AGDG - Aggy Daggy Generapaloozy

https://itch.io/jam/agdg-gelatinous-cube-jam
10 hours left

>>175297423
That doesn't seems like much improvement.
Could be a boss and his minions.

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>>175297423
made a bit of progress with the golf game
https://youtu.be/ZKq4C6EVlWw

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How are you doing today, Anon-kun?

who wants music

>>175297658
Looking good, I like golfing games.
Didn't watch the video though cause of that thumbnail.

>>175297658
Got a gimmick or something?

wait a minute

a 4k texture is really big

but it's possible that all the instructions which led to the creation of said texture could be very small

why do we save the finished product, why don't we save the instructions and then recreate the texture when we load instead of loading the texture from memory?

>>175297813
thank you
>>175297894
not at the moment, just going to try and get it working as well as possible to start with

>>175298018
Unity and Unreal have support for substance files which are basically just that.

They're also editable in game.

>>175297894
multiplayer is quite a big ask on its own, so i likely won't add a gimmick

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>>175296230
Thanks, anon.
Here's it with a larger weapon as well as it attempting to aim at slopes.

>>175298018
That's quite common, especially for stuff like gradients and circles, it's faster and easier to generate it than load an image.

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>>175278941
Hey! Thanks for the help! But I wanted it to react to speed as well. I like how the ship is flat against the floor when you're cruising along a lane, it feels right. And by taking speed into account the motion can still feel smooth when it's spinning.

What do you think of pic related? I think that's a sweet spot.

>>175297658
Looks good. One of my favorite games way back was the golfing game with kirby. Maybe look at it for inspiration.

>>175298235
I love the way you spook me. You better have a legit baseball stadium somewhere in that dungeon.

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>>175297423
>WebM tools
Thanks dude!

>>175298558
Change it to
>Unity user
>Unreal Engine user
>Godot user
>GM user
And in the back
>enginedev

>>175298547
what was the golfing kirby game called? ill give it a google now? :)

>>175298558
shouldn't the guy in the back be python?

>>175298684
no

>>175298547
Could you shader it so the brightness gets toned down when its extremely near the camera? Otherwise its going to be hella stroby

>>175298018
You can proc-gen a lot of things. Less space on disc but takes more CPU/time to "unpack" and they're just as big in working memory. Probably the biggest factor is the added time and effort to code such things if you're not using prebuilt tools for it, or other limitations within said tools.

Several years ago some crazy germans made a demo FPS game called ".kkrieger" that crammed all the fanciest graphical features of the time along with really sharp textures and even sound effects into a 96kb executable file.

>>175298235
I love this.
What's the masterplan for this game?

Been getting more and more tired of the dev on workplace, want to do a fun vidya dev project, is gamemaker a good place to start?

>>175299361
you may be terrified by uglyness of some things you'll have to do because of gamemaker limitations

>>175299870
Any other suggestions? I just said GM because of the simplicity btw

>>175297747
Dad forced me to cut my hair again there was a dead caterpillar in my lunch and the anime I was watching had an ending so shitty it got me thinking if a whole team of professionals did that I wonder if its actually possible for me to do anything better on my game or it will be an even worse pile of shit.

>>175299361
>dev on workplace
Tells us more, what programming languages do you know?

Man, animating effects with particles in Unity is really difficult.
I have no idea what I'm doing...

>>175299361
GM stopped being a good place to start since they ruined the free version.

>>175297747
I had to get my mom to stop shitposting on /ck/ long enough for us to go grocery shopping for the family lunch we are having tomorrow. She gets a giggle out of it I am sure but I visit twice a month for this so I wasn't prepared to have to compete with 4chan for her attention.

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>>175298792
Yeah, the materials have a lot of tweaking to go. I think it'll be less epilepsy-inducing once I disable the motion blur.

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>>175302948
>her mom shitposts on /ck/

>>175299361
Assuming you have programming experience, you should write your own engine with SDL. Writing the foundational stuff will be absolute hell, but you'll be rewarded with not only not having to deal with GameMaker's absolute bullshit design paradigms, but with having an engine that works *perfectly* with your workflow.

>>175297747
How about you?

>>175303527
>having an engine that works *perfectly* with your workflow
True, but thats kind of like saying your legs are exactly long enough to reach the ground

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>>175303975

If you duplicate a save game, should it's creation date be that of the original file, or the current time?

>>175304701
If I make a duplicate of something I assume it will be an exact duplicate.
Why does creation date matter anyways?

>>175304701
It doesn't matter because you shouldn't ever rely on creation times, simply store the current time in the file.

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Whats the verdict on using classical music in your game (considering it fits the theme)?

Great pieces like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2j-frfK-yg are completely free of any form of copyright even commercially, but it bothers me it might come across as cheap and unoriginal.

I got plenty of artist I could hire for different music genres but (original) classical music often requires whole orchestras's and a good composer, resulting in a cost of thousands of dollars.

If I use it sporadically during moments of great importance in my game could I get away with the "passing it on for younger generation" argument or should I just settle for less right now?

>inb4 just use shitty acoustic guitar songs like all other indies

>>175301009
Lately mostly Web Dev(JS), before this lots of OOP with C++

>>175303527
I though about a small project, I have zero experience at building engines, how big will this be

>>175305131
If you know C++ like the back of your hand, you're part of the elite aristocracy of devs able to exploit the ginormous potential of micromanaging pointers for no (or autistic) reasons in UE4 scripts.

But for real UE4 is really fun if you know your C++ more fun than enginedev anyway

>>175305131
Writing your own engine is a meme

Pick up Unity and try to remake FTL

>>175305035
If it fits, then sure. I don't see why you need to justify it more than that.
Just make sure you're using a version that is actually free to use commercially.

>>175305035
If you can't afford expensive VSTs, then just compose/commission a song for piano. Using well-known music is not a good look.

>>175305035
It's pretty easy to emulate orchestras digitally, Jeremy Soule for example mostly uses samples.

Using classical compositions is lazy but there's nothing with original works.

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Would you cum buckets in this bucket?

>>175305131
For a small project, it won't be too bad at all. All you'll really have to implement will be rectangular collision functions, which are easy as hell. The only drawback is the lack of a map editor, though, which may be a dealbreaker. If you want to make something quick using a map editor, then you should download Unity. Problem is, you'll have to deal with Unity being slow and unoptimized and the "Made with Unity" tramp stamp, but it's probably a good place to start for a newbie.

>>175305884
>recommending unity for 2d
fucking really nigga

>>175305035
If you keep it obscure and not the tired, overly used bits of music you might hear on an advert of babbies first classical music playlist, there's nothing wrong with it as it won't stand out to the casual player.

Alternatively, take that classical music and cut and mix it into something original and see what you can make yourself. Also certain recordings of classical music are not free from copyright so check before using any part of a recording longer than 5 seconds (or whatever arbitrarily short segment is allowed nowadays)

>>175305473
>It's pretty easy to emulate orchestras digitally
"Easy" isn't the word I would use. It can sound convincing, if you can write orchestral music and know how to work nuance into samples. Good sample libraries are also not cheap (although far cheaper than hiring an actual orchestra ha).

mediocre programmer here

I use Unity because c# is the only lang i'm familiar with but I'm more of an artist than a programmer

however I realized my game runs like shit on most PCs after sending a demo around to a few friends

is there a guide to optimization somewhere, or some links on how to get started with that kind of stuff? my actual game code is pretty clean but when it comes to shaders, graphics, culling, that kind of opti i'm totally lost

>>175306018
What's wrong with using Unity for 2D as a beginner?

The tutorial material and documentation are unrivaled.

>>175305035
>are completely free of any form of copyright even commercially

The music itself is public domain but the various recordings are still owned. So if you do go this route make sure you use recordings that have been released under a good license.

>>175305867
needs metal rings around it or something

>>175306414
this has been answered so many times jesus christ

unity is not a 2d engine
you will be fighting with it more than you should be
its NOT good for a beginner, or anyone for that matter

use monogame or XNA for 2D.

>>175306501
Shit you're right, I had the feeling something was missing.
This is what I get for not looking at reference.

>>175306408
I believe there are Unity optimization books

>>175306408
An anon in a previous thread posted these links for some great books about Unity, including one about optimization:

https://pastebin.com/QZQNaSTF

>>175306408
I'm sure you can purchase an optimization asset from the Unity Asset Store!

>>175306408
Unity has a Profiler window, put in the effort to understand it

Post a screenshot of your game and maybe it'll be obvious to us whats wrong, ie too much grass or massive draw distance or something

>>175306630
>>175306698
oh shit, I missed that.
great thanks anon(s)

>>175306791
yeah lmao, after I finish this project I'm dropping Unity for good for that reason exactly

I hope that open-source unity editor clone posed a few threads ago works out well, otherwise i'll have to man up and learn c++ for ue4

>>175306565
>Unity is NOT good for a beginner
>use XNA instead
Im LOL-ing out loud

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Eh. Good enough.

>>175306864
the profiler doesn't show anything unusual though, everything runs smoothy and nothing looks like its too big except for the ominous "overhead" thing

its weird because I use a laptop and it runs fine but my friends with PCs are saying the framerate is really low

>>175307119
Rewrite it in C++, friend.

>>175306565
Godot senpai, it's currently the best 2D engine and it's easy to use.

>>175307010
for simple 2D games, fucktard

>>175305867
looks good. I agree with >>175306501

can I see your UV map? I'm new to blender and it'd help

give it to me straight /agdg/. I know blender, c#, and c++. I've never made a game outside of a text adventure and I want to make 3d games. godot or unity? and why?

>>175307261
A game would have to be pretty simple to not need things like a GUI or keyboard input

>>175307661
Your own engine in Rust

>>175307661
unity if you like proven things
godot if you like unproven things

>>175307661
UE4

>>175307661
Godot's 3D is pretty meh, it will get better but for now Unity is better if you don't mind getting cucked.

>>175307661
Godot if you want free.
UE4 if you want powerful.
Unity if you want to eat shit and pretend that you like it.

>>175307850
>if you don't mind getting cucked.

>>175308017
>Unity if you want to eat shit and pretend that you like it.

what do you mean by this?

>>175308101
Unity is a shitty engine all around. But people still use it and still pretend to like it just because it is popular.

>>175307661
unity if you want to actually make a game
godot if youre a contrarian shitter

Shitposting aside, I cannot make an informed choice about Godot since I have not used it extensively, however, Blender + C# is the perfect workflow for Unity3D. It has many tools for seamless integration

If you only care about graphics, then go for UE4.

>>175307737
>monogame doesn't have basis for GUI or keyboard input

are you retarded?

>>175308101
be careful with comments like >>175308205
no arguments whatsoever

>>175308205
It's popular for a reason. Its workflow is very intuitive and quick, and Unity is the fastest way to make a prototype.
The drawbacks are no source code, bad visuals, generally not as well designed. But those are worth it if you're a beginner.

t. UE4 fag

>>175308101
Unity has some pretty stupid stuff going on and poor performance, but it's pretty competent and good enough for just like making games, community support is good too.
Basically the GameMaker of 3D engines.

>>175308490
>Its workflow is very intuitive and quick
I disagree with this. But everyone has different preferences with workflow.

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>>175305867
looks good, but wooden buckets usually have several rings around them to hold the slats of wood together

>>175308205
I don't think people pretend to like it, I liked it before I tried UE4 and realised how much it was missing.

It's still good for a beginner because of the stupid amount of tutorials and help online.

>>175308490
>The drawbacks are no source code
I mean being open source is always nice, but who honestly needs it aside from ones building plugins/etc? I can't think of a situation where not having the source code hindered me.

>bad visuals
It's not 100% on par with UE4, but I'd put it close to around 80%. You're not making some AAA game so this shouldn't matter.

>generally not as well designed
And you think Blueprints and UE4's hideous UI is better? Laughable.

>>175308767
shills need to leave

>>175308372
>>175308585
alright thanks I'll start learning the API and make something.

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>shit talk Unity
>paid shills come out of the woodworks
Seriously, no other engine has this amount of butthurt defenders.
And friendly reminder that the Discord has a literal shill giving out free tech support and probably undercover shills too.

UE4 is plain better.

>>175305131
You have 3 options:

1. The slow but rewarding and ultimately best way
>start out with C++ and SFML to aid your enginedevving
>will take a bit to get used to but you'll eventually sky rocket in production speed

2. The easy but meh-ish way
>get Unity and dev with JS
>will be slightly easier but you'll soon discover the pains of Unity

3. The smart way (3D only)
>get Unreal and code in C++ with it

>>175308902
>says ue4 is better but never states specifically in what areas

Compile times?
Documentation?
API ease of use?

You've used both engines so this should be second nature

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>>175308627
I find using UE4 has a better and more efficient workflow than Unity, but that's because I know a bit about gamedev and UE4 itself. I'm just saying Unity, compared to other 3D engines (UE4, Cryengine) is probably more intuitive if you're a total noob.

This means you're a god programmer, congrats.

>>175308767
>He has never needed to look at source code classes
>He doesn't want to make as beautiful a game as possible
>He thinks you actually need to use blueprints.

Pic related.

How do I make music like Undertale's?

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reminder that artists are a meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lScmXN5YTHA.

>>175309191
I'm not the same person
see
>>175309078

he just posted his opinion, and here you (the shill) have to come in and start whining WHAT U DONT LIEK MY ENGINE ITS BEST ENGINE EVER NO OTHER ENGINE CAN COMPETE UR JUST WRONG JEALOUS FAGGOT ITS THE BEST ENGINE EVERYTHING IS PERFECT WORKS PERFECT [if you buy x y and z assets on the asset store] ITS BEST ENGINE EVERY SO EASY AND AAA GREAT

>>175309078
>Seriously, no other engine has this amount of butthurt defenders.

>>175309078
>>175308902
>>175309145
>>175307791

Looks to me like more people are defending UE4. Of course, it could be the same 1-2 anons.

I kind it odd how there's only maybe 2 UE4 games on agdg yet there's always more vocal opinions about it.

Chill

>>175309354
>[if you buy x y and z assets on the asset store]
Wait, which engine are you shilling, because that's a Unity thing.

>>175309191
Its better in every single way. Very serious. No I do not care about the amount of tutorials and community "help".

>>175309191
The tools.

The material editor, animation editor, landscape editor, mesh editor, there is an upcoming overhaul of the current vertex painting and BSP systems, meanwhile Unity has neither.

>>175309496
>Its better in every single way
and this is why nothing can be taken seriously on agdg.

back to deving

>>175309437
nobody is "defending" UE4, because nobody has posted any criticisms of UE4. they're just recommending it because its a good engine

Unity has serious problems, yet people like you keep putting your fingers in your ears and going LALALA UNITY IS DA BEST

>>175309567
Go ahead. Name some things you prefer in Unity over UE4. You've used both for a few years like I have right?

>>175309354
>ITS BEST ENGINE

But the only ones saying this are people using UE4. I think you're getting your engine anons mixed up.

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Post progress.

>>175309482
I'm not shilling anything, I'm just anti-shilling Unity because while its not the worst thing in the world, people seem to defend and ignore its obvious flaws more than anything else which leads to shit not getting fixed

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>make game
>make main character have generic indie haircut
>become overnight popular
Why hair style does your main character have?

>tfw the main character's ridiculous haircut is the main reason I didn't but this game

>>175309720
Why don't you post progress? What's up with namefags and their lack of games?

how do i code a spectrum for my gender

>>175309720
>says post progress but doesnt post their own progress first

no.

>>175309810
Man, I can't spell worth shit.

>>175309810
i've never even heard of this game until you shilled it here

>>175309810
My game has no characters.

>>175309869
>criticizes a request for progress for not posting progress without posting your own progress

People are just too invested in Unity and don't want to admit its gotten very shit since version 3.0. But it definitely hurts less to jump ship now.

>>175310039
You could build your own engine in the time it takes to debug Unity projects.

>>175310039
>Still talking about why he hates Unity

Were you molested by Unity or something? This isn't normal.

>>175310249
Methinks you were and you've got Stockholm Syndrom.

>>175310249
Not him but the amount of shilling unity gets here really is kind of silly, you even have poor devs getting fooled into thinking that it's good for 2D.

When it comes to game mechanics, where's the line to stop when it comes to drawing from older games. For example, I really like the overally battle system from the Front Mission rpg series but would replicating it wholesale be a bad thing?

How shameless is too shameless?

>>175310628
Do whatever you want to. There are no such lines. Unless you're talking legally with regards to specific assets. Don't replicate those.

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Im not being able to do a squatting position without fucking up horrendously.

Why is that bald guy doing the devvlog naked with a towel on his head.

>>175310628
>but would replicating it wholesale be a bad thing
Doesn't matter, but you as a dev will probably feel shitty knowing that you didn't come up with anything original, which could lead to being quickly bored with the project.

Atleast try to improve upon it or make it special

>>175310795
I intend on entirely original assets, just if you were to compare menus there would be similar options

>>175310904
Are u looking at refs?

>>175310964
The question here is why aren't you?

>>175310964
If I lived by myself I'd dev nude with a cool towel on my head too

>>175310904
Squat yourself dummy, we bend our backs naturally.

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getting tired of dealing with ue4's c++/blueprint reflection system

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>>175310904
/fitagd/ to the rescue

>>175311697
Reflection system?

>>175311697
Shoulda have used unity.

>>175311728
Hello, pajeet.

>>175311735
in order to expose your c++ classes to blueprint you have to put in some ugly macros and inherit a bunch of bloat, which still might not work because blueprint cant handle certain types like unsigned ints
not to mention you have to add the classes through the editor first, which might or might not be possible because the editor wont compile because youre actively trying to implement something

>>175311935
what do you mean anon i am unable to keep up with your memes

>>175311697
no such thing, ue4 is the best.

>>175312076
People dont squat to look at something the same way they do to shit or lift.

>>175312062
You talking about a few #includes and ufunction lines to copy paste?

>>175311762
Unity can't serialize generics by default, so you have to do quite a bit of workaround to get it working.

For example, a Dictionary is a generic. It won't show in the inspector, and if you closed Unity, then anything stored in the dict would be gone when you started it back on. Of course, there's like a hundred different guides on doing serialization callbacks, and Unity even updated to provide a better way of dealing with it.

or you can just use this
https://github.com/vexe/VFW

Anyone my point is nothing is perfect, but if you're decent at programming then all it'll be is minor issues.

>>175311371
Couldnt find a proper one, so i took pics of myself posing

>>175312187
i don't think the kid in the foto is lifting anything

>>175309810
More like
>post a competent devblog on tigsource
>get featured on GM's tech blog for your unique solution to the depth sorting transparency problem (and make said solution available for other people to use)
>have good art
>steadily build a following and become popular
The racially ambiguous genderqueer haircut is faggy, though.

>>175313013
>get featured on GM's tech blog for your unique solution to the depth sorting transparency problem
I understood this reference.

What are some mechanics or game types you're surprised haven't been implemented in most VR games already? Lords know they have "bow and arrow" physics and "wave shooter" mechanics down pat.

>>175313251
Literally anything that isn't a shooting gallery or drawing toy.

>>175313178
Nice apophenia dude.

>>175313251
I could be wrong but I don't think I have seen an "ORA ORA ORA ORA" punch mechanic yet (series of short normal speed punches to activate your godhood) in a VR game.

Played some Risk of Rain today. Why don't you anons make great games like that ?

>>175313251
RTS camera style really.

It seems like the perfect use for a VR headset. You can look down at the battle and move units by grabbing them.

Would also make the teleporting camera movement less obnoxious.

>>175313537
I don't know how

>>175313573
I think most people are just worried about having to look 90 degrees down for however long a match is. Shit can't be good for your neck.

>>175313759
>what are offsets

>>175313537
>Cluttered screen
>Generic rock BGM
>Memepixel art style
Because I have decency, even if that means I'll never complete a game or make money off one.

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>>175313573
This is actually on my todo list

>>175313537
My game is better.

>>175313573
>You can look down at the battle and move units by grabbing them.
There have been RTS tech demos for VR.
The reality is that it sounds cool on paper, but in practice it's a fucking chore that loses its novelty after five minutes.

Make Black & White in VR you fucking dummies.

>>175307661
Godot uses it's own custom scripting language making it non-transferable to anything else.

>>175308490
>bad visuals

Visuals are completely up to you, you shouldn't be using the default lighting model and shaders for either Unity or Unreal unless you want your game to look exactly the same as every other basic game.

>>175314742
I don't understand why these premade engines don't just use a Lisp for scripting.

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>>175297658
I guess you could say you really got the ball rolling

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Literally what is your excuse for not having a published game on Steam?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/603350/Dont_cut_your_hand/

>>175314784
Because lisp is just as non-transferable to any jobs.

>>175315037
I have to finish my game first.

>>175315037
This is the problem with indie game development. This is what is driving people away from trying actually good indie games.
There needs to be an indie purge. Steam should just evaluate every indie game and get it off the store if it's bullshit like this.

>>175315243
Greenlight is kill soon™ Valve time

>>175315141
Quite a few jobs use Clojure these days (or the brony variant, Clopure)

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Please help I think my dog is sick

Why does this happen?

Also please go easy on my "art", I've only done like 2 hours in blender from tutorials before I started this on my own. This isn't an actual game, I'm just learning right now.

>>175315910
Have you checked the direction of your normals?

Is the neck visible if you look at it from the other side?

>>175315910
flip the normals on the planes that are not showing up on the horses neck.
the engine will only render the planes that are facing to the camera. this is so it doesn't need to render all the polys that are inside of an object.
somehow while modeling you got them flipped around
there should be a function for flipping normals

>>175315910
highlight the missing faces in blender and hit ctrl + n to flip the normals

>>175315910
Pretty good for 2 hours.

I want to make a top down shooter, is that possible with python?

>>175315910
also, holy shit that horse has a fat ass

>>175316221
www.pygame.org

>>175315910
Disregard all advice from internet randoms and take it to the vet.

>>175316247
thicc

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please give me game mechanic ideas that are simple or good for beginner programmers.

just need some practicin'

>>175316945
pong

>>175316945
Kind of need to know what kind of game you're making to help with that. Platformer, shoot'em up, etc?

>>175316945
secret of mana with no party AI

>paid for a course (udemy)
>170 hours of video
>goes over __literally__ everything, provides living examples, well spoken
has anyone else ever bought a course? Am I retarded? It's definitely keeping me on track and has taught me so much about <your engine of choice> that I wouldn't know otherwise.

>>175317169
>read the manual
>you now know the engine

>>175317169
your mind will be blown when you see cgpeers

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>>175316040
>>175316093
>>175316163
That does work, but another problem is when importing the different meshes move slightly, which makes the horse T H I C C and leaves a gap in the front legs, is there anyway to stop this? Also why does it look so smooth in UE4? Is it something to do with UVs or lack of smoothing which the engine warns me about?

>>175317257
While I am autistic, I'm still human enough that reading through a programming manual would put me to sleep.

>>175317448
You aren't importing normals for skeletal meshes. Honestly I think Unity would be more appropriate for you

>>175316945
infinity runners

>>175317448
UE4 devs, folks.

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>>175316945
Point-and-click game.

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Are you EXCITED for DD14?

>>175318159
Not really

>>175297658

This reminds me of that Kirby game.

>>175317698
>>175318038
Hey now, I haven't had any experience actually importing meshes into unreal, I just assumed it was as simple as drag and drop (which worked for everything else except for this horse). I'm perfectly fine doing everything else not related to art.

>>175298765

Nah, the python guy finished in 15 minutes and left.

>>175305428
I actually did something like FTL with C++ before, but without any framework, just a simple DOS version

Maybe if I am a bit more specific people will be able to help me more, i see people suggesting UE4/Unity and Mono/XNA, what if i want to do a kind of 2.5d game, what would be the best to use

>>175318241
I wonder why they haven't made a 3D Kirby game yet. I guess it just wouldn't look right.

>>175318376
Whatever you feel most comfortable with, all engines are free to try.

>>175316945

Try to replicate the first dungeon from Zelda 1 for NES and it's mechanics as best as you can. You'll learn a lot.

>>175315037
Valve releases very few statistics as to how well Steam games do.
But based on developer testimonials and what little information we can get from Steam, a majority of Steam greenlight titles don't even make the $100 fee back in sales after Valve takes their cut.
Did you know that as many as fifty new titles get posted on Steam every single day?
Right now the Steam market is extremely saturated to the point where simply posting a playable game isn't enough to make a reasonable amount of money off it.

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>>175318347
Yeah that's about how long pygame takes to render 1 frame

>>175315037
It doesn't compile

>>175318508
What can be done to fix this tragedy of the commons?

>>175318690
Just Like Make Good Games?

>>175318453
>3D kirby game
fuck that just reminded me of Kirby Air Ride. Why haven't they made another one of those? Why hasn't an indie made a sandbox/racer where you collect power ups and then do minigames?

Most engines are bait and switch scams, they give you toys to make John Doe feel like a yesdev for a while but then he realizes how shit the engine is outside its designated newbie "click thing game happens" features.

>>175318778
They will be drowned out by the high volume of shit games.

>>175318780
There's a guy making one who posts on /v/ once in a while. He's a hobbyist

>>175318847
Good Games Float

>>175318818
sorry you were too incompetent to make a decent game.

>>175318818
Too true, friend. Too true. Glad I never fell for it.

>>175318690
What tragedy? Play your cards right and you will be noticed, if you think the "newest releases" tab is an appropriate replacement for marketing then you're a retard.

>>175318636
What error message? Compilers are pretty clear about whats wrong.

>>175318690
There isn't a problem in the first place.
How do you think good games got sales before Steam existed?
All Steam is is a means of hosting and distributing software and it does that perfectly.
It's not a magical platform that's meant to guarantee you become a millionaire just for like making a game.

Frictional Games only became successful because Penumbra was one of the few games on Steam. The trilogy was the first thing I bought there after Orange Box.

>>175318479
I don't have with any engine, but I do have experience in development and coding, so should I jump on the one that "feels" right for me or do you have any adivce?

Also, am i being too greedy for trying to do a 2.5d without any experience in these types of engines(I think it would be a nice experience)?

>>175318948
How do I into marketing? I am but a lowly dev tending to my games.

>>175318508
It's becoming more like Google Play/App store now, which sucks.

>>175319504
I assume you want to do 3D graphics and that can be a yuge bitch to do without an engine.

There are pros and cons to each engine and it's really up to you to try out shit and research stuff, just be wary that actually finishing a game is 10x harder than you think no matter what you use.

>>175318960
My visual studio expired so I'm trying to cross compile a windows binary. AGDG made it seem like it was just a matter of using a cross compiler but turns out there's a bit more to it than that, so I have to read stuff.

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>>175319592
If your game is good then it will market itself through word of mouth. Otherwise give up and accept that this is just a hobby.

>>175319762
Why do people always have to ruin things?

>>175319906
I don't even want to make money from it, I plan on my game being completely free (no DLC, no pay2win, etc.) I just want it to be popular.

>>175319913
It was inevitable. If Steam didn't do it, something else would have. Itch.io probably.

>>175320013
pay a streamer that gets 5k+ viewers to play it

>>175320158
I believe in ethics in streaming.

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Environment parts for the trailer are pretty much done.
Some stuff is still rough
Tomorrow: characters and gameplay and some editing

>>175320363
where's the gameplay

>>175320158
This won't even lead to sales.The people that play games are a different audience than the people that watch people play games.

For example, pewdiepie played an /agdg/ game

>>175320363
What game?

>>175320472
SIT was a commercial failure because the dev took way too long to release it, missing the pewdiepie hype and he's also obsessed with anti-consumer practices as we all know.

>>175320472
Anything multiplied by zero is still zero.

GPL3 or some other license?

>>175319762
Why is that a bad thing?

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>>175320472
>The people that play games are a different audience than the people that watch people play games.
You don't really believe this do you? Twitch and Youtube are the first places people go to check out games they are potentially going to buy. Tons of shit games have been sold and even had overnight success because streamers play it.

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>>175320324

>>175320472
Meanwhile Playerunknown's Battleground surpassed 1M Steam sales and is the fourth most popular game on Twitch thanks to their streamer partnership program.

>>175320324
It's not unethical to hire marketing guys aka streamers.

>>175320363
Nice terrain but I'm gonna need to see that gameplay son. that should have been the first thing you showed

>Want to make beautiful pixel art
>realize I can have good pixel art, but it won't be fast
>realize it's easier to make "shittier" indie art rather than make it good and beautiful

I'm going to make shitty art simply because it's the only way I'll be able to finish the game.

>forgive me padre

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Just a simple stool made by a simple man

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What are you doing to make your game appealing to the masses? How does it stand out?
Just making it "fun" isn't enough, you know.

>>175320903
It's bad because it means the only way your game is getting noticed is if you market it. You can't just rely on it being on Steam anymore like in the past. Marketing is a skill in itself which a lot of devs lack.

Some devs have a huge list of journalist/youtubers they send their games to, but that seems really desperate and sketchy. To me it feels like you're saying you game is shit and you need their help to get it promoted. Having people naturally discover it seems better imo, instead of force feeding it everywhere.

>tfw spent 2 years making an engine
>it was written with OOP
>just now learned a better paradigm
>now I have to completely remake the engine
fug, at least it will only take 2 years.

>>175321841
COD roguelite sexual furry simulator

>>175321841
Putting a girl in the marketing material

>>175321841
1) it's 3D
2) it's got juice

>>175318159
YOU BET YOUR ASS I AM
I JUST ENEMY MOVEMENT WORKING

>Spend the day making an entire room
>Satisfied, go to sleep
>Wake up, look at the room you made
>It looks like shit

Goddamnit why cant I be happy with what I make.

>>175321850
>It's bad because it means the only way your game is getting noticed is if you market it.
Well, if your game is good enough to get into a relatively exclusive club, then it should get noticed on its own, or at the very least it shouldn't be hard to market even if you're incompetent.

It sounds like you want a free pass to high sales, but simultaneously don't want to make a product that deserves it.

>>175322093
FUCK I'M SO EXCITED I CAN'T TYPE

>>175317257
>Godot

>>175318159
itll just be the same games from dd13 with barely any differences(which is fine) but unfortunately that means im not interested

>>175322214
no they're'll be at least one new game, mine

How do I get a dev name?

>>175322305
there'll

>>175322307
>dev name
That's your real name.

>company name
Doesn't matter unless you have an actual team.

>>175322390
No I mean a name like rotatedev or gog*m.

>>175318690
>tragedy of the commons
>steam as commons
managed gated communities like steam dont get to have 'tragedy of the commons' its just called poor governance.

>>175319906
>If your game is good then it will market itself through word of mouth.
half truth.
you need a reason to talk about the game (publicly) and people who will want to talk about it (publicly). these two things are not reliant on the game being good, that's a multiplier.

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>>175322214
*flicks hair back*

Heh, you should be interested, because I'm submitting my game this time...

>>175322390
>using anything close to your real name

just use a shorthand name of whatever your game is called silly.

>>175322206
Yeah, I read the Godot documentation, it was enough to get into the engine and start just like making game. The official demos also helped.
Sure it's not as fleshed out as other engines, but it's not nearly as bad as I've seen people here say.

>>175322529
Blonde Mario?

>>175322307
str( main_games_name ) + "dev"

>>175322390
>Doesn't matter unless you have an actual team.
There's no way to verify how many members there are in a team.
By working under a team name instead of a dev name, even if you're alone, you'll create a means of disassociating yourself from a sour project while maintaining your name's reputation.
>Yes, I worked with <team name> but wasn't very satisfied with the workflow or final product, it wasn't representative of the other projects in my portfolio. My contribution is <good parts of your shitty game>, and I am no longer with them after disagreements over <shitty parts>.
>Meanwhile you were the only person on the team but no one will ever know

>>175322638
His name is Morio to avoid any copyright infringement.

>>175322693
I very much doubt anyone would care about a shitty game you made unless it was some school shooting simulator or something.

>>175322681
return "%s%s" % (title, dev)

>>175322693
You are so scared of your game tarnishing your reputation you feel the need to distance yourself from it?

>tfw no one ever mentioned me or my game on agdg outside replies to my progress posts

>>175322816
WARNING: % IS DEPRECATED. USE STRING.FORMAT INSTEAD

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>>175322693
>Calling yourself a team when you're just 1 guy

But that's depressing

>>175322816
Dirty anon
string.Format("{0}/{1}", title.ToString(), dev.ToString());

>>175322984
Team 1MA

>>175322925
unless you post progress everyday for 5+ months, or have some super amazing looking game, then its the same for everyone else

>>175322520
>hey guys here is my ambitious non-genre title with amazing art, OST, interesting/original mechanics, and zero technical problems

if you make this and literally just post it on reddit, agdg, forums, or whatever it will become a meme there because there's hardly anything actually competing. then people excited about that game will tell their friends and post about it elsewhere. your meme game will be picked up by LP channels and streamers after it's memed hard enough on reddit and such.

most indies literally just do not do this one thing. make an actually impressive game.

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Can I be birddev?

>>175323172
I love birds.
Does your game is a bird game?

>>175323290
It is indeed is a bird game, with birds.

>>175323148
getting traction with a "non-genre title" is one of the most difficult things you can do.
people rely overwhelmingly on safety in their decision making.

>>175323172
>wanting to be a gimmicky avatarfag "dev"
no

>>175323172
wow what shader is tat

>>175323423
whatever just remove the "non-genre" part from that post if you want. it still applies.

>>175323148
>if you make this
well that's the problem.

what you described is basically the perfect game.

>ambitious
>amazing art
>amazing ost
>original mechanics
>zero bugs
>is indie dev

I mean holy fuck

>>175323510
toby fox did it (not literally zero bugs since no game has that, but stable), what's your excuse

>>175323510
Wait, you mean a good game actually needs its individual components to be good too? I can't do that! Why can't my game be good?

>>175323506
does it though? do you have the actual hindsight of having made multiple games like that and seen those results?
sounds to me like survivor bias at best, asspulling at worst.

>>175323636
undertale wasnt ambitious, nor did it have amazing art, lol what.

it had a good ost and slightly original mechanics.

however the story/characterization is what really made it do well, and its what people remember the most.

>>175323636
from what i understand he also had a sizable autism fanbase before he even started work on the game

>>175323696
name one game that checked those boxes and still nobody gave a fuck about it. I have never played a game and thought "I have no idea why this isn't selling like hotcakes", every game I've played that doesn't has an obvious reason why.

>>175322693
There's only a couple of ways you can tarnish your reputation and those ways are 100% in your control.
1) Don't make a controversial edgy game, unless you specifically want people to hate you.
2) Don't put games on early access or sell unfinished games and then never update them again.
3) Don't be an asshole every time you say something online.

If you're just making a normal game and you act like a normal human your game isn't going to tarnish your reputation, even if it ends up being a shitty game. You can still improve and make a better game.
Hell it might even be a benefit. You'll become a success story that people will talk about.
>wow look at this guy, he started out making shit games but now he's got a popular game on Steam!

>>175323828
That's because you never heard of them.

>>175323828
Not him but there are plenty of niche/cult console games that struggle to make six-figure sales despite checking all those boxes and more.

>>175323679
If you're an indie dev, then you're not going to have 'amazing' qualities in every department of your game. It takes AAA companies years to produce a flagship title, and that's with 100's of talented individuals.

thankfully you don't need to be amazing in every part.

you can try, but I can guarantee you'll never finish.

>>175323828
>point to the thing that you dont know about
yeah, survivor bias

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300 posts

no games

its over

nuke it

>>175323918
>Don't put games on early access or sell unfinished games and then never update them again.
Vine does this shit, and it's annoying as fuck because I want to buy his games but they're never finished.

>>175323762
>le undertale art is bad meme

Some of the art in Undertale is pretty good and are commissions by good artists, like the shopkeeper turtle. And even the MS paint parts by toby fox are still more cohesive and interesting than 90% of the indie shit on steam.

>wasn't ambitious

Alright then I'm waiting on your semi-1MA game (as I said some character designs/art aren't toby fox) with literally everything from the OST to the art to the >programming done to Undertale's standard by yourself.

>>175324126
>Alright then I'm waiting on your semi-1MA game (as I said some character designs/art aren't toby fox) with literally everything from the OST to the art to the >programming done to Undertale's standard by yourself.
Not who you're replying to, but Cave Story?

>>175316945
meme themed bomber man.

>>175324220
So where's your Cave Story? Cave Story was ambitious.

I want to post my game but you'll laugh at it because it looks like it's from the 80s

>>175324126
>Some of the art in Undertale is pretty good and are commissions
'pretty good' is not 'amazing' though.

>Alright then I'm waiting on your semi-1MA game
How do you define ambitious?

>>175324419
You'll fit right in with the rest of us, friend. And we're all being laughed at

>>175324419
You came at the right time then, because I need a good laugh to make me feel better about my game.

Please, show me your little shit game you put so many hours into, so I can feel superior.

Do it

>>175324126
you're joking right? undertale art is shit. I could crap out some MS-paint tier garbage like that in 15 minutes.

if you think that game sold well because it had good art, you're not only wrong but also an idiot.

>>175324419
Is it le epic pixel art or le epic ascii art

>>175323794
I played your games on /f/ for literally years and still didn't know who you are until I started coming to agdg, that is some A+ marketing my friend.

>>175324670
Pixel art, not trying to be epic with it though.

>>175324652
Yeah, nah.

>>175324659
I unironically enjoy Undertale designs and think it has good graphics. Earthbound was rough around the edges too you know.

>>175324659
I said it had interesting art.

>b-but I'm a more technically skilled artist!

well too bad undertale's art is still more Interesting™. all the technical skill in the world won't make your art interesting unless you know your audience. even though the art isn't skilled, the subject matter is still better than your art.

Why do people come here to pretend like they have a game?
Is it some meme I wasn't aware of?

>>175324781
which games? i was making flash games before twitter and youtube and 4chan even existed (and a couple before i had my own website) so....

What's your excuse for not being this creative?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VsWaXNsYaI

Undertale's art is technically abhorrent but it has great character designs and that's the only thing that matters.

>>175324876
earthbound looks way better than undertale, it was made by actual artists. get your eyes checked

>>175325026
>a boo-hooo, wahhh wahh wahh
>ad hom, ad hom, ad hom, argumentum ad populum

anything else to add?

>>175325173
Its music works well, too.

>>175325107
gook shoots up a school and the sandy hook surprise, pretty recent. probably some other games on there too, obviously almost your whole oeuvre has been on /f/ but I can't think of the others. actually I might vaguely recall seeing the sandy hook butthurt article a while ago but I didn't connect all the dots to "goojuns" until a year ago.

>Unity doesn't support overlapping UVs for baked lighting

ok how do I make texture atlases then?

shit engine btw

>>175325332
Check the Unity Asset Store!

>>175325157
>hit black guy
>angry monkey screech
Im no SJW but damn thats a little uncalled for.

>>175325301
well if i have many things that people know of (whether or not they specifically know me) it will help to convert them into proper fans at some point.
"oh hey you did ___"

>>175325561
do they not make that noise? I've never hit one myself; wouldn't want to get my hands dirty

>>175325561
it's literally a game called skullmonkeys, and he's a skullmonkey there. dummy.

>>175309810
>that retarded crown
reeeeeeeeeeee

d-do you like my game?

>>175325693
It's shit.

SHIIIIIIIIIIIT

>>175325729
I-i-i'm s-s-s-sorry a-a-a-anon!!
I will do b-b-b-b-better next time!!!

>>175325157
I wish I could afford to hire claymation artists to make a massive open world claymation 3D rpg. Would be the hottest game of 2050.

>>175325693
>>175325838
Will you be a my gf?

>>175325838
I'm sorry for making this shit post, it was supposed to satirize those stuttertyping omega faggots but I took it too far.

>>175326097
We can all see that. You can stay, but make sure it doesn't happen again.

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>tfw you catch that one bug while testing and you can't replicate it afterwards
Will someone find it Anons? Am I safe? Am I fucked?

>>175323048
every time I picture you I picture Midousuji Akira from Yowamushi Pedal

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Are you famous?
Do you want to be famous?

>>175326504
>dev becomes famous
>has enough money to last for life
>goes around giving faggy speeches at conferences and universities instead of making games

what did they mean by this

>>175326726
Name one (1).

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>>175326368
best boy

>>175326337
maybe maybe maybe

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>>175326769

>>175326337
I had one person report a bug to me. I have no clue how to reproduce it or why it would happen. No one else has said anything, so I'm hoping it's just very rare.

>>175326337
it will ruin the game.
Run.

>>175326337
>guy reports "bug"
>it's actually him being an idiot and not understanding what he should be doing

>>175322726
>Morio
Name him Duwang

>>175327156
Sounds like the game designer needs to do a better job of designing their game.

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>>175329630

Because Fez 2 got cancelled.

>>175329630
can't spell monogame without nogame

>>175322726
MORI-MORI-MORI-O-RA-DIO!