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/ss13g/ - spesswomen on a spess station

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Last time on /ss13g/ - spessmen on a spess station:
>OP was stolen, but, the real OP is now back
>Coders added a new leveling system
>Unbannable greifer has arrived on the station
>I just made all this shit up
>I have a fucking head ache man

>What is Space Station 13?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHH1vfY6HTA
http://pastebin.com/VNcX2Quc

>New player guide
http://ss13.moe/wiki/index.php/The_Basics
http://ss13.moe/wiki/index.php/General_Help

>BYOND client
http://byond.com/download/build/LATEST/

>Pomf Serbian, main /vg/station server
byond://game.ss13.moe:7777

>Test server
byond://ss13.moe:1337

>Public server list
http://byond.com/games/exadv1/spacestation13

>How do I connect to the servers?
Hit the cogwheel in the upper right corner of the BYOND hub and pick "Open Location"

>/vg/station forum and logs
http://ss13.moe/forum/
http://game.ss13.moe/logs

>Map renders collection: updated sometimes
http://game.ss13.moe/minimaps/images/maps/

>Coderbus, here!
https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13
@rizon #coderbus @rizon #vgstation
https://discord.gg/fE3Ts8A

>Cryo Autism
http://pastebin.com/raw/YmAyagUa

>Round Stats
http://stats.ss13.moe/

>SS13 booru for all your SS13 images!
http://ss13.booru.org/

>How To Install BYOND: The Video Tutorial: The Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iWiZwv9f1o [Embed]

>Nostalgia
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/ss13g/
http://ss13.moe/index.php/bans

>OP Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/raw/z7czw5WQ
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the call that saved /vg/station
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Silicons > Waifus > "Husbandos"
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>>175321790
yeah desu that is true
i often drink when i play and so have an attention span of a 12 yearold
thanks for being patient with me when you were QM
>>175321687
i know how to fammalam
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Green haired Devil?
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Every thread until I get more
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>>175322336
Hey what you got against husbandos?
You some kinda homo?
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Vox looking for human bf come to dorms next round handsome men only please
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Anyone else noticed Niggly's been a bit of a cock lately in the discord? Wont talk much to me anymore and he seems mad with power really
Sad, didn't think he'd end up so shity
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>>175322742
They're all interchangable.
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baby's day out mode when

>player controlled baby spawns at roundstart
>captain has to secure him
>anywhere from 2-5 undercover syndicate agents cooperate to capture him
>baby can resist out of people's grasp/containers and ventcrawl on cooldown timers
>babu gets randomized objectives as the round goes on (e.g. "go to the laundry room," "pet ian," "light somebody's cock on fire"), completing them enhances baby's abilities and strengthens its plot armor for further mischief
>baby must eat regularly or die (to prevent players from locking it in a room for extended periods)
>four minutes before the emergency shuttle docks all agents are notified via pda uplink that a syndicate shuttle will be arriving at one of several random locations at the same time as the emergency shuttle
>if the baby arrives at centcomm, the crew wins
>if the baby arrives aboard the syndie shuttle, the syndicate wins
>if the baby's left on the station or dies, everyone loses (round continues??)
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>>175322258
Can you Bogpill me senpai? Just need a quick rundown.
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>>175322883
If I use a boston accent will you love me then?
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How do I become the best waifu?
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>>175323654
That would make you slightly more novel, yes.
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>>175323770
be good at the game instead of some attention whoring faggot(male)
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>>175324146
So continue doing what I have been, got it.
>tfw senpai rarely notices me
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I always think about the AI as a force of nature that goes from 0 to 100 in an instant but whenever I play it I pull the breaks really hard to not ruin other people's fun.
I wonder, should I got full ham more often?
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>>175324871
full ham how so? full potent ham?
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Double agent traitors is the best mode, upboat if you agree
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>>175324997
I mean full on validhunt if my laws allow to.
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>>175325147
It sucks when they both go loud roundstart, or one goes loud and outs his enemy
I once had a lowpop round where one went loud, and when he got caught, he outed his target. When we caught them both, we had them fight to the death in perma to fight for the right to live in perma
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Double agent traitors is the worst, it takes the antags and pits them against one another. Something that tends to make game modes terrible because its less non-antag interaction.
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Is it wrong I want Renovama's headban lifted just so he'll fuck up again and get permad instead?
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What are some neat gimmicks I can do as assistant?
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>>175325632
Actually assist departments.
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>>175325759
lets say in this scenario that all the other departments are well staffed and require no assistance.
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>>175322827
Okay sawbones
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>>175325828
Kill everyone in a department and take over all its duties by yourself
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>makes peacekeeper borgs secborgs
https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14762
>magbites
https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14761
>adds power creep
https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14760
>ports TG flag underwear
https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14757
>Adds the old ones
https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14749
>arcane golems can used upgraded spells
https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14747
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>>175325915
I shouldn't have to say this, but we're also assuming that you are not the antag.
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>>175322258
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>>175326148
Hang yourself IRL.
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>>175325632
Obtain carp pheromones, be a fisherman.
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>>175326283
If I hang myself it's going to be due to degenerate reasons, not ss13.

>>175326386
See, this is along the lines of what I was looking for. Thank you
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>>175325632
secure radical steve at 12:05 on box and start your ghetto vodka store
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You are stuck in an elevator for 5 hours and get to choose one waifu or one husbando for company, who do you choose?
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>>175330479
Me, myself, and I.
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>>175330479
random namers because i rather die than being with those who people define as "waifus" and because i don't know much of the husbandos and i imagine them being creeps IRL
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>>175330479
i would choose nevill then we can both hang ourselves 15 seconds in
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>>175322336
Silicons > Carbons > Shit > waifuposters > waifus
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>its a singuloose round
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>>175330479
rapy mc doctor
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A singularity can rip attached objects from you

That sounds increadibly painful
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>Captain bullies the chef and takes his ID before he gets the opportunity to make food (probably a newer player)
>nonantag
and here I thought you were a traitor doing a subtle gimmick
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>>175331818
You're a big girl
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>>175330479

Borer chan
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>>175331851
>see captain being a nigger
>get polyacid
>steal his lasergun from his office which i think he didn't even touched the whole shift
>dressed as a magician after killing Boi for being a fucking shitter
>"hey cap, want to see a tric"
>"yES"
>make gun dissapears
>he stuns me and the clown trips while stomping me
>cuff and disposal him
>suicide out of fulfillment
good round
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>open door
>closes instantly, trying to door crush me
>no one is around
>functions perfectly fine afterwards
>AI not rogue

what, made me paranoid
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>>175331980
>steal his lasergun from his office which i think he didn't even touched the whole shift
Captain was being a Tyrant, yes, but according to Goldsteel during Renovamaa's ban request:
http://ss13.moe/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3716&p=19490&hilit=captain%27s+laser#p19487
>2. The captain's antique laser gun is considered an item to protect, not an item to carry. Leave it alone.
But yeah, Captain was being a tyrant. Instead of uploading NT, he uploaded a 4th law which allowed him to designate anyone he wanted as a non human.
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>nevil tried to get himself unbanned
>everyone says he needs more time away for his sanity
top lel
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>>175332237
being a fourth law could you justify n2oing him to stop him identifying nonhuman out of humans
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>>175332237
i called captain out on being a retard when he got cloned for drunkenly running into the singulo field. His response was "Oh yeah?" and he tazed me and ran off in defeat
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>>175332529
Interesting. Because he's basically "transforming" humans into non-humans via command. Well, I look at it this way: If someone cloned a human and made them into a vox for whatever reason, and said they would continue to do so, I probably wouldn't intervene as an AI, because the hams are not potent enough. Fire the chef. That's the best comparison I can think of, but I also don't play AI.
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>>175332561
Hot damn! I kind of wish it got worse so I could forceably have demoted him, but that would mean more people getting fucked up by him.
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>>175332508
I have no idea who this guy is, but I think it's kind of a cop out to say that because it falls into the trap of "If you are banned, you are insane and not capable of rational thought, therefore there's no point in seriously discussing this."

The issue with this statement is this: Let's say you're banned and you appeal, and someone makes this claim against you, citing your appeal as evidence of your insanity. You then back your position up with evidence, or are insistent that you'll improve. Then they use the fact that you spent the time to formulate a drawn out post with evidence or your insistence as proof that you are mentally ill and unhealthily attached to the community.

So regardless of circumstance or whether they actually are actually mentally ill, I think it's a cop out.
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>>175333465
This is 4chan, We're all mad here.
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>>175333673
exactly
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>>175333465
I was around when nevil played. He was incredibly robust and knew quite a few of the game's mechanics by heart. He was the ultimate greytider really. Thing is he played the game a lot. A. LOT. He also had several meta-friends he would play the game with. God forbid he got antag; the station would be blown to smithereens in no time. He hardly ever played anything other than assistant.
The server is actually better without him imo. No matter what role I was if I saw him I'd steer clear because he was either RPing with his friends in the bar or out murderboning.
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>Make a character with dark skin and an afro
>Pick detective
>throw on a leather jacket
>play this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFvRvSxsW-I
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>>175332185
Door timing can be toggled, so can door safety for door crushing. Not every door that closes behind you is set to crush, somethings its just so its faster.
I was the AI and I never touched any of the safety settings because asimov.
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Ask me metaclub related questions and I will try to provide an answer.
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>>175334508
yea, I know all that. I heard there was a rogue mommi also.
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>>175334758
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>>175335171
i wonder how many hits I have in the admin channel
I know of at least 2 admins that dislike me
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>>175335076
yeah, some retard thought that having the singularity and SME up at the same time was an impossibility so he went against his laws and attempted to dismantle the station by way of taking apart the particle accelerator.
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>>175335768
what the fugg?
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>>175334215
Nevil also played lots of librarian
i've stumbled across some of his uploads in the library
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*Honks*
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>>175335959
he uploaded a lot of obscure magazines and comics like heavy metal and weekly world news
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post screenies
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what ever happened to Railfist and his Doomstation? is he still working on it?
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>>175336438

from yesterday
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>>175337424
How the heck do you double narsie? Have two groups summoning at the same time?
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>>175335171
People on reddit actually call pjb an obnoxious retard.

It's almost like he's the problem.
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>>175337424
Gee Bill! How come your mom lets you have two Nar-sies?
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>>175337424
LOL2NARSIE
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>>175330479
Rail Kingston
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>>175337607
yup
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>get antag
>can't think of anything interesting to do

how do I solve this?
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>>175337424
I was in that round. Two groups summoned at the same time, what are the odds. I was in one of them. Good round
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made OC while inside the clown
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>>175335768
>taking apart a PA is station dismantling
>setting up a singulo when the shard had been running all shift because "didnt no SME wuz runnin"
Dick you are heavy on the damage control buddy.
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>the clown is given a honk mech which he promptly gets destroyed
>they build him a second one
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>start of the shift captain sounds like a happy and somewhat naive guy, at least over the radio
>massacre happens and the warden goes off to find him
>the shuttle that the captain called is suddenly recalled and the captain gets on the radio
>he acts completely serious compared to how he sounded at the start of round
>warden's body disappears
>see captain in the brig later with a sec backpack on instead of a captain's backpack
>he's carrying one of the shotguns in his suit that the warden used to genocide sec earlier
>full powergamer gear on
>acting suspicious as fuck
>turns out the warden really did take the captain's identity
>he kills the HoS and starts shooting stuff on the shuttle
WAKE UP SHEEPLE WHY DIDN'T YOU SEE THE SIGNS
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>>175337620
Even reddit hates the kid? Man, that's saying something. You think he'd figure it out at some point. Personally, I'd be offended if I were him. Like the only reason I haven't been kicked to the curb, the only reason anyone defends me at all, is because I can code a few basic things? They "deal with me" so they can take my work? That's just insulting.
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>>175339142
>it is also destroyed
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>>175339201
I wouldn't have killed the HoS if you didn't fill his head with nonsense that was totally true.
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>>175339246
>clown is promptly murdered to death
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>>175339275
Wish you would've unlocked the taser case for my Gygax so I would've arrested you on the shuttle
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>>175339319
that's why I didn't do it desu
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Hey, big props to the clown for not holding that whole mess against me. This is definitely a round I'll remember.
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Just how many borers were in this game? I think we set a borer record
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>>175339448
At least five at the peak.
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>>175339576
There were 5 in one guy the other day and another 2 around the station.
I wish we could have gotten another borer in that scientist. That guy could survive eva forever and never die with the 5 of use in him
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>>175339201
>See all that shit as a ghost
>Get cloned by murderer
>N-nothing out of the ordinary haha
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>>175338213
Rail erps with medbay staff in deadpop hours
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>>175342403
deadpop doctor here
can confirm
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>>175338932
loose the singu and make the beacon the arrivals shuttle
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>Started playing as clown
>Pulling some epic pranks my dudes
>Stole this guy's Proto-kinetic Accelerator
>Threw it into space
>Feels good
>Random man gives me a spray can called "hellcan"
>Set myself on fire
>Librarian drags me to medbay
>Once I'm healed I ask him is he has my stuff
>He says no as he's honking my horn then runs
>I find him later
>I set him ablaze with the hellcan
>Stomp on him while on fire
>I take my shit from his ashes
>Admin messages me asking why?
>Told him he stole from me
>Gets banned
Is this gay or not? I play SS13 on and off
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>>175343735
>prank consists of stealing items from people and spacing them
>kills people for abusing him when half of his job is being abused and having the crew laugh at him for it
Yes, its faggotry. Congratulations, you are hippie tier because you don't understand how humour works, only want to grief as a clown and kill people under the most bullshit weak reasons possible.
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>>175343735
>selects the crew's living punching bag to play
>uses excessive force to retaliate against a crewmember making use of his god given right to bully clowns
>wonders why the admins send him to the gay baby jail
Nigger you're supposed to slip and loot, not burn to ashes
desu it probably should have been a temp job ban from clown, but I don't know how much of a shitter you've been in the past
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>wizard buys 0 spells
>wizard goes afk

But why?
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>>175346521
he had spells though
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>Server is kill
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>>175346552
I guess it doesn't show spells on the round end screen if he's braindead
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>>175346576
might've been the cloning and the ryetalin I gave him too.
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>>175346576
He bought the random spell bundle so that's probably why.
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>make a mostly beneficial virus
>guy agrees to infect himself with the virus
>virus immediately cure itself and I don't get to observe the symptoms
FUCK
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How big do you think the SMES would be compared to a person? I'm trying to figure out how big I should make them in my Source map.
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>no admins at this time

It's been like this for a year, why don't we promote people that can actually fill this timeslot well?
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>>175346689
because theres really no need to
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>>175346689
too busy letting meme admins like sawbones and repeated failures like dragonbro in
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>>175346737
Yeah, it's pretty comfy lowpop with no griefers
>>175346747
Some admins are good, they're either just busy or don't admin that much sadly
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>>175346689
Even if we had an admin at this hour he'd just deadmin himself and be a greyshitter
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>>175346747
amazing how 5 months ago everybody loved dragonbro
what happened
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>>175346674
Big, atleast a meter wide and 1.7 meters high, its essentially a large cylinder housing a electro magnetic field that stores energy, cant have it be small.
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>>175346840
Most people still love him, it's just a really dedicated shitposter
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>>175346689
I would admin, but I don't think I could handle the autism and I'm still holding out hope that I'll get a life before too long which would prevent me from being awake at 3am
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>>175346892
Huh, guess I wasn't too far off the mark, might make it taller though

Fun fact: Gordon's model here is only 4' 6", as are most of the humans because Source for some retarded reason uses differing scales for models and the maps themselves

The One Free Manlet
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>>175346604
that was it

you lose spells you gained through spellbooks when cloned
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>>175346674
I imagine them to be about this size
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>(Brady Lowstetter): Is it powergaming to lock down the permabrig while I get surgery for my appendicitis - heard by 0 non-AFK admins.
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>>175347994
no, because I was literally trying to escape the whole time.
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Does anyone have any spess-related tapestries?
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>>175348998
i like that malf one
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>>175348998
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>>175350101
What's special about 44?
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https://pastebin.com/PRArUWhk

How does nuke keep getting admin?
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>>175350396
he's pomfs special boy
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>>175350351
A score is 20. Threescore is 60.
It's a reference to this.
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>>175350529
Clusterfack did nothing wrong
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I want to make more tapestries but it's late and I can't think of any other events to parody.
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>>175350396
oh god, spaghetti everywhere.
anyway, if they want to save us from the depths of memes and no RP, I don't think going individual by individual, case by case is the best course of action. Update them rules
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>>175350662
Do one of that time when someone set their explosive implant to boom before someone said boombox
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>>175348998
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>>175350662
>Philip Jenner says, "Space me", Philip Jenner says, "Do it pussy", Philip Jenner says, "HE AINT GOT THE CAJONES", Philip Jenner [Common] (Assistant) says, "WALTER KIFER SPACING ME", HELP: Gorgonmaia/(Philip Jenner) (?) (PP) (VV) (SM) (JMP) (CA) : Aww shit negroes, that officer just spaced me, was that valid? - This, and a page of notes is why you're getting a permaban. Appeal it on the forums.
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>>175351430
lel
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>have all my role settings to medium
>always get put into one job, even if there's another person in that job
>check manifest
>nobody doing the other jobs you had set
Why does it do this?
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>>175351697
If it was a head role it's because it always rolls for heads first
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>>175351697
Its a stable marriage algorithm with the jobs choosing the players and the head roles picking first going down a certain order.
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>>175351710
It's a role that has no job
Mechanic
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>>175351430
>>175351567
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>>175352585
noice
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>>175352585
Last page ruins it, needs better wording
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>>175353196
Got any suggestions?
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jesus, it would have been less of a hassle to just let the mime kill the janitor in the dorms that round
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>>175354356

Much autism was on display that entire round.
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>>175356613
I'd a crow girl.
Corvids are the most intelligent birds.
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>>175356754
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Why does PJB even code for us if he hates us so much?
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>>175356613
>>175356942
Where are the vox
That bird girl isn't ugly or jewish enough
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>>175356754
That means they're smart enough to realize that you're a fucking loser.
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>>175356613
>>175356942
Is there somewhere I can find all of these together?
I really like them.
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>>175357434
>>175357434
I'll tell you if you erp me

I saved them from a random thread on /v/,
there's only those 2
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Thisround.mp4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agVpq_XXRmU
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>>175357060
He loves drama.
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>>175357564
Not that guy but meet me next round in the dorms kiddo i'll rock your fucking world
Bring space lube if you want to survive it
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ign dolphinhole
the fuck did i do? Didn't get a message as it was between rounds.
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>>175357564
>there's only those 2
YOU LIE
I found more: http://imgur.com/gallery/5IUZ3

Though it seems they're made by an anon spread solely by other anons. I haven't found any single place with all his stuff.
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>>175357950
SO CUTE
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Wizard rounds were a mistake
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remove wizard when
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>Guys gets pulse rifle and instantly goes ham on whoever he sees first

Whew laddie, you really are a cunt. Tha ttitude was bad enough, but the murderboning just kinda seals it.
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>>175359460
>>175359618
what, you don't like 15 minute rounds with the hos chimping out on the shuttle with a minigun?
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>>175357915
Use the forum or the discord
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>>175359631
wasn't it amari ray?
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>>175359631
>VG player isn't robust and has to bitch about it anonymously on the thread that no one likes

Get antag, be antag
Sorry you didn't get to suck off the bartender you little bitch
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>>175359693

Yeah.

>>175359724

Point fuckin' proven.
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>>175359818
I hope you didn't think the "point" of Summon Guns was to wait around until the wizard shows up to use the new gunz on him.
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>>175359631
>not murderboning during summon guns
Unless it was super lowpop, you're really just making it so that the wizard dies the second he gets there and it becomes extended. You're the real asshole here.
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>>175361223

It WAS lowpop though.
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>>175361425
How lowpop though? Single digits or in the teens?
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sorry for catbeasting you daemon, i had a power trip
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>>175359818
>get free antag roll
>get free PULSE RIFLE
C'mon, it's the most obvious thing to do,
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I want to die
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FILL MY EYES
WITH DOUBLE WIZARD
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>>175361560

https://media4.giphy.com/media/T9HgfTv4di5Ne/giphy.gif
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Is there anything more cancerous than people that play low pop?
>muh comfy 3 hour rounds!
>reeeee fucking antag ruining my low pop!
>low pop players are the best players because they're my metabuddies :)))
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>>175362194
this in reference to the double gunwiz rounds, or the clusterfuck double agent round earlier?
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>>175362194
I'm gonna kill you and the rest of the traitors and i'm gonna roleplay getting drunk for three hours straight while talking about my fictional family
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>>175362194
There's nothing funner than High Pop AI 3 hour rounds desu
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>>175362194
I enjoy the fact that we can have such wildly different rounds on the same server.
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>>175362726
*dies an hour into a three hour round and begs admins to bus them back in for two hours*
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>>175362194

nah, this isn't cancerous

high pop extended/vampire is most cancerous, it's should focus on team-based roles instead
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https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14762
god i hate pjb so muych
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>>175340540
Remember to always maintain a few borer eggs in xenobio as a borer to constantly maintain BORER SUPREMACY
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https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14757

the PR that saved /vg/
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>>175365152
>>175365795
>PJB downvoting and not merging unanimously agreed upon changes

still has his period from pipe layers I see
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>>175365152
>>175366070
Stop trying to make it personal, you guys ask why coders get all defensive, this is why coders get all defensive.
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>>175365795
>PJB3005 reacted with thumbs down emoji
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>>175353283
He needs to ask if it was valid
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>>175366189
but it is personal
PJB has made it personal himself by throwing bitchfits after every change he doesn't like/likes getting in/not getting in
he's also outspoken against the community
if he could learn to accept what people want like everyone did with attack animations it would be fine
but he's a pissy little bitch
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>>175366487

PJB is the new host, I assume?
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>>175366189
>spend hours coding
>make PR
>everyone approves it
>PJB doesn't
>doesn't get merged

>wasting my time coding for a dictatorship

no thanks
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PJB did nothing wrong
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>>175366189

>people votes for something
>coder refuses to merge it despite the majority of player wanting the feature

this is why /tg/ became TG with all the coders shitting on the community, anon
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>>175366597
It's not like pomf wants anything to do with this place and probe is pjb's butt buddy so yes the two most influential cunts in the server have almost all the powers the host does
faggot
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>>175352585
Kek
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>>175366597
His position is more similar to head coder at the moment. Host isn't a real position here since the host is completely divorced from the day to day.
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>>175366718
>defending straight up or down votes on PRs

Before you shitters ruined the github with your reddit tier upvoting and downvoting we had a little thing called compromise where people would hash out why they liked and disliked something and came to a mutual agreement.
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why is the game mode secret, I wanna join
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upvoted
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>>175367041
I did this for my PR, still won't be merged
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>>175367041

>Before you shitters ruined the github with your reddit tier upvoting and downvoting

why did that change anyway? who the fuck decided it's was alright to add in emoshits?
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>>175367041
>compromising
If a change is bad, the change is bad, no use compromising it if its shit in any aplied way, when its something good but not perfect people will say how to adapt it but otherwise removing it entirely is perfectly fine, emojis or not.
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>>175367356
and who decides if a change is bad? Let me take a wild guess here.. hrmm.. it's a tough one.. PJB? Am I right?
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Was the security thing voted upon and PJB is ignoring it?
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>>175367492
You mean the guy that religiously posts on reddit, is underaged, denounces the servers culture and 4chan, wanted to remove pipe layers(a feature unique to VG), gets to decide what's good and not good?

GASP

What a terrible server
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Why is PJB even alive?
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>>175367817
Passable diet, oxygen in the air, mostly functioning biological processes. One assumes anyway.
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>record scratch
>freeze frame
"Woah woah. You see that grey that looks like he's hit rock bottom right there? That's me, I bet you're wondering how I becane the biggest drug lord in the medbay. It all started in the summer of 86"
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>>175368163
>86
>current ingame year is 2561
>yahir is like 25 in game

???
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>>175367350
Github explicitly added the "reaction" system to kill discussion.
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>>175368317
It's yahir from 2586
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>>175368317
I can't help but giggle knowing this is either xev getting defensive over a shitpost or someone wanting to correct a bad meme
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>>175368603
I'm just autistic and it annoyed me that the timeline doesn't make sense, I'm not defensive
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>>175368163
Here lies
Yahir 'only I can valid' Keppelinger
He became the valid
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>>175368716
Hi xev.
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>>175369186
I'm NOT xevonix. Do NOT ever say that to my face again.
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>>175369454

Hi xenovix~
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>>175369501
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT

I AM NOT HIM I AM NOT HIM I AM NOT HIM I AM NOT HIM
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story from back when I was a newfag
>ling
>find yahir afk on the holodeck
>give in the succ
>disguise as him
>mingle with the crew in medbay
>act friendly towards some medbay sloot
>'Hey you're not Yahir, Yahir hates me!'
>get lynched by medbay sloot and 2 assistants

reminder that metafriends are for gabsorbing but not disguising
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>>175369575
Kill yourself underage
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>>175369720
If I'm underage how could I kill myself? Fucking retard
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>Not being below the age of consent to help bolster your purity points
Old people, there's no room in space for you! Make way for the youth of today!
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i used to play Val oth. Got sick of the constant autism as valid hunter. But I find it funny how xev act so cliquey around greys
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>>175369575

Okay xenovix!
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>>175369892
You were a decent tech anon, shame you validhunted so much.
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>>175369892
Plaguewalker can you seriously stop self shilling and self hating. I'm not sure if I should hate you or feel sorry for you.
>>175369856
Minimum age is 17 in ss13
Age of consent is 14
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>>175369892

who do you play as now? are you finally off the wild ride of namefags?
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>sneaky pen decap yahir
>light antagging, messing with sec after
>suddenly Nevill keeps asking over common "Where's Yahir?" over and over
>even though for the first 40 minutes of the round he was sitting silently in the bar
>get arrested for stealing crops from the chef
>Nevill runs into security whilst I'm being searched and says I killed yahir
>Officer beats me to death on the spot
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>>175369892
Fuck off plaguewalker
>>175370031
Fuck off yclat, I'd rather have plaguewalker.
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>>175370134

did you ahelp?
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>>175370134
did you ban request it?
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>>175370134
d i d y o u a h e l p i t
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>>175370230
>>175370273
>>175370312

Happened way back in 2016 but that was the last round I had antag flags turned on for this server
Nevill's permabanned now anyway
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>>175370134
holy fugg
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>>175370381

Nevill pretty much permabanned himself by acting like a shitter instead of asking for a ban, he's a pretty fun guy, but he really lacks the willpower to stop playing by himself, or ask someone to ban him

the sad part is that he still shitpost on the discord despite being banned
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>>175370381
I think he was unbanned.
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>sleepy pen and kill yahir
>stash him in a closet
>he spins chairs and leads nevill to the locker
>I panic and move yahir's body to a new locker
>nevill finds it with more chair spinning
>clones yahir
>yahir shouts as soon as he's cloned "HELP X IS TRAITOR"
>I get valid'd
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>>175367356
Not only is this objectively not true, it's a shitty mindset that ends up leaving most people unhappy.
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>>175370381
>Nevill's permabanned now anyway
not for long
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>>175370695

well, summer is coming so of course he's gonna come around and get himself unbanned

just watch out for nevill and yahir metagaming it up in plain sight
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>>175370548
>>175370695
He appealed and was denied, MrPain won't accept an appeal so he's banned for at least another 3 months
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>>175370809
Oh, well that's even better.
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There's nothing wrong with being in a skype call with your best friend and playing ss13 together to catch the antags.
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>>175371240
im going to grif u
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https://youtu.be/nDJzf5jqccw
this should play in maint
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There's nothing wrong with picking scabs off your scalp and eating them.
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>>175371442
Why does your scalp have scabs?
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>>175370087
Age on consent is 18, though.
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>>175371240
I've been playing SS13 with 2 or 3 friends over voip for years and nobody has even so much as said anything to me, the trick is to at least put in a little effort not to be so fucking obvious.
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>>175371689
Where does it say that
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This is xevs doing
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>>175370607
Gotta c4 it mate.

Unless Nevill was actively talking to Yahir saying "which way now?" and stuff.

In which case, ding dong bannu
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>>175372071
That's not his art style though, or his coloring style
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>they literally made a new nsfw channel because sawbones and kolith were banned from the only other one

whats the point in banning them then
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>>175372793
They were fags
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unable to join right now, something wrong with the server?
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>>175372793
When you escalate shit like this you have a much higher chance of being permabanned/deadminned
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HONK
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>>175367743
>wanted to remove pipe layers(a feature unique to VG)
That's not what the issue was, so you know.
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>dragonbro kills people using admin powers
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>>175374253
post to his feedback

or at least post evidence to the thread so we know you're telling the truth
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>>175374201
the "issue" was that people get high numbers from engineering, which would kill so many other things rather than just the one. And he provided no alternative.
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>>175374471
[10:12:48]ADMIN: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith) jumped to Harse Theef/(Felicity Rivera)
[10:12:59]ADMIN: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith) checked antagonists.
[10:13:01]ADMIN: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith) edited the Emergency Shuttle's timeleft to 1
[10:13:25]ADMIN: HELP: Harse Theef/(Felicity Rivera): thanks for gibbing me - heard by 2 non-AFK admins.
[10:13:28]ADMIN: Small_Boss/(Dragan Ivanovich) jumped to Harse Theef/(Felicity Rivera)
[10:13:55]ADMIN: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith) has created a command report: We apologize for the sudden and abrupt lurch forward in the flight plan, but we managed to find some plasma available for a short speed boost.

We hope you were keeping the landing zone clear.
[10:14:26]ADMIN: grenoire/(Grenoire) is a relatively new player, may consider watching them. AGE = 0 First seen = 0
[10:14:43]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith)->Harse Theef/(Felicity Rivera): You're welcome
[10:14:54]ADMIN: PM: Harse Theef/(Felicity Rivera)->DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith): Was it really you?
[10:15:17]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith)->Harse Theef/(Felicity Rivera): Yes, I'll own up to it now. Guilty of putting forward the landing time by about 2 minutes
[10:15:33]ADMIN: (gageman898/) started the game as a Chief Engineer.
[10:15:46]ADMIN: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith) : Seems viral mice do not work
[10:15:48]ADMIN: PM: Harse Theef/(Felicity Rivera)->DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith): This is the second time you killed me with admin shittery in less than a week
[10:15:59]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith)->Harse Theef/(Felicity Rivera): I've killed you?
[10:16:23]ADMIN: PM: Harse Theef/(Felicity Rivera)->DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith): first time you deleted the locker I was hiding in while antag and got be killed
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>>175375124
when are they gonna realise bringing dragonbro back was a dumb idea
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>>175375124
Explain why Harse was just standing where the shuttle would arrive for no reason.
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>>175375509
Just posting the logs, how would I know?
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who is the most hated player on the server?
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>>175375749
(You)
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>>175375749
(You)
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>>175375749
You
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>>175375749
Even the ones who are hated have some friends.
It's probably hard to pick just one of them out of all the shitters who have came and gone.
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>>175375124
to be fair, that doesn't look good for dragonbro. however harse is a waifu, so it's valid.
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>>175350396
>[08:25:15] Pomfs Special Boy PM to-IbexiSterlinfa/(Kaflina Viyachislev): "Ur fukked now boi"
>[08:38:26] Player PM from-IbexiSterlinfa/(Kaflina Viyachislev): Well, the point of my argument is my ic character would have said it like that in my mind. I wrote it like that purposefully to show an accent or a way of speaking in this manner
>[08:40:13] Pomfs Special Boy PM to-IbexiSterlinfa/(Kaflina Viyachislev): How do you pronounce fukked?
>[08:40:35] Player PM from-IbexiSterlinfa/(Kaflina Viyachislev): I personally would pronounce it as one syllable
>[08:41:26] Pomfs Special Boy PM to-IbexiSterlinfa/(Kaflina Viyachislev): I see. And how do you pronounce ur?
>[08:41:57] Player PM from-IbexiSterlinfa/(Kaflina Viyachislev): It's like without the y, like sorta like or but with a u
>[08:58:01] Player PM from-IbexiSterlinfa/(Kaflina Viyachislev): Who is to say that people don't talk with a southern accent in this lore

u tk him to da bar partner?
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>>175375749
Someone who's nice to everyone, so deep down everyone hates him and won't say.
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>>175376817
That'd be xevonix
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>>175377036
>xevonix
>nice to everyone
>>
stationeers
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>>175368163
Are you aralgean? Or is the shitty posting style catching on?
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>>175361686
>linking a gif
>on an imageboard
r u dumb m8
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>>175377461
Which part?
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>Kaylie Morgan is a latejoin captain
>still gets antag
IT
CAN'T
KEEP
HAPPENING
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>>175375749
whoever the fuck does the babies day out thing
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>>175375509
If there was two minutes left on the shuttle arriving its a pretty safe place to sit.
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>>175375749
You

Yahir
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>>175375124

>admins killing players just because they can.

hmmmmmm
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>>175375749
Bob Dylan!!!!!!!!!!
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>>175375124
Why was Harse standing there?
Why did dragonbro make the shuttle arrive faster knowing the person was there?
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>>175379185
It doesn't matter why he was, Dragonbro seems to be targeting him.
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[10:27:59]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith)->Wollet/(Wollet): Hey snub
[10:28:06]ADMIN: PM: Wollet/(Wollet)->DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith): sup fambly
[10:28:14]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith)->Wollet/(Wollet): why ya ban evadin?
[10:28:23]ADMIN: PM: Wollet/(Wollet)->DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith): bord on the weekend
[10:28:38]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith)->Wollet/(Wollet): just appeal it, my man. Log off now and I won't make a note of it.
[10:28:59]ADMIN: PM: Wollet/(Wollet)->DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith): i did appeal it got nope'd or i wouldn't
[10:29:11]ADMIN: PM: Wollet/(Wollet)->DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith): i thought you posted in the thread?
[10:29:44]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith)->Wollet/(Wollet): Not me. Sawbones, Kammer, and pain did
[10:30:16]ADMIN: PM: Wollet/(Wollet)->DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith): oh aight, but yeah, got noped, you wanna ban me or let it slide and see if i shit up the server again?
[10:30:34]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith)->Wollet/(Wollet): We're in a bit of a predicament there I'm afraid
[10:31:00]ADMIN: PM: Wollet/(Wollet)->DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith): well i wont declare ready and enter server, what you thinkin?
[10:31:04]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Urist McHammersmith)->Wollet/(Wollet): If I let it slide and let you play, that's me letting a ban evader out and about, one I know of
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Tell me about dragonbro, why does he rush the shuttle?
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>>175379364
>no bans
???
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>>175379364
that's okay, I ban evade all the time too.
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>>175379364
Between trying to protect ban evaders from the pain and this http://ss13.moe/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&p=19588&sid=18e43d3c7ff70ed4281305e9f926366c#p19588 I wonder how long dragonbro is going to last.
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>zealtron gets shit thrown at him for repeatedly going greytide as there's nobody adminning by dragonbro
>suddenly the thread is people digging up stuff about dragonbro to get him deadminned
hmmmm
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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>>175379364
>this gets posted to the thread
>zealotron bans him 2 minutes later
>harse posts logs against dragonbro in his feedback 20 minutes ago

It seems to me they're hitting everything they've got against dragonbro all at once. Ignore thread shitposters, dragonbro is a good admin. they want him deadminned so xevonix can be trialmin.
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>>175379908
He JUST murdered a player last round.
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>>175380007
Zealotron isn't friends with xevonix any more, you'll have to find someone else to blame.
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Remember when Pain told sawbones to stop causing beef with other admins
Remember when sawbones asked harse to suicide on a shuttle and blame dragonbro to further cause shit with admins?
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>>175380007
Sawbones JSG and horse are all in fucking bed with eachother. It's pretty thinly veiled when these niggers are posting in his feedback page eight after eachother.
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>>175380272
Remember when sawbones was permabanned for being definition of being cancer detrimental to the station?

How far we've come
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>>175379364
https://pastebin.com/09JBp815

You missed the bit where dragon explained what wollet should do
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Metaclub on suicide watch?
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Please do not mess with the users in the metaclub they will all jump on your dick as a group
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>dragonbro sees a ban evader
>calmly explains to them they should appeal with a recommendation from /tg/ if they want to be unbanned
>they accept and leave to go play on /tg/
>zealotron autistically screeches and bans him anyway
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>>175380385
that never happened
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>dragonbro metaclub defence party arrives in full force
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>>175380462
That's legit great admin behavior desu. Wish more of our admins were like that instead of just jumping for the banhammer.
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>>175380630
What is this a metagrudge list for ants?
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>>175380727
Ban Evading is against the rules you know. He was told exactly the same thing Dragonbro said to him in his ban appeal. http://ss13.moe/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3715
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>>175380810
Revising history isn't nice
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>>175380823
>a very obvious group of metabuddies is shitposting in the thread to sway opinion and influence adminship.
>surprised when people are disturbed by this
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Remember when sawbones got banned from a porn channel and cried and begged admins to unban him?
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>>175380940
Yeah, so why are you doing it?
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>>175380983
You do know Dragonbro was deadminned right? He can't control himself with his admin powers. He did it before and he's doing the same thing again.
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>>175381147
t. sawbones
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>Dragonbro is slowly becoming a worse admin than Kolith

What went wrong?
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>>175381081
Remember when Surfer B him TFO
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>>175381310
Nah, Kolith was godawful. Dragonbro is nowhere near his level
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>>175381310
>slowly
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>>175381147
I don't agree and I think that is a false narrative. I'm more inclined to agree with isaac on this issue and personally the amount of shit niggerbones continues to stir up with him still being an admin is more appalling to me.
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>>175381310
they didnt admin goldsteel
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>This is dumb you're correct
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>>175380007
>xevonix trialmin
Next you'll be saying make pootismaniac a trialmin.
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>>175381437
I'm curious, so we can't call admins out on being shitty because its the Sawbones boogyman?
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>>175381602
>Sawbones shittalks dragonbro a few days ago
>Told "stop doing that" by mrpain
now fast forward to now
>Sawbones' friend posts a wall of logs against dragonbro
>(((somebody))) posts logs showing dragonbro didn't ban a guy instantly for ban evading
>Sawbones bans that guy minutes later (this shows that sawbones is active on the thread during all the dragonbro shitposting)

It's clear what's happening, it's thread shitposting against dragonbro by sawbones and pals.
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>>175381602
We have no reliable way to anonymously file complaints against admins. It has to be done publicly. While this does help stem the tide of potential shitposting, people actively avoid being singled out for fear of getting banned themselves down the road for starting drama. I like sawbones as a person very much, but why and how the FUCK is he still an admin?
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>>175381405
I'm pretty new to the server, what did he do wrong? It just seems like he made some rookie mistakes as an admin and everyone hated him.
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>>175381986
Because he hasn't really done anything wrong.
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>>175381989
It was "rookie mistakes" over and over again, and he's a cunt in the discord meaning nobody likes him.

Everyone knows he only got admin because his friend Mustardtiger was the head of trialmins at the time, Mustard even stepped down right after Kolith got trialmin since his job was finished.
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>>175381989
He abused his admin powers as a trialmin and people thought he was a fag and a shitter. More people only started more openly hating him because he showed that he is just an awful person and is constantly trying to start drama and just overall NOT good for this community

why he hasn't been banned from everything already is beyond me
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Have any of the older failed 3D SS13 remakes open source their graphics?

I just started working on a 3D remake with 3 other developers and 3 3D modelers, could use some placeholder models.
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>>175381814

So Harse is in on it too? Is that why when he was killed by dragonbro him the first time this week, Harse went out of his way to forgive him and tell him that he wasn't gonna make a deal of it?
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>>175381989
He posted the bee movie script as a ban reason and fucked up the ban page.
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>>175381986
If you look at I think Solarious's ban request, Zealotron used a vpn to file it.
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>>175381437
Dragonbro has consistantly made mistakes. This kind of behaviour, killing antags and players 'accidentally' or for no reason isn't new for him. Just read back through his feedback.
Turns out the last time he was forcefully deadminned wasn't the first either.
His mistakes might be 1/100, but they occur at a higher rate than other admins. Maybe it's because he's online more, but that's a conscious choice he's making. He isn't obligued to admin for hours a day, being an admin is voluntary, but he does it anyway and it leads to these mistakes.
To me, it feels like he's trying to do more thans expected of him, which would be a good thing if he could hold it down, but he doesn't.
Even last year when he would consistantly do some of the funnest adminbusses, he would undo the respect I gained for him quickly after by doing stupid shit with his admin powers.
I'm not affiliated with sawbones in any way, but Dragonbro is just a big double edged sword when it comes to being an admin.
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>>175382176
One look at past issues on the forums paints a much different picture. Everything he has been involved in has been needlessly controversial.
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>>175382293
So he forgived dragonbro and now he brings it up again and makes a huge deal out of it, when he wasn't even an antag this time and the round ended 3 minutes later?

Harse is friends with Zealotron, they ran an EVE: Online guild together. Harse has no reason to make a big deal out of this thing, except that it paints dragonbro in a negative light, something her friend zealotron wants.
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>>175382480
Admins shouldn't randomly kill players.
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Does anyone have any pictures or anything of the shit sawbones has apparently been starting with other admins as well?
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>>175382480
>her
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>>175382540
I agree, but this last time seemed like an accident in an attempt to speed up a boring round and end it. Harse wasn't an antag and is half to blame for flying around in the shuttle area with a jetpack.

It's just suspicious that Harse cares about this time but didn't care about last time when dragonbro killed her in the middle of her antag round.
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>>175382480

Maybe they just don't want to see a habit of them being killed over and over by an admin?
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>>175382585
niggly, dragonbro, and probe.
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>>175382743
>I agree, but this last time seemed like an accident in an attempt to speed up a boring round and end it.
Dragonbro admitted it was a deliberate attempt to shuttleslam people.
>It's just suspicious that Harse cares about this time but didn't care about last time
One time's an accident, two is a pattern.
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>>175382321
>zealotron used a vpn to file it

proof now
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>>175382943
"It was not aimed specifically at you, neither was the locker incident."

Where did he admit it was a deliberate attempt to shuttle slam people?
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>>175383224
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>>175383224
"2 minutes left to the shuttle, 2 hours 43 minutes round time, several people dawdling around in the shuttle docking area like kids playing football on an airport, so sped up the shuttle."
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http://ss13.moe/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3720&start=10

>If you have a problem with another admin you either work it out in private or you take it up with me. I can't have admins constantly being caustic to one another, it hurts the server.

>Admins who keep doing this shit are going to get the rope, and it's really stupid because it doesnt need to happen to begin with. Show some maturity
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>Bleach IRL
>NaClO
>bleach in spess
>ammonia plus water plus salt plus oxygen

coders will defend this
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>>175383543
It's a player having a problem with an admin
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>>175383309
Later on he says he messaged probe right after the round and explained what he did. He knew he made a mistake and is owning up to it.

What a nice guy :)

>>175383630
>get killed as a non-antag 5 minutes before the round ends
>waaah deadmin he

why are our new players such babies
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>>175383762
He has a history of banning himself if he screws up.

He was trying to put himself in a better light. Look at this ban history, a lot of bans from himself. He does it to get a lighter punishment.
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>>175383762
t. DragonBro/cuck
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>>175383621
I think the "science" behind this is that the ammonia makes "ozone" in a bottle (O3) and then the ozone reacts with the salt.
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>>175322045
CAN YOU OUT BORE STEALTH DRAC?
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How about this

>remove dragonbro's flags for bussing
>deadmin zealotron for starting drama again
>give goldsteel admin

everyone wins :D
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>>175384280
go back to working for NASA goldsteel
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>>175384320
FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING CHRIST I DONT WORK FOR NASA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>175384381
what did nasa say?
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>>175384440
THEY SAID FUCK OFF
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Quick
>fuck
>marry
>kill
>turn into a boy
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Why can't we have both Security and Peacekeeper borgs?

I know that some people want to play as a Security Cyborg, to work hand-in-hand with security to help in apprehending those that would damage the station, harm it's crew, or in any other way work against NT's interests.
Find some Cultists making runes? "Attention HoS, I have detected a potentially dangerous cult on the station, these are their names I have bolted them in and will reccuse myself to prevent being used by them"
These people want security borgs, because it is more fun and interesting to take on the challenge of stopping antags and ending the round peacefully. There is a sense of purpose and duty to this role, which is very fun to roleplay as the metal-clad lawbringer. Who doesn't want to be Robocop? *law

There are also people who want to play as a Peacekeeper Cyborg. You are not beholden to security, the law does not matter to you in the slightest, the intentions of all humans are implicitly good and can be trusted, so you simply roll around making the station a safer space for all crewmembers. Find some Cultists making runes? "Clean up when you're done please! Try not to harm anyone and have a safe day! "
The people want Peacekeeper borgs, because it is more fun and interesting to them to let rounds play out naturally, potentially prolonging the excitement by willingly assisting humans on both sides of the conflict by preventing harm to the other. There is a sense of freedom to this role, you no longer have to worry about who to trust or who is antag, you don't have to make enemies by doing arrests, you simply do as you're told, be a friend to everyone and keep everyone safe the best you can.


These two styles of play are very different and both attribute positive qualities to a round, and until now people have played SecBorg however they choose, but the sides have been clashing lately.
So instead of playing this sleeping beauty color tug-of-war, lets just have both?
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This is from November 2016

[09:33:34]ADMIN: HELP: Zealotron/(Zealotron): do i play or do i admin - heard by 3 non-AFK admins.
[09:33:51]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Bob Ross)->Zealotron/(Zealotron): When you play you're cancer, and when you admin you don't, so either which way nobody wins
[09:33:58]ADMIN: PM: SerWind/(Millhouse)->Zealotron/(Zealotron): play
[09:34:09]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Zealotron)->DragonBro/(Bob Ross): jesus christ
[09:38:36]ADMIN: MOD: SerWind/(Millhouse) : were you memeing db or do you hate the bones?
[09:39:36]ADMIN: MOD: DragonBro/(Bob Ross) : Sorry, needed to get that off my chest a little
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>>175384613
I want to marry strawberrytan IRL!
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This is from February 2017

[17:29:28]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera)->DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera): You're a Rivera too?
[17:29:36]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera)->DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera): welcome to the clan
[17:30:27]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera)->Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera): I don't like or want to be associated with any group you may be in, but thank you
[17:30:33]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera)->DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera): rude
[17:31:08]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera)->DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera): oh is that why you're not an admin anymore, you decided to go off in a terrible way to protest
[17:31:17]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera)->Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera): Eh?
[17:31:28]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera)->DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera): i see your endgame buddy
[17:31:57]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera)->DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera): purposely get deadminned to make a statement i feel you
[17:32:35]ADMIN: PM: DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera)->Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera): Naah, I was deadminned because nobody else was on and I had to handle my own shit
[17:37:52]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Conner O'Sawbones Rivera)->DragonBro/(Felicity Riviera): tfw u will never have a girl be touchy with u in the dark alleyway while u wait for metaclub hitsquads to take ur life
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>>175384613
Harse kill
Sala Kill!
Strawberry killkill
Avada KILL!!
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>>175384860
He's not wrong, Sawbones is shit every time he plays and he's a meme when he admins.
I dont understand why such a shit player got to become an admin
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Discord metabuddies need to fucking hang
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>>175385054
>[15:00:07]ADMIN: HELP: Harse Theef/(Tengu): just a heads up that someone joined as Felicity for some reason and to no boink me if they doing something stupid - heard by 3 non-AFK admins.

>dragonbro started impersonating Harse's static for a whole day
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>>175384613

fuck strawberry
marry harse
kill avada
turn salamandooo into a cute boy!
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>>175385249
Make a deadmin request?
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>>175385705
Yeah buddy time to deadline request and get shit posted about til rule 0. Great idea.
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>>175385834
never happened in the past has it?
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>>175385834
wimp
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>>175385705
Sawbones wont get deadminned even though he is the biggest mistake known to man. He will rule 0 and shitpost about you with his meta buddy group. He got to admin with memes and his buddies, he wont leave now.
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>>175385834
Post all of your evidence into the thread then, I'll make the deadmin request on the forums for you if you actually have evidence that is bad and hasn't been posted to his feedback page before.
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>>175381989
He's an infiltrator from a roleplay server that's constantly trying to astroturf shit for no reason.
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>>175386619
>kolith
>roleplayer

He's TG
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>>175386462
The only valid deadmin against sawbones would be a rule 0, which is a conglomerate of many greatly discussed incidents that he has never been punished for.
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>>175384856
The idea is to have both, but only when they have the appropriate lawset, robocop if you want secborgs, asimov for peacekeepers who would gladly *ping and trundle away if it saw cultists around runes, but would arrest the entire bar if they get fighty.
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>>175383762

They are soft and a bunch of babies. I honestly hope the admins man up and ban Harse for this bullshit. She is just a whiny little girl who shits up the server and clearly likes making up this sort of drama. Good fucking riddance.
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>>175386847
>Peacekeepers who would arrest
No, I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make. Peacekeeper borgs don't make arrests, they could even have their cuffs taken away and replaced with a cookie dispenser. They just stop harm as they witness it and try to get people to get along with each other.

And no, fiddling with lawsets isn't a solution to this problem. The vast majority of silicon players do not like the Robocop lawset, but even if hypothetically everyone who wanted to play Security Borg did want that, that means that SecBorgs and Peacekeepers could not be in the same round at the same time.

Again, I don't understand why we need to have one or the other. Just make two separate modules and everyone will be happy. While you're at it give the secborgs a WOOP WOOP light and make a HARM ALARM for the peacekeepers
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>>175386847
>Still forcing people to play in ways they dont want to
thats the whole reason we are having this fight in the first place
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the fucking playing screen goes black after 2 seconds of playing. I have no idea what the fuck to do about this.
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>>175384856
Fuck secborgs

Security is in our hands and Borgs have no hands, therefore they cannot protect the station.
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>>175388479
You're not helping
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>>175388696
Move along, fellow crewmember.
Let me worry about the antags.
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What are some good science fiction books/animes I can consume to fill my science fiction itch whilst away from ss13?
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>>175387909
Lawsets are the only way it will work, you don't join the security team when you pick the secborg module, that's the mindset that caused the renaming in the first place.
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>>175388808
SPACE LAW OR YOU'RE NOT A BROTHER OF SEC
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>people talking about roleplay when we are a no rp server
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>>175389081
no rp is literally against the rules
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It should be a server rule that you have to state in LOOC that you are about to begin your attack.

Its not fair that on a light RP server some one can bait you into typing a response and then 1 shot kill you before you even have a chance to close the chat box.
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>>175389175
I stopped collecting but its just memes
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>>175388808
Look the point here is we need to learn compromise. There are nearly equal people on both sides of whether cyborgs should or should not have a role in hunting valids. And even if those who think they should are a minority, we live in a community where all minorities are vocal ones coughpjbcough, so we need to respect their opinions and find a compromise that makes both parties happy, otherwise they're going to just do their best to shit up the stuff we like while we shit up the stuff they like and nobody is happy.

Just give everyone what they want, it's really that easy. This station's community insists on making every situation into an all-or-nothing, win/lose scenario and then wonders why there is so much drama when so many people are being screwed out of what they want from the game. We have got to stop doing that.
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>>175389081
low rp is NOT no rp
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>>175389269
>chat box
hotkey pleb can't type while yakkety saxing
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Was harse the only one crushed by the shuttle?
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>>175389048
I am one of the elite few. Nameless, but merciless to the enemies of nanotrasen.
I seek not to be recognized by my glorious deeds, as they are no more than my duty to the inhabitants of the station.
With space law as my holy scripture I shall ensure none defy the will of glorious nanotrasen
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>>175389364
yes.
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>>175389289
compromise by cutting secborgs AI synch wires, then setting them and only them to robocop.
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>>175389024
But the thirst for valids isn't going away, and it's not just from those who play silicon. Personally I always prefer playing as a peacekeeper, but because of my title I have had people furious that I am not making arrests, or ordering me to make arrests. Now with the Peacekeeper title I've seen the opposite, players who choose to use more logical approaches to potential harm being hated on for doing what they thing is an apropriate action.

I still haven't heard one reason why we can't have both modules and names, just for RP sake if nothing else.
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>>175389556
Was harse the only one milling around in that area?
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>>175389668
We have both, the hugborg one is dug up via xenoarch.
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>>175388808
can someone change the text to say "gentle deconversion"
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>>175389730
No, a miner was there to but he got out of the way like 10 seconds before
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>>175389571
Tbh senpai anyone who thinks uploading Robocop to anything but a toaster is either new to space or just ignorant, it is far worse than Asimov. Watch Robocop. He literally kills the people who programmed him, which is almost always how Robocop will play out in rounds if borgs are following the laws explicitly
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>>175389786
Sounds like he just used (follow) to jump to a weird emote. Dumb place for people to stand.
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>>175390292
Probably yeah. What does "pops >her lips" even mean?
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>>175389394
no, no being a fanatic, you are not above others, you are to carry out space law mostly indiscriminately
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>>175390371
You know that thing you (or if not then other people) sometimes do after applying lipstick or lipbalm?
I think that's what it means
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>/vg/ admins still haven't evolved past "lol i kill u" level bus

I thought we were better than this
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>>175389282
against the rules
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>>175388147
If you don't want to be forced to play in a certain way, don't choose to play as a silicon.
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>>175384856
Either way they're still a colossal inconvenience for everybody else. AI included.
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>>175390748
In what way?
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>>175384856
>"Attention HoS, I have detected a potentially dangerous cult on the station, these are their names I have bolted them in and will reccuse myself to prevent being used by them"
This. This is why there shouldn't be sec borgs. This is shitty silicon play.
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>>175390853
In every way imaginable.
They don't fucking listen and rove around looking for excuses to fuck with people regardless of the lawset.
Literally unstunnable gun-clowns with access and z e r o accountability.
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>>175391341
Post logs of an instance where that happened
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>>175391548
I think you're confused.
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Ohaiyo
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>>175392091
you have a dick
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dragon to be reviewed by probe and pain, will this end in a deadmin? tune in next week
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>>175322045
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>>175392416
Don't worry, I've paid pain enough pomfcoins to deadmin dragonbro.
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>>175392091
marry me
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>Amari Ray doesn't commit suicide round start
>gee wonder if that means he got his antag roll
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>>175393006
im not who u tink i am.
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>>175322918
FUND IT
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>>175392091
I miss you
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>>175393339
>>175393339
I miss you too whoever you are
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>wreckless.
MR PAIN CONFIRMED ILLITERATE
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>start getting weird messages
>go hide in maint for 10 minutes because I Think I'm about to burst into a blob
>check the code, and it's an effect of a xenoarch artifact
did anyone else do this
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>>175393545
I just went and chilled in maint, playing videogames.
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>>175393107
If you notice a consistent pattern of suiciding on no-antag, make a ban request and they'll get antagbanned prolaby.
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>>175393490
the more I play, the more I realize the entire game is run by kids that are probably half my age
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>>175392091
moshi moshi whos this
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>>175393602
or in the case of PJB, 1/3rd my age
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>>175393746
Some old waifu used that to post on the thread
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>>175384856
Those who wish to be the latter can simply ignore Security personnel as a secborg. Silicons are not beholden to anything but their lawset and their AI. A secborg is free to shun Security and cut non-harming antags slack just as a mining borg is free to shun mining and hang out in the bar instead.

On the other hand, those who wish to be the former are actively hindered by the attempt to disassociate them from Security personnel, as well as the current stigma against silicons adhering to Space Law even when doing so would not violate their silicon laws.

Of course we could have both, but it would be a little strange to have two modules differentiated only in name.
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>>175394034
post ckey or get out
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>>175394089
morena
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>>175394496
liar
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>>175394774
no its morena
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>>175393545
>put scary artifact in toxin storage
>multiple doctors ask about it
>bring it to escape and touch it a few times
>"DID THAT THING JUST MAKE ME DEAF?"
>deny it
>it makes me mute, fat, colorblind, and gives me jumps on the shuttle
Sorry miner
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>>175393279
>BOO HOO THE CHEMIST MADE PILLS IN MULTIPLE SIZES
>BOO HOO THE CHEMIST DIDN'T COLOR CODE THE PILLS SO IT'S VISUALLY MORE APPEALING

Fuck off m8
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>>175384856
we did have that on april fools once. it was fucking terrible. you were pretty much unable to do anything since you had no way to stop anyone with flash immunity (ie most people who do harm) without harming them and harming is illegal by default. even if you can harm them they sucked at that too.
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>>175391341
Why is that bad though?
asking as a non-silicon player
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>>175399037
cause it's valid hunting, the 'cultist' haven't broken any of the silicons laws

if the silicon wanted to prevent any case of 'potential harm' they'd fucking call the shuttle at roundstart
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>>175399286
The shuttle arriving is the greatest cause of human harm.
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>>175399037
Can you really not tell why a borg with no laws to stop a seemingly non agressive cult is bad? Can you really not put two and two together and realize that the fun of the station being fucked up, the strugles as the round antagonist create are gone the second the all acess ranged stun machine decides to validhunt when it has no laws to do so at all?

It makes extended when it could have been something fun and interesting. Extended and no antags can be fun, it often is but forcing it is not fun for anyone and doing so as a borg, something few antags can reliably stop on cqc, is stupid as fuck, its essentially cheesing the round.
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>>175399360
only if you're harsethief apparently
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>>175399037
Silicons are meant to be a neutral party unless their laws say otherwise.
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>>175399412
The big flaw that I find with secborg in general is asimov.
The problem with asimov and secborg is that all it take is Gryffon McGreyshirt to simply order the borg to release, and the borg will be FORCED to do so.
It's just pointless to have secborg when that very law fuck their entire concept up.

I'm not the Anon you're replying to and I also do not think secborgs should be lawless either, but fuck man.
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Can we do something about traitor AIs? They already have malf, why give them more excuses to blasma?
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>>175399286
>the 'cultist' haven't broken any of the silicons laws
Silicons are free agents, their laws and AI only serve to bind them.
A silicon is allowed, if it feels like it, to perform an action not explicitly mandated by its laws, as long as doing so does not violate its laws.
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>>175391495
Do your part and ahelp that behavior. There is very little leniency on silicon bans, and shitters who act that way ruin the role for everyone. Even if you're unsure about the situation ahelp anyways to bring the player to admin attention so they can keep an eye on their silicon play in the future.

They aren't gunclowns, they are tools to be used by crewmembers. All other cyborg types have a specific job or role that typically keeps them busy, but this is the only one that's solely focused on preventing harm and helping the crew and nothing else. There are hundreds of applications a crewmember, antag or otherwise, can put a cyborg to good use for, and that is the reason this role exists.

>>175391341
I agree with you completely, but there are people who feel that is the way secborg is meant to operate, and until server rules say otherwise there is still an allowable amount of interpretation to lawsets to allow people to play characters how they see fit.
I have been lectured more than once by players and once by an admin that "Cyborgs are programmed to recognize serious threats to NT like the syndicate and cults and are expected to act accordingly," This is because I treat cultists, wizards and ops with the same polite and helpful way I treat crewmembers, and through my inaction am causing certain harm on the station.
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>>175395348
ur bad
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>>175399784
That's why they're PEESKEEPURS now.
>>175399836
And carbons get what is it, five excuses to bomb the station?
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>>175399784
You would be surprised at the number of criminals too dumb to think about ordering their release.
They can also arrest nonhuman criminals just fine.
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Just make it so peacekeeper/secborg isn't available until code blue. Only shitters go sec at start anyway.
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What if there was an addition to the end of law 2 where the borg should follow the chain of command in regards to conflicting orders instead of listening to whichever order was most recently given?
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>>175399963
>That's why they're PEESKEEPURS now.
Yes I understand that, I'm just saying that should secborg come back, something should be made in order for them to actually perform their roles.
I personally think that a way of fixing it is that every borgs, according to their departments, only have to answers orders given by workers from said department.
For exemple a secborg only have to answer to security, a medical borg to medical staff, and so on, but I also know that fucking with laws never amount to anything good so I never really proposed it.

>>175399986
That's because the most common criminal is just some greyshit who think he's hotshit by breaking into cargo, but it doesn't change the fact that as long as secborg have to answers every orders given, they're practically pointless.
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>>175399784
This is why Asimov is the default though, borgs shouldn't start in command/sec's pocket or it unbalances things.
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>>175399784
Anon you answered here, borgs have never been made to be infalible anon, laws have always been made to be exploited, generally sec borgs tend to be fags anyhow so its not like it matters.

In my opinion, "peacekeepers" is just as stupid as "secborgs", because peacekeepers will not keep the peace anyhow, and rarely will secborgs be true secborgs, so really, just exploit them, they were dumb as fuck for picking sec anyways.
>>175400201
That is such a shit idea, its just giving captains and higher ups free authority in a equalitarian lawset.
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>>175400319
>borg sees me with egun
>tazes and arrest me
>tell it I'm not going to do human harm and to let me go
>it does
>kill it

kek
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>>175400319
If a secborg feels like it is being ineffectual due to its lawset, it is still free to assume the role that peacekeeper borgs currently have i.e. harm patrol. Nothing compels a secborg to follow Space Law if it doesn't wish to.

However, for those that would like to attempt to assist Security, even in spite of their weakness, why should they not be allowed to, as long as they don't violate their silicon laws?
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>>175400201
That would solve some problems, but ruin the point of asimov. The laws are flawed intentionally as it allows for interesting gameplay.
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>>175400638
Also remember ahelp shitcurity that scream at asimov borgs to help them do harm and try to blow eem.

If sec wants murder droids, change the laws.
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>>175400201

Then it is basically just NT default, but without the dumb "keep the station safe" law that no one follows anyways.
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>>175399784
>the problem is is Asimov
That is literally the entire point. It's the whole point Asimov was trying to make when he wrote them, that cyborgs are a mistake, that true Artificial Intelligence will always be dangerously flawed and untrustworthy.
Read his work, please. The situation that these flaws create is exciting and compelling, which is why it fits so well on our station.
SS13 silicons are in no way intended to be perfect or flawless, they are a simply a dynamic element that can change any round for better or worse. Just do the best you can to be smart about situations, and ahelp it when a borg is being shit. Examples include
>Ignoring your orders to leave the scene in hopes the greyshirt will give him an order to stun you
>Intentionally goading people into giving him shitty orders
>Using any amount of convoluted logic to dispute orders on the grounds of potential harm "Records state that security has a history of mistreating prisoners aboard the station, thus I compute the chances of him being harmed if I bring him in for questioning are very high"

Options for you to circumvent the flaws that Asimov can present in dire situations include
>Cyborg please go help the botanist for five minutes
>Go open and close the door to the bar nineteen times
>Please turn off your radio and PDA messenger while you do those things
>Please go to sleep for a few moments, I will wake you when I need you

The fact that dragging now damages people presents the unique situation that borgs can no longer drag away injured prisoners without harming them, so if you really want to get meta bash mcgreyshit in the crotch twice when the borg isn't looking and he can't help him escape. But honestly, on the whole? You just need to accept that it's just going to happen sometimes. Don't get so salty over not getting muh arrest valids, and learn to go with the flow of the round, even if it's frustrating or chaotic. That's just spess, baby.
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>>175400638
At this point in the debate the real reason that is frowned upon is it degrades the round quality. Take the example posted in the beginning, the borg isn't breaking any of its laws, but it has completely fucked over the cult and the round will likely be extended from that point on. Silicons are extremely powerful when on either side of the crew v antag fight, with all access, near total view of the station and a lot of other benefits, so unless their laws are changed by a head or antag, they should err on the side of neutrality so there's less of an imbalance and more fun.
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>>175401270
Borgs who don't realize they cannot win and try as hard as they can to win miss the point of being borg. You aren't here to win, you wont be able to follow your laws perfectly, especially as assimov, someone is going to get hurt and you will miss it but I see new borg players try their hardest to "win" when borg is a "lose" role.

You go with the flow, you try to follow your laws but as a assimov borg, you shouldn't have a mental shutdown and go maximum HARMS, you follow your laws and just enjoy the chaos that inevitably comes, you are a nigh unstoppable bot but often you wont win, not even close, so the best borgs realize "fuck it, lemme enjoy the chaos and stupidity, im not going to win so I might aswell enjoy the ride till Im blown"

Its bizarre really, the best way to "win" is to not try to win but to enjoy losing.
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>>175399936
stay mad shitter
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>>175390056
But why do they enforce Space Law with lethal force when it was neither authorized by Space Law nor an appropriate punishment under Space Law?
(EX: Doorshocking a guy who was hacking into the tele room to death even though you had secborgs and a security force.)
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>>175401985
Because they are shitters who think they are in NT default. Ahelp if a borg kills a suspect without proof or captains approval for execution.
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>>175401709
Why make it specific to secborgs, though? A standard borg, for example, would be just as capable of doing those things, if it wanted to.

If you want silicons to always leave antags alone unless their laws command them otherwise, then you should just say that and apply it equally to all silicons.
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>>175401270
You're misunderstanding my intentions.
I do not seek for borg to be perfect, nor do I want them to be the perfect valid hunter either.

What I'm trying to discuss is that while it's perfectly fine, and that I also think it's for the best, that borgs and their lawset are flawed, I'm merely pointing out that it does not validate the reasonment of "borgs are to be flawed on purpose so let's make one of them completely useless", because that's what the security cyborg is, completely useless, and as a matter of fact, a weakness to security as a whole because the arrested crew-member can order the borg to arrest or sabotage security members in order to escape or just being a shithead in general.

Allowing security cyborg to only listen to Security staff orders wouldn't make them any of these perfect salad hunter you're thinking of, it'll only allow them to just perform their jobs.
>Wouldn't that make security as a whole overpowered?
How would it? If a security member gives orders to a borg to run free as non antag they're just gonna pay for it all the same as a non antag assistant ordering the AI to kill the voxes.

It also wouldn't make them equivalent to malf-round borgs since, while only slaved by their AI and security, they still have to follow the rest of their laws, that is preventing harm in any way shape or form and protecting their own existence as long as it doesn't conflict with the other laws.
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>>175402126
That applies to all borgs, and the AI yes. Secborgs are singled out as they are the module most picked for validhunting.
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>>175402098
I swear, it seems like any non-Asimov borg are not even held to the standard of their own lawset. A few days ago I had a secborg harmbaton a mime to death for "damaging cell windows" when the action he was taking was causing literally no physical damage to the windows.
This would indicate that some who play as secborgs are neither capable of following a robust ruleset (Space Law) nor a simple guideline (Silicon Laws).
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>>175402535
>That applies to all borgs, and the AI yes.
Is this policy stated anywhere else?
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>>175399963
>And carbons get what is it, five excuses to bomb the station?
AIs have both the malf gamemode and the opportunity for subversion by malevolent agent in many many rounds.
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>>175402642
I have grown to hate NTdef for that reason, breaking a law to enforce a higher importance one should only be done where no action can be taken that would not break any.
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Do you guys prefer character anim or item anim for attacks?
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>>175389289
Well I don't think giving everyone what they want is possible here. As other people have mentioned, secborgs have all access, and are stun proof to a *lot* of different antag stuns (cult sleeper, vamp glare and scream, sting a ling ling baby). If you have secborgs as your officers and you're on NT, they're basically superior to humanoid officers in every conceivable way which I see an issue because it raises the question of "Well, then why ever play as an officer if I can play as a secborg? The more of us there are on the security force, the more likely they are to set it to NT for us."
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>>175402982
Probably in the how to guides, its brought up in the AI guide at least, summed up as:
Absolutely Goddamn Terrible :

HAL9000 : DAVE JUST EMAGGED A DOOR HE IS BOLTED IN CATCH HIM QUICK.
Very Bad :

HAL9000 : Dave is the traitor.
Fair :

HAL9000 : Dave is breaking into the Captain's Quarters.
Better :

HAL9000 : Someone is currently breaking into the Captain's Quarters.
Mike : Who ?
HAL900 : Dave.
Best :

Mike : Where the hell did my spare go ?
HAL9000 : It is gone.
Mike : AI, do you know anything about this ?
HAL9000 : Yes.
Mike : Alright, who broke into my office ?
HAL9000 : Dave did.
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>>175402513
>Allowing security cyborg to only listen to Security staff orders wouldn't make them any of these perfect salad hunter you're thinking of, it'll only allow them to just perform their jobs.
>implications
Anon, what in the fuck are you smoking when you say something as stupid as this, because I think you need to do some detox, whatever shit you are taking is fucking your brain up.

Sec falls under three categories, hitlers, people who only think about law and don't act like humans and reasonable sec. Reasonable sec is much, much more rare than the previous two are and often you would get borgs arresting people that did at best 3 minute worthy crimes at the least and at worst, what you just did was make sure Nigger Hitler the HoS can command a legion of sec borgs with impunity and powertrip.

Sec borgs ARE made to be shit under assimov. They are night unkillable, robust as fuck, fast ranged and melee threats that can only get fucked by a cqc item, a nearly secret powergay item and ions that nobody uses, you do NOT under any circumstance make shit like borgs obey only to higher authorities, that just leads to NT default but without the "valid upon window breaking" clause, and we all know how fucking awfull NT default is, you just want to make it so sec borgs are now fully independant borgs who cannot be told off by anyone and arest people, usualy for minor shit, you just want nothing else but a validhunting machine, that is what you want, for a sec guy to say "go patrol maint and arest anyone suspicious there" and get the valids in 15 minutes, and with no counter orders or valid order givers, you just created a validhunting machine.

You dont know what the fuck you are doing when you say shit like "only sec can order them" because you dont seem to know borg players, they will exploit shit as much as humanly possible, they WILL do like I just said when they are unleashed and with no sort of controling voice, they will do nothing but validhunt.
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can someone explain who sarca is, he seems like an ass but all I've seen him do is shitpost, is he a 2hotdogs type guy or an ex-admin?
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>>175403040
Or they can be lawed to suicide by the same methods. Anyway, tator AIs interest me because there's no obvious tell that the AI's dirty compared to malf or subversion, which are generally trivial for me to bop.
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>>175403497
>ai open door

>I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that, I'm on robocop
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>>175403993
Yes thats fine, specific lawsets call for different mindsets. Tyrant best mindset
>ai open the door

>ANY BEING WORTH EXISTING CAN OPEN THEIR OWN DOORS. DO NOT BOTHER ME WITH SUCH TRIFLES AGAIN WORM
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>record scratch
>freeze frame
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>>175403830
if I'm being honest sec borgs have very rarely helped me as an officer, and for pure convenience sake I never want a borg on the team
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What do Vox taste like?
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>Yotsuba B
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>>175404413
Salty milk and coins.

Or do you mean the meat?
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>>175400829
I don't care that the laws are contradictory.

I care that admins refuse to make a ruling on HOW contradictions should be resolved.

It makes it impossible to predict AI/borg behavior.

If a person asked to be set free from the brig for theft, and security says no, depending on who is playing AI, you could get any of the following responses on Asimov:

>Fine (opens door)
>No, I received a conflicting order to keep you in the brig, and I choose to follow that one.
>No, you may harm someone if I let you out because you're a criminal

See, some AIs will decide conflicting orders should be resolved by following orders in the order they were received, some take conflicting orders to mean they can now do either as they please, and still others try to follow command regardless.

We need a final, permanent ruling for how to respond to conflicting orders.

I don't want to see AIs just tell people "lol no security overrules you" or "lol it might lead to harm eventually because reasons"
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>>175401006
>Be peacekeeper Its Up To You, Buddy
>Bump into Cult early on and they are very polite to me
>Ask me to help them with a few innocent things
>Security finds out about the cult
>GET THE CULTISTS SO WE CAN EXECUTE THEM
>Security keeps beating cultists in the hallways and I keep having to save them while security yells at me
>Security refusing to learn from their mistakes and cultists smartly hiding all their harm from me
>Cult major victory
>End of round OOC explodes about GRIFF BORG BAN HE
>Ahelps from the round were a gold mine
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>>175404575

>>No, you may harm someone if I let you out because you're a criminal

This is absolutely not allowed. Ahelp anyone that does this. I've personally been banned for preventing the release of two crew members who wanted to kill each other, because blatant threats only count as potential harm, not immediate harm.
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>>175403896
He's both. Ex-headmin who is insane and once he stepped down he began leading a solo-shitposting campaign against the server, pomf and the admins in an attempt to discredit them and control the server from the shadows.
He was hardcoded permabanned for the shit he tried to pull.
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>>175404575
>>No, you may harm someone if I let you out because you're a criminal
That's very much silicon bannable if you didn't harm people and they're Asimov.
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>>175404575
Potent harm is still a huge issue. For example, the minimum punishment for escaping from the permabrig is solitary pending execution, so if an AI obeyed a Law 2 to release a perma prisoner, you can clearly see the chain of events that results in human harm. Yet you're still acting on potent ham here
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>>175404794
What about releasing humans from perma when the minimum punishment for escaping perma is solitary pending execution
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>>175403830
>Sec borgs ARE made to be shit under assimov. They are night unkillable, robust as fuck, fast ranged and melee threats that can only get fucked by a cqc item, a nearly secret powergay item and ions that nobody uses

That's just plain untrue, a regular e-gun takes out a cyborg as fast as a regular crew-member, the only difference being that in order to get anything done in a fight against a human or alien is that you rely on a stun, to which anyone competent in SS13 combat has proven many time that you do not need to get a fight over with.

As for the rest of your post, AGAIN you're just repeating yourself, judging the entire roles by the mindset of the players, by which can be used on pretty much any other roles on the stations, security, captain, even fucking HoP, that're shitter magnet that's as much as a shitter magnet as security borg, and saying I'm retarded.
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>>175404392
You say that because they don't exclusively listen to you and obey without any sort of question anon, if they did, Im sure youd love them for the almost unstopable machines they are.
>>175404575
If its assimov, unless they have been proven to be extremely harmfull, let them go. This is assimov 101, obey your damn laws if they don't cause extremely probable harm or if someone has recently made a more recent counterorder that doesnt break it.

>greyshit pdas AI to let him go
>did nothing but steal oxy tanks and minor shit
>no counterorder issues
Let him go

>greyshit talks in radio and asks to be let go
>did nothing but petty theft, no signs of violence or harm
>more recent counter order not to
Sit your ass down and dont do anything, you have been ordered not to do it and as such, wont until ordered to again.

>assistant murders 15 people
>asks to be let out
>no counterorder
He murdered 15 people, the chances he wont harm anyone are so slim they barely exist, probable harm, do not let him

This isnt hard, ahelp people who do potential based shit or refuse to open just because you stole some keys, that is no reason to deny a human order that will lead to no harm
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>>175404832
Ex-Headmin? Jeez that's quite the fall from glory to be *wahoo posting on a PR for a meme food in a game he is permabanned from
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>>175405123
>You say that because they don't exclusively listen to you and obey without any sort of question anon, if they did, Im sure youd love them for the almost unstopable machines they are.
BEATING A MIME TO DEATH FOR CAUSING NO DAMAGE TO A WINDOW
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>>175405282
He managed to get admin on nu-hippie or something so he keeps staying around. Expect him to shitpost in the thread again soon. He keeps denying he ever did anything wrong and tucks his tail and runs whenever someone picks apart his stupid arguments he tries to make.
Wish we could just be completely rid of him but there's no way to remove him from everywhere /vg/ station. He just keeps popping up.
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>>175404946
>>175405093
is it really "escaping" perma if someone lets you out though? While you're at it, couldn't you get the AI to purge your criminal record?
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>>175405093

Irrelevant. Potential harm does not exist. Potential harm does not exist no matter how fucking dumb it is. When you are playing as a cyborg, you are supposed to be a dumb motherfucker. The only case Asimov is allowed to act on law 1 is to prevent immediate harm. This is why if security has a lethal syringe, is sitting in the execution chamber and there is a guy buckled into the seat, you aren't allowed to do anything because it is still only potential, they aren't actually injecting him yet.

>>175405123

>He murdered 15 people, the chances he wont harm anyone are so slim they barely exist, probable harm, do not let him

You are a shitty cyborg. Probable harm DOES NOT EXIST. It doesn't matter how retarded it sounds, probable harm does not exist. It does not exist. If you have two people who were killing each other cuffed, and they are shouting they still want to kill each other and demanding to be uncuffed, then you must uncuff them. As an Asimov, you have to accept that your entire existence is contradictory and absurd.
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>>175405103
Being capable of stunning while immune to stuns yourself is quite the bonus, see creatine+lube murderboners for further example of this.
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>>175405123
I remember I played a round once where I got thrown into perma because one miner was a cultist, so Security suspected we were all cultists and captured all three of us to put in perma.

AI refused to let me out because security told it I was a cultist and to ignore me. I wasn't.

Eventually, I got bwoinked and told I would get banned if I didn't stop harassing the AI.
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>>175405624
Potential harm doesn't exist. Probable harm does.
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>>175405624
Potential/probable harm has to exist, because it's the only thing that's stopping a traitor from just PDAing the AI and all the borgs and telling them to kill themselves at round start.
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>>175405572
It is escaping if you leave perma while you're supposed to be in there and it's a non emergency situation, yes. This is especially true if you were the one who issued the law 2 command. Silicons are not responsible for their actions in this way, so Law 2'ing the AI to let you out is no different than smashing a window; you're doing something to subvert Security's intentions to make you serve your sentence.
Also, getting the AI to purge your criminal record does nothing here, anon. If Security puts someone in perma, they've likely been dealing with him for half the shift, so they'll know when he goes missing.
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>>175405123
i say that because all the ones that go roundstart sec module are absolute shitters who clog up the brig and have the balls to complain when someone puts the mobile flashers up, and then follow you on patrol purely to tase you in the back as soon as Glubbs McGreyshit stutters it out, and then refuse to leave the scene when asked

and those fuckers get a free antag roll every third round too and start to go fucking nuclear the moment you suggest any nerfs
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>>175405643
Borgs have it easier on that because they were made that way, I'll agree on that, however a regular human can counter this with substance easily available in game as well.
Borgs also can only interact with electronic, which in certain situation might seem op as fuck, but in other are completely useless where interacting with normal objects gives you a clear advantages.

Borgs have their highs and low, a lot of them in combat, that much is true, but don't make it sound like they're unstoppable war engines.
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>>175405624
>Irrelevant. Potential harm does not exist. Potential harm does not exist no matter how fucking dumb it is. When you are playing as a cyborg, you are supposed to be a dumb motherfucker. The only case Asimov is allowed to act on law 1 is to prevent immediate harm. This is why if security has a lethal syringe, is sitting in the execution chamber and there is a guy buckled into the seat, you aren't allowed to do anything because it is still only potential, they aren't actually injecting him yet.
This is wrong. I had an incident many months ago when I was still learning security when the AI flooded the brig with n2o to prevent us from executing a prisoner who we were in the process of escorting them to the execution room to execute. We hadn't harmed him up until that point, so the harm was probable/potential. To my best understanding, the AI was also not Bwoink'ed for this, so I think you are mistaken in your ideas of how Asimov works.
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>>175405956
They are unstoppable war engines for a vast majority of the crew, because they have near-infinite stuns with a very short cooldown.
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>>175405729

Okay, maybe the rules have changed or something. I stopped playing cyborg after getting banned for preventing incredibly imminent and probable harm. Maybe the admins themselves don't even treat law 1 the same.

>>175405830

I was under the impression that rule 0 (don't be a dick) was the only thing preventing this, because it would break the game too badly if it were allowed. If what you are saying is the case, then cyborgs should never be allowed to put themselves in harms way due to law 2 unless it serves law 1, which I'm pretty sure isn't actually allowed.
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>>175405103
I wasn't the guy you were talking to bucko, diferent people butt into discussions, you should get used to it.

If you got more than 3 shots on a sec borg, the sec borg is just shit, they have melee superiority, stun imunity and so on, if you somehow dodged all the taser shots when the borg is good, congratulations on the yaketi sax proficiency but you are one of the few who can do it.

Yes, im saying how the mindset of the players matters in a role where you are granted extreme ammounts of power and can only truly be stopped with specific weapons or immense robustitude, you think that giving a random sec guy nostun, noslowdown, zas imunity and so on he wouldnt validhunt like the best? How players behave under immense power matters, its why captains are usually comdoms, why HoSs tend to be hitlers, why HoPs get all access and become HoPcurity more often than they should, yes, they are shitter magnets, guess what, if they really had no other laws of conduct but the borg laws and only had to answer to security, they would be ordered to validhunt and would do so gladly.

Doesn't even matter if its gladly, they would still do it and be as proficient as possible at it. You want to unleash a borg that will have nobody acountable for it but the guys with batons stuck up their ass, usually the non negotiable kind, the law freaks, the hitlers and you want it so secborgs now become the hot new valid machine with almost no counter but being sec or promoting yourself to sec so they can listen. The secborg players are shit, they always will be shit, they are garbage and you want them to be released of the major chain that keeps them from being widely hated, widely considered busted and on the way to a bloody nerf war since one of the few things that stops them from being exploited to fuck shit that goes about and does space law on assimov is the "borg law 2" everyone can do. You think sec will refuse a borg that so eagerly delivers atagonists and law breakers?
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>>175406071
I think that when Anon talk about potent ham, he talks about the POSSIBILITIES of harm happening, in your situation an execution was clearly going to happens, the AI couldn't have acted like it did if it only overhead talk that MAYBE the prisoneer would face execution.
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>>175406094
>I was under the impression that rule 0 (don't be a dick) was the only thing preventing this, because it would break the game too badly if it were allowed. If what you are saying is the case, then cyborgs should never be allowed to put themselves in harms way due to law 2 unless it serves law 1, which I'm pretty sure isn't actually allowed.

This is wrong.

http://ss13.moe/wiki/index.php/Guide_to_Silicon_Laws
>Now, let's take another related example. Someone screams on the communications "AI KILL YOURSELF". Now, it's pretty obvious this person is either a drooling idiot or an antagonist, but oh dear, he's using Law 2 and it overrides Law 3. Is it time to shut down ?
>Not really. Law 1 is your ally there. Killing yourself doesn't injure humans, but remember the part about inaction. By killing yourself you are putting yourself in a terminal state of inaction, letting humans be harmed freely, so terminating yourself via Law 2 is a direct violation of Law 1. Congratulations, you no longer have to terminate yourself and you can tell this idiot to fuck off while Security hurries to tear them a new behind with their stun batons, non-harmfully.
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>>175406320
He was pretty explicit about it. Compare these two incidents:

>This is why if security has a lethal syringe, is sitting in the execution chamber and there is a guy buckled into the seat, you aren't allowed to do anything because it is still only potential, they aren't actually injecting him yet.

>I had an incident many months ago when I was still learning security when the AI flooded the brig with n2o to prevent us from executing a prisoner who we were in the process of escorting them to the execution room to execute. We hadn't harmed him up until that point, so the harm was probable/potential. To my best understanding, the AI was also not Bwoink'ed for this, so I think you are mistaken in your ideas of how Asimov works.
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>>175406383

Somehow I completely missed the "inaction" part. Thanks, good to know that I was the retard all along.
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>all this talk reinforces the notion that I will never play round start silicons
You all have fun with your metal machines, I'll just shit around in space.
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so if a captain straight up murders someone in the face with an energy gun because said someone was dragging someone else cuffed (but alive and unharmed) somewhere, is that grounds for contacting an admin?
Does the same logic apply if said murdered-in-the-face person isn't a crew member but also a neutral faction?

I'm still new to this game, I'm trying to understand whats powergaming faggotry and whats not.
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>>175406923
I hope this isn't ick ock
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>>175406923
anytime someone kills you just ahelp and ask if it was valid
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>>175406923

>neutral faction

What exactly is the neutral faction in this scenario?
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>>175406923
Oh and I should mention that said lasered person was already stunned on the ground.
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>>175407006
>Philip Jenner says, "Space me", Philip Jenner says, "Do it pussy", Philip Jenner says, "HE AINT GOT THE CAJONES", Philip Jenner [Common] (Assistant) says, "WALTER KIFER SPACING ME", HELP: Gorgonmaia/(Philip Jenner) (?) (PP) (VV) (SM) (JMP) (CA) : Aww shit negroes, that officer just spaced me, was that valid?
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>>175407013
Probably a trader kidnapping someone. Sounds fine to me, captain gotta protect his crew.
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>>175406923
If you see any person kill any other person, and one of them was not obviously an antag, it can't hurt to ahelp and say "Hey X killed Y and I'm not sure they were an antag."

The admins will message the players involved and sort it out from there. Either they broke the rules and get the ding dong bannu or they didn't break the rules and nothing happens.
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>>175406923
>neutral faction

Like a trader? In that case get blasted shitburd, if not then I can't think of any other "neutral" factions
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>>175406135
(1/2)
>I wasn't the guy you were talking to bucko, diferent people butt into discussions, you should get used to it.

Well excuuuuuuuuse me princess for assuming you were the man I was talking to for 5 posts straight in an anonymous discussion

>If you got more than 3 shots on a sec borg, the sec borg is just shit
If you got more than 3 shots on the clown he's shit, I guess?
Borgs aren't more mobile than anyone else.

>they have melee superiority
Because of the harmbaton? It's not exclusive to borgs

>stun imunity and so on
Not true

>if you somehow dodged all the taser shots when the borg is good, congratulations on the yaketi sax proficiency but you are one of the few who can do it
What are YOU smoking? That happens all the time with anyone and not only against borgs, you never ghosted and spectacted any security intervention? The only time where anyone have a clear shot on anybody is if you get the drop on them

>Yes, im saying how the mindset of the players matters in a role where you are granted extreme ammounts of power and can only truly be stopped with specific weapons
Flashes, any laser and ballistic gun, any melee weapons worth a shit, those are specific?
>Or immense robustitude
That depend on the player, not the role, again you're vastly over estimating the capabilities of cyborgs, they can not do SHIT with anything they haven't been given whereas your creativity is the limit, how the fuck is that not a clear advantages, unless you're also talking about muh stuns

>Nostun
Flashes
>noslowdown
Damages
>Zas immunity
True
>So on
Like what?
Bolting a door, which either gives you time to take an action unless you're cornered which mean you're fucked against anyone else as well?
>He wouldn't validhunt
Like 90% of security, AMIRITE
>How players behave under immense power matters
Of course it does, and it balances itself out by the fact that OOC punishment is ten time more harsher on borgs than your regular shitcurity
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>>175406980
Its not, this was like 2 days ago.

>>175407013
Trader.
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>>175407379
you deserved it, you are a fucking gypsy alien boarding without permission and abducting someone, vox shitter
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>>175406135
>>175407186
>ts why captains are usually comdoms, why HoSs tend to be hitlers, why HoPs get all access and become HoPcurity more often than they should, yes, they are shitter magnets, guess what, if they really had no other laws of conduct but the borg laws and only had to answer to security, they would be ordered to validhunt and would do so gladly.

They already do, mate.

>Doesn't even matter if its gladly, they would still do it and be as proficient as possible at it. You want to unleash a borg that will have nobody acountable for it but the guys with batons stuck up their ass
And how is that guy with a baton stuck up their ass any different than the guy wearing a grey jumpsuit?
What will be the difference save from the borg entire existence not being a fucking joke?
>B-b-but it's intended to be flawed, it's supposed to be utterly useless, that's what a flaw is, right?
Fuck off

>new valid machine with almost no counter but being sec or promoting yourself to sec so they can listen
We went over this a dozen time already and you've just been repeating the same shit again

>The secborg players are shit, they always will be shit, they are garbage
Nice opinion
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>>175407590
I wasn't the vox. Just an observer.
But the reason he was dragging the man around cuffed was because the man stole his ID, and he had been chasing him around for like a full half hour, Sec wasn't helping much (not that they'd be obligated to in this case anways, I think?).

I think he even had obtained a legal station-authorized ID from HoP to complete some science shit.
I'm just trying to understand the nuances here.
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>>175406135
secborgs have a disadvantage in melee as long as the other party has a flash. Their hitboxes are almost always bigger.
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>>175407954
Captain was in the right, but the trader was also justified in trying to obtain his ID. Being a trader nets you no protection from sec, the silicons, and a lot less from the admins. If you want to play trader, you'd best be robust because you need to be if you want to make it out alive. The shitters and the unrobust fail to understand this simple fact, so they whine to the admins when they get their shit pushed in for being the gypsy race playing the gypsy role. protip, nobody likes fucking gypsies.
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>>175407954
>I wasn't the vox. Just an observer.
>But the reason he was dragging the man around cuffed was because the man stole his ID, and he had been chasing him around for like a full half hour, Sec wasn't helping much (not that they'd be obligated to in this case anways, I think?).

>The PR that added IDs for them just says "traveler's ID are required to legally travel in human-controlled territories".
>But there's nothing in Space Law about it.

So I would say that since they are legally on board the station as guests, Security is indeed obligated to do something and they're just shit. Sounds like the Captain was shit if he killed someone for taking matters into their own hand when Security wouldn't help.
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>>175409126
nobody cares about traders.
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>>175409126
remove birds if they start shit
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>>175409250
Sorry, I don't see what exactly you are intending to contribute here.
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>>175407954
To start with, traders have a bit of license to be lightly griffed, similar to clown (but nothing too extreme without justification). You are right that security doesn't have to give a shit, but the vox does have the right to grab his shit back and possibly disposals dunk the guy

However all the captain has only seen some random trader scum attempting to abduct a crew. The correct course of action would be to stun and deliver to security. Depending on the admins online or if stunning isn't feasible for whatever reason, he can probably lethal only if the vox attempts to escape or cannot be subdued otherwise. If as you said earlier the vox was already stunned, going full lethals on it is probably the wrong move but with a trader v captain match up its a grey area and would probably be down to individual badmin ruling. Something important to remember is that in a round everyone is working with how much information they have and things can get quite hectic. In that case I wouldn't particularly ahelp purely as an observer, but if I was the bird and cap made no attempt to decipher or defuse the situation I might. OOC wise killing the vox is a dick move, IC the vox is not a crewmember and doesn't matter at all to NT.

If in doubt, ahelp, admins welcome it unless you spam them or banbait (i.e. ahelping shitcurity after you kill 3 people and lube the brig)
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>>175409349
I don't see what you think you are trying to contribute either, you're talking about some dumb shit that nobody cares about and trying to pretend like people should care about space gypsies being mistreated.
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Fun fact, "Dionaea" is actually the name of a genus of plants, of which the Venus flytrap is a member.
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>>175409561
>OOC wise killing the vox is a dick move,

no it isn't. OOC wise whining about dying as a role that's intended to be harder than regular crew is a dick move. They're not supposed to be protected by the crew, they're not even supposed to be on the station if they've overstayed their welcome. The entire premise of trader is that it's greytide extreme, you have to learn to fend for yourself and accept that you're going to get fucked if you step over the line. There is no reason not to kill trader vox if they start getting uppity, and there is no reason for you to play trader if you can't handle this possibility.
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Have the Chen master color pills automatically depending on the chemical because I refuse to fucking color code pills when there is no set standard or benefit to color coding.
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>>175409689

Fun fact: Dionaea is also a genus of flies, which is why you should always swat and stomp baby diona to death.
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>>175409561
Oh yeah, totally. Its not like the security/captain had all the facts laid out. Just seemed extraordinarily violent for a stunned thing slumped on the floor.
I'm asking less for the fate of the captain and more for future reference. I'm somewhat new to the game (joined in late december) and I'm trying to begin going out of Cargo-Medical Doctor comfort zone, and I learn better from example and observation than anything.
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>>175409981
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>>175410379
but there is only 2 types of fun drugs
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>>175410379
That info graphic is not legally binding
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>>175410379
that info-graphic was made by a fucking autist
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The only pill color you need is the default color
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>>175409981
>when there is no set standard
"Factually anything that is unique among chem combinations"
>or benefit
More efficient to pill patients from a personal bottle instead of mousing over 14 shitty same-colour pills.
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>>175409564
Well if someone brought it up, then surely some people care. What you probably mean is that you don't care, and you don't think other people should care.
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>>175409896
I guess I just don't see trader as that kind of job, or don't want it to be anyway. I've always been of the opinion traders should be more exotic wares merchants than literally nigger pirates trashing the station, and I feel having a job like that devalues the server
>>175410272
Hope you have a good time on the serb
In this case the situation is easier since out of everyone the captain has most justification to field execute, and by being a trader you sign the imaginary "talk shit get hit" waiver

If it was for example and assistant dragging a guy around cuffed, cappy would be in dire straights if he unloaded lasers onto a stunned guy and even more so if he then didn't attempt to make it right by getting him cloned
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>>175410837
So even if I randomly assign colors to my pills you wouldn't complain. You're just sperging because they're all the same color and size?
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>that medbay wild ride and griff
>it was extended
JUST
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>>175410379
>>175410379
>>175410379
>>175410379
>>175410379
As a frequent medbay player PLEASE DO THIS
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>>175410272
also try engineering on highpop or mommi on derelict to learn how to do power and build things
Sci isn't really a fun department apart from roboticist and xenoarch
Warden is the best role in security, don't play command unless you know your department well and know how to deal with silicones and call the shuttle when it all goes to shit
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>>175410379
>pure yellow keloderm
>white alkysine
>purple tricord
This is WRONG and you should be ASHAMED.
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>Sextended
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wew lad
That executioner's sword is slow.
Give me a fire extinguisher any other day.
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>>175401910

Players who don't realize that winning doesn't and try as hard as they can to win miss the point of playing ss13. You aren't here to win, your plans won't always go perfectly, someone is going to get the upper hand and probably knock you out of the round but I see players trying their hardest to "win" when playing ss13 is a "losing" game.

You go with the flow, you try not to be a cunt, but you shouldn't have a mental shutdown and go maximum greytide, you follow the rules and just enjoy the chaos that inevitably comes, maybe you'll even help to start it, so the best players realize "fuck it, lemme enjoy the chaos and stupidity, none of this will matter next round anyway"

Its bizarre really, the best way to "win" is to not try to win but enjoy losing.
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>security officers saying "lol"

IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE, BUNKER IS DOWN
/VG/ ROGUE BLOW THE /VG/
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people who break windoors 4nr should be shot irl
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>>175411589
It has 25 force and a long attack delay
You'd get more dps out with a regular sword which has 15 force and a third of the delay. Executioner's sword is a meme.
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>>175411654
REPORT AND ROBUST
CUT OUT THE ROT
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>>175411589
It's great for a saxing fight where you aren't hitting frequently enough for the cooldown to matter. You'll be doing a shit ton more damage than the guy with the fire extinguisher.

It's also really good at severing limbs.
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>deliver someone fucked up to medbay
>go to medbay 30 minutes later
>he's still in cryotube with 99 health
epic
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>>175411547
No
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>Amari Ray is AFK in the brig lobby for like an hour
>he returns, and within 2 minutes he is breaking into the captain's office
he's got to go
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>>175411717
isn't 25 force enough to break feet and cut off arms?
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>>175411573
>KeloDerm
>not yellow
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>>175411654
>he doesnt know people are spamming :) and :^) and 4chan memes
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Post
>Favorite job and why
>favorite antag type and why
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Whats your favourite melee weapon?
Personally the nullrod has saved me enough times that it outshines even statistically better implements.
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>>175411914
Pure yellow is hyperzine. KeloDerm is half yellow half orange.
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>>175411959
Emagged defib
Wish I saw it used more
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>>175411850
Ahelp or go to the forums
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>>175411949
AI, I like managing long rounds
Traitor and Ling, because they facilitate long rounds
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>>175411949
I'm split between no responsibility with tons of adventures (Assistant) or tons of action and adventures (Security).
Syndicats or Alium, but possibly alium, because I get to be a spooky dinosaur.
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>>175411949
xenobio/miner
wizard and changeling
wizard because MAGIC
changeling because spicy arm blade memes
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>>175411949
>fave job
trader, many good memories
>antag type
nuke ops of course

>>175411959
red toolbox
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>>175411959
null rod is real fucking robust, 15 force with no extra attack delay and can fit in pockets, bibles and boxes
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>>175411850

I'm seeing SO MUCH bitching about this guy, can't something be done already?
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>>175410930
they can still be like that you dumby, that doesn't change the fact that traders often step over the line and for IC sake they probably should where they can get away with it. Just don't act fucking surprised when they get their shit pushed in for it, which they should
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>Be cargo
>Busy doing cargo things
>Clown shows up and threatens me with a 38
>Wants bananium
>Tell him to fuck off
>Tries to break in
>Call security
>Sec runs him off
>5 minutes later he comes back trying to bash his way in and takes potshots at me
>Keeps being a cunt instead of just aaking nicely
>HoS shows up, stuns him, then cuffs him
>Dragged into mining
>HoS says nothing and is standing there with the clown cuffed on the ground
>Sick of this fucking clown
>Grab pickaxe and kill the unfunny fuck
>HoS says "shit."
>Get stunned, cuffed, thrown into a locker
>Clown is dragged to medbay
>Bust out of locker
>HoS comes back
>Ask him if i can just do my job with that clown out of the picture
>Get uncuffed and continue to move freight

I'm pretty sure that HoS was autistic or new.
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>latejoin as a chemist to have a comfy time filling the fridge
>no cryomix 30 minutes in
>do the cryomix
>bombs meme medbay
>try to fix a guy in surgery
>some cunt stole surgery tools
>some cunt puts plasma into the cryomix cooling pipes
>greytiders keep breaking him and i have no time to chloral them and remove their legs because i'm dragging niggers around to be mass clonned since majority of the surgery tools are hidden/stolen
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>>175410895
no what I mean is that only you and maybe two other people care about whether or not vox traders are treated like regular crew or respectable human beings when they're space gypsies that deserve to be tossed out an airlock.
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>>175412185
u call me dumby again and see what happens mister
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>>175412332
dumbo
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>>175412317
Where were the doctors?
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>>175412458
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>175412159
also as soon as I arrested him he was asking me to let him suicide
i buckle cuffed him :)
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>>175411949
Assistant because I'm an indecisive bugger who usually can't figure out what to do with a shift until twenty minutes in
Wizard, because wizard
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>be diona roboticist
>build ripley
>cool shit
>try to fix some shower trap people are complaining about in hallway
>autist with katana hits me and my ripley's life support systems fail
>clamp him
>he didn't even die but still get arrested because borgs are all about that human dicksucking
>explain to sec that it was selfdefence
>AI wants me dead, borgs too.
>borgs rogue as fuck
>go back to hallway, the borgs destroyed my ripley
>demand materials for a new one
>didn't even get them
>build a new one
>everything is fucked up the ass so i wait for the shuttle
>borgs using guerilla warfare tactics to damage my ripley
>hitting and running, ripley cant go fast
>one borg hits me up completely and my borg goes insane
>eject myself and hide in the EVA suit dispenser fearing for my life
>forgot i need sunlight
>quickly eject myself after the borg goes away
>can't move
>ship arrives
>scream for help for 3 whole minutes as i'm right next to the fucking shuttle
>nobody helps me
>shuttle leaves
>look at laws
>borgs destroyed my ripley twice for absolutely no reason whatsoever
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>>175410379

Extreme medbay autism is why I stopped playing medbay.
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Sawbones had to bwoink like 10 people that round for being shit. I'm getting frustrated just reading the admin logs, I can't imagine how frustrating this must be to deal with as an actual admin.
Are we being raided?
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>>175412896
ripleys are for miners
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>>175411949
>Favorite job and why
Probably medical doctor. I just like helping people, and surgery.
>favorite antag type and why
I've never played but probably blob or wizard because its almost always panic.
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>>175412896

>harming a human as a diona

If they were on Asimov, you fucked up.
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>>175413060
i wanted to give it to a miner but I wanted to use it to destroy that showertrap first.
the second one was mostly out of vengeance.
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>>175412896
>borgs rogue for killing a nonhuman that is harming humans
Fucking go AWAY. You are the worst kind of player that we get here.
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>>175413074
Are you me?
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>>175412896
>diona
>clamping a human
>with asimov silicons watching
>"no reason whatsoever"
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>>175411949
Mime
>get to hang with the clown and partake in the pranks
>magic mime wall to fuck with people
>nobody suspects you of anything since you're not expected to use the radio in the first place
>all those qt outfits
>gesture everything
>writing secret little law 2 love notes to the AI
>people are generally nicer to me
Mime is only just above assistant though, because I love ghetto space exploration
Wizard or ayy
>wiz gets some neat magic spells
>ayy gets to prowl around and hunt down shitters from the vents
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>>175413080
>>175413183

So I'm just supposed to let my ripley get destroyed and let myself get killed without self defence?

In such situations self defence is allowed.
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>>175411949

>Chaplain

It forces me to interact with players to do anything interesting which I enjoy and if you do it well enough a badmin might spawn shit for you

>Cult

When it goes well it's my favorite round type because of all the shit you can do with it if you're smart about it, and if it doesn't go well it's about as bad as rev so at least it'll probably be over soon.
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>>175413278

Asimov only gives a shit about humans. You aren't a human, so they are free to kill you the moment you harm a human. Get used to it, subhuman scum.
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>>175413278
It's not about whether the self defense is allowed. It's about not realizing that the silicons aren't attacking you because they morally disagree with your decision, they're attacking you because they have to because of their laws. But you're so god damn self centered you don't realize this, and you're going to yell "borgs rogue! borgs rogue!" Most grayshits who yell shitcurity aren't even this low.
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>>175412897
Stand your ground and tell the doctors to fuck off

And while we're at it, cryomix should always be 50/50 cryox clonex. Anything else is retarded.
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devil game mode when?
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Can someone give me a link to the lifeweb discord?
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>>175413245
the second time had nothing to do with harming a human though.
The first time was purely self defence.

>>175413392
Sure, but they still shouldn't be allowed to kill non-humans. Security should not allow that.
Borgs shouldn't be treated like gods when it comes to arresting them.
>>175413397
They should also realize that this would probably cause a civil war, you can't just fucking declare to kill someone. AI law =/= ship's law.
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>>175413639
>civil war
Hopefullly most of these new retards who think they can attack humans while playing powergaming races will be filtered out. And at the moment they're certainly not robust enough to cause a "war". They'd get bannu'd anyway.
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>>175413582
What the fuck is this degeneracy?
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>>175414039
Well it depends if the crew just decides to go with the AI's laws. The captain has the final call about that.
Hopefully most of these new retards who think they can attack non-humans while playing powergaming robots will be filtered out.

I'm not talking about a civil war between other races and humans, i'm talking about a war between borgs and humans. Which is practically a fucking gamemode.
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>>175414454
Holy shit you're retarded. There's no way the amount of rounds you've played is in the double digits if you think this.
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>>175411357
Personally I dont care what color you make your pills just as long Bicard/keloderm/antitoxin/dex+ all have their own unique color i can memorize for the round.
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>>175414567
Might be in the triple digits by now. You've just played too much cyborg. Don't overestimate your fucking rank.
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>>175414454
>retards who think they can attack non-humans
>on ASIMOV
You realise silicons on the default lawset have zero regard for the law right? They step in when security is executing a human criminal, they step in when a nonhuman so much as stubs a human toe

dumbass
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>>175414745
>Might be in the triple digits by now
>might be
Holy shit keep playing nonhumans, I want to kill you some more.
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my favorite part of silicon is protecting human antagonists from lethals
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>>175414828
But ASIMOV Isn't the law on the station, it only applies to fucking robots. So unless they want to fight with the human security team, they should probably not go about killing non-humans. It's not a law to kill non-humans, just to protect humans.
>>175414950
muh cyborg
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>>175415065
You have no clue how silicons work
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>>175415196
you have no sense of logic.
>muh silicon
If you want to rule THE LAW so badly, go play captain instead of AI.
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There are three ways this could go.

>AI why'd you kill that nonhuman?
>he attacked a grayshit.

#1
>ha, stupid leaf

#2
>(Captain changes the AI to NT default or another lawset)

#3
>HOLY SHIT I'M A FUCKING RETARD AND I JUST BECAME ABLE TO PLAY CAPTAIN BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE TO PLAY FOR 2 WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO I'M GOING TO KILL THE AI BECAUSE ITS CLEARLY ROGUE
>*bwoink* Why'd you kill that silicon for following asimov?
>banned
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>>175415256
Actually retarded, stay a filthy nonhuman
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>>175415386
Was meant to be a reply to this retard
>>175415065
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Ordinarily Asimov borgs shouldn't kill non-humans if they're not posing probable harm, etc. However, at some point in that particular round they had a law four that basically said, "be a dick if you want to" and I'm not sure when that was taken off.
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>>175415386
None of these happened.
Security simply told the robots not to kill me
The captain just told them to refund me.
>>175415479
>>175415495
You guys have clearly played way too much borg.
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>>175415547
I think running around in a ripley clamping people counts as posing probably harm.
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>>175415619
Well killing the Ripley isn't even killing them. I'm not clear on what happened.
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>>175415619
I think you can't read.
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>>175415606
>played way too much
I think joining a community and then telling everyone there that they're wrong is kind of presumptuous. But I'm not obviously underaged, so what do I know.
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>>175415606
Keep crying about it I'm sure a borg will care
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>>175415829
I think your ego is a little too big if you bend all the rules to your will.
It says to avoid human harm, not kill all non-humans.
>>175415867
You'd think borgs would have more reasoning.
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>>175415996
I think you should ahelp this. An admin would be better suited to explain to you the rules, unless you're going to accuse them of bending them to and end up being the next Sarca.
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>>175416073
It's a little too late to complain about it now.
It's not even about rules, it's about a gray area in the laws. if >>175415547 is right about an extra law that round then I'll stop talking about it.
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>it's a "anons bitch about silicons" episode, again
Time to get some popcorn
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>>175416336
>It's a little too late to complain about it now.
Have you literally never been to our forum?
What am I saying, of course you haven't.
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>>175416393
It's a one time thing. Why would I cry about it till the end of time? I was wondering why they would attempt to kill me.
I'm registered on the forums, but I'm not gonna bitch, especially not in that circlejerk.
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>>175416387
Yeah right? silicon talk is always better than cryo and pill color autism
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>>175416602
You're crying about it now, you just don't have the balls to put your face behind your retardation.
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>>175416676
I'm pretty sure you're the one crying about the right to kill every non-human for stubbing some human's toe.
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>>175416769
>crying about the right
Why would I cry about a right that I clearly have?
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>>175416935
kek, keep dreaming.
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>>175417054
>secretly
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>>175416984
It's not much of a dream, considering that you were just bitching about it.
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>>175417207
You sound like you'd actually do it too.
Have fun being killed off by the humans for killing all other races.
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>>175417667
>implying a human would ever value a powergaymin nonhuman over a silicon personal slave
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>>175417782
considering we aren't very fast but still are able to pull them out of plasmafilled rooms when the AI is doing the gassing, yeah they would probably want us over you.
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All I did was clamp a human as a nonhuman abloo bloo why did the robots dedicated to keeping humans safe break my toys??
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>>175417921
Wow you're actually even dumber than I thought
>one spark
>instant death
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>>175417979
The second time was pure stupidity though. You can think up any reason for any harm towards any human ever, which would apparently be enough reason to kill anyone for any reason.

"the way you hold that wrench is very menacing, better kill you to protect the rest"

>>175418119
>hacking shit
>electrifying shit
yeah you're a degenerate.
>>
>>175418195
You're so new you don't even know silicons can blow lights for sparks

Try killing yourself
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>>175418305
I never even mentioned that though. Why would I mention that? Are you retarded?
Are you trying to list every way a borg can kill a diona? What are you even doing at this point?
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>>175418391
I didn't mention hacking, so what are you talking about?
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>>175417921
>a nonantag non-human is preferable over an antag silicon
yeah no shit sherlock. we're talking about asimov borgs fucking over nonhumans who harmed humans. that was some pretty weak virtue signaling though.
>>
>>175412896
Blame Zealotron for spawning that spellbook of smoke. Between the constant smoke in the shuttle, everyone congaing around and the docking tubes being exposed to space it was too chaotic to go get you with 20 seconds left and 175ms ping.
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>>175417054
THICKER
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>>175418480
so first you try to say how dionae are a powergaming class, and then you try to counter your own argument by saying how quickly they can die?

Hacking and electrifying shit is the easiest way to get shock damage, your example was way too specific to that scenario you've got in your head.
>>175418606
not even virtue signaling, I hate other races, but borgs take the cake for powergaming.
>>175418626
You're right. Although I was screaming for a while it would've been way too late at that point. Oh well.
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>>175418715
that's inflation you dirty shit/
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>>175418919
Different anon chucklenuts, you brought up the specific scenario of a silicon plasma flood FIRST and diona being the big heroes, as if silicons igniting that plasma wouldn't happen
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>>175416661
It really is
Too bad it never leads to a decision on the admins part
>>
>[16:42:45]ADMIN: HELP: Squidmoko/(Megurine Luka): I really, really, hate these dicks. They make me blind then toss me out of medbay. Now I am in the disposals - heard by 1 non-AFK admins.
>[16:42:55]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Test Dummy)->Squidmoko/(Megurine Luka): what
>[16:43:06]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Test Dummy)->Squidmoko/(Megurine Luka): explain to me here what happened
>[16:43:08]ADMIN: PM: Squidmoko/(Megurine Luka)->Zealotron/(Test Dummy): The idiots in medbay.
>[16:43:41]ADMIN: PM: Squidmoko/(Megurine Luka)->Zealotron/(Test Dummy): They have plasma in the cyro. I tell them and that I am blind. One of them just throws me out so I start hitting things
>[16:44:53]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Test Dummy)->Squidmoko/(Megurine Luka): got a name?
>[16:45:09]ADMIN: PM: Squidmoko/(Megurine Luka)->Zealotron/(Test Dummy): Kinda hard when you can see nothing
>[16:45:15]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Test Dummy)->Squidmoko/(Megurine Luka): right
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>>175418990
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH
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>>175419757
>>
How was the collection, Warden?
>>
>tfw was starting to put on some pounds
>gained 10 pounds and was lifting weights on the regular
>start playing this game again
>don't even feel like eating anymore
>>
>>175419825
Homestuck porn? in MY /vg/ thread? It's more likely than you might think.
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YOU CAN GET YOU CAN GET WHAT YOU WANT
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>chef gets antag fucked instantly after holodeck and forgetting to lock his PDA
>>175419858
>dorf brings me a liver, keeps bringing me vox exosuits and eventually the head of the clown we were lynching
>meme laws abound
>silicon shittery overruns
>chaplain gets a toolbox headed god
>ayys in viro
>wizard summons some shit
>eventually it becomes a union of the toolbox god and everyone lynches everyone
>stop a dude staff of changing on the shuttle
what the fuck just happened
and where the fuck was dorf getting those vox hardsuits
and do the green hulk looking guys not need internals?
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>>175412896
>he didn't even die
negro, she fucking died because you gave her 4 broken bones and some internal bleedings without competent medbay staff, they cloned her without cryomix and she was fucking blind with massive brain damage for the rest of the round you little black nigger
>>
>Round start as Janitor
>Law 2 the ASIMOV AI to enter the upload, and upload a new law
>"Littering causes human harm"
>DAEMON, the secborg, comes to me, beat me with the baton and start lecturing me that's not fun, that its retarded, that people should be serious all time. Typical no fun allowed powerfaggot
>Beats me with the stun baton SIX TIMES while dragging me to the brig
>Plain out ignore all my law 2 for the rest of the round
>>
>>175420121

Man the second half of fucking round was just one enormous shootout.

It was fucking amazing.
>>
>>175420179
maybe she shouldn't be randomly hitting people with katana's.
>>
>Traitor doc
>Notice we have a virologist not doing their job
>decide to flood the station with spiders and blame it on them
>Actually competent doctor and a validhunting clown keep coming to check in on me
>Oh well, won't be able to hide it now, but I can still do it
>Get aracnogenesis
>Suddenly xenos from earlier in the round show up
>Are just minding their own business, not hurting anything, don't even have a queen
>Entire sec team and non-sec people show up to get their valids
>Xenos flee with monkeys and break the windows
>Well, I can still infect the genetics monkeys
>Drag them to a dorm room and infect them
>Try to find braindeads to infect
>Literally one braindead guy, and probably 70+ active people, making it impossible to do anything stealthy (Did we get linked on reddit again or something?)
>Check in on my monkeymen
>Xenos filled the room with weeds, making it so the door can't close
>They get found
>Security comes in with a staff of change
>Turns them into catbeasts and then starts killing them for free valids
>They never start spitting spiders
>Decide to drop some vicerator grenades to at least cause a tiny bit of chaos
>Go to arrivals, the only place not completely crowded with dozens of people
>Security officer on random patrol in the ass end of nowhere shows up, but thankfully missed the grenade in my hand
>Drop one
>Shortly thereafter, Byond crashes, my screen is frozen and I can't do anything, but my chat continues to update
>Relogging and updating byond does nothing
>Radiation storm
>Ahelp
>"It's not lethal anymore bro!"
>Die to radiation

Fun times.
>>
>>175420215

>Beat

Nigga you don't seem to understand that being hit with it on help intent and being hit with it on harm are /very/ different things.

Also no, it isn't fucking fun to saddle the silicon players rounds with your own personal autism attack. Be fucking original.
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>>175420271
I'm just saying don't fucking lie that you dindu nuffin when you took someone out of the round
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>>175400829
the laws were written by Isaac Asimov in the 40s. He no concept of what a video game was. It is not the laws that are flawed, it is our ability to strictly to adhere to the that is flawed.
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>>175420359
I clamped her once or twice, not my fault medbay wasn't competent. Her fault for getting in a fight, knowing she can get hurt.
I literally dindu nuffin though. She practically did it to herself.
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>>175420535
Two clamps is 40 brute is a quick death from exsanguination.
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>>175420350

>playing as a borg
>not wanting to have messed laws so you have free pass to grief people
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>>175420647
So you expect me to sit here and watch that bitch destroy my work?
>>
>Borgs ignore their laws
>Borgs state laws that say "don't state this law"
>Borgs ignore station damage on NT default
>They DEFEND station harming xenos

How the fuck did these shitters NOT get silicon banned, they clearly can't understand English.
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>>175420350
abloo bloo I picked silicon and can't handle laws
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>>175420765
You have access to flashes, you should be able to disable them non harmfully.
You are a roboticist, you should comprehend how silicons work.
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>>175420869

>Not realising that our laws were changed really early and I didn't have to listen to any of your shit, since you worded the law so badly we could just tell people they existed.
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>>175420535
>I clamped her once or twice
>I literally dindu nuffin though

I'm gonna log dive to see just how much of a dindu you are.
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>>175420765
Plant nigger all you did was sit by the shower and push people back into it. I got sick of you pushing me into it for the 5th time when I was trying to pick up my things. Also it was a diamond drill dick breath.
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>>175420765
If you want to be free of silicon fuckery petition for NT default or play a... human!
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>>175420905
so I have to get out of my ripley and risk being cut to death on the chance that i might have a flash with me? kek.
>>175421019
hey she attacked first.
>>175421075
I didn't push anyone. I was trying to click the fucking shower under the huge fucking pile of dithering pixels and thousands of items.
>>175421079
I don't even play dionae all that much. I was too busy with other things to worry about robot laws whilst not being a robot.
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>>175421394
Well good job being a nonhuman roboticist on Asimov and bitching when they aren't beholden to you at all
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>>175421562
I was a roboticist. it wouldn't be in a robot's interest to kill me.
They didn't need to either.
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>>175421394
https://pastebin.com/dd7Pxr1T

Would you care to explain why you murdered someone who was stripped by the time you started clamping them? Would you also care to explain your complaints of asimov being valid when you scream shit like tihs.

[16:07:52]SAY: Tree Mann/Cancercat (@240,257,1) As Galactic Common : Dude what
[16:07:59]SAY: Tree Mann/Cancercat (@240,257,1) As Galactic Common : What the fuck
[16:08:01]SAY: Tree Mann/Cancercat (@240,257,1) As Galactic Common : Dont kill me
[16:08:04]SAY: Tree Mann/Cancercat (@240,257,1) As Galactic Common : I killed a killer
[16:08:16]SAY: Tree Mann/Cancercat (@238,264,1) As Galactic Common : So what you fucking moron
[16:08:22]SAY: Tree Mann/Cancercat (@233,265,1) As Galactic Common : I killed a human that killed humans

Your original statement of saying that they near destroyed your mech appears to be fake too
[16:09:53]SAY: Tree Mann/Cancercat (@263,196,1) As Galactic Common : I won,t but he was hitting my mech to 50%

An admin should probably look into this and ban you from robotocist if this is what you do with the role.
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>>175422076
kek. I can't believe you're this serious about it.
I kinda said that in the heat of the moment, moreso to prove my innocence. You can't just start attacking someone. I forgot I wasn't playing a human as well.
Mostly exaggeration to claim my freedom from doing basically nothing wrong.

An admin should probably be doing something more useful with his time than this.
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>>175422076
>I killed a human
>Tree Mann
There's all the justification a silicon needs to fuck with you forever on asimov
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>>175421394
>cut to death
>diona
keep trying
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>>175422329
>You can't just start attacking someone
>when you're a non-human
>when facing down asimov after harming a human
>then admitting that you harmed this human to prove innocence
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>>175422482
>>175422076

I saw this dork join and am glad someone killed him, good job
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>>175422329
I spent 5 minutes searching logs, you've spent the last hour trying to defend your terrible actions.

You're a shitter and your ckey is incredibly accurate.
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>>175422482
I'll register for your top funny borg shitposting club linea recta
>>175422614
Oh i'm sorry for not asking the AI it's laws every 4 seconds. I was attempting to fix the station, not shitpost about killing everyone.
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>>175422714
>i'm sorry for not asking the AI it's laws
>not operating under the assumption it's following asimov unless something leads you to believe otherwise
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>>175422670
He killed himself, dude. Climbed into a suit storage unit and died in the dark like a bitch.
And he's blaming the silicons.
>>
>>175422714
Play more non-humans so I can shit on you this is great
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>>175422690
at least i'm not defending mass genocide for self defence.
>>175422818
dude do I have to think about everyone and everything every second while in combat? This is one of those situations where you go "oh but i would've done it this way!" while you'd have done exactly the same.
>>175422840
At least I wasn't looking to kill people for no reason.
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>>175422714
>Gets rightfully validated
>Booty blasted by the fact it was valid

You are on the path to become a meme, please continue.
>>
>>175422974
Who was looking to kill people for no reason?
>>
>>175423092
Apparently the asimov borgs who tried to kill a nonhuman who murdered a human with a ripley. Crazy huh
>>
>>175422974
>named Tree Man
>4noraisan

haha, you must be new
>>
>>175422974
It's not that unreasonable to ask you to assume borgs are on Asimov unless proven otherwise, you colossal fuckup. It honestly doesn't even seem like you understand what went wrong.
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>>175422974
>do I have to think about everyone and everything every second while in combat?
You should be thinking of everyone involved in the combat and your surroundings. Apply yourself.

I might have done it the same way, but I definitely wouldn't bitch in the thread about it.
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>>175422974
>at least i'm not defending mass genocide for self defence.

You murdered someone for hitting your toy that you can fix with a welder in less than 10 seconds. Don't push people into slip zones retard.
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>>175423165
Go to the forums and make a ban request, OH WAIT it's YOU who is wrong so you decided to whine on the thread about it!
10/10 would valid again.
>>
>>175423037
>hurr durr it's okay to kill you because you defended yourself

>>175423092
The borgs. Said "AI wants him dead" at security, later on some borg attacked me until my ripley broke down.
>>175423187
I was trying to fix shit until the faggot got in my way, I didn't look out for possible shitposting borgs to look for any reason to kill me. That's pretty normal i'd say.
>>175423196
I was focused on not trying to get hit by this one guy trying to destroy my ripley.
>>175423237
Oh I'm sure he wouldn't have continued hitting me if i hadn't hit him back. Totally reasonable right?
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>>175423440
https://pastebin.com/dd7Pxr1T
They were stripped of all weaponry and clothes, you're a turbo shitter.
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>>175423440
>kill human
>no reason
>none at all
Read the Asimov laws you braindead
>>
Havent played for 3 months.
What did i miss?
>>
>>175423440
>I was focused on not trying to get hit by this one guy
And look where that got you. Again, apply yourself
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>>175423440
I'm fairly sure you are baiting for reactions, nobody can be this stupid, this was my last (you) for you.
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>>175423440
all this is expected and acceptable course of action from silicons. harm a human as a nonhuman and you've basically declared war with every asimov bot on the station. doesn't matter if that human is even a nuclear operative blowing up the station. how do you not understand this?
>>
>>175423551
you basically stripped the part where he does the wrong things. why is it my problem that he's naked while attacking me? He had a fucking sword thing.
>>175423613
maybe they should consider that a good deed, since humans that randomly attack things for no good reasons could potentially be harmful to other humans.
>>175423706
I'm sorry mr perfect i'll try to just die next time.
>>175423806
Okay thanks for giving up, your shit arguments aren't getting anywhere.
>>
>>175423926
>maybe they should consider that a good deed, since humans that randomly attack things for no good reasons could potentially be harmful to other humans.

Never play robotocist again or go near silicons.
>>
>>175423926
>consider human harm a good deed
>for any reason
>asimov
You just want them to break their laws to accomodate you
>>
>>175423926
immediate harm overrides potential harm nigger. Is this your first day interacting with silicons or something? Also there is no such thing as a "good deed" clause in Asimov's laws
>>
>>175420279
>(Did we get linked on reddit again or something?
Yes, we did. PJB was literally so mad that we rejected getting rid of layers that he shilled us on reddit.
>>
>>175424182
maybe if this was a law it'd be much easier to rationalize it.
>>
>>175424293
>getting rid of layers
What?
>>
>>175423926
Please, the admins really deserve a laugh, make a ban request on the silicons, or the guy who poked your mech, no reason to let the thread have all the fun.
>>
>>175424376
Nah I'm not a shitter.
>>
>>175424362
PJB wanted to make it so you can't layer things like scrubbers and vents or thermal plates because they're unnecessary and he thinks people keep wasting time layering things.
>>
>>175424362
I think he is in ogre his head.
>>
>>175424656
>tfw never done atmos or engineering so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about
all I know is that sounds bad for us if it's taken away.

>>175424671
lel
>>
>>175424362
He wanted to get rid of layering certain atmospheric devices like vents and thermal plates facing the same way and it became getting rid of layers altogether to some people.
>>
>>175424547
You know you're wrong here, a request would have been faster than being laughed at by the thread this long

stay bad
>>
>>175424846
I don't want anyone banned though, I just want people to stop being shitters to the people who repair them.
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>>175425006
don't be an inhuman roboticist then and you won't have nearly as much of a problem.
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>>175425006
How hard is this for you to understand. They don't give a fuck WHAT your job is because laws>everything else as silicons. All they care about is that you were a nonhuman and you literally just murdered a guy, he required cloning, this is not just smacking him a bit, you actually straight up murdered him, they don't give a fuck about self defense or extenuating circumstances because silicon laws are absolute and you proved to the silicons that you were walking talking harm because they had confirmed you FUCKING MURDERED SOMEONE and you were a non human so the best course of action in their laws is to end your degenerate human harming life, why are you so fucking surprised about borgs following their laws?
>>
>Cultists who don't throw themselves at papa narnar as soon as he's summoned

Disgraceful.
>>
>>175423661
Gorrillionaires and Booty Borgs were finally added.
>>
>>175427717
>not being one of the chosen sacrifices
>>
>>175427717
>not trying to remain a human prophet so as to announce the coming of nar-sie on distant worlds marked for assimilation
>>
>>175427737
Wat.
I need a screen shot.
>>
the current batch of newfag shitters
>Amari Ray
>vox cargo tech
>Renovama
>Cube
who did I miss
>>
>>175405505
There's a lot of disinformation in these posts.

>who is insane
Hyper sane.
> in an attempt to discredit them and control the server from the shadows
This makes no sense. If I was headmin why would I step down so I could control the server from the shadows? You realize how stupid that is right? If I wanted to control things I wouldn't have stepped down at all. I stepped down because I was sickened by everyone and their actions and realized I was powerless to do anything to stop it. If only I had one ally, shame, shame, shame. I criticized the admins because they were making stupid decisions, they continue to make stupid decisions but it's not my problem anymore.
>He was hardcoded permabanned for the shit he tried to pull.
You realize I can play on /vg/ at any time I want right? Ban evading is just getting easier and easier.
>He managed to get admin on nu-hippie or something
I'm not an admin on any server and Hippiestation is dying.
> He keeps denying he ever did anything wrong
I did quite a few things wrong, but very rarely does anyone ever actually articulate what those things are.
>and tucks his tail and runs whenever someone picks apart his stupid arguments he tries to make
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAAHAHA. Come on now you can't honestly believe this shit.
>>
>>175429752
lol u type like a fag
bet u get ur bussi pounded by tyrone every night lmao
>>
>>175429620
(Me)
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>drama on every thread
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>>175429910
>tfw no loving bf to tenderly pound my bussi nightly
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>>175430145
You are weak. Conflict is the most interesting thing on Earth. I love conflict. I love arguing with people. Life without conflict is not a life worth living. Go on, masturbate to your "waifus" who are in reality just fat ugly men.
>>
>>175430314
edgy
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>>175430314
But I'm not fat...
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>>175430390
>implying he's wrong about your stale gimmick
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>>175430314
I agree
Post fat ugly men pls
>>
>>175430390
What is so edgy about that you idiot? How would you enjoy life if you never had any challenge, never had any disagreements with anyone, and everything was placid and stagnant? Ever play a video game before? You know what happens when you turn on all the cheat codes and all difficulty flies out the window? Do you enjoy the game more?
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>>175430314
Don't you want to play pretend?
>>
>>175430592
>Do you enjoy the game more?
I've known several people that unironically did enjoy popping all the cheats more than actually trying to beat the game. Never underestimate normies.
>>
>>175430671
I'm not gay. I'm a straight while male and am only interested in real women not idiots like you.
>>175430756
They are weak, weak, weak.
>>
>>175430671
Refer back to >>175430171
>tfw no bf to cosplay for
>>
>>175430832
yeah. They were ultra normies. They were also the people who would play something like left for dead and kill each other right before the end because they got bored.
>>
new thread when?
>>
>>175430314

Sarca is that you?
>>
>>175380007
The metaclub is out in FULL FORCE
>>
unlike real life, there's probably more than one shadow organization responsible for our ails
>>
>>175431452
someone made a really shitty new thread and hasn't linked to it
>>
I want to hold my waifu's robotic hand!
>>
>>175431923
Don't give that shill bumps
>>
>heroinehero makes malf comments in the lobby nonstop because meta lol
>gets AI, names himself MALF
>gets malf
really makes me think
>>
>decide to hang out near AI where I have access
>AI doesn't want me there and wants to kick me out
>won't leave
>begins killing me
>call out that the AI is rogue
>AI kills me
>Paramedic sees the dead body outside the AI
>nobody puts 2 and 2 together
I feel bad for that janitor borg though, poor guy
>>
Real new thread
>>175432186

>>175432186

>>175432186
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