/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

SPIRITUALISTS STRONK
BRING IT ON MEMETERIALIST FAGS

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>artisan troupe takes the money and runs during a festival
>they keep sending me yearly notifications to resubscribe to their patreon

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XENOPHOBE

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4th for best ship in game
left bottom

>>174488192
found your post buddy

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/spiritualists-are-more-rational-than-materialists.1014966/

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>>174488273
>Rightfuly gas the subhuman gypsies for their insolence
>Get a huge reputation malus
Hope Paradox fix this bug soon

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>>174488560

They're swedish so it's not a bug

>>174488341
>BRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAPPPPPP

>>174488564
please do not fuck the snake

What is best authority?

>>174489078
democratic

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>>174488564
Xenos are for PURGING

>>174489078
Democratic.
FREE influence.

nth for KILL YOURSELF IF YOU SAVESCUM THE SHROUD

>>174488564
Unironically aroused

>>174489078
Democracy hand down
Imperial if you're authoritarian

>>174488368
Materialists are flat earth atheists. They can bury their heads into their euphoria all they like, it won't save them when psionic armies are tearing their androids apart and the enemy God-Emperor has become an immortal demigod and summoned a horror from beyond the veil to swallow their planets.

>>174489239
Inter-dimensional horrors can't stand up against simple maths and vanilla corvette spam

>have the ability to go full Synth
>waiting until I control of almost the entire galaxy to do so
Robits stronk

>>174489239
Except more firepower they will have seeing as they are scientists and not a fags with myths instead of science.

>>174489514
>Psionics are a real, quantifiable thing
>Myths

>>174489585
>approach to psionics is some form of religious retardation
>not approaching it as a natural, explainable phenomen

Retards, i told you.

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>>174489585
You don't understand anon

Materialists can accept that the shroud exists

They just want to destroy it

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I get the feeling that I over-prepared and this is going to be overkill

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>>174489389
>vanilla corvette spam

As with most things, the faithful do it better. Enjoy trying to fight 90% Evasion almost-vanilla corvettes with your maths.

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>>174489817
Good luck with that

>>174489817
F

>>174489751
Materialists don't approach it at all. They reject it as nonsense. Even as that nonsense is used to rape their brains and enslave their planets.

>>174489751
Materialists can't approach it at all due to their euphoria u cuck

>Spiritualists can just read your mind and steal all your scientific secrets
>And see all the dirty shit you're into

Checkmate, Materialists.

In real-life materialists would unlock the powers of PSI far quicker and billions of times more efficiently.
Just like every time religious and "magicians" actually did something true and useful but through a skewed perspective.

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>>174489817
guess I should head to the the Dreadnaught the next system over to see how well that handles
>>174489918
>>174489885
Fug

>>174489837
Of course if we take technology out of the question, zeal will win through. But the post I'm responding to states that the spiritualists employ things other than vanilla corvette spam

>>174489930
>>174489943
Well its a know Paradox retardation at work.
Still doesn't protect you from the onslaught of firepower that materialists can field.

>being this mad religious cuck

>>174490023
Dreadnought is easier than the drake.
Specter is probably the easiest, but a bitch to chase sometimes.
Dreadnought is also the worst reward.

>>174490149
It's really easy to make up for that single science buff materialists have, anon.

>>174489996
>Spiritualist reads a materialist's mind
>CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG

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>>174490008
>In real-life materialists would unlock the powers of PSI far quicker and billions of times more efficiently.

But it's specifically shown that materialists can't comprehend it, they can't grasp things that aren't quantifiable.

>>174489943
>>174489930
As pointed out on the paradox forums, they clearly do considering the materialist FEs can defend against psychic thievery using their technology.

>>174490234
If it exists, it's quantifiable.

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>>174490008
Just like the private market invented the internet- oh wait

>>174490234
Quantifying is just for ease of use, it ain't like scientists truly understand much in real life either.

Is there a way to remove the Unbidden but keep the other endgame crises?

All I ever get is the Unbidden and they're broken as fuck, as is the AI's response to them.

>>174490081
>if we take technology out of the question

But Spiritualists have better stuff than any technology Materialists have. Even if we don't take technology out of the question, Spiritualists are still superior.

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I miss the old ship building mechanic, tbqh; Neither torps nor PD needed their own slot.

>torps only goes in medium slots
>PD only goes in small slots, as it did before
>small is equal to 1 weapon mass; medium to 2, large to 4, xlarge to 8, as it was
>bring back all the varying combinations of weapon mass, and then some, pic related
Obviously, the number of possible sections and combinations of those sections quickly gets out of hand.
Corvettes have 2 cores, and thus 2 combinations. (reasonable)
Destroyers have 5 bows and 2 sterns, and thus 10 combinations. (reasonable)
Cruisers have 5 bows, 8 cores, and 2 sterns, and thus 80 combinations. (reasonable)
Battleships have 15 bows, 35 cores, and 5 sterns, and thus 2,625 combinations (totally fucking insane)

Thoughts?
>inb4 autism

>>174490347
God exists but no one has ever managed to quantify it. Checkmate materialist.

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>>174490182
The Dreadnaught took out more of my ships than the Drake did,
and there is a dimensional Horror in my neighbouring allies territory so I guess after I do some ship replaceing I will go check out and destroy that thing as well

>>174490347
sounds like you need to rescue your father

>>174490712
I want all-torp ships back, neutron torps are my favourite weapon. I dunno why they restricted them rather than just balancing them with other weapons.

>>174490761
Oh you only have energy weapons.
Yeah the Drake is all armor, the dreadnought is more balanced.
The Horror and the Specter lean more towards shields, both.
Watch out for the horror in particular. It has system-wide range so try and jump immediately on top of it or you'll take a lot of damage before actual contact.

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>>174490727
>God exists
>someone is actually retarded enough to type that shit unironically

>>174490828
>I dunno why they restricted them rather than just balancing them with other weapons.
Because paradox is a bunch of lazy cucks, that's why.

That brings up another qualm I have with combat; it's not involved in any way, shape, or form with any appreciable level of tactics or strategy, yet we have to manually build fleets ship by ship as if we were composing something for a wargame.

If Paradox doesn't want the combat to be involved and detract from the 4x, that's fine, that's totally reasonable, but they should at least make it so that actually building and maintaining and fighting is as simple as combat actually is.

Fleet managers, combat theater managers, larger amounts of ships overall (who ever heard of a galactic empire with just 500 ships; that's barely larger than the US navy!), etc and so forth. Fleets and combat as they are now are stuck in a weird limbo between "tedious and involved to set up" and "barely a feature at all beyond doomstacking"

>>174489194
jokes on you

I use command until I get what I want or run out of energy, this level of rng is bullshit

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>Muh technology
>Psychics get better shields and jump drives

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>>174490979
Salty materialist detected.

They really need to rebalance materialism - spiritualism

>>174491185
>Anything but regen armor and wormholes

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>>174491185
>swedish cucks pandering to religious fanatics

Well thats something new..

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Someone teach me how to be a slave owner.
Should I grab that trait with the +4 slaves in the beginning?

>>174491268
It's actually pretty even
Spiritualist get a few high tier research and mineral through slaves
Materialists get a flat bonus to all research and bots for mineral

>>174491228
I don't need god when living in a materialist society means my fleshlight costs less energy to operate and state can grant it full citizenship.

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How am I doing

>>174489837
have you ever tried attacking FE spiritualist with those?

I did.

and I had to savescum

>>174491416
>avoiding perks
matte kuda stop

So, playing Xenophibic empire for the first time. Going well so far, the whole galaxy just turned against me after my first war against the bastard who colonized a planet right in the middle of my empire, before the borders could collapse around the space. I notice that the stagnant ascendancy next to me isn't as overwhelming as it should be, it's got merely double my fleet size. I'm thinking of taking him out; what's the best way to counter his destroyer/battleship fleet makeup?

>>174491416

Am I the only one in love with Paradise Domes? Happiness, unity and food all in one building? And I don't have to waste tiles on utterly fucking useless farms? Sign me up.

>>174491379
Synth evolution sucks even if you can go bio I guess.

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>>174491185
Better leaders. Psychic > Cyborgs/Synths.

Better armies. Psionics > Androids.

Also government ethics attraction/less unrest > 10% research speed and fucking rowbot maintenance

Feels more comfy too. Materialist's end-goal is to kill you and install a copy of your brainwaves into a toaster, then claim they've made you immortal. Spiritualists want to empower you with incredible spehs-magics AND get you a reserved spot in the afterlife.

>>174491416
do one tree only so you can get perks you fucking retard

>>174491590
Underrated building. I'm still salty they've deleted my beloved combat arenas for militarists tho.

>>174491635
>religion with an afterlife
the ultimate coward society

1939 setting (Every planet already belonging to an empire) for Stellaris with Empire civics set to their real life counterparts when?

>>174491808
>Multi Earth start when
>multi solar system starts when
>non retarded doomstackfest combat when

Nigga there is so much to fix about this game i cant even begin to count those things.

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>>174491375
>that trait with the +4 slaves
That trait is Syncretic evolution and it's garbage, you'll just get 4 xenoslaves instead of the regular slaves, it's a nightmare to micro each race on expansion and you cant replace the gov etics, ever. Just dont take it.

Go fanatic spiritualist/Authoritarian (Or take a 3rd ethos, your pick)
Imperial cult for free ethics and cheap edicts
Caste system, play wide, focus on minerals, if you got slaves revolts, build defensives armies or drop an happiness edict
Discovery tradition first for research
Look around you for races that will allow you to colonize everything, happiness isnt an important factor so you just need 2 other races to reach the 60% habitability for the hot/cold/temperate planets.

As far as ascension go, mastery of nature is really nice for playing wide early.
Both psionics and genemod work well in mid-late, psionic is simpler, bio require a bit of micro to minmax your sector but is more fun.

>>174491594
So does mechanist desu senpai, it's a marginal early boost for an ethics that can never be replaced
Honestly, both mechanist and syncretic ev should never be picked

>>174488640
Plantoid ships is more appropriate for agrarian idyl/inwards perfection empires since those ships/stations have domed gardens on them.

>>174491986

>Mastery of nature

I can't wrap my head around why anyone would take this. The tile cards don't take that much time to research, you're using up an entire ascension perk for that? Seems utterly fuckin' useless to me.

>>174492171
it's a meme from people who desperately want to convince you that Stellaris should be played like an RTS

>>174491803
It takes courage to have faith. Materialists need certainity in everything, that is true cowardice.

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>Conquering some alien's territory.
>He's a retarded AI so he colonized basically every single tiny planet his pops would accept.
>My ethics don't allow me to purge them.
What should I do? This faggot won't leave me alone so I have to rip him apart, and his territory is certainly nice enough that I want the resources, but all the unnecessary colonies will kill my research and traditions.

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I don't want your perks lmao

>>174492115

I don't have plant DLC

>>174492389
Depends entirely on the faith.
If it's a good faith or a pussy faith.

>>174492171
>I can't wrap my head around why anyone would take this.
It's a crazy amount of research/ressources saved over time, and a crazy powerspike early
Probably the safest pick you can take if you aim to snowball

>>174492349
It's a great perk for people who like winning, if you want to RP your tall research empire that's fine by me

>>174492115
This is a good point, I hadn't thought of that before. The 'leaves' also suggest a sort of advanced solar power too.

Personally, I believe that it's not that Materialists ignore the Shroud. It's the Shroud that ignores Materialists.
All psychic abilities come from there, at least that's what I got. The Shroud is also filled/controlled by eldritch beings beyond our comprehension.
Who's to say that all those beings don't just keep the Shroud locked to those they can't manipulate? Materialists would want to study it, learn the limits and would probably ignore any of their contracts until they understood what would happen. While non-materialists and Spiritualists in general just accept it without trying to understand it.
So basically, Cthulhu doesn't want scientists or lawyers, he wants believers or commoners.

>>174492464
>know you can't purge
>conquer shit planets anyway
do you only get the cleanse planet CB if you're a purifier or something?

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>>174492464
>liberate
>vassalise
>impose tribute

>>174492464
>free_policies
>purge them all timmy
>free_policies
>go back to being a space-hippy

Solved.

>>174492567

Only xenophobes get purge

>>174492583
Can you make an empire both a vassal and a tributary?

>>174492171
Well single tile blocker research takes on average 12 months.
There are what ? 8-10 different tile blockers ? So its a time/money saving perk. Especially early when you have five planets with 75% of tiles blocked by some faggt jungle or some shit like that.

>>174492464
Liberate and vassalize.

>>174492650
sadly not
i assume that you can edit so vassal actually pay you some tax

>>174492502
>It's a great perk for people who like winning
it's a waste of an ascension perk slot, if it made the tile blocker clear instantly as well as for free it'd maybe be worth considering, but resources are so easy to come by after the early game that it's just an absolute waste. Just terraform planets and it automatically clears all tile blockers as well as makes the planet your preference

so... If you go full Synth and an AI Empire Causes a Robot uprising you am pretty fucked right?

>>174492820
I don't think so

>>174492502

What are you gonna snowball off of? You're just clearing tiles, you're not pulling pops to fill them out of your ass. When you consider the fact that you can stagger your research alongside your tile removal, the value of the perk becomes null. You could make an argument for saving resources, but honestly, early game economy shouldn't be a problem if you expand correctly.

>>174492706

In my experience, tile removal cards tend to show up more if you have those tiles on one of your colonies. I've never waited long for the card to show up, and you still gotta wait for the pops to come in.

Why does everyone shit on Master of Nature? If you're playing wide it
>Saves 10,000+ minerals and energy
>Lets you skip a ton of Biology techs
>Gets colonies productive earlier

That's a great early game bonus for blobbing, and it's not the worsy thing to pick before you start grabbing the Psychic/Synthetic/Wonder perks. My perks are always usually Interstellar Dominion into Mastery of Nature.

>>174492464
>Tributary
>only 25% of his resources
>Fucks up my natural expansion too
Meh.

>>174492706
>Vassalize
>He doesn't give me anything except his own dumb AI fleet during war.

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What could go wrong If I just kept spamming frontiers along the line drawn, so no one would intrude the space that I found?

>>174492929
>>He doesn't give me anything except his own dumb AI fleet during war.

But at least you get him out of your way and he cant backstab you.

>>174492885
>Playing wide

>>174492965
That's what I do. Doesn't normally cause any issues for me and it cockblocks the AI from the best planets.

>>174492983
Right, but then it'll look downright retarded for be to expand because I have this huge exclave in my territory.

Also he shares the same color as me.

>>174492885
>Blobbing early

>>174492965
You would probably run out of influence.
Wormhole lads could jump over it as well.

>>174491986
Is Xenophobic worth grabbing if I want to enslave other races and gene mod those to be my bitch?

>>174492965
>waste resources on outposts instead of ships
>get DoW'd
>enemy romps all of your defenseless outposts
>6,000,000 minerals down the drain
go for it lad

>>174492885
Because they can't comprehend indirect rewards. They'll take 10% research speed over something that lets you skip a bunch of techs.

>>174492741
It save up the cost of 9 tile blocker research and make every single tile blocker in your empire free to clear
As I said, if you plan on playing wide, that's a FUCKLOAD of ressources saved

>>174492851
>What are you gonna snowball off of?
The 9 research advance
The guarantee that every planet wil lreach their max potential asap by never being blocked anywhere

>early game economy shouldn't be a problem
Early game is pretty much everything, by saving all theses ressources early you guarantee a swift expansion into the midgame
>if you expand correctly.
That's the point, the perk get better the more you expand

>>174492965
Deny them expansion any way you can, but don't get complacent. They might skip over you to colonize in your safe space if you don't fill it in quick enough.

>>174493113
Why would it ?
Even colour is the same, it wont fuck up your borders or anything.
Just box him in and continue on your way and after you get done with any external threat, switch to puring mode and just take care of the problem.

>>174493174
Yes, xenophobe is better for enslaving xenos, since authoritarians only get caste system, which is fucking retarded but hey, paradox.

>>174493191
>9 tile blocker research
Sure, if you're planning on colonizing shitty 40% hab worlds for whatever reason, and if every planet you're colonizing has like 75% blocked tiles.

>>174493223
>Why would it ?
Exclaves always look like shit.

>>174492965
Cost a lot of influence
Create a lot of border friction
If your neighbors arent the hippie type, it could end badly

>>174493320
Well you dont have any other option do you ?

>>174493175
Forerunners are a Xenophile FE
Blessed Covenant is an associate of our Federation
Great Caloctoca is about get BTFO by our Federation
Everyone else is our Federation

>>174493169
Even with Influence tech research?

>>174493197
That's what I'm scared of, can I close borders completely?

>>174492885
because after a certain point in the game terraforming a planet clears all it's tiles and you're stuck with a near useless perk

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>>174493157
>Not blobbing early and keep blobbing for the entire game

It's like you don't find overwhelming the AI's battleships in thousands of shit-tier frigates entertaining.

Defence in depth is the best defence, cheap and numerous is the best offence.

Pic related is what happens when a tall empire tries to go wide late-game.

>>174493312
>Shitty 40% hab worlds for whatever reason
There's two reason I can see : Slaves and robots.
I honestly dont give a fuck about habitability, and barely about the size of the planet. If it got minerals, I want it. and look at the result >>174491986
Won game by 2339, Ironman hard.
If anything that's the real bad side of Wide+Mastery of nature ; you end the game too quickly.
So I'm working on a more comfier tall empire now.

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>tfw decided to take my Species name out of my empires name because of how multicultural It had gotten
but nevertheless, the Blob must Grow
Perhaps I should Take out those Greenguys underneath me, I have been leaving them along all game in the hopes of being friends with them but they just do not want to form a defensive pact with me even with a +95 opinion of me

>>174493450
>have 1000 corvette fleet
>encounter enemy using missles
>?????
> start new game

>>174493312
That's exactly the point he said though. It's for playing wide. Rather than researching terraforming and then hoping to get atmospheric engineering or gene modding to make up for the climates you can't inhabit, you just quickly conquer empires with races that have different habitable climates and then use their pops to colonize those worlds your native species can't use. Waiting for the research RNG to give you all the tile blocker removal techs is a lot of wasted space. Mastery of Nature is the must-have perk for people who play wide and blog early.

>>174493393
Influence tech is super early and only allows for two more with expansion traditions, or one more without.

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>Arguing about perks

>>174493750
Still probably win desu.

>>174493750
>enemy fires 100 thousand missiles at your coverttes
>they all track to 10 ship or so
>99 thousand missiles just get wasted because they were aimed at something that's already dead

How to fix missiles/torpedos
>homing mechanic

>>174493750
>Missiles
>Against corvette blobs

tip top kek

enjoy wasting 90% of your DPS everytime your weapons fire.

>>174493393
They changed influence tech so now it depends on factions. Not as reliable. You can get the civic cutthroat politics for a permanent +1 influence later though. I don't know what your government is either, but if its a democracy or oligarchy you can also elect a leader that gives influence per month. Plus democracies have their mandates which give nice boosts of influence.

In the mean time, I would suggest rapid colonization of any available worlds within the space to start filling it in. Droids are handy for this since you can just plink them down anywhere and then wait for your species to be able to move in.

>>174493874
Words can't encompass the breadth of my disgust.

>>174493434
If you take mastery of nature you don't need terraforming, the whole point of taking mastery of nature is if you're playing super wide and building momentum.

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>>174493874
Can you not

>>174493874
Delete this

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I need help with writing a bio for my lettuce people since I was feeling like I was playing this too gamey, I was planning to explain their communal aspect through not ever developing more than 1 language and due to plant communication bullshit their language could never deviate.

But I can't explain the rest other than being hippies means they want everyone to have the best opportunities (Meritocracy) and since they like being in communities and sharing, this has lead to a quick flow of information explaining Quick Learners and Talented?

Agrarian Idyll is too fucking obvious

>>174493874
At least we don't have to play as cuckbugs, you piece of shit

>>174493885
>>174493939
>>174493879
last game tried attacking AE spiritualist (missle user) with 1000+ corvette blob(2xplasma+disruptor, 90%evasion)

got about twice fleet strenght and still got my shit kicked in

Where can I find optimal ship designs and recommended techs to research?

>>174494198
>more than 5 traits

at least I don't have to cheat

>>174493939
>>174493879
>>174493939
You guys haven't actually tried it have you? Missiles fuck the shit out of corvettes. You meme about "muh over kill" but they outrange all the weapons your little corvettes have and the larger ships have the shields and armor and hit points to weather the pathetic damage from small weapons. You'd need like 3x the fleet power of an enemy using battleships and cruisers loaded with missiles if all you are packing is corvettes.

>>174494198

>Agrarian Idyll

This trait seems really good, but I loathe and despise hydroponics farms. I use Frontier Clinics, Paradise Domes and Orbital Hydroponics for all my food needs. Destroy every farm, build over most of the food tiles.

>>174494476
People act like missile splash isn't a thing

>>174493667
I really don't understand the appeal in mindless blobbing.
Then again though I've waged wars strictly to fix ugly borders.

>>174494227
Probably by their fighters, not their missiles. Missiles suck against corvettes, fleets never target more than a handful of ships at a time.

>>174494548
Missiles dont splash, they just have perfect tracking
Which happen to work wonder against corvettes spam, because they have no HP whatsoever, just stacked up dodge stat as a defense mechanism
So yeah that guy above is right, missiles DO fuck up corvette badly

>>174494553
I blob because I want to control an entire spiral arm but some Fe inevitable fucks me out of that so I expand into the neighboring arm and inevitably want to control all of that one too.

>>174494476
Missiles are so fucking slow firing they'll get about two volleys off before the corvettes get in range.

Sure you'll need a shit ton of them, but you're ignoring that corvettes are more efficient in terms of cost than the equivilent in fleet power of battleships and corvettes when you take them in large fleets.

>>174494512

The power of agrarian idyll is getting multiple traditions slots in your first year, it's not like you spam farms or anything

>>174494725
They literally target ten ships in the 120+ corvette blob with each volley. Actually got try it, half your missiles will just pause mid-flight and disappear when the ship they were targeting blows up.

>>174494472
Yeah, m8. You are clearly a pro at the game because you use one less trait.

Also that's not more than 5, that is EXACTLY 5.
Non-adaptive, Charismatic, Communal, Quick-Learners and Talented

>>174494198
>they want everyone to have the best opportunities (Meritocracy)
I think you're confused. A meritocracy refers to an institution where the only way to rise through the ranks is through merit (achievement or just raw skill). It's not really that egalitarian except in the sense that meritocracies do not discriminate based on class, sex, age, etc. As long as you have the skills and requisite achievements, they are happy to have you. The other side of that coin is if you don't have the skills they won't give you the time of day. A meritocracy isn't necessarily interested in giving everybody a fair shake, they just won't turn away competent people wherever they're from or whatever they look like.

I think what you want is the egalitarian ethic, which is about equality among peers. Egalitarians are all for sharing and redistributing resources to ensure everybody has a fair shot. Leveling the playing field rather than letting the already-talented ascend the ranks.

>>174494476
range can win it for them yeah, but it's very easy to just engage right on top of the enemy.

>>174494574
~90% of damage was done by whirlwind missles

>>174494991

> It's not really that egalitarian except in the sense that meritocracies do not discriminate based on class, sex, age

That's egalitarian

>>174495021
That's actually worse for you, because then your entire fleet will be in firing range and the ships will target a lot more of them instead of just the closer elements which is how targeting works on long range weapons as two fleets gradually draw in range. See normally the missiles will just unload on the first few ships that come into range, but if you drop in right on top, they will target a bunch of shit and kill you that much faster. And because missiles are so slow it means they will often fire multiple times at the same targets at long range but that won't happen at closer range.

>>174494574
>Missiles suck against corvettes
Try fighting an empire that spams missiles with a corvette fleet and tell me how that works out.

>>174494553
a lot of people just play games like these Mainly to inevitably conquer every other Empire and become the only one left
Though fuckton of my Blobbing came from just pure Blitzkreig colonisation
also opertunistic picking off of smaller nearby Empires right after they finished wars each other and were still weak from their last war

>>174495021
landed on top of AE fleets but before I done any substantial damage they wiped me off

>>174494991
Anon is an egalitarian of opportunity (aka the one most people are), what you're talking about is egalitarianism of outcome (aka what SJW fight for).

>>174495189
Equality vs equity

>>174494864
>Actually got try it, half your missiles will just pause mid-flight
Fun fact : The missiles you see during battle are just meaningless graphics
Actual ingame missiles are completely invisible, much faster and you can hear each volley fired

When you see missiles disappear mid flight, it's just the graphics being removed because the actual missiles (the invisibles faster one) already hit and killed their target

>>174495138
It all comes down to a DPS race and having an extreme range advantage will hurt you more.
The overkill problem wastes a lot of DPS but not as much DPS as you waste by slowly flying into range.

>>174495093
Hence why I said they are egalitarian in that sense. But paradox heavily pushes the "equality between all members" sense for egalitarianism. You'll notice it in both policies and factions.

>>174495189
>egalitarianism of outcome (aka what SJW fight for).
That's not necessarily SJW.

>>174495316
You don't have to bill yourself as one, no, but that IS what they as a group advocate. It's a retarded philosophy regardless, because it inherently requires you to handicap the talented for the sake of the untalented.

>>174495316
>fight
complaining isn't fighting.
same goes for /pol/tards too

>>174495260
Not really, see >>174495234
Also the targetting problem works both ways. Your corvettes will only target 10 or so ships at a time, and if those are big meaty cruisers and battleships it will take them a long time to focus fire down those ships, all the while they are being obliterated by continuous missile fire. Hence why you need a serious numbers advantage to win. I'd estimate at least 3x the fleet power to overcome it.

>>174495267
Well they're Swedish, the people with feminist snowplows.

>>174495453
this desu, SJW are mockingly called "warriors" because they don't actually do any fighting for their cause(s)

>Curator scientist elected as Prime Minister
>Hire a new one from the Curators
>Prime Minister loses his seat
>now have two curator scientists

Neat.

>>174495546
>>174495453
In the modern age, bitching online can be surprisingly effective.

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Does anyone else always pick Domination and/or Diplomacy last?

>>174495609
There's so many bugs related to leader election. When I did the robot ascension my leader got left behind and was the sole remaining cyborg, and because my ethos was xenophobe it pissed off my xenophobe factions because they were ruled by a "xeno" now. This shit is bananas.

>>174495418
Meh it's not that wrong as long as you are like healtcare, not gonna advocate communism.

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>>174495609
>Tfw my Curator gecko end up as an immortal chosen one AND the leader of my spiritualist faction

>>174495664
Domination is stupid.

HEY GUYS OUR BIG FINISHING PERK IS THAT YOUR VASSALS GET YOUR RESEARCH
like who cares

>>174495664
diplomacy generally last for me because fuck having friends

>>174495721
If only that guy did something other than futashit desu.

>>174495664
They're both playstyle specific rather than generally good.

>>174495748
You get theirs as well though, don't you?

>>174495664
Diplomacy is always last for me. Domination is definitely on the back half

>>174495748
Yeah it's a big snorefest but that's mainly because of how shitty vassals are. There's so little you can do with them it's basically not worth it to have vassals, they're just another way to blob up that doesn't involve purging or directly annexing planets.

I do like some of the earlier perks for it though, like governor levels and leader bonuses.

>>174495798
>futa
>shit

pick one

>>174495748
you get their research too

>try to write lore about cabbage people
>ends up with shitty argument about equality

Amazing

>>174495664
5 of them at 4/5, why you not like ascension perks anon?

>>174495868
I responded to you if you bothered to read it.

>they want everyone to have the best opportunities (Meritocracy) and since they like being in communities and sharing
Souhds like both meritocracy and egalitarism, don't be afraid of being an awful commie for that.

>>174495878

At first it was because I wasn't sure what to take. Now it's because I'm having fun triggering people.

>>174495957
So just sit on the perk slot, you're not forced to use it right away. I often do that if I have a research requirement I'm still waiting on for a perk I want.

>>174495798
>>174495854
He does a pretty decent job with futa, which is often very lacking.

If I use modded traits to get psionics without being spiritualist will I still be able to access the shroud?

>>174492885
1)
>Saves 10,000+ minerals and energy
Irrelevant for wide, you'll have more production than you know what to do with anyway
2)
>Lets you skip a ton of Biology techs
This is its one good feature
3)
>Gets colonies productive earlier
See 1)

>>174496062
>futa
>lacking
Futa is actually one of the fetishes for which there's a real abundance of quality art and animations. Like off the top of my head there's Bible Black, Star Jewel, plus parts of Space Pirate Sara, Viper, Daiakuji. There's some other, less quality ones I could name that I still find passable. A shame the Futabu adaptation was shitty, but it could've been a lot worse really.

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Confirming that;

>Hurr just spam basic corvette, defeat everything!

and;

>Hurr missiles can't do shit to muh corvette spam!

Are fucking memes. Pic related was making my game stutter due to the amount of corvettes I was using to equal an FE's basic fleet strength (inb4 potato) and it still got utterly slaughtered against a smaller FE fleet that was predominantly using missiles.

>>174495854
I pick both.

>>174496320
>he fell for the corvette meme

>>174496320
If you had better weapons than just kinetics you could probably do it if you had double or triple your numbers.

>>174496320
Mate it was their strike craft that did most the work on you. Strike craft doesn't get enough credit, always found carrier battleships better than artillery ones.

Did they fix that thing were uplifted species would lose the trait ( and happiness ) if you gene mod them after their uplifting ? i found those OP reaches that can live anywere and dont want to fuck kup

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>>174496462

Who /strike craft/ here?

>>174496320
REKT

>>174496524
that picture just gave me second-hand autism

>>174496320
See this is what I'm talking about. The damage output is roughly the same, but the difference is corvettes can't take that punishment and cruisers and battleships can.

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>>174496309
There can be quality in art and animations but so can anything, futa is really inconsistent with its context.
Bible Black is a good example of mediocre futa, though it's more mediocre across the board.
You could take futa out of Bible Black and it'd literally be exactly the same.

Space Pirate Sara is pointless trash and I'm unfamilar with your other examples.

Futa is on average poor because it's there only for its own sake. Stuff like Rondo Duo is good futa because people actually acknowledge it as out of place.

UH HOW ABOUT THOSE BROKEN LORDS HUH? LOTS OF DUST WITH THOSE GUYS.

>>174496462
>It was the strikecraft!
>FE Strikecraft Damage: 0

Right.

>>174496462
>Mate it was their strike craft
literally no damage from strike craft

>>174496462
Except that fleet had zero strikecraft. You can see the score chart right there, zero strike craft damage done that battle. You were saying?

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>>174496671
Strikecraft don't list their damage

>>174496379
The idea I was testing was that just spamming the basic corvette is the most cost effective fleet formation. Adding better weapons requires better power, which increases the cost per corvette, which, give how easily they pop without any kind of defences, makes them worse, not better.

>>174496729
>>174496734
Strikecraft damage listing is bugged.

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>Just spam corvettes they said

>>174496756
Duely noted, however, deducting the other damage types, the strikecraft did 7,160 dmg, which hardly accounts for the majority of the 248,575 dmg the fleet inflicted.

>>174496320
>>174496768
We'll it's an awful fucking idea almost all 15K of your damage done went to shields while nearly all of their damage was to your hull. All this proves is that shields are worth the investment

>>174493667
>fighting unbidden
>materialist FE tips its fedora and attacks me
>I don't want its shitty broken ringworlds
They don't rebuild their fleet right? So after I break everything they have they will pretty much be neutered no?

>>174496937
Strikecraft damage doesn't show up at all, it's not even calculated. Look at the image he posted, it doesn't show any damage dealt by his fortress despite winning the combat and destroying both corvettes.

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Guys, listen, guys what if, what if I merge my, listen here, my ether drake and dreadnaught?

>>174496463


Pls help

>>174497363
Wait you can get the Ether Drake as a ship? I thought you could only kill it

>>174497363
does drake still spawn with warp I?

>>174497394
No idea dude. This game has so many bugs who can keep track of it all

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>>174497415
Even from building a mining station on the dragon hoard planet.

>>174497429
It has jump drives because I had jump drives when I got it.

Also, my dreadnaught versus your titan you fedora-tipping cunt.

>>174497242
Oh right.

>>174497415
You can get one it's eggs and raise a cute ether drake of your own.
Don't hatch it until after you get jump drives though, unless you just want it to end up sitting at your capital as a guardian or something.

>>174497415
You kill it, and can sometimes get an egg.

>>174497571
>>174497590
>>174497602
Fug. I've never gotten that event.

>>174497429
spawns with level 1 of whatever drive you have.

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Suck it cunt.
Psi Warriors/Titanic Beast/Avatar versus Gene Warriors time.

>>174497678
except wormhole i suppose

I don't think I can use anything but the wormhole ever again. All of those warp drive games feel like slog now.

>>174497801
Well wormhole only has one level. The techs just passively boost the range of the stations.

>>174497813
It can get pretty annoying with really large fleets but that's the time you get jump drives anyway.

>>174497813
Yep that's how it goes. I find it hard to give up the wormhole, but using warp now and then isn't so bad, just for a change of pace. If I'm trying to be serious in my game though, I always take wormhole. The advantages it offers are just too good.

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>all dat room
this is gonna be an easy game

To that guy who showed off the Dark UI mod, thanks a lot. This mod is awesome. Fixes so many issues I have with Stellaris's shitty UI.

>>174497225
Only if they haven't awoken.

>>174497904
I typically use warp for research-focused civs because the science ships never have to stop surveying.

I never use hyperdrive. It's tedious and an eyesore and offers no strategy only turtling.

>>174497889
I meant drake doesnt spawn with wormhole gen

at least didnt in my game

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>Been excited as fuck for Utopia for a month
>Tired of it by late-game of my first playthrough

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Drake equipment.

>>174498168
What are those weapons like? Are they all particle lances?

>>174498030
>muh science ships stop surveying when I run out of space
how hard it is to queue wormhole stations every 10 years or so?
you do know you can queue actions by holding shift, right? do you guys want literally everything automated?

>>174497742

organic fucking ships when REEEEE

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>Finally get my full psionics.
>Sub-races of Arid and Jungle-preference founder species I created literally half a year ago keep worthless latent psionic instead of getting the upgrade.
Fuck.

It's just two planets and it takes about a month of research each just to create a fully psionic variant from my main pops, but I'm going to forever feel bad for these two planets for being psionically crippled.

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>>174498223

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>>174498168

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>>174498168
>Scile
delet this right now or I'm coming for you

>>174498343
>energy point defense
Why is it the only point defense we can research are the little turrets? I was just thinking earlier today there should be other types. Like interceptor missiles.

>>174498368
kek

Why would anyone terraform when simply shifting your species over to whatever preference is so much faster?

>>174498224
t. Autist who wants to micromanage absolutely everything no matter how inconsequential

>>174498049
Oh they might not then, I'm not sure.

>>174498431
Flak is also point defense.

>>174498343
>wepon
Is that supposed to be a reference? It's been so long.

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>>174498326
The event for giving psychic to other species is bugged by the way. I had these parrots who gained latent psionics and then it gave me the vent to turn them into psychics.
Their name got changed to this and then they became my main founder species somehow and the humans became enslaved, even though they were also psychics.

>>174498326
It's part of the issue of the game treating gene modded sub-species as entirely separate species. It's really annoying too, because when you go to look at your empire's demographics it'll be sliced into dozens of tiny pieces instead of just clumping the differently gene-modded species together. It could say "humans (4 sub-species)" when you mouse over it. How fucking hard is that?

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>>174498535
t. fucking casual that has no place in any kind of strategy game

>>174498548
>Flak is also point defense.
But it's not a Point Defense slot weapon. That's what I'm talking about. We have this special slot just for point defense to prevent corvettes from abusing it and only one weapon can even go there. It's a tacky solution to the problem that they could make more palatable by just making some different types of point defense slot weapons.

>>174498548
>Is that supposed to be a reference? It's been so long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQq12lDl0Kk

>>174498431
Yeah, I don't like that either. Lasers can shoot down missiles just fine, and sometimes I like to have my species just use one type of weapons across all their ships.

>>174498549

you should never let xenos into your empire

>>174495893
With being a democracy and all that, that should encourage the best and the brightest to fill the ranks, I don't want to drop F.Xenophile because the theme I'm going for is that these guys are looking for other cultures as unification happened quite early for them with mono languages

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Why are the synthetic/biological ascension paths so fucking awful bros? They're both so fucking easy to fix/buff without breaking muh psionics.

>Gib better traits for biological ascension and decrease costs

>Make synthetic pop growth normal once you get androids (With Cylon-tier portraits) while boosting engineering research.

Sure, playing the Fall of the Eldar is fucking great, but fuck's sake, where's muh Daleks and muh Shrikes

>>174498224
It costs energy and it's a waste of time. I'm usually pacifist on those runs anyway so it's just a mobile game where i pop bubbles as they show up.

>>174498620
Oh right. I didn't think about the point defense slot because I only use flak anyway.
I think it might be a cure to make sure the AI always has some, though it's obviously weighted too heavily for them.

>>174498621
fucking start of 2008 man

>>174498619
It's a roleplaying game, not a strategy game tho.

>>174498620

Strike Craft best point defense

>>174498549
>>174498326
Basically, species are fucked and it needs to be the next thing they fix. I thought they said they were going to fix the whole "if you mod a species it turns into a completely different species" thing but I guess it was just more hot air with no substance.

>>174498740
>costs energy
>literally 025 maintenance cost

>>174498787
They are point defense countered by other point defense. PD are ultra safe with the trade off of giving up some of your potential firepower to negate your opponent's weapons. Flak batteries are a bit better in that regard since they can still do some damage to enemy ships.

>Paradox fixing anything

This is how they operate:

>release DLC/patch
>introduce new mechanic
>it's fucking broken
>next patch or two try to fix/balance it
>either completely butcher it making it inviable/flavor only or break it/something else even more
>instead of fixing it they just repeat the cycle by releasing more DLC/mechanics
lol enjoy your broken game

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guess who just joined the shitlist!

>>174498559
>>174498802
They should really add a way to let you rename them, at least.

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>Pumpkin people from the Deneb system

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>>174498706
I modified the save to make my species the founder again because what happened didn't make sense.

Also, first time I find living metal that's not from a ringworld.

>>174498559
>>174498549
>>174498802
It won't even let me tell them to stop breeding because they're the same species, but they don't ascend when my species does.

It's bugged to hell.

>>174498983
I think what they should do is, just adding traits to your species doesn't cause them to be categorized as a separate species, instead they get listed in a sub-menu that gets brought up when you click on the species. All the variations of that species. But once you unlock the advanced gene modding that lets you remove beneficial traits, thus changing your species' main characteristics, it should split them off into a separate species that you can name. Because that's really the end game of gene modding: creating entirely new species. It'd be neat if they could also randomly generate new portraits for them too, but currently their portrait selection is too limited. You'd need more subtle gradiations like what the humanoid section has.

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>>174489837
>Evasion Stacking
>In a galaxy where 100% accuracy, 100% tracking weapons exists

>>174499119
bugged anomaly event with subsurface ocean

seen this couple of times alredy

>>174489837
>relying on evasion when missiles exist

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Anybody know where the star lords modifier comes from?

>>174499437
Probably shared authoritarian ethic if I had to guess.

>>174499437
Perk that gives bonus dmg to all crisis enemies?

>>174499437
Domination tree.

>>174499354
this actually works in some cases
butchered FE isolationist with corvets (after they wiped all my other ships)
battle took sth like a 3 years but it looked funny

like a swarm of angry bees

Is improved space battles mod good?

>>174499769

Um.... Sweetie, maybe you should try it instead of being a shitlord? kthxbai

>>174498282
Pretty sure it references the existence of organic ships during an anomaly/research project. Perhaps it was a reference to the Genesis Rising series, which is about organic spaceships.

>>174499769
Yeah, I like it, it's pretty balanced. The graphic part is quality too.

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>>174500246

As it stands right now, Hive empires are just regular empires with weird social gatherings

>>174500246
I thought it was a Farscape reference...

>>174499769

Yes. Combine it with New Ship Classes for maximum goodness.

>>174500450
Probably, I just looked up the game I was talking about and it had shit reviews, so I doubt it was bought enough to get referenced.

>>174498165
Late game is always boring anon.
Just start again, the freshness will all come flooding back.

>>174500954
dont forget about alpha mod for additional features

What's wrong with going Democracy+Talented+Meritocracy+Discovery tree and shitting out 3-4 star leaders constantly? Other than traits ofc

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lol fags they're aliens who cares

man I wish there was civ style research speed setting at the beggining of a new game in stellaris

>>174501465
>lol fags they're aliens who cares
I like getting these while I'm eating them as a hive mind.

Oh no, my food is getting restless.

Just eat them.

Anybody else getting corrupted user-generated empires in their games? I forced one of my empires to spawn and its name was changed to "unreadable string" and it had no form of government.

Show me your ascension perks, people. What's your progression?

>>174501707
Did you go back through your old user empires and give them civics?
Because if no, I assume that'd be why

>>174496320
>b-but muh swarm fleet...

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>>174501948
Trying to build tall, so I'll go for megastructure ascensions for now. Swimming in resources with nothing to spend them on, and can't settle the last few planets I have because it pisses off the nearby FE, so I'm spamming habitats for now.

Is getting Utopia worth it? Getting the crack and what not seems to be a lot of effort for me.

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>>174501948
:^)

Should I be putting a Spiral-Feed power Hub in my Energy Habitats?
I can't really put it anywhere else since the unity from the regular power hubs on my planets is better than the extra power it might give?

>>174502125
I feel you there, I've got an FE right in my way.

Of course, said FE is currently only at 'Equivalent' with Fleet Power and Capacity, so as soon as I unlock Jump Drives I'm going to push his shit in.

>>174502385
My local FE is at equivalent power, though I don't buy that bullshit. Gonna wait until I have a much larger navy before I even try it, though I suppose I could always savescum and see how well it goes. Could save me several hours of sitting on my arse unable to do anything.

>tfw you have been so slack that most of your colonies don't have Governors
>Don't have sectors
>The FE is chill and I have no neighbours but think I ruined the save due to how I played it

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>>174501948
>Show me your ascension perks, people. What's your progression?

This time around as a hive mind went different to what I normally did (except Master Of Nature which is automatic #1 pick).

1 - Expansion & Master of Nature
2 - Supremacy & 25% Border
3 - Discovery & 10% Research
4 - Discovery & Damage to Fallen/Woke Empires
5 - Prosperity. I will probably go Bioengineering to give me 3 trait points, which is enough to specialise each planet with Intelligent, Thrifty, Agrarian or Industrious

>>174502552
From my experience you only really want 1-3 Governers even if you have 50+ planets
Though they pretty good when put on Sectors, extremely meh on planets themselves

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>>174501948

Stop triggering me.

I just hit my 4h ascension perk and I still did not had a basic rare tech for Psi ascension, after I cycled it ONCE in the first 50 years.

Can you integrate tributaries and protectorates now?

So, what's the defense against strike craft? Strike craft of your own, of the figher type? Or Point Defense?

>>174502923

dunno about tributaries but yes to protectorates

>>174502204
mastery of nature that high?

>>174502962
Point defense kills them.
Point defense options are the point defense slot laser thing that ONLY does point defense damage, the medium slot flak cannon that does point defense damage(at four times the range) and actual, although small damage to main ships.
Fighters are like flak, they can point defense and they can also attack ships.

Flak is the best PD.
Fighters and the officially named point defense are the other two options.

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>Xenophile fallen empire awakens and almost immediately tells me to join them
>use this to provoke the Xenophobe fallen empire into attacking me
I really hope papa Peacekeapers decide to actually help

Can somebody explain me why bombers are shit?

Is it because they are doing the job of L-slots on Battleships and L-slots options are just better or is there someething else that I am missing?

>>174503591
They die to flak/PD before even firing.

>>174503591

Takes time to get to the target
Rather low damage
Can be shot down by PDs and flak cannons
Takes lots of research to make them comparable to other endgame weaponry like kinetic arti (L slot weapon)

>>174503591

Bombers are shit because they die to PD and ignore shields

>>174503618
but regular strike craft die to flaks and pd as well, yet they are considered good.

???

I am confused.

>tfw you cant design and manufacture your warships and sell them to other empires for profits or political gains

>>174503735
>tfw you cant-

I give you Stellaris!

>>174503710

Regular strike craft aren't good, but they are better because they are quicker and do damage to shields

>>174503710
Nobody sane considers them good.

>>174503767
And offer some PD duty as well.

Huh, I didn't know that if you conquer an empire with vassals without liberating, freeing, or ceding their planets, their vassal automatically becomes yours.

>>174501465
>>174501564
I guess all food is equal at the end of the day

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How do I got gud enough to win over newbie ai in endless Space?
>start as horatio master race
>focus on food and colonizing good planets
>stick with food until a planet is fully populated
>ai busts into my system
>offer peace and ignore them
>start specializing planets and make a shipyard
>make a pimpin fleet
>finally leave system to take on the galaxy
>ai fleet absolutely rapes mine

>>174503527
lmao ur dead

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tfw considering gene modding elf migrants to remove "slow breeding" and add "charismatic"

Why doesn't guaranteeing someone's independence give you influence instead? Should be a more benevolent version of rivalries.

>>174503987
What's your fleet design looking like? Horatio ships are notoriously shit in both cost and overall modules.

UE and Riftborn ftw

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>>174503893

Strike craft are decent because: Their activation distance, whatever you want to call it (but not their actual "weapon range"), is very long. They do damage to corvettes. They do damage to shields. They act as PD. Enemies will actually fire on strike craft instead of your main ships.

>>174504091
Besides auto upgrade I usually put a missile, chaff and an invasion module on.
Sticking with 5 ships per fleet since I've gotten fucked over by the upkeep cost of bigger fleets.

>>174504106
>Strike craft are decent

noo.. pls stop.. only energy torpedo and plasma cannons are good ... .. no battle ships ..

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>>174501948
what's the point of domination anyway?