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Ded game ded general

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Ded general >>181995785
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>>182030840
I want an /svg/poster to wear a blonde wig while I spit in his mouth and tell him Forestcraft sucks!
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this game is shit
why's it gotta be like this?
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>>182030901
Because muh mobage train journey no more than turn 7 games.
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>>182030917
Sabreur, not Saboteur. She's not a sneaky goblin nigger thief, come on, man.
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i wish alice adventures would be 1pp
it would make it at least a little bit playable
i just have 2 of them animated, duh
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>>182030897
God I wish that were me.
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>>182030986
Who gives a shit she's a fucking bullshit slut
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>>182031030
any deck other than 37 removals and 3 aegises would be fun too
playing storm is for subway-riding KMRdrones
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>>182028345
This deck just bricks way too hard.
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Tove hp needs to be reduced to 2 from 3 at least.
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Whose dick do I have to suck to get her as leader?
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>>182031143
mine
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>>182031107
>snow white now wins the trade against the most overstatted 2pp follower
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>>182031037
yeah, i see, being an elf would be cool, they live like forever
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>>182031143
I don't get the appeal. Neither hot like Magisa, nor cute like Lou.
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>>182031037
No one will believe you when you try blaming CyGames for making you a spitslut!
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>>182031143
Hers, and by hers I mean her Piercing rune
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>>182031192
I just want her to choke me to death while I cum inside her
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>>182031083
>the red lady has punched my goblin worn asshole in
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>>182031107
nope

tove shouldn't be touched at all before it's apparent what effect the nerfs to baphomet/spawn would be
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>>182031235
god tier taste, dying while looking at her yandere smile and her laughter sounds hot as fuck
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>>182031251
implying those would affect tove,alice is the problem that comes next turn
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>>182031143
>get her as my first lego
>non-animated
I felt like I won and lost at the same time.
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>>182031251
Tove is basically like a slower Blitz Lancer, with one more health
I think it's fine and it shouldn't be nerfed at all, it's like complaining about Zombie Party, you're a shitter if you do so
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>Tove gets rush whenever an allied neutral follower attacks
I fixed the game.
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>>182031328
Wait no I'm retarded, Blitz Lancer is 3PP while Tove is 2PP
Scratch what I said, nerf the shit out of Tove
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>>182031328
Tove is basically like a faster Fighter, with one more damage and one more health.
I think it's fuck off with your tired bait and reddit spacing
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>>182031307
yeah, but alice is a different problem, it's not a blood exclusive card

i think that nerfing baphomet would already shift the power to neutral sword

some of part of the neutral engine, preferably alice herself needs a nerf too ofc
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>>182031408
There was no reddit spacing in that post, are you retarded?
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>>182031432
Thats pretty reasonable so we both know that shit ain't happening.
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>>182031328
>>182031395
>D0 opinion reveals he doesn't even play this game
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>>182031107
Nah it's fine with it's HP.

But it should have the similar conditions as rapunzel. Attack locked until a neutral drops.
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>>182031408
>spaz out about reddit spacing
>use the exact same spacing
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>>182031251
neutral blood is still bullshit and carries the whole deck spawnigger
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>>182031493
>playing shadowverse
Look at him! Look at him and laugh!
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>>182031471
you have to go back
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>>182031529
neutral is the strongest tempo right now
without spawn neutral blood likely isn't the best neutral
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>>182031529
Than neutral must die. Neutralcraft is all thats tipping the scales in Blood's favor.
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>>182031192
I want her to turn me into a snowman then melt me with a Crimson Sorcery.
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>>182031570
Do you even know what reddit spacing is, you fucking meme?
Here's your (You)
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>>182031507
Most of the words are the same too.... Whoa....
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Nice, balanced game
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How do I get this demon to behave?
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>>182031637
>...
You have to go back.
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>>182031635
>discord spacing
caught in the act, kid.
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>goblin
>tove
>goblin leader
>alice
wow looks like i got outskilled you're so good
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>>182031660
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>>182031665
She likes to complain but she'll still do as she's told.
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is there a chance they revert the overnerf on shadow reaper
at least i hope they will be accurate with future nerfs

>>182031665
would you allow your daughter to dress like that?
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>>182031705
Who are you quoting? The jig is up, you have to go back to /r/4chan.
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>>182031348
That doesn't change anything. At all. Whenever the rush is relevant they'll evolve the follower that activates it anyway.
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>>182031698
>.
>>>/r/the_donald
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whats a good daria-oz deck
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So why does Alive have on-demand global and many built-in Well of Destiny as a fanfare?
God forbid if you drop another one after the first.
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>>182031660
Nice, balanced general.
not
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>>182031348
i am amused that so many people think that it's tove is the problem and not spawn
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>Favourite deck is Nep shadow
>Played it since it became a thing
>Played it even during TotG meta
>Playing it now is impossible
>The only favorable matchup is dragon
>Has the perfect removal for Abyss, but can't deal with it on turn 6
It's just not fair, I want to play with my smug mommy deck and have a fair chance of winning!
>inb4 kys shadownigger eks dee
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>>182031758
>he knows the names of reddit boards
>stealths his discord spacing by typing all in one line
get out of here you fucking spy
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>>182031798
>not knowing how to redirect properly to boards
newfag redditor pls
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>>182031812
Alice*
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>>182031812
you better compare her to sage commander, not to well of destiny
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>Have a game-winning play by summoning Odile into a Daria blood flood
>completely fuck it up by ramming Odile into Daria, killing her.
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>>182031886
well memed, I enjoyed our meme duel
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Hi guys!! XD
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>>182031953
more fun than this fuckawful game :^)
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>>182031885
ugh

2478 nepnep with 2pp neutrals, cat of riddles, alice etc?

no goblin leader sadly
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>go second
>concede
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>>182031756
I'd make her dress like that
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>>182031978
unironically I am enjoying shitposting in /svg/ more than playing the actual game
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>>182031987
I thought about the inclusion of neutral synergy, the main problem is that if you go 2378, you miss on caterpillar and Alice, while of you go 2478, you miss on grimnir, goblin leader and ledger. Either way it ends up being suboptimal to a classic Nep shadow.
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>>182032109
who would enjoy playing the game? only a goddamn retard
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>>182032257
you don't miss ledger, it's an amulet?
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also the classic nep it was 2478 with shadow cards, then 2378 and 2578 got popular (i personally liked 2578 the most)
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>>182031885
>>182031987
>>182032257
You can still win with nep in current meta. The problem is Rune being relevant with Burn Dirt and Dshift, and your own mulligan is your own enemy if you keep bricking.
That's what happens when an archetype gets no new support for 2 expansions (No, ledger doesn't count). Have two goddesses instead.

>>182032370
2378 is my go-to deck because it's more suited against aggro.
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>>182032297
But you can't include attendants, since they are a 3pp follower. You'd have to use that one 4pp guy, I guess, but then you can't play ledger on turn 4.
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Miss me yet?
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http://sv.bagoum.com/voice/j/vo_105541010_1.mp3

anyone knows who voices dark alice? or point me to a place where i can find the va's for different cards?
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What flair is this?
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>>182032496
just a different kind of helpless, no
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>>182032496
No.
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>>182032519
It's the Newbie one
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>>182032497
Yukari Tamura
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So Albert and Seraph were t9 win the game
Eachtar is t7 win the game
Spawn+Baphomet is t6 win the game
Will next expansion bring a t4 win the game? Or does Goblin+Unica+Goblin Leader+Alice already count?
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>>182032085
please dont post things like this
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>>182032497
Yukari Tamura and Shadowverse Portal has the VAs if you change the language to Japanese.
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>>182031143
this guy
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>>182032447
>That's what happens when an archetype gets no new support for 2 expansions (No, ledger doesn't count).
it's actually pretty ridiculous

here is the list of shadowcraft followers with last words that were released for the last two expansions: prince catacomb, corpselord of woe (evolved only), ebon reaper, immorthal thane, dark alice

that's literally all, it's kind of ridiculous how few last words huys were released. neither of those fits nep too

>2378 is my go-to deck because it's more suited against aggro.
2578 has cerb (and howl too) and goblinmount though, those are good vs aggro

>>182032459
anyway ledger is pretty poor in nep imo
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>>182032585
>>182032707
thanks, will check out shadowverse portal for more
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>>182032738
nice shoop
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>>182032519
i wonder how do you get the flair with zeus and the words rage

>>182032623
implying aggro decks weren't always turn 5-6 win game
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>>182032828
thanks
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>read the last thread
>someone actually complained about fucking lethal blade
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>>182032910
spawn makes them complain of any blood card that allows blood to launch spawn rape
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the twitter edits are the only good thing about this piece of shit game now
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>>182032910
>someone was defending BKB because blood doesn't have other good 4 PP plays
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>>182032998
panty raider always was meh
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>>182032998
>Tfw people forgot about pantsu raider
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>Vallhallan General gives +3/+3 worth of stats
>is a 6 mana 3/3
>Alice gives +4/+4 or more worth of stats
>is a 4 mana 3/4
Really puzzles my box.
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Would you?
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>>182032998
BKB should have his hability only evolved
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>>182033067
Because it wasn't that good. But there was nothing else to use as a 4 drop in cblood. Doesn't make bkb any more justified though, he really should have his effect as an evo.
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>>182033119
I rather have his dick pound my ass.
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>>182033110
Why do you care? Alice is neutral, just swap the General with Alice or have both cards in your deck.
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>>182033119
would i what?

>>182033110
compare her to sage commander
giving stats to a is ngle follower is a more powerful ability than giving them to several different followers, it makes the card much more consistent
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haha guys listen what if we gave blood a 4pp with dragon warrior effect on fanfare but with full evolve stat haha those dumb gaijin will LOVE this
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>>182033241
you have ramp

also i didn't know dragon warrior damaged your hp
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>>182033176
>worst priest that doesn't banish and deals 2 dmg to leader

no
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>>182033238
Must be why Gabriel is so widely played right
>>182033353
>defending BIB
kys
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This is definitely fun when it works.
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>>182033410
gabriel is pretty expensive
v. general was considered better than moon bun for a while for a reason
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>>182033353
>>182033407
>2 DAMAGE GUYS , ITS BALANCED
this fucking damage control from this cancer blood players, the card is broken and should be nerfed like most of the blood cards in the expansion
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>>182033119
sniff it? yes
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really i begin to feel for shadow mains in totg, the amount of bullshit you get is ridic
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>>182032519
I meant emblem, wew I'm stupid.
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>>182033552
did you read my post?
I'm not saying bkb is not op lol, I'm saying that making it deal damage on evolve would be meh because priest does it better (banish) without self damage with slightly gimped stats as downside
overall it would be a worse priest

don't use my post to enable your shitposting and don't reply to me again
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>>182033628
shadow prenerf wasnt nowhere even broken as how blood is right now
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concede plz 87978
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>>182033780
Even if you put the efect in the evo he has better stats evolved, the 2 damage is shit and it can be good in some blood decks, it will still be a better cudgel
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Cerberus pleases Knights for money!
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>>182034029
thanks eris
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Please let this expansion be the one that kills the game. They don't deserve to continue.
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>Elenahaven concedes when I would have been 1 hp away from lethal when all my amulets pop.
>I probably would have drawn hot garbage and missed lethal for 1 more turn.
Thanks.
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>>182034074
>5/6 > 4/5
but
>banish >> destroy

I don't agree
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>>182034103
cerby~
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>>182034212
How many coins for rubbing those thighs?
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>>182034192
banish only will really shines againts shadow, in most of the matchups it wont matter
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>>182033186
And he shouldnt get fucking +2/+2 on evo.
He and Scarlet saboteur are so fucking overstatted since both get full evo stats that its not even fun.
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>>182034246
10 rupees per rub
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>>182033795
Nah you can fuck right off with your rabbit necromancers, Cerb, 6/6 reapers, phantom howl, prince on curve, phantom howl, deaths breath, khawy, Eachter, etc

Your craft has a answer to literally everything
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>>182034143
I'm going to try playing Gwent and Hearthstone at least for this month.
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>>182034192
5/6 matters a lot, it will be out of counter evo removal range for cuckel for example once it rams into 2/2 after killing your stronger card with its evolve.
It can also aggressively take on full hp priests.

5/6 3 damage is a better dragon warrior with an insignificant downside and dragon warrior was already good.
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>>182034352
even haven nowadays got snowwhite, even neutral got goblin princess
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>>182034429
1- i play rune
2- i still thinks neutral perfect curve with tove, baphomet and abyss is better than shadow prenerf
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maybe it's time to just craft spawn. i only need the 3 of those and an emeralda. on the bright side, third animated young levi
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>>182033795
>>182033628
Blood performs poorly right now, at least compared to ridiculous shit like neutral rune.

I'm getting 10+ streaks in AA1 with a lot of retards ragequitting (especially after -4 storm from Falise). It doesn't even matter if they use spawn or not − there's just too much face damage. In fact, control~ish variants with revelation pose much more threat than spawn-bitches.

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>>182034904
how the fuck

how do you refill your hand?
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>>182034904
actually, no levis at all, eh?
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>>182035004
Witch of Sweets does wonders. However there are times when you run dry, but they're pretty much rare.
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>>182035067
Yep, no levis. Sometimes this deck sucks dick (i.e. a LOT of aoe removals, but overall it's still better than any other traditional rune deck; maybe, just maybe ER with Oz does good too, but I haven't tried it yet... because there's no reason to waste vials when you already have a deck this strong).
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Based on art alone which card do you wish was good?
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>>182034497
You are not wrong at all, but I think I'm not either.
If they want to nerf BKB without really changing the way it works, they could just make it deal 2 damage instead of 3.
No more free grimnir/etc removal but at least you don't need to evolve it.
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>>182034904
why should i play neutral rune instead of neutral blood, neutral sword or dirt rune? Is falise that worth? she looks good, but not that good
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>>182035252
'cause rune has rats. Sometimes they win games for you.
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>>182035207
Beast dominator
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>>182035303
yeah dirt rune has rats too and you can use them with an oz
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>>182035209
i certainly not going to get 2 face damage for 2 damage to followers, it would ruin the card
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>>182035209
>>182035393
2 damage should be fine if you dont have to evo him
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>>182035207
Fairy Dragon.
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>>182035528
translate please
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>>182035371
Anyways, I just copied the deck from this guy https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/6l8nw0/got_to_grandmaster_video_with_my_trials_and/

He's Grand Faggot, deck performs good, and I'm happy with the results. Maybe some of you should give it a try.
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>>182035070
I played this deck 4 times in masters and my hand was almost empty by turn 7 every time.
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>>182035207
Anamoly

Forest finally gets a card that isn't some moeblob slut bathing in water and the art is wasted on a card so bad it literally sees 0 play
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>>182035393
No it wouldn't, it would still be a really good drop on 4 going first.
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>>182035472
btw do you know that bkb doesn't deal damage at all right now? it destroys stuff with 3 def or less and is completely useless vs stuff with 4+ defence not even damaging those
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>>182035207
skullfam
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>>182035207
Holy Jeanne
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>havencraft isn't op
First 5 win streak in arena
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>>182035207
Fafnir or Skullfane
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>>182035668
wow im so sad for you dude, having a card who does the same as similar cards but without need for an evolve is so bad, he probably needs buffs, the 2 self inflicted damage is making him useless
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You think they'll nerf rune too?
Because "i-it's not like it was only spawn!"?
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>>182035207
nightmare!
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>>182035754
Oh hey, this picture's the right way up for a change, you must be a fellow Aussie.
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>>182035882
They'll nerf neutral and all the alice decks will be in the dumpster.
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>>182035882
they will most likely nerf neutral engine
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I just noticed how every craft in this expansion got one anime moeblob girl legendary and one masculine-looking miscellaneous legendary
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I did it
I joined AIDScraft. I feel dirty.
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I ran into a Neutral Blood running Hector and Sektor just now. He was in his GM trials, so it's probably worth thinking about for any Spawnfags still trying to climb
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>>182035882
my bets for nerfs are: baphomet, tove, goblin leader, feria and corpselord
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>>182036001
I feel slushy.
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>>182036024
hector, sektor, it's all an old crap, tell me betterr if you use angelic slayer in your frog
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>>182036024
He's memeing now that he is in his trials. Why play Hector when you can play Sabreur. Your deck needs to be heavy neutral for Hector to be consistent enough. 50/50 doesn't cut it.
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>>182036128
neutral blood is heavy neutral though
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Forest will get his 2pp 3 dmg removal next expansion, and it will be one of the legendaries.

Thorn Burst
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>>182036116
I don't run the Neetangel, if that's what you're asking.
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>>182036440
forest already has elf twins assault
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>tfw you get hit by Odin in this day and age
Not even mad
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>>182036487
yeah i meant slacker
she seems a perfect card for frog
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I fucking hate Elana so much. I won a 21 turn game as sword since I had to keep emptying haven's followers while they stay at 20 HP the whole game.
3 bunnies, 6 angels, 3 holy waters, 3 Tenkos, 1 Lucifer, 2 monks (which means 2 more holy waters).
Despite this the only damage I took the whole match was from Grimnir. 12 INTERACTIVE damage from one stupid card. All Haven had to do was play Aegis once I would have lost.
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>>182036694
Welcome to hell, just like the good old days after 9/DE.
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>drop lion champion
>evo him to kill an opponent's 5/5
>end turn
>opponent happily strikes lion with his 2/2
>a confused pause
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>took me 5 hours to get back to the point where I started today
Fuck my life. Fuck my luck.
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>hmm, it seems kinda ridiculous how often I go second
>let's start tracking
>mfw two days later
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>>182036116
There's some people running phantom cat decks now with a bunch of neutrals because so many people are teching against Spawn now. So they just run people over with the overpowered neutral-shit instead.
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>>182036998
Just build your deck around going second bro
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>>182037097
those decks usually run bkb/scarlet nonetheless
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>>182036998
That's because you only played 7 games, anon.
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>>182036864
Too bad Alice buffs too much that he cannot handle most board.
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>>182037232
Not quite
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>>182037436
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>>182036572
She's hard to fit in. The issue is that you need multiple bodies on board after she drops to make her worthwhile, which doesn't happen that often.
You can't play her on curve, because you're generally either clearing, setting up to clear with cyclone blade, or setting up for a lethal by that point.
She's also not a good topdeck, because you actually need a board for her to do more damage than any of your Storm cards.
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Has anyone had any luck with memonic simulacrum?
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Concede!
50260
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>know that spawn is coming because baph earlier
>has tia in hand but can't combo it because i put down too many followers
>lose from full hp thanks to evolved spawn and alucard at T7
welp,forest needs one more slot on the board
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>>182037916
Thank you Erika!
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>>182037936
>welp, forest needs one more slot on the board
No, it sounds like YOU need to tech in forest of dreams or pixie mischief for the blood match-up. Or just play less cards if you know whats coming. Gotta think 2 turns ahead, anon.
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Hey guys, I fixed Alice, why won't Cygames hire me?!
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>nigger opponent topdecks grimnir twice

I'm done with this game for today.
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Need concede
81390
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>>182038709
Needs to be a Last Words, Enhance, and Evo effect as well.
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>>182038812
Thanks skeletal
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>>182038709
Seems a bit understatted. Needs to be 4/5 ward.
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Too pure for this world.
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>>182039506
she shaves her armpits
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>>182037436
Pretty horrifying desu.
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>>182037436
>he's not good enough to go first everytime
You'll never get GM if you continue to suck this much
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>>182039721
>loli
>shaves
u wot m8
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>>182040054

Man, take two is so fucking competitive now.
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Healing is fucking cancer.
He played 2 Aerins and an Elf Queen before this too.
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>>182040054
bet she is hunderds or thousands years old
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Holy fucking shit
I need a deck that can shit all over elana, i don't care which
I rather fight fucking spawn than to even see any of those fuckers again
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Anyone else clean and sober? I dropped this game like the piece of shit it turned into. I've been playing since Nov' and look at all these cards that I collected, bought and saved for that are now useless through the power creep. All these legos, nothing but a testament to my idiocy. I can't get any meme wins or play cards that I like cause if I do, I'll get one win per 7-8 losses. It saddens me greatly what happened to this game in a mere 8 months since Nov'. A person could re-roll their new account until their index finger breaks and they will more or less get the same results as me. The ONLY FUCKING THING that matters right now more than ever are meta net decks.

I'm not spending a fucking PENNY MORE cause I already know cards will get power creep'd, weak cards never get buffed and Cygames doesn't give a shit what fans think about the core balance of the game. I'm not as mad as much as I am disappointed. /svg/ told me for months, on and on about how Cygames loves this franchise and cared deeply about the balance. Now generals stay up for days, discussion has died and /hsg/ cames here to laugh at us. Can you still say the same, can you look at what's going on and say with a fucking straight face this game is fine as it is?

This feels like a break up and I hate you all for it.
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>>182040103
how have you not ramped at least once throughout all ten of those turns
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>>182040372
That's Neutral face dragon, not ramp
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>>182040372
He's also out of cards for some reason
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need a concede
22568
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>>182040437
Yeah, I was totally able to tell that from two cards which nearly every dragon deck runs
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>>182040437
>aeila
>neutral face dragon
Noone can be this retarded
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>>182040367
I stopped playing ranked after winning 8 games in a row with blood. There's no use in climbing a unbalanced shitty dead game that no one plays anymore. They fucked up.
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>>182040103
super aggro meta always brings forth healing decks
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>>182040498
TY roland
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>>182040230
ANYONE PLEASE
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>>182040645

I was really look forward to the new prebuilt decks, since there are cards I'm missing, but they're coming too late into the life span of the game and unless they have multiple copies of legos and specific compatible cards, it'll be just a waste of money.

I wanted a Neppy and win with memes. Winning with meme is a lot of fun, or rather was. Winning with memes is now next to impossible.
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>>182040230
Any deck that runs excessive removal. Sword could probably do it if you ran all the Bane and 5+ attack removal cards.
More reliably, play Ramp Dragon and drop a Bahamut.
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I want Carabosse to strangle me with her legs while Nep suffocates me with her massive tits
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>>182035207
Master Sage
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>>182040645
>get a lose streak
>"shit meta made my deck unviable"
>get a winstreak
>"my deck got broken and unfair"

are some people ever satisfied?
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>>182040884

Spawn deck, Nep deck, Dshift deck. Anything that can kill from 20/20 or that has cards that retain value. Elana's only win con is to stall for Aegis.
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People who bully instead of going straight for lethal are jerks.
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>>182039506
ephemera's feet > otohime's feet
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>>182041074
I won because I went first a lot and not because I was playing well or anything. They powercreeped the new cards way too much.
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>>182041074
>are some people ever satisfied?

Children's card game are supposed to be about strategy, but the power creep has removed and slaughtered the concept of strategy.

>Should I play this card that kills their follower, then this card that buffs or should I just play this card that does both
>Should I trade followers to keep my HP up or should I just hit face and flood the board so that they are forced to clear my board or be in lethal
>Should I... Who the fuck am I kidding, I just have to pray I go first and wait until Turn7 to play my win con
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Preview: http://imgur.com/WsZVTtB
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>>182040989
>>182041153
I love you anon, thanks
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>>182041524
Fuck off you fucking sick pedo
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I want to cry everytime somebody puts down a goblin at turn 1
This expand is so shit
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>>182036024
its part of the new phantom cat neutral vamp meta deck.
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>>182041524
based
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>>182040998
>I want Carabosse to strangle me with her legs
Ah, I see a fellow man of culture.
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>>182040367
I just started playing Gwent.
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>>182041524
That torso is triggering me.
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>>182040367
this gwent game looks kinda fun actually
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>>182041714
is it really
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>>182040367
Play Elder Scrolls Legends
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>>182041886
It fits with what I've heard as well - so many decks have started teching against Spawn that its just more reliable to win through Neutral flood, burn, and storms. It's also more fun, probably.
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>>182040367
>all those 2s except for Imperial Dragon
It's not others' fault when you chose to run unoptimized decks, you smartass.
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>>182040645
You were lucky. I made two 10 streaks in one day, 4-5 days ago.
Now I can't break 4 in A2. People started firing back.
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>>182042047
i mean that i dont see a special reason for hector in a phantom cat deck
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What's good now in arena?
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>>182042206
He does 3 to face
That's it
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>>182041830
Her lopsided skirt makes her hips look strange. her torso looks fine without the skirt http://imgur.com/1NvqOQj
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should I just fuck it and craft the last Alexander for collection purposes?
I wish my packs were more diverse as the only legos I had to craft out of this bunch was one Cinderella and two Alberts. I opened two more Alberts after RoB launch. I didn't open a single Spawn or Eachtar, but here have 6 Gawains, 4 Rolands and 3 Timmies.
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>>182042264
Blood.
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>>182042373
> craft the last Alexander
If you want to feel like a fucking idiot, then do it. Otherwise no.
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>>182042373
>45k vials
do it, whats stopping you
>tfw I'll never be a richfag
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>>182042206
the reason for hector is that its a good advantage in the neutral blood mirrors. From the evo turn onwards its just turn after turn of value trades + pinging. ive seen some lists cut out scarlett for him, not sure how i feel about that however. the 4/4 ward comes in handy for spawns and doesnt pollute ur cat pulls
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>>182040367
>new players can compete with me, how they dare
>>
>trying to play the game using actual class cards.
Lose to all neutral shit unless I get completely perfect curve because they just outvalues them in every way possible.
How can cygames think this was a good idea?
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>>182042469
Wait I quit after RoB what did happen to the game?
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>>182038457
I have 3x pixie in my deck.Though failed to draw it.
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>>182042341
>Hector can hit face
Jesus fuck can they make wards even more useless?
No wonder Elana is coming back there's so much leader burn. Fuck storm when I can just play shit to directly hit face.
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>>182042539
Everyone is running the same early game neutral engine except for a few niche exceptions like Burn Rune.
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>>182042668
But Hector is a ward :^)
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>>182042469
>tfw finally just give up on Aegis/Mid Shadow and play 2 mana 3/3
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>>182042670
How did they kill the class identity?
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>>182042539
Wonderland happened with fucking alice the explorer that buffs all neutrals on board and in hand for +1/+1.
for fucking 4pp and 3/4 in stats!
also a whole bunch of other broken cards.
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>>182042670
Oz will save this expansion!
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>>182042539
powercreep to new retarded heights
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>>182042834
Why the fuck jap card games always end in powercreepfest.
Like what the fuck.
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>>182042763
Pretty hard in some cases and mildly in others. I think the worst case is Sword (with Forest not far behind), where neutral interaction turned into a better Officer/Commander one.
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https://twitter.com/tokkecc/status/883280761893158913
https://twitter.com/chikuwaSV/status/882998283928444928
also heres some lists for the cat blood i mentioned.the mountaineer comes in handy for some nice trades against evo'd bkb
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Seraph brothers, any good WD deck? Or should I just give up and craft Elana and Aegis decks?
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>>182043265
im playing neutral engine plus alice amulet and seraph
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>>182042712
I wouldn't give up. You can still maintain a good enough winrate to climb, as long as you know the meta and matchups well enough, along with a bit of draw luck. I'm still climbing with Frog Sword.
It helps that the Neutral Blood mirror is one of the most frustrating things I've ever experienced in this game.
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>>182043029
>basically neutralcraft with Blood's broken ass bronze cards
Tove and BKB isn't going by untouched or I'll craft disco dragon or duckmill and meme until I have no more points to lose.
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>>182043029
Have people finally realised cat is the best new blood card?
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>>182043340
I am also playing neutral Haven with Alice amulet but its more prone to bricking than Elana or regular Seraph decks. Pretty fun though if I can make it work.
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>>182043375
well yeah thats pretty much the idea behind any neutral [insert class] deck right now
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>>182043443
>guy I was against played it twice
>both times failed to draw neutrals and dealt zero damage
>eventually I won with 1 HP left

felt bad for him, even more so since I'm using spawn
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>>182043375
what's wrong with blood playing neutralcraft without spawn?

you don't even know its winrate and already have a kneejerk reaction
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Room match daily
Onegai
91339
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>>182043029
>chikuwa deck has a 75% win rate in the mirror match
Trying this out asap
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Finally found a deck a dunce like me is able to climb with. Thank you brainless neutral Rune. Fuck trading. Fuck thinking. Just go face. This is what the game is now.
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>Go 2nd vs Blood 3 times in a row
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>>182043569
The draw 2 on 5/5 body is already good. If blood itself had a card to kill spawn, cat deck would just always bury spawn deck in long game.
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>>182043824
Thanks, Carabosse
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I really hope they realize that Alice is the true culprit behind the state of this game right now. She's the sole reason games snowball so fucking hard in the first few turns.
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>>182043829
i wouldn't care much for those winrates

iirc there was some silly deck in this or previous thread with a similar winrate, it really just a matter of getting some lucky time with the deck
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>>182044146
Goblin leader is also largely to blame
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>>182043829
gl to you, just a disclaimer that i posted those decks just to provide some information, i tried it myself and didnt really like it.
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>>182044146
>alice is the problem
lol
the problem is not neutral cards
the problem is cards the gave to support neutralshit
most of them are garbage, like, for instance, dragon or shadow
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DEAD
GENERAL
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>>182044146
I barely see any alice desu.
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>>182044792
S-SHUT UP
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>>182044625
How many times did your GL actually summon more than one goblin? He is only good as bait, the opponent will attack him rather than any other, more threatening follower.
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>>182044792
Ye why is /svg/ so ded now?
Even /gwt/ is more alive.
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>>182044942

because this neutralshit meta is fucking horrible and blood has a 70% win rate against everything
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>>182044942
because the game is dead
enjoy your goblins
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>>182044792
>>182044942
It dies at around this time now. Check again in like 12 hours.
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>>182044942
Shadowverse is actually worse than Gwent and Hearthstone now
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>>182045029
>worse than play the gigni last to win
How.
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This expansion killed what little there was left of the Western community.
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>>182044918
going first its not uncommon for him to summon at least 2-3 for me (spawn blood)
>>
FUSHIGI NA SEKAI
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>>182045078
Games have become so snowbally they are literally decided on turn 2-3.
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>>182044792
>1-2 posts a minute
>dead
I want chatfags to kill themselves.
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>>182045290
SUTEKI NA SEKAI
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>>182045290
>>182045432
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>>182035571
>I summon Fairy Dragon says Arisa
>2pp 4 health 0 attack
>Fairy-chan is in trouble says FD
>gets +1 attack for each fairy
>So he has such effect
>...
>Let's send more fairies to the graveyard
>>
fucking flame rats, funniest voice in the game
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>>182045165
How many westerners actually stream animestone anyway?
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>>182045165
The western community was never alive in the first place, don't kid yourself.
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>>182035528
Q: How to send more Fairies?
A: Alter Fate because putting on field is too slow now
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>>182045541
The most notable are Railgun17 and Soulek
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>>182045541
Like a handful of them get above 100 viewers occasionally. Some HS streamers get sponsored to stream it occasionally, but they will almost never stream it voluntarily as there's just no money in it, even if some of them enjoy it way more than they enjoy HS.
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>>182045541
Only a couple regulars. Then you have a few big names like Kripp who generally only play if they're sponsored.
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14918 Please concede
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Once you reach Master rank, is it possible to go down back to AA?
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>8/12 immune to Themis, Tribunal, and Bahamut; can take three hits from Aegis with Durandal
Officer Timmy is doing work in the Haven matchup.
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>craft 2 ctulhu's to farm some easy points but join the cancer. Also has a high rate of being nerfed
>craft 2 B&B's for consistency

Which one?
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>>182045747
Fuck 72719
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>tfw starting 2nd four times in a row
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>>182045801
no
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>>182045801
no lol
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>>182045823
Cthulhu
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concede pls
86132
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>>182045831
Thank you oz.
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>tfw realized if I look at my opponents master points I can play around stupid shit like running Rev in Neutral Spawn
I feel stupid for not noticing this before now
>>
If fairy dragon is
>2PP 0/2
>Fanfare: gain +1/+1 for every fairy destroyed this game.
>Whenever a fairy is destroyed, gain +1/+1

I would consider playing it. Hell, it is not even that good consider how slow it is in the current neutral and spawn meta.
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So tired of grinding. Let's do some reverse Take Two.
17653
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>>182046063
It's just how it is. Every time they got down to 10, suddenly 8 all over the place. You cannot not play around around it.
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>>182046118
Just play windmill dragon m8.
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Do i craft a spawn deck or a oz deck?
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>>182046312
just bee yourself
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>>182046312
Why not both?
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Concede please!
53003
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>>182042539

>Cards that flood the field are now easy to come by
>Cards that wipe the field are in excess

What this means is that whom ever goes first has the edge cause the other person MUST remove what they played or suffer the consequences. It's a slow losing struggle for player B cause all player A has to do is spam Followers, and person B HAS to remove them or suffer tons of face damage. The old stop gaps of wards are now useless since all followers come with instant damage from hand WITH full body stats.

>Player A plays card, now has 2 or 3 followers on field
>Player B uses his turn to put a strong ward up
>Player A plays a card that destroys ward, leaves a follower on the field AND buffs his other followers

Game is fucked and nothing but an over haul of the game will fix it. Nerfing one or two cards will only tip the favor to another deck. Stay away, cause this is a lost cause, Cygames refuses to balance the entire game.
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Anyone got a good Dshift deck for beating aegis bullshit?
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>>182046461
Thanks Luna
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>Turn 1 Goblin
>Turn 2 Unica/Lyriel
>Turn 3 GOBLIN
>Turn 4 Alice

REALLY FUCKING FUN GAME YOU HAVE HERE.
>>
This game is going to die right? Or at least my enjoyment of it
Anyone knows other f2p card games besides blizzard shit? I tried duelyst but it died for me when they killed the draw 2 cards rule.
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>>182041524
let's make Arisa great again
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>>182046663

> turn 1 goblin
> turn 2 actress
> turn 3 leader
> turn 4 alice + evolve actress

enjoy dealing with 3/4 4/4 2/3 2/3 4/5 on turn 4
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>>182046663
>Unica
This card and grimnir were the biggest mistakes from the past and killing them would make 90% of the matches different.
Gobu and teena shoulda been forest from the beginning too. No reason ever to have them at neutral.
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>>182046416
B-but i'm poor
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>>182046795
That would imply you're going first. Thus you can easily trade to your advantage.
>This is going first meta
Now what?
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>>182046795
And it could be absolutely every craft. Pushing neutrals is always a fucking mistake.
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>try playing some Woodland Band meme deck
>put goblin leader since it synergizes so well
>amulet doesn't proc with the goblin summoned
So not only does Cygames design shitty amulets for Forest, they also make sure to kill all the interactions that should work.
RIP Shadowverse 2016-2017
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>>182046838

I'm happy you still care enough about the game to give suggestions on how to improve it.

But...... why?
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>>182046795
>Going second
>Theory of what if my opponent does jack shit.
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>>182046178
damn anon did you give me shit on purpose or what
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>>182046178
Can't blame you for leaving. Really drafted you some stinkers there. Thanks for the games!
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>>182047097
I'm a newfag to the game and I still have hope.
To my understanding they are nerfing stuff in a month. If they actually do a good nerf I'll keep playing. If not then bye bye.
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>Ancient Elf now can be fucking nuked by everyone without a tempo loss
haha xd
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>satancat streaming now
>video is private
YUDODIS?
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>>182047271
Forestfags deserve this
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>>182047247
>I'm a newfag to the game and I still have hope.
>still have hope.

God bless you, my son. I reached AA and wanted to make it into masters but I got too mad when I would lose ranking points cause of the dailies and pretty much stopped. I'll kept tabs on the nerfs but this killed my passion and interest in the game.
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>>182047187
Yeah, I thought that's the point. Make each other the most terrible possible deck and then slap each other with wiffle bats. Otherwise it wouldn't be that different from regular Take Two.
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>>182047271
>staple lego until an expansion ago
>now it's useless like all the other forest legos
I'm not sure why I even bother doing dailies anymore on this shit.
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wtf i love phantom cat now
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We all know legendaries won't be touched, but if Baphomet was to be untouched how would you change Spawn of the Abyss?
I would make the direct damage clause affect both leaders. This would actually give it something to do with the self-sacrifice part of Blood as a class and there would be risk involved in actually playing the card now. Unfortunately some of the effective counterplay it opens up is "hoard storm and damage in hand until they play tentacle guy" but you could also win these games by dominating board and not allowing them to drop it, like Aegis.
Fuck BKB, Scarlet, Tove, and the entirety of the neutral package the game is still fucked and I'm not coming back even if Blood is nerfed, snowballing neutrals is not the way I want to play.
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>>182047395
yeah I thought so
should've specified tho
well, no hard feelings. I did try to give you memes but all the drafts I got were pretty good
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>>182047481
>I would make the direct damage clause affect both leaders.

Effects that cause double TKO give the win to the one that initiated the effect, as the damage is calculated first on the opponent, then on yourself in the game's internal system. Played with a lot of flame rats and Blood to learn this.
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>>182047636
It's not the hail mary double kill I'm worried about, Spawn is usually played in the midgame to give the Blood player a HUGE lead on HP without killing their opponent outright.
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>Hate what the game has become
>Still play it a lot cause on average I have 1hr30mins free time at work

Who else here toughing it out?
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>>182047397
>soccermom was kicked out by her own fanclub for beauty and maahes
>only merlin and cerberus remaining
You'd wonder who will be the next to be powercreeped. And no, Lou doesn't make Merlin invalid.
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>>182047636
You must not have seen this yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtrkFNPUDLw
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It's funny that even in this meta d-shift still manages to be the most cancerous, unfair and anti-fun deck.
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>>182047838
Yeah sure

>opponent applies neutral early offense
>concede lol
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>>182047773
Forte and Tsubaki are still strong standard leggos
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>>182047740
>Blood player a HUGE lead on HP without killing their opponent outright.

???

It's always been the opposite for me. When they play spawn, I get my free shots at their face, meaning they don't care how low they get as long as it isn't lethal. When ever they play Spawn, they are left without any more options cause it uses up all their PP. I think you're a little confused bud. As for what you suggest, a Blood player will always have means to wipe your board before laying Spawn.

It isn't difficult anymore. Maybe in the past but mass removals are a dime a dozen.
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>satan dark alice meme deck
>versus hag
>25+ cards remaining in the deck
>2 of them are neutral, satan and odin
>sacrifice alice so i could get into satan memes next turn before it gets banished
>pull both satan and odin, deck out

I have memed myself to death
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>>182047963
I won't really call those two core legendaries.
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My wife Ephemera is so cute.
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>>182048173
My daughter is not married, pedo.
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>>182047838
>It's funny that even in this meta d-shift still manages to be the most cancerous, unfair and anti-fun deck.

>Dshift is weak to aggro since it doesn't play mass removals
>Dshift is strong, in this aggro happy, field flooding, follower buffing meta

Wut?
No, really.
wot?
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>>182048173
Your wife isn't potty-trained yet.
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>>182048109
They can easily be relevant again. They will always be good at the very least.
I run both in my neutral dragon/sword decks
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>>182048270
Your daughter performs lewd acts behind your back
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>>182048270
That's only what she wants you to think.
http://i.imgur.com/cof1fBR.png
>>182048306
I'm giving her the proper training.
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>>182047979
All of my games before I stopped playing involved the other player evolving their spawn and popping their direct damage immediately to circumvent the tempo loss of dropping a turn 6 do nothing. People seemed to want to avoid losing the direct damage effect from Mutagenic/Naoise+Tribunal or other things.
I still think my change would make a difference in that case as you would get more room to execute them with damage out of hand. My main issue with Spawn is that it's the most braindead possible excuse for a win condition with absolutely nothing to do with Blood's class identity other than Baphomet making it broken as shit.
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lewding angels is a sin
repent right now
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Jesus fucking christ. I played dragon in unranked for quest and met a neutral rune with perfect curve. No runecraft card at all, perfect curve GL Alice Feria Alice Feria. I have decent ramp too but salamandet's breath is not enough. I main forest and was thinking how is it fair to have my fairies die to everything while neutrals who aee suppose to be weaker nutted me over everything.
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>>182048410
What are you talking about.
This pic was taken some days ago and you can see she had just lost her last baby tooth.

>>182048431
You will pay for spreading those photoshops.
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>>182048746
All neutral decks on perfect curve are lethal. There's nothing you can do about that.
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>>182031707
I fucking hate Tove man. You basically need flame shield or horde to get rid of that shit before it just trades for something and comes out alive, immediately threatening to become a 5 atk thing so you end up 2 for 1 ing 90% of the time. Horde or BKB would get rid of it, but you need to be a bloodcuck for it.
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>Playing my meme carabosse deck in ranked
>Face corpselord memester
>Beat him
>Checking match results...
Literally fucking why?
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My wife Claudia is so cute.
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>>182032910
>read your facial expression
>determine you want a hot dicking
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>>182048946
Start playing Angel of the Word, dude. He/she is a 3-of in every deck now because of fucking Tove.
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>>182048946
The hilarious thing about Tove is that when they go first, you waste your turn 2 removal on Tove to prevent them outvaluing you and immediately afterwards they play Goblin Leader which you don't have an answer for because lol no board. great job balancing first vs second cygames I don't miss this fucking kusoge at all
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>>182048827
So winning and losing was decided right before turn 1? I left hearthstone for a reason I don't want shadowverse turn into the same shitshow.
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>>182048693
But angels were created lewd.
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>>182049157
This expansion is worse than Hearthstone expansion simply because it traded away all the things that made the game better to become an exact 1 for 1 copy of generic snowball garbage
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Anyone else just getting 12k for sleeves and fucking off until the monthly patch?
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>>182049231
Didn't all best deck also become pirate or jade in HS?
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Gruff Mountaineer is a true MVP. I can't believe I thought this card was ass.
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>>182048972
Keep in mind every once in a while the game just does that.
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>>182049242

I don't think I'll be able to reach 12k at this rate. I'm literally rolling for the 1 win dailies, doing unranked and then fucking off for the rest of the day because I simply don't want to keep playing in this meta.
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>>182049303
Jades are limited to 3 classes and pirates were only used by the classes with weapons outside of Patches
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>>182049242
Nope, I'm gonna grind for GRAND MASTER
Wish me luck!!
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>>182049304
He's like the God of the Arena.
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>>182049401
Reno was huge too before it got rotated out. Reno pirate meta was the most unbearable meta and the reason I even try out shadowverse in the first place.
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https://forums.shadowverse.com/index.php?/topic/5937-famitsu-meta-report-bloodcraft-dominant/

https://app.famitsu.com/20170707_1085354/

>55%

More than half of the players are using Bloodcraft

It's been a week since the release of new expansion, Wonderland Dreams.

At the beginning of the release, Sword, Haven, and Neutralcraft got the most attention. At the end, however, it turns out more of half of the opponents you would face in this week's meta is Bloodcraft.

The key card of Bloodcraft is Spawn of the Abyss, which can deal 6 or 8 damage to opponent's leader just by being played on the field. When it attacks the opponent's leader directly, it can deal a heavy punch of 16 damage. (Further explanation of Baphomet's interaction with Abyss)

Although there is a large number of players who want to achieve the newly added "Grandmaster" rank by playing a deck with the strongest winrate, the usage rate of Bloodcraft was definitely a way beyond our expectation.
Countering Spawn with Spawn at Bloodcraft Summer Festival

You would think you could win more games with a deck that counters Spawn in this meta? Although there are some players who would use Rune or Havencraft decks that has relatively higher winrate against Spawn decks, it is only "relatively" better than other decks.

So as players ended up bringing Spawn decks to fight other Spawn decks, the meta just became saturated with Spawn from left to Spawn from right. Occasionally, you would face 10 Spawn decks in a raw during the ranked match. The whole meta is now only about finding decks that would beat down Spawn.
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>>182049365
This was literally me in ToG until I didn't even bother doing dailies.
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>>182049304
It hurts that Cygames releases a ton of fun and extremely well-designed cards like Snow White and Oz in this absolute shitshow of an expansion
I actually climbed 4000 points in a single day because I was so enchanted with Snow White to get into the top 10k last month
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>>182049420
The absolute madman. Ganbare anon kun.
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>>182049527
>55%
Uh, kill yourself shadownigger, right?
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>>182049527
Requesting the picture where KMR says " we aren't focusing on any crafts in particular"
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>>182049847
this is not the right picture but i'm posting it anyway
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>>182049847
B-b-but blood also uses neutral cards. You know we focused on that!
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>windmill carrot deck
FUCKING MEMESTER ROWEN
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>>182049847
>>182049527
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>>182049527
>4,8%
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I wish to start making SV videos. What do other YTbers use for thumbnails and video editing?
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>>182049834
I like this meta more than the last meta. Every shadow card is the problem because they generate more shadows and more followers giving them tons of values. Meanwhile the only problem with blood is spawn. Once we nerf spawn blood will subside and the new 55% will be haven as it has the same problem with shadow - every card is too good.
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>>182049632
Snow White is such a great card. Good in a vacuum without being overpowered, feels like a Haven card while keeping a unique effect, interacts well with so many existing cards, and the best part is that it's also interesting to play against when an opponent is running it.
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>>182050062
Put this on an edit with KMR's face.
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>>182047786
>had DoD in hand
>goes for the fancy way
?
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>>182049527
This is already beyond retarded.

They should patch the game before the end of the month really. At this rate there won't be any players left when they finally "fix" things.
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>>182049304
He's a good card and him and snowfield really help patch Forest's inability to do anything without evos. But none of it matters because of Blood.
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Disco dragon should have a card like this
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>>182049527
>Blood 55%
>Everything else other than Haven is less than 10%
Is it safe to say this is the worst expansion yet?
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>>182049527
I fucking hate blood as is right now, but their sample size is way too small to be conclusive.

>ランクマッチ(マスターランク帯)で流行しているクラスやデッキを調査し紹介していくこのコーナー。ファミ通Appのシャドバマスターランク調査隊が、マスターランク帯で数多く見られたデッキの傾向を調査していく。
>今回は、7月第1週に多く見られたデッキを発表していく。(全83戦集計)
>>>(全83戦集計)
A bunch of anons from here could make stats with a sample size 10 times bigger than that.
Either wait for Shadowlog or Cygames' own data at the end of the month.
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>>182050360
Discard Dragon's wincon is fine. The problem is that getting there is fucking awful.
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>>182050360
>play this
>play Dragonslayer's Price
>win
This wouldn't even be played on Disco, people would just ramp into the combo.
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>>182050414
Even dragon and shadow were only about 50-60% together during ToG.
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>>182049527
This was only ~83 game sample size, but even if Blood's usage is 'only' 40% it's still fucked and needs a sledgehammer to come down on it immediately.
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>>182050424
>wait for shadowlog
It's the same self reported memes though.
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JCG tourney from Wednesday
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I've been keeping track of my matches with an app I used back in the HS beta days and I see blood 39% of all games.
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>>182049242
I couldn't even stomach 4k once the Blood netdecks showed up. I just turned on solo missions until they fix this shit. It's honestly getting to the point where I should probably just walk away.
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>>182050646
What's left and right?
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>>182050662
The recent steam sale was a godsend because I can just do dailies and spend the rest of my free time on those games.
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>>182050707
Left is total participants and right is final bracket
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Now this is what I call meta.
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I know it's the current thing to complain and exaggerate but this is actually the worst expansion for any card game I've ever seen
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Blood is broken but I'm enjoying this meta more than any before it solely for the rush I get when I do beat one. I have a problem.
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>>182050646
>Shadow and Dragon lower than Forest in final bracket
How the mighty have fallen.
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>>182050646
Just to confirm: it's 200% because they choose 2 crafts to register with right? And 82% of the finalists have blood as one of their picks. I hope I am interpreting this right.
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>>182050945
yes
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>>182050906
>This is the only card game I've ever played
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>>182050646
>Day 1
>Sword is tier 0!
>Day 2
>future 5% playrate class
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>>182049527
>55% from a 83 staff employee sample size

>>182050646
>82% usage in tournament finals

Shadowbabs will defend this.
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>>182050969
My entire replay history is Blood, it's not acceptable that this hasn't been hotfixed
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>>182050203
None of the Shadow cards were a problem before ToG except Khawy. The problem here is that they nerfed everything around Eachtar in fear of touching the legendary itself, so now he will always be this thing lurking around the meta waiting for Cygames to slip, kinda like Roach.

And Haven will always be the perfect anti-meta craft since it has the best control tools out of any craft, with Rune being a close second and always Haven's bane.
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How about Spawn's direct damage only activates while in Vengeance
Cygames please do this fix
I don't care if we don't get extra vials from it
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>>182050906
Then you haven't played many CCGs, this is peanuts as far as broken metas go.
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>>182051197
>T4 belphegor
>T5 baphomet
>T6 spawn
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>>182050906
>for any card game I've ever seen
SV has nothing on some of the cancer metas MtG and Yugioh have seen. Come back when you can OTK your opponent on turn 0.
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>>182051307
>turn 5 and 6 do nothing while at 10 health
Woah
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>>182051313
>Come back when you can OTK your opponent on turn 0.
Well but this is perfect for Tarou-kun on his way to work isn't it?
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>>182051307
>t4 not BKB or Alice
>t5 not Scarlet
Literally miles better than what we have right now and Belphegor actually seeing play would be fantastic
Spawn is just so fucking garbage and braindead with its unconditional direct damage
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>>182051313
But in those games, at least there's viable counters to that cancer. Bloodcraft is so ridiculously beyond anything right now it's not even funny.
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>>182051307
>T4 belphegor
>T5 baphomet
>T6 sneks
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>Do officers and commanders lose their traits upon becoming neutral?
thankfully not
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So how do we fix this game ?
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>>182051307
At least you would be within 10 dmg of your life fucking ending.
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>>182051578
>we
We won't do anything
We're the consumers and there are other products on the market
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>>182051492
>PePe had counters
Nice joke.
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>>182051492
It's a problem with the neutral aggro package combined with Spawn. There's counters to one or the other, but beating both is just straight luck.
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>>182051578
Instead of crying, you take the time to develop a deck that counters the meta.
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>http://game-ai.jp/40445/
>Fucking shill-ai made a whole article on ways to "counter" neutral blood

How could they fuck up things this bad?
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>make a blood deck out of desperation
>forestcuck concedes on t2 when i drop tove
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@182051724
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>spawn
>last words nerf
>Last words: When this follower is destroyed while being ambushed, deal 6/8 to YOUR leader

Hey look, Spawn has a flaw now... How 'bout that.
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>>182051724
There's plenty of counters, none of them have above 50% winrate over the netural vampire.
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>>182051492
No, there aren't. I've never played MtG more than casually, but you don't know shit about what tier 0 metagames have been like in YGO. Spawn Neutral is a joke in comparison.
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>>182051724
Because just like with ToG Mid-Shadow, anti-meta means you just lose to everything else. Aegis never got above 50% in ToG.
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>>182049847
>>182050062
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>>182051745
>an entire tutorial on how to deal with neutral blood
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>>182051809
That does almost nothing, it just means Spawn will always be evolved on the turn it's played to prevent the counterplay from even happening. Besides the only class that can reliably kill something in ambush is probably Haven. The direct damage should only activate while the Blood player is in vengeance
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>>182051809
>if Vengeance isn't active for you
fixed :^)
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>play 5 games
>win 3
>feel like I lost 4

when will this game be fun again
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>>182051868
Yeah but MtG is a shit game that's been on decay and damage control for 10 years. Only retarded amerifats give a shit about that game because of teh ameriburger anime stigma impeding them from playing YGO.
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>>182052009
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>>182051745
Wtf is that neutral blood list they posted?
Feena? You want to save evos for abyss if you can afford to. That's the entire reason you even run BKB and scarlet so you don't have to evo and still stay in control of the board
Fucking diabolic brick? Yeah, because you absolutly have vengeance playing neutralcraft
Only 2 baphomets? I also enjoy not actually drawing my wincon
I wouldn't even need a counter to beat that lmao
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>>182051745
and instead of discussing you are just crying like a bitch again
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>>182051798
This. To be quite honest I hope they delete all the expansion except for standard and DE when they introduce the format.
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>>182052085
>Feena? You want to save evos for abyss if you can afford to.
I assume they want to maximize gobu for baph search.
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>Have been building up a control-y vengeance-y Bloodcraft deck for a few months ago
>Wonderland Dreams comes out
>Have to put Spawn in my deck to stay competitive
>Against a completely honest Dragoncraft deck
>Manage to pull a OTK with Alucard and Spawn
>Feel fucking awful, like I ran over a kid's puppy while they watched
>Mfw
Fuck man, I'm not sure if I can play this game anymore.
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>>182052017
>>182052028
Alright
Straight up "last words: deal 6/8 damage to your leader"
High risk high reward.
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>>182052145
>feena, a T5
>when you want baph out on T5 so you can spawn T6
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>>182048456
>People seemed to want to avoid losing the direct damage effect

Only an issue if you play against Rune since you know they will run hard counters to Spawn. As for what you said, Heaven does have some counters, but they aren't as plentiful as Rune's, meaning they have to luck out and have them at the right moment, cause other wise they're a wasted slot, wasted draw. You don't want counters to spawn too early, since any Spawn deck will naturally have the option of this neutral aggro meta.

Not disagreeing with you, just saying that it seems wonky and round about.
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>nerf bapho or maybe even spawn effect
>retards think blood won't continue to dominate
You still have to survive t2 tove rape, t4 BKB fucking up your board Levi style and Sabreur's horseshit into emeralda effortlessly raping your evo point or amulet investments.
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>>182050226
Here you go.
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>he still plays shadowverse
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>>182052263
Still softens the brick if only slightly. I've lost games to blood spawn decks who didn't t5 baph and just controlled for a bit longer. Their trades are still good enough to pull it off.
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>brick after brick after brick after brick
cool
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>>182052368
Being able to play a follower after turn 6 without the fear of nigh uncounterable 8 face damage would be nice though.
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>>182051745
You forgot about the article on ways to "counter" Eachtar.
http://game-ai.jp/30861/
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>>182052368
Now go play the deck yourself with no Spawn/Baphomet and see how bad it performs in comparison to other Neutral decks.
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>>182052421
>Hearthstone sucks
>Gwent sucks
>Magic is expensive
>Yugioh is dumb bullshit now
>Every other game sucks harder than the ones I mentioned
Literally nowhere to go
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>>182052242

Don't worry, those feelings of guilt will burn away in sheer anger when the next blood player does it to you. And the next. And the next...
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>>182052517
stop playing shit games
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So we all agree that Spawn is the not problem but the enabler like BKB, Scarlet, Tove and Emeralda instead right?
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>>182052450
I know this feeling all too well.
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>>182052262
This works for me honestly
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>>182052368
Bloods performance is still bad even with BKB and Sabreur. Hell, Blood's probably low tier 1/high tier 2 at best even with Spawn and Baphomet minus the neutral engine.
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>>182052517
Sngle player games are an option.
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>>182052589
>mentioning Tove and Esmeralda but not fucking Baph
Esmeralda is only useful BECAUSE of Baph.
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>everyone is so caught up with blood that they can't see the real cancer which is haven
Can't wait to see 80% of ladder infested with haven next month and everyone shifted their complaints to it.
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>>182052589
The neutral package is part of the problem. It homogenizes the entire game and makes every earlygame a highroll attempt that allows the player going first to completely run over the person going second.
And spawn is absolutely part of the problem, especially with Baphomet, along with all the cards you mentioned
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>>182052589
Any cancerous drop to win card is a problem. Eachtar killed last expansion because of that.
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>>182052721
>Esmeralda is only useful BECAUSE of Baph
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>>182052718
With hookers and blackjack!

Wait, this could actually be something
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>>182052421
I've seen this fucking post for god knows how many threads and never cared about it. Just another shitpost in a sea of shitposts
But now it finally got to me
This game is beyond salvation unless they finally decide to fuck it and nerf legendaries, AND buff old useless shit
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>>182052464
They started doing that for every strong card in ToG. That other "manual" is for the entire neutral blood deck, and is way more comprehensive than those other guides.

It's not like we didn't know all this shit already anyway.
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>>182052749
>bloodnigger trying to deflect
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>>182052749
Yep yep
The best part is there is no part of haven that enables their win rates.
Except maybe aegis, but there is no other card that really 'helps' aegis, meaning he would the only card to nerf.
I honestly don't know how they even approach nerfing haven.
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>>182052721
She is spot removal and almost guaranteed storm by that point.
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>>182052718
some anon was making a blatant rip-off a few weeks ago
wonder what happened to him
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>>182052718
I do and I play on Lackey with friends but it ain't the same.
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Play Duelyst.
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>>182052821
>turn 6 Spawn
>turn 7 Esmeralda to destroy your wards/amulets/play possibly gain storm for lethal
vs
>turn 8 spawn
>there is no turn 9, you're dead at this point.
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>>182053059
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>>182053024
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>>182053190
>pokemon
You have to be 18 to post on 4chan kiddo..
Enjoying summer vacation?
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>>182052749
I don't feel worry about them desu. Because we still have Rowen and Bahamut to keep these Elanafags in check.
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>>182053024
This might be the single ugliest game I have ever seen in my entire life, and I've seen a lot of fucking lemons
An added bonus is the tranny sv streamer being involved in it
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>>182053237
Man, that game really has gone to shit. I hope PoxNora fixes their client soon so I can go back to playing it.
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>>182049242
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>>182053303
If you had been on this website for more than 2 weeks, you'd know there is a dedicated pokemon board. Stop trying so hard to fit in
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So is it better to make a deck focused on frog or just an ambush deck in general?
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>>182053508
I like duelyst but their leader design is fucking retarded on women. The lips and SJW stuff feels forced af.
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>>182053508
Meant for >>182053024
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>>182053508
would've been much more acceptable if xhe was black
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>mulligan card
>get the same card back
...
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>make neutral deck
>stomp on some shadowbab who was playing old cards
I almost feel bad, but if he was playing that deck, he probably deserved it.
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>>182053547
Doesn't beat neutral engine
Doesn't beat spawn
Doesn't beat haven
Doesn't beat rune anymore with all the dirt and Levi AoE 3 damage and rats and snowmen

Spawn has killed all ambush decks at the moment.
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>>182052718
>tfw I'd probably be autistic enough to make a more balanced card game, but nobody would play it anyways
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Is the animated lyrial autist here?
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>>182031885
Kill yourself, shadownigger.
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Aegis is still dumber than Spawn in terms of card design

Whoever designed these cards and green lit them needs to be fired immediately
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>>182051273
It's really not, unless you're talking Yu-gi-oh because I have no knowledge of that game past those old GBA games. This shit is worse than Affinity.
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>>182054057
HEAVEN REBUKES YOU
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>>182054057
Agreed completely.
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>>182054057
>t. B3
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O T K
T
K
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>>182031885
Here's something you and those Ginger fags need to realize: Cygames is never releasing support for old legos. They want people to open packs to get the new shiny thing, so those cards will just get weaker and weaker with every expansion.
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>>182054057
except aegis comes turn 9 at best
not denying that its pure cancer, but spawn manages to be even more cancerous because it easily comes earlier (T6 at best, T8 at worst), is tutorable and might as well be invincible with ambush+last words
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>>182054057
Cygames already nerfed test of strength for your pleb tier elo shit.
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>>182053731
So what deck should I play if I want to play sword but not neutral sword?
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Sometimes I forget I even have goblins in my deck.
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>>182049527
>haven 14%

why? it doesnt even even counters blood that much just like with shadow/dragon and roach/daria last expansion. i had to claw my ways out to win everytime i tried haven. how come havencraft are always at around 11%-13% playrate
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>>182054117
Um ok. Im just saying that both cards are poorly designed but I guess that's just what shitters think.
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Why are people at 7K master points playing control sword with frontguard?
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>>182054057
>turn 9 do nothing
>good
B rank?
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>>182054274
you should play spawn
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>>182054283
>counters blood
Not really. At best you themis or tribunal a spawn so it only deals 6-8 instead of 12-16 and then they play another.
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>>182054346
Haven started running Iron Maidens, I wonder how well it's working out for them.
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>>182054283
Haven is the closest thing to a counter to Blood. Not everyone has the cards to play Blood, like me, so they just play Haven.
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>>182054274
There's some control sword list out that runs hedgehogs, white ridge swordsman, and officer timmy.
11 legos though.
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>>182054274
Right now sword, as well as shadow and dragon, has nothing that beats the neutral engine
Sorry anon.
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>>182049242
The last sleeve I've farmed for was Feena's. Ever since then I never touched ranked ever again. ToG was disgusting, this one is even worse. Tried some csword decks because people was talking about but it's useless. You try your hardest to win, you stress out while the opponent just drops a cheated lego and it doesn't matter if he loses anyway because he's just on autopilot, I don't think he gives a fuck. Whenever I try to counter spawn I feel like I'm the only idiot that cares.
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>>182054283
There are no counters to Blood right now, Haven just does better than everyone else.

>>182054303
Some guy made a list that uses officer timmy, Roland and Frontguard and it caught up. Satan cat made a video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXFLIVSJ888
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>>182054302
>baddies say card is poorly designed
>you're saying card is poorly designed
there seems to be something of a constant that's implied... here...
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>>182054304
>>182054204
I will literally shit on you faggots. Being masters in shadowverse is like being gold in league of legends
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>>182049527
Remember when shadow was 33% and people were losing their fucking minds? Remember when retards insisted WD is going to change nothing because you can't beat Hector? Good times, good times.
Remember kids, it can ALWAYS be worse.
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>>182054531
>he is actually B rank
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>ramp up
>concede
what's going on dragonbabs
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>>182054624
I'm actually masters
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>Play a dirt burn deck teched for blood
>Have a 90% winrate against it, even by going second, already collected 2k points
>Today
>Get matched 10 games in a row with ANYTHING but blood
>Mostly my direct counters: elena haven and MOTHERFUCKING RAMP DRAGON
>Even fucking control sword and officier timmy popped their head
>Only manage to win half of those games
Fuck this matchmaking system making me not match blood so that they can get their easy wins. The funniest part is that those guys got matched with neutral blood they would have got no chance. What's going on?
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>>182054694
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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>sent back Alice, Hector and Bolt during mulligan
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>>182054752
Can confirm.
This happens all the fucking time.
I almost forgot I was playing WD as rune because I was only getting matches against fucking Haven which you can't do much against as dirt.
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>>182051197
How about spawn's damage not activating if it attacks a ward

Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to make wards useless
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>>182053313
sad i would play
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>>182054470
he played hedgehog, swing and gaywine, then hero and frontguard
I was playing roach and got destroyed by wards
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EVERY DECK IS EXACTLY THE SAME
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>>182054283
Haven has answers for literally everything, it's the most complete class in the game.
Haven has Naoise who cucks spawn
Iron maiden to cuck spawn and hold
Themis and tribunal for emergences/mass clearing + early survival against neutral
Snow white can go toe to toe with fucking tove
March hare is fucking broken
All the heals are annoying as shit to clear
Aegis is bullshit that will win the game by itself if you hold
They can win against blood, but they brick a lot with the early drops.
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Comparing spawn to aegis is like comparing Daria to Neph. All of them are cancerous, just because some of them come a few turns later doesn't make them less cancerous.
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>if you evolve Oz your Piercing Rune's cost increases from 1 to 2
fug
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hey guys
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>>182054057
get out of B rank holy shit isnt the ToS nerf enough for you shadowbab
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>>182055242
True, and yet I can't for the life of me win a single game with Haven when I play it.
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>>182055259
>crying about Nep
What the fuck is with all those D rank shitters today?
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>>182055123
It happens so fucking often that I'm actually starting to supsect that there's some shitty tic in the randomizer.
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>>182055268
wew
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>>182054752
Who's officer Timmy? I see him mentioned in every thread and I don't know wtf are you anons talking about. He's not IKUSOO right?
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>>182055345
>if you say something bad about haven you're a shadowbab
Get over it already, hags.
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>>182055392
BUT IT'S COOL TO CRY ABOUT NEP
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>>182055315
is that motherfucking imperial dragoon
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>>182055474
Hero of Antiquity
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You have a chance to cuck /hsg/ out of their own $100 prizepool from their tournament
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>>182055359
Post dick. Maybe I can help.
Also, it takes a while to get into the aegis/haven mindset. Every other class in the game either ramps or go fast, haven is better when the matches are slow and long. Dunno, I went from lose after lose to a 10 win streak after something clicked
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>>182055259
Coming out a few turns later can make a card unplayable.
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>>182055553
no, im playing jabberwock storm though so might as well be that big of a meme
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>>182055561
Who the fuck plays that guy? He's complete trash, even fangblade is better.
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>>182055704
I love it. Keep up the good work.
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>>182055242
tfw no naoise or snow white in 50 packs
rooo
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>>182055309
At least in the first stage i could help you anon
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>>182055754
He's good on Control Sword, speaking from experience. I just wish he were a commander.
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>>182055242
>Snow white can go toe to toe with fucking tove
The real problem is that tove can go toe to toe with snowwhite despite being a bronze.
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>>182056129
It's fine because blood was bad for 50 expansions in a row :)
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so this is the power of spawn... not bad
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Everytime I play around Vengeance, I get fucked.
Rush down face? diabolic drain and revelation for days
Keep them above 13 health? They spam the board with neutral barf + Alice and lose because I didn't hit face last turn.
It's impossible for them to have both, so I constantly fucking lose the coinflip.
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>>182055642
Are Aegis and Neph unplayable? No? Then they are cancer. Appearing less often and have lesser winrate doesn't make things less cancerous.
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>crafted 3 spawns after getting tired of being beat up
>have more fun playing that one deck with the cheshire cat instead
welp, that was a waste of 10500 vials
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>>182056328
this
its our turn to be cancerous :^)
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>>182056220
Sure, you use telegram?
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>>182056129
Yeah Tove is fucking busted, called it isnce day one and no one listened. And back then I believed that he would lock himself unless a neutral came out every turn. You know, like Rapunzel, the completely useless gold that also gets overshadowed by tove and can only trade equally with him despite being a 3PP
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>Baphomet is now a 2pp 2/2 but no longer has the Enhance effect
>Spawn's effects are active only when vengeance is
Hire me Cygames
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This right here is the sleeper tier 0. After Baphomet gets nerfed this is the only thing that will be on ladder.
Phantom Cat is what Carabosse should have been.
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>>182056129
Why don't you complain about beetle warrior going toe to toe with Albert despite being a bronze?
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>>182056589
>using the class mechanics
Are you out of your fucking mind?
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>>182056620
>bullying disco
Prick.
Yuris won't stay more than one turn usually. Unless they brick.
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>>182052896

Spawn is 100% the problem. High body, high atk, ambush AND does unavoidable face damage. He is the single strongest most over power piece of shit the game has ever had, and we JUST got over Echotar last month. Spawn and Echotar need to be reworked, but they won't. Another problem that is equally as pressing, is the ginormous power creep that has happened. Nerfing a few cards won't solve this power creep issue. Game needs an overhaul and strict rules for keeping power creep in check, placed.
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the grind to grand master is so long even with a good win rate kms
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>>182055754
He's got his uses.
This example Haven bricked pretty hard but normally if Haven had an evo left for Aegis it still couldn't kill this timmy even without durandal.
Sword needed a card that isn't themis or tribunal bait. Sadly HoA is just too slow in every other matchup.
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>>182056379
What decks do you consider not cancer exactly? Do you just want a game that's nothing but aggro and aggro that sometimes trade?
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>>182056997
Just take us back to DE.
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>>182057086
What was "cancer" during DE? I'm sure there was something.
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>>182056912
>guardian sun
>hare of illusion

that was either T2 or a memelord
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>>182056891
the phone number thing is always private and anonymous, the only way to see if we add the number in the phone.
desu is the best platform for autistic persons :http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-telegram-channels-2015-11
[email protected]
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>>182057286
storm haven, ptp forest, midrange sword, elana seraph
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>>182057286
Mid Sword.
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>>182057286
Tempo Elf
Midrange Sword
Elana
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>>182056997
Post-nerf RoB was a good game state. People bitched about Mid-Sword, but in the tournament finals nobody ran it because there were plenty of strong decks that could beat it without losing to everything else. Every class but Dragon was in a pretty good state, and Dragon still at least had aggro/face as a semi-viable tier 2 build.
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>T6 daria vomit
This is what happens in ranked when you switch classes.
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>>182057463
Saha Ramp wasn't that bad.
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>>182057427
Forest was never cancerous. It was always honest. It is when kikegames euthanize forest systematically that this game become more and more brainless. They don't want skill involvement in this game. We have reach the point that a deck can win by itself without player's input because of this.
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>>182057286
there are four decks, which was the largest amount of viable decks in T1
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when people tell you jabberwock is only a meme
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>>182057286
The only real answer is Elana Haven.
Beastcall Aria was the second best card in the game for a reason. You could afford to drop Elana on turn 3, then barf out heals until your opponent ragequits.
The only dangerous burst you had to worry about was PtP and Roach.
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>>182057086
DE raises the skill level with the decks but PtP and Seraph were much more meta warping than any control finishers nowadays. I mean you could run Odins but the amount of decks that could tech that without destroying themselves was tiny.

The best strategy for dealing with either was being able to ignore them the way DShift and Midsword could. At least with Nephthys and Aegis we have the tools to aggro them out or compete on control end.

/svg/ bitches about control and control tops way too much. I never understood the criticism about them being solitaire or cancerous. Control decks always have to interact and after DE the problem decks have been in every archetype except control. Nephthys and Aegis aren't just fine, they're a level of power that's necessary.
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>>182057463
People played the game even less after the nerf. Albert sword was spawn level of retardation with turn 9 guaranteed kill. You're just dumb.
>>
>be me
>make midrange sword control with double durandal to see if i can cuck bloodfags
>t1 goblin
>t2 tove
>t3 tove and goblin
I d-didn't want to win anyway.
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>>182057802
>The only real answer is Elana Haven.
t. Shadownigger
Elana wasn't even the best deck.
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>>182057286
Elf was the cancer. Thread was fill with people calling for the removal of elves
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>>182057867
Elana was probably only top of tier 2 but it bothered me than all of the top tier decks. All of the top tier decks had good match ups and bad match ups among the lower tiers and were generally defined by how they matched up within the top tier.

Elana was annoying because the deck lost to every top tier deck, but won against every deck beneath that. I really felt like DE was defined more by whether or not you could deal with the heals than whether or not you could beat PtP.
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>>182057673
>always honest
>fairies and roaches bouncing all over the place
>faggot beast when you finally whittle the down for more roach faggotry
It was honest about being cancer.
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>>182057463
Pre nerf RoB was better. All the balance in the right place. Sword was pretty strong in that patch too, together with everyone else.

>>182057972
Those are just shitters who couldn't rub 2 brain cells together to make up a counterplay.
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>>182057286
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>>182056680
Because he's stuck in a gimped craft unlike tove.
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>when your opponent bricks
is there a better feeling
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>>182057823
>People played the game even less after the nerf
Source: my ass
>Albert sword was spawn level of retardation with turn 9 guaranteed kill. You're just dumb.
You could see Albert coming from miles away and it was stupidly easy to deal with. Like that anon said, Midsword even started being played less and less in tournaments. You are fucking retarded.
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>>182057673
Forest is dishonest as heck even when it's shit tier. It's the fucking combo craft, doing its best not to play Shadowverse.
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>>182057867
I have to wonder if the people that spout this bs even played in DE.
The vast majority of the posters here started this game in DE and they were almost all Sword players back then, and literally everyone recommended rerolling into Banner Sword for how easy it was to pilot and win with. No unga Sword player enjoyed playing against Elana and they were probably the biggest momposters back then.
t. played Storm and Elana Haven exclusively in DE

Which also goes to show how fucking trash this game became compared to DE, where you could play cheap tier 2 decks like Banner and still climb your way to Masters comfortably.
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>>182058225
Damn, Elana must've been the queen of the salt mines.
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>>182058273
THIS
Only shitters complain about Albert. It is actually possible to play around Albert, unlike fucking Spawn or Eachtar
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Does it count as bricking when neutral sword can't play his gobbo in round 1?
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>>182058247
>when your opponent perfect curves but you have perfect answers
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>>182058145
Fairies, hell, even roach dies to any kind of board clear unlike the cancer we are seeing now. People are fine with Alberto but not roach? Come the fuck on, gimme a fucking break.
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>>182058335
I hated forest in tog mainly because of Aerin's annoying ass. I will always hate forest no matter what tier they're in because if that annoying ass card
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>>182058553
We didn't use to have as much board clear back in Tempo Forest's prime as we have today.
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>>182058509
>turn 6 Naoise + Tribunal against their solo spawn board
Agreed
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>>182058576
>complain about Aerin
t. D0
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i want to suck soulsquasher's dick
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Guess my craft.
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>>182057286
Dshift is the only correct answer. Everything else was """fair"""
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>>182058553
>Fairies, hell, even roach dies to any kind of board clear
What the fuck are you talking about? Roach is a combo card and a finisher. It doesn't die to board clear, you don't play a Roach for tempo.
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this is your average DE thread

https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/160212535
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>>182058797
>selwyn
gee
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>>182058913
H-how did you guess?
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>>182058880
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/160212535/#160212773
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>>182058880
>we used to have a friend list in the OP
Times have changed
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>>182058880
>back when we still put /hsg/ in the op
Good times.
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>>182057972
Remove elf is a literal meme
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how the fuck did that autist get into grandmaster by just playing D-shift? He has to be lying, piece of shit.
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>>182059068
When did it become sacrilege to so much as mention HS?
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>>182058717
Just run 3 Angelic barrage and angelic snipe. Having full board of fairies cleared by barrage was a death sentence for tempo, so I don't get why people whine about forest.
>>182058874
Exactly. Roach posed no threat after it unleash the power and you can easily kill it if they left it on board. It was an elaborate otk that involve multiple cards and turns of prepration unlike the easy win con we have today. People have no right to complain about forest.
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>>182058880
>one guy momposting with vanilla jeanne
its actually kind of nice...
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>>182059315
Japs just happen to be autistic gaming savants often. Some guy even made it to master with a dirt daria dshift hybrid deck in RoB prenerf meta.
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>>182058859
Have to agree, fuck every iteration of D-shift.
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>>182059365
After Gadgetzan
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>>182059121
>the class which was most favoured against forest in DE complained about forest
I know it is a meme but still
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>>182059575
I'm not HS savvy. What does that mean or what is its relevance to /svg/ hating HS?
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>>182059018
Huehue
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>>182059365
Everything is a sacrilege nowadays. As you can see in that thread, the worst you'd get for posting a screenshot of your game as a t1 deck was a "MOOOOOOOM" post. Nowadays everyone is wishing death on each other for as much as mentioning the first letter of the craft you play.
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Wow t5 bapho!
Who could have guessed after 2x goblin leaders.
Fuck with this blood everywhere when I just wanna meme.
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>>182059760
>shadowniggers
>haven cancer
>bloodniggers
>neutralniggers
>dragon memers
>roachniggers
>swordnigger
It's become rather annoying indeed.
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I think cygames are going to start having a rather rude awakening.
Right now the only legendaries you need to succeed in this game are x3 Alice and x2 Spawn

Why would anyone ever buy crystals
Hell, they have new prebuilds coming, and they are not going to sell because not a single one beats spawn or the neutral engine.

They NEED to nerf Spawn and Alice. A slap on the wrist to baph and goblin leader just isn't going to cut it anymore. How can they not see this coming?
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>still have only pulled 1 WLD legendary
come on, cygames
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>animated Usher of Styx puts an animated card in your hand
BRETTY NEAT
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>>182058880
This place was a lot comfier, I still remember parts of that thread where the guy wanted to extract the card art.
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>>182059656
Probably just /svg/ got big and ditch /hsg/ in the title. In hsg people hated other people talking about sv and gadgetzan was about the same time. Then they came here to shit talk us by saying pedo etc, which is how the relationship soured. Hell they can't even handle the thinking man's joke.
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>>182059971
>Kill yourself, shadownigger.
What if we just collectively started reporting all the "kys (craft)nigger" spam to clean up threads? It's only downhill if you allow them to keep it up.
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>>182059890
>shadowniggers
>dragoncucks
>ungashitters
>swordbabs
>tree fuckers
>runetumour
>haven cancer
get your memes right
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>>182059971
What did japan do about granblue? Just mass amount of players leaving?
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>>182059873
Just rahab Oracle into imperial meme
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>>182060109
I like half of those desu.
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>>182059890
That's why I usually just leave this general's tab open while doing something else, then come back to skim through whatever got posted. It's unsalvageable at this point, but there's still good discussion to be had here believe it or not.
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>>182058273
You can see spawn coming as soon they drop baphomet, retard. It changes nothing if you don't have an answer ready at hand. Albert sword was buff, storm, face and on perfect curve there a little to no answer to it. There's a reason why sword didn't get support during ToG and only got neutral support this time. As soon as you make unga storm viable again it's the same usual shitshow from DE all over again.

I'd rather play against spawn than banner or otohimesage meta again. Spawn if you transform or put back to hand they concede in shame. Endless storm units there's nothing you can do other than either taunt forever or take damage since this game has no hand destruction.
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71227

concede plz
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>>182060086
You're 3 months too late. The damage has been done
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>>182059971
>Japanese playerbase riots like in granblue
uwot
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>>182060204
It'll leave him far too close to dead though.
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>>182060214
>namefag
opinion discarded
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>>182060109
Sounds about right. Sadly we can't have a thread where there are legitimate complaints and name calling at the same time. God forbid we have a healthy meta like standard and DE again.
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>>182059890
Kill yourself, shadownigger.
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>>182060334
Nyaa~
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>>182060263
It's never too late to take action. If you're game, so am I.
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What can second turn do by turn 3 that's so amazing it justifies a tempo disadvantage from the start and losing all momentum and never getting it back at turn 4 even with a perfect draw?
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>>182060330
It's something I guess
Rahab evo then 1/1 into 2/1, hope he evo trades spawn (or not) into your rahab then pray he doesn't do anything afterwards
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>>182060516
Turn 3 concede
Super quick games. Thats what going 2nd gets you these days
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>>182060086
>>182060485
>oy vey censor the goyim
The joke makes itself.
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>>182060516
It used to be the complete opposite so Cygames flipped it around. Great balance, right?
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>>182060364
Craftwars are already part of this general, even a good meta won't save it.
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>>182060295
Ban evasion is against the rules.
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>against "blood" in C0
>only blood card he played was BKB which gave him a huge fucking control because lul so balanced
>then came the usual goblin faggotry with feira and alice
haha epic
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>>182060086
Kys shadownigger. You know you deserve this. Keep telling us about your six gorrillion banishes even when you have 70% winrate in ToG and how you deserve to be on top. Don't expect sympathy from us when you were so openly disgusting and shameless in every thread since the inception. At least the bloodfags who are sinning right now don't pretend they are the good guys and feel dirty about what they are doing.
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>>182060295
We are in this together brother. Shadowkikes must burn.
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>>182060738
Except it's not about shadow, specially not now. This is pretty much exclusively about asinine spam.
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>>182059760
>>182059890
>muh feelings stop spamming pl0x :(
are you guys for real? the fact that you homos unironically think like thats proves that those "spammers" are right
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>>182060901
>At least the bloodfags who are sinning right now don't pretend they are the good guys and feel dirty about what they are doing.
Holy shit the fucking delusion.
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>draw 3/4s of my deck playing aggro
Oz was a mistake.
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>>182061105
>how dare these anons not eat up my shit and rejoice in my incessant spam of thought ending sophism in order to further dilute the quality of this general
>>
I actually thought monposting was pretty funny because of all the different variations
>Mom, get the camera!
>Mother, get the recorder!
>Mama, get the screenshotter!
>Okaasan!
So on and so forth
Now it's just kys shadownigger
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>>182061105
How does wanting good post quality prove anything of the sort?
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>>182060901
This.

Also bloodbros aren't pedos.
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>>182060204
I rahab into fervor & oracle.
T7 he raped my rahab with a bandersnatch and hit my face for 16 dmg exact lethal.
FUN GAME!
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>>182060768
Craftwars are fine. What I was trying to say is that I want a healthy meta where everyone is complaining about everyone else because in their mind the other crafts needs a nerf while everyone has around 50% winrate and equal playrates. Sort of like the old rivalry between sword and forest.

>>182060916
No, not really. You just want people to stop calling you shadownigger. We are having good discussion here, with or without you mentioning muh 6 million banishes or how underpowered nep is.
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>>182061335
To be honest this kys shit should be a fucking bannable offense because it's annoying as fuck now and adds nothing to the discussion
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>>182061105
Right about what???
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>play against mid Sword
>his turns take forever
>he loses anyway
I could've lost at least 2 games to Spawn decks in that time, think faster you fucking dingus.
Does this general still have those fags that would rope almost every game? I remember them being all high and mighty for wasting people's time.
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I'm rank B2, what rank should I start getting rekt with this deck?

I'm doing pretty well right now.

Not shown: Revelation x2 Spawn of the Abyss x1

Out of like 10 games, only once did I use Spawn to win, won most of the others, except one where I would've won if I hadn't chose to not use Spawn, since it's cancer but I've learned my lesson, they ended up using Spawn on me.
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>>182061580
AA0.
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>>182061383
>good post quality
>>182058880
>>
>>182061667
it is substantially better
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>>182061616
>Literally as soon as I leave B
Heh
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>>182061441
You're on fucking 4chan, why are you surprised

No, really. What did you expect from this place?
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>>182061875
Nothing but this is getting retarded.Guess i'll have to use a filter now.
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>>182061441
>muh fee fees were hurt, ban them!

It actually helps the discussion because nobody want to hear how bad you had it as a shadow player for one million times. Kys shadownigger is a legit response so that we can skip that part and go to the discussion that matters. Even this meta is about blood and we are trying to figure out a way to deal with it, sometimes by complaining about it , yes, but we're getting there. And yet you still have to make this about you? How big is you ego? Is every shadow player like this? You can keep your crocodile tears to yourself. Now do us a favour and go and kill yourself, shadownigger.
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>>182062075
>not having half the thread already filtered
I'm glad I can't see the tripfags anymore.
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>>182062071
>[Deleted]
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>put opponent within Spawn lethal
>play Bapho
>opponent concedes even though I didn't draw Spawn
who /mischief/ here
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>>182061437
>What I was trying to say is that I want a healthy meta where everyone is complaining about everyone else
Literally post-nerf RoB. The only craft back then that needed a slight tweak was Dragon, and then they could all just add a few support cards to other already existing archetypes.
But the deal is, that doesn't sell packs, so Cygames isn't interested in that.

>with or without you mentioning muh 6 million banishes or how underpowered nep is
Not even him, but you just fell for the memesters here.
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>>182061410
>what is vania
>>
>people getting offended by memes
>on 4chan

Really?
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>>182061441
Maybe not bananable but remember spam is against the rules according to global rule 10.
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>>182062378
The wrong way to call Claudia
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>>182062292
They were pretty much dead anyway. Cat or Caboose would've spelled their doom just as much.
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>>182062386
is not offendend is like t.b.h s.m.h things hiro should ban kys too
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>>182062180
i mean look at this
>>182049834
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>>182062378
Who?
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>>182062292
>6 hp on T5
>even after blood played their "T5 do nothing"
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>>182061437
>or how underpowered nep is
This reminds me. What are people doing for WD Nep? I made a 2/3/7/8 deck and I didn't do very well at all.
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>>182062292
Why do you run Baphomet? The more non-neutrals you run, the more you risk cucking yourself out of Phantom Cat lethal
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>>182062482
I don't know why you people care so much though. How about simply ignoring those posts?
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>>182062386
Shadoniggers and their victim complex. I still remember them at their high horse posting "I won't apologize" and "we deserve this" during their peak in ToG. Kys shadownigger is here to stay to fend off those kikes.
>>
Remember when goblinmount was cancer?
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>>182062482
the fact that banned words are still a thing means that hiro wanted the reddit audience
>i dont like x so pls bannu
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Heal on this dick bitch nigga
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>>182062292
Happens all the time in my poorfag control blood deck because I only have 1 spawn and 2 vamp queens. Sometimes I draw a 6 pp queen but they assume it was spawn and concede. The psychological impact is insane.

>unrelated
I feel like if you replaced shadow by "jew", these posts of indignation from the spammers would make you feel like you were in fact in some other board.
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28154

could i get a concede?
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>>182062951
>he went 1st
outskilled
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>>182062769
>the fact that banned words are still a thing means that hiro wanted the reddit audience
I assume you weren't here from 2009 to 2011 when the word filter was in full force and the list of things you couldn't say because of an automated ban was in the dozens.
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>>182062769
4chan has been pandering to normalfags since they deleted /l/ and old /g/.
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>>182062685
Actually, no.
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>>182062769
the bans actually worked
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>>182063079
Not him but I was off when before baka desu senpai are filtered due to classes. How bad was it that they have to filter them?
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new bread when

put my waifu unica in it
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>>182063172
>old /g/
What?
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>>182062685
Every deck had like 2~3 Death of Dance at the time so it wasn't so bad.
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>>182063019
thanks forte!
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>>182063297
>How bad was it that they have to filter them?
Pretty bad for some reason.Those are word replacement filters though. There were times when some words would automatically give you warnings or a ban in the worst cases.
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>>182062769
What words are banned?
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>>182062075
You can downvote the meanies on Reddit. I feel like that site suits you more.
>>
New
>>182063443
>>182063443
>>182063443
New


>>182063336
/g/ used to stand for guro.
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>>182063517
>>182063517
>>182063517
>>182063517
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>>182063079
i was here since 2009 at least because e3
but i never noticed or ever used words that were worthy a ban
>>182063172
nah that just means that moot was literally a baby because he raged about being called pedo for posting loli in his old safe space
>wah im offended, im gonna make my pedo safe space under americlap laws, that sure will them!
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>>182063423
Hi r*ddit is still considered a spam. Imagine this.

>>182063172
>/l/ is not ok but /cm/ is

Really makes you think.
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>>182062769
they should just make so many meme wordfilters that nobody makes sense anymore
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