/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

xth for Dragonsis

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Help with midir on PC? pass /dg/

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>>174757253
Someone help a dragonsis out with a sage ring +2 on PC.

What's a good / fun dex weapon to make a new character for

>>174757362
I had this thought like 2 days ago for the first time

Admit it. Your degenerate hobby of watching a thousand hours of anime has shown you that nip writers can't into endings, thus you anticipated that the last DLC wouldn't tie up most of the loose ends.

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this was a good feel

Pootake

What's the meta these days for Dark Souls II? Gonna make a new character. Is it 200? Or has everyone abandoned any hope of a SL meta and gone to max SM tier?

Can I be summoned to higher NG cycle than the one I am in?

>>174757535
Ye

>>174757520
99 in all stats or at least level 250+

>>174757446
That's one of the least funny and most Reddit images I've seen be made for /dsg/. It makes sense considering the cross-siting, but sometimes you just have to voice your disappointment.

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>work hard for many shekels to hand into my moundmaker bros
>they give me a cool katana to kill myself with and some kind of heal
>play coop and drop warmths all over the boss room and sudoku in the corner

am i doing it right?

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Repostan because this here Haggar build needs some help

WEAPONS
>skilled Caestus +6
>Demon Fist +2
>Club +5 (best approximation to the pipe I currently have)
GEAR
>Drang Shoes
>Iron Bracelets
RINGS
>Milkring
>Cloranthy
>Flynn's
>Farron

Currently at Aldrich. What should I focus on for stats?

>>174757197
>equip darkmoon
>wait 5 to 10 mins and nothing

>equip Aldrich
>invading someone before I can even exit out of the menu

>>174757271
sign down in front of the fog wall

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Does this thing get a stealth nerf in pvp like the clutch rings?

Why do we go to 66 Str? What's the reason?

>>174757618

Do people still get invasions at max level? Or was this sarcasm?

>>174757623
>>174757446
Jesus Christ /dsg/ is gay.

I used to think /fit/ was the gayest board on 4chan but you faggots don't even say 'no homo' and pretend like you're straight.

All this time I though the "Fire Fades edition" was a joke but it really exists? This series is the real joke. Fucking pathetic.

>>174757774
99 strength when two handing

>>174757692
I asked before and no one answered. Has anyone done testing at all?

>want to make a character named "Culhwch ap Cilydd"
>one character short
FROOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>174757782
Level makes zero difference in DaS2. You are only matched based on soul memory, so even if you don't level to max, you'll eventually be fighting people who did.

>>174757805
The fact that you think pretending to be something you're not makes you any less of a fag kinda confuses me lad.

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>>174757805
Who would have guessed.

>>174757656
Please help

>>174758034

I am aware of that. What I mean is, do people still get invasions at the max SM tier (at which time they will also be max level)? Should I bother with the Agape Ring at all?

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rate shitty meme pls and improve it if you want

About to start NG+, what should I remember to do before I start over?

>>174758201

have fun

>>174758195
You can make it better by deleting it.

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There's too much god damn positivity in this fucking general

Name (1) thing you HATE about each of the Souls game.

>>174757692
>>174757970

Just do percentage differences I guess. See how much your damage increases in PVE and PVP.

>>174758237
Oh fuck, I'll try to have some when I start the next cycle.

>>174758257
I hate that I can't enjoy experiencing it for the first time with you again. I love you anon..

>>174758302
So one bothered to test until now?

can one obtain TWO bloodlusts?

>>174758257
You.

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>>174758257
The fact that I'm not having fun with my friends in it RIGHT NOW.

Alright FUCK dsg. No one ever wants to co op with me. I'll go see if anyone from Reddit will play with me instead.

Ps4 has more players my ass

>>174758332
No.

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>>174758109
/dsg/ is legitimately, while not one of the worst generals, still really bad. It is unbelievably gay, infested with Reddit, and it follows the series itself with how the cycle of circlejerks dies and perpetuates itself again - even down to the part where fallen legends from the previous cycle show up in the current cycle. It is full of closeted homosexuals, ERPing aggots, and full-blown idiots. I don't know what kind of "Dark Souls Effect" this series has to attract all of these kinds of people so universally but it does.

>>174758331

Most people just want to play the game desu. Someone on Fextra said the percentage increases are the same. Take that for what its worth.

>>174758180
I have no idea. They did before DaS3 came out. Now, I have no idea how many people moved on. SM fucked up everything. The different version made it worse, and the agape further shitted things up.

>>174758257
DeS: W and B WT triggers should be flipped. Playing better should make the game harder.

DaS1: Bamco rushed it so the last areas are too short.

DaS2: DaS2

BB: no duel item and items don't refill after duels

DaS3: poise is garbage

>>174758178
Where is your pipe?

>>174758257
THEY REMOVED EGG HEAD

>>174758453
please go away

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>When you invade someone and they attempt to use the black crystal on you.

>>174758257
DeS: World and Character Tendency is a clumsy mechanic
DaS: No fast travel, you have to spend months getting to place to place.
DaS2: The rubble to the right of the shrine of winter being knee high and we can't pass it
DaS3: It's lack of shame of being unoriginal, pandering to DaS1fags
BB: OST ruined by loud obnoxious chorus

>>174758430
Jesus, you're a fucking idiot, the only thing wrong with these generals is that one goddamn tripfag, who wont shut up or leave.

>>174758257
>Demon's Souls
The whole grass system was silly and I'm glad they replaced it with estus.

>Dark Souls
Lost Izalith and Bed of Chaos.

>Dark Souls II
Visuals and animations were not on par with the rest of the series, but it still has its charm.

>Dark Souls III
It's hard to find fault with one of my absolute favourite games of all time but I guess I'll say that pre-patch gank squads with seed were a pain. I can't believe FROM actually let that mechanic go live. They've improved on virtually every aspect of the series with this one.

>>174758476
Club is the best approximation I have right now. There's not much that looks like a arm-length piece of lead in this game, surprisingly

Also holy shit, without chest armor you get fucking destroyed.

>>174758430
You should check out one of the actually bad generals, like, say, /xivg/, and realise just how good this is in comparison.

>>174758257

DeS: No PC release.

DS1: The game goes to shit after Sen's Fortress, with brief reprieves from the Painted World and Biggie Smalls.

DS2: Lack of cohesive world design.

DS3: Too linear.

can NG+ players play with NG players still? i can't remember, it's been a while since i made the leap from ng into ng+. I missed out on too many things and need to go into ng+ but wanna stick around SL 80

Why are there no girls in dsg?

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After sending Greirat to Irithryl can I buy the Onion armor from Patches and give it to Siegward in the well?
Or do I need to tell Patches where he is?

I want to keep Seigward alive but I don't know if he'll die in that well after the Pontiff boss fight.

>>174758519
I mean lucy has been here since the DaS days (maybe even DeS, can't remember).

I doubt he's going anywhere m8.

>>174758771
because girls don't exist silly Anon

>>174758519
Stop giving him attention. Just ignore him. Don't respond, even if it's to tell him to fuck off.

>>174758771
Why would I need to bring up my gender

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>>174758559
He's been here for years, anon. He's been here so long and yet /dsg/ is gay as ever.

>>174758718
Did you not read my post?

>>174758771
There are plenty of "girls" though

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What is the most frustrated you've ever made a host, short of making them disconnect?

>>174758257
Demon souls should have been ported
Dark souls port was terrible and the pvp was a joke
Dark souls 2 base game wasn't even worth the money
Dark souls 3 was the fallout 4 of the series, an 8/10 but still disappointing in every way

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Getting back into SotFS

Having fun.

Remember that weird spin in circles thing tryhards do.

fuck

>>174758850
Then YOU fuck off.
Go on, you're not helping, leave.

>>174758771
There are.

>>174758842
i wanna see how you've done in DS3, cmon post your stats, i'm interested.

>>174758771

because you're gross and desperate for attention, i'm sure you'd be clingy as fuck. 0/10 would not play games with.

>>174758794
Yeah I think so, but I could be fucking wrong.

>>174758545
>World and Character Tendency is a clumsy mechanic
Wrong, and they are two separate mechanics

>No fast travel, you have to spend months getting to place to place.
>What are shortcuts?

>The rubble to the right of the shrine of winter being knee high and we can't pass it
Agreed

>It's lack of shame of being unoriginal, pandering to DaS1fags
I think this is because Big M finally realized this is the only way to get by with the time and budget Bamco offers.

>>174758801
DeS threads are why I got into the series in the first place. I didn't use a trip until DaS1 though.

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>>174758914
You have some inordinate anger issues.

I just came back here and i've been gone for a while
Is he still here? Am i safe now?

>>174758801
>>174758807
I know I know

>>174758902

>keep dropping warmth under midir

woops meant to heal host :^)

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>>174758930

>>174758991
Why do you stay around, if the generals are so terrible in your mind. Obviously you're part of the problem.

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>>174758109
>2013
god damn it

>>174758902
It's always a warm, fuzzy feeling when a host, fed up with your shit, jumps off a cliff or runs straight into mobs and just stands there rather than put up with it anymore.

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>mfw watching game theory about dark souls
It's so bad, theories based upon theories of theories, it's like a god damn comedy

Does DaS3 have better areas than DaS1?

>>174759225
But that's part of the charm.
>*WILD SPECULATION*
>"but if that's true, that must mean..."
>*EVEN WILDER SPECULATION*

>>174757559
How do you know? It takes a cheater to know one and, as a CE user, I can say a lot of players use CE to get unfair PvP advantages they shouldn't be allowed to.
And if you don't think getting stats you shouldn't be allowed to hurts PvP, then I don't know what to tell you.

>>174759316
Yes.

>>174759316
DS3 only does combat better than das1, but fails at everything else

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>>174758902
After killing 4 blues and 2 phantoms and making the host go dry on estus while dry myself I unzip a final force casted ember to regain full health.

>Connection has been lost

>>174758257
DeS:Gender exclusive Armors
DaS:Having to Save scum or get lucky for black knight weapons before endgame
DSII: NG+ phantoms having chance drops of single pieces to unique sets
BB: sony exclusive so I've got like one friend on it
DSIII: The sheer amount of good material that ended up cut content

Damn just had tbe craziest invasion

>invade as Aldrich going down ladder and see a host and phantom
>i wait for back up with obscuring ring and a red invades.
>i hide in the corner and let the red go in first
>he rushes in like a complete mad man into the two
>all of a sudden i see dark magic casting behind the red and there's already two in front of him
>i start casting on the invisible guy
>out of no where a literal mad purple phantom appears behind me
>chaos ensues
Wtf there were like 3 of us invisible and I thought it was a simple 2v1v1 at the start

i absolutely hate duels but love the chaos that is free-for-alls, how alive is 4/6 man brawls?

is there a particular SL i need to hit?

>>174759370
DaS1 did combat better too, especially PvP.

>>174759370
>better enemy variety
>better bosses
>better weapon variety
>better graphics
>better online
>better areas

Hmmm...

>>174759370
DS3 Firelink is such a shitty bummer of a place to be I almost cringe every time I have to go there.

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>>174759415
we should have gender exclusive spells desu

>>174758257
DeS: That's it's stuck on a shitty console with 16-24fps
DaS: That 60 fps causes issue
DaS II: That it was literally scraps they pulled from a recycle bin because Bamco are cunts
DaS III: Everything, literally the worst souls game
BB: No PS4 Pro patch, stuck at 24 fps.

As a dark souls fan, how is Nioh?

Is it worth getting? I heard the combat is better

>>174759618
Like I said, Wait until after the 1st to decide.

>>174759493
>>better enemy variety
wrong
>>better bosses
wrong
>>better weapon variety
wrong
>>better graphics
sure
>>better online
sure
>>better areas
wrong

>hide in hosts world so he can't get estus at bonfire
>quits game
well then

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i didn't know this covenant actually worked, I just wore it because I had it

>>174759618
Repetitive , but decent

>>174758430
Its just really gay because there are no new cute girls, only more dudes
If you make enough cute girls, all the fags stop acting gay and focus on their asses
We dont get that

>>174758257
I'll take this dance! (Shit where'd I put my fucking Jetstream Sam images fuck god damn it I can't find em)

DeS: Server Tendency is a pain in the ass and really shouldn't exist with so much cool shit being Pure Black/White only.

DaS1: The way the multiplayer connects and finds other players/messages/invaders/ whatever is infuriating. With DSCF it's pretty usable though. For another negative if you have DSCF: It takes too long for some builds to start actually _doing_ things, like Miracles. Have fun with Smores and Oreos to get your nice shit, fuck boy.

DaS2: The "nerf everything" mentality made the Longsword seem overpowered. The. Fucking. LONG. SWORD. It also boned over fun things.

BB: Bloodtinge builds basically do nothing for the first third/half of the game, depending on how much side shit you want to do. They just Parry things to death like everyone else until the Reiter/Chikage.

DaS3: Way too many enemies feel like they're transplanted from Bloodborne without any regard to how the player's mechanics changed from BB to DaS3. From seems to have a massive hate-boner for invasion victims, but discussing the merits and demerits of the various changes is beyond the scope of this reply.

>>174759513
And I actually find Firelink pretty comfy. OPINIONS

>>174759316
Yes. Cathedral is one of the best designed levels by from.

>>174759701
never leave

Are Miracles good in DaS3? Obviously nothing can top pre-nerf DaS2 lightning but I do still have a soft spot for it.

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I did it, /dsg/, after 152 hours of DS3 I have finally gotten my first hatemail

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>>174759796
you better kill some filthy invaders now, do the host's work.

>>174759618
It was a great game during the Alpha, but after the Beta Tecmo-Koei kept catering to the lowest common denominator making it a bland boring game. There's 17 enemy types total, all of which you encounter in the first 30 minutes. It has great combat but there's not place for it to shine

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>decide to invade
>out of the 10 people i've fought, every single one was using the dual greatswords
>lose every time because the tracking on them is insane and, even if you roll into them at the correct time, can still be punished by an instakill combo
even everything in DeS except magic wasn't this broken

>>174759704
You have to have incredible shit taste to think DS1 had better bosses or better areas than DS3.

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Has anyone actually had problems with weapon durability in 3?

Does it only exist to add some sort of weakness to the katanas?

>>174759862
>From seems to have a massive hate-boner for invasion victims
how

>>174759704

wot? tell me what bosses in dark souls 1 were better, same with enemies. The game was piss easy and most bosses barely did anything except for orn&smo and the dlc bosses. you must be talking aesthetics? because that's subjective.

>>174759891
Lightning arrow is the best projectile in the game.
Weapon buffs like dark weapon and sunlight blade are okay if you have high faith
The other miracles are kind of shit though

To all you Darkmoons out there, thirsty for ears...
How does it make you feel when a host doesn't gank the invader with you?

>>174759943
What did they do to ruin it exactly?

>>174758902
in ds1 i made a sl4 crestfallen warrior build and invaded a sl220~ giant dad in the church. I parried him 30 times in a row pretty much and then messaged him after the fight. "Thats just embarrassing etc..."

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only 10 left
i feel like shit
but the dark soul will be mine

>>174759704
Dark Souls 1 has 4 good bosses and theyre all in the DLC, minus O&S
Everyone else is trivial once you just learn how to control your fucking character
The biggest challenge of this game isnt the bosses, its learning how to play the fucking game right

How come I never see people use the quick weapon buff in PvP or any resin at all for that matter, not enough souls left after going all the way to 120?

>>174758257
>DeS
Bosses are a little too gimmicky for their own good and the context sensitive climb mechanic was awful for its extreme inconsistency

>DaS
Yellow fog walls were unnecessary.

>DaS2
Soul memory, ADP, enemy despawning, no full red orb.

>BB
Doesnt do much with it's own lovecraftian themes in terms of level design, combat and rpg mechanics are too streamlined.

>DaS3
World inter connectivity is WAY too linear and rolling is way too fucking OP'd (stamina consumption in general is way too low on most things)

>>174760020
Every patch has something making invasion victims have more of their crutches or tools knocked out from under them. Or at least that's how it seems to my memory of the patches. So much shit gets tweaked that, I'll admit, I forget half of the stuff.
That's all I'll say on the matter though. We all know what the changes are, and I'm sure they've been bickered to death.

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>>174760104
How many are you getting from drops compared to summons?

>>174759943
It was still playable during the last chance demo, but it because super casual at release. There is PvP patch incoming which has the chance to salvage he game, hence why you should wait and see.

>>174760105
Every boss in every dark souls game is trival once you learn to fight them.

>>174760064
Reduced enemy aggro radius
Reduced enemy aggro leash
Reduced enemy damage
Reduced enemy stamina
Reduced enemy amount
Removed durabillity
Breathing mechanic nerfed
Camera system changed for the worse
movement system changed for the worse
Add overpowered weapons and moves which overshadow the original 3 weapons. Dual Swords and Reaper are op as fuck.

>>174758430
The only good generals are the ones for games that aren't popular enough so the posters focus more on keeping conversation alive rather than shitposting.

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ZULLIE HOW THE FUCK DO I SHRUG IN DS3

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>>174760210

>that image

every. fucking. time.

>>174759618
Shitty, repetitive as fuck game.

>>174758257
des
weight burden on items sitting in your inventory

ds1
caestus is worthless shit

ds2
cant roll backward and attack forward

ds3
NO BONE FIST

>>174757805
I bet you were that kid who unplugged your computer every time you saw a popup advertisement with a guy, because you were scared god was watching you and would not approve of you looking at gay porn online.

Are cliff racer, zullie and santa still here

>>174760219
Is the game still harder than souls games?

>>174760383
No.

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>>174759796
I GOT A TAFFIN NIGHT TO FIND YOU, YOU TAFFER!

>>174760164
Iskys used it all the time

>>174757362
guilty as charged

>>174760210
ive been summoned 4 times during 64 hours of gamepley, all of which i won
during the last 2 hours i got 12 proofs from farming

>>174760164
buffs in DaS3 do such pathetic damage that they really aren't even worth the time.

>>174760249
Generals tend to go to garbage when they get too slow, and people run out of on topic discussions.

>>174760164
only absolute tryhards bother see>>174760471

>>174757362
thats no gargoyle butt

>>174760212
DaS1 bosses have a WAY lower skill ceiling to learn how to fight though. The amount of bosses you could consider a challenge beyond the environment theyre in would be 1:10 when comparing DaS1 to DaS3

>>174760447
Well the pve in all souls games is piss easy but I still found it fun

>>174760164
I mainly use it for looks. Fire on the greatsword looks pretty sick

Anyone want to gank or co-op or arena?

What build so I try? I've done 60 INT, and STR/VIT

What's more fun, Faith or Pyro? Or what about quality?

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>>174760340
>NO BONE FIST
This one hurts the most. DaS2 Kung Fu Master was the most fun

is it worth completing Pate and Creighton's questlines or should i just kill them on sight for their sets?

>>174760181
because they started out with so much shit it looked like they were massively favored

>>174760710
faith is pretty fun especially with all the new shit and buffs it got recently

guys this is Aldrich right?

>>174758109
BOY
PUSSY
boipucci

>>174760991
Thats Aldrich alright

>>174760836
Unless you use a fast-hitting weapon like a twinblade, not really. But having the option to use the Engraved Gauntlets is nice.

So the angels in the ringed city DLC weren't the same kind that talked to gertrude were they? they didn't have feathers and all they did was moan

>>174760836
you get gloves that give random crits or something, I dont even remember. I guess ask yourself if that's worth it.

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>>174760991
>>174761029
fuck forgot pic

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>>174760292
this

>>174761059
No. Pilgrim Pupas only emerge at the end of the world, whatever angels appeared to Gertrude were completely different.

>>174760593
I know plenty of normies that rage quit DaS1 but made it through DaS3 no problem. The newer games seem to be way more forgiving to R1 spam, not to mention all the changes to summoning.

>>174760164
laziness
most people will if you pull out a shield with 100 phys though

>>174761059
Lets be honest at least 30 or 40% of the story probably got chopped at some point so we really have no way to tell what the fuck Gertrude was or what her deal was
This is true for most things in the game

>>174761147
Anyone got a pic of the Heineken bottle in the gutter?

>>174758257
>masssively overhyped for it's "innovation", when it's just a mix of half-baked ideas from Monster Hunter, Ocarina of Time, Everquest, and Armored Core, and Miyazaki admits it
>Best games in the franchise are PS3/PS4 exclusive
>Bandai Namco's "LOL PREPARE TO DIE" shit-tier marketing campaigns
>"Japan first" mentality with all the patches, ports, and releases
>Complete failure to have a decent multiplayer experience or
>No control customization
>took 5 years for combat to improve in any meaningful way, and by then the series was over
>80% of weapons in all the games are completely pointless, gimmicks, or not worth using by the time you reach them.
>the "lore" is just a bunch of badly-translated cool-sounding western ideas stolen from Beserk, which have now turned into conspiracy theorist levels of fuck by the awful fans
>Only way to have "fun" in pvp is to exploit bad design choices or balance
>only way to have "fun" in pve is to severely handicap yourself and only use the worst weapons and try to do the few sequence breaks the games have
>every game is rushed for development so everything after the halfway point is always mediocre
>each game in the series is made by completely different people, with no consistency except for which names are put on the top of the credits
>awful repetitive music that tries to do the same 'epic choir lol' shit from every 2006 video game or movie
>they don't learn from any of their mistakes with the previous games
>they could have been making bloodborne-tier quality games for 5 years if they weren't locked into churning out half-finished pieces of shit for Bandai Namco
>first they said it was "hard" then they said it was "punishing" but now everyone knows that the games were just badly designed and ended up difficult as a result

>this fucking general full of insecure idiots that think souls is the best series ever

>>174761147
thats what he SHOULDVE been

>>174760292
You can't. Those gestures don't show for anyone but you.

>>174761218
then what the hell are those pilgrim butterflies

>>174761225
>I know plenty of normies
stopped reading there

>>174761147
I dont think anyone really knows what that was
Its kinda like Aldrich though

>>174759937
Damn must have sucked to fight that guy. I hate runners. You could have just bc'd out you know?

>>174761310
Jesus christ he said one thing you god damn autist

>>174761345
>you cant shrug because only you can see it
k

>>174760862
Re-summoning phantoms has always been a thing. The connections just aren't shit now, so summoning only takes a few seconds, rather than a minute or more.
Giant's Seeds existed in 2. No complaints from that time, to my recollection.
Fingering makes for three phantoms and a host, but also two invaders. That's new, but 2v4 is still better than 3v1. As unlikely as 2v4 is.
Bluecops are moderately common due to the better connections. Two "zone" invasion covenants help get around that, and I've never had a slow period as either.
Invaders have a decent amount of healing now, and it's fast healing. 1 didn't have any other than the slow Humanity crunch, and I honestly don't recall how it worked in 2.

That doesn't seem "massively favored" to me. It's the same shit they always had. Phantoms, Seed, heals, resummoning. Invaders have even more stuff now as far as I can see. And that was to begin with. More of their weaknesses have gotten the axe.

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>FC
>katfag
>does nothing buy running attack
>fight lasts longer than 3 mins
>everyone jumps in and kills him

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GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
WHY THE FUCK CAN'T THE GOD DAMN HOSTS STAY ALIVE DURING MIDIR
EVERY FUCKING TIME I GET SUMMONED THEY DIE
I WILL KILL THE BOSS FOR YOU, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LITERALLY NOT DIE
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FUCKING MOUTH BREATHING MONGOLOID PIECES OF SHIT

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>tfw Eygon will never bully you into submission to become his servant because he keeps telling you over and over that you're a weak maiden and have no place on the battlefield so you become subservient to the superior warrior
why even live

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rate

>>174761359
You started it. You're the one claiming the bosses in DaS3 have harder to understand mechanics, but vets of the series have seen it all before. That just leaves normies.

>>174758902
When I kill all 3 of a host's phantoms as a spear they usually run behind a spear to disconnect, just play offline in the first place, bitch.

>>174761310
>>only way to have "fun" in pve is to severely handicap yourself and only use the worst weapons and try to do the few sequence breaks the games have
name one game where gimping yourself isn't more fun than playing normally

>>174761530
sh8

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>>174761468
>FC
>gaelfag
>does nothing but standing R1
>fight lasts longer than 3 mins
>everyone pelts him with tiny knives from afar

>>174761468
lol I had a similar thing happen to me when I was fighting a garg spear user in a fc

>>174761551
Devil May Cry

>>174761225
True
I suppose that it maybe isnt the bosses that got easier, but the game that did
DaS1 bosses are just too archaic to be hard, but the rest of the game was more punishing because it was also older. Longer heals, way more restrictive early game stamina and equip load, all that jazz
DaS3 is just too forgiving to the player, but the bosses are certainly way more complex
Theyre all a little squishy though

>>174759546
I hope no one ever listens to you ever.

>>174761359
What do you except from a namefag senpai

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>>174761310
>each game in the series is made by completely different people, with no consistency except for which names are put on the top of the credits

>>174761532
>You started it.
not the person you were replying to

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>watchdogs posting up next to the giant crabs and spamming welcome
Why does this happen so often? Do they expect me to do something other than walk away and go back to PvEing?

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>>174759796
I have been summoned 18 times today alone, in the last several hours, and got 24 ears out of it due to three of those summonings being in post-Pontiff.

Today was a good day for ears. Shame I've long since had DMB, so I'm just gradually climbing up the roster.

As someone who started with DS3, and was able to SL1 it (thanks to watching TolomeoR) I think I can safely say that DS1 is harder than 3.

I'm still struggling with O&S and I've been playing for a few days now, I think it wouldn't be so bad if I could backtrack without having to spend 50 minutes just to get to Andre or check back other areas.

what are the level ranges of undead matches? sometimes it feels like i get people that are far higher level than me

What ring should I ditch for Prisoner's Chain?
Morne's Ring
Sun Princess
Sage Ring

>>174761780
Morne's. The buff to miracles is really meager. Alternatively Sun Princess if you just want to use another, better alternative for regen, like a chime or the ethereal oak shield.

>>174761640
Hell and Hell mode my friend.

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They don't stand a fucking chance m8

>>174761780
sun princess, unless you stack regen effects the benefits are pitiful

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>special ability: parry
>its the worst parry in the game

>>174761749
its cause of this build why i had 61 poise on muh final build

>>174760771
Man I miss that weapon. Demon Fists just doesn't cut it.

>>174761768
You could always try getting and upgrading a Pyro Fame to get some nice extra damage, assuming you have the Attunement.

>>174761721
They know you'll get impatient. You'll take the bait and end up paying mr krabs his swamp tax, or you'll go back to pvping and get back stabbed when you least expect it, dying, or you'll go through he level and die because lmao poison + very limited estus from fighting and no bonfires.
Or something along those lines.

>>174761780
Definitely not sage
Probably morne's if anything

Your 4th ring is obviously the firstborn ring since you have morne's listed, so that means none of your rings are RoF. Depending on your stats, RoF is often a better first choice.

>>174761684
>DeS: Half of From Soft + SIE Japan Studio
>DS1: A mix of new hires plus DeS devs, most of the company involved
>DS2: AC Developers (ACV/ACVD)
>BB: DS1 team + SIE Japan Studio
>DS3: New hires after kadokawa buyout + management from DS1 and DS2

>>174761643
i can't think of any DaS3 boss that is hard though (not counting the DLCs). Pontiff almost came close, but then you learn you can parry him and he just becomes Gwyn 2.0.

>>174761865
Easier than Dante must Die mode, and you aren't gimping yourself. You're playing with in the rules of what the game sets.

>>174761879

go get em champ!

>>174761897
It's equal to a medium shield parry, katana parries are worse.

The more unforgivable thing is that it deals shit damage and can be parried despite being classed as a UGS.

>>174761897
a heavy bastard sword has more AR than a 40/40 FGS
Let that sink in for a moment.
Hawkwood's equipment is an UPGRADE

>>174761768
As someone else who started with DS3 too, I disagree. I don't think I died to any DS1 boss more than 5 times. And the only one I died 5 times to is O&S. Honestly, I didn't think any part of DS1 was hard at all and there definitely wasn't any boss that kicked my ass like some DS3 bosses did.

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>>174761919
I know. But man I'm fuckin' trying.

>>174761897
Had a Spear of the Church using this on me earlier today. I was surprised. I mean, it made it easy for me to just destroy him, but I haven't seen one of these babies since launch.

>>174761897
This weapon really needs a buff. The only reason it has any viability right now is that people forgot it existed and don't remember the moveset.

Replace the L1 with quick slashes with the dagger, and L2 with the Abyss Watcher Stance. L2 R1 R1 R1 does the old spinny-flip-slam, while L2 R2 does the scrapped Abyss Watcher Stomp. Boost the AR so it gets 580 AR 40/40 at least, and finally, make most of it's attacks unparriable.

>>174761897
>ring that they wear reduces FP consumption
>the weapon's skill doesn't use FP

>>174762130
FGS has the same parry frames as a katana but they forgot to give it falseparry frames, so there's no damage reduction or hyperarmour for a missed parry. It's the only parry in the game that can't falseparry.

Katanas have a sort of roundabout falseparry, they just give you unbreakable HA and like 60ABS during the parry animation so you take almost no damage and can't be staggered if you fuck up.

the memesword parry is just shit.

>>174761768
The big difference between 1 and 3 is that 3 has really forgiving rolls, very low stamina cost, high iframes and most attacks in DS3 you can dodge as soon as the enemy raises their sword because the budget couldn't afford a start up animation.

DS3 is all about twitch-reaction dodging
DS1 is about timing your dodges.

>>174762019
>Gwyn 2.0.
By virtue of the game not having DaS1 parrying and Pontiff not having 3 moves, he isnt "just" Gwyn 2.0
You have to learn AT LEAST 2-3x as many moves on a DaS1 boss than you'd have to learn for any vanilla DaS1 boss, and that would by direct comparison take more effort, making DaS3 bosses harder

>>174761551
Anything by Platnium Games, most turn based RPGs, most real time strategy / 4X games, metal gear franchise, most racing sims (GT, Forza, Asetto corsa)

Basically, any game developed by semi-competent designers that understand that a game should reward you with more fun by getting better at playing it normally.

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How should I finish my build before heading into the DLCs? I have 8 levels worth of souls

could anyone possibly drop me a knight ring, hunter ring, and a prisoners chain on pc?

>>174761749
What sl and wl? And how long does it take to get summoned?

>>174762367
not really.
>Parry his melee,
>back away from his explosion,
>spam R1 as he is summoning a clone.

That's all you have to learn.

>>174762570
just CE it in yourself offline

>>174762496
Vit/vig gouge until fashion has been met, then jut vit

>>174761896
>unless you stack regen effects the benefits are pitiful
over the course of a minute long fight (length of a typical buff) SPR gives a good ~120 hp. At 39 hp unembered, you have 1200 hp. If you throw on a life ring +3 for an extra 10%, you're adding 120 hp.

It's as good as life, give or take, assuming you aren't using block heals or sunny D and hitting the top of your healthbar over and over again regardless, and that you don't have such low base HP that you get instakilled from full health before your regen can do anything. It isn't exactly a mandatory ring, and life +3 is a safer bet (especially if you ringswap to SPR after getting hit), but you don't need to stack it for the effect to be worthwhile. SPR with a blessed offhand is pretty good.

>>174762496
at least hit 27 vig holy fuck
the 25th level of endurance gives 2 points of stam, but the 26th gives 4 with RoF +3, so I'd go for that as well

>>174762367
>>174762019
>>174762364
>>174761768

DS3 is forgiving enough that you can beat it without really understanding, memorizing, or practicing the mechanics. You can react to everything instead.

So if you played DS3 and just focused on beating stuff, not on the actual optimization/mechanics involved (like practicing parries or trying to roll as little as possible) then DS1 will seem incredibly hard for you, since you are required to learn how to do those things.

Then again, DS1 can also be trivialized with a greatshield and heavy armor so there's that.

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>>174761897
you just need a lot of vig to make up for it being a really bad weapon and then you can use it

>>174761551
what's weird is that From is actually really good at making games where you aren't required to gimp yourself, except for the souls series, which are awful for that.

>>174762778
>why is he doing such low daaaaaaooooooooooohhhhhhhhhkay then

>>174762691
That's a load of shit because I literally shield turtled the entirety of DS1. Not even a GS but with a normal shield.

>>174762572
SL125, +10. Pretty crazy. Just been summoned twice more since I made that post.

>>174762806
>>174761551
I really think Fromsoft just balances the PvE around SL1, and then give the player the tools to level and make the game easier.

>>174762605
>>Parry his melee,
Ah yes
Its that simple
Parry one of his many attacks with one of his two swords, one of which usually focuses on quickly stabbing you, the other that leaves fire to widen his hitboxes.
It really is Gwyn 2.0

>>174762904
being a shield turtle with heater/ crest / grass crest / dragon crest shield is easy enough, but it's greatshields that completely trivialize the game to a point where you don't even need to move to kill most bosses.

>>174763073
Stop responding to him, he's retarded and likes to pretend he's amazing at the game.

I was earlier told that titanite shards are okay to do whatever with, but slabs aren't. What about twinkling titanite? I like using the irithyll straight sword and I want to upgrade it if I can.

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>>174762031
Based PvE carrying my scrub ass

>>174762778
>99 vig with +3 life and Fap = 2121 hp
>vordt user deals 3122 damage overall
gives me cancer

>>174763134
Once you get Dragon Chaser and Easterner's Ashes, you can buy all of the upgrade materials for souls from the Old Woman. You get 1 slab from her per NG cycle, and about five more from non-DLC content. Then the DLC has like three or four slabs each? That's it.

>Arena
>Fag run away and heal
>Expect me to actually keep fighting him and not just dodge forever until draw/unplug ethernet
lol t b h

What happened to Ornstein in 3?

>>174762839
>>174763153
Welcome to PC

>>174762607
i dont know how to ce and besides someone could just back up their save before dropping me the rings

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>>174763073
I just always parried his first attack, which was ridiculously easy with the first weapon or a buckler.

>>174763132
That's what you said when I said Defiled Amy was one of the easiest bosses in BB too.

>>174763242
He turned into a dragon xD
Solaire is a sandworm
Wolnir is bearer of the curse
Chosen Undead is the skeleton in Majula defending the lord vessel

>>174763319
I was here for that shit show and Amy is easy if you cheese him, surprise surprise. Off yourself already you e-peen stroking shit stain. You contribute nothing except the same shitty talking points and the same shitty webms. Surprised that Amy kill doesn't have a pizza cutter.

What the shit, did they rebalance Oceiros, why is he rushing back and forth the damn arena.

Seriously, this is bullshit, phase 1 goes normal, phase 2 and he does nothing but the rush.

>>174763319
I hate you Luci, but these DS3babies are absolutely worse with their delusion

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>>174763151

>>174763346
Autism

>>174763134
You get a finite amount of slabs per newgame cycle, everything else can be bought indefinitely if you have the souls.

You can trade in a coiled sword fragment to the crows on top of firelink for a slab. If you go into a new newgame cycle, be sure to do that before picking up the coiled sword fragment again: you can't carry two, picking another one up while you've already got one just deletes the fragment on the floor, effectively erasing a free slab.

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I HATE THIS GAME!

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Guys, I found out how to make sorcery viable!

Has anyone done a whip run? Is it fun?

>>174763558
I do not envy my brethren who have not yet achieved 30 ears.

>>174763558
get fucked nerd

>Spears fight
>great weapon user every time
>abusing every broken mechanic they can every time
>never just tries to make a good, fun bossfight with a gimmick or cosplay build; no, they HAVE to win at all costs
And people wonder why they're not getting summons as Spears anymore. People just do it offline rather than deal with shithead invaders with a grudge.

>>174763641
almost anything can be fun pve

>>174763641
Only if said whip is the witch's locks.

>>174763559
I was expecting a webm where you respec to 66str tbqh

>>174763641
Rose of Ariandel is ok, if you count that, though i havent used it after the newest patch. Witch's Locks are actually surprisingly decent. Other whips are DOGSHIT

>>174763667
I'm actually getting pretty close to the boss myself. Gonna Fire Witch cosplay bitches.

>>174763728
>If you are a sorcerer, go to Rosaria and ask for a respec

>>174763462
I haven't followed the conversation, is this about DaS bosses supposedly being harder than DaS3 bosses?

>>174763882
idk whats goin on either but I could of sworn someone posted a pic showing lucy as a laughing stock who barely played any of the souls games and just talks a lot of shit.

>>174763452
It's the exact same scenario. I pointed out Defiled Amy easy as fuck. Idiots on here said a bunch of dumb shit like this:

>>174763132
>>174763073
Accusing me of just making shit up and trying to talk big.

Then after I post the webm tunes suddenly start changing to: "Oh sure, if you do it like that and {okay smart}."

This shit with the Pontiff is no different.

>>174763882
It's DS3babies saying gwyn is shit because you can parry him but pontiff gets a free pass

>>174763772
I just don't know what From was thinking, making the Old Monk callback fight a non-optional one.

>>174763882
just by nature of being on average faster than DaS1 bosses the DaS3 bosses are harder
Half of them feel like they belong in BB sometimes

>>174763667
I actually have a boss build I use as Spear, basically using the most intimidating armor and weapon I could find, no spells though.

I get erased by gankswuads in less than two minutes everytime I'm summoned.

>>174763852
>>174763728
>>174763559
Can I get a cliff notes on why Sorcery builds are considered bad? They definitely seem... Cost inefficient from my experience, but there's gotta be more reason than that, right?

pls no shit, I actually don't understand why. Be detailed, if possible.

>>174764021
>ganksquads
I don't think that term applies to a fight where you play the boss they have to get through to progress the game.

>>174759987
Stop being a shitter. 2 step path to beating them every time.
1. Equip quickstep dagger
2. Win every encounter by pressing l2

>>174763559
Lol you just dont give a fuck huh?

>>174763995
Pontiff isnt comparable to Gwyn
Gundyr is Gwyn
Stop trying to make dumb comparisons

When will the next fun soulsbourne come out, pvp has become unbearable and pve is a straight line where you can go backwards for a second but not past a certain point.

>>174763995
Gwyn IS shit because you can parry it.
The fundamental difference between how bosses work between the games, is that DaS3 bosses have more advanced AI.

Meanwhile DaS bosses just do the same set of actions every time, without so much as noticing differences in player actions.

Pontiff's AI is better than Gwyn's and to cheese him requires a very specialized setup, meanwhile all you need to cheese Gwyn is a parry shield. The timing is extremely easy to learn, and it trivializes the last boss of DaS.

>>174764065
Sorceries are super easy to Dodge just by strafing.
They also so very little damage until you are 60 Int with Court Sorc Staff +10.
Add to that that sorceries have relatively high fp costs compared to the damage they do and the fact that they have no poise Casting Option like miracles jus makes them crappy.

>>174764256
in 4 years on the PS5 only, pre-order now

Is sss + lightning arrow the strongest build in the game? Just finished making this, and haven't lost a pvp match yet.

>>174764331
crucifix is a close second

>>174764257
To parry pontiff you carry whatever you're good at parrying with and stay on his right side, party the attack where he swings around and hits you with the propane greatsword, dodge everything else. When he is cloning, just r1 spam until you kill the ghost, go back to parries

>>174763957
He thinks I used a guide because I only have the Dark Lord ending on the PS3 version of DaS1. Everyone already knows I played DaS1 on 360, and I only had 1 character on PS3 DaS1, which was a recreation of my 360 character and was only made for PvP.

>>174764005
Nah, way more estus, less stamina cost, and faster everything balances it out.

>>174764257
All you need to parry the pontiff is a shield.

Doing TRC for the first time.

Those crawling corpses just keep respawning, right? I can one shot them with my Dragonslayer Greataxe but should I just keep running?

>>174764257
>without so much as noticing differences in player actions.
haha
haha
hahaha
the same shit is the same in ds3

you can kill friede easily by staying a distance away and baiting the only two attacks she does at that range which is black flame overhead and ice overhead

pontiff ALWAYS does the leap attack at the start
pontiff ALWAYS does the leap attack if you're far away
Pontiff ALWAYS does the stab side swing when you're on his side

pontiff doesn't require any set up, you run up, press parry, and now he's 50% life if you're at the minimum level for him and 75% if not

he ALWAYS goes to phase two after 50%
and he ALWAYS summons his stand afterwards

There are very few bosses that are truly random in DS3

>>174764065
After playing one for the better part of 50 hours, here's definitively why Sorcery builds are fucking awful. First off, the initial draw to a sorcery build is:
>Super duper damage spells
>MLGS
>Fun wizardry
>Cheese PvE
>Utility (Although that's just a draw for all casters)

However,
>Literally every single sorcery can be completely nullified by rolling to the side or even just strafing normally
>MLGS is actually really good, but it's brought down just by how shitty sorcery is and you'd just be better off using a Str GS/UGS
>While it may seem fun at first, there's really no fun in using the same 2-3 sorceries over and over to kill everything
>Cheesing PvE is all well and good, but running past everything with Spook + Hidden Body is just flat boring
>Utility is the only good thing about sorceries really, but it'll never be used in PvP

So yeah, the only good part about sorcery is the MLGS, which you'd just be better off with a real GS

>>174764110
You don't need 3 Summons to beat the spear. You also don't need to constantly revive Spear so you can destroy the spear over and over again with your 3 buttbuddies.
You also don't need to all have dugs and gaels. You also don't need to point down.

>>174764473
there's a few areas where their spawns are infinite, but it's easy enough to wriggle your way past 'em. what I do is kill the wizards so they don't get me with that big ol' soul grabby thing

>>174764480
Are you really that retarded?

Are you seriously saying that Gwyn has more variety in his actions than Pontiff?

>>174764473
The caster ones have a summoning spell that causes them to spawn repeatedly for a short time. This can also summon other casters, who then cast the summoning spell again.
There's one or 2 areas where there's so many casters that this feedback loop is almost impossible to stop, but they aren't technically infinite.

>only 2 guaranteed sharp gems until fucking archives

>>174764505
It's funny, you know. People who do ganksquads are usually salty invaders who've decided to "turn the tables".
You're eating yourselves.

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Post mains.

>>174764565
Yeah, the huge humanity thing hit me pretty fucking hard so I just crushed those and ran past.

running a new area tends to give me this weird heavy feeling of slight anxiety, which is weird. I'm not like scared of the game or anything, I think I just don't wanna lose my shit or miss something.

>>174764065
Your good spells are locked behind Grand Archives so you have to slog through the whole game to get to them. Int requires very high investment to the point where you have to sacrifice vig, end, vit or a mix of both. Low vit means no poise so you can't trade too well if you have something like a MLGS. You also have to wear gay looking ears and have at most if not all of your ring slots taken up to boost spells.

>>174764657
I'm not even an Invader.
I mostly blueberry, but being a Boss sounded like fun so I gave it a try.

>>174764682
totally. no shame in looking up the nooks you can miss in the first area. i did after I beat all the bosses and i was quite surprised at what I missed

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>>174763559
>>174763728
>>174763852
I'm actually a sorc and drowning in human dregs.

I do ok in 1v1s but in group fights I'm usually destroying everything.

>>174764764
Sorcery is great in invasions where chaos is going on, CSS nukes are amazing
But people who bitch about sorcery are doing so because its actually dogshit in duels

>>174764565
>>174764473
They're not actually infinite; if you kill the staff-wielding guy with slightly more health than the rest who's usually tucked away in some nook or behind a lot of them, he stops summoning them in.

>>174764065

Speaking as someone who has a good Sorcery build.

Sorcery is probably the worst of the three schools of magic now relatively. The offensive options are limited with probably the most high FP cost nukes with shit wind-up times for cast even with Sage Ring. The buffs for sorcery were already worse than Faith/Pyro buffs and since the recent nerfs aren't even as good in PvE. The addition of spells like Lightning Arrow to Faith along with Faiths already strong heals have really tipped the balance.

Now Sorcery does have good things beyond the MLGS. There's Great Farron Dart which is an infinite throwing knife so long as you have FP which does more damage than a standard throwing knife and 60 INT with Court Staff. That's great for chip damage and finishers. The best spell Sorcery has though is Homing Soulmass. The basic Soulmass has barely any cast animation and a good sorcerer can keep it up all the time. Through careful angling and backsteps you can make approaching yourself as a Sorcerer with it always dangerous especially if you pair it with a Crystal Longsword or MLGS to punish any roll attempts around you. There's some other good spells but those are the best by far for Sorcery. The problem with sorcery again though is that it doesn't have the heals plus talisman hyperarmor miracles have which is worse since miracles have an actually fast offensive ranged option now, while not having the speed and melee options pyros have like with Fire Surge and Black Flame.

>>174764807
Stop responding or talking about him.
Ignore him samefagging and responding to his own posts.

>>174762353
Do you mean a partial parry you fighting game reject?

>>174764807
>get BTFO
>start pretending to be someone else
I laugh every time.

What's a good crowd control pyromancy?

>>174764764
Oh yeah Sorcs are powerful if they can hide behind others and shoot CSS at distracted opponents.

Except Pyros do that equally well and are better in 1v1 too.

>>174764764
>>174764825
This
Sorcery is perfect for Aldrich invasions, but literally nothing else
I'm gonna make a new character, pure str because sorcery just isn't that fun

>>174761721
Just do the best thing, summon purple man hodrick and drag his ass through the level with you. He will kill everything for you, and god help the watchdogs that try and start shit around hodrick.

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>>174764681
I can't put that many hours into a character without moving onto a new one

>>174764065
Sorx is fine. You just have to accept that you will never be the top 1v1 alpha pussy destroyer.

Sorc excels at invasions, ambushes, and group fights.

I have so many recordings of a 2v2 or 3v3 quickly and I mean very very quickly turning into a 3v1 because I'm vaporizing phantoms while they are looking away.

You can't really think of yourself as a dueler but an assassin capable of instant killing anything not full on health or at the very least forcing an estus which you can punish.

>>174758453
I've never before seen anybody be so wrong about literally everything in a post before

My god

It's almost impressive, in a retarded kind of way

>>174764807
Then fucking stop replying to him. Holy shit, this isn't hard. Even /bbg/ knows better than to reply to that faggot.

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>>174765013
>that many K***hts

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g-guys

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~6 years and people still respond to Lucifer.

6 years of him saying retarded shit.
Getting proven wrong and BTFO.
Getting called out, exposed even.

And yet you still feed him.

>>174764602
I never said that, I said Pontiff was Gwyn 2.0
You implied that DS3 bosses do not act the same way everytime, and that's where you were wrong.

>>174765219
Isn't there a path behind you to the left that you can take for a safe drop-down back to the beginning of the arena?

DeS: Mountains Captcha
DaS: Streetsign Captcha
DaS2: Vehicles Captcha
DaS3: Street Numbers Captcha
BB: Legacy captcha

>>174765246
You are wrong on both of those things.

Hi

>>174764969
Could you help me build a pyro build?
I honeslty have no idea even what stats to use
Was thinking the onyx blade would be fun though.

>>174764825
>>174764838
>Through careful angling and backsteps you can make approaching yourself as a Sorcerer with it always dangerous especially if you pair it with a Crystal Longsword or MLGS to punish any roll attempts around you.

This is how I defend my self in a 1v1 unless they have a spear or washing pole.

>>174764969
>>174764972
But its still very very powerful in anything that isn't a 1v1. And even in 1v1s you can hold your own with homing soul mass if you angle it and use a side weapon to punish rolls.

My build literally has like 9 vig and I do ok in 1v1s especially if they are using a great sword ir anything bigger.

>>174765219
Try taking a running start

>>174764414
>>174764450
>>174764480
So just disregarding Pontiff and Gwyn
Every other boss in DaS1 is shit
Asylum - shit
Taurus - shit, lack of space is the boss
Capra - shit, room and dogs are the boss
Moonlight Butterfly - tedious shit with jank magic spikes
Gargoyles - okay but not a challenge at all since theyre slow as fuck
Gaping Dragon - beefy shit
Quelaag - ugly shit
Ceaseless - ugly shit 2.0 that literally has built-in cheese
Iron Golem - beatable by an NPC and also has built-in cheese
O&S - actually good
Seath - bitch got no legs and consists of just telegraphed sweeping aoe attacks
Demon Firesage - wow another shitty Asylum Demon
>Centipede Demon - waiting for the boss to reach you in the challenge
>Bed of Chaos - not fit for Dark Souls
>Sif - everyone hugs his legs because thats the only fucking place to hit him
>4kangz - People have poise by then, poise trivialize them
>Gwyn - parried
They all have like 3 or 4 moves. They just dont have the room to be considered hard

>>174765219
I think you need to find a really big clip and attach it to the scruff of its neck so you can drag it into position without it resisting.

>>174765473
>quelaag
>ugly
delete this

>>174764969
I do think pyro is stronger in a 1v1 but I just can't see it doing what sorc can do in group fights.

It hits hard but not one shot hard. Css just deletes health bars.

>>174765502
More like delete her ugly face from this planet and turn her into a sword

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>>174765219
I had the same problem

I ended up just magic missling him to death

>>174758257
>DeS
I never played it and it's all spoiled for me
>DaS
Lost Izalith.
>DaS2
Petrified NPCs
>DaS3
Too many invincibility frames.