/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>>174519807
He's probably the same idiot who thinks that pacifist means letting ayys in your house fuck your daughter.

SPIDERS

ECKS DEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Nice new thread when we're still undercapped and on page 1, btw.

>>174519892
>752 posts
>page 4
Whut? Are you drunk?

>>174519886
Well it IS a Swedish game.

>>174519984
That sadly makes sense. A cuck making a game will attempt to justify all the cuckoldry taking place in his shitty self-insert game.

>>174520010

I think the beth power plant will be better overall but it will take some time to research so you can just drop a mine on it until then

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most of the boons are only 60 months long, which makes them somewhat great but also quite finnicky if you're not savescumming
So it's almost always a good idea to just summon avatars if given the chance

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I'm already burned out and I haven't even built any megastructers yet. When are they going to add stuff to make the late game fun?

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These fuckin names

>>174519938
>You're supposed to build half a dozen factories, tell them to build a mix of units and set their rally point inside the enemy's bases.
>HALF A DOZEN FACTORIES
Isn't that excessive? I mean, I play most of my games with just one barrack. Is SupCom that different?

>>174520239
Don't believe the lies calling it a wargame. It's an economic strategy game.

>>174520186
>that flag

>>174520301
Ha, okay. Since I saw it kept tracks of the units' XP, I thought it was like Dragonshard, where you have a few units that get stronger with experience.

Do achievements work again yet?

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>thing is complete next round
>oy vey, you want to finish the thing extra fast, goyim?

>>174520426
Yes, if you start a new game in 1.5.1

>>174520239
you need to build as much as your income allows you to, good players tend to build even more to make sure they waste nothing

you also need to balance economic growth with military growth, especially on larger maps (>20km) you can probably skip tech 1 units, although first bomber and ghetto gunships can still be very dangerous

tier 1 extractors are very cheap to build so capturing resource points even for a minute can make a profit, you need to be proactive

in any teamgame I'd advise to be on the lookout for potential com rushers or heavy bot rushes, even on larger maps

>>174520571

I think all it does is saves the industry cost and adds it on to the next building

>Want to have a nice comfy society this time where everyone can be happy
>Three decades in already have planet loads of ayy slaves

I can't help myself

>>174520410
veterancy doesn't really impact the game unless it's your ACU or an experimental, where leveling up can give a lot of HP

it's kinda bullshit, just like kumo, and honestly should be removed from the game, just like kumo from the OP

>>174520730
So it's perfectly fine and balanced, got it.

>>174520675
lay off the (((alt-right))) memes kiddo

>>174520805
remember your ACU is basically the most powerful unit in the game, so be sure to upgrade and use it offensively and defensively, without putting it too much at risk

>>174520897
What about the Support units? Don't they have, like, a shitload more HP than the ACU while being even less costy than the experimentals?

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>start new game of endless legend as horatio
>expanding like a boss within own system
>researching all the things
>sheredyn invades but leaves again
>meet automatons, we cool
>go visit sheredyn system
>they block me in
>let me go, let me go bro
>they destroy my fleet
>automatons offer peace, accepted
>sheredyn at war with both automatons and me
>sheredyn blocks one of my new systems
>trade it to automatons for a fee
Saved and left the game there.

Is it normal that you get to see the score screen every time you stop a session? Seems a bit cheating that you know about what everyone got once you continue.

>>174521086
I think the HP is comparable, and you can't build them until way late game anyway

their main use is for stacking the economic upgrade, but I don't think it's cost effective, otherwise they're basically just suicide bombers

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How can I improve it?

Are Impulse Thrusters the strongest engine you can get?

>>174521209

Authoritarian instead of Egalitarian, of course.

Are those reptillian ships?

>>174521159
based automatons

>>174521187
Dunno, when I checked, an ACU was 12k HP, and a support unit was 20k.
Both unupgraded.

Haaa, but I'm using the vanilla game too, maybe it's changed in the expansion.

>>174521209
im stealing this, finally found something to do with that anteater pic.

>>174521297
many things were changed in the expansion

enjoy your nukes while they last

>>174521351
all yours my friend :^)

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>>174521368
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
They better not have nerfed them!

>>174520807
I ain't your boogieman, bud.

>Xenophile fallen empire awakens
>Demands that I join it
>proceeds to sit on their ass for 200 years and not even expand or tell anyone else to join them
d-did I scare the AI into cucking me out of expanding through war?
I never even purged or enslaved any aliens species I took over

Ship design for new players pastebin guy here. I've updated it slightly to clarify battleships are never worth using if you aim to minmax and I've added a section with more info on armor values to make them a little easier to understand.

https://pastebin.com/2QWUPKSh

Feedback welcome.

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>>174521858
>proceeds to sit on their ass
How do you sit on someone else's ass???

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>naming your planets X Prime

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>not naming your planets X Prime

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Which Human faction is more suitable for a first time player?

>>174522770
>not naming is 5067171109841.jpg

>>174522819
I swear the leader of the United Cuckolds used to be less diverse.

>>174522819
>Black leader
>le tribal outfit xdd
Paradox is so problematic. I can't believe this. We should boycott them until they change this. Also last time I played, one of my scientist got the "Substance Abuser" trait, of course it was the black guy! Down with Paradox!

>>174522819

First one is gonna get declared on for being an easy target. Second one is gonna get declared on for being a probable hostile target.

Take your pick.

>>174522872
She was the same, she just had long hair instead of a bun.

You know what is a Method of Purging they should have Added
a Method of Genetically altering Species to be identical to yours as a method of purging pop
I would kill to be able to convert56 the entire galaxy into cute butterfly moth things

>>174523108

Ok

>>174522819
UNE for easier diplomacy I'd say

>>174522450
Can't be bothered trying to follow my naming convention past a certain point.

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>Naming your planets

>>174522965
I wish there was a nicer "fancy" outfit than that dress to be honest.
Too garish.

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Is it me or are spaceports much stronger now in the early game than they were at launch?

Sentient AI is harmless without synths, yeah?

>>174523240
I'm role playing as a Hive minded Swarm of insectoids and I usually just add -Hive or -Colony to the end of a planet's original name.

>>174523439
Don't think so.
Also brb, shaving.

>>174523505
Aye

Can you terraform a planet occupied by primitives?

>>174523439
they buffed them a bit so you couldnt rush them as easily with 20 corvettes in 8 years

>>174523710
Non-sentient yes, stone age and up, no.

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>>174523526
>Whatever Prime Hive
>Whatever Prime Colony

>Whatever Hive
>Whatever Colony
>Whatever Hive II
>Whatever Colony II

>>174523762
So my only option is invading, purging, terraforming and then settling?

>>174523904
Yes.
If you can't invade due to ethics, you might be able to infiltrate, like in X-com, making them part of your empire directly. Regular uplift makes them a protectorate.

>>174523904

There's a mod that allows it and it's a planned thing for 1.6.

>>174523971
Welp, better fire up those gas chambers then

>not naming your planet after its star so you can tell where it is from the map

>it's a "spend 4 months orbiting some random
uninhabited planet instead of bombarding the tiny as fuck but inhabited moon" episode

>>174524034
Source on this info?

>>174524384

Wiz's twitter

I wish there were terraforming policies so to allow for faster but much more costly terraforming, special terraforming outside of tomb/gaia

Hell, I wish I could destroy other people's colonies by slamming moons onto them with covert ships or have costly, slow operations to give their colonies maluses like drop in habitability, ethics divergence or simply unrest factions

Where's my space spies shit, paradox?

>>174524713
20+ dlc at the low price of 200+ shekels, truly a steal! :^)

>>174524896
>truly a steal!
literally, if you catch my drift : ^ )

So, I managed to conquer the galaxy while having the
>there will be a price to pay from making a contract with the eater of worlds

and won.

Should I just quit while I'm ahead or keep playing?

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How do you even begin to defeat the unbidden?

They just spawned about 10x fleets of 50-70k, the other empires are too pants-on-head retarded to do anything or let me through their territory, and the FE won't awaken. What the fugg do I do?

>>174525249
Wait for the FE to awaken

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Is there a mod or something to expand the view on this? Only displaying 5 ships is whack

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This is really fucking cool.

>>174523240
I name all the planets in the solar systems I have colonizable planets in.

>>174525417
Blame dark UI.
Vanilla does display all your ship types, even if it gets crowded.

>>174525643
no it doesn't

>>174525696
Yeah it does, they just overlap, m8.

>>174525391
Almost seems like they're not going to, but I'll see.

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>species that's not your primary species joins the xenophobe faction

>>174525802
How big is your army?

>>174525880
Minuscule, like 20k, (I've been trying out a new playstyle). I have capacity for maybe 10k more.

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>>174525859
>immigrant becomes politician
>starts to oppose immigration
>"I wouldn't have let myself in"

true story

>>174525487
pretty much GG at that point if you've colonized all 4 habitats on a ring, enjoy your 10x over-limit fleet while still making income

>>174525982
Try to get it over 40k, that will awaken them

>>174526014
That's not me, that's my 4 vassals.

>>174526089
Ok thanks, I'll give it a shot.

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Okay, I'm starting to get it.
You have three productions : Military, Crypto, and Glory.
Depending from the traits you picked, you're good at one and another will piss your people off (for example, my people are kinda religious, so they hate wars for glory but at good at crypto wars).
Since there's little diplomacy, it's mostly about declaring wars and waiting until they're finished.

I don't really know how to explain it, but the game is extremely simple but at the same time a bit complex. Most of it plays automatically, but you can perfectly neglectyour developpement to turn a system into a powerhouse.

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Come on everybody, get your asses to Mars!

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>>174525859

>>174526280
>15
eh, pass

>>174526453
but gaia

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For example, in this picture, I'm engaged in a crytpo war (since it's the lock icon) against two of my neighbours.
As these are ideological wars (since they're outlined) which means that the moment we're neighbours, we're at war.
You can see that "Kniss" has 108% of the red lock, and the percentage is red. It means that whatever crypto is, it's working : the system is under siege. You can see the Civilizations getting lower. To put it simply, Civilizations are HP in this game. If they run out of it, whoever has most ships will win the system.
Since you see a lot of yellow dots, I'll probably get it as soon as they get 0 civilizations left.

So yeah, it's interesting, but it's not that fun, and it's way too abstract to be comfy. But an intesresting game nonetheless.


>>174526280
>colonizing takes influence
WHAT

>>174526507
but 15

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>>174526453
>not wanting to become a full-fledged martian
I can't even.

>>174526509
Colonizing needing influence has been a thing for a very long time though.

Also, this picture, what the fuck?

>>174525859
>>174526010
>mfw this literally happened here, and a politician didn't understand it when interviewed on TV.
>So sir, you're an immigrant yourself, why would you want to prevent immigration?
>>No, no, I have citizenship!
>But you used not to, you gained it after coming in, so you're an immigrant.
>>No am not!

>>174526707
>26
NOW we're talking baby

>>174521209
Kek, I made the same thing with that portrait, kinda. I did an energy credit instead though.

What ethics fit a capitalistic empire?

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The real complicated part is that, kinda like, I dunno, Dominions 4, ressources are handled locally and don't move much.
In other words, if a weak system is sandwiched between two strong system, they'll receive support from the strong system backing them, but will have trouble bringing to the fight to elsewhere, since they use their full fleet, but only receive part of the fleet from the system behind them.
And given that production is constant, the only way to win a war is to produce more than the others. You can't stockpile units.
And it also means that surrounding a neighbour is extremely efficient.

And upgrading buildings is not fun, it's just a jauge that slowly raises.

>>174526860
Wasn't there something like that in the US where a Mexican woman has her husband deported after she voted Cheetos Man?

>>174526707
I guess I forgot.

>Deeper Federations that start out as loose alliances and can eventually be turned into single states through diplomatic manuevering.
>Superweapons and planet killers.
>More story events and reactive narratives that give a sense of an unfolding story as you play.
>More interesting mechanics for pre-FTL civilizations.
>A 'galactic community' with interstellar politics and a 'space UN'.
>Buildable Dreadnoughts and Titans.
>Reworking the endgame crises to be more balanced against each other and the size/state of the galaxy.
>Reworks to war to address the 'doomstacks' issue and make the strategic and tactical layers of warfare more interesting and less micro-intensive.
>Deeper mechanics and unique portraits for synthetics.


Which of these are you most excited to see?

>>174526860
Probably make the difference between assimilated/integrated immigrants
Aswell as legal/illegal
It's not exactly a black & white subject, despite what's shown on tv

Is distant worlds worth the 45 bongs?

what 3rd civic do you usually take

efficient bureaucracy is my go to if there's nothing else i want.

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>>174527241
>make the strategic and tactical layers of warfare more interesting and less micro-intensive.
Stellaris is micro-intensive?

>play Stellaris
>try to play tall and tech the fuck up
>every fucking game ends up with me starting next to a dozen most aggressive motherfuckers

Also, why are the aggressive empires always friends with each other? How fucking stupid is it that imperialistic, expansionist, despot ruled, oppressive military dictatorships can get along? Shouldn't they be at each others' throats because they are competing with each other for military domination?

>>174527241
>>Buildable Dreadnoughts and Titans.

What is the difference?

>>174527082
Materialistic, Egalitarian, Xenophile

Make sure you get the wasteful and decadent traits

>>174527334
Yes.

>>174527241
The only thing I'd like to see is not being able to determine someone's technology level and military power just by meeting them.

It's infuriating how you can't bluff hostiles by not letting them see what you got if you're weak or showing off when you're strong etc. They just automagically know if you lose a major battle and your military power drops, they automatically know how powerful your fleets are and the AI being the bullshitting piece of shit, it knows even where your fleets are and theys seem to always have one fleet somewhere within a jump distance to exploit a mistake you made for a fraction of a second, like forgot to micro a fucking transport to jump with your fleet at the exact same time.

>>174527274
Anon, he was born in a foreign country with a foreign nationality, came here later and had to ask for citizenship, he is an immigrant. That is definitely black and white.

>>174527492
>egalitarian

>>174527241
>>174527379
Paradox is retarded, more news are eleven.

>>174527628
Stellaris didn't invent that, it's been constantly the case in EU4 and CKII. The moment you lost an army, everyone would go SWGIGGITY SWOOTY AM COMMING FOR THAT BOOTY

>>174527628
Every other paradox game has the same problem m8, don't expect it to be fixed

>>174527680
And what did he say exactly

>>174527795
He was trying to argue foreigners and immigrants are the same thing, and I don't want to talk about this with some moron on a mongolian throat singing forum in the Stellaris thread.

I really don't like the Authoritarian/Egalitarian dichotomy. Especially because choosing one or the other locks you out of some government types. An authoritarian democratic government is not inconceivable; you can have a strong centralized state that holds some democratic ideals, like some sort of Heinlein-esque citizen republic. On the flip side, you can have a constitutional monarchical/imperial government and still hold true to the idea that the citizens are all equal and are accorded some inalienable rights.

>>174527930
Guess I'll never know then

>>174527476
there is no difference

Titans and Dreadnoughts are the same thing

>>174527987
It's a swedish company trying to create a political system. You can't expect shades of grey, or anything other than "These are the evil ones and these are the good ones."

>be smart enough to become an ascendancy
>be too dumb to target dimensional anchors before sending fleets into the portal
wew

>>174527241
The space UN part pisses me off. I don't want ot be forced into some restrictive body when I'm a purifier. That's retarded.

>>174528265
Hopefully it's like the Civ4 UN/Vatican where you can tell them to fuck off and ignore mandates.

>>174527241
Remember kids, for every new feature added two old ones must be removed or broken

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Out of these; which UI is the most pleasing to the eye? Which one should I pick?

>>174527241
>>174528265
>>174528351

Is the 'Space UN' something confirmed to be added later on? Because that could potentially be great.

>>174528351
It'll probably be like the Civ5 one where you have no choice but be involved.

>>174528406
cyan

>>174527987
>An authoritarian democratic government is not inconceivable
Is even more retarded when you realize the Police State and Citizen Service are both Civics that should be authoritarian by their very fucking nature, Specially Citizen Service, which is locked if you are Authoritarian.

>>174528406
Red and purple are fucking awful.

>>174528406
Get the black one faggot

>>174526860
France right?

>>174528406
All are shit.
Don't fix what's not broken, fix the fuckawful outliner instead.

>>174528438
They revealed a Devouring Swarm civic for Hive Minded on stream that auto purges and cannot engage in diplomacy so I doubt it.

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Well this was unexpected.

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/blog/520-unlocking-the-enfer-ai

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/blog/521-e-n-f-e-r-update-0-3-5-now-available

>>174528406
RED

>tfw cutie gecko primmie civ nukes itself while you're surveying their home system and building an observation station
>tfw they were perfectly placed to be one of your border marches and somehow had four systems' worth of their biome around them
>tfw the scientist who was doing the survey during the nuclear war turned into a pill popper after leveling up

>>174527987
Democracy is the antithesis to authoritarian. We live in times where the definitions of words are pretty fluid though.

>>174528839
PANIC

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BRAVO

What lategame civics do you guys run?

>>174527392
RNG will always fuck you, only way to avoid it is to start with less total civs, less advanced starts, and no fallen empires

first 5 hours of my first time playing was probably what you're talking about
>accidentally send sci ship into fallen empire border before i even have a 400 fleet
>OUR FLESH HARVESTERS ARE ON THEIR WAY, YOU'RE FUCKIN DONE KIDDO

just reduce the number of civs and play on the spiral galaxies for minimum contact and time to actually play the game

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>>174527987
t. Reinhart

>>174529046
-0 == 0 evaluates to true, nothing to see here.

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>>174527241
planet killers of course

>>174528904
>democracy and authoritarian are opposites
BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

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>>174529327
oh yeah, now what?

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>>174529415
A person can be elected with authoritarian policies but the system is not authoritarian you fucking retard.

>>174529498
What are the demands?

>>174528013
I assume Dreadnoughts are bigger, like the Automated Dreadnought. Titans are that ship a little bigger than Battleships that FE's get.

>>174529642
A society can on the whole be authoritarian, even if the election way is democratic.

Whether a society is authoritarian or not isn't solely dependent on the election system.

>>174528741
It's not a question of fixing something. It's a question of taste & aesthetics. Botch which you apparently lack.

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>>174529651
kek

demands for the 21% are literally ceding as much as we can on both sides

17%: I'm demanding nothing whereas the FE is demanding the same as the other, ceding everything

It fucked up because I attacked the FE, then the FE attacked my protectorate which triggers another warscore icon, So I'm basically in two wars: one me vs FE, and the other me and protectorate vs FE. Looks silly but understand why it's done like that

>>174529746
A "democracy" in which the president always wins. There is no example of it ever not being like this.

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muh dick

What's the most fun campaign you've had in Stellaris

>>174529954
There is this one country with a barcode for a flag where everyone who speaks against the government is branded a traitor, entered into databases and spied on. It even has torture camps and invades foreign nations for no other reason than to take their oil, was implicated in multiple acts of genocide and is currently engaged in 7 wars.

Tell me about how it is not an authoritarian society.

>>>174529964
>cheat mods

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>>174530140
forgot the visual evidence

>>174528904
The antithesis to authoritarianism is (classical) liberalism & individualism.

There are plenty of authoritarian democracies in history, and even in our present day. The best recent example is Turkey, now with that constitutional referendum going through that gives Erdogan even more power. They still have a democratic process and they still hold some human rights to be sacred, but the government is becoming more centralized & some freedoms are being curtailed when they clash with the government's power. There's a strong "us vs. them" attitude that the government uses to justify its growing power. But if that referendum failed, Erdogan would have had to live with the result, because that's how the republican system works.

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>>174527241
>space UN
Bet they'll be just as useless as the real UN

>>174530140
Really nigga? Have you ever seen american news?

>>174521209
>anon took my jewbuild
I feel humbled.
Star is named Zay-Ohn, by the way.

>>174528420
That list is straight from the latest dev diary.

>>174530186
The question is, which cheat mod?

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>>174529964
>Poor grammar
>Subpar writing
>Insanely unbalanced & overpowered modifier

I wouldn't want to show my maps to you, buddy.

>Space UN
A space Empire that sits around talking and actually does nothing even if you flat out ignore them and break their rules. Sounds great!

>>174521297
oh yeah I just remembered, the tech level upgrade for the ACU increases it's HP, and the sACU's start at tech 3. I think that's basically the difference there.

>>174530607
Oh, it does? Good to know.

So many fucking options with that game, I don't fucking know where to start. Should I jump to the expansion directly or discover the vanilla game?

>>174530139
honestly roleplaying as the star wars empire, the story went something like this: "before the destruction of the second death star and by extension his death, Palpatine sent a small military fleet and ship full of Human colonists into the unknown regions in an attempt to find worlds to settle there, but after a rebel attack mistaking it for an imperial supply shipment attacked, The convoy was forced to make an uncalculated jump to hyperspace, and thus finding themselves in an unknown galaxy... ended up bringing imperial justice to the whole galaxy... probably going to try it again now that utopia is out

>>174530612
maybe you should fuck off to /pol/ and stop shitting up a vidya game general

>abloobloo wicked cyborgs
How do these """people""" ever manage to invent the wheel, let alone a warp drive?

>>174527241
Shouldn't "Space UN" be part of the Federations and only apply shit to that particular Federation?

>>174530612
A few months ago they were questioning something as important as how we elect our president.

there is anygame in which i can dominate economically? i mean, monopolize resources and make others bend me and fight me wars for resource?

Enigmatic Encoders or shield caps on destroyers?

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What's the talk about torpedos being shit? Should I skip them alltogether?

>>174530512
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=865040033
First time seeing that modifier outside a Ringworld.

>>174530991
Normal torpedos suffer from the same problems missiles do.
Neutron torpedos on the other hand completely ignore point defenses and absolutely wreck shields.

>>174528839
So what, it's an AI debug menu?

Only casuals play below 2k stars, prove me wrong /4xg/

>>174530991
>those names
>that flag
is that the mod from repo?

>>174530991
Just grab this mod
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=763275020
It makes torpedoes a million times better

>>174530740
I'd say vanilla is more enjoyable and has a better learning curve

>>174530782
/pol/ and strategy games are inseparable lad. The same autism that flows through us flows through them as well.

>>174530564
The mods really not that bad, modifiers like that are pretty rare, most modifiers are either flavor, shit that fills the planet with tile blockers, or some kind of mixed bonus, like -5% habitability +10% mineral.

>>174530323
You will find it pretty hard to make an argument that the "authoritarian democracy" is anything but a transitional period from a democracy to a dictatorship.

>>174530564
There are also a lot of negative modifiers, I'm sure it comes out even overall. And desu, I haven't ever gotten this modifier yet. Most I got was like +50%, I think. Got a bunch of -25% mineral, -50% mineral too.

>>174531020
>decidely urban living conditions
>pic shows vast forests and mountain ranges

good job paradox.

>>174531101
Yes.

Anyone been able to pirate Utopia on a legit copy of Stellaris? Not sure if possible.

>>174530740
>>174531147

also there's an online tutorial video series that's floating around produced by GPG back when the game released, it's really helpful if you can track it down

two things they never teach you I think are alt right click to attack move, specifically for engineers amove is reclaim

and ctrl shift right click deletes an order

F12 is a list of all the other commands

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>>174531020
>>174530186
Planet had a unique tile blocker too.

>>174521982
dude there should be a species trait or admiral trait that makes you especially lucky and arc emitters viable

>>174530910
>>174530910
>>174530910

Is there a way to make planets inhabitable?
I want to cover the galaxy in ring worlds, but the damn things require a system with no habitable planets.
The dyson sphere makes them barren or frozen, but that ALSO requires no habitable planets in the system.

>>174531576
A number of mods allow for bombardment in that style yes.

>>174520054
It's as schizophrenic as a westerner about ethics. They give you the option of being a fanatical purifier but naaah democracy gives all kinds of influence.

Pick your bias paradox

Whatever, if it weren't for the easy democracy missions for essentially free influence it would basically be preference.

>psionic army
>9-18 morale damage
>9 damage
How the fuck is that not op, i wonder if my species was very strong how much more op it would be
also, ground units should be more important
>bombard the fuck out
>the ground combat unit that you use is not important
this game need to be made from the ground

>>174523505
Sure, if you think making a machine in the image of the human mind is "safe," you abomination.

>>174531576
>Is there a way to make planets inhabitable?
Terraforming

If you mean uninhabitable, then no, unless you down load a mod. Though I wonder why you're having such an issue with systems with no inhabitable planet, usually 90% of my empire is those.

>>174531434
Planets like that are why armageddon bombardment was invented.

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>>174531128
I have the nazi emblems pack for the flag and I just rename leaders for myself to keep track of who's who during notifications & events.

>>174531075
Is Neutron torpedos stage 2 from Normal Torpedos? Sorry I'm new.

>>174531135
Kek, I subscribed immediately!

>>174531147
When should I ascend to the expansion? I can already easily wreck the AI on hard.

>>174531432
>two things they never teach you I think are alt right click to attack move, specifically for engineers amove is reclaim
Reclaim?

>>174531293
Actually, I can make that argument. Take a look at what happened in South Korea, Taiwan, and South Africa. A strong authoritarian system was replaced with one that placed a greater emphasis on personal rights & political freedoms. In South Korea, the military government made way for a government with a strong executive branch, which gradually restored political and civil rights. In Taiwan, the one-party rule of the KMT eventually eroded into a multi-party state. In South Africa, the apartheid government that held control for decades was eventually forced into the minority.
There's even a case that Myanmar is going through that transition right now. The military government that ruled the country since the 1940's is now beginning to reform into a more democratic government, even though there's still a strong "us vs. them" mentality going on that justifies the military actions against dissident minority groups. But nonetheless, they held a free & open election, and a woman that was once branded as a dissident is now the head of the nation.

>>174531856
They're a separate class. You need to research Disruptors to be able to get the Proton and then Neutron torpedoes.

>>174531948
well basically all online play is on the expansion/FAF, so whenever you want to do that

>reclaim
how are you beating anything without knowing about reclaim?

>>174531968
Wait, Ang Song Suu Ki was finally elected?
Probably having her name wrong.

>>174532053
I don't really want to play it online, my attention span is too low to play anything other than RPGs or FPS online.
I just hope the AI is fixed in the expansion, it's currently extremely shitty.

>>174531678
>>174531771
Aw bummer, i'm a minmaxing bitch and to have every system with a ring world in the super-late game would have been a wet dream come true.

Can terraforming also increase the number of tiles of planets? Or am i stuck with sub-optimal planets once they are generated?

>>174531193
I wish everyone felt that way and didn't ask questions they are too squeamish to hear answers too.

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>Declare war on some AI to clear him out of an area I want.
>The little faggot establishes another colony in the same area and I can't do shit about it.

>>174532150
the AI is not "extremely shitty". You are basically wrong. It just doesn't cheat. The expansion adds cheating AI's if you want to try and compete with 2x production and omni-vision.

Each of the AI personalities have varying difficulties. If I remember correctly in vanilla it's either tech or turtle that's the real motherfucker. You could also install sorian.

http://viking.gurut.org/Mods/

>>174531968
>>174532150
Didn't they kill the South Korean bitch or rioted over security leaks or something

nice democracy there, faggots

Hey guys, is there a rule of thumb for colonialization: Like a planet shouldn't be under 20 size, but what if there are multiple >40% planets in the system? Surely having additional starbases:System-limit is good. Is there a formula for adding together the pop size of an entire system + the habit of the planets?

>>174532223
Cry me a fucking river.
>After The Empire
>declares war against another empire
>see them getting taken over
>finally they're captured
>but by another empire
>who then declares a glory war on me, pissing my people off

>>174531968
>none of this has anything to do with covert subversion

>>174532223
>use Cleanse Planet for the first time
>oh boy I can instantly purge all these xenos in one go!
>indeed they "vacate the planet"
>see a good one for me to colonize
>build colony ship
>literally weeks before entering the system the fucker goes and colonize it again
jesus

>>174531968
You're still making the argument it's a transitional period though. I knew I shouldn't have given you wiggle room by adding "from a democracy to a dictatorship" just before posting.

>>174532342
>the AI is not "extremely shitty". You are basically wrong.
No, no, it is objectively shit. If you go to their base and blown its factory, it won't rebuild a new one, it'll just stand here. It also barely uses air units. Sometimes, when doing a turret push, it also tries to charge in with their command unit.

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>>174520239
If you aren't reclaiming the map and producing negative mass then you aren't producing ENUFF.

The campaign is 100% about sending out 2-5 engis to reclaim shit.

Energy should always be full but not excessive.

Extractor strategy is T1 => T2 => surround with 4 mass storage => T3.

The resource model is SHIT. If you upgrade extractors they literally produce NEGATIVE mass and running out will place you in permastall. Shield energy is the same. If you die midgame this is why.

Build all the T1 factories you want. Build single units of T2 and T3 engineers/factories and escort them with a thousand T1 engineers because the devs made T1 engis stronger than everything.

>>174532579
comrushing is a really powerful strategy in real games

you are completely wrong about everything you said

>>174532175
>Can terraforming also increase the number of tiles of planets?
No but it does clear all the tile blockers.

>>174532646
>waaah waaah I have to balance my upgrades with my production waaaah

git gud

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>want to make my ringworld a sekrit no-synths-allowed treehouse
>but it takes ages to grow a 25 tile world
Feels bad.

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>>174532632

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>>174531723
They take about as long as battleships to produce though. Ground combat needs to be massively reworked, currently there's no reason to use anything other than clones or assault armies due to how slow to produce and expensive to maintain gene-warriors and psi armies are.

Frankly, planetary defences should damage bombarding fleets, not rek armies trying to invade, that way you'd have a reason to build armies to contest the planet, not just having to have them to occupy them. I've never failed an invasion with a 20 clone stack after defences have been taken down, it just becomes a formality.

Transports should be immune/highly resistant to planetary defences, whilst regular fleets get trashed by them, so you send troops down to take out the planetary shields/orbital guns so your fleet can move in and occupy the planet.

It'd mean you'd need a more combined force to take planets, you'd need the fleet to kill the planet's station whilst transports went in and disabled the planet's guns before they did too much damage to the fleet in orbit.

Ground troops should be able to be set to kill/damage pops too, if you're a xenophobe or an authoritarian dealing with rebels.

>>174532646
I died a bit, but it was never because of a lack of ressources, it was always because I didn't harass the AI properly. Like that one time when I discovered that Cybran destroyer can walk on land.

>>174532681
So charging a wall of turrets with an unupgraded ACU is a "really powerful strategy". Okay.
If everyone is like you, I'll probably try online, people seem to be even shittier than me.

>>174532830
Get the clone mod. Then you can just manufacture organic pops.

>>174532881
building a wall of turrets is a mistake in the first place

the AI always had trouble protecting it's ACU, that's just a limitation of how it's made. It's still one of the best RTS AI's ever made.

>>174532786
Shut up faggot.

I'm saying that extractors become bottomless black holes of despair where resources magically VANISH. There's nothing legit about it, it's shitty programming at its finest.

>>174532150
Aung San Suu Kyi, close enough.

They had elections back in 2015, where her party won a huge victory. She can't serve as President due to a technicality, but she serves in a more Prime Minister-esque role.

>>174532346
No, if you're talking about the ongoing South Korean crisis, that's in a totally different nation. That's a corruption scandal where the President used her powers in an inappropriate manner and granted lots of favors for her close friend, who also had a lot of power over her. But she was ousted through democratic means, and the government is run by an Acting President until the next elections.

>>174532478
I wouldn't say that it's a transitional period, I'm just trying to give examples of systems where authoritarianism is able to peacefully coexist with democratic processes. If I give the examples of, say, Russia or Iran, which are certainly authoritarian but have no indication of reforming to more liberal systems, you could have countered those examples by saying that they're illustrative of the process of transitioning in the opposite direction & towards a totalitarian regime.

>>174532836
yeah, stellaris has too much potential, its mechanics are fucking shit, but it has an roleplay factor so good that we keep playing it, if it had a bit of DWU mechanics and MOO mechanics, together with traits, genetics, psi, robotics it has, and a good combat, not this automated shit that we have, i assure that it would be the new MOO2

>>174533016
you are upgrading the structure and that costs resources, wow investments are so hard

git gud

>>174532969
>moving the goalposts
Lol okay.
It works in killing the enemy, so it's not a mistake.

And glad to see you agree with me that the AI is shitty and flawed. If the AI was even a bit smarter, it would be the best RTS I played.

>>174528904
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

>>174532836
>Transports should be immune/highly resistant to planetary defences
Yeah nah, this is the main problem, armies should take 80% attrition just trying to make planetfall, and take weeks just to get organized if they don't get routed outright.

>>174533120
it's not shitty, it's a bit flawed when it comes to the ACU

it's not fucking skynet it's a video game
it's one of the best game AI's ever on top of that

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>>174533021
>She can't serve as President due to a technicality
...
Hmmm...

>>174533081
Also it should especially have better diplomacy
>all powerful empire
>cant bully smaller empires
>cant make use of proxy wars to not have a so bad opinions with all other nations
>cant crumble under its own weight cause its just put army on planets that unrest doesnt mean shit
but it's in paradox hands, their criativity cant fly cause they are too progressists, they even hardcoded population rights so no one could change this shit mechanic.

>>174533081
yeah the combat is awkward, it makes me feel like I should micro-manage, maybe go to another game instance like in something like MOO, but the time keeps progressing and I forgot I have to keep running my empire and I stocked too much mineral just watching the battle.

>>174533021
>I wouldn't say that it's a transitional period, I'm just trying to give examples of systems where authoritarianism is able to peacefully coexist with democratic processes.
Except they were either driven to the fringe or took over. It was never a stable presence.

>>174533113
Seriously stop talking kid. This is a thread for adults.

An upgrading extractor costs X resources. Upgrading an extractor during a STALL costs MORE. The extractor produces at the SAME negative penalty, but it now upgrades at a reduced rate. Your resources literally VANISH without a trace.

>>174531968
South Korea is also a democracy where slavery is legal, the disabled are rounded up and used to mine salt on small islands on the coast.

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>>174533185
>tyranny of the minority is much better goyim

>>174533334
I'm still waiting for someone to convince me that US isn't a perfect example of such a society. And a stable one at that.

>>174531434
>>174531805
They have *huge* morale damage though. I'm using them, and if ground combat wasn't so easy most time already, I'd call it OP. Enemy armies are at 0 real fast.
You're limited to only 5 of them, though.

>>174533337
>I don't understand how the game works: the post

it will attempt to draw the resource but it will only be able to draw what's actually available. If you are stalling the remainder will be evenly distributed among all consumers

>>174533226
>it's a bit flawed when it comes to the ACU
Observation : being unable to rebuild lost buildings, being unable to expand, and charging in a wall of turret counts as "a bit flawed".
Empire Earth's AI may be completely retarded and overly confident when it came to units, but at least it never sends its units against turrets.

I don't know what kind of RTS you played, but to state that SupCom's AI is "one of the best", I'm curious.
I have a lot of fond memories of getting my zerg butt raped by Starcraft's AI. And that game came years before SupCom.
>inb4 "but it cheats"
No. I experimented with it, the AI in Starcraft doesn't cheat. I tried putting it in a mineral field but without a vespene geyser, and it was unable to build anything more than marines.

Is Stellaris hard to get into?

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>>174532832
With slave kobolds.

>>174533439
I imagine trying to convince you would be a waste of time.

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>>174533468
>They have *huge* morale damage though
Understandable.

>>174528420
>space un
>great
No no no no no no no no

>>174533607
If you are unwilling to engage in debate on the topic currently being discussed, why post?

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>>174533620
Plz don't bully the spiders.

>>174533569
Literally babby tier
DW is intermediate
Aurora is legit autism tier

>>174533562
it does cheat, resource cheats are almost always implemented as a multiplier, multiply zero and see what you get

additionally, you are flat out wrong, it rebuilds just fine, assuming it has the resources and needs more factories, and is perfectly able to expand

it's just that it doesn't cheat, at all, in any way. no vision, no bonuses, no nothing.

one limitation it has is that it protects its ACU poorly so sniping it is a bit easier than with a human, but if you're able to snipe it in the first place you probably are winning anyway.

>>174533221
>and take weeks just to get organized if they don't get routed outright.

Why? They're dropping from orbit, you'd expect that they'd have really good intel on the ground situation.

> armies should take 80% attrition just trying to make planetfall

Isn't the whole point of orbital bombardment to take out the guns that'll kill your ground troops' drop pods?

>>174533717
HUG ME ANON

>>174533717
spider bullying is essential

>>174533790
>it rebuilds just fine, assuming it has the resources and needs more factories, and is perfectly able to expand
You're wrong. I never saw it rebuilding anything. I played a few times against the AI in easy and normal, and it never rebuilds anything. Sometimes, it doesn't even bother to take the hydrocarbon plant.

>>174533717
Those aren't spiders.

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How's the AI?

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/blog/521-e-n-f-e-r-update-0-3-5-now-available

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>>174533717

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>>174533717
REMOVE BUG

>>174532223
there should be a event in which if he cre-colonize in less than 10 years, you can declare war on him to cleanse without waiting the peace time, also:
>declare war
>white peace
>the other empire goes war with other empire and goes off weakened
>B-BUT I AM SUCH A HONOURABLE MAN, I CANNOT, I WILL NOT DECLARE WAR ON A WEAKENED ENEMY, I MUST WAIT TILL HE IS STRONG

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>>174533908
>easy and normal

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>>174533885
YOU SHUT YOUR TRAP

>>174533838
>mfw no Kumo dakimakura
;_;

>>174533985
In French, Enfer means Hell. Roll for anal circumference, son.

>>174534012
Needs a "Kyaaa, senpai..."

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guess the upgrade time, win a prize

If you make all the AI have advanced start, but keep advanced neighbours to Off that guarantees you'll be in your own cluster right?

>>174534079
stop pushing your isekai garbage pls

spiders are dumb

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>>174534079
what moon rune does this one need?

>>174534150
1200 days, spread them out at multiple spaceports you retard

>>174534215
If spiders are so dumb, then why have they achieved sentience and spacefaring?
Checkmate.

>>174534238
Aaaaw, poor little fella.

>>174534012
>awww look at the cute spider ^__^.webm
>IGNORE IT'S HUGE HOOKED FANGS
>IGNORE IT'S INHUMAN STARING EYES
>IGNORE IT'S DISGUSTING CREEPING LEGS
>IGNORE HOW IT KILLS BY PARALYSING AND SUCKING THE INSIDES OUT OF LIVING PREY
>so cute!

Spiderfags are the worst.

>>174527695
You need egalitarian to roll megacorporation. I don't like how ethos sometimes represent two different things, like egalitarian represents both limited government and economic equality, which doesn't make much sense with a capitalist empire.

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/563210/

I T ' S T I M E

>>174533334
So what about Iran, in that case? The Islamic Republic seems pretty stable, even with mounting international pressure and economic troubles. There's no real impetus from within that is pushing it towards liberalism (quite the opposite at times) and its not like the Ayatollah is going to give up control any time soon. But in the end, it's still a republic with an elected president and a constitution that grants its people certain rights that the government swears to protect (as long as they don't clash with the principles of Islam).

>>174533829
>intel
No, anti air, you cant scout, unless:
>bombard
>defenses 0 you can send the pods down or send scout
>if no scout you suffer pennalities

How aggressively do I need to colonize? I'm minding my own business, having only my home world + another colony because mining stations seem to be more efficient to build for my minerals so far and I don't want the unity and research hits yet
Meanwhile the empire next door has colonized 4 colonies
It's 2230 by the way

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>>174534339
>implying cats are better
>INHUMAN EYES
>CUTE, WHITE POINTY FANGS
>SADISTIC BEHAVIOUR TOWARD INNOCENT PREY
>ALWAYS THROW YOUR SHIT DOWN
>TRY TO KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP
>BRING BACK DEAD ANIMALS TO REMIND YOU YOU'RE HIS BITCH

>>174534518
_ ____ __ ____ ____ ____

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>>174531101
>AI debug menu
We crowd-sourcing AI development now or what?

>>174534565
I usually get everything good around me (16+ tiles, good modifiers) and settle down on 4 or 5 colonies. Cockblock niggers with outposts.

Then when it's all set I decide if I go wider or comfy. If you go small make sure to max out spaceport techs as soon as possible otherwise your fleet capacity will suck.
And if there's neighbors periodically fuck their shit up by liberating or cleansing planets

>>174534698
>reptillian tits
this pleases the dick but confuses the mind

>>174534453
It annoys me you can't have Imperial Cult without authoritarian.

I can understand it being restricted from egalitarians in the same was Imperial in general is restricted, but why does a religious imperium have to be restricted exclusively to authoritarians?

In general, I found Banks to be far too restrictive with a lot of stuff. Fanatic Purifiers shouldn't HAVE to be militarists in my opinion either.

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>>174534873
>implying reptilian tits are improbable
In any world where pic related can exist, everything imaginable is then possible.

>>174534578
Don't forget the mind-altering brain parasites they infect you with.

>>174534873
That thing has lips so it might as well have tits.
They go together.

>>174534578
>>174534339
>Dogs master species pet.
>Human-like eyes that are often ascribed human emotions.
>Bite inhibition and teeth too big to sting in normal play.
>Four fluffy legs, a soft fur all over that keeps them warm in the coldest weathers but also fresh in the hottest.
>Can be trained to do a huge variety of tasks.
>Man's best friends.
>It's been proven that owning dogs makes you live longer and healthier, that petting them is good for health and stress.
>THEY KILL PREYS BY GRABBING THE NECK, CLAMPING HARD AND SHAKING UNTIL THE PREY STOPS MOVING AND THEY DO THAT TO HUMANS TOO IF YOU LET THEM.
>So cute!

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>>174534578
yeah look at those soulless eyes incapable of affection, and deadly fangs

thankfully these beautiful creatures eat spiders

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>>174534578

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>>174535127
You know what else eats spiders?

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>>174535045
Don't even pretend you'd take being trapped in steel-cable webbing as a giant spider slowly sucks your insides out over a quick, clean neck-snap from a giant dog.

All animals have natural weapons they can kill with, even humans (apparantly) but spiders do it in a particularly horrifying way.

imagine video games

>>174533985
That whole page is confusing me. Did they simply update the enemy empire AI or is it something more than that?

>>174534560
>anti air, you cant scout

>Can see all of the components on a blob hundreds of lightyears away
>No way to do remote recon of a target lightmilliseconds away

*cough*

>>174535209
so why did he have a cat named niggerman?

>>174535385
it seems like they updated the AI and introduced a tool that'd be useful for modding the AI

>>174534536
>supreme leader
>"""""""democracy"""""""""

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>>174528904
>Democracy is the antithesis to authoritarian

>>174533741
Too bad none of them are good games.

>>174535306
Human weapons are nails, fist, feet and teeth.

>>174533361
That wasn't my point. The discussion was about whether democracies can be authoritarian.

>>174535251
>no qt serpentine reptoid will ever defect and join your squad

>>174535636
I'm sure there are mods for that.

>>174535209
>Things you can train a dog to do:

>Detect bombs
>Apprehend criminals
>Guide blind people
>Locate buried bodies
>Predict seizures
>Find people lost in avalanches
>Guard houses
>Control vermin infestations
>Herd sheep
>Keep lions and bears at bay
>Sniff out drugs
>Fetch you a beer from the fridge

>Things you can train a cat to do:

>Shit in a box
>Most of the time

CATS R MOAR INTELLIGENT THO!

>>174535604
In a democracy there will always be winners and losers. That doesn't make it authoritarian.

>>174535492
That bastard is probably the smuggest man alive and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

>>174535426
bad mechanic of the game, you shouldnt see, you have not the eye of god

>>174535505
also teamwork and endurance and spear and gun and technology

>>174535903
Assad comes pretty close too

>>174533470
> I don't know what bugs are: the post.
This bug exists in game. Try it for yourself. It exists because extractors have the unusual property of being resources consumers AND producers. They are incapable of suffering stall penalties so they will instead vaccuum up mass without actually using it.

We now resume are regularly scheduled thread.

>>174530262
>hating on the pledge
>nationalism is wrong
Commie scumsucker.

>>174535492
Retaking constantinople when?

>>174535209
>I like being another animal's pet.
>t. Lovecraft

anybody know of a console command that lets you add resources to planets and shit?

im getting sick of being fucked by RNG giving me shit starting systems

Burd.

>>174535903
>will remain so for the foreseeable future.
I dont know about that, his sudden change in policy is gonna leave him kinda isolated
I sure hope he get along with Putin well, because he's right in the middle of his zone of influence

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Should I stick with endless space and keep trying to win a game or move on to another game?
New to 4X but really liking the genre.

Any other space games that goes for under 10 yurops?

Can cheap shieldless battleships with just mega cannons, kinetic artillery and flak work?

stellaris too tedious, please help me find another 4x

>>174534287

It was 2105 days. I should probably spread them out.

>>174528562
Police state does seem authoritarian although citizen service isnt necessarily.
Think of greek city states where farmers were expected to be warriors when needed.

>>174536291
Sins of a solar empire is pretty similar but more RTS.

>>174535901
So you could have a group of patricans voting on how they should treat the plebs. You can make it authoritarian.

>>174527241
What they need to do is rework diplomacy, warfare, have a trade system and add a lot of events and quests. This will keep the mid game and main part of the game going because it is still stale.
Some of these things don't adress the problems the game has like the dreadnoughts and titans people have been whining about forever.

The will not add major features for 1.6 though. So what I really want to see for 1.6 is making the faction system work and tie leaders into it give them personal agenda's. Make rebellions more serious so civil wars can happen or sectors secede from your empire.

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>>174535472
But that's going back to the original argument I was trying to make in >>174527987
You can have some sort of democracy in a government that is ultimately authoritarian. Democracy does not mean "a system of government that guarantees its people absolute political freedom and civil liberties." It just means that there is a system whereby citizens can elect representatives into power and can remove said representatives without the need for a revolution or coup. There can still be checks on the representatives from forces outside of the citizenry, such as a Supreme Leader chosen by the nation's dominant religion. But even then, the citizens still have the right to elect their representatives, and that makes them a democracy.

Just because liberal democracies are the most prevalent examples of democratic government on this planet does not necessarily mean that liberalism and democracy are inseparable. And that's why authoritarian ethics in Stellaris should not preclude you from using a democratic system of government.

>>174536235
>starting system has a grand total of 2 physics points and thats it

why is this allowed?