/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>>174358309
Spiders out REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Bring it on

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>>174358487
Da fuck you just said, you little bitch?

>>174358492
>having that many ships over the limit while still making that much dosh with only 34 planets
What cheats are you using?

>>174358487
Ant fags gtfo

>>174358492
>34 systems
nice cheat

Domestic slaves are a nice idea but it's made awkward by having to resettle pops to make use of it.
Also, does it matter how many domestic slave pops you have on a planet?

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>>174358492
REEEE

>>174358492
You'll get fucked bruh.
They will take apart you fleet like this.

>>174358760
It would be better if you could set breeding policies per planet.

>>174358673
He isn't THAT far over the limit, it cuts of the 4th digit sometimes so his cap is actually 172X

Many anons talk about distant worlds, can i play tall in this game? i mean, play the trader, the manipulator, pay ppl to fight for me, have monopoly of resources and shieeeeeeeet?

>>174358757
>I want the computah to play the game instead of me

>>174358673
No need for cheats when you have synths, habitats and ring worlds.

>>174358760
One is enough

>>174358910
You can see the 4th digit below the first digit because Paradox are shit at UI.

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It feels so weird for a xenophobic FE to not hate you.

>>174358910
Oh I didn't realize that
>>174358973
But ring worlds just give you 4 "planets" with 25 tiles, don't they? I fail to see how you can focus on research, energy, AND minerals with only 34 planets

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>>174358781
Oh I'm ok.

>>174359069
Oh yeah I never noticed that. A UI mod fixes that problem easily though, it only happens because of the new unity and food incomes up there pushing it off anyway.

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>>174359125
As I said synths are pretty good. And I'm talking about those kind of ringworlds.
The ones you steal.

>>174358968
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>>174359423
Oh I see, didn't know they were that insane
So once I get to about 50k+ fleet power, should i steal some FE worlds?

>>174358968
Planets have finite and specialized resources so no, you can't

>>174359515
No because taking an FE world causes all FEs to awaken and with 50k fleet power you'll get stomped.

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>>174359125
Here's an example of one of my world. They all have high output.

What would be goods ethics and civics for a not meme Fourth Reich?

>>174359607
Whats the giant computer looking thing that gives 4 physics and 2 unity on the second row?

>>174359552
but they said i could

>>174359607
Okay so why do you get 15 energy on an empty tile with a power plant?
Maybe I should try becoming synths as well, I remember playing a robot empire mod at launch and it was insane

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>>174359725
A fuckhuge boost to your research.

>>174359706
Just remember the non-meme 4th reich is the EU and let that guide you.

>>174359824
Is that modded? Wiki doesn't mention it.

>>174359854
But there's no "inner turmoil" trait.

>>174358968
Yes. But it's hard work due to DWs diplomacy system being not that great.

If you want a tall game, you're probably better throwing all your scheckels into habitat research for a while and staking out an area while slowly backfilling it.
Then when you're done you can sell that tech for favours.

Alternately pick a handful of worlds to settle and vomit mining stations everywhere, and harrass other empires for trade agreements until they get sick of you and sign up.

>>174359552
>>174359785
Planets have thier own resources. And they are infinte, barring a rare random event that only occurs on colonised worlds that removes a resource as if it was depleted/mined out.
Remote mining stations are infinte forever. (or until they get trashed by kaltors or whatev.)

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>>174359791
Stacking boosts

>>174360000
How hard is it to become synths? I've had problems with ascension paths in general, the techs never show up before I have like 4 perk slots unlocked

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>xeno preserve fallen empire building gives a unit of food

>>174360124
Depends on your luck on the techs.
I depended on droids for a long time before the techs arrived and I could upgrade my entire pop, but I was like 50% droids up to that point and a few pop slaves.

Anyone got new about the launching of DW:U 2?

>>174360000
nice digits

Both for the post and the yields

>>174360207
Could you post budget to show income vs cost of your robutts?
Also in case it wasn't clear by all these questions: I am absolutely amazed by all this output after 180 years of game and aim to emulate it as soon as possible. I never realized synths were that overpowered and I honestly thought it's kinda annoying to manually have to build pops

>>174360124
Don't bother, just build synths and replace your population manually.

>>174359941
I have Fallen Empire expanded and Plentiful traditions affecting gameplay, others are Diverse Rooms and other graphics mods

>>174360394
Surely there must be some benefit to making your actual species synths as opposed to just building 100% robots? Less upkeep or something?
Otherwise I might just find that mod again and start a robot empire

Any chance they will rework the technology mechanic so it doesn't suck?

It just doesn't make sense for everything to be so slow

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>>174360379
>it's kinda annoying to manually have to build pops
No more annoying that Victoria 2 statist runs I guess.
I never played with sectors anyway so I have to upgrade every building myself, that's how I learned the game.
This you mean?

>someone thought dyson spheres needing 55 years to build was a good idea

>>174360757
Right so pop costs are basically a drop in the bucket
That's it, I'm never playing anything but robots again
>>174360685
You will keep increasing your tech gains linearly while the costs go up exponentially towards the endgame and you will fucking like it!
The bigger problem for me is the randomness, random techs can be great to get you to try different things instead of always using the same meta and can even differentiate species from one another (see Sword of the Stars) but it's just completely retarded to go 100 years and never even see a 600 cost tech that has been unlocked from the start

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>>174361065
Yeah, and they have insane boost to all productions.

>>174361227
>class-7 artificial intelligence
What's class 10? Human intelligence?

>>174361227
Is there a meaningful difference between just building synths everywhere and making your species into synths and building those everywhere?
Also, do your robots auto upgrade to synthetics when you unlock them?

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anyone else runs into this issue?
by having multiple traits mods, when you go genetic modify the UI is too small to accomodate for all traits, thus missing some

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>>174361424
>Is there a meaningful difference between just building synths everywhere and making your species into synths and building those everywhere?
No. As a result my empire has this situation.

>Also, do your robots auto upgrade to synthetics when you unlock them?
Yeah

>>174361557
"Chattel slavery"?

30 years into the game, I haven't had a single weapon tech choice.
Send help.

>>174361557
Aw, ascending to synthetic makes you lose your traits? I wanted intelligent robots for even more bonuses!
Are robots locked at 200% happiness as well?

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>>174361803
lmao

Is there several robots portraits???

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>>174361784
Yes. My original specy was repulsive, weak and intelligent.
They're locked at 200 habitability, but when you unlock sentient AI they behave (mostly) like normal pop. But as you can see I don't have hapiness issues

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>>174359169
Good thing the ancient dreadnought survived, I hate using that thing in battle because of how irreplaceable it is.

I also end up putting the nomad cruisers in a museum fleet because I don't want to lose those too.

>tfw want to play an weak, but long lived spiritualist specie who wants to achieve transcendancy and research going to war only to defend rights of the weak
>cant cause stellaris is war war war
fuck you paradox, you promised tall

>>174361981
mod only

>>174361981
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=681553348 There are in this mod but it probably doesn't work for 1.5
>>174362026
Did you wait with ascending until you had synthetics and until then only built robutts on mineral tiles?

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>>174362054
Yeah it dropped to 40% health at some point but it made it.
I do have an insane amiral though

>>174362226
Yes that's pretty much the plan.

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Does the Hestamur system in the upper right look close enough to that isolationist FE in purple near the middle?

Everyone in my empire has flocked to the spiritualist faction, and other than reforming my government to oligarchy and changing a civic to exalted priesthood or whatever it is, the only way I can get them over 60% is to colonize a Gaia world. Hestamur is the only Gaia world I've seen this game. Right now I basically have no influence gain but I need more colonies.

>>174362226
Actually, someone linked this in the comments
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=840030817
Might be cool

>>174361954
If you were born in space, on rotating space station somewhere in the asteroid belt, and then came to earth, would you feel the motion? Would it feel like the earth was constantly rumbling under your feet?

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>unbidden remnant constructing stations around my new expedition in a former FE territory to protect my pilgrims from expansionists
B A S E D

>>174362410
You could patron the artist enclave and pay 500 mineral for 50 influence every 2 years.

Do not do a festival of worlds, there's a 1 in 8 chance of they'll run off with 500 of your energy & minerals and never return your calls afterwards.

>>174362635
No
A spinning space station is built in such a way that the centrifugal force pushes downwards from the point of view of the astronaut, simulating gravity
Watch the 2001 scene where the guy jogs around

>>174362673
I am patronizing them. They're not giving me any influence, I just keep getting events where they weasel out of things by saying they have no inspiration.

>>174362673
>Do not do a festival of worlds, there's a 1 in 8 chance of they'll run off with 500 of your energy & minerals and never return your calls afterwards.
Gives you motivation to get the enclave destruction achievement.

>>174362635
You feel acceleration, not speed.

>>174362410
Hesstamur is within that FEs fuck off radius, I'd say you were pushing it close as it is.

>>174362782
But that would surely feel different from actual gravity?

>>174362961
No, force is force
You would feel more force on you if the space station simulated less force but you wouldn't feel like the earth was moving
>>174362909
This as well

>>174362673
>pay 500 mineral for 50 influence every 2 years.
That event is nowhere near that common. Often, I've renewed membership 2 or 3 times and still not had them make that offer.
They're worse at writing regular newsletters than my fucking general manager.

>>174362867
What really pisses me off about that event is once one artist enclave betrays you, none of them will talk to you again.

Makes me want to kill all the artist enclaves as retaliation. I actually liked patronizing them for the unity boost and the occasional events. Now they must all die.

Also I don't understand the logic of them stealing minerals and credits. Just means I'm not going to be tossing giant piles of credits at them every 10 years. AND it angers someone with a massive battlefleet. It's stupid.

>>174363085
Its out of place with how the other enclaves will never scam you.

About robots: Do they still only grow one at a time for no reason or will they build in parallel if you build them on different tiles?

>>174362961
It would, because gravity would be felt differently at different points of your body.
Unless it's like a ringworld, in which case it's too big to feel different.

>>174362959
I'm way off to the south of him, with two idiots to the north of me blocking him off. Hesstamur is reached by circling around two other Empires that are on my shitlist and soon to be conquered. Brustam belongs to some other idiots, and the fact that the FE isn't razing him to the ground is why I was wondering if Hesstamur could be potentially colonized at all.

>>174363178
One at a time.

>>174363294
So to build up a 25 tile world it takes 62.5 years? Good lord

>>174363085
>Makes me want to kill all the artist enclaves as retaliation. I actually liked patronizing them for the unity boost and the occasional events. Now they must all die.
What keeps you from doing so?

>War in Heaven
>galaxy divides between the AEs, with another chunk going non-AE federation
>stay neutral
>invade one of the AEs and force them to cede all of their planets
>gain total control of their entire dominion
>integrate all the subjects and rule half the galaxy
I promise to use this power responsibly.

>>174363273
It's an uncolonzied gaia planet next to two other empires, seems to me the reason they haven't colonized it because they'd get killed by the FE.

>>174363419
More like they did colonize it and were immediately told to cut that shit out

>>174363348
Not at all. Simply relocate one pop from each planet and build a new robot in the empty space on each of those planets.
Now you're producing your number of planets worth of robots all at the same time.

You do have loads of influence, right?

>>174363358
The hope that it's only temporary since I miss that 10% unity boost. That and I'm dealing with conquering a federation because the space dragon system was within their territory.

>>174363273
Theres a decent chance the FE has or is going to war with them over Brustam. But an uncolonised gaia world in such a busy region of space makes you a bit suspicious as to why the AI is avoiding it.

>>174363419
I don't think the AI actually identifies good planets from bad ones. (Though they might with the terraforming AI).
They don't colonize as quickly as they are able because obviously they'd blob way too hard.

They'd still consider it for colonization. They'd just be immediately forced to dismantle it.

>>174363537
I guess
Do you purge all pops so you can replace them with beep boop?

>>174363550
Its not temporary. Enjoy Paradox's magnificent design.

>>174363512
I've seen a FE go to war 4 times over the same gaia world being colonized by different empires. Probably something they should fix about the AI.

>he fell for the mastery of nature meme

>>174363419
Influence is too stupidly hard to gain for high authority empires, I swear. Everyone wants their open borders and refugees welcome and fucking civics that require me to enslave everyone or be an oligarch and fuck over my flavor/RP

I absolutely cannot WAIT until I can destroy that FE. He's nothing but a complete bastard in every way.

>>174363726
I go with the research bonus 90% of the time, but mastery of nature isn't bad.

>>174363726
>I'm gonna use this slot that is supposed to be for extremely powerful bonuses so I won't have to research a few extremely cheap techs and spend a few days clearing each planet when I colonize it!

>>174363778
You can get 100 influence with the "humiliate" war goal so that's something.

The democratic 250 influence every 10 years is overpowered though.

there is any 4x game who lets me bobmard the fuck out of my enemies planets i mean not colonize, DESTROY, WREAK HAVOC ON THE XENO SCUM!

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>the AI tries to jump you with his fleets
Poor lad

>>174363867
It's actually more valuable than that, but its value is weird.

It generally translates to you getting a free 500-1000 energy + minerals after a colony has grown to almost full.
Which is a pretty decent save.
Also the little bit of research obviously, but society research is cheap as fuck anyway.

>tfw no fertile and strong xeno gf

what's the most planets you can have without modding?

>>174364102
It's one of six slots that is supposed to be used for incredibly powerful permanent bonuses. Some of them allow you to build ring worlds or unlock genemodding or psi shit, man. How can 500-1000 minerals and energy even compete?

>>174363956
Aurora lets you give them some good old fashioned nuclear winter.

>>174364193
Core system tech is repeatable no? So infinite
If you don't wanna research the same tech for all eternity, I guess about 16 systems or so, can't tell you a number for planets since multi planet systems exist

>>174364162
You want a krogan gf?

>>174364213
Because your other choices are border range, extra sectors, research speed or ethics attraction.

>>174364213
Because depending on how wide you go that's 20k+ energy and minerals.

It's just a discrepancy between the paid meme ascensions and the more bland perks.

The tech speed one is mediocre as well. Fleet capacity is respectable in its bonus, but the value of fleet capacity is just an energy modifier at the end of the day, and not a large one.
The unity and ethos attraction seems as weak as ethos attraction seems to be right now.
The Border range is nice but it's like +30% or something. Which just feels really shit when you have a tech that gives +20% early in the game.

But yeah then you have habitats which are ludicrously good. And ring worlds which are too late to be really viable but still very good.
The other wonders are also shit.

>>174364401
>fertile
Don't tell me you cured the Genophage anon?

>>174364401
Say what you want, the snu-snu would be amazing

>>174364542
I'd take extra core systems any day, I'm stacking that shit sky high
>>174364547
>Because depending on how wide you go that's 20k+ energy and minerals.
Over the course of an entire game? It takes like 3 years to build up that many minerals in the end
>The Border range is nice but it's like +30% or something. Which just feels really shit when you have a tech that gives +20% early in the game.
>what is a multiplicative bonus

>>174364547
>Playing as the terran federation from starship troopers
>Have national zeal which gives plus 25% border range
>Get early game tech for another 20%
>Choose Ascension perk for another 20%

My border range is hilariously large

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>>174364162
>tfw no thicc sentinent robot gf

>>174364603
Krogans are bro-tier.

>>174364738
>I'd take extra core systems any day, I'm stacking that shit sky high
Doesn't make being able to clear blockers for free a bad perk.

>>174364603
Well even with the genophage they still have hundreds of children, it's just that 99% are stillborn.

Fertility only really refers to likelihood of conception, which isn't really mentioned with the Krogan. The genophage doesn't affect it, and it's unlikely to stand out as really easy, as it's more the clutch sizes than how many clutches they were laying that resulted in their population boom.
So just normal fertility.

>>174364738
Well it obviously sucks as a late game ascension, but so does nearly everything else is my point. Whereas the extra minerals early and mid can be a real boost.

I mean, I don't take it. But it isn't completely worthless.

It's an additive bonus though, isn't it?
Like it feels more because of the exponential increase to radius, but it feels way too low to be a multiplier.

>>174364827
Don't forget opening the warfare tradition tree.

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Never seen this one

>>174364948
In comparison it surely does
I'd take free tile blocker clearing if it didn't use up one of the 6 incredibly important slots, especially with how much damn work you have to put into traditions to get that shit
>>174365018
I'm only talking about what to take as your first ascension perk here, obviously you shouldn't even come close to considering it after #1

>>174364935
Okeer is the best Krogan though, and he doesn't give a fuck about the genophage's slaughter. Only its social effects.

>they waste a perk slot with something that's mildly useful in the first 50 years instead of picking others that'll help you all game long
I used to fall for Mastery of Nature memery, but no more. It's useful for only the first 5 or so colonies. After that, 100 energy/minerals (even less if you autistically swap a high level governor for decreased cost) is literally nothing.

>>174365037
>that mineral income
>that fleet cap
>that research output
Enjoy being a signatory.

>>174365123
There are numerous ways to increase core system count. Nothing else makes blockers free to remove.

>>174365037
It's fine, it just means that the Fallen Empire will now act like a real empire and try to annex everyone
It's called "awakened empire" if you wanna look it up. Get your butt ready and hope they only ask you for satellite status

>>174365037
It's like the general reality of all late stellaris games, unless you strategically assassinate all the FEs simultaneously before you get to the sweet-spot of fleet power that causes them to awaken.

>>174365037
>42K in fleet power
You did this. The FEs awaken if you go over 40k in fleet power in normal difficulty.

But you're economy is not ready for what is to come.

>>174365212
>There are numerous ways to increase core system count
And I'm stacking those as well
Good job comparing those peanuts in saved minerals to a repeatable tech that takes 200 months to research though
>>174365247
I like to think they put it in to make the endgame more interesting which they managed to do and to have someone who can fight the endgame crisis

Is there an MEIOU/DeathnTaxes overhaul of Stellaris yet?

>>174365174
nigga I could hyper-expand at any moment, just playing the pacifist-sedentary route.

>>174365394
>muh core systems
Literally only matters if you are an autist that must control everything. Free blocker removal is a hell of a lot more useful in the early game m8.

>>174365394
Yes, they're a positive addition, I'm mostly just saying that somebody having never seen it before is probably just somebody who hasn't gotten to the late game before, because otherwise they're in nearly every goddamn game.

>>174364547
>The Border range is nice but it's like +30% or something. Which just feels really shit when you have a tech that gives +20% early in the game.
Stack for +50%

>>174365037
How do I get that much navy capacity with 3 planets?

How can I change a modified species' name?

>>174360207
Does Droids stop your force limit from going up and your borders from expanding?

>>174365537
>early game
key point
like this guy said >>174365151 it's only useful for the first planets you colonize
meanwhile +2 planets, +border or heck, even the +10% research is much better all throughout the game.

>>174364738
>>what is a multiplicative bonus
It' not multiplicative, it's additive.

>>174365625
The more pop you have the higher it gets, I'm stacking habitats in my systems instead of colonizing planets, you don't get as much as you would normally but it's fine.

>>174365537
>>muh core systems
Hell yeah nigga, all day every day
>Literally only matters if you are an autist that must control everything
Sure, because having 10 planets sectored and 5 owned yourself will totally give you the same benefit as micromanaging all 15 yourself, right?
>>174365681
It's +5 actually, +2 is the civic

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Terraforming now kills the pre-sentients on it.

Oops. So much for that uplift potential.

>>174365758
Goddamnit I keep forgetting about the Utopia stations making you able to go reasonably tall
How long did it take before you could get them?
And why didn't you take ringworlds instead

>>174365681
100 energy and 100 minerals is not an insignificant investment in the early game.

>>174365774
>Sure, because having 10 planets sectored and 5 owned yourself will totally give you the same benefit as micromanaging all 15 yourself, right?
Will having 10 sectored systems cripple you? No.

>>174365998
early game with that shit growth will take decades to fill a planet unless you stupidly colonize those 12 tile blockers 2 free ones

>>174365998
Will it benefit you more than saving an inconsequential amount of resources on tile blockers? A thousand times yes

>>174365925
It takes fucking ages. In order to play tall you have to play wide.

>>174349448
Private sector
Trade
More resources than energy crystals and rocks
Better diplomacy
Thorough ship, base and station design
No stupid pop minigames
No mana
Useful defense stations
Fun endgame scenario
Sensible and fun FTL mechanics

>>174366079
Saving resources for early expansion and ships is always beneficial m8.

>>174365925
Ring worlds take even longer than habitats, cost a fucktonne and take 60 years to actually build

>>174365925
Ring worlds are tech after habitats.
You can build them simultaneously.

>>174365925
It doesn't take long you just need the deep space station tech + the voidborne ascendancy, I went habitats because they don't require you to expand as you can build them around any planted/gas giant in your same system (and core worlds have been transformed into core systems), they are cheap to build (5k minerals + 100 influence) and they are fast to build, ringworlds are cool as fuck but they take ages to build and something like 80k minerals and you can only build 1 each system so they go into the core system count.

On top of all of this the habitats give you retarded bonuses like 10+ base power plants and +4 research bonus on all disciplines.

99% of Stellaris feels boring to be honest holy shit this is most likely the best slavery simulator in space that I have played to date.

>Giant empire to the north of me
>Giant empire to the south of me
>both are "protective" of me
>I have two galaxy spirals to myself to research and settle

feels comfy

Feels comfy

>>174366189
Okay we need to stop just throwing our opinions at each other because this is legitimately interesting to me
Do you really not see the benefit of taking core sector systems as your first perk? It allows you to immediately colonize AT LEAST 5 more planets which is a staggering benefit in the early game, even if you just use the initial pop (from that one tradition that gives you a pop on colonization) or even wait for one pop to grow
Even just having 5 pops on different planets providing energy or minerals is a bigger benefit than the tileblockers in my opinion
And you keep harping on about the early game, why do you even wanna clear more than 2 or 3 tile blockers in the early game? Going core limit lets you colonize shit which pretty much immediately takes you out of the earlygame

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>>174365925
Earliest I got them is 2257 by minmaxing. You can build habitats relatively quickly while megastructures like ringworlds can only be built 1 section at a time and a full ringworld takes about 34-50 years depending if you have the master builder perk.

>>174366469
Are Spiral maps any fun? What about a 2k system spiral map with 20 Empires and 2 FEs?

>>174366590
Hyperspace only as well. Warp and Wormhole are fucking dogshit.

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I think I'm fucked lads, spend all my minerals on upgrading farms and covered by hostiles

>>174366560
What is the prerequisite for Voidborn? Master Expansion?

>>174366397
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>>174366243
>>174366560
Wait so basically the point of ring worlds is to replace a system with a completely new one that gets 4 size 25 planets while habitats can be spammed into every system you own for 12 tiles every time?
>>174366469
How do you even find two big empires? Advanced starts?
>>174366590
Dunno about bigger maps but spirals are fun because they have some actual geography to them and you have very distinct expansion directions
And if you go wormhole you can troll everyone by jumping across arms

>>174366560
>he didn't take Mastery of Nature
lel what a scrub

>>174366760
>And if you go wormhole you can troll everyone by jumping across arms
I don't even know how wormholes work do you have to spend minerals to build wormholes?

>>174366152
the only sad part is no creation of race, i wish i could play a robot who conquer galaxy and self improve

>>174366506
You really seem to think using sectors will just cripple you. You are clearly basing your argument on a flawed premise.

>>174365852
Were you expecting them to survive? You're radically changing the entire environment that they depend on.

>>174366847
75 minerals for each station.

>>174366847
You build a wormhole station and it allows you to jump to any system in its range from it or from any system in its range to it
Absolutely amazing at traversing your empire in a couple of months

>>174366760
habitats are a million times stronger than ring worlds, yes
but you can build habitats simultaneously with any other megastructure

>>174365648
Is it impossible? I didn't see a field to do it.

>>174366942
Early on? They definitely fucking will
You have to make a balancing act between how many resources they give you vs. how many resources they keep so either you're not getting the full benefit or they're building up slower than you'd like
Meanwhile I'm sitting here with 13+ core limit and only start sectoring shit when I conquer fully developed planets

>>174366892
Hopefully the creators got that memo for DW2 which is currently being worked on

>>174366734
Battleships + Space Fortress, both tier 3 engineer techs. Having a voidcraft specialist engineer researcher makes it much more likely to get those techs early.

Ringworlds requires Battleships + Space Fortress + Zero Point Power (physics) tech.

>>174366760
Yep, can build 4 habitats in Deneb for example. They produce a lot of science or energy, mediocre at everything else.

>>174366970
It gets bad when your fleet reaches such a size that it takes a month for each individual jump, though.
Response time to invasions gets bad.

>>174367186
>>174367065
Well I'm gonna go for voidborne, stop there, and rather put my perks into becoming a Psi god or maybe robots
Fucking Utopia man

>>174367120
By not getting the free tile blocker removal you are slowing yourself down in the early and will expand slower. There is a reason so many people think it will get nerfed.

>>174367184
currently being worked, but there is no news, i wish they would say how they are doing, my fear is that they get overwhelmed and give up.

>>174367241
Yeah you really can't stop the hyperlane fucks from killing all your mining stations but god help them if you declare an offensive war
>sup guys I'm at your home world already
>>174367365
What the fuck do you think the early game is? Do you really think I can't afford to clear a damn tile when I'm already at 10+ pops on my home world?

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How important is Unity as a resource? Should I be building those Unity buildings? Playing as a hivemind.

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>>174367502
That huy has the right idea.

Brb, gonna roleplay a bunch of naked amazons hungry for dicks.

>>174367472
>What the fuck do you think the early game is? Do you really think I can't afford to clear a damn tile when I'm already at 10+ pops on my home world?
By spending resources you would otherwise not have to you are objectively slowing yourself down retard. Not to mention the 2-3 years of research you are saving yourself.

>>174367502
That's what gets you dem sweet perks, if you're not cheating as a pacifist xenophobe with Agrarian Idyll & Inwards Perfection. I usually build 1 per planet at least.

Wait, how am I suppose to play tall without the Utopia DLC?

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>>174365037

I mean I already wiped out 2 entire 60k+ fleets of the other FE but I don't think I can deal with this fug :DD

>>174367434
The whole dev team is two people and the said they were not going to release any information until they were further along and had a clearer objective

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Is there an activator for Stellaris? Copying the DLC files in didn't automatically appear in the launcher this time.

>>174367824
You think maybe now it's time for that rapid hyperexpansion or whatever you called it?

>>174367653
>you are objectively slowing yourself down retard
Yeah, because you are comparing it to the pace of having no perk at all
In actuality, I am already 5 fucking planets ahead of the curve, but you go ahead and enjoy not having to pay 100 minerals
That's almost an entire ship!

>>174367819
I don't think you can.

>>174367824
Build like 20k more of ships and you'll be mostly OK.

I've got a question: what's the point of the food stockpile? It doesn't make your population grow any faster, does it?

>>174368073
It actually does, very slightly
I think between 200 and 5000 stockpile I got like a 10% increase

>>174368067
>find a size 18 planet of your type
>12 tiles blockers
>w-well at least I can have more systems than you faggot!

>>174368073
>I don't think you can.

For fucks sake

>>174367843
cant they hire more ppl? i bet this game sold well

>>174368073
anything extra makes your pops grow faster than 1 point per month
it doesn't really scale well, though, unless you're constantly increasing the food surplus.

>>174368329
You can't even clear a single tile by the time you have grown 6 pops? Remember that I have 5 more planets as well, so that's 30 pops
30 fucking pops difference at the point where you want to clear the tile

>>174368371
Just pirate the game with the dlc or pirate the dlc with the original game though I don't really trust creamAPI so I just downloaded the whole game + all DLCs pirated.

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>>174365464
how is there no decent overhaul mod for Stellaris yet?

>>174365464
Alphamod

protip: it's shit

>>174368513
Oh also
>colonizing size 18 planets
How basic can you even get?

>>174368439
Yeah but I mean like between having 200 and 5000 food stored, it didn't seem like the 4800 extra stored food made a big difference in pop growth.

Having more left over after you've filled the stockpiles definitely has an obvious effect.

>>174368513
I didn't know the perk gave you colonized planets! AMAZING!

>>174368619
Yeah, it adds way too many completely pointless resources.

Although, if that other guy likes MEIOU&Taxes, that garbage is probably right up his alley.

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>>174367847
Anyone know?

Is it possible to play a peaceful religious civilization that "converts" other civs into your control through immigration and such in Stellaris?

>>174368725
They were great overhauls in EU3, wtf you talkin' about

>>174368695
Enjoy your 50% income on those sector planets
I'm working on a mod that for a new ascension perk, it will give you one more pop on a single planet. That should be right up your alley

>>174368687
the number stored doesn't do anything. bigger storages are just better in case the enemy fucks your shit up and you end up with negative growth

the positive surplus is the one that makes your pops grow faster

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>playing F.Militarist + Xenophile humans
>meet these guys
Well shit

>>174368842
75% actually. Enjoy your increased tech and unity costs.

>>174368789
I don't think you can pirate just the DLCs, can you? You need the Steam API crack which means you cannot play your Steam copy with pirated DLC, the way you can with CK2
>>174368847
No, you get growth from the number in your surplus
The drawback is that while you are building up to 5000, all your pops grow at 1.0 per month

>>174368983
stop spewing bullshit

pirate the DLCs and use CreamAPI crack on steam base game. Problem solved

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>>174368983
Previously you could just copy the files in and they'd work. Other Paradox titles had an "activator" exe that added the DLCs. Just wondering if someone had found a way to get it done for Stellaris.

>>174368947
Wow 75% income? That's so much. And you're totally not slowing yourself down with your sectors not having enough resources to upgrade
>Enjoy your increased tech and unity costs
Yeah man my 5 planets wth pops on them magically give larger penalties than your 5 ones, because sectors clearly remove them

>>174368983
Dang, can't play with the original game either.

I guess you can't play a comfy tall game without most of the DLC as well, unlike CK2 (pre-ROI merchant republics were GOAT)

>>174369163
>know you are wrong
>keep reframing the argument
top kek

>>174369268
I modded the tradeposts in my game to give the old numbers of retinues so my custom republic games are just as great as they were back in whatever DLC made them playable

>>174369320
You're the one who brought up unity and tech penalties for no reason, because you don't seem to understand sectors still count against those
It's okay to just stop posting anon, every argument from you has made it abundantly clear you don't have a firm grasp on the game mechanics yet

>>174369268
Do you have the base game on Steam?
Then pirate the DLC. Drop them in the /dlc folder (create one if you don't have)

Then download the cracks. The ones you want are the CreamAPI dlls and steamapidlls. Drop them on base folder. Replace.
Open game on steam, tick DLC, enjoy.

And stop being a tech illiterate in fucking 2017

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>>174369573
Thanks lad, do I have to torrent the DLC or do we have a mega link?

>>174369536
You're the one that said you'd have 5 more planet than me. That would mean significantly higher tech and unity costs for you. If it's 5 planets each I would have spent less on them and would most likely have the larger fleet.

>>174361557
Is the portrait from a mod or vanilla?

>>174369756
Ah yes, getting 75% of the income of less upgraded planets (because the sector doesn't have enough resources to upgrade as much) allows you to have a larger fleet somehow

>>174369710
use google you fucking newfag

stellaris shakturi invasion mod when

>>174369887
no you fucking tell me cunt

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>>174369710
lmao how mad does a guy need to be to make an image like that

>>174369870
Those 100s of minerals I saved certainly would. Alternatively
>play pacifists
>we each have 5 core systems

>>174370007
It's an edited /gsg/ about removing kebab.

>>174370007
original image was from /gsg/, one of the most autistic threads ever

>>174370047
Haha holy shit, now you're completely changing your ethos (while apparently disallowing me from doing the same) just to even have a chance of being equal with my superior perk choice? That's just pathetic
>Those 100s of minerals I saved
Except we were talking about the point where you have grown just enough pops to need your first tile blocker cleared
It's okay to not be able to follow a very simple debate anon, it's hard to defend a losing point by throwing up more and more smokescreens

>>174370112
>>174370116
Post original

Tachyon Lances? Focused Arc Emitters? Choices choices, what do I do, /vg/?

>>174370267
Post both - the German one and the South Afrikums one.

>>174370297
Kinetic Artillery + Plasma cannon

>>174370216
>changed ethos
>never said what my ethos were
kek

You are blatantly shitposting now.

>>174368847
>the number stored doesn't do anything. bigger storages are just better in case the enemy fucks your shit up and you end up with negative growth
I go out of my way to make sure every planet and orbital habitat is producing a surplus of food. Don't want a First League situation where a breakdown in food transport results in the collapse of civilization.

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>>174370349

>>174370572
I must admit the originals were funny the first times.

>>174370445
You said alternatively, which means it is an alternative to what you would really be playing
Accusing me of shitposting for pointing out your zigzagging around the central issue won't make me any less right, you know
By the way, you just willingly went from semi-rationally comparing perk choices (albeit with some stupid comparisons thrown in that have nothing to do with anything) to comparing completely different ethics now. You're not even intelligent enough to assume all other modifiers being the same when comparing what perk choice is better

>>174370572
It's even funnier if you spend a week on /gsg/ and realise that 75% of people are playing Prussia, 15% are playing South Africa and the remainder are playing the Byzantines.

>>174370445
Nothing to do with this conversation but I want you both to stfu. More core systems is objectively, mathematically, the better option.

It doesn't matter though. This game is easy so pick whatever you like to RP.

>>174370673
>haha i have 5 more systems than you!
>n-no wait we have the same number of system!
lel

>perk choices are decided in a vacuum
Literally retarded. I'm done.

>>174370738
>the remainder are playing the Byzantines.
It's sad so few of us want to play the Roman Empire...

>>174370738
To be fair Prussia/Germany runs on EU4, HoI3 and V2 are fun as fuck.

>>174370942
It's a very difficult start that depends largely on luck/autism in EU4. In CK2 it looks like it is too easy if you are blobbing.

>>174370979
No doubt (though I prefer Austria to HRE myself in EU4) but there are a metric fuckton of Prussia games in /gsg/

>>174370917
You have the same number of planets, but most of yours are in a sector
I get that it's hard trying to understand the difference between owning a planet yourself and having it in a sector, especially since you showed that you don't know sector pops count towards tech and unity penalties
>>174370853
Yeah I'm done, I've given him the correct information and it is up to him to accept it instead of continually shitposting

>>174370979
Just to add, I came here expecting to see a million variations of "Imperium of Hitler" Stellaris games.

>>174369932
>>174369932
>>174369932
son

>>174371086
There are tons of games like that because its fun.
Just like 90% of this thread are Fanatic Purifiers purging xenos.
The problem is that this gets old fast, and you start to resent that shit because it's always the same content being posted over and over.
Then some autists start being vocal about that instead of just ignoring. Then others even more autistic start doing it ironically. And thus images like >>174370572 are born, and you devolve into a general made only for shitposting. It's why I left that place.

>>174371148
Militarist xenophobes are pretty great but it's much more fun to be some kind of horrific space alien than muh humans purging everyone
>>174371230
I would play fanatic purifiers or hive mind 100% of the time if rebuilding population after purges didn't take so fucking long

>>174371148
>what are all the fanatic purifiers runs

>>174370853
Nope. Both are situational. Neither is a bad choice though.

>>174371230
>It's why I left that place.
Yeah, it's not a nice place to discuss strategy games, that's for sure.

Is it Stellaris you are playing? How are you finding it compared to Paradox other stuff (anyone else can answer this as well, I like to hear opinions). Post the Empire you are playing as.

>>174371375
mid/late game I always regret picking Memery of Nature, though. You're swimming in so much resources that it becomes trivial to remove blockers. On the other hand, unity is hard to come by and the perks take longer and longer to get.

>>174371148
Does it count if I'm doing it as space elves rather than humans?

>>174371425
I am autismal enough to only ever blob in Paradox games (literally, I've spent hundreds of hours in all games just map painting, never RPing or setting goals to become a regional power) but somehow it is less interesting in Stellaris
I guess it's because of the symmetric starts that every game always feels the same. I should probably look into mods to shake things up a bit with different FE types and such

>>174371517
Not at all. Spiritual Xenophobe Eldar motherfuckers?

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i don't know how to write

think this will be fun?

>>174371570
>I should probably look into mods to shake things up a bit with different FE types and such
Do it. It takes a bit of time to find the good ones but it's worth it.

>>174371481
Playing a tall you'd will get more out of mastery of nature. The only time you benefit more from more core systems is going wide.

>>174371425
I lurked here for a long time after I discovered Civ. Played IV and V (didn't play VI yet, though). Then moved on to Endless Legend. Gave Stellaris a try when it came out. Albeit fun, got old fast. Came back for Utopia. More fun, but still mind numbingly boring when not at war. Just like all fucking Paradox titles. The only good thing about them is war. Diplomacy and economy is literal facebook-tier timesink.

I find the most fun in those games, including Stellaris, is limiting yourself by RPing. Blobbing all over and painting the map your colors by minmaxing and abusing the AI is fun the first few times, but gets old really fast. And ingrains it in you so that it becomes harder to limit yourself with all the knowledge.

>>174371631
>5 traits
>agrarian idyll
>inwards perfection
Enjoy easy mode

>>174371631
You know, if it was an all-consuming nature, you'd really think they wouldn't stop themselves from just conquering planets and eating the other species

>>174371591
Aye.
Not really inspired by the Eldar but you could make the comparison.

>>174371663
>Stellaris
>playing tall
let's all be honest here, this is just limiting yourself.

>>174371663
Well that was some really sloppy editing.

mastery of nature is fucking shit because terraforming clears the all the tile blockers anyways.

top tier:
research
extra core (undisputed best 1st perk if you're not pacifist)
ethic attraction and unity

ok tier:
border range
naval capacity

bad tier:
happy edict
extra damage against FE
extra damage against crisis

absolute shit tier:
mastery of nature

>>174371779
the whole game is ez mode desu

>>174371631
>expands in all directions
>fanatic pacifist
>inwards perfection
>weak
0/10 apply yourself

>>174371928
thats like super ez mode though

>>174371925
>happy edict
Which one that?

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>>174371148

I use my Divine Trump Empire for those kinds of games

>>174371859
Nah. Habitats and everyone likes you more. Going wide means war and pissing people off. Which in turn drives people in to pacts and federations.

>>174372010
Consecrated Worlds - Unlocks Edict: Consecrated Worlds, which lasts for 100 years and increases Pop Happiness, Unity and reduces growth time.
Requires Spiritualist or Fanatic Fanatic Spiritualist.

>>174371779
Why is that ezmode? Unity is great and all but do you reall benefit THAT much from having more traditions? I'd rather take something that increases my research and instead be limited to 4 or so ascension perks unless I play for ages

>>174372010
Propaganda broadcasts

>>174372084
Ah.
Always been tempted to take it for RP purposes but I'm not that far down that particular hole.

if you play earth will commonwealth of man always show up and vice versa?
are there any unique events between the two?

>>174372108

>do you really benefit from being able to beeline to the overpowered and broken science tradition really fast so you can finish the tech tree in 75 years

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>>174372051
>Win a long and brutal war with someone larger than you, end up winning and almost doubling in size
>The notification bar lights the fuck up with federation and defensive pact messages
Nothing feels better

>>174372108
early +% research is shit because you make so few points.
it starts picking up once you break 100 research points/month.
it's mostly a mid/late game bonus, just like memery of nature is an early one.

>>174372207
That's a massive exaggeration and you know it
I can beeline that tradition without any unity bonuses and have the same effect
>>174372290
Right yeah, I keep forgetting that you're allowed to change civics

>>174372208
Creating a federation that shits on the assholes of the galaxy is pretty nice too.

>>174369710
REFUGEES NOT WELCOME
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

Can you see an enemy's ship loadout before going to war?

>>174372207
how's it beelining? i picked them purely to counter rapid expansion

>>174372614
spy on them with a ship before declaring war or build a sentry array

>>174372614
No
You can't see their size either, except for the "equivalent" thing
It's kind of ridiculous that Paradox took Magna Mundi design philosophies to heart after they threw Ubik into a mental hospital
>>174372208
>federation declares war on me
>kill every single member's fleet in a 1:1 battle because AI can't into strategy

>>174366152
>""""""""""Useful"""""""""""" defense stations
>"""""""""Sensible"""""""""""" and (((((((FUN)))))))) FTL mechanics

>>174372201
anyone?

>>174365464

Cant overhaul something that isnt finished yet.

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Recommend me a Stellaris set-up, guys.

I just finished a military-ish Hice Mind that had the unbidden spawn in my home sector and fuck me over.

I'd like to try something that doesn't murder everybody to succeed.

Thoughts?

>>174372887
Anything but militarist blobbing everywhere is boring, sorry

>>174372961
I counter this by saying wars are extremely boring so you're factually false.

>>174372887
Go pacifist and create the united federation of planets.

Any mods that guarantee Cybrex precursors spawning next to you? I want one game where I get this for once.

>>174369710
I must admit I did the same fucking shit in my first run.

Glad I'm an federation builder, refugee welcoming, cock-chocking citizen of the galaxy.

How much fleet power (running with plasma weapons) do I usually need to take on a FE? I really really want to colonize their holy world

>>174373154
The one I use is "more starting systems "
one of the staring systems makes you start in a destroyed ring world ( only 1 section ) and the systems are full of tomb works as if a FE that got badly raped in the past and you a pet from their zoo evolved in what was left

it makes you get the cybrex as precursor event

i'm poisitive that there must be a standalone mod that gives you the cybrex quest but i dont know it

>50 years later
>still no targeted meme expressions up for research

>>174373475
If they aren't awakened, 50-80k

I'm so fucking bad at sterallis its unreal. Everytime my 1k stack fights their 1k stack I lose. What do I do wrong? I mixed missiles with ballistics

>>174373475

they have two stacks of around 34kto 55k
you need plasma but also neutron torps for their tier 5 shields and repeatable +shield hit points tech , AND pd to not get obliterated by their strike craft

>>174373597
I thought being awakened just took the FE and changed their AI so they suddenly like spreading throughout the entire galaxy
Does it make their fleets stronger?
>>174373652
Yeah obviously I have some PD ships, will keep in mind to put in some anti shield specialists which will probably also help me in the rest of the lategame

What's the point of the different types of stars? I guess it makes the map look a little nicer, but I just don't see much of a point. They're all way too similar or very minor differences.

>>174373635
shields are better than armor
Anything is better than missiles
the combat computers are a big boost, and having a good admiral makes a big difference as well.

>>174373718
Fallen Empires can't build any more ships.
Awakened Empires do. They do so quickly.

>>174373559
That's whining on a high level, I haven't even seen gene tailoring as a research option in my last 4 games

>>174373737
Would you rather look at a bunch of yellow balls?

>>174373806
I usually take unyielding if there is no combat bonus option.

Should I go with ballistics only instead of missiles then?

>>174373910

Never use missiles, they are shit/10 for a variety of reasons. When it's early game lasers are the way to go.

>>174373910
Generally yes because missiles are really really hard-countered by point defense
That won't matter this early in the game but it's still a good idea to not even try to go down that path
How badly do you lose? If you still destroy most of their fleet, that means there is most likely a tiny difference in tech
Remember you can looka t their ship designs while in battle as well

Is there any reason not to turn corvettes into torpedo boats?

>>174373910
Yes, ballistics(particularly autocannons) are the best weapon in the game until high tier plasma when you're fighting like fifty battleships at once.

How do you guys run your habitats? All energy, and phase out all power plants on planets?
>>174373854
>That's whining on a high level
You need it for the second gene ascendancy perk.

>>174374064
It isn't just point defense.
The other main detriment to using missiles is that the projectiles are slow.
Which means you waste a ton of dps on overkills.

>>174374085
>until high tier plasma
Weapon tiers always make less of a difference than you think (except kinetic artillery compared to whatever the shitty thing before it is)
You should switch to plasma as soon as it becomes available even if it's tier 1
Every time I upgrade my fleet to a higher weapon tier I am underwhelmed by the damage increase
>>174374190
Yeah and I couldn't even get the first one in my last 4 games, so quit your whining

>>174372887

Star empire of only 3-5 systems and vassalizing everyone else in the galaxy.

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>>174371631
>prioritize neighbor's planet type instead of your own
best aggression
10/10 playthrough

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>>174374064
By a lot actually.

>>174373652
Awakened always use Missiles and Shields?
So my Gauss Rifle and Giga Cannon spam ar suboptimal against FE compared to going PD, Torps and Plasma?

is commonwealth of man guaranteed to spawn if you play UNE?

>>174374493
Hope you still have that window open, hover over the kinetic damage number on both sides and tell us what they are made up of

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>4 way war with two Awakened Empires with their vassals vs one Xenophobe FE vs the remaining empires in federation
>Two fucking Unbidden are making a new space hole for rest of galaxy
>I'm in middle of it all as Fanatic pacifist empire that everyone hates

C-cant we just live in peace guys?

>see this thread
>wants to play some DW:U
>1 AM already
>I know I'll spend my night on it if I try to play it now

>Fertile Leader
>Govenor with Agrarian background
>Agrarian Idyil

Do I become the breadbasket of the galaxy now? Going to bribe people with food as friendly cabbage people

>>174374286
Well, the high tier part is a noticeable but not all-important feature.
The main point is that you only switch to plasma when effective hp after considering armor is higher than shield hp. Typically this is only the case in the late game. At which point you probably have the highest tier plasma anyway.

>>174374550
Shields yes, missiles I don't think so. Strike craft definitely, so you still want PD and you especially want it to be flak.

>>174374623
>>174374493
Also clearly your missiles are underperforming, replace them with kinetic weapons on all of your ships
Ideally you'd go with energy weapons on everything if you have them researched

>>174374635

be happy that the inter space aaays just purge and dont destroy the planets

the trans galactic ants will make half the galaxy sterile

>start huge galaxy
>only 2 AI empires
>11 science ships are exploring the great unknown
>by some miracle of generation found 3 destroyed ringworlds already
>searching for some pre-FTL guys to uplift but nothing
>no contant with the AI empires either

Its getting really eerie here. All this galaxy full of ruins but no sentient life anywhere. Hope this isnt our timeline

>>174374732

I have tried using food in trade , asking for minerals or energy

it never works , but it makes fine gifting material if you want to increase their affinity towards you

Did paradog just forget to put diplomacy in the game?

>>174374493
Consider also that once you start losing a battle you will lose it exponentially harder as they gain an advantage. There are not tactics or dice-rolls to RNG out you of a bad start to the battle. Retreating ASAP is important when you're losing, unless you have a specific strategic reason to cause as much damage as you can as quickly as you can or otherwise hold the enemy fleet in place.

>>174374623
We both use small coilguns but his do a lot more damage.

>>174374735
Honestly, even midgame or early game (is 5k fleet power still early game?) I'd take plasma any day because of the range if nothing else

>>174374887
More of a conscious decision than poor memory. But yeah.

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>>174374887
No.

It'll be $19.99

>>174374905
What is your actual ship design? How many damn missiles are you using to overkill these corvettes?

>>174374996
Plasma only has 50% more range than Autocannons and actually less range than vanilla kinetics.

>>174369808
Animated Synthethic Portraits mod

>>174375108
My army is half/half 2 different corvette classes: one with ballistics only and one with 2 rockets and 1 ballistic weapon.

>>174375179
1.5x range is huge and kinetics are shit in general
I will admit though that I rarely fight corvette only battles

>>174374887
Bet $10 that next DLC is going to be about that

How viable is it to start with talented + meritocracy and constantly build science ships for anomalies?

>>174375406
Only when the initial value is high to begin with. 1.5x 40 range is very little free damage before they get in range.

>>174375464
You only want to spam science ships with the discovery tradition.
At that point you do not need any boost to leader levels or science costs or anything. What you start with is enough.

>>174375464
>constantly build science ships for anomalies?
What?