Mary Sue stuff. Were you playing on having Sadie and Goro fall in love or some shit too? On a serious note though it sounds pretty shit, as all fanfiction does. I don't want to go through another story to find out if Goro was as much of a dick as I thought he was. A flashback should suffice

>>182525475
https://discord.gg/UbZP7M

>>182525639
I appreciate both the insight and the consternation.

>>182525582
>>182525568
atlus wants their red herring spoiler to still work, i guess. never mind that they spoiled it themselves in the artbook already.

afaik it's why they keep treating goro weirdly in merch/official comments (sometimes he's included as a phantom thief, other times he's not, sometimes he's in group art, other times he's not, etc), and why artists for the comics anthology and other fanwork collections like that still aren't allowed to include anything hinting at that twist (or any other lategame twist).

atlus gonna atlus i guess. hopefully they're not gonna keep this shit up for much longer.

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>>182525592
That's a good point. I don't think literally all of it is scripted but if Goro really was trying to hint to people to not do things that would have Shido and him by extension on their asses that makes him even more a compelling character than he already is.

>>182525754
>hopefully they're not gonna keep this shit up for much longer.

Yeah because it's retarded.

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>>182525716
Thanks

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Futaba is shit

>>182525754
To which I say, what twist? The twist was never that he's the traitor, it's that he's also a Wild Card. Like come on Atlus.

Now that the dust has settled, we can all agree Makoto has the best tasting pussy, right?

i wanna curb stomp Futaba!!

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>>182525929
>>182526081

y-yeah anon!

>>182524198
>Like, she just didn't think it through and realized she actually needed to give people hints about how to use their new powers.
Izanami has been doing that for possibly centuries before P4 happened, we know it happened at least twice before and she was already spreading rumours about "Midnight Radio"

>>182525929
>>182526081
>treating your little sister character that way
You people are shit.

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"adults cant use persona" t. trinity soul

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>>182524382
Your OC reminded me that they never explained why Wakaba had a palace. Seemed like a interesting thing to brooch. There was even this unused alert icon so they were definitely considering it at some point.

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>>182525929
She really is though

>discordfags think that this is an "offensive"
Come on. It's not even (you)-worthy.

>>182526347
I appreciate that!

The point wasn't to make a special snowflake character but rather explain some of the more....murky points in the story, especially considering the kooky science parts

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>>182526375
>can't detect sarcasm
What a loser

>>182526347
He could've just murdered her shadow in Mementos, you know.

>>182526347
Oh, neat! That's something they really need to touch upon because as people said before no one who gets involved in such research isn't shady as fuck.

>>182526409
I'm not quite sure if Goro ever had any sort of help which is a criticism regarding your idea in that it doesn't appear to fit how badly he ended up, but it's thought at least.

>>182526312
Crop out the window next time you child

>>182526312
I thought nobody was autictic enough to believe Trinity Soul was canon, but /pg/ showed me better and now I no longer have expectations anymore

>>182526469
he could have done a million things, the point is to pursue something definitive

>>182526312
It's almost like they wanted P3 to be a new IP but Atlus wanted Hashino to use a recognizable name.

>>182526498
no

>>182525850
no kidding.

>>182525958
goro being the traitor is a super-obvious twist but it helps divert attention from the other traitor aka "igor"/yaldabean. keeping the first "secret" to deflect from the second is the only reason i can see them being so weirdly careful about it. the game itself sure as fuck isn't.

>>182526347
don't think the finalized game ever specifies that wakaba had a palace actually. just that she had a shadow that could be killed.

still possible she had a palace, but also possible her shadow was just hanging around mementos.

>>182526514
That anon was making a definitive statement that Wakaba had a palace, when it is very clearly speculation.

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>>182526494
>I'm not quite sure if Goro ever had any sort of help which is a criticism regarding your idea in that it doesn't appear to fit how badly he ended up, but it's thought at least.

Despite what Akechi ends up allegating, it's hard to believe that everything he's ever done was entirely self taught from top to bottom. It's just really hard to believe that he could have figured out how to use and do everything in the Metaverse by himself without a Teddie/Morgana/Igor to add some sort of clarity...

Somebody working on behalf of Yaldy to set the stage for Akechi to -some- capacity makes more sense, otherwise I'd be inclined to believe that the deck was stacked quite a bit toward Chaos to begin with.

>>182526562
you're correct, my mistake

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>>182526661
Thanks, anon. I definitely didn't have enough existential crises to deal with.

>>182526715
Sorry, to clarify I mean divine help as opposed to Shido fucking him over even more than he already was or something likewise shady.

>>182526494
>>182526542
Even if it wasn't a palace like the unused icon suggested, having a memento shadow still implies distorted cognition/character. It just seem strange to me that no one, not even futaba, questioned this.

>>182526715
No problemo.

Can you beat the Twins at a low level? If yes, how.

>>182526783
While I do believe Shido fucked him over plenty, I don't think that Akechi would be deprived of resources if they could be used to further Shido's own aims.

Whether that's a rogue scientist that worked for Wakaba, or a homunculus created by Yaldy who could say.

I mean it's obvious that Akechi wasn't AWARE of the 'unfair game', but I wouldn't be surprised that if Yaldy had inserted an agent or two to bend the board in his favor....it just makes sense that he might cheat that way.

>>182526879
Meme samurai

>>182526861
You're right, since unlike in P4 P5's Shadows that do appear are all distorted without exception and considering that Shadow Wakaba might have said something that may well have pushed Goro's buttons who knows what really happened?

>>182526904
I guess in that case it's weird that the only person we hear of is Shido even when they start info dumping. Unless there's reasons why Goro wouldn't have wanted to mention outside help, hmm.

>>182526904
yaldy probably just kept an eye on goro himself like he did with joker. some of the shit he says in the scenes where he's still posing as igor and talks about the other person in the metaverse makes it pretty clear he knows what goro's been up to (and toward the okumura/sae arcs what's gonna happen because of that soon).

Wakaba worked in Mikage-cho!
Wakaba later got acquired by Nanjo Group!

goodnight motherfuckers
i hope chihibro dies on his sleep

>>182527184
It's almost like perhaps Yaldy and Shido was all Goro got because he was destined to lose or something.

>>182526861
Not necessarily, it might be the act of going into mementos with a specific target in mind that causes their shadow to manifest, whether they have distorted desires or not.

We only see directly interact with distorted shadows in Mementos, and they only appear because the PT are going in there for them; They're never there until you confirm their identity because without knowing exactly who they are you can't influence the collective cognition to force their shadow to appear.

It stands to reason that you could force someone not particularly distorted to appear if you wanted to off their shadow.

And EVERYONE has some kind of distortion. Even if its a little bit, everyone has a shadow; the only way you don't is if you're a persona user and thats because you already accepted it.

>>182527347
Also some food for thought, isn't it said in some cultures that knowing a person's real name allows you to control them or something? That might be why you need it to identify the target from the billion or so other Shadows lurking around.

>>182527347
Sojiro didn't

>>182527094
Absolutely! It could be a little too much extrapolation to believe that Goro could have been hiding details until the very end, but it could work honestly. I just think that there's too many dangling threads with the assumption that a whole department of research and development was aware of the metaverse, to the point they had a scientist theorize a temporary death-state to kill the PT off inside Shido.

>>182527184
>>182527297
Is it though? It really did seem like Yaldy had 99.9% won the entire game from top to bottom, even the true VR didn't have a ton of faith in Joker's ability to succeed given how stacked the odds were. If Yaldy were to truly be THAT confident, I'd be more convinced by the notion that he did more than he did to serve his own means.

>>182527347
>>182527457
This becomes a bit more unclear though, because we start to take what might be gameplay conveniences for true canon or lore with regard to how Mementos actually functions. After all, the entire crew ran into the first four bosses even though they weren't specifically looking for them after all, and in the prison you were actually able to talk to a lot of 'random citizens'.

Maybe the name helps deal with the clutter?

>>182527480
That's because Sojiro is perfect, anon.

>>182527693
Same.

>>182527568
Goro having Loki is something interesting since Loki is pretty much the most iconic Trickster there is. But yeah, who really knows what else there is to know?

> Maybe the name helps deal with the clutter?
I think that's it, you could potentially stumble on the right Shadow if circumstances allow but Shido would obviously know who he wants offed and give their names to Goro.

>>182527693
why does hifumi not have a hifumihole

she only has a shogi slit

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Is Teddie a velvet room homunculus?

Is it ever brought up?

>>182527480
Didn't what? Have a shadow?

What are you talking about? Did I forget something?

>>182527568
>This becomes a bit more unclear though, because we start to take what might be gameplay conveniences for true canon or lore with regard to how Mementos actually functions. After all, the entire crew ran into the first four bosses even though they weren't specifically looking for them after all, and in the prison you were actually able to talk to a lot of 'random citizens'.

I mean its pretty clear they need the full name to be able to encounter their shadow, the game makes a point of you finding out their name every time before you can go after the target.

Everyone's shadow is in mementos (unless they have a palace) wandering around somewhere, but Metaverse users looking for a specific person always seem to be able to find it, probably because of cognition. Were there any bosses in Mementos specifically that they weren't looking for? The first guy was the former pupil of Madarame that made a request, right?

>>182527774
What if Goro is supposed to be the original trickster?

Literally nobody but maybe the Frenchies think about Arsene in terms of ultimate tricksters.

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>>182527824
He's a Shadow anon.

>>182527824
Teddie was just a normal shadow. That's it. He grew an ego on his own and became a "person"

>>182527347
Fair point that the PT only ever targeted distorted people, but in the depths hey also did explain how only those with particularly strong distortions would be found outside, and then the strongest of those having the palaces.

Also I don't think the game ever established that everyone must have a defined shadow-self.

>>182527824
He's a shadow that gained an ego

>>182527824
Teddie is a Shadow. But when he shows up in VR he does say that it feels nostalgic for some reason.
Maybe it was Igor who gave him an ego.

And I finally finished checking all the pairings on AOO.

JokerXAkechi 266/312
JokerXRyuji 152/171
JokerXMakoto 55/40
MakotoXAnn 52
JokerXFutaba 37/51
MakotoXHaru 43
ShihoXAnn 42
JokerXMishima 30/38
YusukeXRyuji 31
MorganaXRyuji 23
JokerXIwai 19/22
JokerXKawakami 15/21
MakotoXRyuji 16
RyujiXMishima 16
AkechiXShido 15
YusukeXFutaba 15
AnnXRyuji 13
RyujiXAkechi 13
JokerXTakemi 6/8
YusukeXAnn 7
YusukeXAkechi 6
AkechiXMishima 6
MakotoXSae 5
HaruXAnn 5
HaruXRyuji 5
JokerXSae 1/4
HaruXAkechi 4
RyujiXfutaba 4
HaruXYusuke 4
KamoshidaXRyuji 4
TwinsXJoker 0/3
MakotoXAkechi 3
MadarameXYusuke 3
ShihoXMishima 3
MakotoXHifumi 3
SojiroXFutaba 3
AkechiXSae 3
JokerXSojiro 2/0
JokerXMorgana 1/2
KamoshidaXMishima 2
Sojiro X Wakaba 2
HaruXFutaba 2
YusukeXMishima 2
AnnXAkechi 2
AnnXFutaba 2
AnnXKawakami 2
RyujiXIwai 2
JokerXOhya 2/0
JokerXHifumi 2/0
JokerXChihaya 1/0
AkechiXCognitiveAkechi 1
Twins 1
MakotoXKawakami 1
HaruXHifumi 1
SojiroXAkechi 1
SojiroXIwai 1
SojiroXHifumi 1
AnnXCognitive Ann 1
RyujiXHifumi 1
AkechiXFutaba 1
FutabaXJokerXTakemi 1
ChihayaXKawakami 1
IwaiXTakemi 1
IwaiXKawakami 1
IwaiXSae 1
TakemiXSae 1
Ohya/Kaya 1
Chouno X Usami X Kawakami X Makoto 1

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>>182527950
>HaruXAkechi 4

>>182527950
K.

>>182527852
I doubt the French even idolizes Arsene as much as Japan does, and that's mostly due to the amount of media they have about him.

>>182527852
That is also worth considering, in that Shido having so much influence as to ruin Joker's life stems from Goro's actions so it may well be that Joker coming into his power was fated to happen not just because of Yaldy but also because of him. Correct me here if I'm wrong, but didn't SEES expand a lot too because of P3MC's influence?

>>182527950
Who the fuck cares?

>>182527868
>>182527881

So every person has a shadow, but also there are some shadows that aren't connected to anybody?

>>182527942
The blonde hair + blue eyes immediately make me think of servants/homunculi

but then again I have no idea what the fuck marie is supposed to be in that case.

>>182528067
>but then again I have no idea what the fuck marie is supposed to be in that case.
Izanami.

>>182528005
I mean, one of the ritualposts was a guy going on about Optimal Pairings, and he consistently had Haru and Akechi on there, usually with a picture of them. So, you know, not an uncommon ship.

>>182528046
Nobody should, and I'm the faggot who actually spent three hours searching. I just said I'd do it for reasons I can't remember, and didn't want to pussy out.

>>182528067
Every random mook enemy. Did you not play P3?

>>182528030
Japan deserves every case of Paris Syndrome.

>>182528035
Basically it was through Goro that Joker became a trickster? The trickster made a new trickster?

>>182528160
>So, you know, not an uncommon ship.
doesn't make it any less disgusting.

>>182528175
I sort of stopped playing after the dog joined the team..

>>182527929
>Also I don't think the game ever established that everyone must have a defined shadow-self.

It's never explicitly stated but its pretty heavily implied that everyone has a shadow, since your shadow is just the manifestation of your true self, and everyone except for persona users is hiding SOMETHING.

Also I think in Persona 4 they mention that the people who got thrown into the TV World were killed by their own shadows.

>>182527950
What's with some of them having 2 numbers

>>182528302
P5 protagonist and Akira Kurusu

>>182527774
>>182527852
I can't remember where I read it, but I recall reading that the theme of the party members Personas was that their Initial Personas were famous thieves, whereas their Ultimate Personas were beings who tricked GODS.

Loki wouldn't fit the theme of an Initial Persona, but as mentioned, he's the the most obvious Ultimate Persona, to the point where, if he wasn't the original Digital Devil Story villain, I'd expect him to be the main character's Ultimate Persona.

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>>182527950
>Makoto x Ryuji is more popular than Ann x Ryuji

>>182527950
Did you already document JokerXAnn somewhere else? It feels like it should be in the upper half somewhere. Apparently, it's the second most popular straight pairing in the category.

>>182528302
What >>182528356 said. Akira/P5 Protagionist. There's enough works that use one and not the other that it ends up being a rather noticably difference when you get high up there.

>>182528185
Yep. I keep thinking about how Goro says meeting Joker must be fate, and it may well be that he only tried to make friends with Joker as much as he could because he could sense there was something special between them and I don't mean it in the fujo sense.

>>182528281
Every living being thing with mental energy has a Shadow, this is why the Fall would have been devastating as the Shadows would escape living them as husks.

>>182528371
It's also not known to us when Robin Hood came around, for all we know he could have been Goro's original Persona just like the PTs and only got stronger the more he interacted with Joker.

>>182528281
Yea, but even the random mook enemies are shadows. My headcanon is that not all shadows have enough of an ego or distortion to become the person.

>>182528371
Kinda falls apart for me since Mercurius and Susano-o are literally trickster gods.

Interesting how Goro gets the most famous in both category. Loki the most well known trickster, and Robin Hood the most famous thief character in human history.

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>eats whatever fucking disgusting garbage he finds in the fridge
>best cook

?????????????????????????

>>182528415
Wow, I genuinely can't believe I forgot that one.

Joker/Ann has 42/43 fics, depending on which name you go with.

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What was his name again?

>>182528567
he's honing his palate

>>182528463
Robin Hood cannot berserk. Loki was his first persona because he offered that power to Shido when he was 15.

>>182528507
Both Robin Hood and Loki are also tricky in the sense that not all Robin Hood stories have him going against the establishment IIRC and Loki is someone who works on both sides.

>>182528507
Goro DID take advantage of his power to become a celebrity.

>>182528605
Haruno Shiobana

>>182528605
Joseph Kuhr

>>182528507
I don't know much about Mercurius, but Susano-o tricked other gods too.

That's the big difference.
Initial Personas tricked mortals, Ultimates tricked GODS.

>>182528628
You saying Goro will sleep with a giant's horse so his homies can win a bet then later gets knocked up by said horse?

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>>182527950
>KamoshidaXRyuji
>AkechiXMishima
>MadarameXYusuke
>SojiroXFutaba
>JokerXMorgana
>RyujiXIwai

>>182528605
Souji Seta.

>>182528739
Mercurius is Roman Hermes.

>>182528605
Akira Kurusu

>>182528627
What I'm saying is perhaps Goro actually had both Personas at one go, especially considering he has two Metaverse outfits and not even Joker has that.

>>182528740
Yes, it's not like he's not used to suffering anyway.

>>182528605
KUZCOOOOOOOOO!

>>182528507
>Robin Hood is the classic thief
>Arsene is the renaissance thief
>Loki is the classic trickster
>Satanael is the renaissance trickster (Milton's Paradise Lost is the big example of this)

>>182527950
You missed joker x yusuke which should be like in the top 3 categories. Damn, didn't expect the gap to be so fucking huge though, I guess that just confirms AOO is mostly fujos

>>182528605
Dom Cobb.

>>182528789
I can't guarantee they're all serious fics, because I can't be bothered to read them all, so for all I know, they aren't all sexual.

The only fic I read while doing this was one tagged ShidoXKamoshida, for the same reasons you're probably going to ask for a link, because that's so fucking weird you think I'm making it up.

>>182528953
Milton's Lucifer isn't Satanael.

>>182527950
>SojiroXFutaba 3

Hope it's hot

>>182528958
Damn it, another really obvious one.

JokerXYusuke 181/213
>>182527950

>>182528873
>Yes, it's not like he's not used to suffering anyway.

He'll give that babby away to Joker.

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Nite-nite, /pg/
I'm off to try and die in my sleep, again.

>>182528789
Can confirm at least some of those are smutty, I have read them.

>>182529113
I never played Portable, but I was always under the impression that it was all done in a VN style.

Why does this picture exist?

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>>182529086
considering how little gay stuff is in the actual games.....the fans really make it gay

surprising

maybe they should make the next one more lgbtlmnopqrstv

>>182528204
Not for me. One of them is Goro being Haru's fiancee instead, replacing Sugimura. It's also add some kinda interesting of Haru and Goro's thought regarding in each other. It's pretty tame though.

>>182529147
I expect most of them to be smutty.

>>182528958
I actually like the Akeshu fics that are less "Now kiss!" and more Joker trying to figure out what is up with Goro with questionable methods like messing with him, mostly as those also tend involve the other characters.

>>182529203
Link?

>>182527950
Something to note is that AO3 has different tags for platonic friendships and romantic relationships. For example, Ryuji & Ann (as friends) is tagged in 13 fics. Ryuji/Ann (as lovers) is tagged in 40 fics.

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>>182527950
>SojiroXFutaba 3

>>182529086
You should also add a polythieves tag count, I seen a shitton of those.

Dammit, I spent way too much time on that site.

>>182529179
It's probably just fan art made to look in that style because I remember the few models there were to looking way shittier

>>182529253
>tfw not enough smutty stories for good pairings but then shit pairings like goro/anyone have tons of smut

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Fan fiction was a mistake

>>182529265
Look, if you want to check yourself if all those pairings are romantic, be my guest. I genuinely can't be bothered to do any more than that. I'm bored, not autistic.

>>182529289
Is that Joker with Ryuji's hair? He looks like shit.

>>182529383
any sane person already knows this

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Sweet dreams with sweet cheeks here.
Night Personababs.

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>>182528567
that's not exactly mutually exclusive

>>182529340
> Good pairings
Define. Then again, the only smut fic I've read with Goro involves his dad because the emotional abuse is completely devastating and I maybe hate myself.

>>182529340
I mean, it all depends on your standards for "good pairings", really.

>>182529487
I guess this basically confirmes Yu has some sort of autism

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>>182529289
Call me daddy

>>182529189
a Fujo bubble community is not representative of the whole fanbase.

That said they should still do it anyway, it's not like Japan actively avoids this or anything.

>>182529261
http://archiveofourown.org/works/10856298/chapters/24107697

>>182529329
Hey, I said I'd make a number for the pairings, I never promised it would be complete. Maybe if I want to interrupt peak shitposting hours... which now that I think about it, is usually around now, so I guess it's good we have something half-decent to talk about, instead of the usual garbage.

>>182529289
One of those stories involves Sojiro taking advantage of Futaba in her sleep.

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>>182529587
he's got some sort of something...

there's no conceivable explaination for some of the things he consumes

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>>182529487
>>182529587
His autism still makes him my favorite MC

>>182529637
Thanks!

>>182529662
Fanfiction is a mistake.

>>182529619
I said it in the last thread, and I'll say it again, Atlus should let the main character confess to anyone.

People bitch that they can't be gay, change that.

Just include that nobody accepts their confessions, because THEY'RE not gay. I'd love to see the butthurt if the next Yusuke happens with this, they get super excited that they can finally get a boyfriend in the game...
and then he says that he's all about the pussy.

>>182529791
I'd sooner believe he was asexual before believeing that he's gay or straight

>>182529791
You don't understand how this goes, these idiots only want people they want to be gay to be gay in spite of how the 'offensive' gays from Shinjuku aren't completely unrealistic since people like that do exist. I myself don't think Yusuke is interested in much except for his art and food considering he stops thinking of Ann as an interesting subject once he learns her personality.

>>182529934
>he stops thinking of Ann as an interesting subject once he learns her personality.
What did Atlus mean by this?

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>>182529731
I enjoyed always picking the silly options, and the anime just decided that his personality was that "He did too, but with complete sincerity."

I still get mad that they went the opposite direction for DeSu2's anime. What the fuck were they thinking making THIS FUCKER an angsty shit?

>>182530023
>What the fuck were they thinking making THIS FUCKER an angsty shit?
They did what? Anime was a mistake.

It was rougher than anyone else Sojiro had ever kissed before. Munehisa's lips were thinner, harder, and the stubble scraped his skin. The unfamiliarity sparked a fresh wave of panic, starting small but growing rapidly as Sojiro wondered if his beard would be a problem for Munehisa, or if Munehisa's stubble would be forhim, or if they'dbothsomehow snap out of it and realize that they weren't compatible after all, that this couldn't possibly work before it had even begun.

Then Munehisa took the lead, his hand coming up behind Sojiro's head and pressing him closer, hungrily, and all of Sojiro's fears completely shorted out and died because it was so unbelievablysimplethat he didn't know why he’d ever worried about it at all. This was Munehisa's need for him, Munehisa's desire, raw and desperate andreal. It had been packaged in every touch, every laugh, every smirk he had ever shared. All the jokes, the late nights -- every time Munehisa had missed the last train and had had to catch a ride home while complaining in Sojiro's car. Everything.

In all of these ways, Munehisa had been saying Sojiro's name over and over, and Sojiro had been saying his back.

They stopped for breath at last, Munehisa's fingers still cradling the back of Sojiro's neck. At first Sojiro wondered if he had really been as bad as Futaba had implied -- but then Munehisa made a soft grunt, pulling Sojiro possessively against him with his other arm, and showing no signs of letting go.

"You taste like cigarettes, jackass," he said, laughing, closing his eyes as he rested his forehead lightly against Sojiro’s temple.

Sojiro chuckled, and tipped his head forward, leaning into Munehisa's weight. "You taste like candy."

>>182529995
Ann's looks are more aesthetically pleasing than her personality, maybe? I find her cute, but Yusuke was probably hoping to find someone more er, elegant.

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>>182529791
Yusuke isn't even 'straight', he's on his own level of artistic. I mean, he isn't gay either but I can't see him actively rejecting Joker. At most, he'd just be honored Joker thought that way and politely decline because he prefers him as a art subject.

>>182527950
>Shido/Akechi
Huh? I thought only degenerates here memed that one up. I can't imagine it having an actual following when it's so fucked up.

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>>182529647
Fair enough, so far this has been one of the comfier threads we've had in a while.

>>182529934
All it would've taken for those two Shinjuku guys to be less sterotypical is a few scenes in Shinjuku where you can overhear them, and they're talking normally, and maybe mention how they had fun messing with Ryuji.

You know, literally make those scenes just them deciding amongst the two of them "Hey, see that blonde kid? Let's fuck with him."

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>>182530124
shhhh shut the hell up don't jinx it