/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

i think i figured out my stone problem thanks anon

i have a bunch of seeds laying around in my stockpiles, can i just make more barrels for them to be stored in?

>>180902293
Make bags, then they'll put seeds in the bags and the bags into barrels.

>carve a shitty spiky ball out of one log
>trade it for an entire caravan's worth of food
>throw it all together and roast it into a shitty caked mess of burnt horse milk biscuits
>buy out the rest of the entire caravan with it
Pretty ridiculous

>>180902293
>>180902363
As Anon said, you need to make bags, which can be tricky because getting cloth on your own involves a multiple step process of growing and refining pig tail plants. Usually what you want to do is buy cloth sheets from caravans, they sell them rather cheap, and leather even cheaper for some reason.
Word of advice: disable barrels in your seed stockpile. They cause job cancellation spam and are in general wasted barrels.

jesus christ my third migrant wave was like 18 of these fuckers. what do i do with all these guys

why are some of the bolts i made forbidden by default?

>>180903152

also i have bolts and quivers but its saying my ranger cant hunt because no ammunition?

I just bisected a kobold with one swing of my great axe. It didn't die straight away and one of my followers crushed its head stealing my epic kill.

Fuck you.

>>180903152
They may be bolts that you made but, are you sure they weren't used already? If they were used and you haven't set the order to claim used ammunition yet then they will become forbidden upon being used.

>>180903295
Hunting is pretty fucky since the crossbow nerf, what's happening there is that your hunter is emptying all 20 bolts in his quiver, realizing he has no more ammo, and giving up complete with a confusing error. There's really nothing that can be done, this will happen even with good quality bolts. Assigning him a hunting dog can help but the dog won't last very long.
Another problem here is that the animal can bleed out while the hunter is gone, and the hunter won't retrieve the corpse in that case. Press [o]-[r]-[o] to make your dorfs gather outside refuse, they will now go pick up the perfectly good elk corpse and haul it to the corpse stockpile, hopefully in range of a butchers shop (you may need to queue them to butcher manually)

>>180903419

ah that would be it i think.

i wonder why my rangers arent hunting though due to lack of ammunition?

>>180903413
If it was actually bisected then it wasn't still alive. There are a few kinds of damage that will kill a creature immediately 100% of the time, and that's one of them.

>>180903679
It flew in two seperate bits. What's that if not bisected?

>>180903592
Well if it might be the order thing then go ahead and [o] [F] to show the forbid orders and change the ammunition one to claim instead of forbid, which is on by default for some reason and it took me 2 years to figure that one out. Same problem, kept mass producing bolts but, my hunters kept wining for ammo.

>>180903732
Clipping your toenails separates you into two bits.

>>180903750

boom got it thanks anon fuck i keep forgetting about that menu

>moody dude makes a platinum spiky ball with rough bloodstone and puppy bone
>dig out a small hole, hang it from the ceiling in the center
>fill it with beds and chairs and tell all the nobles the puppyblood spikeball room is their new bedroom, new dining room, new office, etc
>all the nobles are ecstatic about this and spend all their free time praising the deathball together in harmony
I feel like I just started a cult.

>>180904237
>placing artifact querns in the King's bedroom
Dorfs love the weirdest shit.

how do i get my dwarves to equip training swords for training?

will they just do it themselves after a time?

>>180905395
It's fine if they just use regular weapons. They won't kill each other.

>>180905636

i have two battle axes, but they arent equipping those either

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>>180903679
Technically npcs can keep hitting stuff while it is flying through the air dead.

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>>180906784
You can also do weird stuff like line up multiple hyperfast attacks > first one severs the target > the rest bat it around in midair.

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>>180906784
Right, that's it Max, I can't stay silent any longer!
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/rend

Rend means to tear into pieces, which is fine more or less if each attack with that weapon does sever something, but even then, it doesn't really fit the bill.

You had better be feeling intense shame right now.

>>180907192
I assure you it tears shit into pieces every time, don't try to grammarize a native grammarian son.

Bugs

Currently, as of v0.42.04, goblin ambushes do not happen due to it being removed from the raw. Sieges still do occur after your fortress exceeds the population of 80 though.

what.

>>180906784
>>180906890
You know what i want? Tick based progression in dialogs, so you could interrupt people halfway by killing them, for example. Shouldn't be too hard to code i think.

If I turn a bed into a bedroom will a dwarf automatically claim it without me assigning him to it?

>>180908703
Yes, it might take a bit but don't worry about it.

>>180908116

is this true? no more ambushes/?

>>180908854
Thanks, my fingers were getting tired.
>>180906376
Not sure what to say about that then, anon. Military is pretty confusing. I'd recommend looking up a guide to using the ui.

>>180908936
Doesn't seem like it, my first fort lasted about 15 years, most of it with a pretty poor military and it didn't get a single goblin ambush.

>>180909169
>>180908116

well what the fuck. i enjoy for building, but i want to kill the fuck out of goblins as well

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Reposting for the people who haven't seen it yet. It looks like most people (the 3 who replied to me last thread), are all for a new tournament, so I'll be opening the registrations soon and start accepting combatants once I'm all ready. As for the concerns from last time, I'll be prolonging the registration period to one week, and spreading the fights over several weeks in order to not clog up the general. In addition, I'm allowing humans the same amount of points as the rest of the standard races (elves/goblins/dwarves). I'm also considering buffing armour and armour user, as of right now they are more expensive to equip and use efficiently over just spamming mastery of one kind of weapon and dodging.

I'm also toying with the idea of having group battles, 2v2, 3v3 and the like. Gladiators could team up and fight together, against other gladiators, monsters, or just hordes of wild beats. As always, feedback is appreciated, and if you want to send me a direct message, my email is [email protected]
Here's the link to the google doc with more information: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xaf7ze5dgC1L4h7Y8flaG6meHZtqiuVj7dojwvQx1yc/edit#gid=1311675782

Currently, the schedule will probably go as follows:
>1st week for registration period and possible balancing
>2nd week for the first round of eliminations
>3rd week for the second round and semifinals
>4th week for the battle royale and finals

>>180909919
Is submitting multiple fighters allowed?

>>180911893
If you want to submit multiple fighters I'll keep them on the backburner, so that if we don't get a full roster of fighters from different managers they can participate. I'm hoping that this time though we won't have managers with multiple fighters.

>>180911998
Did someone do Dick-Ass Thief in a previous Tourney?

>>180912616
No, you're free to create whatever sort of gladiator you wish.

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>>180913326
I just wanted to enter something that hadn't been entered before, that's all.

>>180902069
Any other 40d players in the thread? I'm gunna give it a go for the first time and looking for some tips. As far as I'm aware there were no cavern layers and it didn't have many z-lvls. Any other major features I should be aware of?

I'm pretty much assuming that all the modern DF comforts like Therapist and DFhack didn't exist for it. Will modern tilesets still port over to it fine? I'm thinking Myne or CLA or something maybe.

2nd cave layer has a rampway that goes all the way down to the 3rd but no adamantium

Keep digging? y/n

Don't really have need for magma or magma forges since my zone has assloads of lignite

can't you put dwarf names as columns and skills as rows in Dwarf Therapist?
hurting my neck over here

>>180916217
Nope

>>180916460
amazing really

>>180916217
>too casual for Therapist
o iam laffin

What do I do with all of this excess alcohol that I have filling up every room?

I would drink it all but I can't play Dwarf Fortress when I'm inebriated.

>>180917882
drink it

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Can animals die from alcohol poisoning?
Also why the hell are my animals covered with booze.

>>180918596
Build a dwarven bathtub in your main entrance and the entrance to your caves

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>try making an Aragorn-esque character named Strider
>get a Dwarf Axeman and Elf Bowman as companions
>3 days later a forest titan melts us to death
>mfw

>>180918897
I don't see how that would protect animals in the meeting hall from getting booze showers.
Guess I'll have to keep all my pets far away from those little drunkards.

>>180919154
What the flying fuck is going on.

Now my giant chipmunk is dead too and it isn't even covered in anything. Other animals however are fucking dripping with booze, even those that are kept far away from dwarfs and drinks.

After spending all day generating worlds, I finally got one with what I wanted, a volcano next to a taiga within reach of goblins.

I can't tell how I should place my embark to best have both the taiga and the volcano, though. I'm planning on having an above-ground fort in the Taiga, bringing magma from the volcano to play with. How bad would my framerate be affected if I increased the embark size?

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>>180920110
Oops, forgot picture

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ADVENTURERER SPOUSE CONVERSION WHEN

UNFFF

i got my first werebeast, killed it, he attacked joe fag the dwarf and now i cant find him

do they usually run off after they transform?

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Here we go lads, the highest moodable skill is weaponsmithing. It's going to take a while, since my fps is absolute crap at the moment, so make your bets in the meantime.

>>180909919
Have any of the costs for skills and items changed since last time?

>>180925735
a bucket

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>>180925735
By the way, some brave tree-hugger decided to leave fortress through my future power station in caverns.

>>180925735
Crossbow.

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>>180925735
>>180926353
>>180926419

>>180913636
Alright, we have our first combatant!

>>180926083
I've heavily reduced the cost of armour user, and for now that's all I think I'll do to change things up. Armour itself can be useful, but the added expense of leveling up armour user has made it less effective than dodging. Now the total cost for max armour-user is 119.

If I want to start with a metalsmithing dwarf, what should I give them? Armorsmithing and weaponsmithing? Or should I split those up among two dwarves, or just have one of them?

>>180927268
Is it okay to re-use a set of skills and items from the last tourney?

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>the feeling of sallying forth to defeat invasions hand to hand
Trapfags need to leave.

>>180930343
that's a lot of ghosts

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>>180931081
>ghosts

>>180931081
There were more shambling up behind them too, over 60 in all. Squishy, gore-filled ghosts.

>>180928951
I mean sure, if you want. However, no re-using of previous combatants, they are all decidedly dead (except for the two survivors). You could make a new guy with the same stats and equipment as a previous gladiator as long as you fluff them as someone else, I just personally think trying something new each time might be more fun.

I also forgot to mention, each fighter can have their own little piece of lore or description, and a theme song if you so wish. Just link the theme song whenever you send me your character details, either over e-mail or by /dfg/

>>180931081
>ghosts

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>>180934005
WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE IF THEY AREN'T GHOSTS?

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>>180931081
>ghosts

>>180934369
Werefutas

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>>180934369
>ghosts

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>>180934746
>>180934650
>>180934586

>>180934852
read the filename in the pic you triple goblin

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>demons make spires exclusively near goblin civs
>demons help goblin armies by taming savage beings like cave dragons
>when demons are set to 0 in settings goblins literally can't exist
What do they mean by this?

Also wouldn't it be easier just to do all the fighting themselves?

>>180934916
they are zombies?

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>>180933058
alright TourneyAnon, I present challenger number two

>>180935086
no, they're ghosts.

>>180933058
That's good. I experimented a bit in the arena, but I couldn't really find any setup that worked better than the one I used last time.

I assure you that my new combatant has more than enough new flavour to compensate for the re-used skill/item setup, though.

>tfw fuck around with the legends viewer just so I can create a proper backstory and symbol for my fort

>>180935152
Alright, added to the doc.

>>180935314
Good to hear, may your champion live up to your expectations.

>>180935086
no, they're skeletons.

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>>180935269
>>180936297

>>180935724
I'll use this trip instead of emailing you. It'll be easier replying in the thread on the off chance Dick-Ass makes it through round 1

>>180935724
I sent an application your way, Tourneyanon.

Where are you drew? drew, it's time to come home.

Come home drew.

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>>180938019
>Where are you drew?

>>180935724
Sent a submission to your email

is it possible to turn off blood rains on evil embarks? it just keeps raining 24/7 and looks like absolute shit.
neither evil rains/clouds nor weather turn that off.

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>tfw still no idea where to dig for my fort
Should I make it under the brook?

guys how do I read the messages that keep popping up at the bottom. if I press "r" for reports it only shows combat related messages

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>>180939442

>>180916217
Nope, just use manipulator instead of that stupid shit.

>>180940534
Press a, r is only for combat reports, and sometimes dwarves falling off ledges.

>>180940534
a for announcements.

>>180940534
"a" for announcements.

>>180940664
Personally, I'd prefer having some trees inside the walls for fruit. Mmmm, cider.

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I just got dumped a few days ago, give me a embark challenge to take my mind of this shit feeling

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How should i kill my weremayor? I've got him trapped in here. I think there is some sort of bug because whenever he turns back into a dwarf he goes unconscious.

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>>180941402
Ice castle covered in elf blood.

>captcha: PLACE BEGINS

i crafted some obsidian short swords wich are clearly stocked but they don't show up when I tell my militia to equip a specific weapon. is that normal?

>>180940664
Are those squares at the edges meant to be pillars?

>>180943198
towers. Like in a castle

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>>180909919
Since ive been having trouble sending emails lately i'll just post my character here, hopefully you will notice it and add it in Tourneyanon.

>>180943484
Oh.
And building a wall won't dam up the brook right?

>>180945963
not if you build over it.

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>>180909919
Thought I had the second tourney pic somewhere but can't remember.

>>180940664
Oh wow what a completely original and interesting design that I've definitely never seen before.

>>180946240
make something better then

>>180909919
Uh, how much do levels in mining cost? Same as a normal weapon or same as misc weapon user?

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>>180948349
Well here's The Gladiatrix (Silly hippies, trees are for burning!) for either assumption.

PATCH WHEN? I wanna jump back in already.

>>180925735
Steel trapdoor.

>>180950306
that would actually be pretty handy.

any trapdoor can be used to seal off hell at will, since they can't be destroyed from below. however, they can still be destroyed from ABOVE by some random cave animal who happens to get near them.

this isn't the case with artifact trapdoors. they are completely safe from ALL directions.

>>180951738
Can't you also do this with a bridge?

>>180903152
because used ammunition is automatically forbidden (to prevent civs from charging into the battlefield to reclaim it) unless you change that in the "o"rders menu

>>180926980
>Got lucky mate.

>>180908116
That's not a fucking bug. Jesus christ. A bug is an unintended problem. If Toady consciously removed something from the raws then it's obviously not a fucking bug, it's just something some people dislike.

>>180909919
Checking the wiki, cheetahmen would be the same size as a dwarf. so they get the same amount of points as a dwarf?

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>>180953012
>lucky
My 10k shit quality copper bolts beg to differ.

Also there's more where that came from.

>>180908116
I actually have a vague memory of a gobbo ambush occurring once in one of the early 0.42 versions, after being absent though 0.40.

>>180946189
Should I use this to build my character?

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>>180954482
And here we go.

>>180953176
Ambushing isn't a raw-defined behavior. The [AMBUSHER] tag causes squads that arrive during a siege to enter the map hidden, like elves do. Elves have that tag, and it functions properly for their sieges. Goblins have never had that tag. If the wiki (still) suggests otherwise then it's (still) wrong.

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i feel bad

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>>180958089
Meanwhile...

>>180958353

okay, maybe i'm not that bad after all thank you

>designate stone stockpile right in the middle of stone-ridden ground
>instead of picking up the stones right next to the stockpile, dorfs go and fetch the stones ON THE OTHER FUCKING END OF THE FORTRESS because they were the last stones created
This is unplayably stupid.

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Its hot and your probably baking in some surface field while your fat mayor sits in his office drinking and having a jolly good time signing under the death warrants for breach on work orders.

Well we at Towertech cant improve your station in life but we have invented this remarkably tasty and invigorating energy drink called PlumpZ.
It will give you a refreshing taste and recover some of your strength, comes with a 15% alcohol for dwarfs.
With this you will fly over those field like a weasel chased by a weretiger. and still have enough energy to stir some trouble at the tavern in the evening.
Proven to improve beard growth and give you that grim and sour look all dwarfs wants, not to mention its cheap and affordable and is shipped in batches of six for your enjoyment.
The drinks have been tested on extensively on Kobolds and Humans and proven to have almost zero drawbacks.
Buy now and get our special Skeleton summer special cup after the 10 first purchases.

>Consumer might experience heavy sleep deprivation, lethargy and addiction over time. rare case also hearth failure and seizures.

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>page 10 again

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ded

Why are marksdwarves so useless? 10 legendary marksdwarves died to the same FB and an emergency speardwarf one-shot it

>>180962834
They got nerfed, dude

>>180962834
I have a suicide wrestling squad made of humans, a hammer squad for fortress guard, and a spear squad for cavern defense.

Bucklers are shit, right?

>>180965182
right

whats the dfhack command that fixes armour stands so they hold weps and such?

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>page 10

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>ded thred

>>180968454
Hasn't worked since 0.34

>>180936719
Alright if that suits you better.

>>180936967
>>180938636
>>180943852
Added to the doc

>>180946189
Neat, but some of the stats on that one are a bit off, like I mentioned earlier, humans have 220 points and armour user was made a lot cheaper.

>>180948349
I think due to their powerful weapon potential, picks will be made as expensive as a regular dwarf weapon. so 20 points. They have indeed been modded to work with miscellaneous user skill, so just put your points there. However, seeing as they'd be so cheap to level up, I'm considering doubling the points required in misc skill purely for picks, to balance them out. Does this seem reasonable to you?

>>180953408
Sure, they don't have any outrageous advantages like certain other animal men, so you're fine with 220.

>>180955115
Best to follow the guide in the document, with the updated stats and costs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xaf7ze5dgC1L4h7Y8flaG6meHZtqiuVj7dojwvQx1yc/edit#gid=1311675782

/dfg/ is dead. It is sad but not unexpected.

>>180969247
Doing Armok's work, Tourneyanon.

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>>180969247
Thanks. If there's nothing wrong, I'd like to submit my fighter.

>>180969247
>I'm considering doubling the points required in misc skill purely for picks
That would unfairly penalize anyone who wanted to use a nonstandard weapon, and also give extra advantage to pick users who also use a heavy shield since they'll be getting double offensive value out of their primary weapon skill. Why not just make picks use the axe skill instead? It would give them the same point value you were aiming for anyway and makes sense from a mechanical perspective.

>>180971096
I think he means if you're using a pick, your misc cost is doubled, anyone using an actual miscellaneous item will use the normal cost. The only people affect would be those using a pick and a misc weapon dual wielding?

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i have planned this rather poorly, for the second time

>>180969247
Putting them at the same misc progression as sword/hammer/etc seems fair, the 5/10/15/etc steps.

Going with that assumption:
The Gladiatrix
Female (Bearded!) Dwarf
>skilled dodger 50 50
>prof miner 75 125
>novice wrestler 4 129
>novice armor 2 131
>steel pick 80 211
>elf leather high boots 5 216
>elf leather gloves 4 220

>>180971531
He might mean that. The wording is ambiguous enough that either interpretation is correct. Shield bashes use misc object, though, so that's still added offensive value on a skill whose cost is being increased to compensate for its OPness. Either way I think assigning it an already cost-correct weapon skill is a better solution.

>>180969319
Everyone waiting for the update, not to mention DF got too easy with the last couple of updates

>>180958353
>you lick the cheetah leather loincloth
This is where I lost it.

>>180972394
People who are using shields but aren't using misc objects aren't really going to invest in it no matter how cheap it is to help with bashes, and people using misc objects and shields could do with the help if previous tournaments are anything to go by. Maybe it'll help make more unique fighters too.

>>180969247
Will the fighting start on monday-sunday?

>Kea invasion during a project
>they finally fuck off
>the next group of animals to move onto the map are macaques
>then keas after those
Fuck this, why should sub-dog sized animals cause construction suspensions

>>180973147
What help? I'm arguing against giving pick users unintended additional benefits when the whole premise of the cost change is that they're too strong. Nothing that's been proposed will give anyone else any benefits at all.

>>180973475
Mebbe?

did they buff production of food/wine in the last few years?

i'm sitting on 80 dwarves and only a simple 3x8 farm plot and some fishing is enough to satistfy all of their food/drink needs

>>180978091
3x8???
I got the same amount of dwarves and 3x3produces way more than i need

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>>180946189
Dunno if your still here, tourneyanon, but I have to ask:

How many points would a Harp Seal Person get?

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>>180969247
Made a dumb math mistake. Fixed it.
I'd like to submit a fighter, if there's no problems with it.

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The first guy that fell down here got out no problem, how come these swam like an ingot?

>>180980679
>Urist Uriston Uristovich Son of Urist

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>>180981008
They were starting to stink, so I gave them a burial.

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>>180983091
The floodgate came off.

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>>180983306
The duchess is about to be engulfed by fire.

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>>180983480
I really need to start planning better.

so i managed to cull the werebeast infected dwarves, with the exception of a single dwarf that i walled in. what to do with this guy?

i could just leave him there since he won't starve to death

is it possible to drown him?

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>>180969247
I've got a champion I'd like to submit. I'm kind of guessing on the allowed point total, based on gorillas being roughly halfway between a human and a minotaur.

I fully expect this thing to get crushed in the first round.

>>180983882
I have a werebeast mayor. I just leave him locked in there.

>>180983882
Two words:
Lever operator.

>>180978696
Not Tourneyanon, and no clue, there's something based on size you can use as I recall?

>>180985087
>>180984565

werebeasts have no place within civilized dwarven society and i have no access to magma atm.

CAN I DROWN HIM

i dont want to bother setting up the process if it isnt going to work

>>180986685
Just like collapse some floor on him.

>>180960298
Why the fuck would I want a skeleton cup, the PlumpZ is just going to fall fro the holes.

>>180987948
>Carry delicious PlumpZ into battle in my Skeleton Cup
>enemy Goblin Potter Necromancer reanimates it
>the shuddering skull spills all my PlumpZ
they didn't think this through

I've got a giant grizzly bear problem, and I don't have any armor or weapons. What can I do? Keep chasing it away until I have time to set cage traps in front of my food stockpile?

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i am completly new and a trader asks what I want from him. any tips what I should get? thought about weapons but actually I have a militia in full iron equipment

I've tried 3 evil biomes and not one was re-animating. Is re-animation a rare feature? I thought all evil biomes had it.

>>180988974

ask for what you want?

>>180988974
If you're new, you probably want things like thread, ropes, bags, cloth and leather. You can make all that stuff yourself quite easily, but you should focused on figuring out one or two industries at a time while you're learning.

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>>180969247
'aight, here's my entry.
I half expect him to get beaten up almost instantly, but eh.

>>180989982
>magma men feel no emotion or exertion, are immune to pain and cannot be stunned
I don't think you're going to get full points.

>>180990241
I am willing to edit it if that's the case.

>>180990334
I'm sure tourneyanon will do some testing, but if they're made out of obsidian as well that's another huge advantage. It's an interesting idea though, I hardly see them anymore in Fort Mode.

>>180990505
I kinda wanted to make a slightly gimmicky character based around punching things, but also wanted to use a creature that A) would at least be balanced enough that they wouldn't steamroll everything and B) would be unique enough to have its own charm. I just kinda went off of the normal base point limit for humans, since magma men are the exact same height as them.

>>180990812
I'm not having a go at your choice. It's just I'm sure you can imagine a Human would probably never defeat a Magma Man with exactly the same skill spread.

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>>180990928
I know, it's alright.
Sorry if I came off a bit defensive about it.

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>>180991250
Yeah, your boy Lava Lad just took 10 equally skilled Humans in a row. He has some major wounds but no pain, no exertion is keeping him going.

>A VILE FORCE OF DARKNESS HAS ARRIVED!
>see goblins
>give station orders, unpause for a second, check again
>no goblins anywhere
>no [SIEGE]
What the fuck?

>>180991774
Huh.
Well, I suppose I could weaken his striking skill to around Adequate and remove the gauntlets.

>>180991920
I've had a lot of that recently, I wonder if it's coincidental pathing through your fortress and they enter and leave straight away.

>>180991920
That's a thing that's older than Boatmurdered, not that I know why. They took one look at your fort and decided it wasn't worth it.

>>180992516
I'm not too good with Arena, but Tourneyanon will hopefully come up with a points tweak so you can keep your idea.

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>>180992681
Hopefully so.
I do want my guy to be as balanced as possible while still keeping to his gimmick, so hopefully a few nerfs/tweaks will do just that.
Thanks for testing him out btw.

>>180983882
Have them train and craft in their own private sealed off fort. Can make them book keeper and manager too. Congrats, your fort is unsinkable

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>>180992518
>>180992540
Well I'm pretty pissed now.
In 5 and a half fucking years I've only had ONE goblin siege that had more than 10 goblins in it.
I want more, Toady. Why'd you fuck with sieges so hard, Toady.

>>180992886
It's not totally hopeless, Lava Lad without skills completely jobbed to a generic human with a sword. So there'll be some compromise you can make. Hopefully we'll see him in the arena soon!

>>180902915
I usually nickname all of my original 30 dwarves and have any new migrants set to hauling duty or military duty. Occasionally keeping an eye out for good broker skills in a migrant wave.
I am painfully new to df so don't take my word for it.

>>180991920
>>180992518
It's a bug.

>>180993063
You can still get really big sieges this patch, you just have to embark somewhere nearer goblin civs.

>>180995537
I did.
There's 2 squares of tundra separating me from a gigantic goblin empire.

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>>180995609
Works on my machine :^) I know it's not consistent, but hope for the best. In other news, what causes this?

>>180993063
He's made the game easier with the last few releases.

>>180906376
if the axes are being used by woodcutters then military dwarves won't use them iirc

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>Hydra enters map
>can't get everyone inside in time to gather military
>sacrifice one soldier who was on the far end of the map anyway so I can sort everything out
>he kills it himself without injury
I'm not sure if Hydras are too weak, Spears are too good or Observer has an actual impact on combat.

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>>180998580
For good measure.

>embark in haunted glacier
>forgot to bring any wood
Haha.
Oh.
This should be good.

>>180999425
break wagon
dig quickly

one of my dwerfs is praying in pink letters with a "!" at the end. what is the game trying to tell me? Why can't he pray in green like everybody else

>>181000213
It means he needed to pray real bad.

>>181000213
It's a higher priority need, that they haven't done it in a long time. Green needs will be cancelled for jobs, I don't think pink ones are.

>>181000213
That means he's an infidel anon

You know what to do with infidels

>>180998580
>>180998828
Hydras can attack as many times as they have heads, meaning it will absolutely tear apart anyone it doesent miss 100% of its attacks on. Your lad got super lucky and managed to get the first strike in, weakening the beast so that it never got a chance to bite at him due to its wounds.

>>180995938

being a nihilist i would guess

>legendary carpenter is on the edge of the map right as the siege arrives
RIP

>>180995938
Persistent dissociation and/or derealization following childhood sexual abuse, most likely.

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>>180995938
>>180995609
This is because I was being mean, surely.

How do you get military dwarfs to spend more time training? They are all off doing other jobs

>>181003714
Increase the mandatory number of training squad members and turn off their labors.

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Man why do people even play other games?

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>>181004109
/blogposting

>>181003714
Scheduling them for more months on is always good too.

>>181005073
>>181003769
I set the alert to active/training and they seem to be training full time now.

>>181004363
Time to start cleaning up anon. Those troll corpses are going to start attracting rats.

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>>181005297
Shame we can't set fires to burn this down. I don't even know what I'm supposed to do if a necromancer comes.

>>181005297
they're also going to repel merchants

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>>181005808
>>181005297
Maybe a nice bath for the countryside will help.

You know when you channel a room down from the surface and build a roof over it, it stays marked as light forever?
What happens if you do that on an evil biome? Does evil fog clip in?

>>181005437
I'd imagine fire would get more fleshed out when lighting becomes a thing (if it ever will). Im not against all of my dwarves having perfect nightvision but it would be pretty interesting if you had to set up/carry around torches for your dwarves to see in the caves and keep wildlife at bay.

>>181006339
It'll be great when it ties into sieges with non-fireproof constructions as well.

Is there any profitable use for ghosts?

>>181007449
>>180931081
>>180934369
>>180934852
>>180935086
>>180936603
Masterwork bait for Anonymous.

>>181007449
They used to throw parties I guess.

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>>181003035
Today we carve in Hell!

>>180989982
How many points will a Rhinocerous man be allowed to start with exactly?

>>180909919
May we have cloth added to the equipment materials?
Not sure of the impact it would have if people chose it, likely minimal, but I heard someone say that silk was decent for defending against slashes.

>>181008337
oops, meant for >>180969247

>>180934985
Once Toady works on antagonist goals/civ variation shit you'll see gobbos doing their own thing and demons acting on goals based on their spheres and shit.

>>180934985
it's place holder goblin lore.

it implies that gobbos are servants of the demons, or perhaps some kind of lesser demons.

if I replace the natural clay floors with some constucted ones, will my dorfs like the room better?

>Axedwarf is set on fire by a fire imp
>Survives somehow with no scars but severe blood loss
>After being brought to hospital immediately gets up and goes back to training

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Guys I want a dwarf fort t-shirt what is some good art that I can order to print on a tee? no bully please

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>>181012103

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>>180969518
Added to the doc

>>180971096
>>180971531
Ah, sorry for the ambiguous wording. The second guy is right, if you have a pick, then the points required for leveling up misc skill user are the same as an axe/whip. For every other kind of misc weapon, the points remain the same.

>>180972196
Due to the fact that picks only have the dangerous edge attack, and that the ai will sometimes use the weak strikes (pommel, slap etc) on the other regular weapons, I feel like they need to be made more expensive right off the bat.

>>180973475
The fighting begins monday yes. Once I have all the gladiators organised I'll decide who fights who by putting them through an online bracket generator. Over the week I'll play the fights out, record them, paste the combat log together and write a commentary, so when monday arrives I'll just be able to post them, with about an hours break between each fight.

>>180978696
Harp seal men have a size of 117,500, so about halfway between human and minotaur. I'll allow them 190 points to spend.

>>180980679
Ok, no worries.

>>180984017
There are no gorilla men, are you just submitting a plain old gorilla? Can they even use crossbows?
>Checks arena mode
>Gorilla fucking headshots the poor human I pitted him against
Well I'll be damned.

>>180989982
Cool concept, but your boy is definitely being tweaked. I'm going to remove the [nostun] and [noexert] tags from your guy. The obsidian crust itself is actually quite weak, and breaks off pretty easily under blows so I'll leave the [nopain] tag as a countermeasure to the brittleness, and allow you the full points of a human. Based on the tests it seems to be pretty balanced.

>>181008391
Cloth has no base modifier value, only the initial cost of the item. For shirts/trousers the cost is 10, for bigger things like robes that cover more, the price is the same as a cloak. I suppose I should add that in.

>>181008417
Rhino men are fugging huge, 1,535,000, so you'll only get 50 points.

>>180990241
You're right about that, but I like the uniqueness of his character and the fact he went for an optimised (fist fighter) character, so I'm inclined to be a bit more lenient.

>>180984017
Actually, thinking more on it, I might lower the points of your gorilla man to 180, seeing as the harp seal guy would be a bit smaller and have the same points. I know you're concerned about your fighters chances but he's actually a very legitimate threat based on my tests

>>181013750
uh, I meant unoptimised. Seeing as hand to hand combat characters often die early.

>>180986685
Yeah. Flooded my hospital when I had a wereape outbreak.

How does the point system and point allocation work for the Tourney?

>>181014632
Check the google doc

>>181014441

ended up giving up the fort. somehow the fucker climbed over the wall i made, turned, and infected like 5 others before he was put down

>>180909919
I participated in the first tourney and then took a break from this general, has there been a second at some point or is this the second tourney to come out of here? Just wondering if I missed any.

>>181013750
No you're right for being lenient for an interesting design. The fact that it's unarmed Magma Man too is good. More variety the better.

>>181015130
oh its in the name, lol. disregard.

so how much points does mining cost? i wanna make a wageslave antman whose virgin rage forced him to go battle in the arenas, but I don't see that skill in the docs.
I'm assuming that mining skill is what determines your profiency in using a pick as a weapon?

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>>181012959
Bleh, can't work around picks like that so here's the alternate build I was looking at.

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Here's Steve the wageslave. I gave him the same points as kobold based off size and decided on misc object user as the pick skill, hoping that it will actually help it. if not, I'd rather have mining skill, so if anyone knows the cost of that, please tell me.
If tourneyanons whishes to change the points or whatever, then I'll adjust his skills to his wishes.

>>181017594
this guy will probably die soon, but he will get fans

>>181018003
you underestimate his lust for smelly feet.

So if this will be the third tourney, then I missed the second one. I see that there is some fanart of the second tourney, but does someone happen to have all the gifs, battle logs and descriptions of the second tourney? Would be interested in reading those. I do fortunately have the first tourney files all still with me.

>>181018045
>smelly feet.
waitaminute.jpg
is steve supposed to be related to SAF?
fucking hell Im dumb

Was randomly made the capital of my civ out of the blue. The queen has fuck all for skills. What do? Should I expect a gobbo army soon?

>>181014632
It's all laid out in the google doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xaf7ze5dgC1L4h7Y8flaG6meHZtqiuVj7dojwvQx1yc/edit#gid=1311675782

>>181015130
>>181015189
Heh, actualy you're right this is the third tourney. I forgot to update the actual name of the doc. I hosted the last tourney some 5 months ago.

>>181017372
Added to the doc

>>181017594
Picks have been modded to use the misc skill, because mining isn't actually a skill in the arena. However, to compensate for their strengths as a weapon, they cost the same as an axe/whip, so double the skill cost. If you want to be skilled in your misc user, you'll have to invest 60 points.
You also made me realise I made a mistake, cloth should be at a x0.25 modifier, because it's weaker than leather in terms of protection, but is still better than being naked. So for your shirt+pants you should have 2.5+2.5 = 5 points. I fixed the doc and made it clearer.

>>181018130
I've got the combat logs and gifs all saved in a folder, but if you want the commentary, you could check out the archives: https://yuki.la/vg/168813875

All the results are there over the next few threads.

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>>181018159
his origin is not known, perhaps SAF is his queen.
noticed that workers actually have 4 arms and are female, so Steve will actually be a transvestite, don't misgender gim you cis shits.

>>181018331
Put the queen in a military squad, she'll either become a good fighter or die.

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>>181012959
Bit of a late reply (had to go sleep) but I'm fine with those tweaks. Nostun and Noexert would've definitely been a bit too powerful.

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>>181018406
Okay, I adjusted the skills and equipment for steve.
So hopefully this is the final version: a trans, feet fetishist wageslave whose only wish is to sniff her queens feet.

>>181018697
Glad to hear it

>>181018945
Added to the doc, you absolute degenerate.

Also I'm loving the little portraits everyone's making for their gladiators.

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>tfw you go through your old DF screenshots and find the time you killed a roc by slashing a tendon and it fell 1 z-level and died due smashing its head into the ground

took me ages to haul that body to the butchery.

>>181019469
Can't you make Rocs fully tame though? Why kill it?

>>181019895

And miss out on all that meat?

So did any major changes happen in rules after the first tourney? I'm interested in knowing is some sort of gambling would or could be made, for example betting with your leftover points to earn more of them in the next round. THe rates could of course be by how many bet on who, so if 9 bet on the loser and 1 bets on the winner, the 1 better gets a better rate of course.

>>181020043
You can come across meat much more often than Roc

how to turn pools into ground so i can build walls on it?

>>181020329
you oculd drain it and fill it with walls or build a floor over it, I really hope toady adds the ability to move dirt around to the game.

>>181020405
but i can't build walls on top of a floor iirc

What do I do if I can't find any adamantium?

>>180942160
Hold him in this prison or transfer to another, trow dangerous creatures there, like invading goblins and he either die or kills them so you win anyway.

>>180941402
Reclaim for destroyed by Demons.

>>181020606
Steel is fine.

>>181020606
From memory if you take a 3x3 embark you're guaranteed at least a partial vein. So look harder or take a larger embark next time. The only real use for adamantine is to make it easier to go toe to toe with hell rather than using a variety of cheese, you can still work on dorf projects without it.

>>181021095
Being haunted by dead parents is still better than seeing them rot.

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well this got obnoxious real fast

as far as I can tell, the extract doesn't even do anything unless I'm missing something

>>181020060
Whenever people made bets in the past, they'd just shout whatever and pay by posting an image of whatever they'd wagered. What did you have in mind?

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>>181019161
Since you've talked about team rounds and such, how do you feel about entering a duo?

Like, a human and a giant wolf:
The human dies, the wolf is out of the tourney.
The wolf dies, the human has to go through the rest of the tourney alone, assuming he survives the fight.

Kinda wanted to give the dude in pic related a second chance

>>181021596
The managers could wager their leftover points, and the pool of points in any given match distributed between the winning better to use on their own gladiators. It'd be a hastle to keep up though, so not really expecting it to happen. Just a thought.

>>181021719
Cool idea, but sounds real hard to balance.

How does tourneyanon feel about exchanging some attributes to points? I'm trying to make a character and am missing 2 points to make it and I would be willing to exchange an arm, eyes or some attribute to get the points.

>>181021719
Hold up is that Europe?

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>>181024021
too small

>>181024021
Sorta. I was messing around with perfectworld (I think that's the name) and NASA heightmaps, but for whatever reason there was an heigh level missing so it was alwayhs like those maps showing what the world would look like if the ice caps melt.
I mean, look at Denmark and the Netherlands

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>>181013750
Alright, 180 points. The point costs for boots and gloves and such covers a PAIR, right? In that case, I think this should be good.

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>>181012103
How about this?

>>181024953
Im actually rooting for the gorilla, so I'll give a friendly advice
Tests from the forums found out that archer does almost nothing for shotting stuff, even at legendary levels
you're best investing in crosbowman skill desu, or some more dodging maybe

>>181024953
Yeah the boots/gloves are paired

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Can someone tell me why the hell wagons keep imploding when arriving to the trade depot? Can it be because of the second depot, even though it's inaccessible?
A few wagons arrived just fine, one stopped one tile form the center of the depot and then deconstructed.

>>181027006
I'm not qualified to answer your question, but that bridge security system is top-notch. Totally gonna steal it.

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>>181025794
Ah, if that's the case, I'll change it to this. Thanks for the hot tip.

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>>181012103

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Its a masons workshop.
Place your bets, hes only using 1 piece of dolomite for some reason.

>>181028709
door

>>181028709
Mug.

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>>181028912
>>181028913
Hey, thats pretty grate

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>>181019161
Reporting for duty!

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>>181027006
Wagons can't handle so many tight-knit turns without fucking imploding.

is engraving worth it?

>>181030084
Engraving is just bad design.
It adds RIDICULOUS value to a room, but it has the shitty restriction of not allowing constructed walls/floors which means fuck you no good bedrooms for your aboveground barracks and you better not make a single mistake when designating your deep underground bedrooms.
Engraving is the single reason why dorfs are ecstatic with 1x3 rooms.

>>181030643
dorfs don't deserve to be that happy

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I finally got started on my Ville Contemporaine fort.

I had to find a region with a completely flat 3x3 area, which I also did. I can only build 15 tiles high on this embark, but it should be enough.

>>181031016
How many dorfs do you intend to house?

>>181028071
I really like this does anyone have the image on the shirt as a good quality pic?

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>>181031996
only 60 in the beginning. then I increase it when I'm nearing completion.

I imagine most rooms will be empty.

>>181027473
yer welcome

>>181028071
desu, its quite bad, too cartoony aesthetics

>>181032335
As glad as I am that Dwarf Fortress is so complex that the game can only handle a few dozen or so characters, I really wish it were possible to have a fort of hundreds of dwarves without the FPS dipping into the negatives

>>181029541
rly nigga?

>>181032964
time friend, give the toad enough time and he'll make our dreams true

lots of campy characters in this tourney

>>181033574
the hell does campy even mean

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>>181033574
That's what makes it so fun.

>>181033742
Overly exaggerated/silly.
Basically every contender has some weird quirks that make them stand out, and thats what makes them so camp.

>>181029541
IN DA FWESH

>>181022981
can you even remove limbs in the raws? I got it working with the points I've got, but now I want to amputate one arm from my gladiator just for the novelty of it.

>>181029608
Not knowing the answer isn't a good reason to make shit up.

>>181034691
No. You can make a new body plan with only one arm if you want, but then every creature of that species (or caste) would only have one arm.

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>>181019161
Absolutely shameless plug for my favorite Dark Souls character, had so much fun invading people with this digger.
Lots of dodge obviously because that's DaS PvP.
Absolutely expecting to get immediately demolished.

"A man of deep debt and hard work who owes his soul to the mining company that sent him here to die for show."

>>181036023
>>181018406
>Picks have been modded to use the misc skill, because mining isn't actually a skill in the arena. However, to compensate for their strengths as a weapon, they cost the same as an axe/whip, so double the skill cost.

>>181035410
You can literally see it happening in the screenshot though.
Wagons suck at turning like that, they clip into eachother.

>>181036137
According to the spreadsheet, competent axeman costs 36, so competent digger should be 36 right?

>>181036314
Sure, but it does nothing since digger isn't a weapon skill. Picks are going to use misc object at double cost.

>>181036023
>that description
>sixteen tons isn't his theme song even though it fits perfectly
Anon come on now.

>>181036464
Competent misc object user at double cost then.

>>181036198
>Wagons suck at turning like that
It's the only way wagons can turn. They literally only make 90° and 180° turns. So unless you mean "wagons suck at turning at all", and are suggesting that all depot paths consist of a single straight 3-wide path from map edge to depot, you're full of shit.