Wargames General /wgg/

So I'm thinking about grabbing syrian warfare. Anyone know what/where the latest piratable version is and if i can run it with my set up? My CPU is Q9650 and my GPU is a gt730.

Please someone help me save my data(im poor af right now) and give us a link to torrent that isnt shit please! All the ones im seeing are making me nervous with the comment section and i dont wanna waste my precious shit posting phone data...

>>173962731
You probably can, it's not the greatest looking game of all time. I forgot where i got my pirated version.

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When are we going to talk about secret documents and history again?

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bamp

>>173962918
was it here

https://www.skidrowreloaded.com/syrian-warfare-hi2u/ if not do u think u could up your torrent to mega or someting anon?

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>>173963928

Sooooo can i play as isis or assad in syrian warfare? is there a skirmish mode?


>also i relaly want them to post more info about iron harvest 1920 the art style so far looks pretty gud

"i think allies are OP" t. FUCKING SHITTER KILL YOURSELF

>>173964302
Who are you quoting?

>>173965140
no one just asking a question about sw. are there any mods for it yet? it at least needs a skirmish mode ffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDi07qQNZk

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I just want to say the op image is a e s t h e t i c as fuck

I'm new to SD, been playing mostly as 3rd armoured so far. What the hell am I meant to do with all these half tracks, pretty much everything I call in seems to come with one. I try to use them in conjunction with my infantry for fire support but I just end up with so many of them I end up leaving them behind which seems like a waste.

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Are UGCW /wgg/?

>>173963928
Fuck off, Mosque.

>>173965628
>commission
why

>>173965628
What the fuck is your problem sperg?

>>173965571
If you've played Wargame: Treat them like you'd treat IFVs.

The M3 Halfrack is the BMP-2 of Steel Division.
It makes up a full 50% of the price of some of your infantry so you need to get the most use out of it as possible.
Use it to dick on enemy infantry and suppress their light open topped vehicles, use them to probe enemy lines and flush out recon teams, use their great speed to outflank slower enemy units by speeding down roads and attacking enemy positions from the other side whilst your infantry engage from the front.

As the US 3AD your Phase A riflemen are not that great against other infantry due to their lack of an MG or SMGs, thankfully the halftrack is there to help. If it stays at range it's more or less invulnerable to return fire from infantry, so it should be following alongside or behind your infantry as they advance, ready to pepper any infantry that you encounter with MG fire. When the enemy infantry are suppressed you can move in with your rifles to finish the job or make the enemy surrender.

>>173965932
what? nothing just looking for some advice you nog lord

>>173965848
who knows. weebs n shieet

>>173965628
Go fuck yourself

>>173965125

To be fair the Churchill AVRE with 20 front armor in phase A is kinda ridiculous and is probably the only reason why 12th SS has the Firefly in phase A.

As Luftlande the AVRE (and other Churchills) are incredibly annoying because you got very little that can properly deal with them other than the panzerknacker, which is very vulnerable to British spitfires.

A lot of the balance issues could ultimately be solved by removing the Churchill AVRE from phase A which would mean 12th SS Panzer no longer needs to get the firefly in phase A which would improve things massively for the 3rd armored in return.

I noticed that people that think allies are too weak have played very little with/against the Scots against/with Luftlande while people that think Axis is underpowered probably have fought very little against the 3rd Armored and mostly against the 15th infantry.

The balance is probably like 15th Infantry>12th SS Panzer>3rd Armored>=91th Luftlande right now. I only played 1v1 with a little bit of 2v2 so I'm not going to talk about how stuff is in larger team games.

People complaining about the 3rd Armored while playing 12th SS are silly. With luftlande Jumbos can become annoying late game but aren't nearly as bad as the Phase A AVRE.

>>173966256
A lot of balance issues will sort themselves out in time when more divisions are added to the game. These things won't be such a huge deal when it's not the case that 50% of Axis divisions have a Firefly.

>>173966256
the avre I can deal with but the m3 spam is insane, you cannot counter it with anything as luftlande.

>>173966543
if you're not opening the game with a spam of Pak 36s, you're doing it wrong

>>173966543

The light Pak gun has a high ROF which makes them quite effective against halftracks on open maps to my experience. For closer range engagements you get panzerschreks though munition has been an issue in my games.

>>173966768
>>173966821
that does not matter you might have 3 or 6 pieces of those 36s but the enemy has 9 m3s that all suppress your shit into oblivion

>>173967000
I've found that doesn't happen, the Pak kills the lead M3 and all it's pals behind it poo themselves in terror whilst the Pak uses 15rpm to tear them a new one.

>>173966256
The luftlande is harder to play but imo they actually have an easier time dealing with an AVRE (the plane with the 75mm and i haven't seen many players go for a phase A fighter)
main problem for luftlande is the lack of good AT guns.
I've never seen the AVRE deal much damage, thing has very short range and doesn't get ap shells, not really that threatening outside of a town and not very hard to get a close range kill/scare away.

The people i'm triggered by actually are playing SS and they're whining about panthers being too weak.

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>>173962383

>>173967596
>tfw no good space wargames

>>173967836
do you imagine them as normal wargames with a space skin?

Call to arms is shit af mane

Does steel division have driect control mode kinda thingy?

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>>173968291
>Does steel division have driect control mode kinda thingy?
No, it's a like a smaller scale and mechanically refined Wargame. It's not like MoW.
The scale of the battles can be seen in this screenshot, albeit from a replay.

>>173968291
No, you control units by giving orders just like in the classic RTS games.

>>173966068
Thanks m80.

Does the same apply to 12th SS as I see most of their infantry is also mechanised.

I guess a lot more micro is involved when compared to using the Scots infantry then?

>>173968475
oh cool. this might sound a bit nitpicky of me but is something bothersme so does SD have a collision system? AKA if a tank stops in middle of a road it blocks it? Or is it more like in COH where tanks and stuff can basically occupy the same space while they try and navigate around each other? What happens if a tank bumps into a halftrack or something will it squash it?

What about infantry is there a squad system like in CoH or is it more like command n conquers "each dude is a unit" style?

>>173968804
>if a tank stops in middle of a road it blocks it?
Yep.
>Or is it more like in COH where tanks and stuff can basically occupy the same space while they try and navigate around each other?
Nope.
>What happens if a tank bumps into a halftrack or something will it squash it?
No clue. I should look into this.
>What about infantry is there a squad system like in CoH
Yep.

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>>173968802
>Does the same apply to 12th SS as I see most of their infantry is also mechanised.
They're very similar yes, but the SS Panzer Grens are much better at fighting infantry on their own due to them having SMGs and 2 MGs per squad.

>>173968804
>oh cool. this might sound a bit nitpicky of me but is something bothersme so does SD have a collision system?
It does, but units will never really bump into each other save when convoying down a road together. The scale is just too big.

>What happens if a tank bumps into a halftrack or something will it squash it?
Nope, but if it's an enemy halftrack it would be long dead before it got to that range.

>What about infantry is there a squad system like in CoH or is it more like command n conquers "each dude is a unit" style?
You can see in the screenshot, infantry are squads, vehicles are individuals.

>tfw no friend to play with
Do we have a group?

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what is this shit

even the availability is the same

death to planefags

>>173968804
To be fair, coh tanks only phase through eachother half of the time.

>>173969709
You're not playing wargame anymore, there are no mixed decks, no coalitions.
This means that asymmetrical balance can actually be a thing.

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>>173969709
>when the rts factions aren't literally the same

>>173969868

Not to mention the minor details that POINT INCOME IS DIFFERENT FOR EACH DIVISION so direct point cost comparisons make no sense.

>>173969868
I dunno, "balanced asymmetrically in favor of the better deck" sounds a lot like wargame to me

How do we fix Pz4s?

>>173970106
go back in time and make them not trash in reality

>>173970020
it makes even less sense in that context, 12. SS has more income in the phase that comes in.

>>173969709
Well the left one isn't strictly Pareto superior.

Why do I need to download Steel Division when all I want is Steel Battalion?

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>>173970661

>>173970106
Not much you can do historically. I do feel bad for the Panzer 4 H though as it was really nice, just overshadowed by the more popular panthers and tigers.

>>173970106
Push high tier tanks to phase C so we can have a phase B with pzIV, sherman and churchills duking it out.

>>173972136
this would really be best. as is, there's no reason not to just skip the B mediums and start spawning jumbos and panthers.

eugene never learned that "you only get 1 or 2" isn't a good enough limiter when you only have the points to buy a few tanks per phase anyway.

>steam forums are full of wehraboos whining about jumbos and actually thinking the panthers are underpowered

this is too perfect

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>>173972312
you are like a little baby, watch THIS
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/steel-divisions-balance-%E2%80%A6-but-seriously.1013367/

>>173972489
Post more SD memes

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>>173972312
>saw a guy complaining that the 76mm sherman could pen the panther from the front.
Gives me a fucking aneurysm reading this shit.

>>173972489
nice falseflag amerilard

>>173969158
>>173968963
Seems interesting so far. I got another super nit picky question though do units have voices like in coh?

>>173972667
Yeah, but not specific to the tank in particular afaik, only the unit class and language.
So all recce infantry have the same voice, all infantry transports, all tanks etc etc etc

>>173972667
Yes. No Italian voice though, the Axis all speak German.

Allies get British and American voices. Not sure about the French.

how do i get good at SD. I never got to get good get at wargame since when I bought I was to late to the party and the game was already dying

>>173972667
they do, they're not amazing but they beat red dragon's at least

and I'm pretty sure there's a kelly's heroes reference in the american tank lines

I like how RD Chinese voices are all Chinese memes.

>>173972829
Eugen would never neglect the french like that.

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Howling

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>>173973112

>>173972758
>>173972829
>>173972892
How varied are they? is it "sure thing sir" when everythings quiet and then the same "sure thing sir" when all hell is breaking loose around them or does it change to a scream or "we're getting our asses kicked" kinda line? Must seem totally nit picky to some players but this stuff just irks me when its done terribly.

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>>173973516
>macabre

>>173973516
ree

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>>173973516
>German profile pic
>Wittman

>>173973516
>wittman killed a lot of dudes so his tank was the best!

Yeah it totally wasn't the fact that he made his kills in an urban setting with a very experienced and highly trained crew against an unprepared adversary.

>>173973516
naziboos might actually be the most hilariously bitchy "people" on the fucking planet

god, I hope eugene never gives in to these screaming retards

>>173973516
Has to be a troll, right?

>>173973847
Nope, just look at the rest of that thread. It's all like that.

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All the Germans clapped when Wittmann came back

>>173974046
>he stood there a while shooting all and everthing in range befor bailing out

>>173974046
So you know;)

>>173973650
Dude just fucking watch a video or something

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>>173974181
>>173974152
>>173974046

It keeps getting worse

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>>173974435
>MUH PANTHER

What if the Jumbo's frontal AV was 19 instead of 21?

>>173975009
What if Wheraboos weren't completely retarded?

>>173974435
>find fresh wehraboo whine thread.
>scroll through to the end to make a l2p comment.
>last minute, notice i already made one.
lmao, the only way to deal with these people is derision.

>>173975009
You'd see just as much whining and the Jumbo would be cheaper.

>>173974435
>Has literally never heard of the Battle of Arracourt

why do people whine about the jumbos? they cannot survive a 4 JU88s with a 1000 kg of bombs so who cares

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When?

Is M5 AT worth taking as yankees? Only 1000m range and only 11 AP. Doesn't even have HE.

rheinwiesen mission to starve nazisubhumans when?

>>173976086
Yes, do you think you're going to put tanks on all your flanks early game?

>>173976041

>Jagdpanther

rip Jumbo dreams

>>173962383
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY AIRBOURNE DECK

I WANT TO FUCKING PARACHUTE FILTHY MERICAN PIGS DOWN ON SHITTY FRENCH VILLAGE AND WATCH GERMAN GAJIN SURROUND AND BUTCHER THEM!

WHERES NEW BETA CONTENT REEEEEEEEEEE

>>173976086
11 AP is the highest you get in 3rd armored's phase A, and that's pretty important considering the firefly has 11 frontal armor

>>173976557
WHERE'S MY PARADROPS ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Why can't people balance spawns in 10v10 REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>173977023
WHY CANT I BE THE ONL ONE TO SPAM SUPPORT AND ARTY IN 10 VS 10, DOING FUCK ALL TO PROTECT MY TEAMMATES FLANKS AND JUST WRACKING UP TERRIBLE ARTILLERY KILLS? RRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>173977023
>10v10

>>173977459
>he wants to potentially be the reason he fucks up his entire team
>he doesn't want to even out the responsibility with 5 other people who may clutch and sae you from your incompetence

can't wait until an Italian division is released, then I can roleplay a shit general even better!

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>>173976317
>14 attack power Jagdpanther piercing 21 front armor jumbos
Nice try anon. Nothing can pen front armor jumbo.

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>everyone kicks me for high ping in non 10v10 games.
My connection doesnt even drop out i wish people would get the sticks out of their asses.

>>173977801
>not wanting to get FAST
I will, no joke, throw sheckels at a North African/Italian sequel in 2018-2019.

>>173976086
use hold fire and only engage it at 600-800m
better pen chances against the firefly

the firefly can't do shit without HE rounds

Daily reminder that Svipul is cancer

>>173978720
Your fault for living in a third world country

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>>173974435
Oh shit he's in my game

>>173980617
>poor ping

ofc

I'm blueballing really hard for more divisions.

>>173964302
No Syrian Warfare is only the campaign missions

>>173981137
Why can't there be an ISIS campaign?

>>173970020
Wait is this true how can you tell the point income for each division

>>173981029
there has to be a divisions that drops troops out of planes

I refuse to believe that airbourne divisions have no airbourne capacity

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>>173981247
>being this ignorant

>>173981173
RU devs got enough shitstorm over making a campaign from the Government side.

>>173981313
are you telling me that paratroopers didn't exist?

>>173981247
Nope.If you wanted air drops then the AA would probably have to be buffed as well.

Wouldn't surprise me if they originally wanted to do that but decided against it.

>>173981247
Combat dropping is a meme.

>>173981435
I'm saying they didn't jump into the battle, or if they did, only when something went badly wrong.

>>173981459
cant the AA just shoot the Para dropping soldier sout of the air?

>>173981459
They left out combat dropping for the same reason they left it out in WG. Dropping directly into divisional combat ended at Crete. Divisional-level combat did upon dropping simply did not happen. It took a good 12 hours to convene and organize before any meaningful offensives could be conducted.

>>173980617
Shit all over him please

>>173981695
market garden

btfo

>>173981695

This is literally represented in the game. There's a Pegasus Bridge map, was playable in the beta. Brits arrived by glider around Pegasus bridge the night of the 5th, rallied up and started fighting the morning of the 6th, the in-game map has all of these discarded gliders littering the landscape.

>>173981247
>Dropping troops right into combat

that sounds fucking dumb

>>173981883
please you would drop them in an unoccupied village and get dig in before the enemy arrived.

You know, like how airbourne decks worked in wargame?

>>173981459
>>173981503
>>173981883
They did it in RUSE, and it was a viable strategy.

>>173978661

We're talking JagdPANTHER here, not Jagdpanzer IV. That's a very bad mix up laddie.

Considering it uses the same gun as the Tiger II chances are it will have 22 AP at 1200 range, 24 at 1000 range which means poor Jumbo will be uh, better off moving to somewhere else.

At least it'll be probably extremely expensive.

>>173981983
They didn't drop directly into combat in Normandy

>>173982061
>drop right next to enemy barracks

>>173981852
Makret Garden dropzones where relatively uncontested. The problems started long after the 1st drops were condicted.

>>173981858
Same with Pegasis.
Brit Paras seized the bridge long before significant german troops showed up.

Dropping paratroop forces ontop of divisional formations DID NOT HAPPEN after the Battle of Crete for obvious reasons. It does not fit the game.

>>173982221
>capture the barracks
>begin producing infantry in their base and behind their lines
Shit was cash.

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This game rapes my craptop

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>>173982116
Delet this.

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>>173982379
>housefire

cant make this up

>>173982570
Reminder that armored 88 platforms are not yet ingame, and will likely change the meta significantly.

>>173980461
hello eog
when will ccp uninstall tengoos

>>173982116
jagdpanthers were 260 or 270 iirc and no tank was a match for them in the beta, you just attackmoved them forwards ignoring even planes

>>173982798
>270 phase C
Panzer Lehr gets 1vet KingTiger at 380 in Phase B.

Zionist tears soon.

>>173982798

wtf I assume they're going to up that price with at least a 100 points.

270 is less than a Panther G which is well, uh a mighty foe but certainly no Jagdpanther, at least versus hard targets.

>>173982946
What is the fuck point of Phases then?

>>173982946
>>173983143
It's probably just my memory being off by 100 points then. I can't find a screenshot right now to confirm.

>>173983519
It's so slow that by the time it has reached the frontlines it'll be probably already phase C.

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>>173983653

Is Strat29 /ourguy/

>>173983519
Scale.
It doesn't mean you can't have a high risk snowflake unit here and there.

play MoW with me NOW

What's in the patch, my dudes?

>>173985353
All patches so far have just been bugfixing.

Expect new map(s) and possibly divisions next week.

>>173985353
boring bugfixing

>>173985451
>next week
French fucks wasting my long weekend

>>173986121
Eugen never do Friday releases.

>>173983781
if you're into australian chinks with terrible accent then i guess...

>playing MoW
>Beating enemy team that has the host on it
>one of them rage quits right before we win
>hhost ends game for """balance""""
>round 2
>start losing
>one of our guys quits mid game
>ask him to end game
>"you get his points so its fair"

>>173967836
Aurora 4x?

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Why doesn't Armored Rifles have a BAR? Is that historical? Is Eugene retarded? I'm legitimately not sure.

>tfw no good games with a Chechen war atmosphere

>>173991823
I suspect the Inf division yanks will have BARs in their infantry

>>173991823
at this point in the war, yeah, I'm pretty sure the army should have one BAR per squad. hopefully the 2nd infantry gets them, at least.

if/when we get the pacific, marines should get 3 per squad.

I just got my Panther killed by one of the Calliope's rockets. Ask my anything.

>>173992696
Why did you buy a Panther?

>>173992692
I was curious if mechanized infantry didn't get it because it was too fuckhueg for the tracks, but it's more likely Eugene a shit

>>173993143
BARs are only like 4 inches longer than M1s, so that shouldn't really be an issue.

eugene just a shit. total of 4 MGs between panzergrenadiers and their half-track, with only one for the whole army rifles package.

>the closest representation in SD of a proper British platoon would be three rifles, a rifle leader and a 2 inch mortar squad
>every platoon had a 2 inch mortar
>britain was a mortar spammer irl

>4v4 total victory because there was a huge gap in the map where there was just no Germans

We won before phase C

>>173965775
Singleplayer only. Yuck.

How the fuck are you supposed to counter veteran tiger as Soviets in vanilla Men of War?

>>173998393
Arty to immobilise, try and get a flank shot, if you're out of range use some sort of object like a tree and line that up with the tank.

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So these WG RD Single player campaigns... are they actually dynamic? Are they any good at all? Sometimes I don't feel like waiting for a multiplayer game but also don't want to play Skirmish.

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Wehrababbies btfo

>>173999352
It's alright, though all you have to do is figure our the way the AI behaves and then you can pretty much win every match with zero casualties. The most challenging is the british one, mainly because their units suck.

Have the devs given any info on what other divisions they will be adding to the game? More importantly, will one of the British divisions be getting access to Firefly's? That thing gets my dick hard and I don't want to have play the krauts just to use one.

>>174000053
Yeah, coldstream guards arnoured division

>>174000053

Shamelessly cribbed from the Paradox forums:

Allies
101st Airborne (American) (Devblog: http://www.eugensystems.com/steel-division-normandy-44-division-of-the-week-101st-airborne-us/ )
6th Airborne (British) (Mentioned by Devs, also in VIP Beta http://www.eugensystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/6thairborne.png )
3rd Canadian Infantry (Devblog: http://www.eugensystems.com/steel-d...n-of-the-week-3rd-canadian-infantry-division/ )
1st Polish Armored (Mentioned in Press)
2nd French Armored ( http://www.warlegend.net/wp-content/uploads/Steel_Division_Normandy_44_Screenshot_01.png )
15th Infantry (British/Scottish) (In Open Beta)
2nd Infantry (American) (from Stream yesterday http://i.imgur.com/rp9wR0w.jpg )
3rd Armoured (American) (In Open Beta)
1st Guards Armoured (British) (In EGX Stream last week)

Axis
12th SS Panzer 'Hitlerjugend' (In Open Beta)
21st Panzer (Devblog: http://www.eugensystems.com/steel-division-normandy-44-division-of-the-week-21-panzerdivision/ )
Panzer Lehr (In EGX Stream)
116th Panzer 'Windhund' ( http://www.eugensystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/116.png )
352nd Infantry (Confirmed by Devs/In Closed Beta)
716th Infantry (in EGX Stream)
17th SS Panzergrenadier 'Gotz von Berlichingen' ( https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...sion-speculation.1006726/page-6#post-22626964 )
3rd Fallschirmjager Division (Devblog: http://www.eugensystems.com/steel-division-normandy-44-3-fallschirmjager-division/ )
91st Luftlande Division (in Open Beta)

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Why are all other decks so shit /wgg/?

>Americans have no good tanks, mediocre infantry, no anti-tank tab at all
>12. SS infantry costs more with no vet stars lul
>Mom told me if I didn't have anything nice to say, not to say anything; so I can't discuss the Luftlande

also r8 and h8 my deck m8

>>174000304
unfucked link for the canadians
http://www.eugensystems.com/steel-division-normandy-44-division-of-the-week-3rd-canadian-infantry-division/

The tri-polstens are the best AA for killing aircraft, anything that flies over two is a guaranteed kill.

>>174000442
I replaced my Churchill IV and VI with command Churchills, since 15 front armour for only 25 points more than the VI and they won't die so you don't need more than 1 per card

>>174000786
That's why I have phase B crocodiles, because they're identical to command Churchills but come two-to-a-card and have a flammen.

>>174000948
I've taken AVRE instead for 20 armour since I'm big on my infantry pushes, I count on AT guns to get tanks mostly if i've positioned them well enough

>http://www.eugensystems.com/steel-division-normandy-44-division-of-the-week-3rd-canadian-infantry-division/
>half the article is about one french canadian who didn't get his coffee and took out that frustration on nearby germans and/or chinamen
Will Leo Major be a unit

pls

pls eugene

>>173973650
It doesn't have the same heart that COH has in its unit barks, but there is enough there that you will hear them when you're not in the middle of combat, and not so overbearing that they get annoying when shit hits the fan.
>tfw jadgpanzer doesn't say he hates you

>>174001413
His entire story is probably fabricated, considering how impossible most of it is.

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>>174001802
no

french canadians are the most powerful race on earth

>>174001413
In the deluxe edition, it's a skin for the Sniper Scout of the 3rd CID.

>>173973650
as US

shit ton of fury references and shit
>best job I've ever had
>this is wardaddy to red leader
>knock off the negative waves

>>174002042

We'll get unit barks DLC, that's exactly the sort of thing Paradox would dish out.

>>174000442
>luftlande
>shit

literally spam airstrikes on enemy tanks and cause them to sperg off the map while your elite infantry evaporate enemy stacks

>>173998735

If you are playing Soviets you have to keep up the pressure way before that, and make sure you don't play maximum open maps which are totally german favoured.

If you play something like Village Boccage you can defeat a Tiger with a sneaky T-34-57, and if that fails, by the time they get veteran tiger you should try and buy an IS-2 if possible, but IS-1 also has a fairly good chance if you don't fight at maximum range.

But the best counter is good infantry micro management, a sneaky 70 point AT team will kill any veteran tiger with a nice side shot, so use those buildings and lines of fire to your advantage.

>>174000304
Thanks for the links!

>>174000724
I'm really suprised wirberwind are so crap. I've put two close to each other and they weren't able to kill a single plane throughout whole mission. 88mm on the other hand did pretty well.

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>reddit
>"12. SS is playing with a serious handicap"
>"3rd armored is better than 15th infantry, and their infantry are some of best in beta"

>>174000442
Luftlande can be really, really nasty
12.SS is not good everywhere, you need some open spaces to shine e.g.winning Collombines 1vs1 size map against good Scots player is extremally hard but on 2vs2 and bigger things start to suddenly look much better.

Why are AT weapons so shit in vanilla Men of war?

The PIAT in Robz is a godsend
The PIAT in vanilla needs to get within spitting range

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Where do I get Command & Conquer Generals and C&C Generals Zero Hour for free? I tried the top one on Pirate Bay and it gives a 'serious error'?

>retard gets totally rolled on my flank
>yelling at him constantly and giving him whatever I can
>he pushes back but it's way too late
>"next time have more confidence in your teammates"
>lose on score even after I push us to a +4
>he's broken even at 1K / 1K
>I'm at 5K / 1K

You are why I don't have confidence in my teammates, retard

Both of the German divisions suck fucking dick at Phase A and B

What wargames have the best representation of Urban combat?

Or the most fun one at leas

>>174005931
t. wehraboo

>>174005005
PIAT was shit and all handheld AT weapons in ww2 had a laughable range.

>>174005965
Men Of War AS2

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>>174006037
>implgyin
I mostly play the Scots, the only thing that stops me from rolling the 12th is the Firefly, if I take it out the other guy might as well leave. Meanwhile Luftlande is a free game every time.

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>literally just fucking realized BAR's aren't in the game

what in the fuck?

redpill me on Bren teams

>>174007638
don't

>>174007732
Why not? Seem like they're just a couple extra MGs to bundle with a couple of rifle sections

MG42 in Robz mod is a fucking laser beam.

Not even the tripod ones, just a regular guy standing up and hipfiring his fucking MG42 killed 8 of my prone men before I had to pull them back. Why are wehraboos allowed to make mods?

>>174008158
>just a guy standing up and hip firing MG killed 8 men prone

Im calling shenanigans anon, unless they were all right there or something. They aren't that accurate

>>174007974
5 men is just too little for a front line infantry squad imo. though they are fairly cheap i don't think they are enough cheaper than rifles to justify the risk of taking them.

>>174008889
but 2 brens

>>174007638
I haven't used them much, but according to the stat cards they should be pretty good with a rifle squad or two in front of them. They should, barring hidden stats, do more damage and suppression than a rifle squad at over 100m, but have no SMG, so they're a lot worse at 100m or less.

Having half the health is a big downside, but it might be worth taking a card, especially since they're cheaper and don't lose any availability.

>>174008949
i know, i want to like them too, but most of the time i do i feel like taking a vickers would help more

>>174007638
mg teams are ok for decks whose line infantry is expensive and doesn't come with an ifv; that's it

Whoever told me to use Humber recce last night, thank you

>>174005876
>be playing wunderwaffe
>push easy early game after a few luck scouts fin the enemies anti tank and recon vehicles
>pushing through with AT infantry and using smoke to keep pushing the allied armored vehicles back
>get to the enemies spawn with the use of AA and air strikes
>meanwhile some retard who hasn't brought a single piece of AA is getting steamrolled on my right
>"help!"
>send in air strike to destroy enemy armor and carrier spam, but because no friendly AA lose a ton of aircraft
>"help"
>this time enemy is sending armored columns through the town and destroying his shitty engineer spam
>welp, send 2 falsch to the enmies flank and hide them in the woodline
>two enemy cromwells crawl forward and get ambushed, while my reinforcements of marder and panzer commander spam counter attack the shitty remainder of the enemies armor
>clear the flank, push through and secure it to win the game
>"I didn't think AA was that important in ww2"

cunts, still, I fucking adore the wunderwaffe because of the opportunities you have to support your team and completely fuck over the enemy

>turn woodland and orchards into Vietnam killzones
>hide men in the trees and wipe out enemy supply columns
>enemy armor push? welp here's some BF spam to keep you panicking
>oh, you want to spam arty on me? well heres some arty counter spam
>enemy infantry and carrier push on your allies flank? well here's 4 bombing runs to pin those fuckers down

once you get into a decent forested area it's pretty fucking impossible for the allies to get you out, then you just smoke and push and they have no choice but to withdraw

>>174009714
>wunderwaffe

>>174009934
compared to the scots "fuck my shit up with cheap shitty infantry units with no decent armor or antitank capabilities up" battlegroup it's a wunderwaffe

>>174010136
>no decent armor or antitank capabilities up
*Command Churchill with Challengers and 17lbr AT guns you*

>>174010305
"ambushes you with AT infantry, air strikes your 17lbr and smoke shells your armor to cover my advance"

>>174010641
>implying any werhababby is that smart

speaking of 17 pdrs
>Playing as UK in Robz
>Some wehraboo calls in a King Tiger
>load APDS round in 17 pdr
>pen his turret from max range
>hook the gun up to a truck and move it back
>let him push him up
>max range one shot kill
>rages in broken english about UK being overpowered
Out of everything in this game I hate, it is the wehraboos whose names are German Divisions or leaders that refuse to play a game if they cant be Germany

>>174005776
First Decade torrent.

>>174010872
sorry, I meant
"frontally charges you over open ground with infantry spam and flys aircraft over enemy AA indefinitely trying to air strike your spawn"

>>174011203
That's pretty much in line with what everyone playing Luft does.

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>>174009583
ayy

just keep plugging nazis with that 15mm and we're even

>>174011543
Been getting an awful lot of games where German players leave huge gaps in their lines.

I just leave a Humber somewhat near the recce squad so it can roll round the corner, dick on a group of infantry and run away. It's magical.

Are Assault Pioneers worth using? Does their TNT fuck shit up as much as I hope it will? They should be great for gaining the upper hand in urban fighting, no?

>>174012653
good in cities and/or forests for clearing inf

instakills them most of the time

>>174012653
nah they're useless when you can just spawn airstrikes in an urban fight instead

>>174012653
engineers/pioniers are probably worst in 15th infantry. they tend to be close-range murdersquads, but rifles are already good at close range, and the 15th's version of pioniers is only 5-man, which makes it harder for them to make it to TNT range. plus, they only carry 1 bomb, when others carry 2.

being able to instantly nuke a squad is still powerful, but I dunno if the 15th's version is worth the slot.

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Fuck me, just got out of a short war with the British and my funding got cut by 40 million due to peace so now my budget is imploding. I'll stop enhanced training which will give 1.7 million, but I'm going to have to free up like 3 million in maintence from scrapping and mothballing and hope the finance ministry doesn't hate me for going into the red in 2 months since I absolutely can't halt construction on 2 new modern battle ships that will be done in 2 months. I welcomed the extra war funding but now I sort of fucked myself.

>>173991428
I played against him on comebelles, 91.LL pushing against the town in the fields. His 3rd Armored raped my ass :(

>>174000442
3rd Armored is shit? News to me. You just need to make the best use of your M3 HTs so that their MGs can support your rifles, use your tanks to smash light units and to then be bait for ATG ambushes. Arty and Air for breaking up enemy attacks and defenses. Fighting late game Panther spam can be a challenge, but you should be winning the game already by the time Phase-C kicks off.

>>174013989
>want to play this game
>can never figure out how to design a good ship

So is Steel Division good?

Will there ever be a mac version?

>>174013989
Remember to keep all you ASW/CP ships in Mothballs outside of wars, they don't need the high training standards anyway and it'll save you a bit of money, especially if you've got a huge MS/Obsolete DD fleet.

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>>174015090
>playing games on a normie PC

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>>174016152

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>>174014834
The auto-design does a decent enough job, I just change a few small things like caliber or amount of armor before sending the designs into production. Only problem is the auto-designer likes to create illegal ships in the beginning so you have to correct mistakes yourself. Pic related is my first ship more like abomination I've designed all by myself, about to send into production and hope that it doesn't completely shit itself in combat. My idea is that it speeds into combat at 25 knots and fucks enemy ships up with it's large and accurate guns before the enemy actually scores a hit against my shit armor.
>>174015540
How important is quality for guns? Would it be better to have a 12 inch with 3 quality or 13 inch with 0 quality?

>>174017082
imho this is a shitty design

I don't know what tech you have though so it might be the best with what you have

can you upload the game somewhere I lost my pirated copy when I reinstalled my computer

>>174017082
Gun quality only goes from -2 to 1 I believe, and it depends on the calibre and your shell tech exactly how they compare. But in your given example, which would essentially be a 12 in 1 vs a 13 in -2, the 12 is definitely the better option by far. Once it gets to a 0 vs a 1 though, or a -1 vs a 0, you'll need to look at the Gun Data yourself and make your own call.

As for that design, it's too big for a CA that early in the game, and too lightly armoured for a ship its size. Decrease the gun calibre to 8 or 10 in, stick the main battery in twin turrets, bring the secondaries to 6 inch (guns larger than 6 inchest suffer penalties when targeting small vessels like DDs) and put them in double turrets as well if you can, then either downsize the ship or give it more armour.

>>174017275
m e g a . n z/#!XEEniBjJ!B31cu6o3Sqzx1spG0U4ANsI2EqeJj5OmRL54r8g4CWg
It came in this zip I got from Rutracker. I installed it a few days ago and my computer doesn't have any viruses so it's probably safe.

>>174017838
you are truly the greatest ally

as for quality, yes, a 12"/3 gun will shit all over a 13"/0 gun. There's a way to check it but I forget how, I'll get back to you.

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>>174017082
>>174017751
Threw together a super quick example of what I'm talking about, and >>174018232 you can check using the Gun Data button.

>>174018451
i only upgrade -1 to +1, 0 to +1 doesnt usually seem worth it to me considering the cost

>>174018826
meant to reply to
>>174017082

>>174018826
Depends on the vessel, the extra weight savings of a lower cal +1 can be really nice to have especially in smaller ships or more heavily armoured BBs, like I often end up with pseudo KGVs if I get 14 in +1s but only +0 15s because they they hit almost as hard but have higher RoF, lighter weight and can free up tonnage for armour and shells.

>>174018451
>>174018923
Does leaving the ship with some spare weight affect anything or should I be trying to maximize weight and use as much as possible without going over? Just realized there's a manual so I'm reading through.

>>174019203
it can help with flotation if you get hulled, and leaves room for further modernizations for fire control and whatnot later

>>174019203
Up to you, spare weight will make rebuilds/refits easier as there will be free tonnage to put more advanced FCS and the like in, but building with absolute efficiency keeps initial cost and size down and rebuilds can generally find somewhere to cut weight from afterwards. It also offers some extra flotation durability, but not a whole lot.

>>174017838
>>174018232
Just realized it's the 1.22 version, so you'll have to get the 1.30 update

Found this dude playing a german campaign in GTMF while I was looking for guides. Posting just in case anyone's interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdxV-KliaFs

>>174019631
>YOU MUST ENTER YOUR RtW SERIAL NUMBER TO INSTALL THE UPDATE
wat do

>>174019939
I installed it just now and used the serial code that came with the ZIP, 71PZ1L-3UNMNM6J-BRJ5B21

>finally get into 1v10 Colombelles
>game crashes 30 seconds after deployment

fucking kill me now

does anyone else get crashes or disconnects like every other match?

>>174019928
you sound like a total dork.

is red orchestra 2/rising storm/rising storm 2 allowed in here?

if not where is the proper general

>>174021737
No, not welcome

There is no general for them sorry bud

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fuck yea /wgg/ is back

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>>174021306
I dont know what you mean but you're probably right.

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Welcome back old friend

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>>174021862
maybe some day :(

>>174000304
Knowing Paradox, how many of those are DLC?

>>174023631
None. Those are the confirmed launch day divisions.

>>174023631
Those? They'll all be in the base game.

Anything after that? 100% will be DLC.

They've basically been handed carte blanche by the fanbase to add the US 4th Armored just to put Hellcats in the game.

How can you tell how accurate different artillery units are? They don't show a number anymore.

>>174024336
They're all the same

>killing a command panther with a single round from a 6-pdr

oh what a great moment

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I thought naziboos were a meme

jesus christ

>that feel when a group of outdated light cruisers sent out to sit around at colonies sink a modern 35k tonnage modern British battleship that had 4 destroyers for escort and single-handedly gives you the VP to win the war.
Rule the Waves is fun.

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I don't know anything about wargames besides what I've read in this thread.
What would be a good game to start with?

>>174029170
Wargames is such a broad topic you should specific what your looking for. Wargame: Red Dragon or Men of War is good start for real-time strategy, for turn-based I guess Panzer Corp or Panzer General.

>>174029560
I've played some Panzer General II. I'll check out the other two.

>>174029625
Slitherine publishes a good amount of niche turn-based games ranging from Pike and Shot to modern day if that interests you. They're a bit too pricey though imo so I usually pirate their stuff.

>>174029170
Good free wargame is Steel Panthers WW2 or MBT

Does anyone know if the 1st polish armoured regiment had fireflies?

>>174031950
http://scholars.wlu.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1385&context=cmh

Doesn't look like it.
Looks like mostly Cromwells and Sherman Vs, lots of medium armor. They also had Crusaders AAVs with twin 20mms.

>>174032828
>Not adding another panel with the refund game option

>>174033253
>shitter detected

>>174033871
>defending this kuso game

>2 guys with le harambe meme names joins game and play support while leaving a massive gap in our lines and forcing me to go 1v2 + the enemy teams plane shitter.
Haha epic

>>173982798

Jagdpanthers were 300 points in the VIP beta with 22 front armor and 23 AP.

t. actually played the VIP beta.

>>174034723
What the fuck that is so OP.

CHECK GATES OF HELL STEAM COMMUNITY PAGE, THEY ARE GIVING AWAY EARLY ACCESS KEYS

>>174035187
i ain't seein shit

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>>174034887
cmd m5a1 will find away to kill it

holy shit man this fucking tank

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>there are people in this thread that don't think 12. SS is so horribly overpowered it breaks the game

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>>174036475
>reee the panther is useless ;-; t. shitters

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[screams internally]

>>174036686
How the fuck do you kill it.

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>>174036621

The only players losing panthers are the absolute retards that need a helmet.

>>174036797
plain train

>>174036686
>King Tiger
>same armor as the Jumbo
fucking what?

>no red tails in the mustangs
fuck this shitty game

>>174037215
jumbo was 100mm sloped
kingtiger was 120mm sloped

they probably reworked the armor values because thats a old screenshot

>>174037215

Tbh senpai any armor past 18 is already enough to cuck the allies to an almost criminal degree, since the highest penetration available to allied decks will be 17AP with the 17 pounder.

That Tiger II H can just sit at 1200m and plink at any allied tank or AT gun with 0% chance of being killed, it can close in to 800m and only has a 2% chance of being penetrated by a 17 pounder. I seriously do not understand how the allies will be able to compete.

>>174037704
would be nice if they actually cared about the fact that allies had complete air superiority to the point that Germans couldnt even move troops when the sun was up without getting attack

>>174037704
arty and planes

also thats just frontal armor, any AT gun/medium tank/light tank will be able pop it from the sides and its fucking 380 points = no money for supporting units

>>174037910

You're ignoring the fact that the IrisZoom engine lets every unit in the game know the position of every other unit in the game to calculate the appropriate facing. So when your camouflaged unit starts aiming at the enemy tank it will instantly snap to face you before you can get your shot off. The only way to shoot the sides of enemy tanks is to have multiple tanks engaging the same target at once from multiple directions; Considering the 7 accuracy and 2 veterancy stars, the Tiger II has a 72.22% chance of hitting its first shot. No allied unit will be able to keep it engaged long enough for a second unit to flank it.

>>174037910

Planes cannot reliably kill enemy armor, i tested 15 runs of a plane train made up of 2 P-47s and 4 P-38s and it only managed to kill the enemy tank (BEF Panzer IV) in one of those runs.

>>174038264
Timing a arty strike and using hold fire could negate that, in some situations a king tiger will be unstoppable but others it will be driven back with ease.

Its 380 points, they would have to save for 3-4 minutes. What competent player would allow them to save for that long? This game is about always applying pressure and exploiting weakness.

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>>174036475
Take your Firefly and shove it up your ass. CMD M5A1 is bae.

>>174038497

It seems you haven't played the game enough or just plain suck at it, since i'm 40 hours into the beta and i constantly have 500+ points to spend before phase C rolls around. I never had a match where i wanted to buy a unit but couldn't due to not having enough points saved up.

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>>174038513
>2 fireflies

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>>174038513

The shit accuracy makes it an incredibly frustrating tank to use, since that 27% CTH on the first shot cripples it badly due to not being able to hit side shots before the enemy can turn around and delete your crew, but occasionally it will do some funny shit.

>>174038583
Okay, what if they balance the king tiger by making phase A for that division compete ass?

>>174038761
hmm i agree it should be 2 cards of vet 2 King Tiger in Phase A

>>174038761

Phase A for Panzer Lehr is complete ass, they have no tanks and no veteran AT guns, each card of infantry is just 3x and they only have air superiority fighters. The only decent unit they get is the Puma in the recon section with the 50mm gun. So as long as the german player manages to not get completely BTFO'd back to his spawn in phase A he can stomp the allied player all the way back to Britain when phase B rolls around.

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>>174038946
but by then shouldn't the allies already know the KT meta and be prepared?

What are the best wargames that let me play as Japan?
Imperial japan preferred, but modern or cold war is fine too

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>>174039916
Rule the waves, pic related.

>>174040105
I cant figure out the shipbuilder for that though

>>174011053
Yeah lol, half of them has nicknames like Rommel or Guderian accompanied with some fancy picture. Another half of them never even pushes properly because they are afraid to lose their shiny polished tiger II that they have been pilling up cash for the whole game

>>174040231
Not a problem, the IJN couldn't either.

>>174040473
When tthey win, they will say gg and call you pussy when you quit the lobby post-game without saying anything

Meanwhile if you kill a Veteran Tiger or King Tiger there is a 50/50 chance of them quitting in the next 10 seconds

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>>174040759

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>>174036686
>Only 1 MG

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>>174041395

>>174042343
LOL what a fag.

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Remember, if you see a balance thread just pop in and tell them to l2p. It is the duty of anyone who isn't a shitter.

>>174036686
Anon, you have 380 points
>King Tiger, Praised be It's Name
>reasonable tank, a group of infantry to support it, recon, and a fucking mortar squad
Choose wisely

>drop half ton of bomb on tank
>nothing happens

HE is useless on armor no matter how much there is?

>>174042753
The problem actually is them just not getting a direct hit on the tank, they explode around them but yea i've lost panthers to heavy bombers before.
>>174042590
The king tiger would win a straight up engagement with that, besides, in phase C you should already have those things.

I am missing the purpose of pz.schreck, pz.grenadiers come with AT too and do not take one of your 3 anti tank card spots

>>174043286
You don't really need it, you need those slots for AT guns.

>>174043286
more range, more ammo

although the 2 strength makes them useless

>>174043286
They come with armored vechicle that has 5 AP, higest of all german vechicles in phase A (20mm guns have AP 4).

>>174038372
yeah the beta strategy vs jagdpanthers was to send two planes from different directions, which obviously is a bit impractical

>>174043286
It's a standard unit that comes in every deck but not all of them need it, like MG teams. Some decks don't have enough infantry AT or only have it in phase B.

>>174042753
I'll tell you about WRD since it's likely they haven't changed it. In WRD HE bombs could be fairly damaging to tanks but only if they land in the right spot. You could kill a t-80UK with a B-5 by landing it behind, the issue was that HE diminishes quickly so especially with smaller bombs it wasn't really possible to fire pos and hit close enough yet on the correct side against a moving target.

But bombers had an accuracy stat that was used if you right click a target instead of targeting the ground. A bomber with 20% acc would have 20% chance for each of its bombs to snap to the top of the target, regardless of how the target is moving. There was a unique plane, the intruder, that had 40% accuracy and would reliably take 70-100% of a tank's health in one drop of 12x227kg, where all other iron bombers only did like 30% despite bringing payloads like 30x250kg [but with much smaller accuracy].

The point is, make sure to right click on the tank instead of targeting ground. But I doubt it will make a big difference except for specific planes.

>3v3
>Autist picks the Scots
>Buys nothing but infantry
>Places them ALL in a single town far away from the frontline
>Sits there all game long without anyone ever attacking him
>"I'M DUG IN"
>Game was conquest

How BAD can you get at a videogame? Is this the kind of people that "easy" difficulties get made for?

>>174031950
The poles should have fireflies but should have tanks in smaller quantities than the British. Polish squadron of tanks was total 16 tanks with 4 Fireflies whereas the Brits were total 19 tanks with 4 Fireflies.

However they should also have Achilles with 17pdrs as well as towed 17pdrs.

>forum whining about 21 armour not being enough for the KT

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>>174031950

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More Birtish Tanks when?

>>173962383
>when the germans try to push but your spam of armored carriers and stuarts fucks them up