/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

SPIDERS ARE GAY

Second for battleships are a meme

SPIDERS

ARE

NOT

STRATEGY

>>174416914
I WANT MY LANCE META BACK ALREADY

>>174416852
That's why you bring some dedicated shield sappers with neutron torpedoes and then annihilate the Unbidden with plasma once their shields are down

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>>174416906
>>174416954
SAY THAT TO MY FACE AND NOT ONLINE

STOP IT WITH THE FUCKING SPIDERS YOU CUNTS

>>174416990
Oh yeah for sure. You want plasma against everything, just that against unbidden you do want more than just plasma.
Against everyone else just plasma'll do.

>>174417006
>reddit filename

That explains everything

>>174417048
Reddit has had its own image uploading service for ages
Imgur is its own community now, like fucking 9gag or something

I'm sick of the unoriginality of the spider shit at this stage too, but we were almost 100 threads over. If you want to complain make the new thread yourselves next time.

>there are spiders in this general RIGHT NOW

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>planet has terraforming candidate button
>terraform button doesn't appear

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>>174416843
what a cute spider

can you colonise a planet with space age primitives on it

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>>174417048
>mistaking imgur for reddit
Someone take this newfag out of here.

>>174417204
Why wouldn't you be able to?

>>174417204
yes send in you army, soon no more primitives

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Reminder that Vodyani don't care about how much population a planet can hold, just how much the ark can hold.

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>unmet civ spawned in the fucking Pit of Hell

How much you wanna bet they're fanatic purifiers?

>>174416914
As are corvettes and destroyers.

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>>174417276
Vodyani aren't nearly as cool as dosh lords

>>174417346
They are essentially dosh lords + cultists.

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>>174417193
Damn right spiders are cute.

We need more games with spiders in them. Brb, reinstalling Myst.

Reminder that everything in stellaris is a meme because it is a meme game. If you are not meming then you are doing it wrong.

>>174417513
This guy gets it.

Is there a way to mod spaceport modules to modify tile production on the planet?

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>Want to have chill game a space mormons
>Have only 6 other empires set to normal aggressiveness in a large System
>Starts off good, start adventuring out some more mid year 5
>Pirates and Non empire aliens are all around me at 1.2K and shit
>Having my own little paradise piece of shit sector that can't expand because every one of my ships gets shot down

We just want to fuck and expand, leave us alone :c

>>174417570

I think so. Observatory:


tile_resource_physics_research_mult = 0.1
tile_resource_society_research_mult = 0.1
tile_resource_engineering_research_mult = 0.1

Those are the same modifiers pop units have, so you can do similar stuff to that. I don't think you can add flat amounts to individual tiles, however. Just planet wide multipliers that are added at the end of the equation.

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>>174417276
>ywn be spaceship bound dust suit wearing powerful qt 3.14 dominating every other galactic nation while being dominated by patriarch of your nation
waste of life

>>174417648
I once had a game with like 8 system with void clouds around me
Just build some ships and smash them, nerd

>>174417686
Use some commas, goddamn.

I love spiders.

I love Age of Wonders.

I FUCKING HATE SPIDERS IN AGE OF WONDERS.

Who are some good 4x LPer's?

I know Quill18 is pretty memein' but who else is there?

>>174417387
Without the charm of either.

>>174417732
Make me

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>>174417735
I like spiders.
I hate goblins.
I love Battle for Middle Earth 2.
I fucking hate playing as Goblins in BfME2.

is there a guide anywhere on how to minmax ship designs?

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>tfw just found out what happens when you give in to the shroud

Wew

>>174417797

Marbozir I guess

>>174417914
there was a pastebin link about ship designs in a recent thread, forgot link

>>174417852
You mean Orcs, cunt?

>>174417997
>>174417914
https://pastebin.com/2QWUPKSh

>>174418017
thanks

>>174418007
Orcs and goblins are different, uncultured, spider-hater, swine.

>>174418017

>missiles are worthless

Well this explains a lot about my last game

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KLINGON STRONG

What happens if you move your capital to a ringworld and then The worm eats the Star into a black hole and Tomb worlds your shit?

>>174418157
At least import the insignia if you're going to make an established race.

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>spider-hater get rekt
>start moving the goalposts and humiliating himself
Sad!

>>174418156
>Well this explains a lot about my last game
they are _totally_ worthless. bulking up fleets with dozens of shitty 60 mineral corvettes with nothing but missiles and whatever warp drive you've got can be helpful.

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>>174418079

WE IZ GOBBOS

>>174417676
no but those are multipliers
I want to ADD resources to tiles

>>174418220
>English translation
Orc is old-english for foreigner, you fucking French.

And orcs and goblins ARE different factions in bfme2

>>174418220
You know they are established as separate species in numerous fantasy genres, stop being purposely obtuse.

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>>174418502
Hey, hey don't call him French.

Because I'm the French here. And even throught there's some confusion in the book about orcs and goblins, the movies, video games, and even The Hobbit (the book) makes the differences obvious.

That poor idiot just wanted to be like "hahaha u secondary fan only watched the movie but the book that i the true Fan have read are differents".
Without considering the fact that we're on /vg/ here.

>>174418502
>Orc is old-english for foreigner, you fucking French.
I don't gve a fuck if you think that's what Tolkien was referring to, I'm pretty sure his actual written explanation trumps your bullshit
>And orcs and goblins ARE different factions in bfme2
Not an argument
>>174418620
>in numerous fantasy genres
Not an argument when talking about LotR

>>174417570
>>174417676
>>174418495
planet_modifier = {
every_tile = {
if = {
limit = {
has_resource = {
type = society_research
amount > 0
}
}
}
add_resource = {
resource = physics_research
amount = 1
replace = no
}

this doesn't seem to work

>In a federation with some shitters that don't have any military

>3 of us

>2 people declare war on a member so now its 3v2
>we are all doing our best, I'm able to hold off one of the enemies

>I'm harassing the empire and taking their planets
>-14% wargoal

>Hmm I wonder why thats happening if I'm doing well

>suddenly a 50k fleet from the second empire pops up

>my highest fleet power was 20k

OH NO

>>174418679
Not giving any arguments either, therefore you're wrong and they're right.

>>174418751
Try

produced_resources = {
physics_research = 1
}

instead of add_resource

>>174418679
>Not an argument
Just like your mother and me last night

>>174418751
Can Paradox code even use > ? I don't think I've ever seen that in a file
Also, has_resource type = society research should be enough, that already implies it has more than one

What research type is Terraforming? Is it New Worlds?

>>174418502
>Orc is old-english for foreigner, you fucking French.
It's not, you idiot.

>"Orcus was the name for Pluto, the god of the infernal regions, hence we can easily understand the explanation of hel-deofol. Orc, in Anglo-Saxon, like thyrs, means a spectre, or goblin."

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>>174418937
OOOOOOOOOOOH DAYUM SON LAY DOWN THE ROAST

>>174419065
That's what she said

What's the best way to make a slave empire in Stellaris?

Is Stellaris now playable? With which mods?

>>174419058
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/orc

I forgot to close the last thread
>>174419194
Look at this American who still doesn't understand the concept of timezones

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>Worried because empire I want to gobble up decides to found a federation.
>But nobody wants to join it so now he's just protected by his one single federationmate and not the 6 other Empires he had defensive pacts with before.

>>174419314
>wikipedia
trustworthy

>>174419384
>wiktionary is the same as wikipedia
You clearly are way out of your league here, buddy.

>>174419296
Take xenophobe ethos
Conquer planets and then leave them alone once you built enough defense armies to quell unrest

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>these grots and they's """""orcs"""""

>>174419314
>>>English
>Probably from Italian orco (“man-eating giant”); later revived by J. R. R. Tolkien, partly after Old English orc (“demon”).
>>>Old English
>>Compare Old Saxon ork.
>Cup, tankard.
>>From Latin orcus.
>Demon.
>Hell.
This even goes against you, Anon. No "foreigner" there.

>>174419384
>everything said to me isn't an argument
>all sources are unreliable
>"why doesn't anyone taken me srsly baaw"

>>174418650
The only distinction the lore really gives is that goblins are either a Hobbitish name for them, or they're just smaller and scrawnier orcs, who are already smaller and scrawnier than men. Hell, that's the entire distinction of Uruk-Hai, that they're as tall as regular humans instead of being dwarf-sized and skinny.

>>174419341
Yeah man I love that shit
>everyone bands together in defensive pacts because I am the big evil militarist xenophobe empire
>one of them decides to start a federation with another tiny 2 planet empire
>immediately attack and take 8 of their planets
>later on the rest of the dudes who banded together try to attack me but it's too late now and I destroy all their fleets

How stupid Stellaris ai is? It gets stuck on planets if you kill their transports every time. It doesn't seem to happen when ai empires fight each other though.

Why don't you just rename this general to stellaris general and let /civ4xg/ die out?

>>174419540
>that's the entire distinction of Uruk-Hai, that they're as tall as regular humans
Don't forget the slanted eyes! And I think they were described as "swarthy" as well, just like the half-orc spies running around
Goddamn I love Tolkien's racism

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>Xenophobic enough to not want too many ayys in my home systems and don't want to give them full citizenship or leadership positions
>Not xenophobic enough to want to reduce the galaxy's diversity of life, purge or enslave ayys

It's a weird feeling

>>174419552
This particular federation is probably gonna survive because the other member is like three empires over, but at least this empire is a dead duck

Worst part is that he ended up conquering a former ally of mine, and now their remnant hates my guts because they've completely drunken the kool-aide despite them being xenophobic slavers.

>>174419540
>they're just smaller and scrawnier orcs
Nice to see you finally agree with me, but if you pay attention to the board we're both currently on, you might find out that we are not talking about the books or the lore, but about the VIDEO GAMES, in which Goblins are NOT Orcs.

Therefore, you're off-topic.

>>174419667
I still want to see racial group specific xenophobia and xenophilia.

>>174419667
That's fine though, nothing weird about it
Hell, I don't even like my own fucking species migrating around to colonies, leaving buildings on the original planet unmanned. I sure as fuck am not gonna let disgusting aliens run around my empire willy nilly
>tfw xenophile ethos simply because letting conquered fucks be happy and free is more efficient than enslaving them

>>174419646
Well hey, it's european fantasy, and europe's been invaded by swarthy fellows quite a few times in its history.

>>174419738
>you finally
I'm someone else. I'm a wandering nerd.

>>174419667
It's more like "stay the fuck away from me" than "KILL ALL AYYYS". That's what actualy xenophoby is about.

>>174419586
>It doesn't seem to happen when ai empires fight each other though
Because in any scenario when Stupid fights stupid it ends up being an evened match
But whenever stupid fights smart its a one sided battle

Okay guys what is the best ascension path?
>psi shit for the best shields, traits, and improved jump drive
>gene mods for stacking trait bonuses on your species
>synthetics for production bonuses and replacing all your farms with powerplants

In Stellaris is it just me or does the game spawn shitloads more female leaders than male?

>>174419726
Allies are great to prevent others from declaring war on you while you're busy conquering half the galaxy, but they're pretty pointless in an actual war due to the way the AI handles combat
That goes for enemy allies as well, actually. Sure thing, just keep sending those fleets one at a time so I can wipe them all out one after another, I'm fine with that
So basically losing an ally isn't that big a deal, just signals it's time to conquer them. Realpolitik, motherfucker

>>174419667
I'd like if xenophobes got some government stuff that let you set the terms of your xenophobia.
Is it all aliens out? Is it all aliens belong as slaves in your glorious empire? Is it aliens are an affront to nature and will be purged wherever we go. Hell do we just not like bug people in particular?

I want some fucking choices dammit I don't just want it to be a blanket xenos out reeee option.

>>174418751
You're missing some } lad

>>174419992
Who cares? And it's not like I can tell whether my space monstrosity called Nor-Roarg is male or female. Stop playing humans you boring fuck
>>174420101
Why? You can already do it as species rights. What additional benefit do you gain from setting a default?

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With the new Utopia DLC for stellaris, is it now more possible to make Borg-ish species? What ethics should I take, why technology should I focus on to achieve it as fast as possible?

>>174420074
Oh I know, it just sucks that I'm stuck being the galactic pariah again. Would like to not have to conquer EVERYONE for once.

At least with him gone my only real rival is this race of foxes called the Tumbator Alliance. Fitting name I think.

>>174420101
You actually get less of a mallus if the species is from the same category. So if you're playing human xenophobes, they don't mind space elves as much as they do bugs.

>>174420190
I don't think you can do the assimilation thing, best you can do is get an ascension perk to upload your species' minds into synthetics

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why cant we be friends?
>pacifist is boring
>genocide is fun
>breaking up rival federations is fun

I want to make my own 4x game.

How can I make sure it's good?

>>174420312
>>genocide is fun
It's so annoying waiting for new pops to grow on the planet though
>>174420360
Make battleships actually useful

>>174420360

Pay someone else to make it

>>174420292
>I don't think you can do the assimilation thing, best you can do is get an ascension perk to upload your species' minds into synthetics

Well Borg are Cyborg... so just stay as a Cyborg and then you (iirc) can make newly conquered pops cyborgs.

>>174420360

Don't add point defence

>>174420404
BBs are still the best ships in all my games though

>>174420446
Oh my god I completely forget that there's another step
So yes, you can go full Borg
>make your guys cyborgs
>conquer species
>genemod them into being yborgs as well

>>174420553

Aren't they also a hive mind, though. If you pick that government you can't assimilate other species without a certain ascension point.

>can't vassalize FEs or release them as vassals
Fucking Ass.

>>174420518
Good for you, your fleet is still better off replacing them with cruisers and smaller ships

>Playing as a Hive Mind
>No intention to be overly hostile against the singular minded aliens
>After some time the large federation declares war on me for just not being like them
>I hold them off long enough for them to declare white peace
>After this, I noticed that the federation has bullied and attack smaller empires
>So I create my own federation (with blackjack and hookers) with the smaller Empires in order to combat the larger empires
>Current status of the galaxy: Cold War

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>>174420190
There is a mod I got that Adds an assencion perk that lets you turn all Aliens that isn't your main species into 'synthtic' copies of your species
you can either do it by force or let them choose if they are happy enough to willingly do it

>>174420360
Make sure war isn't the only way to win.

>>174420634

>STOP
>HAVING
>FUN

t. agrarian idyll/inwards perfection player

>>174420614
I don't fucking know man
If you wanna go hivemind you'd have to go genemod ascension for some kind of biological version of the Borg

>>174420614
There should be a technology we're you can create an artificial hive mind

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wew lads

>>174420312
>be xenophile but not pacifist
>defencive alliances
>have a few but very tall planets
>habitats made of nothi g but space labs
>muh sxience
>ringworlds before empires even awaken
>stuffed with mining stations alone
>dont take a side in war on heaven until they weaken each other
>guarantee independence of empire vassals
>grab their super OP ringworlds too
>and their vassals
>proceed to rape the entire galaxy

SLOW AND STEADY

>>174420692
Immediately moving the goalposts from "are battleships good ships?" to "BUT THEY'RE FUN TO USE"
Congratulations, you lost the argument

>>174420646
That's retarded. They would just kill everyone.

>>174420634
nope, i win every time with battleships

>>174419990
bump

why my ships dont defend my fregihters and bases?
distant worlds

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>>174420763

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>Awakened FE can't contain the unbidden

>>174420763
Make sure to build all the mining stations as quickly as you can and disband your fleet before doing so.

>>174420634
Battleships are like smart crusers.
Unlike crusers they dont rush to get blown up but actually use their advantage of long range large weapons

>>174421068
You need to order them.

>>174421278

Why did they remove the individual AIs from ships anyway? I want artillery cruisers back again. Stupid ass change.

Why even materialists ascendancies don't like ai robotics? Is it "synthetic life has nothing in common with organic" thing, or some other deepest lore?

>>174421278
Yeah man I regularly see all those smart battleships
>my swarm fleet rushes ahead
>enemy BBs don't have any BBs to shoot at
>ineffectually use their L weapons on cruisers
>just sit there like sitting ducks once I wipe out their screens

>>174421353
Robotic uprising.

>>174421353
They don't like people researching dangerous technologies. AI robotics can trigger the AI uprising.

>>174421312
So there was a reason for battleships and destroyers to exist

>>174421265
w-what's going to happen?

>>174421353
Are you fucking retarded? AI rebellion is a common theme in sci-fi and Stellaris even allows it to happen
Now why would an insanely advanced empire be wary of someone just going full AI? HMMMMMMMMMM I WONDER

>>174421431
You will get a large amount of minerals!

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>>174421389
>>174421371
But I didn't research "sentient ai" stuff yet, just use my droids to work my mines and farms. I do have cybernetic implants though, but I'm pretty sure I had relation debuff even before that.

>>174421410
Yeah, great, now battleships have no purpose because cruisers do everything they do better.

>>174421484
Is that Shrek?
What the fuck?

>>174421473
sweet!

>>174421512
Probably some star trek portrait.

>>174421484

Can't tell if you are genuinely retarded or not but with a mod like that the answer's probably yes lmao

>>174421448
>AI rebellion is a common theme in sci-fi
I don't remember it happening in Warhammer 40,000, Dune, Matrix, AI, Nier : Automata.

>>174421484
They're upset that you're starting to move towards it, -15 won't cause them to attack you.

>>174420813
>guy asks if it is possible to make a borg like Race
>tell him a way he can
>thats retarded
???

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>>174421484
That's not a real Vaadwuar!

>>174421487
Except remaining after the battle is over.

Cruisers rush to play fun with corvettes and get shredded immediately

>>174421582
That is such a weird shitpost, it doesn't even work as a joke because of how obvious it is

>>174421582
Was going to say something but yeah you're being too obvious.

Should've just stuck with 40k because very few surface level fans know the Dark Age of Technology.

>>174421583
I know, I just wanted to know if it's just generic sci-fi trope, like other raging autists said, or something "deeper", stellaris only.

>>174421665
Autists struggle with sarcasm.

>>174421613
Be honest with me anon: Have you ever tried a battleship-less fleet? Go something like 2 cruisers : 3 destroyers : 4 corvettes
Also, pretending all your battleships stay alive against an enemy fleet also using battleships is just a straight-up obvious lie, unless you happen to have 3 times their fleet power in which case composition won't matter anyway

>>174420512

>not having missiles and missile counters

>>174421363
>ineffectually using L weapons on cruisers
Why do people keep thinking this shit? Without enigmatic encoders or precog computers a cruiser only has 5% dodge chance vs every L slot gun in the game. Cruisers drop like a sack of shit when battleships are firing on them.

>>174421792

There's no counters for kinetics or lasers. Why should missiles be any different. They're shit enough as is and the only good missiles are untargetable by PD

>>174421685
Autists struggle with sarcasm because they don't understand tone of voice, something that you do not have in text unless you make it very very obvious
We do not know you personally, so we can't know the depths of your sci-fi knowledge and infer that you were being sarcastic
Leaving all that aside, it was an absolutely terrible joke. "Oh yeah I don't remember that happening in the Matrix", like really? That's not a joke because every single person in the world knows it's false

>>174421834
I'm not the guy who posted it. I'm saying its crap sarcasm because he's an autist.

>>174421797
Tracking
>Cruisers drop like a sack of shit when battleships are firing on them
Okay anon I understand that this is what you have seen in your shitty battleship battles, but you should really try going battleship-less for just one game. I promise you will be amazed at how little the enemy battleships will be able to do to you

>>174421831
>the only good missiles are untargetable by PD
Which one are those? Are torpedoes not affected by PD?

>>174422040

There's 5 types of torpedoes - space torps, armored torps, devastator torps. Those can be destroyed by PD.

The other 2 are Proton and Neutron torps. They don't deal explosive damage (so explosive damage multipliers don't affect em, energy does however) however they cannot be targeted by PD.

>>174420634
They are good with a mix of other ships. I have 5-10 BShips, and they never die because of their regen and hp. Losses are always 1-3 cruisers, 2-5 destroyers, 10-20 corvettes.

>>174421750
>my fleet under 50 k
>Awakened fleet about the same
>20 BS
>20 CRU
>60-80 CORV
>Battleships are literally never lost in battle but cruuisers are all the time
>three battles latet
>still 20 BS some corvettes and no cruesers at all

Batyleships and cruesers are "the longest stick" you can get them stuffed with kinetic artillery but the crusers JUST DONT FUCKING USE IT.

Maube cruesers are good to stuff them full of flac entirely to fuck up enemy corvettes abd struje craft though, gotta check it out.

THE ONLY situation where big ships suck is that fallen empire large ship instskill laset

>>174420145
It's not the only modifier for every_tile, but they're exactly the same with different resources
>>174418892
doesn't seem to work
I guess I'll have to use some creative selector shit to get to tiles, it seems only edicts can access them directly or some shit
>>174418941
I've seen it used in at least one instance, I expected it to work. Don't know if it actually does.

>>174421068
dont they automatically do this? i mean they are set for patrol and automated.

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whew no one claimed this entire arm

>>174422191
>Maube cruesers are good to stuff them full of flac
I usually run with about 1/3 of my cruisers being PD cruisers and even those only have one PD module. No need to overkill it on flaks
>greentext story
So you have no tried a battleship-less fleet. You should do it because you're talking out of your ass otherwise

>>174421921
>tracking
That 5% figure is with tracking calculated you dumbass. Tracking is a fucking evasion modifier
accuracy-(evasion-tracking)=chance to hit.
A kinetic artillery has, unmodified, a 70% chance to hit a cruiser vs the 75% chance to hit another battleship. Understand? A full battery of kinetic artillery completely fucks cruisers, this isn't conjecture or anything this is cold hard maths and hours of testing. The reason battleships aren't meta is because of pure cost efficiency and their inability to hit corvettes. Head to head 80 cruisers vs 40 battleships is a clear win for the battleships unless the cruisers get a warp in drop on the battleships and don't have to close the distance.

>>174420775
slow and steady is a bit too boring, cos it works TOO well.
Also xenophobic is meta now, dat border bonus

>>174421591
Didn't look at who you were quoting. The concept is just retarded. Unless you and mind controlling their sentience, after which I don't see the point in preserving their sentience, they would just kill those that remove them from their bodies.

>>174417346
I only played one game of Endless Legend, but damn these guys were broken as hell. I was so rich by midgame I could just buy an army whenever I wanted to.

>>174422332
>Head to head 80 cruisers vs 40 battleships is a clear win for the battleships
Not only do I doubt that (screenshots where?), no one ever said my fleet consists of 100% cruisers
I still use corvettes and destroyers, just not BBs

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>little respect for weaklings and pacifists
>are pacifists

>>174422281
>>174422281
>>174422281

>>174416843
>introduce this guy to Kumo desu ga
>now he's being an obnoxious avatarfag
Come ON mate

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>>174420638
>Americans are the evil aggressors
>USSR is acting in self-preservation

>>174421668
>Was going to say something but yeah you're being too obvious.
Dang it.

>>174421797
>Why do people keep thinking this shit? Without enigmatic encoders or precog computers a cruiser only has 5% dodge chance vs every L slot gun in the game. Cruisers drop like a sack of shit when battleships are firing on them.

Cruisers die in droves in every major engagement but somehow cruisers are the best ship in the game.

Stellaris DLC worth it?

or can it be modded to accomplish whatever new features would be added

>>174422964
Can't they get more damage and shield per mineral than battleships?

>>174423207
More damage per fleet cap, more importantly

>>174423097
I'd say it's worth it, it adds a lot of stuff.
But at the same time, it doesn't add enough to make the game really good, and it's unbalanced.

>>174423284
Not even that technically. It's that they can get more damage per fleet cap on EVERYTHING whereas battleships only get more damage per fleet cap vs cruisers and battleships. Basically a cruiser fleet can deal with literally everything whereas battleships can only deal with half of the ship classes in the game. The other issue is that you can generally afford 2.X cruisers for the price of a single battleships making them more cost efficient too.

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>left these guys alone since the start of the game since they are my only potential allies in the whole galaxy
>been nice to them
>they still don't want to form a defensive pact with me while everyone else is allying with each other
These guys land is is starting to look mighty tasty
and this is the 6th fucking time in a row where the game has given me little no potential allies
I am really starting to Hate Spiritualists

>>174422858
What did USSR, Afghan, Kosovo, Hussein, Gaddhafi, Asad or even Kim do to the burgers?

>muh liberate the people from ebil dictators
Check tgat Al Quaida and ISIS, you sure made all those places so much better

Did they fix a sector's surplus minerals/energy going to waste?
Like when the sector has full minerals/energy banks, does the whole production go to you or still only 75% tops?

>>174423906
The path to hell is paved with good intentions my friend

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Cool.

>find 3 size 20+ planets
>one for mines
>one for powerplants
>one for research labs
>cover homeworld in empire buildings and unity buildings
Does one need anything more to win the game?

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So, can I play this W I D E as fuck? It seems like it's going to take a while for others to reach me and I have all that space

>>174422448
You've never played Broken Lords right unless you've placed down a city and grew it above 25 pop in one turn

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>>174423994
I guess I'll go get the dreadnaught as well.

>>174423994
Artificial dragonscales are better.

Also, the curator tells you the original drake was the last of its kind and that the universe is poisonous to them. Every moment they live is suffering. Why would you bring a babby drake into that just for an extra weapons platform?

>>174423980
>implying they were good to begin with

>>174424130
>dragonscales are better
If the station is active long enough you can get em both so that's kinda a moot point really.

>>174423963
Who gives a shit? Are you really starved for those 25% of resources at that point?

>>174424212
Really? I always assumed it was one or the other. I've never got both.

>>174424130
What does it do?
>mfw I never use armor.
Kinda disappointed we don't have powered/shielded armor, too.

>>174424339
Depends on how big the sectors are, if they're big, 25%'s a lot.

>All the pops under me are happy because I'm a spiritualist/xenophile and set things up to be all nice and such. Plus most of these fucks were slaves so now they're all free.
>Their home empire still pretends like they don't want in on this.
Why isn't there an option to film a propaganda piece with their slutty women talking up your amazing freedoms? You could broadcast it at them and cause massive morale damage and unrest penalties.

>>174424354
Luck plays a part, as far as I'm aware while the station is active every so often it checks to see if the event triggers. Both have a low chance and it might even lower than chance of the one you didn't get after you do get one. But I've definitely had a couple of games where I got both. I'd go fish for the save but I don't know if it'll work now since it was pre 1.5

>>174424435
Getting 1/3 more resources from one sector no matter how big it is shouldn't matter when you get 500+ minerals

>>174424565
>stopping at 500+ minerals
Why.

Why the fug hiveminds can't go psionic/cyborg? Also, they purge all aliens in their borders or just on planets with primary species?

>>174424435
It doesn't do much. It's just ever-so-slightly better than neutronium.

It's all moot, anyway, since every single fucking weapon has massive armour/shield penetration values. You're probably right to not bother with armour.

Does the enigmatic fortress always spawn?

>>174424482
I'm about to do a xenophile militarist run
How do you deal with unrest when you conquer guys? Is it enough to be xenophile that they won't have unrest once the conquered modifier goes away?

>>174419667
It's a perfectly normal feeling, you only think it's weird because this game's mechanics were thought up by Swedes.

>>174424654
Cyborg wouldn't make sense for the hivemind. It would need flesh and the drones are replaceable anyway.

But it should have psionic. There shouldn't be any problem with the hivemind developing higher powers.

>>174424686

No. 3 leviathan type enemies per game. Get a mod to enable them all for one game, if you want.

Last game was fucking gay. Ether drake, Dimensional Horror (already had jumps :^)) and the dreadnaught. So disappointing.

>>174424624
I'm saying at that point getting 33% more from a sector doesn't matter anymore, obviously you're still gonna grow
Learn to fucking read

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>>174424513
>>174424354
Oh hey it actually worked. Incomes and stuff are all fucked to hell because of compatibility and shit but yeah. You can see the drake in my fleet list and the armor on my ships.

>>174424704
I stack buildings that reduce unrest, generally puts it down to a really low number.

>>174423097
Just pirate it. Literally the easiest thing in the world.

>>174424761
Why not enhance your drones with robotic parts? Or make robots for low habitability worlds.

>Slaver empire purges my species' pops from a planet they conquered from an ally.
>Nobody gives a shit.

>I conquer him.
>Everyone hates me.

>>174424810
>It's okay if 25% of my sector's minerals disappear.
>I'll use these phantom minerals to build more stuff!

>>174424890
Isn't it better to throw in some armies so you can keep tiles free for production

>>174424704

You can build assault and defense armies on planets to reduce unrest. Governors too.

>>174424947
Every planet generally has at least one blank tile you can do whatever with if you're not starving.

>>174424809
That can't be rgiht. On my last game I had the fort, the dimensional horror, the dreadnaught, the drake and loads of spectres. Also had the infinity sphere, if that counts.
Maybe it's tied to the size of the galaxy?

>>174424945
25% of one sector, no matter how big, will be dwarfed by your core system production. So yes, it is okay if they disappear

>>174424932
How would the hivemind control the robots?

Cyborg upgrades would maybe make sense, but isn't there a risk it would reduce the amount of control the mind has over its countless bodies?
Going synthetic would kill the mind.

>>174425027
You're allowed to build power plants or science labs even on tiles that don't produce anything naturally, you know

>>174424809
I got 5 in my game so far, Drake, Stellar, Dreadnaught, Infinity Machine and Dimensional Horror.
No mods.

>>174425145
they press some buttons

>>174425147
Are you starving?

>>174425145
Just because you're a hiveminded species doesn't mean the hivemind is your only way of interacting with the world
You can just have your drones build robots manually with their hands
Yes I know hivemind drones are basically robots already, but they're worse at getting minerals

>>174425048
It's not right, as you surmised it's a spawn chance tied to galaxy size.
huge map = 80% for each guardian type
large map = 64%
medium map = 48%
small map = 32%
tiny map = 16%

>>174425264
Just genemod your drones to make them super strong and industrious. Now they're better than robots.

>>174425145
Maybe limit hiveminds to first ascension perk. They build advanced factories and space structures, robots aren't that far from that.

>>174425261
You're lying if you pretend that you're not starved for research at all times, considering the bonkers research costs on late techs

>>174422252
Oh, I see
fucking tiles can only be modified by triggers or effects, scope has nothing to do with it
so if I wanted to make this thing I'd have to make a specific event tied to the spaceport module because there's no other way to add resources to tiles

>>174425383
I stacked research bonuses, I've basically got everything but a few.

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If I modify them, will I lose the Uplifted trait?

>>174422757
So wait, did it start on /indie/ or /civ4xg/?

What's the consensus on "special" weapons? Energy siphon, cloud lightning, amoebas?

>>174425457
How did you change the species name?

>>174425457
traits mod?

>>174425481
/civ4xg/, I used kumo as a deadweight off-topic topic to try and get through the late summer while waiting for Civ VI.

>>174425457
Just fucking save and find out for yourself

Does anyone ever waste their time or resources colonising worlds smaller than size 16?

>>174425518
Using a shitton of mods. Extended Traits, Additional Traits, Svafa Expanded Species Traits and More Trait Space (it fixes the UI when you try to genetic modify shit with too many traits). It looks bonkers when creating empire at the start, but it's doable.
>>174425504
You mean the Super-Sildor and Alien Trespasser? Came through an event, probably from mod (Extended Events or something)
>>174425552
wow rude

>>174425483
Amoebas are shit. Siphon is good if you get it early, think before t3 weapons. Its raw damage isn't amazing but 90% of ship defense early is in their shields, mining drone lasers are alright around the same time since they fuck up stations but they're less effective on ships. Cloud lightning is like a poor mans plasma and arc emitter bundled into one enormous disappointing piece of shit.

>>174425645
Border denial or when there's multiple planets in a system (Game calculates core limits based on systems)

>>174425645
>size 16
You are like little child! Make your species extremely adaptive and don't even look at planets under size 20

>>174425775
It may calculate core limits on system, but it calculates the massive research penalty per planet.
Also bigger planets more cost efficient in edict boosts.

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>>174418157
I'm not super sure about going authoritarian, I see them as more fanatical militarist/spiritualist with warrior culture

>>174425764
Well, that's disappointing. There should be way to upgrade on them, like regular weapons.

>>174426003
but they slew their gods because might makes right

>>174425748
I'm gonna have some fun with those now
I only had extended traits

>>174424064
>So, can I play this W I D E as fuck? It seems like it's going to take a while for others to reach me and I have all that space

Hell yes you can. Frankly wide is the best way.

>>174426092
>Frankly wide is the best way
Someone hasn't used habitats yet

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> be me, late game of my last playthrough
>decide since i have equivalent fleet power to an awakened empire and galactic contender i'd fight them
>"Greetings!"
>invade their space
>nobody comes
>keep invading their worlds and conquering them for warscore with my 250k stack and 30 synth rangers
>their fleet's fucking nowhere
>end up winning the war and taking their ringworlds + 25% of their territory because the AI is pants on head retarded
>mfw

On a side note I did end up fighting their fleet on the next war, 325k to 311k. Pretty close matchup but ended well.

>>174425645
>Does anyone ever waste their time or resources colonising worlds smaller than size 16?
I colonise EVERYTHING.

As long as you don't waste research on stupid shit then you will rarely be so far behind that you will get annhilated by another empire because of their tech.

And all you need to do is get lucky with one piece of debris and you can catapult multiple levels of important tech anyway.

>>174419990
>>174421045
Bump, come on guys what is your favorite ascension path

>>174426003
Yeah, I kinda doubt a full-on authoritarian culture would tolerate individuals taking the initialize and cutting down their immediate superiors because they think they are better suited to lead.

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>border is mysteriously misshapen
I WONDER WHAT COULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS VOID? I'll be mad if it's the xenophobes.

>>174426174
>Someone hasn't used habitats yet
In my last game I had a quarter of the galaxy and still built a dozen habitats when I unlocked it.

>>174426293
Bleh
*taking the initiative

>>174419990
>psi shit for the best shields
Not really. Their shields are no more powerful than enigmatic deflectors.

Psionic is best because it actually has content. There's stuff written for it. The other paths don't get much at all.

>>174426259
How are FE ringworlds? Do they have a section dedicated to each resource? How much shit do they produce?
Also, are FE species any different than regular once or can you enslave them just as easily?

>>174426061
yeah but they are still a very spiritual culture despite all that
>>174426293
spiritualist/militarist/authoritarian?

>>174426284
Synths / cyborgs. Cyborgs can still be gene modded and have great benefits, but synths are immortal with a little bit less. Psionics are also pretty good but too RNG based. Biology could be alot of fun but I've never tried it.

>>174426450
My post wasn't sarcasm. I agree that the Klingons aren't necessarily authoritarian.

>>174426374
It's a Paradox game, I couldn't care less about the writing. When I've seen an event text once I just skip it completely.
>>174426474
>Synths
Isn't it annoying to wait 30 month for them to build every damn time

>>174426383
FE ringworlds are ridiculously good. Each sector has a pretty good mix of resources though certain ones have specific themes(agrarian district has agri-processers, industrial as autonomous fabricators, etc.) All their buildings output more than a tier 5 station, and then some of they're happy.

I never enslaved them, but it seems FEs are like any other species and you can do whatever with them, which is nice because they never have negative traits so no gene modding required.

Is it viable just to draw a giant pocket in the galaxy with Frontier Outposts and then fill the inside?

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>it took 5 separate wars and a full century to finally beat the FE, all that's left is a single system empire they got, and even then they already have a 15k fleet within a few months

this is some fuckery

>>174426601
Sure, but it's nice because you can just fire them and forget. Fill up a world with pops and come back to it when you need to actually build infrastructure.

>>174426632
You know you can just colonize planets outside of your borders, right? It's very rare for the AI to actually snatch your goal planets from you during the expansion phase
Also no, you will never have enough influence for a "giant" pocket

>>174426632
it would, assuming you don't have CRIPPLING. INFLUENCE. ISSUES.

>>174426694
FEs get event fleets if they're below a certain number (I think 50k?), to offset the fact that they can't build any
Just fucking read up on them on the wiki instead of complaining about game mechanics everyone knows about

Anyone know if starports and defense bases count towards fleet power?

>>174417206
>abloo bloo he doesn't know which cancerous offshot of plebbit it is
>but I a true redditor can tell the difference

go back

>>174426880
>three hours later

>>174426880
>3 hours later
>still mad about it
You motherfucker needs Kumo in your life.

>>174425748
More Trait Space isn't in the mod repository, bummer

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>>174426752
*unsheathes election promises*

nothing personnel

>>174426737
The middle of the galaxy is empty and there isn't many planets that I can colonize in the middle, so I was thinking of just drawing a line with them so I get neat borders and get to mine everything inside this space

>>174426857
Starports do, and the higher level they are the more fleet power they give. Defense stations don't I think.

>>174426916
>>174426954
shoo

there's probably a spider subcategory for you to shit up instead of here

>>174426971
You retarded, son?
http://stellaris.smods.ru/archives/602

>>174427062

Interesting. I was wondering if my neighbors usually have "superior" fleet power over me since I don't usually build starports for a while.

>>174426916
Is it just me or is he SEETHING?

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>>174427037
Also, the first FE I met were these chill space elves, breddy calm.

Hopefully I'll get to invite them to the Federation once time comes not my federation, had to join it to liberate the Fanatic Purifier

>>174427089
Do you want your innards digested from the inside out?

>mechanist
>4 robot pops and -5% robot maintenance
>syncretic evolution
>4 non-founder pops and... nothing
Should syncretic get a 5% bonus to slave output, to bring it in line and make it add something long-term?

>>174427178
no I want you to leave

>>174427092
thanks

>>174427142
Yeah there's really no reason not to have a fully upgrades space port on every planet
Space ports and pops are the main thing for capacity
http://www.stellariswiki.com/Fleet#Naval_capacity

>>174427179

no? The syncretic slaves have Very Strong, which is 10% mineral output and 40% army damage. That's like 3 trait points you can use for something good on your main species.

Though, syncretic is shit anyway, since you have to resettle one to each new planet so they can breed.

>>174427142

Yeah, that tends to be the case for me too. I didn't actually know that was a factor until my last playthrough, and at that point I could just spam build them so I did. I wouldn't waste too much on it early game though, since naval cap without fleet power to back it up with useless.

OUR SACRED ARMS SHALL NOT WAVER

Question.
Giving Full AI rights can help prevent my robits from going full Dalek right?

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>>174427225

Oh, no, I knew about that m8. I meant fleet power as in the 'damage' numbers of the fleet and the starport. The 400 and the 992. Since they're both 'damage' numbers, I was wondering.

>>174427347
OUR FORCES ARE DWINDLING AND WE PULL BACK TO REGROUP

>>174427424
That's a damn good point, early on the numbers are so inaccurate that a space port could very well push them into "superior" territory
This game needs a fucking ledger

>>174427347
> OUR SACRED ARMS SHALL NOT WAVER

They say as the xenophobic FE from down the lane cleanses all their planets

>>174427560

Yeah, exactly why I was wonder. My neighbor has superior fleet power rating, but there's no way he has a huge fleet. Me on the other hand with 15 corvettes and one starport, it could be enough to bring him up.

>>174427670
>but there's no way he has a huge fleet
"Superior" is both not as bad as you seem to think it is and worse than you'd think
I've attacked "equal" enemies who had like 5k fleet power vs my 3k and I've also attacked "superior" enemies who had like 25k fleet vs my 20k and wiped them
Basically, the strenght comparison only exists to trick you and you should just be thinking about how many planets they have

>>174427092
>Last revision: 26 Oct at 12:26

>>174427171
>Peaceful-Xenophilic
>We great you as equals
>Egalitarian+what ever
>Hello, this is <retard> speaking
Why is this allowed?

Anyone tried that?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=738611313

I know it's not up to date, but maybe someone tried it before and know if it's shit or not.

So pacifists are the best at generating unity, right? But since they're pacifists, how do you use that unity to smash every enemy and conquer the entire galaxy?

>>174427997
Beef up some factions and go for an ethics shift. Change the name of your faction. RP it as a change in the national mindset.

>>174427997
They use power of their bodies to suck every alien cock, so they don't conquer them, and that's where the unity is needed - there's a lot to suck on, so everyone have to do their share.

>>174427878
Does F.Egalitarian say the same shit?

If I have multiple rally points, eg one at a planet and another to my main fleet. How do I tell newly built ships to go to which one I want?

>>174427997
"Liberate" enemies of their planets, and then vassalize and integrate the new nations that love you. Domination helps with that.

>>174428193
>go for an ethics shift
Wait, factions can actually do shit? How exactly do I make them change my government?

Woo, Habitats

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>>174428394
SHIT

>>174428256
Can you even liberate planets that are only filled with the enemy empire's main species?
>>174428394
Enjoy being OP as fuck

How do you convert pops to your ethics now? No ethics divergence so is it just a matter of keeping them happy?

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lets see how this goes

>>174428394
Habitats a shit.

>>174428728
>almost twice the fleet power
gee I wonder whether you will win
>>174428817
Do you hate the unity penalty that much?
>>174428694
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/64505h/ways_to_influence_ethics_in_15/

>>174428248
They prioritize fleets and whichever is closest. So if you have two fleet rally points they go to whichever fleet is closest and if you only have planet ones they go to the nearest planet.

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STUFF

>>174428913
>reddit
thanks senpai

jesus christ, i am sending ship after ship, but this fucking spacial monster(giant kaltor) shred them in SECONDS, WHAT THE FUCK I DO??

>>174429073
>hold ctrl to send 1000
Is that a mod? I tried holding ctrl once because i assumed that would be a feature and it only sent 100 anyway
>>174429097
Stop sending single ships?

>>174427995
Before Banks it was a must have mod. It added a lot more personality to empires thanks to the sheer number of ethics and government types.

If you're still running 1.4 then I highly recommend grabbing it.

A little border friction with a Xenophile FE won't hurt, will it?

>>174429192
Even if they awaken the worst they'll do is vassalize you

>>174429025
Thanks mate

>>174429192

Xenophobes are the only ones who care about settling near them, spiritualists if you settle on the named holy Gaias.

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evasion a shit, i maybe lost 1 or 2 bships against fe

>>174429392
>spiritualists if you settle on the named holy Gaias
They also become mad if you settle tomb worlds

>>174429474
>78% accuracy
What the fuck kind of ship designs are you using

Can the sector AI into robutts? If I go synthetic ascension and set every other species to purge, will the sector AI be able to build new synthetics on their planet or will it just do nothing?
Also, will it build a million farms because it freaks out with 0 food use?

>>174429532
yeah but that's anywhere on the map, not just specific ones

>>174429661
small medium ports of gauss/plasma/energy torps, and i think with only level 2 sensors, though idk how important tracking is against anything larger than a vette.

So how do I genetically modify one of my slave species to become mouthbreathing retarded cattle workers?

Also how do I purge singular planets without killing of the entire species?

>>174429889
Nerve stapling.

You deport them.

>>174429889
>do I genetically modify one of my slave species to become mouthbreathing retarded cattle workers

Click the species in the species tab, then modify. Then select which planet you want to modify. Best to only do this when you're minmaxing planets as the cost increases massively. So, 1 planet doing all mineral tiles -> make every pop industrious.

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>ultimate epic fail simulator
>the more people you spawn the dumber they get

nice """technology"""

>>174429889
>Also how do I purge singular planets without killing of the entire species?
You can't anymore, sorry
You can use the "displace" button to make them fuck off to their old empire though
>>174429829
Well to be fair the holy world also isn't always necessarily that close
I colonized a gaia planet once before I knew about a FE getting mad at it, and it was one spiral arm and like 15 system away from the FE

>>174430012
That's what happen when you allow morons to pretend they're scientists, the average IQ lowers.

I'm not even kidding, there's seriously a psychological effect saying that a crowd is easier to convince than a single individual.

>>174430012
It's supposed to represent how diffusing new technology across larger empires is more difficult. Up to you whether you buy that reasoning or not.

>>174430039

The gaia planet will always have a specific name and a modifier in its picture called "Holy World". The name is usually Prophet's Retreat and stuff like that.

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just fucking kill me

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>>174430127
not stellaris

>>174430142
Everything we're saying here is true but nothing of it really has to do with anything else. This is the weirdest conversation I've ever had
All I meant to say is that tomb worlds also make them mad, and then that the holy world isn't necessarily close because you said tomb worlds are anywhere on the map