/edg/scg/ Star Citizen Elite: Dangerous general #150

>>173311962
keep it to in-game politics, please

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Please keep your autism inside the ride at all times.

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>>173312052

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>>173312375

I can't wait

Delete this thread.

>>173312375
Is that Ghostrider?

>>173312015
Messer did nothing wrong

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>last week's ATV
>majority of the episode dedicated to Buccaneer

>new ATV
>3 minutes on Cutlass rework + 5 minutes of cringy writing and Sandi """acting"""
Really makes you think.

Also
>no more rotating thrusters on Cutlass
>they couldn't make smaller main thrusters work either
>those pants-on-head retarded pilot seats and wasted space

>>173311791
ED is already playable. This OP is retarded.

>>173312867
>Sandi """acting"""
really made me want to ask for a refund

>>173312891
No, daddy

>>173312867
Depends if they really wanted to fudge it or admit elements just don't work like they were meant to.

>>173312952

ED is indeed playable. Whether or not it's worth playing for more than a few hours after each patch is a different story, however.

What the fuck is even the point of Turbulent? RSI is one of the most convoluted and busy websites I've seen in my life, how did Chris ever greenlit this shit?

>>173314090
I found it pretty hilarious how they're begging to remain in the spotlight in the latest ATV.

Odds are they're trying to make spectrum some kind of social media network

>>173314090
Web services.

Launcher/Patcher, forum (soon to be rip), Spectrum, hosting. That kind of junk.

Any of my GCI bros here?

>>173314173
>W-we'll make it better, g-guys. We're just starting tho, tee-hee.
Spectrum is a joke, it could've had some relevancy 4 years ago, but not these days when Discord is a thing.

I can at least appreciate how they called it, though, it's a very fitting name for RSI community.

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Josh Coons is the most emotionally complex ship designer

>>173314926
Josh "The Crow" Coons

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>new AtV
>samey white-and-black outposts with orange accents and useless fluff on roofs on procedurally generated planets with ugly blurry texture stretched across them
Oh boy.

>>173315043
They said new colors will be added in the future ;)

>>173315043
They did specifically mention how everything looks similar right now and are working to make sure that isn't too true, but if you were expecting proc gen prefab buildings not to look similar you may be terminally retarded

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>>173314926
I used to know a guy who worked down here. Yeah, Mikey Fat-Lips. Weird son of a bitch. He used to feed his cat subway tokens. One time he asked me to try one, he said they were a good source of iron. Dumb fuck.

>>173315261
My name.. is Nattin Portent

March report today?

>>173312867
>those pants-on-head retarded pilot seats and wasted space

Sorry friend, but bespoke character animations are just too expensive for us to ever implement on any ship. Limited manpower and all that :^)

>>173312867
>those pants-on-head retarded pilot seats and wasted space

>muh wasted space meme

It's a videogame ship, nobody gives a fuck. The space you take up is also wasted, you don't see anybody bitch about that, do you?

>>173316185
Go back to munching on those subscriber cakes, Benny.

>>173316185
>wasted space
>meme
It's not a meme, it's a recurring theme for CIG and the reason they have to rework every ship after revealing it.

>>173316370
Was the Gladiator reworked?

Someone posts
>>173312052
at the start of the thread, and people still can't help themselves

>>173316262
Go back to unlocking those vehicles, Derek, you're 10 months overdue.

>>173316370
Oh, but it is a fucking meme. They rework ships to bring them up to new quality standards for visuals and materials, new damage system, adding more details. Muh wasted space is autistic horseshit nobody cares about.

>>173316431
Currently being reworked for Item 2.0 afaik
Most likely about to get some face lift too, since I wouldn't say it's up to snuff compared to recently revealed ships.

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Bodysuits when? Ultralight body armor when?

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>>173316510
>reeeee, Dorok Smurt
2015 called, they want you back.
>Muh wasted space is autistic horseshit nobody cares about.
That gets fixed after said reworks, what a surprise :^) M-muh meme no one cares about, amirite?
>>173316652
>Bodysuits
With these butterfaces?

>>173316702
(you)

>>173316702
>reeeee, Dorok Smurt

Hey, you called me a Ben first, faggot.

>That gets fixed

Apparently not, according to autistic retards like you.

>>173316753
Truth hurts. Go eat some cakes, Benny, that will dull the pain of your existence.

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Should I melt my Bucc and Rebuy my prospector? I have a gladiator and a cutlass too.

>>173316629
Also, the gladiator looks as good as any other fighter, stuff the 300 needs a rework, the glad is fine.

mfw we ended up getting it after all.

>>173316702
>That gets fixed after said reworks, what a surprise :^)

Which ones?

Hornet? Nope.
Freelancer? Nope. Worse.
Cutlass? Nope. Worse.

>>173316768
>Apparently not
Reveal just happened and there's already a ton of threads on RSI on the issue. You know that Retaliator is getting a complete overhaul of the interior just because of retarded interior, right?

>>173316876
>You know that Retaliator is getting a complete overhaul of the interior just because of retarded interior, right?

You got a source on that, buddy? Your ass doesn't count.

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>wasted space is a meme

>>173317002
>Wasted space
>On a cargo ship

>>173317002
Nobody said it didn't exist, he said it doesn't matter and they don't fix it.

Not that I think that the Cat has much wasted space.

>>173316980
Confirmed ages ago, kiddo, where have you been? It was like in first Q of 2016 when "modules" dropped and whole RSI was pissing bile.

>>173317079
He said not your ass.

>>173317079
>Confirmed ages ago

Nice source you have there, oh wait...

>>173317121
>>173317141
>t.newfags
Not sure what I expected from people defending wasted space on all ships. Just bought your first Aurora, huh?

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>>173317195
k

>>173317002
First of all, Caterpillar is a cargo ship, all that space will be occupied by cargo.
Second, I prefer roomy ships where I can move without getting stuck on geometry every 5 seconds. I don't give a fuck about NASA simulators.

>>173317195
Yeah, you blew it now, better luck next time.

what the fuck is the point of playing Elite?
does /vg/ has a pirate corp or something to hunt down forumites corps? is there something fun to do with other people?

>>173318221
There is no point in playing Elite. Elite is a sociology project run by the National Institute of Mental Health in the UK through a minor gaming company called Frontier Development. They're studying how far they can push the most fanatical of older gamers with an endless series of disappointments, each worse than the last and the effect it has on the community.

>>173318221
>with
>other
>people
>Implying friends

Kill your self.

>>173318721
my only friends are people from other generals

>>173318221
Daily reminder that EVE is everything Elite could have been and more, minus manually flying ships.

>>173318924
Same with SC desu

>>173318924
I would play EVE but i already have a full time job and i'm getting into the red cross too
plus i hope to get a gf sometimes in my life and i want to play other games as well
i don't have the motherfucking time to play EVE

>>173318924
>minus manually flying ships.
>minus one of the most fundamental aspects of the game, that drives large amounts of design decisions in every area

:bigthink:

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>Star Citizen won;t be done before WWIII

>>173319201
It is easier to destroy than to create

>>173319201
inb4 Chris gets a hard on for WWIII dogfighting and starts completely changing SC to emulate that.

>>173319571
Avadon would be proud

>>173318924
Eve is more of a meta gaming esport than a space sim.

and nullsec is a socialist wasteland. Just to throw that out there.

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Star Citizen ships have good desi-

>>173320449
reminds me why did we vote this shit in

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>>173320594
Because you're worth it

>>173320449
Yeah seriously who the fuck voted for that piece of shit.

>>173321410
I did at first, because concept looked great and those engines looked cool and I thought they'll rotate for VTOL landing. Paul butchered transition to 3D, CIG and Chris butchered everything else cool that remained of the ship.

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>>173320594
>We.
Maybe you did you faggot.

>>173321410
That faggot up above apparently.
Coulda had space HIP or space Hind, but nah, space orca with hairdryer engines instead.

>>173321608
Fucking hell this would have been so much better.
Fucking Reddit.

>>173320449
I like it.

>>173321608
jokes on you I voted for IXM's scimitar

>>173321608
>space Hind
The turrets on this thing were full retard.

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>>173321608

>>173322134
this is space hip and you're not wrong, brutus was space hind

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I still wish they'd make pic related as like a 75% budget fighter to compete with the avenger and 325.

>>173320449
I think it looks cool, i've never understood why so many people bitch about it.

>>173322681
That's literally Buccanner.

>>173322681
Looks literally like a Gladius with more angles.

>>173322990
Its more durable than bucc, less well armed than gladius, better armed than 325a, probably slower than all of them. A poor mans hornet, which IMO is a niche that hasnt been filled yet.

How does it feel knowing that while you bitch about Redeemer in /scg/, Paul's cucking your favorite ships?

>>173323083
Fucking.
What is the purpose of a poor mans hornet? no one is going to want to fly a ship that's going to get them killed no matter how cheap you make it. Every ship below hornet/saber level is going to be pve fodder

>>173323128
Paul Dalessi left CIG months ago

>>173323190
Inb4 whining gladius shitter anon

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>>173322993
Fan ships aren't really know to be new and original.

>>173323190
A shitty hornet can kill scythes and auroras and avengers. It can kill NPC pirates and fly wing in pirate raids. And all manner or duties, the whole game is not going to be circle strafing dogfights between hornets and sabres.

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>>173323297
Fine.

How does it feel knowing that while you bitch about Redeemer in /scg/, Paul already KEKED your favorite ships?

>>173323503
>scythes
Why would you fly a scythe?
>auroras and avengers
why would you leave secure space in one of these?

>>173323390
>literally the sabre

but why

>>173323515
Paul didn't touch my favorite ships

>>173320449
I love the Serenity but fuck me this squished aberration is god awful.

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>>173323761
Lucky you.

Before he fucker left for CDPR he managed to smear his shit all over latest Aegis fighters.

>>173323934
>m-muh landing gear

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>>173323981
Are you telling a joke?

>>173324054
I hear more complains about those fucking skids than the real problems

>>173323515
Nah, he didn't get the chance to kek the Carrack, so I'm fine.

Does anyone know if I would get into problems using AHK (autohotkey)? Basically just a macro program.

I want to try setting up a fire button to cycle between all the fire groups, so I can get my guns to salvo fire rather than all fire at once

vulture g 3e pulse and 3c multi with 4c reactor. havent played in ages, just spent 90min grinding high yield mining ring bounties for 1.5mil - how shit is that, should i look for better farming methods? because this seems rather sad considering 430k rebuy.
also, should i upgrade reactor and then the pulse, or save up towards a better ship?

>>173326276
Wrong general, lad

Meh, I don't think anything will happen because SC doesn't really have any meaningful cheat detection past stock CE stuff, which I assume is just speedhacking and sanity checking.

>>173326368
woopsie :)
this is what happens when you are in 4 different generals

>>173326104
Macros aren't classified as hacks or anything I don't think.

If we have more cargo room, why cant we have more ammo?

>>173328145
Who says you can't?

Probably have to go and reload it using EVA, though

>>173328145
you can probably have ammo boxes as cargo. you would need some way to reload from inside the ship, since the ammo boxes are attached to the guns.

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>side doors don't have airshields because dude Drake lmao
I'm blaming Ben for this. The whole "Drake is the pirate brand so it doesn't have featues that other ships would have" is so incredibly stupid that I can't imagine anyone else coming up with it. Same with the Buccaneer having no ejection seat.

>>173328145
Would give a reason for taking a multifuction ship over a combat ship in to a RES. Combat fights better, Multi can fight longer. High cargo ships would have their own edge.

Mfw we are daydreaming about features we know are years away if at all.

Mfw we wont see 3.0 until end of the year.

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I'm having a peculiar problem with Elite.
I have 2 railguns, 2 pack hounds, 1 multicannon and 2 plasma on my corvette.
As you can imagine, I kinda need to fire all of them at different times.
Is there a way to do this without switching between fire groups?

>>173329265
Nah. And there likely never will be.

Welcome to the Vision™ o7o7o7

>>173329637
Right right. Guess I will just learn to hotswitch between 2 groups.
Since we are here shitting on the vision, which weapons should I place on an afk-vette to farm CZs? The setup I posted above is entirely fixed and I run out of ammo for the PHs way too fast.

>>173329265
>>173329637
>>173329739

When multicrew comes out, you'll be able to have your gunner use a "quick slot" which is essentially a third fire button. Probably the only useful feature of multicrew.

>>173329932
But aren't gunners forced to turreted weapons only?

>>173329739
Never tried afk farming before. Obviously turreted energy weapons are probably what you're looking at, pulse are probably your best bet for sustained dps/heat/cap recharge/ammo. I've also heard people mixing in a SLF.

Don't know how well that actually works though. Couldn't hurt anything in you've got the shields for it.

>>173330098
Well not exactly afk, but low effort enough in general. Like, just point in the general direction and watch things melt.

>>173330012
And missiles. They also control scb's for some reason.

>>173330012

Missiles, mang. 360° field of vision and lockon.

>>173330012

Yeah but please use multicrew so Sandro can be happy and so he has the pleasure of knowing that it won't become a meaningless feature within a month.

>>173330301
>>173330343
Acceptable.

>>173329932
>>173330184
>>173330343
It's gonna be pretty funny after 2.3 hits.

Most people wont interact with multi crew just like with wings. It'll mostly be utilized in PvP. But even some of the PvPers wont like it because it'll disrupt the balance of 1v1 ship combat. And the dads will hate it because it gives gankers, the worst people to inhabit the earth, even more power.

I'm so ready for the salt.

>>173331038

>multicrew
>in PvP
>where the meta is death-fitted FDLs
>where you can't use it with wings so good luck dropping into the same instance as your partners

>>173331267
>where you can't use it with wings so good luck dropping into the same instance as your partners

I haven't played E:D for a while

Doesn't wings simply change the color of a wake to show you which one your wingman jumped to/from? Seems like if you're playing halfway paying attention you'd figure it out anyway

>>173331720

Elite's instancing system is downright fucked and Wings prioritizes your wingmates so you are more likely to be paired in instances with them. Multicrew uses the code for wings and butchers it a bit so they can use it, therefore, multicrew and wings are incompatible.

>>173330343
If this works with Pack Hounds I'm totally just turning my conda into the anime missile boat its always wanted to be.

>>173330343
>>173331038
>>173332925

Is 360 field of fire really that big of a deal when FA-off is a thing?

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This almost becomes a completely different game when you change your UI color since this game is more UI management with a space sim side game.

>>173333373
Somewhat, in bigger ships without DD5s. 4/0/2 pips doesn't allow many boosted FAoff flips.

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S5 Missile Pylon here plz.

>>173334649
>S5

small fry

>>173334649
A basic multi-system play area with cargo missions (which can literally just be placeholder checkpoints in open space for testing before planets/stations exist) is required to even begin balancing, but they're trying anyway for some reason. Without the basic Privateer formula in place, there aren't enough things to be good at (even in a pure combat playstyle: ability to protect escorts, intercept ships and actually take people's stuff for profit are all possible ship strengths worth balancing around) to know whether things need fixing.

Everything about SC development seems to be about doing things in a way that requires redoing them later.

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>Community: wtf with all that wasted space in Cutlass' cockpit CIG, why is there so much space reeeee
>CIG: say no more senpai
>proceed to add even more space to the cockpit
>realize that there is indeed way too much space
>slap 2 elevators that take you 4 meters up for no fucking reason

>>173335820
>Everything about SC development seems to be about doing things in a way that requires redoing them later.

iterative development is hardly new, we just rarely if ever see the previous iterations.

Someday you guys will have a discussion that is not autistic

But today is not that day

>>173336345
No developer ever remade things 5 times in a row because they literally changed their development pipeline 5 times in a row.

>>173336347
Maybe when there is more shit to actually discuss my friend

>>173336552
and what did CIG do this with?

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>>173335248
I dont actually wanna make it OP, just wanna make it have something for the pilot to fire if the torpedos are not there. I still hope to use my tally as a blockade runner.

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Remove engine nacelle please

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>>173337114
>as if

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>>173337114
they point up to land, they're VTOL engines for landing and Primary drive engines the rest of the time.

The front ones at least should be raised a bit to give the chin gun clearance, the midships ones are fine.

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>>173337114
>can't point up
?

>>173336167
They could have had an escape pod under the cockpit, 2 chairs for the pilots to sit in, then eject away to safety.

>tfw ship design is so stunted

>>173337787
Drake interplanetary isn't for pussies that need an escape pod

>>173338004
Haha yeah because it's totally the Pirate manufacturer, amirite?
They even talked about looking into adding the possibility to blow the canopy so you can jump out of there after the seat exit animation, isn't that great?

>>173338827
Don't care, I don't ever planning on ditching during combat.

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>>173337336 >>173337354
I admit I just think they are so low that it's as if they scraped the ground (it's silly even for a base-bound ship). but I'll keep saying they look out of place, not fitting Aegis design. Even the VTOL engine themselves are streamlined but it all break with the nacelles that should be part of the main-frame an not block the turrets.

Something have gone wrong when you are thinking of shooting your own nacelle so the ship look alright

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>>173337354 >>173337336
along with pict >>173339183 I meant to add that the use of VTOL engine aren't even respected anymore.

The Freelancer dropped it, the Cutlass dropped it, the Constellation never had ones, the Caterpillar never had similar front engine, they are minimalist on the Starfarer, BanuMM don't see to care, same for the Polaris
And let's not talk about the Hull series (because yes they are supposed to land on planet)

You could erase the VTOL engine from the Retaliator entirely, add thruster aperture where the nacelles were, and it would lose nothing. Actually it would really start looking a space-B1 bomber meant for speed, stealth and destruction.

Enough said

>>173339935
Constellation has big ol' lift fans

>>173340129
Which only work in atmosphere.
But apart from that, the anon you're replying to is right. Even a giant box like the Starfarer manages to somehow float on the landing pads, which have gravity, using only the maneuvering thrusters. A dedicated VTOL assmebly like on the Retaliator is unnecessary.

>>173340306
Its not a dedicated Vtol assembly, Its 6 of 8 main engines, on articulated mounts. they tilt up when landing. For VTOL.

>>173340909
Here's an idea: Remove the thrusters that do nothing except block the turrets field of fire and make the main thrusters more powerful.

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Being a spacial truck driver just got far better.

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>the only ship in which you can properly see all MFDs is a forklift

>>173342679
Even then the shield display is completely overlapping an MFD

>>173341159

>fat payday

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>>173340909
>engines that are mounted WAY below the center of gravity
>engines that are redundant to the AEGIS main-thruster which are aligned
>engines on large articulated mounts

>not a dedicated VTOL assembly

Let's be honest, we love some of the ship pseudo realistic rotating thruster but the idea can be abandoned.
If the Carrack/Hull/Starfarer don't have VTOL ASSEMBLY, just drop it for the Retaliator and make it more pleasing aesthetically. It already suffered enough with its internal layout (wasted space meme and all).

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Whoa slow down, where are those bullets coming from?

>>173336712
>>173337114
Stealth bombers are cool

>>173311791
>Adle's Armada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wApo5QmkgHE

>>173343404
this is some funny shit

>ED dad so mad at being called dad they made their own strawman
or
>latest goon meme fresh off derek's buttcrack
or
>/scg/ trolling scg with targeted meta-bait

either way it's 10/10

good content

>Lead/Lag pips still lie
>Giving an extra 1-1.5pip lead increases you hit rate by order of magnitude

ebin

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>>173347814

p.i.p.

projected impact point

>>173328793

Considering the Cutlass Black is a $100 ship that just got buffed to be able to take on significantly more expensive fighter ships I wouldn't bitch if I were you. They never ruled out after-market Drake parts.

Even if it's not possible to put air shields on the damn thing ask yourself this question: Why in the fuck are you in a Cutlass without a vac suit?

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>>173348305
>Considering the Cutlass Black is a $100 ship that just got buffed to be able to take on significantly more expensive fighter ships I wouldn't bitch if I were you

>That fat whale of a giant target
>taking on more expensive fighters that aren't piloted by retards

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Remember me, my autist progressed

>>173349709
The fucking ED car still gets me
Did NMS get anything after that base building update?

>>173349709
Needs Line of Defense development.

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>>173349709
>Axletree scrapped and remade after closed playtest

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>>173355747

>has a half dozen studios across multiple continents
>answer to no one
>built your studios using money literally handed to you on a silver platter
>already have enough money to retire and send kids to college anyway after ten year career in movie production

>people on the internet imply implications about whether you're successful or not

Imagine how much Chris cares about criticism of his character or lifestyle.

Get ready for the 3.0 schedule this week

>>173312867
>Sandi """acting"""
Was really happy when I saw she wasn't hosting this episode then they dropped that bombshell

Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTK_XikCTQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzbQl1yMy3U

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>>173356284
>dat acting
I'm glad I only care about the multi player part

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>>173350051
Ground vehicle with specialization (speed or mining stuff) and markpoint that are shared for "race".
As I heard, I don't play the game myself

>>173350931
Meh, that would give the false idea that it is a game.
I could do is a broken skate behind an ads board (of a car) with a Derek face raging at a SC poster. Or I could skip the broken skate, give a price tag to the ads board and have the raging face.
But that fucktard don't really need more advertisement. me think.
O don't think it's worth it, or I do all spacegame I know but that will take forever

>>173352438
Half-life 1 was near entirely scrapped when the source code was leaked
And Portal 2 was supposed to have you meet a dozen of personality cores (a shame, it would have been fun)

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>>173356602
Oh no, they've said in the past that she might feature as the player's personal AI in the PU, like Cortana :)

there is no escape

>>173356745
>Half-life 1 was near entirely scrapped when the source code was leaked

Remember when some "fan" hacked Valve and leaked a whole alpha version of HL2, so they had to redo half a game?

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>>173356284
>>173356602
she does all kinds of "acting"

>>173356745 >>173356986
I meant Half-life 2, yes that's the stuff.
It's amazing how much work goes behind a game before you get the amazing result.

>>173357170
is this Dereks wet dream?

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>>173357170
1197839086 and ph5793f1892255f
on pornhub

>half life 2 early footage
>when seeing a zombie ragdoll off a plank and a dumpster crush combine was the most intense shit you'd ever seen

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofUvx_ytniw

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>>173357796
>not major tom

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>>173357796

>>173355983
Yup he is living the dream, I guess only thing that can go wrong is SC being complete dogshit in the end an him not getting the legacy he wants.

>>173356980
oh god please no

Why is it that every time I stop playing this fucking game I want to kill myself, and every time I go to play this game I want to kill myself? talking about E:D

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>>173357796
>video made by baby with $10 and 9gag for parents.
please cancel your internet service

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Best ship.

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>>173363623
did someone say best ship?

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>>173363623
>>173364025

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>>173364025
No I said best ship.

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Fucks sake its not even late yet, rip thred

>>173364025
Carrack an overrated shit that wont be good for anything at all. Fucking Star trek fanboy meme cruiser.

>>173357796
>goes into the options menu to uninstall instead of just right clicking the games list

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/star-citizen-alpha-2-6-3-publish-to-live

>>173366676
Thank you Chris and Team! We appreciate your hard and relentless work. Every release is a step towards the persistent universe. I love you guys!

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report
updated for 2.6.3 :^)

3.0 schedule when?

>>173312864
alastrom pls go

>>173367990
sent :)

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>This tachyon cannon, called the Singe, is a long range, high damage weapon used by the Banu Defender. Like much of the Banu technology, its real origin is unknown, but based on the fact that it differs from other Banu engineering choices, UEE historians suspect they assimilated it from some other culture.

>>173367618
>ship combat desync
CIG don't give a fuck
>ship weapons passing through targets
CIG don't give a fuck
>geometry collisions flinging players out of their ship
CIG don't give a fuck
>Crusader framerate in the low 20s
CIG don't give a fuck
>minor annoyances in SM
CIG's top priority for entire studio, fuck the rest of the game

When will SM be upgraded to 3.0? The rest of the game can go fuck itself apparently.

>>173368990
>ship combat desync
>ship weapons passing through targets
>geometry collisions flinging players out of their ship
>Crusader framerate in the low 20s
All slated to be addressed in 3.0.

>>173368990
They are working as hard as humanly possible. Chris has some giant plans and they tend to take long to implement. I'm pretty sure you will be awestruck when you see the final detail of the game, the fidelity which is going to be unprecedented.

>>173368358
>Like much of the Banu technology, its real origin is unknown, but based on the fact that it differs from other Banu engineering choices, UEE historians suspect they assimilated it from some other culture.
HMMMMMMMM

Will probably be buying a good computer soon, but the only thing I can transfer from xbox elite profile to a pc profile is total asset value. I will lose all faction rank grinding.

Should I even keep playing?

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>>173369612

Why does SC have the dumbest looking ship design?

Do you think Sandi is still tight?

>>173370671
You can ask customer support to do this.

>>173371283
I misread that as Sandro. I'ma go drink some bleach now.

>>173371949
Sandro has been taking it up the ass for years now from the dads. Whatever he has left no longer resembles anything human.

>>173372317

Couldn't possibly be any looser than ur mum

Have you played EVE online? It's just what the Star Citizen is after for but it's not first person sim. When you play EVE for a bit you will realize how huge the whole Star Citizen is supposed to be and... looking at their incompetence to deliver anything it's very easy to calculate 1+1...

>>173372816
That's some weak ass bait, sir. Try again.

>>173372886
>That's some weak ass bait, sir. Try again.
No it's not. Download EVE, it's free to try and you'll see.

>>173372816
>It's just what the Star Citizen is after

Not really.

Is English your first language.

>>173372816
ur mum is ez, m8 LUL

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Finally CIG are draining the swamp

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>>173372924

>>173371556
I did. They say they can only transfer liquid wealth. Nothing else.
Really has me questioning if I even want to keep going.

>>173373130
>>173372941
>>173372956
>>173373184
All these brainwashed drones defending Chris Roberts. Mocking my English is the best you can do? You don't have any ammunition to actually defend Star Citizen's troubled development.

>>173373343 (You)

>>173373483
Even more desperate.

>>173373343
You can go look at the starmap the game is aiming for and it's actually not all that big, a lot of uninhabited planets considered.
I gotta say though if they fuck up 3.0 then i'm out.

>>173373343
Do we need to defend CIG's development? I mean it really speaks for itself that it is actually being developed, they're paying their staff, continuing to get funding and regardless of countless attempts to effect them they keep on building the game they want to build.

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GIB

How much is the cutlass going to go up in price? It weems to me that its pushing into the $150 ship range.

>>173375678
>Not all that big.
It's by far the largest game world ever made, eve may have lots of dots, but all those dots are just that, dots on a map. the planets are pictures that you cannot touch, the star systems are collections of nav points and empty space. SC will actually have (small)planetary scale explorable objects, like 400 of them. Each one will have millions of square kilometers of modeled space.

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I'm going to bed, don't let it die.

what's the current meme weapon in star citizen? is it still the longswords?

>>173379332
>almost none of the game world has been made
>handful of inhabited planets
>small drop zone on those planets
>rest is procedural generated desert with quests here an there.
>Most will be copy pasted
curb those expectations.

Anyone play the closed open beta for Dreadnought by greybox?

>>173386338
No.. I play Greynought by Dreadbox.

>>173386338
I played it back before they fucked it up with tiers, players per match and grinding, and I'll return when those two things are gone. Until then, not touching it with a ten foot pole.

>>173388392
I played 5 matches with one of the ships and unlocked the second tier healer ship, but didn't earn enough currency to actually buy it.

Fun game but shitty currency setup.

>>173388931
It was really fun back before they killed it with grinding and that other bullshit. I mean, I'm also salty that I lost all the fun shit I had, but if they reverted the progression back to the version I started on (none of that tier bullshit, and equipment for a ship class can be used on any ship in that class), there would be so many more players.

>>173387557
Jesus H Christ. You're an unfunny cunt.

So what's everyone playing to pass the time until one of these two games becomes worth the time it takes to install?

>>173326368
It's anal masturbation

>>173393307
Fuck I replied to the wrong post.
Meant this: >>173372317

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well, this is grand - took a fucking trashy 120k ass a pirate lord mission. took 10minutes of flight to target sector, ok. took a literal motherfucking hour to wait for him to spawn, ok who needs a life anyway. and then this fucking clown finally spawns and i cant fucking catch up to his viper 4 in a vulture with 4a fsd. What The Fuck? im literally typing this horseshit while watching the distance increase on the other screen.
WHAT THE FUCK DID THOSE COCKGOBLINS THINK???

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using daddies card to buy ships

Seat elevators ruin the new Cutlass

>>173399135
ruin no but they are kinda fucking weird. The chairlifts don't ruin the gladiator and the wonky entry path doesn't ruin the caterpillar.

>>173399135
It feels to over engineered for Drake

People think its quicker and easier with lifts but your still waiting for that animation, may as well of made them have simple rung ladders with a small storage unity underneath, hell a bed or something that is more in line with Drake

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>be in my 30s
>mfw browsing /edg/scg/

>>173399643
or just design the cockpit to not need the pilot and co-pilot sitting on perches they can fall out of

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Space Spandex when?

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>>173402195
but...

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Wtf is around this lard planets neck?
Do you think he will live to see SC even release?
How do you think he smells?

>>173402886
BEING THIS NEW .

Go watch the wing commander movie. Its on netflix or amazon go watch it. I'd tell you to play the games but they're harder to find.

>>173403059
>hard to find
>drm-free on gog

Reminder...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW3gHw8TO8I

>>173403115
the information I mean. the movie hands it to you, the games make you find it.

>>173402886
>Do you think he will live to see SC even release?
No
>How do you think he smells?
Obviously

>>173402886
>How do you think he smells?

Through his nose

>>173396832
>In a Vulture and taking those missions
Go bounty hunt nerd

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>>173402886

>>173403839
Why did they hire so many obese fucks for the community team? were they trying to be relatable?

>>173403812
nigger thats all ive been doing for fucking dozens of hours, im sick of this scanning shit. i was hoping for a good boost to fed rating so i could at least join and fight in war zones. now im at 100% but dont know where to join.

>>173403957
united states of obesity

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Let's talk about the movie "Wing Commander" and what to expect from SQ42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEX02907nPY

I saw the movie and... actually if you gave Chris Robert non-shitty design, special effect and more time (or slap him when he ask too much, he is now aware of that) I say it can be solid.

1st: the universe of the movie is surprisingly sound.
- Spaceship jump between star ED style, jumping around some pulsar are dangerous.
- Only way to communicate between system are FTL ship
- Spaceship shield are down on arrival, making surprise attack a must
- then you get shitty submarine warfare, hopefully using SC gameplay will help technobabble

2nd: plot
- the goal is to race against the Kilrathi army going toward Earth
- NAVCOM containing jump-route have self-destruction mechanism which failed starting the movie revealing the position of Earth to the Kilrathi
- classic tropes at play, never hold your breath

3rd: character
the bigger thing that might be shit.
- you've got your Jedi/Pilgrim with supernatural space-intuition
- you've got living cliché character but also simple one
- you've got tension of many kind within the cast
- Kilrathi costume are cheap ass and never get to fear them

4th: design
- PULL OUT YOUR EYES lest you'll see them !!
- that aside, since SC will have (good) design and (hopefully) balanced ship class this won't be a problem.
- Stealth torpedo from the game

>>173403542
>giving yourself away with dad jokes

Hello, hungry, I'm anon.

>>173403839
There is a deep cover agent hiding somewhere in this picture. Can you find him?

>>173406423
I am The Agent.

>>173403957

The customer relation field is filled with a lot of fat fucks (secretaries, call centers, etc). They lead sedentary lifestyles.

>>173406423
There's probably several of them, hiding on the dark side of the planet, unable to escape the gravity well.

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Sup...

>>173407080
Oh no.

>>173407080
How do you have so much fun playing the alpha?

I get a few days here and there messing around, but you NEVER get bored. How can I become this enthused? pls teach, asking for a friend :{

>>173407080
How do I become a winner?

>>173407317
>>173407503

You just got to use a little imagination, broskis. And it's only going to get better with every patch! Hit me up anytime on RSI if you've got papers. You never know when you'll need the IRON SOLUTION, daddy-o!

took my first passenger mission, arrived at beacon, went out of fsd, nothing. now im just flying at the fucking planet with 12h till splat, how the fuck does this shit work, please dont tell me i need a fucking planetary scanner for tourist missions.

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>>173407080
tell the dev team that the communities beginning to boil over, the lack of content, lack of updates on the progress of content and lack of acknowledgement of the delay of content and lack of communication regarding the future of content are wearing our patience thin.

I am fanatic, I have given this dream $2000, I have convinced more than a dozen of my friends to back as well, I follow every update, sift for every scrap of information and I am out of patience. A deadline was missed 3 months ago and was not even acknowledged. That deadline was a bold faced lie. A falsehood pushed to buoy up sales. That is dishonest and unacceptable behavior for a project that exists because of the generosity, patience and trust of its contributors.

It's 4 and a half years into the project, getting to the point where we can reasonably expect to start seeing real gameplay, betas, to the point where the average AAA game would start pushing marketing material into media. We who payed for this game to exist know nothing. We haven't had a meaningful update in a year and a half, we haven't heard a word about Squadron 42, the very heart of the game, first real milestone to be placed and supposedly the part that would be relatively easy to make, in 6 months, and all we heard 6 months ago was "sorry it's not ready to be shown, we'll release the preview we promised soon" That was also a lie, If if was even vaguely ready then we would have seen it by now, we haven't.

Tell them to get some content out soon Mr. Ambassador. Tell them they need to deliver, because the true believers are starting to lose faith, and if we are no longer around to defend their failure, explain their faults and justify their delays funding will cease. Forum riots will ensue. Refunds will be demanded, grievances will be publicly aired and explained at great length as only a real participant can.

If they have something to show it needs to be shown, If they do not they need to explain themselves.

>>173407080
Tell the dev team to sell more ships

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>>173408158
>getting to the point where we can reasonably expect to start seeing real gameplay, betas, to the point where the average AAA game would start pushing marketing material into media.

Bullshit coming from someone who don't know game design or want to start a shitstorm.
Many AAA game take more than 4-6 years despite starting with a studio, their own game engine and the game being an upgraded sequel.

Take your autistic entitlement somewhere else.

>>173408446
>Diablo 3
>2001-2012
>Fallout 3
>2002-2008
lel, please tell me this is ironic

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>>173408158

Now that's a tubular response, essay! You gotta remember they had to build stuff to build stuff, remember? It's all good, homie. This game will be poppin' fresh, just be patient and enjoy the cruise :-)

>>173408362
I'll see what I can do. I'm totally diggin' the new Cutlass.

>>173408632
>setting your tray down before sitting

Fag.

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>>173408446
Updated your graph for when you post it again.

>>173408509
I would say it just takes the scrapped work into account. If it wouldn't do that you could argue that SCs development began 2013 or 2014

>>173409230
Fallout 3 was sold from one developer to another during the 2002-2008 time frame.

>>173408158
beer pls

>>173409203
Diablo III spent all that time creating a WoW mod? And they said the merger would change nothing. Why does every company go to shit when they merge?

>>173409230
>I would say it just takes the scrapped work into account

Not in Fallout 3's account.

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>>173408158
>We who payed for this game
>payed

>>173409230
It just fucking assumes the year after a game to be the start for the sequel's development, even if it's just 2 guys writing ideas down for the first 3 years.
Like Morrowind, which really started development in 1998, or all the Blizzard games, which were mostly put on the backburner during WoW's glory years.

Besides, Blizzard, EA etc can actually afford scrapping their games and trying again - CIG can't.

>>173409416
Diablo III was being developed by Blizzard North from 2001-2005 until the studio was closed. Also, many key personnel left Blizzard North in 2003.

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>>173409378
>tfw I got compared to goons for speaking truth.
They we're spiteful and full of shit, I'm not, I want the project to succeed, and for it to succeed they need to put more effort into maintaining the confidence of the community and less into squeezing every last nickel out of existing backers. They lied to us, knowingly, cynically, to get more money from the Polaris sale. They told us that SQ42 was in a near playable state, if they are still doing animations and AI for it, that was not true, it was not even close to true, it was a fabrication. They Told us that 3.0 would be out by years end and showed us a flashy demo which they claimed was from the in house version of the patch. That was objectively not true, core systems needed to make that work still do not exist.they are still roadblocking us 6 months later, they knew that then. They lied to to us, the 3.0 Demo was an illusion, a glamour held together by hack job coding that looked promising, but was dead end, one time project produced for release in concert with a sale. They told Us they were so close to 3.0 that they were eliminating the 2.7 patch altogetehr and just rolling all its feature into 3.0, now 3.0 has been hald up so long they're rolling 3.0 features into 2.6.

They lied to us, deliberately, to get more money.

Spelling that out is not goonery, its accountability, I do not want to ruin the game for everyone else as they do, I want Chris, Sandi and the marketing department and and their inability to be honest about the state of things to stop propping up false expectations, stop drawing caricatures of gameplay that will never be and wasting dev time on dead end code branches to be used for one off demos that will bump sales, the sales will make money without it. I want them to stop spending excessive time fueling the hype engine and start spending all available time making the fucking game.

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>>173409470
We payed for the game, It has money because of us. Ships are not a purchase they are donation, but we did PAY for Star Citizen/SQ42. We payed to make the game real, to establish studios, to develop engines, to pay artists, to feed Ben and to let Chris play director again.

We paid for it, the money that pays their salaries, keeps the light on in Austin and LA and Manchester and Frankfurt and Montreal and Darbyshire came from us. They don't owe us any specific format or any specific timeline, they DO owe us a game and they do owe us honesty about it. They promised that, go back and read. That was part of the deal, we hand them funding on a silver platter in exchange for a dream and a promise, They deliver on that promise and they do not lie to us about it's state.

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>>173410251
>payed

>>173410029
Just in writing style.

CIG is making money hand over fist and has a reddit / spectrum full of drones that hang on their every word. If anything, the people that are currently fed up like you are are fringe elements.

>>173410298
To be fair, he did it right the fourth time.

>>173410372
Plebbit is pretty angry though, the drones are a minority most of the time

>>173410517
Nah, they've literally got a "no 2.7! Straight to 3.0!" thread on their front page and then loads of shit about 2.6.3

If there are disgruntled plebbitors they're under a wave of people that love everything

>>173410029
>They told us that SQ42 was in a near playable state, if they are still doing animations and AI for it, that was not true, it was not even close to true, it was a fabrication.

They told us they would have enough content ready to present something, but they claim the results looked sub-par because of the animation AI.

>We have been doing a lot of rewriting of a lot of the AI code and the AI systems in that process things, especially within the animation, start to look a bit broken. These are in some cases, really enormous systems and trying to get them all done at the same time is overwhelming.

How can you say that was a fabrication, rather than a normal delay?

>They Told us that 3.0 would be out by years end and showed us a flashy demo which they claimed was from the in house version of the patch. That was objectively not true, core systems needed to make that work still do not exist.they are still roadblocking us 6 months later, they knew that then. They lied to to us, the 3.0 Demo was an illusion, a glamour held together by hack job coding that looked promising, but was dead end, one time project produced for release in concert with a sale.

Can you elaborate on why you think the Gamescom and Homestead demos were not running on internal builds of 3.0?

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>>173410372
a growing fringe.
I always get sick of their shit right before the community at large starts getting sick of their shit, I consider myself a pretty good barometer, and I have a LOT of friends with the game, like nearly 50, and many of them are starting to simmer too.

They're also spending money had over fist. And it's neither $2000+ spenders nor $45 aurora buyers that float the project, its the people in the middle who donate ~$100, and provable lies turn those people away. Would you give more money to people who lie to you? I won't and as I said, I'm a fanatic. Like I said, they have betrayed our trust, and now they are silent because if they bring 3.0 up they will be confront with that truth, if they have nothing to show when they acknowledge the lie there will be a shitstorm. So they better be coming up with a lot of content real fast or they better have a real good reason why and explain it well.

They are already well within the realms of class action lawsuits, financial ruin and bankruptcy, all it will take is the right spark and the project could just die, be sold off to EA to pay legal fallout and be ruined like every other recent game. I don't want that to happen.

>>173410881
there was no backend, no game behind that, so server doing anything at all, it was a cry engine test level, running locally, with assets and scripts placed in manually. That is not 3.0, that is not star citizen at all.

>>173411006
What makes you think those weren't procedurally generated planets?

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>>173410889
>a growing fringe.
if its there, its unoticable.
>some shit about pledge levels
irrelevant, and you have no data about it
>They are already well within the realms of class action lawsuits, financial ruin and bankruptcy
You have no data about that

Honestly, I'd take this post to [concern] if I could.

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>>173409203>>173409230 >>173409416
For what it's worth, none of those game bare Prey, Spore and Half-life 2 were pushing for technological first.

Right now I only know of one game that try to have entire planet with MMO, seamless planet and FPS : DUAL universe
https://www.youtube.com/user/dualthegame
And it seem to trade graphic and physics for voxel modification

>>173410251
The only things they lied about is when will get access to what they did develops (see video), that aside this is one of the most transparent development ever seen.
So stop being a impatient kid, no AAA game of this scale ever developed in only 5 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l-epO6oUHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdCFTF8j7yI

Here is what you would have got in 5 years :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlIWJlz6-Eg

>>173410889
>Actually regressing to the "They're on the fringe of going bankrupt!" bullshit

40 keks

>>173411060
Im sure they were, I'm saying that the demo itself was not making use of any systems that did not already exist literally the only thing in that demo that doesn't already exist ion 2.6 was the planets. All the quests, and events, and objects and triggers were manually placed, activated by scripts and running on the client. There were no gameplay systems there, just level editor stuff. Stuff that leads nowhere in development terms. it was big shiny demo full of nothing that will ever be in the final game. It was an illusion of gameplay not gameplay as it will ever be.

>>173411167
Last year CR said 3.0 was coming soon, in December 2016. 3 months later, they were showing in AtV how they plan to give artists the tools they need to create 3.0 content.

Something is seriously wrong there.

>>173411467
Chris being a tardlet and overpromising on when things would be out, like he's done since before the hangar module

The "seriously wrong" thing here is your brain

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>>173410889
>They are already well within the realms of class action lawsuits, financial ruin and bankruptcy, all it will take is the right spark and the project could just die, be sold off to EA to pay legal fallout and be ruined like every other recent game.

>>173315043

Nobody cares! NMS was land based and had those problems which is lame. SC has a "space first, land second" policy. Fuck planets.

>>173411416
>I'm saying that the demo itself was not making use of any systems that did not already exist literally the only thing in that demo that doesn't already exist ion 2.6 was the planets.

The procedural planet technology was the entire purpose of both demos.

>it was big shiny demo full of nothing that will ever be in the final game.

It has been confirmed that all of the art assets you saw in both demos will be in the final game (Levski, Miles Eckhart, sand nomads, wrecked Javelin, Ursa rover, Drake dragonfly, sandworm). The vehicles were all functioning in-engine as well.

>>173410881
>Can you elaborate on why you think the Gamescom and Homestead demos were not running on internal builds of 3.0?
Okay, so I don't know what he knows and perhaps he's assuming too much, but consider what we've seen in the Gamescom demo, apart from just planets:
1. A system for extensive quest chains that include dialogues, video messages and "twists".
Later on they've stated that the AI system, which was still in prototyping, is also the system used for quests. So you can be pretty sure that this quest was entirely scripted and didn't have a full quest system behind it. I mean, consider the ending and imagine this: We get that "twist" of that bald guy ambushing us, but what if we have like 10 friendly ships on guard above us? Would they see those ships just spawn out of nowhere? Likely. Would the bald guy be able to recognize that he'd be outgunned? Probably not.
2. Requesting and receiving a landing permission. They've later on stated that this is a system that's not actually in. So that was likely just a triggered script.

As for the homestead demo, it was literally just a prettier planet, with a "quest" that required you to go from quest objective, press F, go to next quest objective, and a sand worm that was quite literally (according to the jump point) added in last-minute. Sean Tracy later on actually flew to another planet where he initiated something from Squadron 42. It can be assumed that all of that was entirely single-player.

So overall it's really doubtful that they actually have/had any meaningful gameplay systems in their 3.0 build.

>>173411167
They lied about the state of development.
>Kid
Fuck yourself, that's a direct lack of a point you have there. Those videos you linked as I said, are all handmade, scripted demos that bear no relatin to the actual game systems they are supposed to represent, they are an impression of what chris wants, not anything they could release and people could use becasue they are rigid, non functional scripted sequences, anyone skill in cry engine could take those assets and reproduce those demos.

I am not complaining about the dev time, I am complain that recently the communication regarding the long dev time has been silence or lies. We don't actually know what the state of 3.0 is at all, we have no idea. we know that Chris, 6 months ago threw out an unrealistic date that was bullshit. and He HAD to know it was bullshit. They told us several things were right around the corner that were very clearly months away, and they did all of this at the exact same time that a $750 ship went on sale, perhaps the most anticipated ship of the whole campaign. Everyone had been waiting to see the Polaris ever since the Idris got fat. How can you defend them deciding to lie to us to boost sales? We have given them $140 million dollars, they owe us at the very least honesty.

>>173411290
I am not saying they're bankrupt I'm saying if they take dishonesty, obstruction and silence as acceptable means of dealing with the community they will lose confidence, and with it funding. They run 6 studios, studios cost a lot of money. I'm saying that they endanger the project which is held up by confidence and trust by lying so blatantly.

CIG has a million bleating sheep to defend them, They have thousands of devoted cultists who will forgive them anything and recognize no bad choices. They do not have enough people honestly and rigorously criticizing the business practices and attitudes they are adopting towards the community, and they need to be called out for some of them.

>>173411894
>Later on they've stated that the AI system, which was still in prototyping, is also the system used for quests. So you can be pretty sure that this quest was entirely scripted and didn't have a full quest system behind it.

The Miles Eckhart quest isn't an example of a procedural subsumption quest. They said it will be a scripted affair, and that they'll sprinkle these hand-crafted quests around the world.

>>173412034
>I am not saying they're bankrupt
>>173410889
>They are already well within the realms of class action lawsuits, financial ruin and bankruptcy

Really HMMing right now

Call them out on stuff that has been going on for years, please. I'm sure nobody is completely aware of everything and will totally act like your ideas are a revelation.

Also, if they have a "million bleating sheep and devoted cultists" then they're not going to lose funding because they're silent on something. They're pretty vocal about most things, actually.

>>173411691
The production terms of the funding campaign expired years ago. They gave timeframes for production when they took money, they have missed all those time frames by years, they have produced nothing that could be passed off as what they promised. Anyone who wanted could take them to court, demand their money be returned to them plus legal fees and win. What keeps people from doing that, and what keep some hooknosed bastard from walking with some percentage of the funding pot is backer confidence that EVENTUALLY they will get the game they were promised. People don't cash out because they still think they will get the product. If they lose that confidence they will start cashing out, some kike will smell shekels and it will all be over.

>>173412034
>We don't actually know what the state of 3.0 is at all, we have no idea. we know that Chris, 6 months ago threw out an unrealistic date that was bullshit. and He HAD to know it was bullshit.

Chris Roberts has always been terrible at getting anything done on schedule, just look at Freelancer.

>>173412275
Lol, you think goons wouldn't take them to court if they thought they could win?

>>173412275
>The ELE is right around the corner! For real this time!


pls

>>173412275
>Anyone who wanted could take them to court
I feel like that already would've happened if it were true.

>>173411467 >>173411894
You've seen the demo right, he could have given you those and call them 3.0 to be done with kid like you. That's not lying about the state of development, those demo are real and it would be impossible to fake them without essentially making them real.

>they were showing in AtV how they plan to give artists the tools they need to create 3.0 content.
They have all the content they need to call whatever 3.0 you've seen it yourself. The tools are to do MORE of it faster and they decided to add more stuff

So stop running away with your goalpost and grow up. Your armchair developer opinions won't make CIG work faster

>>173412180
I don't think they have willfully and cynically deceived us before in conjunction with a sale, There's a sinister cord there that has not been struck before. They made literal millions from that sale. They hyped the shit out of it.They knew that people had been drooling over the polaris for two years they knew people could be parted from hundreds of dollars given the right stimulus. And all the hype was false, everything promised at citcon was lie. The whole show was a falsification meant to boost sales. The is inexcusable. That could be called fraud in court by a clever lawyer.

>>173412474
If you think they haven't made claims shortly before a sale before then you're not paying attention

>willfully and cynically deceived us

ho okay

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>>173412392
>>173412397
Goons still want the game, and they want to ruin it for everyone and use it as a vehicle to torment people, and a great many of them have gotten refunds. If they actually manage to kill the project their toy will be gone, EVE is sick of them, they have nothing else to do because starting shit is what goons do. You can't heckle a corpse.

>>173412474
>And all the hype was false, everything promised at citcon was lie.

Again, the entire point of the Homestead demo was showing off procedural planets 2.0.

>>173412575
Nobody gives a shit about the goons. They're painfully irrelevant.

>>173412575
A class-action lawsuit against CIG is the wet dream of Smart and every goon. You're delusional if you think they'd give up on that opportunity. They're convinced the game will never come out anyway.

>>173412425
>those demo are real and it would be impossible to fake them without essentially making them real.
Fucking bullshit, dude. Triggering a video/audio file to play on your display when you get close enough to Levski isn't a landing permission system that could be ported over to other landing zones. What do you think would have happened if the player jumped off the wreck in the homestead demo (and survived)? The worm would still have screamed at the wreck, and then froze or something.

>>173412637
You're not wrong, hence why they haven't accomplished anything. I'm talking about the confidence of J. Random $75 to $200 backer. If that slips and they start getting refunds theres a problem, if some clever lawyer sees $15 million to be made in a class action lawsuit things will get ugly and if that lawsuit succeeds, by whatever means, the ride will be over. Lies in business lead to legal repercussions and legal repercussions in our case will murder the project in its crib. There is not other source of funding to be tapped than selling out to a publisher, and the very first thing they will do is replace all the lead devs with their own, profit orient people.

>>173412880
What exactly makes you think that they're open to a class action suit now, rather than when they didn't hit anything of what they said on kickstarter, my mentally damaged friend?

There isn't going to be a suit, and nobody would win one.

They're not even obligated to give refunds at this point.