/kfg/ - Killing Floor General

>>180669291
M32 + more 40mm rounds that only load into a slower gun is redundant and unsatisfying. Better for M32 to just have a bounty of ammo for itself, while being too heavy to go with the other 40mms onperk.

>>180670586
Oh come on. Let's be fair anon. Survivalist has at least one thing going for it.

They can actually do the current weekly challenge.

>>180671245
Even fucking Demo can do it because of the M16

>>180671520
Yeah, but not firebug. For once firebug is actually getting shat on.

>>180671520
And direct RPG hits to the face is actually one of the quickest ways to kill Scrakes in the game.

>>180671520
M16 gets only reload benefits from demo. If that's your focus more than the M203 as demo, you might as well use an offperk weapon, and you might as well say everyone can do the weekly by just grabbing offperks.

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what's your favorite zed? mine is the clot, he's pale, bald and angry just like me

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>>180672243
I think the design of the gorefiend is actually really cool

>>180672651
Anon, be honest. Do you own a fidget spinner?

>>180672879
Multiple anon

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>>180672243
Siren, I love it when she sings.

Is it just me or is monkey scrake a pain in the dick to headshot

>other Zerk steals my Bone Crusher after I die
>won't give it back even after I harass him to the whole next wave
>throws me all his money after, but still won't give it back
>give all his money to everyone else, then leave
Yeah asshole, your 1100 dosh'll totally re-buy my tier 4 weapon. Why do people do this shit.

>>180674682
spite

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>go for muh headshot challenge
>team is 2 level 4s who can't aim for shit, a demo, and a firebug

>>180675557
Why you idiots don't do this shit solo?

THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FUCKING BUFFED
>M16
Need more ammo reserve. Need more nades. Currently suck for both Demo and Commando. And no giving more nades would not make it OP since Commando still cannot do shit against FP and Demo is better off with M79 which is cheaper and does the job better with larger damage and explosion radius
>M4 Shotgun
Reduce weight to 6 so we can carry M4 with AA12/DBS as level 25 Support. Do it you mongoloid nigger at TWI
>Crossbow
lower weight to 4. fix the stun you fucking nigger. I don't care if it is "an intended feature"
>Microwave Gun
nigger why my tier 4 gun is absolutely shit against trash zed. The gun is not even that good against big zeds and garbage against trash
>Scar
still some moar damage
>Stoner
bigger mag you fucking nigger

But considered this is fucking Tripwire, nothing gonna change

>>180671681
Sounds like I got something to try when I get home from work. Always did like the trench gun and flares.

>>180672243
Calm down there Happy Gilmore.

Huh, apparently the crossfire does more damage than literally any other gunslinger weapon, while also having 5 weight, getting good mileage out of fast reloads and actually having a sight.
What are the odds of this getting removed as a cross perk weapon in under a week?

>>180675557
Just do it solo, grind to last wave on whatever perk, switch to sharpshooter, 2 crossfire headshots + 1 railgun headshot, well done you won the challenge.

>>180676223
What M203 needs is grenades with a decent radius. So it can actually feel like an explosive weapon, instead of an explosive themed weapon that you mostly need to get direct hits with.

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>>180676549
>crossfire
that could be cool

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>>180676549
>>180677371
Crossfire? Tripwire adding more Nerf guns to the game again?

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I really wanted Martial Artist so I could get a bow + arrow set.

>>180677371
If horzine modded the rifle part to not be just a pump .223.

kyle, I know you're in here. Go fuck yourself.

>>180675791
My thoughts exactly.

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>>180678036
Why'd you post a picture of the crossbow anon?

>>180677197
M16-M203 grenade should have the same explosion radius as M79. Right now it is just fucking shitty

>>180679226
>husk about to shoot you
>shoot him first
>he's stunned, with the arrow sticking out of his eye
>one second later, his head blows up, because without martial artist, the bow was instead made a demo/sharp crossperk with explosive tips that actually do head damage since they go off inside the head

>>180680723
>explosive tips that actually do head damage since they go off inside the head
http://kf-wiki.com/wiki/Seal_Squeal_Harpoon_Bomber

>>180680190
suck my dick ryan

I kinda want the regular zeds back on any maps that aren't Tragic Kingdom. This mystery gorefiend/gorefast meme is getting old.

ohai this thread is back alive

what's new?

>>180681684
I know what you're thinking. Does he have six swords, or only five?

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>Kunai as knife
>Smoke bomb that confuses enemies and makes them walk around in circles, smoke is see through for allies OR caltrops that he throws in large area in front of him that forces zeds to walk slowly ala KF, no wiggle waggling here
>Little ninja claws as starting weapon, they do extra damage if you hit enemies from behind
>A blowgun that has poison darts or explosive darts depending on perk for range support
>A kodachi that lets you move faster when using it, trading off damage for speed
>The classic Katana
>Fuck if I know how it'd work, but some pic related would be a dream weapon for the class

>>180682318
>they do extra damage if you hit enemies from behind

>on a horde shooter, a genre about shooting things running straight at you

>>180682318
>a kunai and chain to reel zeds in, and stun them in the process
>or you can zip around the map with it for quick escapes

>>180676549
why is it (and by extension the lever rifle) cross perk anyhow, marksman is precision and was sorely lacking in sidearms, so the single .500 fits, but gunslinger is dual pistols so why give it a rifle?

>>180684150
Presumably so you could actually use the lever actions since you get both skull cracker and elite reload.
Nah it's actually because gunslinger is the only other "sharpshooter" class, in that he really needs to aim for heads to make it worth it, well thats the logic anyway

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well that ugly ass skin wasn't worth the trouble but at least I have it
anyone got a shot of the first one, I missed it

>>180684923
>anyone got a shot of the first one
If you play online you'll see people with it all the time. It's the "explosions out the ears" cosmetic.

>>180684150
>>180684440
It's to fit the cowboy theme. Revolvers, lever-actions and a Bowie knife.

>>180680190
What did I do anon?

>>180685062
oh you mean that glowing headphone thing? alright I guess I'll live

Is this game dead?

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If you guys don't mind I would greatly appreciate any responses to this survey I created

https://goo.
gl/forms/
GSmzyySVcd0UZhEX2

The guys at /kfg/ would like to bring you a brand new map with a significant amount of effort put into this one to make it really stand out. But first we need to narrow down things like the theme and setting of the map to make sure the direction is more focused.

I've left some options open for your own suggestions for map settings. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

If you want to get in on the process of contributing to our map project feel free to join the /kfg/ discord featuring losers who have been here since 2015.

/kfg/ has a critically acclaimed map making history and is responsible for bringing hit maps such as Matt Zaneski's: Nuked, KF-Garage, the map nobody plays any more and KF-Antarctic, the map that actually did generator mechanics properly.

>>180683558
So you give it a skill or passive ability similar to a commandos stalker vision, only the MA skill makes it less likely to be targeted by zeds. Give it a perk that makes it all but invisible to zeds, save for one zed that can make you visible to the rest, the husk and bloat for instance. It might help if I mention that when I think of the MA perk, I think of a true support perk. A perk that debuffs enemies via speed, or applies poisons that slow and damage over time, its main focus isn't to tank zeds like the zerk, but to help the team by controlling the crowds. It's nice to imagine and anyways, it helps dull the pain of disappointment from survivashitter.
>>180683569
I though about that, but couldn't think of whether it be a weapon or a tool. I like your idea if only because it'd be a great way to stop those fidget spinner looking motherfuckers from killing a teammate.

>>180687089
kys

Has anyone asked TWI when we're getting full modding back? They originally said after release.

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>>180687604
Shut the fuck up kid

You don't have any proof we said that

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>not one but three max level supports in my game
Is there a better feeling?

>>180687604
I don't think it'll come back anon, might cut into crate profits.

>>180688140
Well, yoshiro did in a thread about it.

>>180670352
Why am I reminded of Droopy?

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>Play one wave of a game and die
>No drop
>Play a full game
>No drop
>Play a second full game
>Emote Crate

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Explosive Harpoon Launcher for Demo and Zerk when?

I fucking hate fighting Gorefiends as a Zerk so much.
>catches me in a corner
>blocks all my attacks
>spin ignores my parry
Every encounter with them is just watching as they -80% all my attacks and never lower they're fucking guard unless it's to do their fucking insta-kill 14 minute long spin while I'm trapped in a corner completely unable to do anything because they're blocking everything, as if their 400/150 health wasn't enough already.

Anyone else been having your guy randomly look in a different different direction after swapping weapons? I've had this happen repeatedly now, and the last time ended up up killing me in a clutch moment.

>HoE Crawlers rush me while playing demo
>Too close for a direct hit
>Fire a nade off to the side of them to kill them
>Bounces off a Stalkers skull
>Crawlers are now halfway through my armor
thanks

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>it's a cheeky demo puts all his C4 on the patriarch episode
patty never even got to heal

>>180672243
Stalker, she makes my dick bigger when I pull it.

>>180693381
It's definitely a thrill to get them planted before he kills someone, that's for sure.

>>180672243
definitely husk even though they are trash

>>180694198
Mmmhmmm

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>>180687089
Probably going to end up sperging out, but I wanted to sell my idea.

My map idea is a Gloomy/Forlorn War Torn City, ideally designed as a shoutout to the C&C Tiberian Sun Universe. However, I want the selling point to be Randomly Generated and Evolving Environmental Hazards.

The official map setting/explanation can be a city where Horzine had a lab experimenting with alternative energy using crystals, and things went wrong.The area is now a living minefield with volatile crystals growing in every nook and cranny of the city.

Gameplay wise, the crystals would randomly spawn at choke/holdout points around the map, like ammo crates. It rewards careful kiting and moving around the map, but doesn't punish for camping. The purpose of the crystals would be to give players in a pinch an extra edge/fighting chance. About as helpful as that extra nade or magazine you didn't have, but more reliable than that ammo crate you couldn't find but needed.

In regards to the crystals changing over time. Imagine that the crystals are initially green, shooting or hitting them at that stage would cause them to shatter and emit radiation. The effect would be similar to crawler gas, slightly damaging player and zed alike, obscuring vision, BUT also instantly panic all zeds, even raging ones (like nuke).

Leave them alone for awhile, they grow into blue crystals. Shattering these has a 50/50 chance of either EMPing (derage big zeds temporarily or panic) or freezing zeds. Lower chance for self inflicted harm and generally more helpful crowd control wise.

Leave the blue crystals alone long enough, they grow into their final stage, red crystals with the damage of 1 or 2 TNTs plus knockdown or stun. Higher risk of killing yourself, higher reward of quickly dealing with a group of big zeds that are causing a wipe.

The basic idea is to create environmental hazards that act as a mix and match of different perk grenades. Helpful but not too OP.

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>>180696025
>crystals growing
eghh not feeling it
some good ol' red gasoline barrels and liquid nitrogen tanks for me, please

So is the m4 useless? the decreased weight in the last update doesn't really fix its problem of being power creeped by the dp12 and the cheap and powerful DBS

>>180698523
reloads quick as shit, has extremely high damage per shot, and a spread tighter than ur mums cunt

I like using it but ymmv

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have another shitty webm

>>180698523
It's good, but AA12+Boomstick is irresistible.
Only way for M4 to stop getting overlooked is for it to become outright overpowered, or weigh 6, allowing AA12+M4+Boomstick. If it gets lightened to 6, it may be a bit too strong, and need some of the buffs over the years revoked.
>>180698880
>spread tighter than ur mums cunt
same as sg500/aa12

I still haven't played 2 since it came out. Has it gotten better? suffered from lag from a shit laptop.

If not I'll got back to playing in the igc server on kf1.

>>180700927
i'd say the game is 80% complete right now

if they add the matriarch and either add self detonating c4 or the 6 shell grenade launcher, then i think the game will finally be better than kf1

>>180700108
I like the M4 because it's pretty.

>>180701175
>6 shell nade launcher
m32
honestly I think they need more than a few demo tweaks to beat kf1 but yeah, at least it's better than "early access" release

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Hello I'm here to be curious about things
http://www.strawpoll.me/13278960

>>180688342
three max level supports using mic

check mate

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I want to be separated from my team, ambushed by a group of stalkers, and forcefully group hugged until all my problems go away

>>180701252
It was prettier when the sight's clear space didn't glow white when in the dark.

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Why is zerk so god damn fun? Just grab the kitanana, fund the medic's rifle if there is one, then grab the evis for easy big boy buster, or grab the shield and mace and slap shit around before smashing it into millions of tiny fucking pieces!

>>180702592
I want to see of line of stalkers with callout and execute them with a burst from my ak!

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>>180702592
>weld integrity 5%
>[taunt zeds]

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>>180706759
I wish pulverizer still hogged the glory.

>>180707701
Back when te pulverizer zerker gods could clutch to save the game by beating a 6man wave by himself after his team wiped.

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>nam skins
>wooden stock on the m16
for what purpose

>>180707701
Mexicans are crazy fuckers, but I never did care for the pulverizer desu, it just knocked zeds around and you had to hit them several times to kill it seemed, then again being lower level maybe made it seem that way too. Ironically enough the shield/mace knocks zeds around too, but that fucking bash that turns zeds into a red mist is the tits.

>>180709359
The pulverizer kills trash about as well as the zwei, but unless you crush their heads you don't get any sort of gore as an indication that they've been killed. Would be cool if models could show bludgeoning wounds like compound fractures and deformed body parts.

>>180701313
Who's the dude who's 31+

Why are you here? Tell me about yourself.

>>180709735
That's practically redoing half as much work as the current gore system for a single weapon, it's never going to be a thing.

>>180710039
I mean depends on how in depth they do it
could retool the microwave gun puffing to look like a bloody bruise and parent some jutting bone models to the zed's models, or a simple "injured" movement animation
it's a pipe dream for sure but not that much a pipe dream

>>180710671
I appreciate the idea, and locational damage should ultimately be more focused on in games.

But this is fucking Tripwire! The holiday Siren has a fucking metal torso still. They would see this as "having to redo work they already did" and they won't fucking do that to save their lives. Look at how many weapons still don't have centered sights.

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>>180710979
>but this is tripwire
that it is

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>>180711279
I... kinda wonder if I'm being stubborn by trying to play a game that I increasingly feel is supported by developers I disagree with. There are other games out there. Fuck, not even games. There are other things I could be doing.

Anon, I played fucking Warframe for over 1,000 hours. You know what I learned from that? If the developer isn't in tune with your personal frequency of fun autism then you leave them and go be free. Find a new game, a new hobby. It hurts for like, a few days, max. You get the occasional urge to play again, but that's it. Hey, maybe after 6 months the "new" content won't seem so shitty.

Go sailing Anons.

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>LMG can only get 113 rounds tops
Why even bother?

>>180711827
75 * 2.5 = 187.5

How is 2 now?

Is tactician better than machine gunner for commando? They both feel so useless as a level 25 skill desu.

>>180712258
Tactician>Machine Gunner unless you need to solo carry.

>>180711827
Why would you say something so obviously wrong?

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>infinite ammo zed time perk on slinger
>demo pistol is a slinger gun now
AHAHAHA HOLY SHIT
I'm kinda glad I came back for this

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>>180712750
>HX25 without the Nukes
what's the point

>>180712447
Maybe it's because I don't use quick reload, but tact seems pretty pointless. Also, just got kicked from a game on prison. 24 medic and 25 support. They decide they want to camp upstairs in tight cramped conditions and I say fuck that, and head off on my own. Support dies to a gorefast and they initiate a kick on me. Jokes on them if they come looking for my scar, I tossed that bitch out of bounds.

>>180712447
Macine gunner makes it easier to extend zed-time off something sturdier like a siren or a gorefiend.

How do you get those golden tickets, are they droppable like the other ones but just much rarer?

>>180714621
Pretty much. I think it was 4 or 5 threads ago some anon posted a golden ticket, not sure if he got a golden canon helmet or something else.

>>180716183
Do you need 5 golden tickets to make an item?

>>180716507
you need just 1

>>180716507
Only 1.

>>180712750
webm now

Are the drops in KF2 stil limited to one per day? It's pretty annoying if so because I'm getting crate drops almost every time.

>>180716940
With the event going it's 1 every 4 hours.

>it's that one guy thinks he's hot shit just because he has the most kills episode

maybe it's just my stupidity for playing Normal difficulty pubs but holy shit I am sick of the people not healing anyone. Especially in a 4 zerker team that is hunkering down in the barn before they inevitably get swarmed by Scrakes and Sirens

>>180719240
>it's that one guy gets jealous of the firebug who has the most skills so he buys a Spitfire and discreetly tries to rage the Scrakes and FPs to blame the firebug episode

>>180720446
I mean you answered your own complaint
>normal
Playing medic or looking out for anyone but yourself is so pointless there, on the offchance that someone does take damage its like 2hp so nobody bothers with medic or paying attention to whats going on.

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>>180719240
>know that killing the most trash doesn't necessarily mean you are the most useful
>still feel disappointed with myself if I don't get the most kills as a trash killing perk

So what talents do you pick as firebug nowadays?

>>180721886
LRLLL no matter what

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>when you headshot 5 stalkers in a row without any misses without any commandos around to spot them

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>>180719240
>tfw you get most headshots on SWAT

>>180721886
>>180722351
I prefer LRRRL, though I see the merit in Heat Wave.

>>180723976
this is me, feels good man

>It's a retard with the least points gets to play as Patriarch and dies before he can heal episode
Why do I even bother playing Versus?

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>>180724221
>it's that one anon that plays versus episode

>It's a firebug ruining the experience for the ZED team completely episode

Who here plays the first KF now that it went free on Humble Bundle? More than double the amount of players in KF1 than in KF2 the last few days.

>>180724567
I tried playing it yesterday, when i saw our lvl6 field medic die to a bunch of clots and crawlers not being able to get out i alt f4'd

Rank cheating destroyed the game sadly

>They still haven't fixed the Workshop not downloading mods
Holy fuck it's been 2 or 3 yrs now.

>download a music sound replacer
>sometimes it wont play any music at all
inb4 why replace the music
i'm a weeb okay

>Both can be sold and dropped individually
This line in akimbo weapons will literally never get fixed because the devs don't actually play the game.

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>>180679226
>MA wasn't a thing
>no bows, katanas, naginatas, shurikens, etc.
>got stuck with survivalist
I'd happily take the gimmicky but unique style of class than one which is just cut up pieces of others being a weak frankenstein

They said they'd rework the Survivalist, when?

>>180724925
They're just poorly converted, better do it yourself using this guide by a /kfg/ anon http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=712455634

>>180724925
>Replaced most of the christian values with music from Painkiller, Zynthetic, Serious sam and then some miscellaneous others

Sounds good man

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I opened two emote crates and have immense regrets

>>180725557
better have some DOOM ost in there

>>180723976
You realize that each individual projectile or strike is counted as a headshot, right? As SWAT or Commando, you should always be getting the most headshots.

>>180726169
Obviously, but it is still a great feel.

>>180725964
does anyone have a track listing for that DOOM ost mod in the pastebin?

Why is the benelli so shit
I have never used it and felt like I was doing anything that the fucking pump action can't do better

When can we expect the rumored new outfit for Ana?

>>180727839
u shoot boom boom blast very fast

>>180725258
Stay Tuned

>>180728890
What new outfit? Only thing I've heard is the new Cryo gun that was datamined.

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I've been watching Psychogamer's challenge run on youtube to try and be better on each class in FS2. I was just wondering if there's a more detailed guide I can follow so I know my role during the rounds and the boss fight for each class?

>>180730918
>FS2
sorry meant KF2, I need some sleep

Steph best poster

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>buy and use 3 premium tickets
>first item is a ZED time clown hat
>second is a brown witch doctor hat
>third is a DOSH clown hat
>mfw no facepaint

>>180733382
Serves you right for trusting a MT jew.

>>180733382
>buy and use 3 premium tickets
You deserved it, mate

>>180733382
>Falling for jewish tricks
You get what you buy

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I see face paints are desirable, got this yesturday from regular tickets, did i do good?

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>>180733606
A clown eh? That's cool. You're not there to laugh, but to bring laughs. Kind of reminds you of ourselves, doesn't it?

>>180733480
>>180733542
>>180733602
It was worth the shot, I couldn't be arsed having to get on ever 4 hours just for a single regular ticket only to collect 5 and get garbage out of those.

on the bright side, at least I have classic masterson's and rae's facepaints (even though they're not exactly the ones I want)

>>180733606
I've got it too, but I don't even remember when.
>>180734174
>on the bright side, at least I have classic masterson's and rae's facepaints
Does Rae becomes less ugly or something?

>>180733606
I find it amusing that both classic characters have the sad crying face with tears on the side, while everyone else has something more varied. As if they were trying to say something.

>>180733741
>ana
>needing to buy an arse
what

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>Use rocket launcher to knock Hans out of his shield
>Explosion smashes his ragdoll through the floor of the map somehow
>He dies instantly from going out of bounds

>>180735046
Back before Demo's ragdolling was nerfed, you could uppercut Hans with an RPG-7 and send him flying long enough for the autokill to kick in.

Just got this game for free from PS+, what am i in for?

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Fuck when will we get unabashed merc bitches instead of punk women as playable characters?

>>180735548
What about a grizzled cabaret dancer?

>>180735548
Wow anon, that character design doesn't look very safe for feminists. We at Tripwire would never make a character like that.

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>>180734531
still ugly but a slight improvement

>>180735548
Why again we have 2 ugly punk/metal/whatever women, instead of Aldridge and Anderson?

>>180735913
Especially considering Skully is cuter than both of them.

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>>180735548
>never got a ruskie prison guard chick to come with the prison map when that came with talk about adding more female characters
>Rae wasn't some outback marksman like TF2 sniper but just as a woman
TW keep dropping the ball each time, they would have fitted thematically with people who know how to use weapons and been unique enough that they had their own theme but weren't also a sore thumb while doing so.

>>180735548
>wanting more female characters when the existing ones are already retard magnets

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>Fleshpound is stunned
>Commando is extending zed time
>I'm a Gunslinger with Whirlwind of Lead and Rack 'em Up right on the Fleshpound's face

>>180736991
but anon we need more thicc booty

>>180735548
What, like a Revy?

Sergeant Davin for kf2 when?

>>180738980
They aren't even going to give you a blue hood to go with the gas mask on Briar.

>>180738980
Just use Briar with the gas mask

>>180738980
Forever destined to be cucked.
He was my main, too.

>>180739165
>can't use gas mask with ski mask
>ski mask is not a part of the Briar's default kit
Why is this allowed?

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>>180737539
>Be 25 support
>Scrake and fleshpound spawn
>Mfw finished reloading aa12 just in time for zed time

Weeklies reset on Mondays, right?

>>180743728
Yes, I'm guessing sometime in the afternoon.

>>180744682
Coolio. I'm guessing it's Tiny Tots?

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Fuck, Ana has such a nice ass.

>>180745479
Now that I can't say, because I thought it was up, up, and decay next.

>>180745717
I dunno how TW managed to make asses just right, but they did it pretty damn well.

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>>180745717

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>>180738827
>>180735548
I'd a Revy. Though making her more dosh oriented would probably be better than her being just bloodthirsty.

>>180748903
Would be perfect for gunslinger.

is there a way to preview cosmetics? browsing the store is so annoying

>>180749421
Nope.

>>180749421
Not an intentional way, though at some point someone had a guide on using the SDK to achieve that.

>>180749421
You can do it in SDK, but it's not very straightforward

Is there a way to change color of the crosshair and remove the white/red filter from Zed time?

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>>180749885
The crosshair is so bad, not because of the color but just how impractical and wide it is from its design, i've actually found my aim to be worse from using it.

>>180750632
it should be made even shittier so crosshair using plonkers get out

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>>180749885
>>180750632
>crosshair

>>180750876
>>180750891
I have 800 hours in KF1, never missed a crosshair.
In 2 it feels like an absolute must since zed movements are so spastic and the scopes are trash when moving, give me back textured scopes fucking Tripwire.

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>>180748903
fuck yes!

>>180750891
I get it, "using crosshair" meme, but i'm far from defending it because of how bad it is, if they were intentionally making it complete ass just so people would get used to the no crosshair style the game had then it looks like its working. Besides KF1 it wasn't needed because everything was sluggish/stiff, weapons felt more "accurate" and imo recoil didn't feel nearly as strong as it does now.

>Load up perk training map and suicide
>Don't get drops
>Figure I need to actually play full match
>Play full match and still no drops
What the fuck?

>>180752487
>weapons felt more "accurate"
Never understood how people felt that way. In both games, when not recoiling, you shoot damn near the center of the screen. But KF2 has much better zed hitboxs and longer lasting tracer effects.

>>180752848
It's random, sometimes I'll get the drop from just killing myself in first match on sometestmap and sometimes I just let the game idle for about 10 minutes to get the drop. It's just random anon.

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>Only want the Tanaka face paint
>Get 3 pig masks in a row

>>180755090
just recycle the damn things for tickets, unless you already did that

>>180752848
Took me 15 games of killing myself at the beginning and reloading before getting a shit skin. They really should have fucking made it to where crates and cosmetics were not a part of the 4 hour drops.

>>180750267
I like trousers

Does anyone have that webm of dozens of Hanses in Burning Paris deploying so much gas the fps drops to 1

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>>180757431

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>>180757628
Thank you

>>180757431
>>180757628
And also with sound
https://webmshare.com/play/EBrYw

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>>180757883
Even better, thanks

>>180753153
Part of it is the speed of the zeds in KF compared to KF2, also there's less head waggling in KF. They also didn't do something stupid like say "putting a sword hitbox in front of a head hitbox on a beyblader".

>>180758893
>They also didn't do something stupid like say "putting a sword hitbox in front of a head hitbox on a beyblader"

>FP can make himself virtually invincible to sharpshooter when he charges

Makes me pretty mad.
Disabling raged FPs in KF1 was my jam.

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>>180758893
kf1 swordeater's visual head was a part of his torso, so if you decapped him, he would still have a head, walk funny for a bit, then keel over.

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>>180759237
Well see, that's a funny thing. The head hitbox extends much farther than you'd think.

Also unlike KF1's hitboxes, the torso isn't a fucking cylinder.

>>180760513
So do the arms which he uses to cover his head with.

>>180760716
And admittedly it's still hard, but as funslinger I've still gotten headshots. I should do a webm capture of an FP charging with hitboxes on. I'm kinda curious myself actually.

So whats the meta on classes?

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>Make game where you reward headshots and they are the only viable way to kill the enemies
>Make an enemy that covers his head every half second every time he's headshot and has so much bodyhealth you are pretty much forced to just stare at him while he covers his head
Who the fuck thought the Gorefiend was a good idea?

>>180762464
I'd be fine with it if you could melee him out of it via bash or even a zerker's melee attacks, but nope, get ready to let it rip motherfucker.

>>180763397
Can they be stumbled out of a block? Or jostled, by poison, or fire?

>>180762464
>image I made is still being used
Now I know how flattering it feels

>>180763521
Out of a block, yeah, but most perks who rely solely on headshots don't have the means to do it, or they are too expensive to waste on an enemy as common as the fucking Gorefiend who, by the way, likely has a higher kill record than Scrakes. Out of their spin attack, they are immune to everything but death.

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>>180762464
>>180763906
>Scrake won't rage until you attack him, only blocks once in a blue moon
>FP will unrage after hits you once, block still leaves his head vulnerable
>both spawn in limited numbers

>Gorefiend will spam his spin-to-win as mush as he wants, blocks his head 99% of the time and has as much health as a mid-tier Zed while spawning in small hordes
Why WHYYY

>>180762129
They're all pretty good except FB. Demo is a bit OP.

>>180766339
>except FB
Fuck you

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>>180765941
Zed headblocking mechanic is the most anti-gamer meme on the planet. It is an entire game mechanic that specifically counters perks that rely on headshots.
I wouldn't mind it if it was a low percent chance of triggering, but WHENEVER THE ZED TAKES DAMAGE IT WILL BLOCK. And the cooldown for it is something like 2 seconds. You can shoot a gorefiend in the head from midrange, and he will block his head and start sprinting at you. When he gets into range of you, he'll block his head again before spinning. Do Firebug or Demos have to play around this mechanic? Fuck no. I came here to play a headshotting game, not a 'wait for the bloat to stop blocking his head with his cleavers' gay anal tedious minigame.

>>180766576
FB got nerfed hard and is a detriment to the team on HoE.

does anyone here want to do a HoE run were everyone is firebug with me?

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end my life

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>>180767298
>15 FPS, no one can see shit and everything is raging, all the time
Sounds so bad it might just be fun

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>>180670352
Hey guys, i stopped playing back in 2015 a few months after Early Access release (when you could spin around scrakes).

What's the typical team composition these days?

Back then it used to be mandatory to have 1 or 2 Supports (to deal with scrakes/FP using AA-12), a commando (to clear trash zeds, saving shotgun ammo for the Supports), a berserker (stun/parry the big guys and the boss) and the medic.

Do you still need a perk like commando to clear trash and save ammo for the team?
Which perks are responsible for dealing with the big guys now?

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>>180766740
>Zed headblocking mechanic is the most anti-gamer meme on the planet
This. Bloat has so many resistances already, it takes quite a couple of headshots to decap one, especially if you come from KF1 where Bloats were basically fat clots who were decapitated by nearly anything in one shot. Only the 9mm does a little more damage and switching to it makes no sense in nearly every situation. And on top of that you add a fucking head blocking mechanic? As in, "fuck you for being good at the game and being able to aim at heads, now sit there for a couple of seconds while you can't do anything"? And even more on top of that, the Gorefiend with his insane damage and relatively high spawn rate gets the same treatment?

Fuck Tripwire sometimes.

>>180757628
BRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP

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>>180768297
Medic is a complete necessity in higher difficulties.

Sharp and Demo are the dedicated large zed killers.

Firebug and Commando are the prime trash killers and quite useful if they are responsible and know not to damage the large zeds.

SWAT is pretty much redundant to Commando and nearly useless in every situation. Also, SWAT's ammo is really fucking expensive for a perk that's supposed to be a bullet hose and using 3 weapons instead of 2 like the average perk, so you end up turning into a dosh black hole if you decide to play it.

Support and Gunslinger are a weird middle ground between trash killers and large zed killers. Support does provide ammo and decent firepower with the AA12 which is huge, but Gunslinger, in my opinion, brings nothing to the table that other perks can already do better, although it still fits a role well if no one else wants to do it. Support can deal with a bad situation involving a large zed in a pinch, but can't be expected to be at the front engaging the 3 Fleshpound squad, and also has a high price to his ammo and can't exactly be killing every trash zed that comes around, that's why it's a middle ground.

Berserker is a tank and quite necessary now that Fleshpounds can spawn enraged. Otherwise, tanking is useful nevertheless.

Survivalist is the "Oh shit nigger what are you doing" perk. Kinda like Gunslinger in the weird middle ground part, except Survivalist sucks much worse in every aspect.

>>180768297
Team comp doesn't matter under HoE

On HoE, commando is essential, but usually for the zed time extensions more so than trash clearing. Zerker and Medic obviously. And maybe a SS/Demo and Support.

>>180769240
>>180769251
>the original 7 perks fit nicely in a team comp
>the 3 new ones are laughable

who woulda thought

>>180769598
Gunslinger is fine, but yeah it basically was already in KF1 if you think about it.

>>180769598
Yeah. And had Tripwire added Martial Artist, things would have been no different
>Let's make this perk called Gunslinger and give it the backup weapons of the Sharpshooter. That's totally gonna work and not make the perk feel weak.
>Let's make this perk called SWAT to replace the Medic from KF1 having so much armor. Only, let's make it be a worse Commando and still make the Medic better at tanking hits because SWAT's armor is barely stronger than any other perk's, haha
>Let's make Martial Artist and make it be Berserker, but a glass canon instead so there's no reason to pick it over Berserker
>Oops, we're running out of time to release the last perk. Let's just release the "jack of all trades" in the game that's characteristic for having each character have a niche, haha. That'll totally work

>>180769598
Ironically enough it would be a pretty easy fix too
>lower gunslinger weapon prices and weight to like a 1/4 of what they are now. The perk now has a place in that you carry shitloads of weapons and comes online far earlier than other perks.
>Swat ammo cost down by a huge margin, fucking triple ammo capacity, sure you will still be competing with commando for a spot but now we have a dedicated bullet hose and a slower more accurate commando.
>survivalist has no weapons and using the knife turns him into 10000 times x (x being the current wave)dosh pile, you now pick the perk before alt+f4ing to give your teammates something for carrying you as far as they did.

>>180770771
>>180770775
To be fair SWAT was supposed to have a shield which would make him interesting before they scrapped it.

>>180771050
The shield has always been purely speculation, in none of the leaked Perk files back then was it mentioned, nor was it ever mentioned by TW.
They did said that if that's what the community wanted they'd work on it, which is why we got the Mace & Shield a while ago to test the new shield feature.

>>180771230
They should just do it and make him use the shield with ADS. We already have a perk that removes all ADS drawbacks.

Speaking of stupid things, why do we have to choose between perks in tiers, surely it would be more F U N if we just had 1 perk point per 5 levels and could choose any of the 10 perks

>>180771642
Because you can do different things. Like sharp can go for the immobile railgun-wielding big-shit killer or a flexible stunlocking rifleman.

How do I berserker

>>180772116
Hit zeds
Don't get hit by zeds to death

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https://youtu.be/AXc411PgAxE?t=20s

Hollow Point Rounds or Eat Lead?

>>180775872
Depends on whether your team needs more trash clearance, or focused damage. Like if you've already got a decent Firebug but're having problems with mid-tiers, you'd go with HPR, but if you're expected to be one of the main trash killers, the extra ammo'll probably help more.

>>180775872
why on earth would you take increased magazine size over extra damage per bullet

like, probably the only redeeming factor of it is that it supposedly increases ammo box pickup since it refills a single magazine to your total ammo, but that's about it

>>180775872
Hollow Point Rounds is so much better it's not even a choice.

>>180771642
Honestly, I started to prefer a skill point system after I realized how dogshit the current system made their perk design.
I'd like if you could allocate points into the things you want your perk to have, satisfying their gimmick of "customizing" your perks without leaving it riddled with design flaws. For example, stat increases could be incremental boosts, with the more unique skills requiring additional point investment.

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We need more Rae

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>>180778453

>>180778453
Delete this shit right now

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Show me your Fosters

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>>180779496
I should get paid a bonus for this

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>>180779496
Who /dosh/ here

>>180771230
Huh. I wonder how much progress they've made on it if they're working on it.

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>>180779496

>>180735548
Because of the highschool metal zombii aesthetic the creators are wrapped up in.

keep dreaming =but youre looking for a different game

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>>180735548
Huh. Hetza's girls would fit just fine actually.

>>180778453
very ugly

>lvl25 Medic
>most kills
>zero healing
He ended up the last one alive in the boss fight 'cause he wasn't healing anyone else then, surprise surprise, dies immediately after once he no longer has any teammates to do all the kiting and damage for him.
>>>LEVEL 25
Spam kick against these people.

>>180786168
>>lvl25 Medic
>>most kills
How bad were you all

>>180784795
Sorry anon, that looks like something a 14 year old would find attractive and we can't have that in our game!

>>180786412
Our Firebug was retarded and he was just camping chokepoints and killing all the trash while the rest of us had to focus on covering each other and killing all the big guys. Kills were actually pretty evenly split otherwise.

>>180787098
The Medic was camping chokepoints and killing all the trash while the Firebug did fuckall, I mean.

>>180787012
The quoted property tells us characters that a 14 years would find attractive can't be in kf2.

Let x be a 14 years old.

Because x has arbitrary tastes, he could find any human females attractive.

However, kf2 contains female characters.

This contradiction tells us your property is false.

Conclusion: YEW MUPPET

>>180787513
BOG OFF YOU TOSSPOT

>>180787613
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? BLEEDIN' ACTION MAN?

>>180787863
I NEED DRUGS! NAOW!

>>180787513
Keep it up, we'll nerf berserker into the ground.

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>>180687089
YOU FORGOT GREENSTREET IM GONNA FUCKING KYS

>>180788081
IT'S LIKE SHOOTING FISH IN A BARREL

>>180790913
CALL YOURSELF A BLOODY ZOMBIE

>>180791353
OH COME ON, KEEP UP MATE WILL YA?

>>180787513
You just don't understand that rainbow-haired unshaven tumblrinas are the pinnacle of beauty.

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>>180793932

do you just get your accessories from the market or actually open the crates?

>>180798078
Selling junk and buying off the market is more economical.

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>>180798078
drops only

>>180798078
I recycle drops
into fewer and worse items

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I'M DELICIOUS

>>180799832
I bet you are.

I really wish bloat bile couldn't kill you from DoT. I hate just sitting there at low health watching it count down knowing there's literally nothing I can do.

>>180801397
It gives you time to reflect on your poor decisions.

>>180799832
They better fucking give the Christmas Patriarch his lines.

>>180802824
>patty
>every being more than a lame fatso to bully in kf2

>>180801397
>>180802230
REQUEST HEALING
REQUEST HEALING
REQUEST HEALING
REQUEST HEALING

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>tfw playing KF1 after so long
>those hitboxes

>>180805502
The primary reason I can't go back to it. That and the netcode.

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>>180769598
>Firebug fits more nicely than SWAT or Gunslinger
>Gunslinger especially
Sod off.

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>>180768297
Support is even better than before now that they have more personal ammo, damage, carry weight, and their resupply grants Armor.
Commando is still a cornerstone of a team comp, can be subbed in with SWAT if you need more big Zed killing power because of their Flashbangs.
Medics are even better in that they can give you buffs with their syringes now, however multiple perks are now capable on cross-perking the medic weapons.
Berserker became optional. While still good the meta mostly shifted towards killing as fast as possible instead of bothering with tanking/stuns.
Demolitionist is a god among men now. While still having the weakness of having trouble with Zeds in their face they can clear groups and one shot any non-big zed with well placed grenades, kill FPs before they even get a chance to rage, and has one of the fastest methods of killing Scrakes once you learn it.
Sharpshooter is a wonderful big Zed killer and the Railgun build grants it the fastest big boy kills in the game. Decent trash clear but can quickly get overwhelmed to ammo count.
Gunslinger is if you give a Sharpshooter sanic speed, more ammo to clear trash, and very respectable big Zed killing if you're a good shot.
Survivalist is complete and UTTER trash. Ignore it completely.

>>180807254
>Firebug goes entirely unmentioned
As it should be.

>>180806516
I just wish that I could carry dual 9mm along the rest of my dual handguns

>>180769240
>>180769251
>>180807254
Thanks guys

>>180698523
best trash clearing gun until you get AA12 IMO. The individual reload and faster fire rate give it an advantage over the mag shotgun.

Really does need its weight changed so it can be carried with AA12 and Double barrel.

>>180771050
Shield would make SWAT actually interesting to play, instead of second commando. Just give SWAT all this cool shit he should have, like
>shield
>taser
>glock or usp
>different types of grenades
>cool shotguns
>c2
And maybe something else

>>180810492
>Shield would make SWAT actually interesting to play
Sure it would.
>buy shield
>can't aim down sights/move slower/restricted to a gun about as strong as the MP5
>8 weight total
>you get a bit more passive resistance or you get massive resistance when blocking with it so either way you're just a slow Berserker
If you want passive resistance they can just rework SWAT and give him some resistance skill.
If you want active resistance then play Berserker.
If you want a shield blocking half your screen and a weapon that has little practical purpose then use the Bone Crusher.
The only argument for giving SWAT a shield is "it would be different." Giving Firebug a hot glue gun or Berserker a giant oversized pencil with a sharp end would also be different.

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RATE THE CHARACTERS

REMEMBER IF ANA AND RAE AREN'T AT THE BOTTOM TIER, WYD

>>180811109
>can't aim down sights
You can allow aiming with sights if you're not hiding behind the shield
>move slower
Give SWAT speed penalty only when he's hiding behind the shield. Rework tactical movement to reduce or remove speed penalty.
>restricted to a gun about as strong as the MP5
Give him strong handguns
>If you want a shield blocking half your screen
It looks okay in the r6s, hell, TWI can just go with
>horzine has made a light and compact shield glass/plastic for you guys, use it

>>180811715
*glass/plastic shield

>>180811715
>Give him strong handguns
You have way too much faith in Tripwire if you think they're gonna give you a shield with several gun options, especially handguns which aren't even SWAT's native gun type.
And don't expect them to make it compatible with any weapon because that would "be complicated" somehow plus Tripwire would just argue that since you'd need to use M3 to to block with the shield you can't swap firing modes on all other guns which would be a loss of game function or something so that's not happening.
>horzine has made a light and compact shield glass/plastic for you guys, use it
Doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day it's a boring, meaningless addition.

Even assuming Tripwire somehow makes a shield that doesn't block your screen, is compatible with all current guns or god forbid gets unique weapons (note the plural here) associated with it, ESPECIALLY pistols, what does a shield actually add to the game?
Like I said, Berserker already has a shield. Even assuming you add new features to it like
>while blocking with it you take less damage from Siren screams (somehow) and Bloat bile doesn't cover your screen anymore
>you can aim and block at the same time with a gun hole at the front of the shield
>reduced damage from the Husk's fire attacks
At the end of the day it's just a damage reducing utility for a perk that doesn't need to get close to deal damage and would ultimately be using a presumably finite resource in the form of shield durability. Berserker can tank better and even has weapons and a whole side of the perk tree designed for being tanky and blocking.
You can put all the effort in the world into making a shield for SWAT but either you make Berserker's tank role redundant in the process or you just slap on half-assed tank features to a perk not meant for it.

If MT's are going to be a thing can we at least stop IJC from cranking out puke garbage tier skins that use the exact same color pattern for 10+ weapons? At least get someone competent to make these skins.

I still can't believe these are the same people who made the IJC weapon mod for KF1.

>>180813701
>that doesn't need to get close to deal damage
Well, Husks can shoot you across the map.
But I guess you're right, being tanky is already berserk's role. Oh well, I guess SWAT is doomed to be a second commando and TWI is not going to give SWAT some cool guns anytime soon, if ever.
;_;

>>180814605
I have strong reasons to believe IJC is the main reason we barely see any new user-made skins in the workshop anymore. Just about fucking ANYTHING IJC makes will get added to the game and since Tripwire will only add a couple of USBs/crates per update, and at least half of them will have IJC items in them, it makes you feel discouraged from even trying to make anything new when Tripwire can just as well ignore it and instead add more IJC items.
I have several highly rated collections in the workshop (at least 63%+ positive ratings) that have been out for well over half a year and they haven't been added yet.
You can also still find the Yin Yang set in ItemDefinitions.txt which suggests they'd be added but they still haven't.

>>180814858
>Oh well, I guess SWAT is doomed to be a second commando and TWI is not going to give SWAT some cool guns anytime soon, if ever.
It's not like I like SWAT in its current state either. It's literally just a worse Commando but with a stun grenade. They should never have split Medic into two perks to begin with, especially not when SWATs core features, SMGs and armor, weren't integral parts to Medic in the first place and now on SWAT they aren't even good.
I don't know how they can make SWAT unique but a riot shield wouldn't do much to help it.

TWI should stop shitting out weapon skins and head cosmetics and instead focus on adding more body armour/clothes. Sure, I can equip doctor's mask, but I'll never look like Anderson, because there is no proper clothes to with the mask. I'll be Foster/Skully/whatever in the doctor's mask.
But then, if TWI does add more clothes, they'll do it through shitty microtransactions, so I'll have to pay a ton dosh in order to have it, or grind million hours and still never see it. Maybe adding new characters would be a better Idea.

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>>180816314
>Maybe adding new characters would be a better Idea.
Unfortunately then they also have to be voiced which costs money which means they'll either be part of free updates once every 6-ish months at best or they'll cost 5-10 dollars each.

>>180815230
>but a riot shield wouldn't do much to help it
Well, riot shield was not the only thing I proposed. But I'm afraid it would be a pain in the ass for TWI to add this stuff, so they'll just add more guns, like ump 45 or something

If I were to speculate and say they'd add the Riot Shield for SWAT, the weapon they'd most likely pair it up with would probably be the MP5K.

>>180815050
It also doesn't help that IJC has set a precedent that any collection MUST have every gun use the same color pattern. Now anyone who still bothers to make skins does it because it's probably the only way they're even going to get a chance of being added.

>>180816812
>taser
Its role is already practically done by the stun grenade.
A 1-2 weight pistol that stuns/knocks down zeds would only really be useful on big zeds but then you'd need to give it only a few rounds to compliment your stun grenade. You could make a 5-6 weight gun that has more rounds in exchange for giving up one of your SMGs though.
>glock or usp
Could be done easily but pistols aren't SWAT's native gun type. I could see him getting a UMP as an alternative tier 4 though.
>different types of grenades
I don't know how you'd go about doing that without some kind of perk skill that changes it. The only alternative grenade I could see SWAT getting is a flashbang which blinds zeds and knocks them down near the center of the blast while all others run around wildly. It seems like it would be worse than the stun though.
>cool shotguns
Again, not his native weapon type, and even then I'd rather sooner see machine pistols (or just pistols in general) on SWAT than a shotgun even though thematically it would be more appropriate.
>c2
You what? As in the C2A1? Seems more like a Commando weapon.

>>180817120
>It also doesn't help that IJC has set a precedent that any collection MUST have every gun use the same color pattern.
To be fair the High Voltage collection don't all have the same pattern, just the same vague kind of theme I guess.
But yes, if you don't make a bunch of weapons with the same theme you're fucked. Make a single well-fitting theme for a weapon? Good, now put that same theme on 5 other guns or it's not getting added you nigger.

>>180817212
>As in the C2A1?
No. As in C2 explosives. You can use them to breach through doors in SWAT 4, for example. Now that I think about it, demo already has similar feature, so I guess c2 won't be needed.
>but pistols aren't SWAT's native gun type
I'm not sure why did TWI made SWAT use only smg and nothing more, that's what made it worse commando. IRL SWAT uses a ton of weapons, not just SMGs.
As for grenades, sting grenade could be upgrade to flashbang. Not sure about gas, though.

>>180817212
>I'm not sure why did TWI made SWAT use only smg and nothing more, that's what made it worse commando. IRL SWAT uses a ton of weapons, not just SMGs.
I know. I don't want SWAT to be SMG-exclusive either, but it's really hard to argue for the case of getting rid of perk-thematic weapons. The only perks that don't or didn't have thematic weapons are Berserker and Medic. Medic because they wanted futuristic junk and because SMGs were being moved to SWAT now, Berserker because they tried turning him into an improvised weapons perk which flopped horribly but he still has the Nailgun and Eviscerator.
Sure, Commando has the Stoner which makes no sense, but it's less of a drastic departure from its gameplay style than it is to give SWAT a shotgun or explosives.
Besides, if you do give him a weapon that isn't the same type, suddenly off-perk bonuses don't really make sense anymore and you can start arguing for everyone getting bonuses with some random weapons for whatever reason. Give SWAT a shotgun and you could argue he should be able to use all of Support's "tactical" shotguns, give him explosives and you could argue he should get a bonus with the M16, etc.

>As for grenades, sting grenade could be upgrade to flashbang. Not sure about gas, though.
I'd prefer gas honestly. Something that does more damage than the Medic's healing grenade and slows down zeds but is still dangerous to SWAT as well.

>>180818538
>replied to myself
Well that's embarrassing
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>>180817212
Swat needs his identity redefined to become a proper perk. As it stands he's literally a commando with more magazine capacity (by default) with reduced damage per bullet along with some minor armor buffs that medic used to have because they couldn't think of anything else to add.

Also increase his weapon variety. Give him weapons that have good crowd control effects such as a high capacity handgun with burst or auto capabilities, SMG's with high capacities and RoF (already has 'em) and shotguns that are equipped with unique ammunition that allow him to stagger or knockdown large groups in exchange for reduced raw damage(something like Baton rounds). a high powered rifle with moderate capacity equipped with special stun rounds that'll stun various zeds each shot. Obviously larger zeds would have special mechanics requiring multiple shots in specific spots or somethin'
Hell you could even give him an M32 that's armed with flashbang grenades.
Also his riot grade ammunition talent (the one that slows zeds each shot) should be a standard passive that all of his weapons have by default.

>>180818538
other perks have different weapon types that fit the theme. firebug has fire pistols and a fire shotgun, demo has grenade pistols and a rifle w/underslung launcher.
Commando has an LMG with high capacity. Swat just needs his theme clarified or continued from where it is now (high capacity high RoF)

Also survivalist needs to be COMPLETELY reworked because holy fuck it's not even a perk at this point. It's just some unfinished pet project that accomplishes literally nothing.

>>180809742
imo the DBS needs a slight adjustment in weight, I fucking love the thing but I wont deny something which can delet a scrake with 2 shots(altfire) for a tier 2 thats also only 4 weight is stronk as fuck, heavy it to 5-6 and it'll feel less like its a must pick and stay from so many upsides

>>180818803
>Swat needs his identity redefined to become a proper perk.
Yeah, but that would require a ton of effort on Tripwire's part. Keep in mind I'm NOT excusing them for being lazy, rather you should expect that they WON'T go through the effort to make a perk more interesting. Remember: laziness is why we have Survivalist to begin with.
The easiest solution would be a complete rework of his skill tree. I dunno what they could (or even CAN) do but that alone could suffice to make SWAT more unique.

>other perks have different weapon types that fit the theme.
Because they started out that way, and other than Berserker which was horribly designed at first and it only makes sense they would make it melee-oriented as it was in KF1, I doubt any perks are going to get a drastic change in their core design like that.
Firebug has different weapons, sure, but they're all fire-themed. SWAT at the moment has little to nothing to do with actual SWAT teams, it's just got big magazines, lots of ammo, and some meh utility skills.
Giving him SWAT-thematic weapons, not just SMGs, would be good but as I said it requires effort on Tripwire's part. Besides unlike a riot shield or LMG there's no huge demand for SWAT to be revamped.

>Also survivalist needs to be COMPLETELY reworked because holy fuck it's not even a perk at this point.
I'll be surprised if they put any more thought into Survivalist rather than just trying to forget about it. Nobody uses it and for good reason. Even if it was reworked it wouldn't be good.

Why does tripwire think splitting a perk into two = "Creating new perk"

Splitting sharpshooter into memeslinger + squatshooter is fucking terrible. Both perks are all about their Tier 3 and 4 while their tier 1-2 weapons are so bad they might as well not exist. Just make Sharp have better Lar, M14, Desert Eagle, Magnum,Reworked Railgun, maaaybe the M1911. Trash the 1858 and bow because they're terrible. Give it dual-wielding bonuses and bam you got a marksman/sniper perk everybody likes.

SWAT = take kf1 medic and subtract healing. pew pew smgs and some flashy armor perks doesnt really offer anything new to the table since smgs were basically shitty ARs. So the response is to give it buckets of ammo and ridiculous mag sizes for an smg.

Medic shouldve just gotten smgs of swat in kf2, they look much nicer than the laser light toys it currently has now.

>>180818965
it'll still be a must-pick at increased weight but 5-6 is actually more indicative of its effectiveness anyway.

>>180819287
>Splitting sharpshooter into memeslinger + squatshooter is fucking terrible.
What's even funnier is just how many of their weapons are crossperk compatible.
Both perks can use the LAR, 500 magnums, revolvers, and the Centerfire. I'm probably forgetting one.
>Both perks are all about their Tier 3 and 4 while their tier 1-2 weapons are so bad they might as well not exist.
Gonna have to disagree. The Centerfire is great, the Crossbow is serviceable offperk, the 1911s are a decent trash killer since you have room for them on Gunslinger, and the LAR is better than most starting weapons.
>Give it dual-wielding bonuses and bam you got a marksman/sniper perk everybody likes.
There's still the problem that so much of Sharpshooter's tree relies on standing still to deal damage. Sure, you can go with the utility side of the tree, but you lose so much damage in the process.

>SWAT = take kf1 medic and subtract healing.
And speed. And effective armor.
>So the response is to give it buckets of ammo and ridiculous mag sizes for an smg.
And in turn becoming a huge ammo and money sink.

Never mind shitty starting weapons, what tier 2 weapons are actually good other than the katana and centerfire?
The Medic SMG is only okay offperked on SWAT if you need a bit of extra healing.
The Bullpup is basically a slightly better AR15 which means it's just better than garbage.
C4 is worthless.
The MP5 used to be so bad the MP7 was better than it and other than being slightly better as a third ammodump when you've got the Kriss and P90 it sucks dick.
The Nailgun is a joke and even offperked for Support there are better options.
The Trenchgun is only good when offperked for Support.
The Crossbow is like a nerfgun version of the Railgun that only stuns sometimes.
The 1911s fill the same role as the MP5; inventory filler when you have all your other guns.

Support is the one exception with 2 good onperk tier 2s as well as a good offperk tier 2.

>>180819772

>What's even funnier is just how many of their weapons are crossperk compatible.

Yeah at this point I don't even know why they bother to try to differentiate the two at all.

>The Centerfire is great, the Crossbow is serviceable offperk, the 1911s are a decent trash killer since you have room for them on Gunslinger, and the LAR is better than most starting weapons.

Centerfire is literally a better LAR that happens to stay more true to the KF1 variant oddly enough. It's not bad but I don't see why two versions of the exact same gun need to exist. Actual Lar wouldnt be so bad if the bulletsponge Versus zeds weren't a thing. Crossbow doesn't really have a purpose. It's a single shot weapon with no AOE, unreliable stun, and mediocre damage output.

>There's still the problem that so much of Sharpshooter's tree relies on standing still to deal damage.

Pretty much. In a game where everyone is constantly moving around a "stand still and crouch!" bonus is the opposite of what you want.

>>180820072
Both Bullpup and AR are okay.
MP5 is alright now nothing special though.

Nailgun is a better pump shotgun. Trick is to never use the single fire. Used to use it on support even before the crossperk bonuses and it was still better than the tier 1 pump on perk. Trenchgun is actually stupidly good on support too. It's funny how these two are better on it than the perk they were originally intended for.

C4 is king of Fleshpound killer. Toss two of those bad boys on one and set them off and you've got either a dead FP or 90% dead one. Pairs well with RPG for anti Fleshpound setup. More of a utility than actual demo T2 which is the M79.

>>180820072
>talking shit about the 1911s
I'll fucking slap you upside the head faggot