/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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What the fuck is going on with this weird noodly border.

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thicc synths are the future

>>174106790
That's what happens when you colonize outside of your borders.

spiders out

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I'm trying to create a few empires to force spawn into the game that should ideally become the big federation.
In terms of ethics I'm trying to create:
One F. Egalitarian/Xenophile
One F. Egalitarian/Materialist
One F. Egalitarian/Militarist
One F. Egalitarian/Spiritualist
One F. Materialist/Egalitarian
One F. Xenophile/Egalitarian
The United Nations of Earth so another F. Egalitarian/Xenophile

Is this diverse enough and is there any reason they'd be unlikely to join together? I know the materialists might not like the spiritualist but I'm hoping sharing egalitarianism as well as "allied to allies" and other bonuses like that would counter that.

>>174106836
Explain further

I wish you could ping enemy systems so that your war allies will send their fleets there.

Maybe lose relations with them if it goes horribly wrong for them or something, and gain if you jump in with them and win a decisive victory.

Can't wait for diplomacy DLC

>tfw dow 3 'beta' in a week
excited, since I loved the closed beta, as well as basically everyone else that played it.

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>>174106864
spiders in

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>spider in the OP
So can I finally talk about Swarm Assault?

Making a human crusader empire. Should I go for fanatic militarist or fanatic spiritualist?

What is best authority?

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>>174106930

>>174107098
It doesn't matter outside of diplomacy really.

i own the base game and pirated the DLC how do i activate it?

Are Sectors ok now?
Is it worth it to take options to have more core systems?

>>174107647
No.
Yes.

What's the most redpilled fleet composition for Stellaris?

My fleets almost always compose of a majority of corvettes, about 60% and the rest are 20% destroyers, 10% cruiser 10% battleship

>>174106930
>should ideally become the big federation
Thats a fucking brilliant idea. I didnt even think about forcing in reliable allies and enemies who would group up. You could set up a massive two sided war that way.

Also, putting charismatic on them should help them get together

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>>174107647
>sectors
>good

>>174107092

Militaristic and Xenophobic. Either go fanatical into one or throw something else in there.

What's the most fun playthrough you have done so far in Stellaris?

>>174107647
/civ4xg/ keeps shitting on it but iv had no issues at all

They spend their resources on whatever I set them to spend it on.

>>174107751
Fuck off underage

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>>174106696
NO MORE SPIDERS

What's the best difficulty to play on?

>>174107898
I'm 20 years old

But what does that have to do with my original question?

>>174107780
I'm giving charismatic to the F. Egalitarians/Xenophiles and the F. Xenophiles/ Egalitarians
I'm not giving it to all of them as I don't want them to all be rough clones of one another.

After these guys I'm going to set up a few Empires to be the "rogue states" including my own.

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>conquer a planet from an AI
>this is what it has
FUCKING SHITTER AI

>>174107647
Sectors are perfectly fine as long as you place every building down first and don't allow replacing.

Mastery over nature helps a lot to instagib those tile blockers and thus get your 25 building queue lined up before dropping it into sector governor limbo.

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r8 my roman empire

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this is gonna get wacky

>>174108252
Needs more spiders.

>>174108252
>romans are a separate species

>>174108252
>Planet Rome

This made me laugh more than it should have.

>>174108030
>>>/out/

>>174108252
>planet Rome
>not Marble Zone
0/10.

>>174108252
>Not using the double-headed eagle
>Not being spiritualist and using Imperial Cult

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I got this thing from the Shroud. It's only a single 'ship' but it's got more damage than my fleet over there.

>>174108375
>ask a simple question
>this somehow triggers the lonely autist

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>>174108252
I wish someone would make an eternal anglo mod. I wonder why more people don't want to be Britain in Space?

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goddamn are you fucking bullies happy

>>174108460
How is that admiral commanding a psionic storm? Is he flying around in a little ship in the middle of it? Did he put his spirit in it?

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>>174106696
Are spiders the new YHVH?

>>174106696

>play as a fanatic xenophile/pacifist, trying to create an empire with 30+ races, like its Star Wars or something
>research synths to add them to the mix
>cant enable AI rights without materialism
>cant purge them
>my own people hate me now for keeping the AIs in "slavery"
>like third of my population are robots
>rebellion chain starts immediatly

Great fucking change paradox. Makes a whole bunch of sense for some xeno loving fucks to not be able to extend rights to sentient robots.

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>>174108292
>every single positive racial trait
>four random fanatic traits
this is going to be weird

>>174108698
Not enough diplomacy. British Empire was formed more by diplomatic fuckery and espionage than it was by fleet power.

>>174108105

hey, look at the bright side, atleast it built something on every tile

I fucking HATE when I enlighten a new protectorate, dump 2k minerals and energy on them and then they build a fleet of garbage scows and work empy tiles for two centuries

I'm building Fanatical Purifiers.

After taking Repugnant, Sedentary, & Very Strong, what should my last positive trait be?

>>174108826
>check catalog
>there are multiple spiders

god damn I hope this isn't the faggot from /a/ doing it

>>174109000
what mod is this?

>>174108774
>syncretic evolution
>not cutthroat polititcs

>>174108252
They were militarist, spiritualists and xenophile.

>>174108698
Sauce?

>>174109084
Rapid Breeders.

>>174108774
>earth
>syncretic evolution

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>asteroid coming towards a recently colonized planet
>fleet in really damn far away, but decided to send it there, it was going to be a close call
>seconds before my fleet gets to the system, neighbor ayy's slightly larger fleet arrives and destroys the asteroid before I had a chance to touch it
>still got the extra minerals from the asteroid
>used those minerals to build more ships
Thanks I guess?

>>174108774
Flag is still wrong.

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>>174109345
>>174109160

>>174108774
Why syncretic evolution?

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>>174109296
Eternal Anglo 2: the Krautening

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>>174108252
Nah, Rome was not an authoritarian DPRK-tier police state. It was actually quite decentralized, and the Emperors always (in theory at least) ruled on behalf of the Senate, which ruled on behalf of the People. Also the Romans were an incredibly religious and superstitious people, ignoring that is pretty bad imo. Xenophobe isn't ideal, but Stellaris does a shit job of simulating slavery in otherwise liberty-focused societies such as Rome, Greece or the CSA historically so it'll have to do.

Your trait picks were pretty good, although one could make the case for swapping out Intelligent with Adaptable. Mass Drivers and Hyperlanes fit pretty nicely.

>>174109527
allies will help defeat asteroids, pretty cool imo

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So how's The Galactic Federation?

so, corvette spamming is still a thing or i should go for greater ships now?

>>174109552
They should have the reptilian aesthetic.

>Dyson sphere makes 400 power
>3 habitats make more

>Research station makes 50 research
>2 habitats make more

So tldr version; mega structures are literally wasted resources.

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>>174109552
Get fukt faggot

>>174109952
They're cool though.

>>174110017
No, they're really not.

They would be cool if they did something. They should have made it so each mega structure was like the sensor in that it provided an entirely unique effect to your empire.

>>174109703
Why Xenophobe? a lot of their slaves were latin and they were not racist, they just felt superior to barbarians (everyone non-romanized except kind1 the greeks)

>>174109552
>"militaristic zeal" in the backstory
>no nationalist zeal civic

>>174110123
>They would be cool if they did something
but they do something! the dyson sphere turns every rocky worlds into a Frozen world, that's cool right? :^)

but yeah I agree with you, they should give you Unity or opinion or something like that at least as well.

>>174109703
The whole Senate-ruling fiction was barely maintained even by Augustus, after him no one was dumb enough to believe that shit. It's like calling the Congo democratic because king nigger claims he rules by consensus

>>174109952
The Dyson sphere should make at least 1000. At least.
Maybe it seems excessive but it's a fucking dyson sphere. Also, the incredible mineral+time cost to building it.

Science nexus should be 100, and it should be possible to 'assist research' on it with a science ship.

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>years of being unable to get to the unbidden due to closed borders niggers
>finally get to them
Get the fuck out of my galaxy.

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>>174109552
>Romanum

>>174110287
No point in giving unity, you wont have any unity things to research by the time you get them anyway

The Dyson sphere should reduce all energy costs by 20%. Something actually significant. And it should be treated a bit like a wonder in an RTS game, allies should love you for having it and enemies should want to kill you even more for having one. Im shocked there isnt even a wargoal for taking a system with a megastructure in it.

Jesus, I didnt even regret buying the plantoid DLC but I regret this DLC a shitton.

Damn, Stellaris is still such an empty game, how can they be so bad?

>>174110419
I thought they were supposed to open borders when the crisis hits.

>>174110197
>Why Xenophobe?
To simulate how they enslaved the people they conquered as well as their feelings of superiority towards barbarians. Like I said, Xenophobe doesn't really fit, but because Stellaris doesn't simulate (otherwise) non-authoritarian societies which practice slavery it's the closest you can do. In the Ethics and Government Rebuilt mod you used to be able to pick Slaver Republic which is what I used for my SPQR game. Still not exactly it, but it's closer at least.

>>174110316
Hence why I said "in theory" and why I didn't put Egalitarian into there.

>>174109984
Fuck you, toast sarnies are delicious, especially if you mix toasted brown with white bread and lots of butter.

>>174110375
>Maybe it seems excessive but it's a fucking dyson sphere.
Thats not even excessive, each habitat can make 160 power. You only need 6 to reach nearly a 1000 power.

And unlike the sphere they are cheaper, you can build them incrementally proportional to the amount of power you need and they are far easier to keep alive. Not to mention if you lose one who gives a shit you can make more easily as well.

But I can already tell rather than making mega structures good Paradox will just nerf every other way to get energy.

>>174109952
>tfw you remember an Aeon experimental from Supreme Commander; an incredibly expensive building that basically generated infinite resources.

>>174110419
Pretty immense resource generation you've got there, for just entering the 2400s.

>>174110517
Its not an empty game, its literally one of the best 4x space games. Although that says a lot about how bad this genre is.

It just has so much more potential and it pisses everyone else when Paradox doesnt reach it

>>174110639
Its pretty sad when an RTS game gives a better sense of power, progression and wonder than a 4x one.

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>>174110550
Not these cunts

>>174110551
Was planning on going for the biological manipulation perk to maximize slaver potential, is Xenophobe really the best way to go? Also, how difficult is it to manage slaves with a growing empire and migration?

>>174110607
>>174109952
Habitats kill unity and research though. Dyson sphere and Research Nexus are just unmanned stations.

>>174106968
you dream too high anon its paradox

>>174110639
not infinite but 300000 mass is nothing to scoff at

fuck that thing by the way, a unit like that is literally worth more than every other unit in the game put together because of how fast you can build things

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>>174110552
>"you know what would go great with bread? More bread."

>>174110734
Not really. They don't penalize you percentage wise since they don't count as a colony.

>>174110734
>Habitats kill unity and research though
Literally irrelevant.

You can finish all major research and Unity before you ever get even close to finishing a megastructure.

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>Have loads of energy
>suddenly start losing energy and don't know why

Please stop

>>174110734
A good habitat can produce almost 50 in each research. One of those probably negates the cost of 2 extra planets, including itself. If you get one research habitat for every planet you own, you should cover the research deduction.

>>174110861
Check your pops, some of them probably migrated off of energy producers.

>>174110826
They do, anon. A habitat counts as a planet and you get 10% research cost increase. And each pop counts as regular pop. So each habitat is, what, a 22% increase to research cost?

I swear, the research hit from planets is far too high.

>>174106946
Laachax colonized far outside of their home borders, and have enough border influence to declare some dead space as part of their territory connecting to the colony, but not enough to push back Immutharan borders significantly.

>>174110734
You do a race with this government and traits and you'll finish the entire Unity tree in no time at all, and well before anyone can build a M.S. With five planets on a slightly less optimal play-through I had 300+ unity.

>>174110316
>implying Mobutu Sese Seko wasn't beloved by the people of Zaire.

>>174110792
I wouldn't expect some foreign heathen to understand the intricacies of British cuisine. You're probably French.

>>174110861
Make sure your fleets are orbiting a planet with a spaceport whenever they're not in use. A roving fleet is expensive.

>>174110974
I'll have to check again, because my Unity screen only lists the 4 planets I have and doesn't count the habitat as one.

>>174110870
Those full habitats also need power and food which further reduces efficiency.

>>174111065
There's a reason none of your colonies have remotely British food anymore.

>>174110861
Have you recently moved a fleet off of a station? Their upkeep is dropped by 25% when they're docked.

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>>174111036
>forget pic

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>>174111065
I have a great admiration for cute British girls. Too bad they're all fictional.

>>174110861
Fleets in a starports consume 25% less.
You can boost that to 40% with port upgrades.

>>174111140
Power is covered by one or two habitats full of power plants. Food is easy to manage. Just two or three hydroponic farms on each planet will completely cover any and all food cost ever.

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>>174111207
I went to school with one.

>>174111207
I've lived in this shitty country all my life and there are no cute girls.

>>174111140
Neither of those are at all relevant

>>174111541
>>174111315
If you count the tiles used on planets to pay for the habitat upkeep it turns into a 30% decrease in the "optimal" research number.

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>>174111427
That's why I said they're all fictional.

>>174111654
See >>174111541

>Play a fanatic militaristic empire
>Conquering for as long as I've been in space
>Have to stop for a bit to focus on expansion and rebuilding
>Suddenly pacifism is a huge thing in my empire
>Becomes one of the biggest factions
Why does pacifism grow so damn fast? Why does Militarism have a malus just for not being at war? Why does, my race built entirely around waging war have a faction that suddenly doesn't want to?

>>174110551
>Ethics and Government Rebuilt
Yeah, that was amazing.
Think he's redoing the entire thing from scratch now, isn't he?

>>174111654
> "optimal" research number.
Are you clinically retarded or just pretending

You would have finished ALL the major research techs by the time you even start a Dyson sphere. Research time increase from a habitat is 100% utterly irrelevant.

>>174111654
Not really. One tile on one planet would give you, at best 10 in one research and 1 in the other two.
You can use that tile to hold a hydroponic farm that can feed a whole habitat that produces 40 in ALL the researches.

We need an autistic savant to do the official calculations.

>>174111816
Just suppress them and ignore them. I've never had an issue with factions, worst case, you get some unrest. Big whoop.

>>174112084
Suppressing factions cost precious influence. And still seems to do fuck all.

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I think I have done enough technocracies, royal autocracies, and religious fanatics. Recommend me some interesting warlike meatheats, and/or democrats (other than migratory plagues and neocons).

>>174111427
Yes there are. They're really rare though so I don't blame you for thinking they don't exist.

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>Alright, so my buddies the Raxycondians got wardec'd; that's cool, my fleet is in the area and I'll go help them out
>Wait, Oklarr Shard, that doesn't sound like a normal name...
>Militant Isolationists
YOU IDIOTS
HOLY SHIT
THOSE FUCKERS BETTER NOT COME TO THE CORE.

My fellow anon.
How the fuck I can fix resident aliens from leaving?
I do not let them move around and they still leaving my empire.
I want them to just live and work in decent conditions on their separate autonomous planets but these faggots just leave.
Only solutions I find is to prohibit them reproducing and then migration stop.
Any way to mode this?
Just to make clear.
Prohibit them from leaving the Empire.

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>>174112172
Then just ignore them. You're a militarist, if they riot, just crush them with force like the pathetic hippies they are.

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>Alphamod/PD/MRSS compatch still doesn't exist

>>174112260
Enslave them.

>>174111921
I'm not the one who's so retarded they can't understand how a 30% decrease in production is relevant after adding the decrease from population when people are whining autisticaly about a space station that does the same thing without either.

Do you get that? That a -22% from population and a -30% from maintenance tile use (which would also need include the population of those tiles) is somehow relevant to the discussion as to why a Research Nexus might exist? We're not talking about how either might be useful to finish the tech tree.

>>174107973
Pls respond

>>174112195
Ethics:
>fanatic militarist
>authoritarian
Gov:
>oligarchic government
Civics:
>warrior culture
>(anything else)

Warrior culture will make your government into a War Council.
Then what you do is have small empire but vassalise the living shit out of everyone and take slaves. Cede world from every nation around you and vassalise the rest of them. Enslave the planet.
Ultimately, you'll keep a small empire but have a massive presence.

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Music / Mod recommendations?

I have
LEX
Diverse Rooms
Lilm - Rei Ayanami
Reduce Aura Graphics
UI Overhaul 1080p

plus my own synthwave custom music mod which adds some tracks similar to the existing soundtrack, for you know, more variation. Also taking music recommendations, particularly I'm interested in tracks which have "voiceovers" from old sci-fi movies or narrations of sci-fi books, such as this example here in my playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzw1fSp4ecU&t=3m21s
or like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dxBzJiF2Rw&t=16s

I feel they add something neat to the game. Some voicovers also feel like they're "radio broadcasts" or something in my empire. If only we could select some tracks for wartime, peacetime and possibly moments where things may escalate into a war, that'd be cool.

>>174112431
I know but I want allied xeno for RP purposes.
Howe do I build Space Iron Curtain and keep them inside?

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There is something seriously wrong with this system

>>174112564
You don't, refugees will flee your empire if you treat them badly compared to other hippy empires.

>>174112435
>We're not talking about how either might be useful to finish the tech tree.
Yes, we fucking are, because that was the WHOLE point to this discussion you utter moron

You have no argument, end of discussion.

>large galaxy too laggy late game
>small galaxy too small cant go until late game
FUUUGGGGG DDD:

>>174112435

>>174111541
>>174111315
>>174110845

>>174112435
>We're not talking about how either might be useful to finish the tech tree.
>research is not relevant to a science station that costs a fortune and takes forever to make
u havin a fuckin giggle mate?

you go build a science nexus before reaching end game techs, it literally cant be done it takes so long

>>174112682
They have good conditions and are happy(70+).

Is Mechanist worthwhile if you build your species to be Intelligent, Thrifty space-nerds that need their robot servants to protect them?

>>174112719
>Research station makes 50 research
>2 habitats make more
>A good habitat can produce almost 50 in each research.
>Those full habitats also need power and food which further reduces efficiency.
No, you tried to whine about how "well I actually was talking about the tech tree" after 15 posts discussing efficiency. Since you failed to counter basic math with name calling you're running away.

>>174112435
>100+ years for Unity techs for Science Nexus
>anywhere from 1 to 100 years to just find the mega structure tech
>25+ years to finish science nexus
A totally scientifically devoid race can get Tachyon lances in that time, as well as every other near end game tech.

Remind me again why I would even bother with a science nexus ever under any circumstance? It should be an early game tech not a late game one.

Wiz pls go, your mega structures are shit and poorly thought out.

>>174112260
Go to species rights and put on migration controls you fucking retard, there's not even a happiness malus as a result

>>174112998
Then why lead with "2 habitats make more" if you were thinking about end-game techs if that was the core of your argument?

Reminder that building more than one military station is a literal fucking waste of time, and if you want to defend your systems just dock a huge fleet on your planet instead.

If you're going to build some military stations, build the cheapest shit you can in the dead centre of a tonne of systems and watch your enemies spend forever getting anywhere. Anything else is pointless because FUCK THIS GAME.

>>174113181
>Research is not relevant to tech tree
>Obviously this is an early game discussion!
Jesus anon, you are absolutely pathetic to try and save face on this.

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>>174113341
Rude.
Thanks for nothing.
Residency + Migration control On
=they still pack and leave
So either its bugged and not work or its shitty paradox design
I ask if somebody know a way to mod it.

>>174113342
>Megas are not end game
ur having a fucking giggle cunt, im not even the guy you were talking to

>>174113293
I've built neither the research nexus nor a habitat, finished the tech tree every time with planet based research. So I'm not going to tell you to bother with either.

It's just that guy who says that a 50% decrease is not worth talking about while he can't even basic math pisses me off.

>>174113342
Are you fucking retarded megas are end game. They are literally the latest thing you will ever make.

Also dont pretend this is an argument. Your are just bitching without having any valid points.

>>174113598
>It's just that guy who says that a 50% decrease is not worth talking
Except hes 100% right in that its not worth talking about.

For someone who seems to care about math you're not even taking everything into the equation and instead pretending like pops and the habitat penalty mean anything when they obviously dont when megas only appear ultra late game, once you've tech out, unity out, and own half the galaxy.

>>174112731
>MEDIUM GALAXY
jesus christ anon yu so dumb

>>174113472
>Cost or maintenance are not relevant to building something
>Let's just ignore everything that was said up to this point.
Ok.

I love Stellaris

>>174113598
>It's just that guy who says that a 50% decrease is not worth talking about while he can't even basic math pisses me off.
>cries about math while ignoring the majority of the equation
Fucking kill yourself

>>174113598
meme-structures are shit. The only decent one is the sensor.

Do habitats exploit resource bonuses on planets?

>>174113861
Yes anon, you just keep making strawmans and moving the goalposts.

I stated every reason why that shit is not relevant and you just dodged around it because you know im right. Here is your last reply moron.

>>174113928
You first.

>empire
>emperor 100% caucasian white arian
>heir a mix of african-asian
Fuck this sjwism of this fucking cukck swedish enterprise.

>>174113861
The only one ignoring arguments here is you

How about you wake up and just admit you were wrong

>>174113968
Not that moron but ringworlds are worth it too. The Dyson sphere is irrelevant because of habitats, and the research is irrelevant because its too late anyway.

>>174114004
Strawman isn't "some guy disagreed with me" and you're the one who keeps trying to change the topic. You never countered anything I said directly and ran away at the first opportunity. Congrats, you are the winnar.

>>174114263
Not him but please shut up and fuck off. No one gives a crap about you crying because you made a fool of yourself.

>>174114135
I'll do that the moment 2 is equal to 3. Good luck.

>>174114373
>>174114263
>>174113861
You know its funny if you had just admitted you misunderstood what people were talking about you wouldnt be making such an idiot of yourself and raging on a keyboard.

Spiritualist Authoritarians/Something or Super Space Jews?
Whats more funner?

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>>174112510

What about traits? Should I pick strong or very strong?

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So am I just slow or did anyone else find out that you can pre-emptively find out whether or not planets have resources (but not anomalies) in them by telling a construction ship to go there?

There'll ever be a truly diplomacy dlc? i mean diplomacy is shit on this game, its basically ally or enemy.

Egalitarian or Xenophile, which is mechanically better?

>>174114257
Ringworlds would be a lot better if you could construct the segments concurrently rather than having to wait for each one. Also it unlocks way too late. It costs like 100k minerals for 100 tile ring world? You can build 20 habitats for that, which is 240 tiles.

>Play tall
>still end up as one of the largest empires in the galaxy

Why is the AI so shit at expanding

>>174114706
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-50-the-journey-ahead.978042/

>>174114856
Because they are almost non-functional during wars

Does anyone have any recommendations for strategy/4X games that are more about the simulation/experience of controlling an empire, rather than the board game/beat the opponents side of things.

I mean obviously competing with other groups is important in games like these, but in some of the recent ones I played, they've felt more about the mechanics than immersing you in the experience.

Which is fine, there's obviously a place for that, but I kinda want to find one that is more immersive and less about the mechanics themselves.

>>174114846
I was about to argue that ringworlds are better for minerals if you minmax them, but then I actually did the math, and habitats still beat them on that.

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>>174114891
>Superweapons and planet killers
>Buildable Dreadnoughts and Titans
Oh please let this happen Paradox.

>remove limitations on ascension
>become the god race of the universe

Nice feel

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What's the difference between playing tall and wide? I can guess is either expanding like crazy but with poor developed worlds, or just having the core planets but with high-tier building. Can you do both? Are some governments/ethos/traits more suited for one over the other?

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Guys, is there any way to bully these grey fuckers into vassalization/integration or warring them when they're part of my federation, but no one else wants to vote them out?

It's really getting under my skin.

They're actually a remnant from a previous faction that attacked me first, so I liberated them. But they turned out to be more trouble than they were worth. Just look at this shit interrupting my blob. And further up in the screenshot you can even see a Frontier Outpost they never deleted.


AAAAAAAH.

Why are some of my pops migrating to other empires? I thought I needed a migration treaty for that.

>>174114846
>Also it unlocks way too late
Thats true for all the mega structures

They should be an early game tech, that you slowly expand upon.

>Early game can start research for mega structures
>first research is just the frame, which provides a small bonus
>as you progress through energy/space station/defense station techs you get access to more techs for mega developments
>each new tech then lets you build the next part, increasing the bonus from your structure
>finishing the structure requires the correct unity tradition
>diplomatically some races should like you building megas, some should hate it
>AI should also start building their own megas early on
>megas should be a war goal in of themselves
>megas should be game changing once completed and provide an entirely unique benefit, this includes ring worlds which need some new buff on them.

Boom. Now megas are good. They are something you invest in, surrendering short term gains for long term ones and they are relevant all through the game rather than not being relevant ever like they currently are. The final completed product should basically act like a 'wonder' from an RTS game.

>>174114891
>A 'galactic community' with interstellar politics and a 'space UN

The Trade Federation has gone too far this time Valceroy.

>>174115209
>>Superweapons and planet killers
>only unlocked after all empires have finished all techs, all end game crises are over and you have 10000k fleet

>>Buildable Dreadnoughts and Titans
>Cost 100m minerals each, and you would be better off making corvettes

Paradox baby!

>>174115209
fuck you, i screenshoted and was coming to post this, aside from this saddens me to know that they will focus more on the combat and less on diplomacy.

>>174115529
Considering paradox stole the traditions from Civ, you can bet they steal the diplomatic community from Civ V too and it wasnt good at all.

One faction is the leader, you research techs for more power in the community, and eventually you can vote yourself an end game victory condition.

>>174115425
Because YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD

>>174114846

Really, megastructures are more realistic and plausible than FTL. One requires impossible physics, the other is a matter of automation and industry.

>>174115653

>steal one mechanic from civ
>its the worst mechanic from the worst civ game

bravo, paradox

>>174114128
Adoption is the best system of succession in an Imperial nation. Five Good Emperors nigga.

>>174115725
Those ungrateful motherfuckers. I protectorated them ,vassalized them, and genetically modified them to make them better than they ever were and now they leave me. I'll purge every last one of these cunts.

>>174115548
>Planet Killers
>only allowed to destroy one planet before the entire galaxy forms a mega coalition and declares on you
>also only works 50% of the time due to bugs that won't ever be fixed
>Dreadnaughts and Titans
>medium plasma throwers are still the best weapon slot in the game so everything more than cruiser is shit

>>174115256
You mean going through all three paths? There is a mod for that?

Do you get to experience all chains?

>tfw not a genetic modified synthetic with psychic powers

>>174115945
Where's the numbers on Medium plasma thrower being best anyway? If someone builds tons of shields/regen there's no way it would still be the best weapon.

>>174115881
It's the only way to be sure

>>174115057
Stellar Monarchs.
Its fun until you get mechanics.

>>174115967
>You mean going through all three paths? There is a mod for that?
Jepp

how build a fleet, compostion wise speaking? should i go missile corvette? should i spam destoryer-cruiser?

>>174115425
You have residency for species right.
They always migrate where they get full laws even if its shithole and they get eaten soon.

>>174115425
Non-full citizens will migrate to empires where they have full citizenship, migration treaty just increases the speed. I've "lost" 20 of 40 xenos with resident level citizenship over the course of 30 years.

Oddly enough, looking at the species list under galaxy setting there's only 27 of them alive on 3 planets, even though there's only 20 of them on one planet in my empire so 13 of them died somehow.

>>174116578
Yeah, they had residence. I thought that the migration controls and lack of migration treaty meant that they couldn't move around.

>>174116520
mind sharing it, famalam?

Paradox could increment combat so much i mean, not only ground troops have morale.
>lose too many ships makes the pilots miss more shots or have a decrease in evading
things like this i guess

>>174116812
There's a couple. Just search for ascension in the workshop and you can take your pick.

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>>174116708
I bet they move into 'refuges welcome' Hive and get eaten.
Dumb paradicks.
>>174116725
My problem.
They are happy here but this aside I should stop them from moving.
Its like I can stop them moving to my worlds or between them but they can easily jump to another empire.

I am checking files to change it.
Find some defines that should fix it so anyone interested I can share.

>>174116193
You obviously don't build straight plasma. You need some disruptors/kinetics/energy torps on corvettes or destroyers. Medium slots have a reasonable amount of tracking compared to large, which almost has none. Medium also gets a little more armor pen than small. Generally ships have quite a bit more hull points than shields which is why plasma is better.

>>174116832
I could see ships becoming worse as the get damaged but morale would be pretty dumb. Both would be pointless and not really add anything though.

>>174116193
That's pretty much the only situation where a weapon is better than M plasma. And even then it's probably very close.
The issue is that once you get to lategame almost everything even remotely dangerous has capped 90% armor, especially if they have repeatable armor tech like FEs or neutronium ore like some AI factions will, so armor penetration becomes the one stat to rule them all on weapons, and plasma shits on everything in that regard. M plasma is the top dog among plasma because it's still capable of hitting corvettes and stackable on cruisers which are more economical than battleships from a cost:firepower perspective.
A single kinetic artillery on an M plasma cruiser is literally the best ship in the game though because the artillery shreds shields, and unlike disruptors is still relevant when hitting hull, and then the plasma gets into range on a shieldless ship and minces it. This shit also still maintains that economic factor of cruisers and has enough massed M plasma to still render corvettes a meaningless annoyance.

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>Rush mega-engineering
>Don't get it until 2314

Fuck you Johan

what was your funnest empire

>>174117324
Related to this. Get this mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/776095610
It adds a dedicated power module slot on all ships that results in ships having significantly more shielding due to more slots being needed for power and indirectly helps balance plasma out as shield's become actually relevant to their damage output.

>>174117324

Don't forget: ships with plasma will focus fire any ship with downed shields

Is there a good single ship type fleet you can build with this?

>>174117634
Earliest I got mega engineering is 2270 but that required juggling scientists to force the game to give me the required techs.

>>174117634

Mega engineering is rarer than :
Synthetics,
Jump Drive
Ascension Theory

It is actually rarer than every tech in the game because it is the only tech that receive the tier 4 weight treatment combined with the rare modifier of dividing said factor by 10, 40 if you don't have the right scientist.

I want to make my own 4x game. What should I add to make it good?

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>>174117768
>forgot pic
Behold, a battleships that only needs 1 power module because of its built in power plant, as a result it has 50% more shielding than hull which is actually a big fucking deal for plasma to burn through.

>>174117858
what? if you switch scientists with different specialties you get a different list of techs to research?

holy shit

>>174117324
It's worth mentioning that end-game destroyers are great with L plasma since all their upgrades buff the fuck out of tracking so they're a solid counter to corvettes, even with L weaps

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>>174117634
>rush Gaia Creation
>don't get it until 2334
>don't need it any more because I already have all the +habitability techs and terraforming to my species preference takes less time and cash than Gaia worlds would anyway

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>>174117778
I was reading a discussion about how fleets of plasma, kinetic artillery, energy torpedo fleets of corvettes, destroyers and cruisers (no battleships) can be used to kill twice the fleet power of Awakened Empire fleets, 200k vs 500k and reliably win with low losses by exploiting the fact that 60% of AE fleet power comes from tachyon lances which is susceptible to evasion. He points out that none of the AE ships managed to land a single hit with their tachyon lances. Interesting analysis but unfortunately it's on reddit.

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>>174110974
>>174111117
Apparently they increase research cost but not unity cost? That seems not working as intended.

Anyone know what the patch that dropped today for stellaris fixes?

>>174118309
Gaia worlds are basically a vanity project like most mega-structures. It's a way of slapping your galactic willy on the face of creation.

>>174118023
romance

>>174118020

The two greatest things you can do to get mega-engineering is build a megastructure (habitat) and get a voidcraft scientist

>>174118410
It really sucks, they should at least give a bonus to happiness or unity to represent the fact that they're basically the Garden of Eden

>>174118309
Like >>174118410
said, Gaia worlds are for show. I like being an autist and playing with no aliens and only colonizing Gaia worlds.
Only purpose I can actually see them serving is if you are a xenophillic federation that wants all species a part of it.

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For all people who have problem with resident xenos leaving for fuck no reasons.
MIGRATION_GAIN_CITIZENSHIP_MULT = 1.2 MIN_HAPPINESS_DIFF_FOR_MIGRATION = 0.1
That is default.
Increase min happiness diff so there is actual reason for them to leave and decrease full citizens right attractions.
>Stellaris Utopia\common\defines

>>174118120
Hire a bunch of scientists with different fields, use them to scan planets, when the currently research tech is about to be complete swap the scientist to change the weight of the RNG in your favor. Particle scientist will get you powerplant techs or a Field Manipulation for shield techs. Materials scientist for gauss/artillery techs. Swap them back if you don't get the tech you wanted.

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I tried hacking the Infinity Machine as a Fanatic materialist, but I failed

Do i get a second chance at interacting with it, or should I just destroy it by force?

>>174118343
I think its 4 colonies as homeworld not count.
5 planets give you (home free +4x10% per one colony) penalty
So it work as intended.

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>>174118120
>2011+6
>not using the wiki to cheese every game you play

>>174118394
There was a patch?

Is there any way to find Barren worlds with the Terraforming Candidate modifier?

I know I had a couple pop up over the years, but I'm fucked if I'm going to sift through hundreds of solar systems just to find them

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Whoo hoo. Dyson spheres or ring worlds?

>>174118947
lolno, that would be too convenient

you have to manually keep track of them, either by writing them down or by sticking a frontier outpost in the system to remind you.

>>174119052
Of the two, ringworlds are better by miles, but honestly neither is particularly efficient. They're vanity projects.

I just had a fallen empire awaken on me, how long do I have to live?

>>174119052
lmao they both suck. Sensor Array if you really feel the need to build something

>>174110705
>genocide
there's your problem
they'll be ass blasted at that forever

>>174119171
Depends on what type it is. Most offer everyone in the galaxy some form of vassalization and only invade after they've been refused.

>>174119171

Become their subject and keep building up your shit.

>>174119052
If you need more worlds, ringworld. If you need to spy on someone, galatic wonders.

>>174119052
Sensor

Its the only one worth it

>>174119196
I've neutered dozens of races since that doesn't seem to count as genocide for diplomacy.

>>174119187
Yeah, sensor arrays are decent. They give you the ability to do something that the other structures can't replicate.

>>174119246
>>174119263
It's a spiritualist fallen empire, but I'm a materialist.

>>174119052
Neither, they're both overcosted relative to their reward. Just terraform a few gaia worlds or build a bunch of energy habitats.

Are there any mods that prevent the AI from getting anomalies? I'm sick of them stealing anomalies from areas I'm about to colonise.

>>174119405

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4QBRgyitFs

Footage of your capital burning,

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>>174118834
well steam downloaded something and it wasn't workshop content

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>tfw bullied by xenos

>find irassia
>wow it's nothing

such a bullshit precursor race

I mean, I scanned HALF the system and apparently the two last artifacts spawn randomly on worlds and then gives you dialogue-popup. No point in rushing to get it.

>>174119196
Nah, I'm f.materialist and egalitarian, they got that bootyblasted because I annexed some niggers to the south of me when they declared war, then they broke all treaties with me and closed their borders forever, despite me previously having a defensive alliance with them. I was scratching my head about that one for a while.

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How's this for space orks?

>>174117689
Spiritual space geckos right before banks. I had a best friend race of alpine shellfish and we slaughtered humans by the billions together.

>>174119549
That's not how anomalies work. You can't detect an anomaly if it's inside an other empire's space. Your science ships accumulate a chance to detect an anomaly every time they scan a system and every time they finish scanning a system. This is why science ships are more likely to find an anomaly right after finishing surveying a system. Two empires can scan the same system and each find anomalies.

The exception to this is some planets are special like the precursor homeworlds, the wraith neutron star and the shielded world. First person to scan those gets the scripted event disguised as an anomaly.

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Do you guys rp when you play?

I wanted this species to be like romans in space. Where the government is ruled by a small pool of ambitious rich families. Are leader based empires powerful? Another trait i was thinking is citizen service

>>174119889
It's got no bio senpai

>>174119889
I'd argue they should have fast breeders but looks fine.

>>174120012
"space orks"

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>>174119775
>insulting humanity
>insulting holy terra
you done better ram a broom handle up his asshole for that

>>174119963
>Do we RP when we play?

Welcome home anon and it looks good

>>174118120
>The card system was the best we could come up with
>t. paradox

SoTS had such a better system. It would work in stellaris too. Instead of picking starting weapons you can pick a tech tree template.

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>>174114891
>Being forced into the UN

>>174120371
MoO had best system and still have.
>ladder vs tree

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>it's a you are at war with the entire galaxy again episode

>>174120486
>that tiny fleet power
>unbidden that big
You've lost and your navy is pathetic.

Any mods that make fleet battles reward a lot more warscore, and space station destruction?
planetary invasions are so fucking tedious and boring

>>174120371
>>174120457
>plebs never talking about distant worlds at all.

which is better
>2 diferents types of frigates one with plasma other kinetics
>one type of frigate with half plasma half kinetics
????????

>>174120426
>Be a democratic crusader
>invade empires perpetrating atrocities on their people
>Other space democracies strongarm you into their space UN because your interventions are interfering with their arms trading and proxy wars
>They hold meetings on whether something is genocide then do nothing about it
>Can't break out of the federation because you'll labeled a rogue nation
>All you can do is crash the space UN with no survivors

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>tfw golden ships
How fab is your fleet, /civ4xg/?

And, more importantly; what color lights go best with each ship aesthetic? I'm really digging the tan/gold light on mammalian.

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Post comfy capitals

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>>174120727
umm, Distant Worlds has been claimed by /gsg/
please wait for the next turn to reclaim

>>174120769
ITS THE GOLDEN LEGION!

>>174120727
Distant worlds is fine but it has a standard static tree. SoTS had variable trees with different chances to discover technologies based on your race.

>>174120620
How do I get better fleet power what are the best weapons?

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>>174119963
>Do you guys rp when you play?

Is the sea wet?

>>174120769
>tfw want gold ship lights
>Tan/Yellow/Orange all look shit on flags

>there isn't a mafia civic.
I dunno most types of political entities are represented but not that curiously.

>>174121082
But anon, government is merely a mafia with legitimacy!

>>174121052
You calling my flag shit, holmes?

>>174120758
>Be a fanatical purifier
>Despite thinking other species aren't even worthy of life, you're forced to sit in on their meetings and regard their international decisions as valid and binding.

>>174121082
wonder why they didn't make civics/ethics/gov types easily extendable for modding

>>174121156
LOLBERTARIANS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Does the Automated Dreadnought still spawn with the top tier FTL you own or does it nwo come with its own? Wondering if I should repair it now or later when I have Psi jump.

>>174121410
still spawn with yours

>>174120915
Build space stations everywhere, upgrade them too, colonize planets. Expand in some way and chances are it boosts your fleet cap. Plasma and kinetic artillery are the best weapons before you get funky stuff from crisis' regular kinetics and lasers aren't bad either. Don't touch missiles.

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>find Gaia world
>it's size 10

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>>174121195
Red and tan is objectively a colour scheme only used by people lacking any kind of taste.

>>174121562

Most gaia worlds are tiny, and protected by fanatic spiritualists. The one time you find a 25 slot gaia world near your start location, you'll quickly be destroyed by your fanatic purifing neighbor

>>174120947
>finland uniting the world
seems pretty unrealistic desu

>>174121276
Shitty structure because they are lazy, all technologies are in the same files so you can't h1ve two technology mods too.

>>174121710
Finns are unquestionably superior.

terraforming is useless
>oh shit what if i found these planets half habitality
>adaptative
Aside, unique resources and techs add habitalibity, why cant we terraform moltem worlds? toxic worlds i understand, but if i can make a sand planet go gaia, why cant i make this magma turn to rock?

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Amoebas are bullies

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>>174119963
>>174120947
This is the best place to let my inner Chuuni out

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>>174121710
>implying finns aren't the true master race
perkele

>>174121982
I've only terraformed a world to gaia once and that was when I was playing xenophile immigrant hustler and put 5 million different pops on one planet for shits.

Honestly otherwise I find gaia terraforming insanely pointless, the energy cost and time involved isn't worth it when you can just find a high habitability planet elsewhere or terraform the planet into your home type for cheaper (but still semi-slowly)

>>174122180
>tfw no cute fin gf to cuddle beneath a reindeer skin blanket.

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Alright lads, where do I go from here. We've officially reached "stagnant midgame", and I'm not sure where I should exactly expand my empire.

I'm in blue, with my two vassals to the immediate north-east of me.
Pink and Purple are small federations 1 and 2, respectively; both friendly.
Red is an effectively contained fanatical purifier, and possible target to vassalize.
Yellow is Big Federation #1, and I have had no major dealings with them so far.
Green is Big Federation #2, and I have had no major dealings with them so far, except in the case of when their one member to the north-east of my vassals warred against me (defending his buddy from becoming my vassal :^)
Orange are FE's, and are respectively, counter-clockwise starting at the top, Xenophobe, Spiritualist (next to me), Materialist, and Xenophile.

>>174121594
Wow fuck you too, lad.

>>174121710
I don't know, they managed to stay out of both NATO and USSR influence during the entirety of the Cold War.

>>174122207
coloniable worlds should be rarer.

>>174122180
Think of all the knowledge we lost as a species when that empire was destroyed ;___;

Fucking Atlanteans.

>>174122180
>had all that land and lost it all quickly
wow real superior

>>174119963
Of course, otherwise it gets boring.

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>>174122285
>implying a finn goddess would want anything to do with yoru shit genes

>>174122180
Yeah, but even with all your mighty you could not withstand the implications of the finno-korean hiperwar

>>174122296
>fuck you too, lad.

rude!

>>174122450
No u

>>174122296
Annex the pink and purple federations then remove the purifiers.

psi-jump-drive -> unbidden arrive on the other side of the galaxy

Should I try to actually fight them or just let them run rampant until they become nearly unstoppable? What weapons are good against them? Tachyon beams or focused emitters?

How many ascension perks do you get total?

>>174122405
Not all fins are beatful, they are some mix betwen nords and sunnis, and sunnnis are ugly
i thin i mispelled sunnis, but its a name very like

>>174122405
All you need to do to claim a finn wife is to outsauna their best sauna artists.

>>174122549
Energy weapons are shit against the unbidden since they're all shields and no armor. Rev up those kinetic artillery.

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>>174122551
sami
they have a certain charm

>>174121650
I started right beside a Fanatic Purifier and had a size 20 Gaia world between us, thankfully I am also an FP and wiped him out right off the bat and took his homeworld and the Gaia world

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>>174122536
>Pink
But they're friendly geckos!

>>174119963

>fanatic purifiers
>take robots to start with
>only take 3--5 planets to research on, and have the rest filled with only androids
>research that happiness drug
>robot armies and vast navies of AI ships fueled by automated mining planets go around purging every trace of alien life(using that minimod that lets you turn every planet into a tomb world with sustained bombardment)
>colonize the ruined planets with and build even more murderbots from the ruins of their civilizations while my original race sits on their homeworld jerking off and eating funyuns

>>174122679
They're friendly geckos with valuable land and resources. They're also an easy target so go fuck them up. Manifest destiny fucko

>>174122180
Bullshit.

>rebellion occurs
>have to declare a regular war to cede planets
why aren't we automatically at war and under unique circumstances?

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>>174122009
>tfw you come back decades later with your big daddy fleet and get revenge

>>174122679
they're space jews, anon
PURGE

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>>174122679
>But they're friendly geckos!
what about this goy?

>>174122663
i dont like the way their face, its a bit, circular?

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>go on steam discussions to look for answers with a bug I have on steam
>the conversations there
is this the power of buyer's remorse and sunk cost fallacy?

>>174122882
they're european eskimos, basically

Guys.
Prethoryn invade but they sit around some unlucky dude planet and bombard it.
Any ideas?
Should they not infest it or something?

What other ascension paths should stellaris have? I'm personally thinking that time manipulation should be one, with the ability to fast forward or rewind systems at first, then it moves on to to turning blackholes back into stars or vice versa.

>>174122956
no, it's the power of SPUF

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>>174120807
Comfy Solar System even.
Gonna terraform Mars into a Gaia world as well.