Etrian Odyssey General

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>slut edition
you had one job

OH GOD WHY DOES THE JAPAN ONLY DIRECT SHOWCASEING ARMS AND SPLA2N NOT SHOW A GAME THAT ALREADY CAME OUT THERE AND
oh someone already for first post

fuck it

Worst pic of worst girl.

>>173824862
>worst girl
But we thankfully still don't have a nene thread

>>173824862
Remove yourself from this planet.

>>173825427
t. ninja boy

>no EOV in direct
>feel like the only fag that expected it
>decide to turn to blow and hookers instead of this Etrian Odyssey bullshit
>???
>Profit?

torever

>>173826142
>feel like the only fag that expected it
You were the only one who expected it
Fool. I thought I warned you

>10 needle tails to get Pierce Amulet
>they appear in floors 19 and 20
>very rare
>cant autoattack the random encounters
>cant possibly know which areas of the floor theyre more likely to appear

sometimes this game sucks

>>173824297
>one screen
>enhanced

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E3 is my last holdout for hope for EO5.

I been memeing to pass the time and eventually using it to cover up my true sadness.

But I really... I need.. I am tired of hoping for EO5 US release date.

E3 is the last bastion of what is left of... hope.

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>>173827314
We all know by now that they don't give a fuck anymore about EO.
Only shitsona.

>>173826996
Jesus christ this is fucking gross, I need freaking 20 battles just to find one of the mobs that drop that

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All you have to do is reach the top of Yggdrasil to obtain EOV.
That is the legend passed down by EOPians.

Remaking an EO game in gmae maker or something is actually harder than it sounds when taking things like shop, items, quests and 3D field into account.

>>173831834
Why are you remaking EO in gamemaker?
Please post progress so far.

>>173832003
I'm only brainstorming.
It would be impossible to do it all alone.
Programming would need to be utilized, which I don't have.
It would be nice to learn the skills need. if I had a team to work/learn together with.
I mean we have the assets all we need to do is take care of the back end and the 3D dungeon

>>173832325
You can't do a worse job than EO2 which checked the status of every active quest on every step iirc.

I finally kicked Warped Savior's ass and am done with EOIV.
Now I can back to postponing Claret Hollows in EOU.
Seriously that stratum is fucking bullshit barely finished 26F and then 27F is even gayer, fuck whoever designed this.

>>173831834
>>173832325
make EO that plays itself

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>>173832994

>>173824329
O-Oh my.

>>173833325
i miss that screensaver

>fucking sand horn is all that i need for 100% the game
now that's bullshit, couldn't they make bosses respawn in a week

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Etrian odyssey hot spring dlc when

>tfw 3 was the last entry that wasn't horrible
Why did it go so wrong

>>173831441
>picnic classic mode
>get EOV in 20 hours
psh.

>>173832435
Oh wow I didn't know that.

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>>173835025

How good are the Ronin, Dark Hunter and Troubadour in EOU?

I want to rape a masurao (male)

>>173840373
Ronin is the best they've been, which is to say still weaker than other melee classes, but usable.
Dark Hunter is great, they're useful throughout and throw out huge numbers in the late game with ecstasy.
Troubadour is also very good since dances are party-wide in EOU.

>>173840873
>still weaker than other melee classes
They've only ever been weaker than shit like DH. Everything else they outdo

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>>173840536

>>173840873
>>173841156
Well I'm currently trying to build a team for EOU but I'm kinda stuck, not really sure what to pick.
I'd rather avoid landshark since I already used it for EOIV, and I guess Protector and Medic are a must, started thinking I could replace Medic with Troubadour but I don't think that will work out.
So I was thinking.
Ronin, Hexer or Dark Hunter(which would be better?), Alchemist, Protector and Medic.
Would that work?

>>173841972
EO 1 and 2 landsharks are totally different from the ones on IV. Though I find them pretty boring to use with the exception of EO2U.

>>173841156
Yeah, Ronin's always been pretty good in terms of being one of the hardest hitting melee classes in terms of consistent damage compared to the the burst that is DH.

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>>173851101
>Lv 1 Hawk

What's special about May 20?

>>173852740
EO 10th anniversary stream.
...four months after the series 10th anniversary.

>>173852740
Localization announcement and EO3U

>>173853184
>EO is 10 years old

holy shit time flies

Which level for the post-game bosses in EO3? The 3 dragons, Elder Dragon, Alraune, Kraken, The other one, Abyss God, etc

Alright. Those fucking weebs got Persona 5, now when do we get Etrian Odyssey 5?

>>173854321
After the other niche games no one ever heard of get released, then they'll think about it.

>>173853446
I will sacrifice 10 maidens in praise if that would be true.

>>173853184
Oh sweet. Here's hoping for 3U.

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I like how there was lots of english in the first trailer.
And it seems like the story really changed in the final product.

>>173855015
https://youtu.be/NHbWGrYa_-E

How are we supposed to figure out conditionals for bosses without looking up online, again?

>>173855015
Looking at EOIV and the EOV announcement it seems like the EO has ambitions beyond their budget and platform of choice.

How would you compare EO4 to 3? Which is better in which ways? I dunno if I should move up to other series in my backlog or start EO4 today/tomorrow

>>173856041
I was expecting a lot more out of EOV with a trailer like that honestly, especially since the placeholder subtitle, shidou, means activation

>>173856230
EO IV has better balance and an expanded overworld map that is better integrated into the rest of the game. EO III is better in every other way. Especially shopkeepers.

>>173856848
What other ways, exactly?

>>173856923
Soundtrack, difficulty, dungeons.

Anyone ever tried a Shogun build using these commanding skills of theirs?

>>173855779
Try shit out.
Boss conditionals are usually for post-game gear and by that point you should be able to crush most bosses easily.
At least I think that is their internal justification for once again telling the player jack shit.

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No love for Nadica?

>>173857039
>>173856923
>>173856848
>>173856230
EO3 is overrated, the only good thing is the Limit system, all these extra bosses are kinda pointless because you'll only have the level for it once you're done with the entire labyrinth anyway. So the post-game content is pretty much

6th stratum > dragons/optional bosses > abyssal god

So once you're done with the 6th stratum, the only thing left is to beat all the bosses with no real gameplay between it

>>173857039
I prefer EO4's soundtrack to the older FM tracks.
Especially the CD versions, which sound great.

>>173858695
There are some really weird ones, like killing Narmer with only 1 team member, I'd never figure that out without gamefaqs.

>>173858212
No one has had the courage to try.

>>173841972
Troubadour can substitute a Medic without much problem.
For the beginning they have Restful Tune as a really cheap out of battle heal. If you need heal in battle thrwoing Medicas would be enough (and it should not be necessary that often).

After a few floor you get a food called Elderevenge unlocked.
It restores some HP and TP whenever a character attacks an enemy.
Together with the Troubadours Echoing Rondo which works once per turn and heals everyone besides the one that got heal from another source.
It sounds complicated but works like this: You have Elderevenge active and Echoing Rono on everyone.
Damage dealer A attacks an enemy. Elderevenge heals for a small amount of TP and HP.
Because of the HP heal Echoing Rondo triggers and heals everyone besides Damage dealer A for a good amount.
Damage dealer B attacks an enemy. Elderevenge also heals her for a small amount of TP and HP. Echoing Rondo triggers and heals damage dealer A since she was the only one that had not already been healed by it.
Anyone that attacks afterwards will get the small Elderevenge heal but Echoing Rondo will ignore them.

It's almost like spamming Salve every turn only the healing is a bit lower - but your Troubadour can still do other things and it doesn't cost nearly as much TP.

If you pick Hexer Dark Hunter is usally better because they shine if the enemy has a lot of binds which Hexer can help inflict.
But Troubadour and Ronin also have a positive interaction since Taboo Rondo can increase the duration of Ronin Stance skills.

>>173858212
>>173859043
It would probably work as a subclass, Shogun is so frail and offensive that it would be a waste of its stats to not use a damage build, but a tanky class like Prince or Hoplite who usually has many points to spare can do very well with this Shogun subclass build

>>173857039
EO3 really made me want to fight FOEs as soon as I thought I could handle them. Those fish in the water stratum that come in 3's were awesome. Just this song over and over until I died again and again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qF2ZyUFGHo&user=Banim

>>173858740
She's line Ricky except good

>can't find the one mob I'm missing in EO3 in the monstrous codex

It's between the Calamity God and the Mortal Hunter, any idea?

>>173860667
Just found out it was a FOE behind a moon door, nevermind

>>173854321
neVer eVer

>>173857039
>3
>good soundtrack
This meme again

>>173855779
By using an item/skill that shows monster info andthen deducing from item name

>>173862438
no

>>173853908
I don't know, looking back at the firxt EO it looks more like 20 years had passed.

Do you guys even make use of the Retirement mechanic? I can't remember the last time I felt the need to, even post-game bosses aren't usually worth the time to grind that much

>>173864254
I only used it in EO2U because afk grinding is so fucking fast there.
Overall I don't feel it's necessary but it can help since superbosses are usually assholes with fights that are not too fun.

How tanky are Sovereigns in EO2U? Are they good enough in a front line with no protector on expert?

>>173865804
No. Sovereigns are a backline unit.
Ignore their heavy armor, ignore their shield - armor is extremely weak in EOIII, EOIV and the Untolds.
VIT and HP is what it's all about, sadly.
In EOIII Princess had one of the highest VIT stats and good HP.
In EO2U Sovereign has subpar VIT and HP.
Even something like a Survivalist can deal better with being in the frontline.

Btw. War Magus on the other hand has really good VIT so they belong in the front.

>>173865996
My princess could do quite well hopping between lines. And certainly didn't suffer as much in the backrow as survivalist, for whatever reason.

>>173864254
Have fun beating superbosses without retirement
Also why waste exp when you get to 99 the first time, you barely lose anything by retiring

>>173866894
>why waste exp

nigga the new unit will be very low level, you lose a ton of time until it's just about as high leveled

>>173867085
And with endgame gear and added stats they can still challenge most pre-postgame stuff, losing the ability to fight endgame shit for a while is not much of a loss. No reason to not fight everything bar superboss (and weakened superboss in 4) then retiring and grinding back up to fight the superboss

What is the best way to transfer to ng+ in eou and eo2u? Specifically in eou, just map gladsheim entirely and get the katana and equip it to someone?

>>173867829
Don't forget the treasure chests.
There's some crammed in Gladsheim that you can't get to.

You're able to get pretty all the medals (excluding the beat-story-mode one) for EO2U on Classic.

Are you supposed to cheese the Elder Dragon in EO3? Idk how to beat it, I get it that it has weakness to all bindings and and starts the fight completely bound, but unless you beat it quickly, it will start getting bind resistance the more often you bind it.

Remove deer

>>173867829
In EO2U there is nothing you can miss in classic mode.
Everything that is needed for completion (except for "beat the game in classic" and "beat the game in story mode" of course) is in both modes.
So you can NG+ from one into the other whenever.

In EOU completion is impossible in classic even beyond the "beat the game in story mode" medal.
You need to map Gladsheim, get all codex entries in Gladsheim, get all materials in Gladsheim and get all treasure chests in Gladsheim - and then you need to get all treasure chests in the labyrinth.
Treasure chests don't get saved in NG+ so if you want that medal you need the Gladsheim chests so its story mode only.
If you want to go story first you would need to get deep into the 6th Stratum, find the last chests and only then NG+.
If you go classic first beating the game is enough.

Are EOU and EOU2 really better than the originals? Or is it just the Atlus "remake" where they add a bit of content and graphical updates and call it a day?

>>173869771
But is there anything else i may miss? Like maybe some good things that are one in a playthrough or stuff like buying and equipping the katana because either mats or katana will vanish else.
>>173869894
Both are completely rehauled and (arguably) much better to play.

>>173870025
What exactly are the differences between the originals and the remakes?

>>173870148
All classes are rebalenced, all maps are reworked (save a few remarkable locations especially in EOU such as the entrance and boss room layouts).
Quests have gotten a massive rework. Not only are there less fetch quests (although EOU still has a bit too much for my taste) they now also give experience.
Basically the only thing that is the same is the story (in classic mode - story mode has a far more developed story) and the same general asthetic for classes and the strata.
Oh and you have a massive amount of QoL improvements such as sidestepping, looking around, sprinting, faster animations, difficulty settings.

>>173870148
maps got rehauled, including enemy placements and tactics
All the new QoL changes like non-garbage skill tree, being able to gather without skills and whatever
Classes got rebalanced as well, OP stuff got nerfed to hell (no more revenge spam killing bosses in 3 turns), too good items removed as well like party wide status heals or revives. Basically rebalanced everything with new stuff like grimoires on top of it.

>>173870025
The best katana is the only piece of equipment worth anything you can miss. Gladsheim materials of course also make equipment but that's all low to midlevel stuff and not too important.

While it is possible to take your stock in the shop with you to NG+ I would advice against it. The game is just pretty boring if you have the best equipment unlocked right from the beginning.

So either keep the material of the very final story boss in your storage or buy the katana and put that in your storage.
You can take your inventory and storage with you to NG+. And even though you don't have immediat access to your storage it will all be there once you have.

Only in EOIV did you need to equip things to keep them for NG+.

>>173870465
Quests really didn't give exp in eo1 and 2? what was the point then, 5 Medicas?

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>>173871450
5
MEDICAS

>>173871450
Yep, you did them for the itme reward - and to get an objective that masks your grinding.
Overall XP was a bit harder to come by back then.
Which is why FOEs don't give XP in EOII - people used them to grind in EO and Atlus was having none of that.
People then instead used bosses to grind.

Now bosses give less XP in relation but missions and quests have you covered.
You easily get enough XP that you don't need to grind as long as you stick with one party and don't rest too much.

Please tell me they allow you to have more than 3 buffs in the sequels.

>>173872005
no
but eo2u at least shows the boss debuffs

>>173871626
How much grinding was required in the first two games? Part of what I like about the series is that it's very rarely necessary until the post-game unless you go nuts respecing.

>>173872342
You don't, but resting is more brutal and if you're playing blind and fuck up your party unknowingly it can be hard to get past some points in the games.

>>173872005
no, that's one of the key balances of the series

>>173872342
Resting costs 10 levels and experience is rather sparce.
If you do all the quests you will get enough XP usually. Quests are there to mask your grinding not in addition to grinding.

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With a voice like that, I bet Regina can draw pretty well.

>>173872840
How being a tsundere and drawing even realted

>>173872113
>>173872504
Well, do they clarify better what takes up a buff slot and what doesn't?

>>173873353
No?
The majority of buffs go into buff slot anyway and the rest can be memorised

>>173873353
i never found it unclear, if it lasts more than one turn it uses a slot

except for some skills in EO IV and V that get their own special slot, but in that case all the better for you

>>173873353
Everything takes up a buff slot unless it explicit does not.
The only ones I can think of are Blood Surge and Charge, which make sense.

>>173873985
It's an awful design and Himukai must be ashamed of it

>>173873985
blarg

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Coming August 31? Then can we expect localization for September 30 or will we have to wait until October?

>>173874072
At least flat chests are still a thing.

>>173874139
september 2019

>>173824329
Who died canonically between them?

>>173874490
both

>>173874183
Hey now, this is a Mystery Dungeon game, not an Etrian Odyssey one. This could actually happen timely.

>>173874490
You never hear of them again. So both.
The other probably jumped into the fishes when you were not looking.

>>173874490
Whoever it was I bet in EO3U story mode shit gets retconned into both surviving.
We probably even get some shitty Inn scenes with them like Hrothgar got.

>>173874530
>>173874585
>got ruined by a weak-ass FOE
Now that's heart breaking

>>173874490
>>173874585
But I remember you see one of them at the inn some time later, leaving Armoroad or some shit like that.

>>173874778
Zodiac and Ninja are terrible solo classes.

>>173875018
>tfw tried to solo run with ninja/monk nikudan+death heal strat
And I was so sure it will work

>>173874886
Sorry, Anon. It's all in your mind. She's gone.

I wish they did a better job explaining their skills, how i'm supposed to know accel drive is good judging on the ingame description?

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>>173875220

>>173875395
I wish nene follows this slut's example

Strong poison skills for player characters never ever again

>>173875905
I believe in EOV they scale with your level so they don't fall off nearly as hard in the late game.

>>173876478
I still want my spread venom throw of fuck random encounters again

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Friendzoned by Arianna.

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>>173877113
>being this beta than even videogame characters friendzone you

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>>173877257
Don't judge me!

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>>173877113
Arianna pls

>>173877113
Cute, Arianna tries shit-talking.
Her last line takes the joke too far, though.

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>>173877603
Arianna is always cute.

>>173869064
It doesn't get bind resistance. It's the only enemy to not have that mechanic.

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Also, I call bullshit on this recipe.

>>173877957
Petal Bridge stratum? There is more than one bird there.

>>173877957
You need cockatrice leg, it's on the last floor of the stratum

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>>173878024
>>173878080
I didn't remember at the time but the recipe shouldn't be so misleading. "bird leg" instead of "bird meat" would have done the trick.

>>173878237
I'm pretty sure it is because shit translation. A lot of shit is off with the cooking minigame

Equip effects are hilarious as fuck desu, it's fun to watch how level 1 characters can tank shit from 2nd stratum and fresh retired stuff can take red aura rarebreeds

>>173879526
Retired characters are completely overclocked. Not only the equipment but also the stats.
You start with some stats at level 1, not a single one of your stats reaches 99 naturally at level 99.
So ten stats in everything (assuming a level 99 retire) are worth more than ten levels.
Red Auras don't mean shit at this point.

>you'll never have a cute stick girl on your geomagnetic pole
>bunny sentinel will never eat your carrot
>you'll never let an imperial girl to use your drive blade
why live

>>173881671
Imperials are just normal humans in silly pants.
You are not missing much there.

>>173881854
Literally nothing wrong with that

>>173882045
No, nothing wrong.
But still no reason to put them on the same level as sticks and bunnygirls.

>Japs dislike EOU2 but like EMD
>Westerners like EOU2 but dislike EMD
Who has the better taste?

>>173882972
japs this time
surprisingly since their taste is generally shit

How good is the Touhou EO knockoff?

>>173883093
invisible/10

>>173882972
For the first time, westerners.

Who is more bullshit, primeevil, ur-child, abyssal god or no chemical warped saviour?

>>173884598
Abyssal God, no question.

>>173882972
They didn't dislike EOU2, they disliked the DLCs.

>>173884598
No chemincal warped is shit if you can recover your bar to stun him

remove pigs

Guys give me a fun party to use in U1 that has a landshrek, troubadour and hexer. I have some grimores for healing and elemental damage, so medic and alchemist are noy necessary.

>>173887963
dont talk about ricky like that

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>>173887963
>>173888650
I wonder who is behind those posts

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>>173888846

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>>173888846
Nice blame shift ricky

>>173892248
That hunchback in the top right corner...

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>>173891639

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>>173893463

arianna btfo

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>>173894426
delet

>>173894783
The ritual a hnudred years ago got messed up and the last Daughter of the Mark went missing - and now everyone thinks that's the way it has to be.
I'm still convinced the reason Arianna is like she is because no one bothered to teach her common sense since they believed she would die for the ritual anyways...

>>173895196
Which one of these is the one that has her crying and apologising over and over for involving Fafnir in her quest while he just thinks: "Bitch, have you seen how cool I look?"

>>173895921
first one

>>173895998
So "nice" means "occasionally annoying", thanks.

>>173896507
Literally nothing wrong with that
She's just a good girl and cares about her faaf, compare this with sideboob ghost who gives like zero fucks about Bertrand

>>173896806
Underboob ghost did exactly what Arianna wanted to do - keep her Knight out of it and shoulder the responsibility of the Black Guardian herself.
The only difference is that Fafnir could not be called back over his mother's death because he already is an orphan.

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Smoking weed and playing EO is sublime.
Without weed lall you see is a corridor, with weed you imagine all sorts of different things.

>>173897181
Faaf would probably stop her and do the job himself anyway (which is what happened)
>>173897426
neneposter pls

Is U2 doable without fafnir. I don't want to play story mode

>>173898437
yes

>>173898437
No anon the game is LITERALLY unbeatable on Classic Mode no matter what.

>>173898437
While Fafnir is utterly broken the rest of his party are supports and don't have too much damage.

Going through expert classic with a proper team is no problem at all.
Since you can make extreme broken combos (Dark Hunter + Hexer meme) it might even be easier that way.

>>173898636
>utterly broken
only with certain grimoires desu

>>173898437
story mode is cool this time around, give it a shot since there are more than 1 save file.

fafnir is neat and can wreck shit but not the bees knees.

reclassing is available from level 5 or something so you can have gunner flavio, medic arianna, alchemist chloe, etc

Also you can get all the grimoires you want from Fafnir from the pastebin if you so desire with the trading system

>>173898737
Accelerate on one of the highest damaging classes is enough and Extend does also help a great deal.
The Waves do almost as much damage as Compressed Jars and that without requiring a buff and food slot.

Even without complicated Grimoire skills erases Fafnir bosses in a few turns in a proper group.

>>173898636
>don't have too much damage.

Until Fafnir starts getting all his powers from the later strata bosses, ailing slash is the best damage you have

>>173899274
>in a proper group.
And that's the main problem - it takes a specifically tailored party and lots of axcela throwing unless you like fafnir being borderline deadweight for half the fight.

>>173855779
monster descriptions, analysis lenses, bar patrons, resistances

>>173899760
Yes, Chloes has some damage - but the group as a whole not.
Link Order will only take you so far and Survivalists never dish out that much damage unless you use Power Gel - and who would know do that on their first playthrough (or without looking everything up on the internet)?

>>173857039
>3
>good dungeons

pfffthahaAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

>>173862734
Being a contrarian faggot is a meme.

>>173900281
And sometimes weaknesses.

>>173899924
If your party is really tailored to erase bosses there should not be half the fight left after Fafnir is done.
And I'm not only talking about OTK cheese - even outside of that very few bosses should be able to survive more than 7 turns against a proper party with Fafnir.

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>>173900417

>>173900707
>sea dungeon
>oh wait

3 has entire floors you can skip by killing an FOE

the famitsu article for deep strange journey said they wanted to give it more of an EO feel so now you have to name your team members, group, ship, and deamons.

>>173901091
Cool instead of actually making a EO game they now want a EO lookalike just because SMT is a more popular series for whatever reason

>>173901091
Thank god they have found out that I play EO games to name shit.

Also you name your ship? What? Isn't that thing an official military vehicle?

>>173898636
fafnir needs point blank and kerykeion to do damage

>>173901306
>>173901325
Am I just not good with jokes?

>>173901394
i think mine got near max tec without resorting to a staff

>>173901306
Maybe they also add character creation, map making and a talent tree and let emons be a secondary mechanic.
I might even buy it.
(Who am I kidding - unless it's complete shit I'm desperate enough to buy it anyways.)

>>173901540
Autists can't get jokes, anon

>>173901394
He needs both to OTK bosses, he needs neither to outdamage anyone but a Dark Hunter.

>>173901587
The map making better be in there or I'll be mad.
There were many times I needed to mark an event marker when the game didn't put one down.
And teleporters.

>>173901571
max possible including the staff and food effect is 98. realistically you would be running the +2 grimoire level food bonus because fuck farming level 10 grimoires without dlc

>>173901540
jokes are supposed to be funny

>>173902192
Arianna is best girl.

>>173902161
I never used the DLC to farm grimoires I only let Regina trade up because she has a better convertion rate.
After story mode up to the Overlord and NG+ into Classic I had enough level 10 Grimoires for my main party and some cheese builds.

>>173901739
Wave spamming is a postgame thing though. The build isn't sustainable nor even fully possible until Fafnir gets enough levels to at least max out Ice Saber, Force Charge and Elemental ATK Up, maybe even Mind Shut. With all that he still can't speed kill unless there's a Troubadour in the party, which is the real broken class of U2. He's above average in terms of damage second to DH for most of the game. Tankiness is pretty good though.

Untold 3 fucking when?
I can't go back to the archaic 3 after the 3ds games

>>173903090
Rank 9 Wave deals 560% TEC damage for 14TP. That is more than a Compressed rank 10 Inferno/Cocytus/Thor Formula which is way more expensive even relative to the bigger TP pools of Alchemists.

It's not winning an encounter with one person but Fafnir seriously cuts into the HP of any boss even before all his skills are online.

>>173903946
Indeed he does. But until he can actually afford to spend points on waves he's going to have to rely on a physical build, which is strong but not as strong as a well-made team on classic.

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You guys like sliding puzzles?
Well then you'll love eov's fifth stratum

>>173906138
delet this

>>173906138
I'll never know because we'll never get it in english.

>>173905676
I never go physical skills - what for?
To make random encounters take exactly the same amount of time only with one less enemy in the second turn?
Even in story mode can you kill random encounters fast enough with Sabers alone.
In classic you really should have people better at dealing with random encounters than Fafnir using physical attacks.

And in any hard fight you use Transform anyways - the burst from Waves and Recoil is worth far more than anything the physical skills can offer.
Flame Demon falls just a few turns after your Force Boost ends and then you get Extend which gives you that much more milage.

>>173906138
The FoW is lifted at the right edge of the map - so it's sliding puzzles and map wrapping?
Neat.

>>173906138
1.) we will never get it
2.) just ganna google the answer anyways

>>173906138
As a matter of fact, I do like sliding puzzles. Prefer them to conveyor belts, personally.

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>>173906590
Just what kind of build were you running that let you kill Flame Demon that quickly?

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Why did it take this game so long to get good?

>>173907172
You better start using walls to signify holes because you will run out of icons to put down

>>173900992
>3 has entire floors you can skip by killing an FOE

It literally only happens once and it's good game design

>>173907164
Ice Saber/Wave 9, Delayed Chase/Blade Recoil 10
Ailing Slash 10
Blind Arrow 9, Paralysis Arrow 9
Link Order 10
were my main damage skills on my last expert story run. Level 25 iirc.

The first Cube got Meteor Smashed on the third turn of Tranform, the second set of cubes got Summer Rained on, the last set got ignored and Flame Demon was killed instead.

It's about the last time Link Order is actually good even with a Saber.
Arianna has enough TP to spam it for a while and together with Ailing Slash you can chow quite quickly through Flame Demon.
And I am pretty sure Ice Saber + Link Order does more than Gale Rush + wondering what to do with Arianna and waiting for Resonance to be off cooldown.

>>173907628
Iirc the icon limit is big enough to do it that way.
I even marked the conveyor belts in the fourth stratum with arrows and only ran into the limit on B16F when I marked the trees in the post-game section of the map.

If anything I would use a different floor color - drawing walls were there are non just feels wrong.

>>173908642
This is EO1, there are no arrows, there are no colors.

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>>173902345
That's true though

>>173908729
You are correct and I am dumb. I was thinking about EOU.
In that case you will run into the icon limit way faster, yeah.

>>173909419
Yeah, I started to use walls.
It kinda sucks that for every floor in this game where marking stuff really matters you run out of icons and notes.

>>173909361
These pics are cute but Arianna is so small in them.
I know she is quite a bit shorter than Fafnir but like this she looks really weak and fragile.

>>173908337
Did you seriously not run into any TP problems during normal exploration or had to rest your Fafnir multiple times? A physical build (Delayed Chase 10 and Resonance 10) does less damage but it's by far the more efficient use of skill points when leveled alongside Force Mastery while still giving him solid elemental damage. It'll never need Amritas until endgame and won't gas out against any boss that isn't Juggernaut or past Blizzard Kang while being able to deal with just about everything the random encounters can throw at the story party. Your setup is overkill desu

>>173908642
Holy fuck don't remind me. The most challenging part of Claret Hollows was trying to jam as much shit into the map as possible without it taking too much space.

>>173912045
And then running out of way to map teleporters anyways. I went with numbers for destinations, number+arrow for teleport entrance and memo for 10-19. I quickly ran out of everything. Fuck.
And they still haven't figured out that it's not mandatory to have fucking numbers placed into a solid block availiable in only one color.

>>173911887
Saber 9 costs 9 TP.
There are no TP issues, no.
Saber + Link Order II 4 is enough to deal with most random encounters with some help from Chloes and Flavio at this point.
Later on I simply increase Link Order II.

Overkill? Why would I run lower damage skills against bosses? I want to kill them.
Ignoring physical skills means I can instead go for Force Energy and never have to worry about TP in important fights again.

>>173912386
First time I did what you did and didn't have enough space. Second time I tried a different method by making tons of lines connecting to the teleport which worked at first but then the map itself became a complete fucking mess. Finally I just put down memos on the teleporters on the correct paths and ignored everything else pretty much. Claret Hollows in EO1 is absolute hell. Untold fags should be grateful.

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I'm about to start this, lads

Any ideas for a fun party? Not necessarily a OP one, just fun.

Any other stuff to keep in mind? I played the previous 3 games, what's changed? What's new? What can the classes in this game do compared to previous games?

>>173912386
My maps are super ugly because I started using two numbers, one of which I tried to put into a wall. So some numbers are horizontal, some are vertical, sometimes the first digit is on the teleporter, sometimes the second one.
Exits got an annotation.

It's a mess because you just don't have enough tools.
Instead we have a red x and red circle and a checkmark for whatever...

>>173913075
Oh you're talking about Untold? Yeah I know what you mean. More than 10 teleporters should be illegal.

>>173913070
literally anything works, linker is the most comfortable one.
The main difference that it has overworld with one story dungeon and around 4 little one-floor ones for each area. Skills are now divided in groups, second group unlocks at 20 and third at 40

>>173913623
>>173913070
Are there any online resources I should keep in mind? I remember only finding that EO3 almanac with the detailed stats, element resistances and ailment/bind resists when I was almost done with the game

>>173913070
Dancer is a fun gimmicky class

>>173913812
jap wiki
also gamefaqs

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>>173912386
>>173913006
>>173913075
Just who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to design maps that are absolutely unfit for the availiable tools? Either give more tools or make simpler maps but don't go for both, becoming repeat offenders at that.
Or was it supposed to be a Wizardry reference like most shitty choices?

>>173913070
Linker Landsknecht is overpowered as shit and pretty easy to build.
If you hate bossfights you can melt them in under five turns.
But I aside from that it's not that high on the fun scale.

Massive change is the overworld. You can fly around and find small side dungeons.
But the main dungeons (now called mazes) are only 3 floors).

Skills are tiered in EOIV and EOIV alone - some skills can only be learned at 20+ or 40+.

Enemies now also have a backline. Melee classes deal half damage to their backline and melee weapons can not reach the backline from the backline (this counts for both sides).

Rare breeds get introduced (they shimmer golden). They are ten times as fast and deal 20% damage every turn which can amount to much rather quickly.
But they also give five times the XP. FOEs can also be rare breeds. Bosses not.

Subclasses can only learn skills up to half the maximum level but the power curve is pushed forward a bit to make subclass skills not completely worthless.

Medic is Medic, nothing new here.
Landsknecht is completely different. They are about being quick and dealing lots of damage especially as Linkers.
Fortress is a tanking tank. They take damage for the rest of the team so they are Bodyguard from Hoplite on steroids. Beware of weak midgame.
Snipers are whip Dark Hunters with bows but without Ecstasy. They have more damage skills to not really compensate.
Nightseekers are ailment inflictors that deal more damage against ailing targets. Don't belive their description - they are not front line units. Their ailment skills are ranged and their VIT terrible. Put them only up front when someone is ailing and you can start slashing away.
Dancers are the support unit. They only buff themselves but their buffs effect the line they are on. They also can go Swashbuckling and add a chance to stun to each hit.
Runemaster is a Alchemist/Zodiac that doesn't fall off like a brick and is actually fun to use.

There are three locked classes.

>>173913943
Maybe they thought they could sell strategy guides or something
Seriously i don't even have an idea why mark limit on map is even a thing

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They've done it.

>>173914017
>not that high on the fun scale.
Seeing boss getting melted is fun though
>deal 20% damage every turn
What does that even mean? I never noticed any changes in rare breeds outside of them getting pretty much a guaranteed first action and giving like 5-10x more xp
You should also have mentioned normal rare breeds run away, the chances of running away increase with their HP getting lower.
>they are not front line units
They work fine on frontline though? They have enough HP to survive medium beating and with all this agi and speed boost passive there's a decent chance the attack will miss anyway. Barely anything hits very had in this game anyway, i'm walking with front line runemaster for like half the game and it works okay

anyone scan EOV artbook?

>>173915178
NeVer eVer.

>>173914585
>this can't be real

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>>173914585

>>173914585
what

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>>173915903
Goon autism>anon autism

>>173916353
Goons are alright sometimes.

remove phoneposters

>>173913943
I rather have complex maps with notes and no drawing gimmick if it means there is enough memory for notes.

>>173916602
I think I'm the only one so no need for plural.

>>173916353
link it

>>173916926
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3705626&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=345

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Runemasters are the only mage class i had fun playing with

>>173917070
do people really pay to post on that forum

>>173917137
>people pay for 4chan gold

>>173917450
4chan gold is optional though

>>173918114
posting on some random forum is optional as well

>>173917137
You have to pay in order to post?

Do chases in EO3 always deal thrust damage or does it change with the elemental arms skills from prince?

>>173919346
Yes, the arms skills add on the element to them. They're even affected by the elemental forges as well. But not any of the other forges.

>>173919892
Really? Even Warrior's Might? Elemental Arms might not be as useless as I thought, then.

>>173920396
Keep in mind the arms skills don't add damage, while the forges actually do.

>>173914585
Holy shit after 12000 years

Forges were a mistake
Stat books were a mistake

>>173914585
no that

no

i mean

no this has to be a shop

>>173920618
read the fucking thread

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>>173914585
Fucking bats.

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Mimic treasure chests

>>173921314
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

>>173915178
No way I'm tearing up a book I paid 200 for.

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>>173824329

>>173923137
can you snap a picture of the shaman cards, at least?

>>173923605
You mean the character design pages?

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>>173923816
the page that has all the designs for the shaman's talismans

I want to see if it explains what the dinosaur skeleton and baphomet were supposed to be

>>173923492
Skintight bodysuits are my biggest fetish.

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>tfw nobody likes lettuce head
>tfw no artwork of the alt color

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Legitimate, wholesome question: runemaster and scruffy medic lewds when

>>173923137
What kind of binding does it have? If it's just the usual individual pages on a bunch of glue, then it's damn easy to unbind and rebind if you have an iron and a couple of planks.

Scanning color pages correctly, however, is a massive pain in the ass if you don't know what settings to use yet (assuming the scanner is good enough in the first place). Specially when there are 200 of those.

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>>173923492

>>173924206
isn't it hardcover?

>>173924102
Remove gays

>>173921432
Should've lured them in pitfalls

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>>173924206
Hardcover.

>>173924003
Here you go

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>>173913070
Pick the cutest sprites.
Use the skill sim.
Read the starter pastebin.

>>173913070
If you roll a sniper, all you need is silver arrow. It's cheap, strong and also becomes your best skill once you hit the 6th stratum.

>>173924863
it still stings that we got no unlockable races...

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>>173924687
But... the scruffy and rune dick......... its crucial

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bJVmM0_KvixjVTFnp-hDR1RXrNVOGWUPaLbUB_m1TfQ/edit?hl=en&hl=en#gid=3

Is there something like that, but for EO4?

Hopefully also listing all skills of each mob and their effects

>>173928305
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3749645

This guy here seems to have all this information, which he probably datamined, dunno if I could find compiled information anywhere else

>>173928446
Why is SA so much more productive than this general?

>>173928305
https://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/997793-etrian-odyssey-iv-legends-of-the-titan/faqs/74288

>>173929864
I love you

>>173924863
>reptilian
Illuminati confirmed

>>173926664
How did she become the canonical EO slut?

>>173932030
>slut
except she is not one

>tfw you guess an enemy conditional

Do all dungeons in 4 have indicators for shortcuts? Or do they go away after the second one like in 3?

>>173937746
They go away in the last stratum only

>>173937828
The 6th stratum doesn't have them either.

>>173937869
That's what I said

>>173937941
I though you meant the 5th, since that's the last non-postgame stratum. It doesn't have visible shortcuts either.

>>173929523
Because you don't get to show your e-peen off when your anonymous.

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>>173914585
DELET THIS

>>173943124
save us nene...

So what are the general impressions of EOV like from those who have played it?

What game are we waiting for?

>>173944559
It goes back to it's roots in a way.
It's also a combination of all the classes that have existed in EO with a some new stuff here and there.
Some people might not like that, but if you stick with it, you will re-discover the reason why you loved EO in the first place. The developers have not forgotten what dungeon crawling is. V is the culmination of the genre.
All I can say is, the 5th stratum is a beautiful spectacle.
Race has so much meaning in this game aswell.

>>173914786
>deal 20% damage every turn
Ups - they deal 20% more damage every turn.
That's what happens when they glow; their damage increases. So 120%, 140%, 160%.
Most normal enemies will never make a dent but the big enemies (like Baboons or fat birds) can hurt after a turn or two.
And of course FOEs can get out of control.

>They work fine on frontline though?
As long as yo don't have any big enemies in the encounter or get attacked twice. All sorts of monkeys, cats and fat birds can easily one shot a Nightseeker.

>>173926953
I don't think EO has too big of a fujoshi following.
Cute girls are more prominent that cute boys on EO covers (and sometimes they even use rather ugly boys) and I'm not sure how much of a hardcore gamer your average fujoshi is.
So finding some decent yaoi will be rather hard.

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>>173946740
come again

>>173944916
This post feels like sarcasm for some reason

What are the gold items in EO4? Considering that every item goes out of stock(unlike EO3 where only gold items removed materials from stock), what's even the difference?

>>173947695
Those are and always have been conditional drops.
Sometimes the condition is "get lucky" because they are glorified rare drops but most of the time you have to kill the enemy in a specific way to get the conditional drop.

Bar patrons and codex entries can halp you guess how to get the conditionals.

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>>173946740
Trust me man I know, I spent a couple of hours looking for said runemaster and I literally didn't find shit (based piikei had some scruffy though)

I wanna cry....

>>173932383
She is

>>173948548
I meant golden equipment

>>173948825
Teach go away. Not everyone is like you.

>>173948901
They are made from FOE or boss drops or found in treasure chests.
Also iirc weapons become golden if you forge them.

>>173948901
Either one-time weapons uou find in chests, stuff made using conditionals or the weapons that have been forged

>>173949345
>>173949203
But what's the practical difference between them and normal equipment?

>>173949428
They're usually, but not necessarily, unique.

>>173949428
They are slightly stronger than what you can get otherwise in that land or they have a skill you can use when wearing them.
Besides this there isn't much of a difference.

What's this red circle with a leaf symbol stamp in the description of some caves in Eo4?

>>173950674
A good job star.

>>173950674
It means you have solved the quest in that cave so there is no reason to come back (usually).

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Is it odd that I wanna look at lewds but have 0 desire to actually sit down and draw them

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So there is slash pierce and smash.
Where is rip and tear?

Is Dancer supposed to be an useless version of Prince? Why would you only be able to buff your own row?

Regen Waltz would be great since I don't want to be forced to use a Medic through the entire game, oh, but you can only heal 1 row!

>>173950954
I think that is pretty normal.
Most people are not good enough at drawing to produce palatable lewds.
Also it would take a long time to produce anything worthwhile and you want lewds now.

>>173951985
Healing Step or Wide Dance are able to heal the entire party.
I used a Dancer without a Medic and only had to buy some more Medicas until subclassing was unlocked.
If you have a Fortress that properly Taunts up your backline will rarely get attacked.

EOIV is overall balanced around Fortress. There are less area attacks than in other games and more random-hit attacks that get properly redirected by Taunt quite strongly.
With a Dancer in their line you have healing where it actually matters. And Dancers have the VIT and evasion to stay up front without a problem.
(A word of warning: Fan Dance is bugged. Don't take any Speed Boost passive together with it or the evasion bonus will disappear.)

>>173951395
Cut, stab and bash is all the physical elements we have.
Starting from EOIV attacks that hit one enemy in the front and one in the back are called "piercing" so using pierce for stab can be a bit confusing.

What are rip and tear supposed to be? Sounds like the same things and a sub-class of cut damage at that.

>>173952382
I thought that due to how aggro mechanics work, Taunt only helps dragging aggro from attacks meant to be on your own row?

I.e the enemy decides which row to attack before taking into account the extra aggro from highest HP member and member with Taunt, that's at least how it worked in EO3

>>173952646
The aggro mechanic is pretty complicated but from what I understood it works like this in EOIV:

First, everyone of your party members gets a random aggro value.
Second, the enemy chooses a party member they want to attack. That party member gets aggro on top of its already existing one. Which party member gets chosen depends on the AI of the enemy but most prefer front line targets and characters with the highest (total?) HP.
Third, Taunt adds an aggro value on top of that sum.
Whoever has the highest aggro value after all of that gets attacked.

Afaik enemies no longer choose a line but instead directly a character.

So in order for the Fortress to not get attacked they would need to: roll low on the first roll, not get chosen on the second roll, roll low again on the third roll.

Taunt is really strong in EOIV (which might be the reasong they didn't call it Provoke despite it being pretty similar).
It's the reason Fortress is strong early game - they can semi-passively pull most attacks on them.
It falls off a bit mid game and gets replaced by Shield skills in hard fights late game but until you have enough defences and/or evasion to spam Party Shield every turn it is a great help.

>>173953153
Alright, thank you.

Do you know if backline characters receive less damage from melee enemies, or if they're just less likely to be attacked?

>>173953390
They take less damage from melee enemies and can't be attacked by melee enemies in the back line.
But they also can not attack the enemy back line with melee weapons (such as a Runemaster trying to smash someone with a staff).

Btw. Lightning Rune has melee targeting but ranged damage. So it can only attack the enemy backline if your Runemaster is in the frontline.
I don't think that's ever needed but it's an interesting oddity.

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>>173952135
Oh good. (And I'm one of those most because I've never drawn anything lewd in my life)

Oh well, hopefully I'll produce something worthwhile soon (that probably isn't this ahah)

>>173953153
What's a goo party on the beginning? I'm noticing that my Fortress can soak up almost all the damage anyway, and just learned that he has a self-heal skill, so I might as well ditch the Medic.

Right now it's:

Land/Fort/Night
Sniper/Medic

Night has not been very useful so far, I'd rather keep it in the back row, but only a couple of weak skills are ranged, it sucks that there are basically only 3 classes that can be used in the back row in the beginning

>>173954214
Runemaster is a pretty strong class.
They are fun to use because their skills are more about the area they effect instead of just being your typical "three times the same skill in different colors".
And they can create their own weaknesses. At rank 6 their Fire/Ice/Volt Runes change the resistance of enemies by 35%.
So if an enemy only takes 75% damage from the element of the Rune they take 110% afterwards which activates Runic Guidance.
So for nearly every fight it is enough to just focus on two elements you like instead of being forced to take all three.

While right at the start the resistance manipulation is not that important they have the punch needed to be relevant.

But I'm not too sure about dodging Medic if you don't pick up a Dancer in exchange.
I usually focus on defensive skills for Fortress and don't have the points for Holy Smite. And while area attacks are less common they still exist.
It might be possible but I don't think it would be that fun. And you would need quite a few Medicas.

Nightseeker takes a while to get going and I usually only run either a Sniper or a Nightseeker. They both have some control and some damage but are a bit underwhelming if they don't manage to make their stuff stick.

F/L/D
S/R
is a pretty solid party. It's also my standard Link set-up so if you want to experiment with that you would easily be able to do so.
However going Linker makes the game even easier than it is already.

>>173954214
>Night has not been very useful so far
it's useful enough even early and becomes ridiculously OP once you hit 40 and once you can sub bushi. Hell you can kill the superboss in 4 turns with 3 N/B

>>173954214
you can drop the fort instead of the medic, tanks aren't necessary in 4 until the post game
your party is pretty defensive in general so get some more damage in
I'm not sure how useful lands are if you aren't making a link build
night is very good if you focus on poison