/twg/ - Total War General

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1st for united /twg/

>>172795853
It's less than a year, they are straight up just adding in new assets and it's an expansion to the main game

>>172795910
Daily reminder to report and ignore shitposting

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Fantasy is for literal retards that are too stupid to know/learn history

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>>172795910
Was reading a Warhammer book and saw


>‘As hard as steel
Though never seen breaking?
Made to last
Though never through making?’ - Strigany Riddle

This.

I'd ask /tg/ but the Warhammer thread is dead. Anybody know the answer?

>>172796032
Reminds me, anyone still have that pic from way back when Warhammer first came out with the
>what we could have
>what we actually have
?

>>172796032
It's not called Total Friendship asshat

>>172796041
They are marketing it as a new game obviously. Then they can act like it's incredible that you can play Warhammer 1 and 2 together.

Best chaos cosmetics mod?

Using True Chaos atm but I am open for more opinions.

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POOR LITTLE MAMMALS

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>>172796141

>>172795263
>Does anybody have the heart to tell them that the old ones realized they made a huge mistake and decided to ejecto seato?
The old ones made no mistakes, chaos just got in the way.
If everyone else had followed the plan, then they could have beaten chaos, instead of the end times happening.
Old ones did nothing wrong, the great plan wasn't wrong, and the lizardmen did nothing wrong.
Warmbloods decided to fuck everything up, with their squabbling, back stabbing, expaning into continents they don't belong on, messing with magic they shouldn't, etc.

>>172796162

>Then they can act like it's incredible that you can play Warhammer 1 and 2 together.

it would be pretty impressive if they pull it off.

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>Removing Warhammer 2 info and forgetting to add previous thread again. >>172754012

>>172796138
>1920x1080 reaction image
>1.37 MB
>.png

Hello newfag

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>>172796278
My thanks. have a piglet.

Is there any infantry unit that can 1v1 chosen in lore?

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>>172796113
Anyone who plays TW for their history is a moron who cant handle GSG

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>>172796343
>implying I didn't just steal it from somewhere
>Implying I didn't have another

>>172796370
Phoenix Guard and several other High Elf shits.

>>172796323
I mean that's what they are going for so I'm assuming they are actually trying to make it work. I have my doubts it will be flawless.

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>>172796395
No, there is an event in the base game when you research carracks you can sail into the terra incognita and actually reach the americas and conquer the aztecs

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>enjoy history
>enjoy fantasy
I would say I feel bad for those who cant enjoy things, but honestly they are causing their own pain so they probably deserve it.

>>172796370
temple gaurd if they're protecting a slann, a large enough unit of rats, some of the elf units. That's all I can think of off the top of my head

>>172796517

>Phoenix Guard

They wish.

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>>172796492
>tfw know some people that played total war and auto-resolved all battles
>Tell them to try out Civ or grand strategy instead
>"Too hard"


Every time.

>>172796343
hello australian

>>172796709
It's not about disliking fantasy per se, for example I love Lord of the Rings but the games that CA put out just serve to milk the shit out of Warhammer fanboys, they are watering down the series by simplifying it to make it easier for the Warhammer newcomers to play it. It's fucking disgusting how much they pander to Warhammer fanboys just to make a buck

>>172796370
Do you mean the unit could win against a unit of chosen, or the individuals within the unit could 1v1 a single chosen each?

>>172796709
If people knew the futility of mentally shouting at people about video games on the internet.

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>get drunk alone and play Total War
>make the sound really really loud and start crying when my men start charging through arrow fire
>get up to piss and forget to pause the game so the enemy boats land and murder all my ranged lads
>wake up to find out I vomited all over my bed when I was asleep

Is everyone having a good week?

>>172796370

Depends. Some units might be able to beat regular Chosen.

Skullreapers or Putrid Blightkings? Good fucking luck.

Skullreapers cost 40 points a model. Phoenix Guard cost 15. Guess which one is more killy.

>Make a mod to change chaos invasion spawns to be harder
>Chaos invasion spawns
>It doesn't spawn units based on the mod spawn table
>It doesn't spawn units based on the normal spawn table

Wot da zog

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>>172796709
Same boat in enjoying both but it's fine if they don't like something.
Sperging out about it on the steam forums and youtube comments is another matter.

>>172796873
They said right from the get go that there would be 3 games, they've also said there is a history game in production.

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>>172796032
>no samurai in pic
GREAT DISHONORU

>>172797019

>start crying when my men start charging through arrow fire

my sides

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>>172796709
>mfw grew up playing Warhammer but also like history
>CA working on both Warhammer and History titles

Life is good.

>>172796873
>they are watering down the series
Im sorry anon, but I just cant take anything you say seriously when you say this. Its just straight up false, in terms of tactical depth Warhammer is far more complicated than other TW games.

Complicated being a relative term, TW is very casual, all the games are very casual. Its fun smashing armies together and that what TW is about. But the fact is the tactical depth of every single historical TW game can be summed up as 'Hammer and Anvil' or 'Cannons and Lines'. The same simply cant be said about Warhammer.

With these dubs I shall summon Igdood

>>172797019

Persona 5 is coming out in a few days, and I've got a holiday lined up for it.

So I'm looking forward to that.

>>172797038
I'm pretty sure he meant regular Chosen, otherwise he'd have specified special characters, too.

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>>172796709
It's just the hyper autists screeching loudly, as usual. It's hardly as big a deal as they're making it out to be.

How can you claim to have played since Shogun 1 but still support any post-Shogun 2 Warscape game?

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What do female skaven look like?

>>172797180

For the game to be interesting in multiplayer though, they really need to start introducing unit caps more.

It's inane that I can only have three Aspiring Champs, while my opponent is free to have seven units of Hawk Riders and two units of Wild Riders on different corners of the map.

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>>172796709
>skaven allied with slann
DELET!

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I did it bros, i fucking won that.
And that's a miracle because Archaon the Evercucked was there, holy shit how did i do this

>>172797329
Shogun and Medieval might as well be a different franchise honestly

Warscape hating is a meme

>>172797329
Been playing since Shogun 1.
What are the issues with the engine? I haven't noticed anything breaking because of it.

>>172797332
Massively bloated monstrosities with vestigial limbs that basically just spend their entire lives wallowing in filth at the centre of Skaven cities, consuming vast amounts of food brought to them by slaves which they occassionally eat as well, so they can spit out kittens by the thousand to replace Skaven losses to war and internal feuding.

>>172797014
I dont think its actually futile at all, I think they succeeded.

I think all this shouting and anger at CA over the last few years about the historical titles being the 'wrong' period, poor games or DLC practices or whatever reason people shouted at CA is responsible for the entire Warhammer series.

Coming out of Rome 2 they made a lot of money, but burned a lot of bridges with their history audience, which that audience said loudly and frequently that they would never support CA again. Attila was a test run to see if that was true, and judging by the sales that never matched Rome 2 they were right, a lot of people had left the ship.

So now you're a head designer at CA, you're got quite a bit of money from Rome 2 and Attila but dont know if you can make another history game and get away with it. So why not distance yourself from that market and try something new? CA obviously thought the risk of doing something new was less than the risk of doing the same old thing, which is saying a lot when most game designers HATE to do new things.

And then Warhammer blew up, it was a huge success and brought in a whole new group of people, people love the DLC in the majority and its really just the history group who are upset by their 'practices'.

Then you have them come out and as always planned, announce the next TWW game. Since they want to do all the races in one game, and this is a godlike way to fund a new engine/history game in the future, something that can redeem them in their history fans eyes.

And what do the history fans do? They bitch and moan and cry betrayal, for doing what is undeniably the best thing for the next history title which is make a good TW game by taking their time and getting it right.

Its just all such a high level of stupidly by the community.

>>172796709
I'm new to TW and I really like TW:W so far.
I'm probably gonna buy the history games too so I don't understand why people are angry.

It feels like everytime I get a new video game I anger a specific group of people.
I just want to play video games to forget my daily woes, not engage in internet wars.

>>172797180
Yeah, while I would say that the campaign is often less advanced than other total wars, I would not say that about battles. People can go on about shield wall abilites all they want, but they don't really make any of the games more advanced(especially since they are often bugged).

Medieval 2 had shit for formation abilites(Useless schiltrom was the most prevalent), but I don't think that game is less tactical than Rome 2. TWW battles has a lot of stuff going on, at the least just as much as any other total war. The battle polish(compared to a lot of total wars) is a big plus for me.

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>>172795910
>>172796032
FRIENDLY REMINDER:

Since we are currently having an influx of new people to the thread and since there will soon be a constant drip of TWWH2 info (usually on Tuesdays or Thursdays) I wanted to remind people how to announce it.

Type 'STUFF' several times at the top of your post followed by the link, then whatever comments you have on said stuff. that way whenever some new info comes out and people come into the thread, they can find it quickly!

Thanks all!

History and Fantasy are both great,
stop fighting

>>172797451
>Still using zombies late-game

Anon I....

>>172797701
>and judging by the sales that never matched Rome 2 they were right, a lot of people had left the ship.

What's really sad about this is that a lot of people didn't even knew/know that TW Attila existed.

>>172797132
add one!

>>172797793
>not using the best and cheapest tarpit in the game

Do you even vampires?

>>172797678
>Massively bloated monstrosities with vestigial limbs
so, americans?

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>>172797678

>>172796343
hello autist!

>>172797854
Attila is my favorite honestly

They have said it's (so far, before Warhammer "we sequel not expansion now" is released) their most successful follow up game so I am fine with the normies not knowing

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>>172796297
FACT: Old Ones are a failed and dead civilisation.

>>172797701
Whilst I'm sure what you're saying is probably true in regards to how resources are currently being used at CA, Warhammer was always going to be a three-part series released close together, they made this clear from pretty much the time the game was announced, certainly before it went on sale, so it's not a reaction to TW:WH's sales success.

>>172797614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXkWfEIALxM

Start from 10:40, he compares Warscape battle mechanics versus old engine battle mechanics

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>>172798147
this video did more bad than good

>i-if i zoom in they 1 v 2 each other
huray?

>>172798287
>this is what med2 people unironically defend as superior

It's kinda sad, honestly.

>>172797329
>>172798147
Doesn't really apply for TWW and they reduced the chance of sync-combat-animations in Attila.

>>172797968
>tarpits

This isn't tabletop, you can't just tarpit an elite unit and wait for turn 6, late game units will chew through zombies pretty rapidly whilst sustaining minimal casualties and you've essentially wasted a finite army slot, that could have been filled by a grave guard unit that would 'tarpit' just as well and actually do some damage.

plus having to spam magic on them to stop them being wiped out in minutes

>>172798147
it's thanks to faggot like these that we no longer have sync unit animations
all because they couldn't fucking understand that the animations and the actual rolling dice to see who hit was separate

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>>172797793
>>172797968
still there's 20 billion other sacks incoming, i think all the fucking chaos from the map is here.
I won't make it bros...
hold me pls

>>172798287
>>172798372
Take the age difference, the fact that the warscape games are almost as bad/as bad as the games that came out 10 years before says a lot about the shitty warscape engine. It didn't improve one bit, in some places it made it even worse

>>172798372
I wonder what really happened with that game. Wasn't it "outsourced" to Australia or something? I have some very fond memories of it and still enjoy it, but that game has some seriously disgusting flaws. On another level than rome 1.

>>172798472
>take complete and total conjecture from my part, some made up shit, and suddenly pre-warscape is totally better than what we have now I swear

No thank you.

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>>172798287
I miss my pyjama warriors ;__;

Medieval 3 never tho.

Maybe we'll get a Pike 'n' Shot: Total War though which will include setting up colonies in 'Murica.

>>172798143
Warhams success came at a surprise though, they said so now that they are expanding the game and its potential

It was always going to be three parts, but its bigger now because of its success

I heard they showed some optimization improvements(charts) on the EGX presentation of TWW/TWW2

Is that true?

>>172798461
You're undead, just defence in depth, let corruption injure them for a turn and then bury them in disposable dead people.

>>172798584
Bigger how?

1 year development time bigger?

>>172798584
Oh sure, I thought you meant that Warhammer II was a response to that, my bad.

Probably not a good thing from history fans since adding more resources to the Warhammer teams likely means taking them from the History team. Gotta go where the money is though I guess.

>>172798584
Bigger how?
Bigger like my dick is compared to yours?

stop pulling things out your ass like your wife does my cock

>>172798718
They never said 'how', they just said the game was going to be bigger than planned due to their success.

Perhaps they never planned to do a unique campaign for W2 and thats new? Who knows.

I swear I'll kill each and every one of you

>>172798895
Even me, your beautiful thread-wife?

>>172798562
The fact that warscape engine has major flaws the predecessor engine managed to get right shows warscape is garbage

>>172799030
>muh vibrating units
>""""""major flaws"""""

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My latest cheevo :)

>>172798960
You will be the first one to go

>>172796323

You do realize it's been done before with Dawn of War right?

>>172799263
How is that at all relevant?

Get your shit together /tg/

>>172798862
>Probably not a good thing from history fans since adding more resources to the Warhammer teams likely means taking them from the History team.

We have no idea how it works. For all we know the money from Warhammer content creation team could have been poured into Halo Wars 2 and any other big project, even the history game team.

>Warhammer has gone to 1.4 million owners
>Attila has 800k, and it had a free weekend
Wew

>>172796278
Do you think it would actually help things to talk about my games more?

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>>172798895

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>>172797968
>not using elite units as a tarpet, because your army is all elite, so it doesn't matter who takes the hit first
Do you even strategy?

>>172799346
Fattila the Slob is not my hun

>>172798461
nigga i have 3 half dead (heh) stacks and there's like 15 more chaos ones incoming, all of them full

>>172798895
Me too.

If you put me into a room with a knife and a random /twg/ poster I would annihilate him no questions asked

>>172799387
Unfortunately we cant see what the other games sold, they all had free weekends that inflate the sale numbers

>>172797180
>in terms of tactical depth Warhammer is far more complicated than other TW games.

Wrong

Take the fucking sieges in Warhammer compared to older TW sieges. In warhammer you literally just have to charge the fucking front wall/gate and that's it, while for example in Medieval 2 that would just be the beginning of the siege, you had multiple levels in a fort, much more variety in siege equipment and tactics, all of this is made just a pretty background image in Warhammer

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>>172798895
Just who the fuck do you think we are?!

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>>172799547

>>172798147
>rome 2 failed

it was buggy as shit early but jesus christ im tired of people saying it failed or it sucked. i had shit tons of fun and it worked

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This is it friends...
At leas ti killed Fagaon the Evercucked.
I won't get up from this though, they are already running past for next settlements.
I love you bros

>>172799845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy5GRaHzFnI

Uh huh

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>>172799787
We'll show you the power of /twg/

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Why haven't you dropped Total War for the superior grand strategy genre yet?

>the history is more accurate
>you get jewed harder than with Warhammer
>there are ones that take place in SPACE
>you don't need to worry about the units not vibrating like they did in M2 when you were a kid
>more challenging gameplay for adults instead of ZOOM IN WOAH ITS A THE LEGENDARY DRAGON LIZARD FAIRY FROM BOOK 2 gameplay for children

>>172799508
>sieges
Sure, lets talk about the other games sieges

>Attila/Rome/Medieval
You literally hold 2 or 3 choke points with pikes in the best case, or your toughest other units and sit there. The AI attacks each chokepoint and whoever wins wins. You dont even have to DO anything in the sieges, its literally just a grind v grind until one side wins.

In terms of walled sieges its even worse, the AI will often attack all one side anyway, and lose most of their siege equipment to fire arrows. If they lose all their equipment they will just bugged out and do nothing. There is no reason for 'layers' in a defense because the AI dedicates 100% to the front lines, and if you waste resources in the back lines its just a hindrance

>Shogun 2
Actually worse than Attila since walls dont even exist here. Attacking you climb up every side, defending you defend the 2 or 3 sides the AI rushes.

>FOTS/Empire/Napoleon
Arty. Thats 100% it. You have arty? You win the assault.

Defending ironically is easier, since the AI is retarded and wont wait for their arty to kill you, instead losing thousands of men just running at your walls

So what are these magically great sieges in TW you talk about?

>>172799984
>implying you have ever seen a defensive siege in Warhammer
>implying anyone has

>>172799547
>You will never make Archaon go "NANI"(Evil metallic sounding and all) before annihilating him with your faith, steel, gunpowder and spiral power

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>>172799864
>how the fuck did that retard lose VC campaign
>look at his army comp

>>172799984
Still more depth than any Warhammer siege ever

>>172799976
Go switch between gsg and total war from time to time. I am in total war mode now. And a little Stellaris

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>>172799348

Yes

Now post your campaign faggot

>>172799976
Because GSG is absolute shit

CK2 is literally two gameplay mechanics; assassinating in a line of succession which requires no thought or skill and is easy as fuck and blobbing your army against smaller counties. Due to how dumbfuck retarded the AI is you can 'win' by just putting yourself in a potions of inheritance and murder everyone in your way with 0% chance of failure

HoI/EU are just economics simulators with the depth of a puddle. They both have massively abuse-able mechanics that make the whole game redundant.

And JUST like TW, Paradox has dropped history. Stellaris came out and proved that the scifi/fantasy crowd is better than the history one that nitpicks everything all the time. And just like TWW, Stellaris was a huge success.

>>172799918
>Same guy who made the last video

Yeah miss me with that idioic shit

I pretty much played every total war having rome 1 as my first. people who shit talk rome 2 nowadays are the same people who shit talk warhammer total war

>>172799918
>2:27

THIS KILLS THE WARSCAPE BABBY

>>172800128
Very true criticism. The AI takes like 10 turns to actually launch a siege and its a pain in the ass.

>>172800195
Like saying your dog shit is better than his dog shit. But Warhammer still has better sieges than other TW games.

>>172798147
most of this shit is fixed

>>172796323

>well

Wont be hard at all to mash multiple campaigns together on a new map.

Making it coherent and polished for every playable faction is another matter entirely.

>>172800256
I switch*

>>172800280
>Stellaris was a huge success.

Really? Utopia looks pretty neat, but I wish they cared more for the game (faster updates). It feels like their team is way too small for it being a big success.

So...would Total War: New World work? I would like to see how CA implements jungle warfare.

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>>172800446

>>172800170
very helpful, cunt

>>172800558
Did you just raise dead anything and say "This is my army"

>>172800558
Unless he has discovered the antidote for being a retard that man can't help you lad

I wasted 2 hours of my life shitposting here and it's 4 am now and I haven't even started up my game like I wanted to

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>>172800128
I have had a lot of them in my late game games. E.G the fucking greenskins attack my sylvanian holdings so many times in my second Empire game.


>>172800410
The AI likes to make a lot of towers. Some mods speeds up building time which makes sieges appeare more often.

>>172800531
brb making a 40min response video

>>172800709
>wasting time playing video games when you could instead try and convince someone that the video you are about to play as better than the alternative they prefer

fuckin retard lol

>>172800465
>Really? Utopia looks pretty neat, but I wish they cared more for the game (faster updates). It feels like their team is way too small for it being a big success.
Paradox history has been basically scrapped for the Stellaris team. And compared to their older methods, Stellaris is getting a lot of updates in a shorter period of time.

Its legitimately the most popular scifi 4X game out there right now. And the only reason it isnt 'the' 4X game is because Civ VI exists.

Also its pretty fun desu, and the new features look great
>turning races into live stock, slaves, domestic sex slaves, combat drones
>turning your race into biologically perfect beings, robotic overlords or psionic masters
>new internal politics, as every pop joins a faction, so you have to deal with internal issues as well as external threats now

>>172800531
Total War Warhammer is pretty much back to Medieval 2 combat system. I am glad they went back to non-synced kills too. Combat looks better that way in my opinion(compared to the current sync-animation system that is). Infantry charges feels good.

>>172800614
this is after fight with Archaon, fucking 5000 casualties
>>172800623
k


fucking strategy masters, go work in a fucking pentagon

>>172800834
Which pentagon do you think i should send my application to?

>>172800831
>the ONLY thing CA has said about the new game is the 'fancy new kill animations'
Oh god this is going to be hilarious when the next historical game is shit.

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Convince me to play this game again

>>172800937
the one where you stop being fag

>>172801042
I dropped it after 32, last played 3 months ago

>>172801042
>he hasn't played Bretonnia
Literally the best faction. Go play them.

>>172800940
I don't get you, but whatever. I don't mind a few KILL animations(like for lords and so on) though.

>>172800558
ok, fucboi. Want real help? Sure. Here you fucking go:
>line of graveguard with GW
>4 blood knights
>1 mortis engine
>2 vargulfs
>2 vargheists
>no hero units
>vampire lord
There, there is your fucking army comp. Now fuck off and get a working brain, you seem to be in a dire need of one.

>>172800834
do you want Undead army comp tips? I usually go
1 Vargulf
1 Terrorghist
2-3 zombines
2-3 spearmen
3 vargeists
5-6 skelly solders
3 Crypt horrors
MAYBE 2 fel bats
or MAYBE 2 Hounds
MAYBE 2-3 Calvary
I never use black coach or wraiths but you can place them and swap the zombos or the skeleton warriors and maybe add a banshee

Send your vargulf and terrorgheist RIGHT at the general. I won Chaos/Norscan 1v3s because i was able to have the terrorgeists and vagulfs kill the general and cause terror on the soldiers

>>172800940
yes we would all love it if Total War games were terrible that is why i browse /twg/

(You)

>>172801143
Massive amounts of kill animations makes the combat extremely slow as well as horrid performance.

And its probably the biggest bitching point by the TW community.

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>>172800831

>>I am glad they went back to non-synced kills too. Combat looks better that way
>Anime shock waves is better than synced animations

Now im not saying all-out synced combat is the way to go but Attila did it alot more satisfying overall

>>172801042
Free stuff you can try out. You could try a overhaul mod too or something.

>>172801245
NEW TORTANICS DUDE EPIC

>>172801178
how gracious of you, asshole

>>172801196
thanks i guess

>>172801303
Not IMO. Those animations were really rare and infantry charging other charging infantry looks really bad. Animations in TWW could be better, but battles overall look better and more fluid. Just my opinion anyway. Different tastes.

>>172801318
>Release Renaissance on a new engine
>WHY ISNT THIS CHINA
>release china
>WHY ISNT THIS RENAISSANCE
>release M3 and its new
>WHY ISNT THIS LIKE M2
>release M3 and its M2 again
>REHASH

>release a expansion to warhammer
>fantasy fans love it

No wonder CA hates its history.

Is Bronze Age: Total War possible? Do historians have enough knowledge to make accurate units and leaders, cities, technology, everything that makes a TW game? Anyone else like to see a Bronze Age TW?

>>172801303
I have only ever seen this animation in this webm and I have 500 hours in Attila.

Thats why these animations are shit. You either see them so much they are boring like the kill animations for campaign on Attila or you never see them at all and they just hog performance.

They need to keep to generic stabbing/slashing animations, but that look like they connect better.

>>172801303
Synced animations were far superior. The problem was the same thing the regular animations suffer from in warhammer, most of them were fucking terrible. There are two things total war has never fixed, shitty ai and shitty animations.

>>172801492
Not shitting on fantasy but how is "we gobble up whatever they want us to buy next" a good thing in any way whatsoever?

This entire argument is completely retarded what are you even doing

>release China Total War: gooks complain about inaccurate portrayal of their history and anime fans complain it's not like Dynasty Warriors
>release Medieval 3: medieval fans love it
WOAH

>>172801586
little change in technology over vast amount of time

Either Bronze Age collapse or "we are fantasy now" Achilles legendary lord would be interesting

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I'm going to be dominated by a best elf!

>>172800280
stellaris is hot garbage much like every other paradox game

>playing parashit games before they've had 3 years of DLC to make them worthwhile

top fuckin jej

Horde mechanics suck
That is all

>>172801742
>Not shitting on fantasy but how is "we gobble up whatever they want us to buy next" a good thing in any way whatsoever?
Because it has nothing to do with quality

>Rome 2 is shit
>THIS IS SHIT
>Attila is good
>THIS IS SHIT

Thats the new CA community.

Meanwhile regardless of whether you think Warhammer was good or bad at release, people gobbled it up, and what is CA doing in response? Releasing more content, more updates and more features to improve it and give people what they want because the COMMUNITY IS SUPPORTING THEM.

So companies fuck up their games sometimes, big fucking deal, CA is one of the few who keeps trying to fix things years afterwards. Even Rome 2 got a huge amount of post release support even if most people dropped it at release.

But if you shit on everything all the time all you're going to do is convince CA to focus on the people who ""Gobble""" up specific games.

>>172801850
this to be honest
Stellaris is a DLC skeleton that might or might not be worthwhile five years from now

>>172801885
you suck

>>172801927
>how dare you criticizes anything ever just join in the fun of purchasing the newest DLC title
thanks Mr. Steinberg

>>172801850
The majority disagrees.

You can post your contrarian response now;

>>172802026
Shitposting against everything CA does is not criticizing, its just shitposting. Just like you're doing now.

>>172802040
the majority of what?

more people bought Stellaris than didn't? jej

>>172802148
>78 Metacritic
>Very positive on Steam
>800k sales
>best selling Paradox game ever at its current rate

Here is your last (you)

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>>172801793

>>172796217
Source?

>>172802128
Alight let me spread my asshole real far then

Please please please please don't EVER change ANYTHING about your games from now, Warhammer is P E R F E C T

>>172802305
Except that is neither criticizing, or supporting Warhammer, and nor is it what the people who do support Warhammer want. You can support can point out flaws

Lets be honest here, you're being purposely obtruse and have no argument, you're just shitposting.

No more replies for you.

>>172802257
>my argument will be stronger if i say things that aren't true

good job

>>172802297
iSatan

>>172802398
>You can support can point out flaws
Okay let me try again Schlomo

The worst thing about Warhammer is that they aren't selling more DLC.

Why didn't I have to pay for the second legendary lord of every faction in the base game, for example? That's like 2 legendary lord packs right there
Please sell more more things, the quality doesn't matter as long as I can buy it I will

>>172802257
>appeal to authority
>argumentum ad populum

causes me to ponder

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>>172801793
demons 2bh.

>>172802664
you forgot the part where he used his master's degree in business analyzing to travel to the future and find out how the game will sell more than all the others

>>172802591
Thank you.

Hey guys my general got a trait "Son of Summer" and now every summer I get happiness and moral bonuses

I've never seen this before, what is it? Also I'm going Oda and can build long yari in a blacksmith, should I go attack or armor considering long yari can solo every unit in the game?

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Had the 18th century war of manuevers with the Chaos doomstack vs my own doomstack. Finally caught them, after they'd been weakend a little, and had doomstack vs doomstack.

This is all that's left after wounded Khotek tried to flee (and got caught by a nordland stack), the other chaos ran up and away.

I am not sure if I am going to send Karl in for the coup de grace or just ingloriously blast him with artillery.

So watching the announcement trailer motivated to go fuck around as the Wood Elves again. Haven't done that since they were first released. But is it just me or are their diplomacy voicelines still aggressive as fuck to each other?

I mean, I remember that being a thing when the DLC first launched, and I assumed it was just a bug. But having Orion call me a traitor and shit when we are at very friendly relations and been through so much shit together really confuses me.

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What noise.

>>172802620
>implying the king and the warlord isn't great
>elves, beastcucks and warriors of chaos are in the game by default, if you aren't interested in them, don't buy the dlc
>elves and beastmen both have interesting special campaigns as well as being usable in GC

WoC campaign mechanics are shit but they play pretty decently in battles, grim and the grave wasn't worth tho

the real meme is
>paying for blood

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>>172802819

We're not Brettonians.

And there's poetic justice to have some common Nuln shlep kill Archaon...for the second time. First was Karl

>>172802813
It's a buff because you made the sun goddess happy. How you get it I have no idea

>>172802846
That might have gotten fixed.

>>172802846

Its still there

>>172802819
>confident

go get em champ

>>172802991
Really? I'm pretty sure I downloaded the latest patch, and no matter which faction I interact with or play with, they still bitch at me.

>>172802970
>>172802813

You have to win three battles with your general on the same turn during summer. Then you get the trait

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>>172802968

And one volley and it's over. Hellblaster rocketry won the prize. I forgot to check the time but I think that was no more than five seconds.

>>172803086
Then I was wrong. I just hadn't noticed it.

>>172802892
BIG

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>>172802892
>poor little white boy
>actually decked out in more expensive gear than everyone else
>bigger than everyone else
>black

Can someone post that gif of orion spearing grombrindal and throwing him away?

>>172802664
If expert opinion and mass popularity aren't reliable metrics to judge a game on, what is?

so how long until we start seeing gameplay?

2 months or so?

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>>172803153
CHRISTIAN CASUALTIES
>>172803214
They had like 4 cannons. The price was mine for the taking.

>>172803284

Tomorrow

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>>172801793

>>172803284
Well at the EGX thing the director specifically said "see you at E3." But I assume they will be sharing more information before that.

I bet they are saving the Skaven announcement for then or some shit.

Though apparently the DLC database was recently updated, so we might be getting that "Old Friend" DLC soon too.

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>>172803284
Probably the first bit very soon

>Tired of normal campaigns
>Do greenskin/bloody hand co-op with "conquer everything" turned on
>Barak Varr wipes out border princes early and takes the coast near bloody hands
>Dawi are pushing our shit in so we consolidate the south and then build for a big push
>Dawi confederate with every fucking thing and control half the world
>Any time we try and push to the silver road or barak varr 20 dawi stacks come down and murder our armies and then fuck off without touching our cities
>Improved AI build order mod so dawi armies typically consist of longbeards, ironbreakers, cannons, organ guns, gyrocopters, and plenty of great weapon quarrelers.

I feel like we're being culled but not driven to extinction... like some sort of caged animal. Is this the greenskin experience?

>>172803523
Go deep into their territory using agents and cause a rebellion

Then as their doomstacks rush to attack it, take a town

if you dont have an agent with good enough skills for that, spam him at a city, he'll be level 10 in a few turns

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>>172803310
>The price was mine for the taking

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>>172803121

The final fight after something like 6+ turns of maneuver warfare between their doomstack and mine was a lot of fun if lopsided in my favor. Four reinforcements for each of us, theirs coming from the north and North-East mine coming from my rear. It ended up giving me a hero-heavy army with Todd, Karl, light mage, nature mage, life mage, Witch hunter, and one other general.

Im disappointed the DLC for chaos doesn't give the AI the chaos units (they seem to ahve fixed that with the later DLC giving the AI DLc units even if you don't own it) as it makes them easier and more homogeneous. No Dragon ogres and shit.\


>>172803523

Most popular improved AI build order right? For units or for buildings too? I enabled that recently so it's too late for this campaign but I hope it will be for the next one. I love my Bretonnian and dwarf allies but their stacks are fucking silly.

>>172803881
It changes build order so the AI gets all the buildings it needs and then changes the weight/value of units to the AI and the ratios of what should be in their army.

Its based off a popular one but I made a lot of changes and made my own, some things about his I didn't like

dinosaurs

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>>172803881
>CA will never change CW npc invasion
>same LLs
>but all stacks consist of CHOSEN/HC and Shaghots
What's even the point of the invasion, if it can be stopped by 2 high-tier stacks of any faction without any effort?

>>172804327
Fuck wrong pic

>>172804538
You have good taste, so I'll allow it.

>>172804327

My favorite might be black hanekawa but tittymonster vampire girl is good too.

And I dunno, they kind of threaten you just in sheer volume and leadership potential. But at least before big bird comes along it's just the same stacks with Archaon and company. Would be nice if it scaled so early era it's just norscan with better shit, middle era it's proper chaos, late era it's shaggoths and lots of chosen.

This time I did encounter one or two stacks with a lot of chosen and knights.

>>172804538
That's pretty good as far as mistakes go

>>172804327
>>172804869
Teenage version of vamp is best girl in my opinion.

As for the topic though, I've never seen any shaggoths in the Chaos waves oddly enough. I saw some of the regular dragon ogres in Kholek's army, but never the huge ones. Also the I never see the Free DLC units they added in the stacks either. No Aspiring Champions and the like.

I assume CA just overlooked that, as they have done with a worrying number of things in this game.

>Trekking towards Karak 8 Peaks
>Wurrzag out of nowhere
>His whole army has magical attacks, meaning my ghost pals have to be sent out of the army to keep them safe
;_;

>>172804538
"Wrong" implies you did something bad.

>>172805482
Mind you, an army with 100% magical attacks is strictly worse against a Dwarfish army than it would be if it had no magical attacks at all, due to the built-in 25% magic resistance Dwarfs get.

Does anyone have any information on how the overall grand campaign map will look like when it's done? I know they're going to slim it down some but by how much? What areas will they be emphasizing? Are we going to get Ogre Kingdoms, Chaos Dwarfs, and Tomb Kings?

>>172804869
>catfags
BY SIGMAR, NO!

But chaos stack do seem to recruit Chosen and even Shaghots if you wipe their army, but give them time to re-recruit and catch a breath. Never seen a doomstack to get flc units like >>172805371 said.

>>172805767
They are adding that desert in the next expansion so you might just get your other skeletons

>>172805371

I see a rare odd aspiring champion, so it's possible it's just an issue of poor AI recruiting. I'll see in my next game. Never sawy any dragon ogres though.

>>172805804

I should say that Hanekawa Tsubasa is ahead of black hanekawa, but

>Implying Sigmar would overlook a vampire girl

Just ears and a tail (or well, no tail for her) and it's no different from those Middenheim fursuiters.

>>172805767
They're probably going to be removing/merging some of the smaller factions such as the Ork tribes in the badlands.

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>All this pleb taste in /twg/

>>172805927
I guess there's no other way but it's still real lame that they will size down the map in the combined games thing

This is not what I was thinking of when you said the expansion will expand the grand campaign map

>>172805958
says the weeb

>>172805767
The only thing we know about the Grand campaign (that has both new and old worlds) is that they're going to remove some minor factions, like empire rebels. I just assume that every faction now controls an entire province at the start, and some real small factions (like some ork tribes) are removed. Map itself is gonna be the same, just expanded. That's all we know thus far.

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It's time for a new campaign. I haven't played all the way through Shogun 2 for a while now and the last complete Oda campaign I played was in 2013, when I'd just gotten into TW and didn't know, for example, that yari wall existed, to give you an idea of how I played.

I'll be going on Hard/Normal for difficulty because holy goddamn fucking shit the stat buffs the AI gets are absurd in Shogun 2.

>>172806042
Have they genuinely confirmed that the provinces will be the same size, just with fewer factions?

I saw the comment about removing factions, but nothing else.

I'm thinking about downloading an overhaul mod for warhammer.
Is radious worth a try?
What about steel faith?

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>>172806120
just pick a color bro

they explain yari wall in the tutorial come on my man

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>Wrath of Sparta campaign is a snorefest of hammer (spear) - hammer - scissors (calvary)
>siege has no arty because era accurate
>hoplites fight hoplites till exhaustion and yet both sides barely lose half of their men
Never again

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>>172806120
There isn't much to say about the first turn as the Oda, so have this rebel breadcrumb trail that Nobuhide left for someone to find.

>>172805921
He'd overlook the miracle of the universe.
>>172805958
>dwarves enter the debate

>>172806205
radious is shit
steel faith is pretty alright but has problems of its own like a really wonky auto resolve and AI shitting out more armies makes it a bit harder for horde factions

>>172805958
Lost children should go back to the hell they belong in and stay there.

>>172806028
I was kind of expecting it honestly. I just don't see how they could otherwise to keep turn times from getting to ridiculous levels. But then again we still don't know quite how they are handling it, so I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now.

The fact that it isn't available on launch likely means they still haven't worked out the details themselves yet.

>>172806205
>radious
>dismounted demygriph knigths (lances and barding)

SFO is pretty shit too, because it turns the campaign into a grind-out.

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>>172806249
I was very drunk for most of 2013

>>172806302
Cheeky Tokugawa fucking shits incoming.

>>172805675
Explain further

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>>172806678
>all units have magical attacks
>dwarves resist magical attacks to an extent
>explain further

>>172806126
They did in Q&A irc

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>>172803324

>>172806678
Magic attacks don't bypass armor, only physical resistance. Dwarfs have 0% physical resistance and 25% magic resist, so magic attacks do less.

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>>172807068
>Magic attacks don't bypass armor, only physical resistance.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I always thought it bypassed armor

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>>172806509
An auspicious start to the battle as Tokugawa Hirotada employs his famed 'nuts to my spear' style.

>>172796658
>The Americas in M2
Oh lawdy, gotta love Florida being on the same latitude as Britain. Wish I still had my screenshot

>>172807304
>The (((Tokugawa))) are literally managing to be more brave and honorable than the Oda

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>>172807304
A nice little rug my troops made.

>>172807369
isn't Rome on the same latitude as New York in real life or some shit like that

>>172807565
i looked it up and it's Madrid

>>172802819
Whats that halberdier unit?

>>172807670
replying to myself again, now that im looking at a map madrid is higher up than i anticipated and this seems much less impressive

>>172807492
Dude the Oda mastered "massive peasant firing lines" they're basically as far away from honorable as possible, and that's ignoring all the Buddhist temples Nobunaga burned down.

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>>172807565
Looks pretty close.

I just got a kick out of seeing all of Florida covered in snow since I live there

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>millions are dead

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>>172807508
The defeat of the Tokugawa combined with the Saito's 'volunteers only' recruitment policy lets me triple the size of my domain in a single turn.

Unfortunately this means I will have to contend with the Imagawa sooner rather than later. They might call in the Takeda and Hojo. The Hattori and Ikko Ikki are also highly expansionist and will almost certainly form large roadblocks to my west.

>>172807918
The Ikko had it coming

Is CA publicly traded? If so I might buy some shares when they dip in anticipation of WH2 release.

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>>172807987
How can others even compete?

>>172808143
they are owend by sega ya dip

>>172807987
where's that from?

>>172807987
>Karl Franz could've singlehandedly cleansed the UK

>>172808326
Oh yeah.

>>172808592
too bad he didn't

>>172808086
the map of shogun 2 looks the best in the entire series
I wish they could go back to these sort of shaders and colours
Later and previous games are either too dark and dreary (rome, atilla, warhammer) or too smeared in bloom (med 2, rome 1)

>>172807918
And the perfidious Tokugawa mastered the "piggyback off of others achievements" strategy, which is even less honorable.

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AHAHAHA MAYBE I'LL GIVE IT A MISS LADS

>>172808321

What canon reasons make Karl such a badass?

>>172808823
Ubermensch blood

>>172807961
>>172807565
Rome: 41.9028° N, 12.4964° E
New York: 40.7128° N, 74.0059° W
Not too far off.

>>172808823
holding ghal maraz and being ready

>>172808321
he's so handsome
no homo

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>>172808086
The Imagawa are looking for a scrap. Time to Okehazama these faggots.

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One day.

One day.

>>172809469
we'll never get Katarina and her badass bear cavalry, never ever

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>>172809179
The Imagawa, clearly having learned from their vassals, attempted the legendary 'frontal charge and hope for the best' technique.

>>172807736

From a mod, they're some altdorf honor guard.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=696178990

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Altdorf_Company_of_Honour


>>172807961

It's always kind of a surprise to see and realize that shit as a burger. The gulf jet stream and all does a big part in warming up the higher European latitudes but when I realize DC is on the latitude of fucking Andalusia, Tunisia, Sicily, Syria and Iraq the abject horrible humidity and heat begins to make sense.


>>172808746

The map was beautiful but Shogun 2's campaign map was to me the worst in terms of gameplay.

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>>172809739
Unfortunately the Imagawa siege delayed repair of the castle, leading to a rebellion. This mop-up operation will delay my blitzkrieg of the Imagawa lands and that juicy school.

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SFO mod really makes AI stacks much more interesting
Particularly Greenskin stacks, fighting multiple spiders and giants can be really cool
This was a nice Empire force, compared to Vanilla at least -- I don't think I've ever seen the Empire AI field Demigryphs in Vanilla
I've fielded very similar armies playing as Empire

However I think mixing SFO Welves with Valuable Veterans (Half Strength) might have accidentally created a some kind of OP ubersoldners
My monster units did incredible work, and since I had them clumped up, healing spells had a lot of legs
My poor Eternal Guard had to absorb a lot of charges, as evidenced by the unit that was wiped out
That wiped out Eternal Guard unit had previously distinguished itself in my Badlands campaign, managing to hold off two of Wurrzag's finest Arachnaroks for a good while before the bows were in position to kill them. I'll miss those boys.

Big respect to Boris, who managed to get netted down and refused to let that stop him, instead jumping into the midst of my Glade Guard and killing a dozen of them before finally being held in place by the net
Zero respect to Vassily, who ran off like a scared baby really early

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Religion is very important in Warhammer.

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>>172809980
The rebels' lack of archers and the presence of multiple cavalry units means it's box time. I love Japanese boxes.

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>>172808823
Absolutely nothing.
His family have been 'elected' Emperor for four generations at least because some idiot decided to give the cult of Sigmar three electoral votes and he's just a family man who ended up in charge at the worst possible time.

I like that though. He's not immortal, he's not magic, he's not the chosen one (at least before the End Times), he's just man with a job to do. He's like Sam Vimes if he accidentally became Patrician.

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>>172799387
This is your scourge of god for tonight
say something nice about her!

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Ogre Kingdoms for Game 3

every time i play as the cunts i either expand too quickly and have corruption problems and fight rebellions every 4 turns, and get fucked by 65 different armies or i take my time expanding and cant field armies worth a shit because im poor.

any tips?

>>172810478
thiqq

>>172810467
>flat
not my scourge

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>>172810631
But she's a giant,

>>172810706
proportionally flat

Could anyone tell my why strigoi isn't mounting his terrorgheist properly for me? He's just hovering below it as it flies.

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>>172810312
With the rebels cleaned up and some (((metsuke))) keeping order in our towns, we're good to go.

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>>172810478
Bretonnian and Imperial rivalry is so petty and funny.

>>172810581
listen here broseph the truth is this you just gitti gotti get good

This may sound like a weird problem to have, but does it bother anyone that almost force in Total Warhammer is fairly small?

When the Northmen are raiding from across the sea - before the Archaon event - they're bringing these massive full stack armies, which doesn't seem fitting for what's supposed to be just raiding. When I'm fighting with a province, they're throwing their entire military around in one stack, plopping it in whatever city I seem like I'm going to attack next, instead of splitting their forces like I eventually do.

I get that Warhammer is all about huge battles, but do we have to just bash numbers at each other?

>>172810984
It's getting annoying. I enjoy big battles but I enjoy small battles too and it's almost impossible to find them late game unless you cripple yourself and attack level 1 or 2 settlements with shitty units

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>>172810863
It is done. A respectable stretch of land, betwixt sea and mountain, is ours. Truly we are the Pontus of Japan.

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>Barely played TWWH 1 because no Skaven
>Sit down for this trailer
>Chant SKAVEN and bounce up and down as I watch
>I don't care about gay pepes, give me Skavenn
>I don't care about these Elven fags, give me Skaven
>Fast-forward through most of the parts as I don't care, just want to see Skaven
>The battle scene ends and the title logo comes out
>I think there's no skaven
>In a autistic rage I REEEE and throw my computer down
>Kick my baby brother across the room
>Beat up mommy and knock her unconscious
>I find out later there was Skaven if I waited towards the end
>Sit back down and browse /tg/
>mommy is still not moving

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fucking whiners

warhammer tw is the best selling game they ever had

and will continue to be their best seller

so enjoy sucking that warhammer dick for the next 5 years you history cucks

>>172811738
Who are you talking to?

>>172811638
>underage

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>>172811336
A successful mission and the addition of a library to our domain means we can get encampments, and by extension our vaunted long yari ashigaru, up and running nice and early.

>>172812332
books are for fags
find me a single passage in art of war or five rings which says reading books is good

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>>172812612
A good, solid army for our daimyo. This will serve the Oda well as a stop-gap until we have access to heavy cavalry and pikemen.

Speaking of, katana or yari cav? Both? What tends to work best for a hammer and anvil?

>>172812612
t. Boko Haram

>>172812612
"A wise man takes council, a man wiser still seeks the council of his ancestors and studies their words and deeds in the scripture"

>>172810984
honestly the battles feel too small for me

>>172811738
Why is the last samurai a white guy?

>>172812864
gay

>>172795910
What lores of magic do

Dark Elves

High Elves

Lizardmen

Skaven

use?

>>172813173
Lore of Shadows
Lore of Light
Lore of Lizards
Stinky Lore

>>172813173
all 8

About to do the Beastcucks mini-campaign.
Any tips?

>>172813314
They made that thing solely to bloat the price of the DLC

>>172813368
I know, that's not what i'm asking though

>>172813314
its not any different from the grand campaign. Get growth/upkeep reduction, poop on small settlements, get a brayherd going, run away when you need to

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>>172812808
The Takeda, being greedy horsefuckers, were all too happy to break their alliance with the Hojo for some loose change, opening them up for an invasion and the loss of their goldmine. Once their blacksmith is secured along with a source of iron, the true power of the Oda will reveal itself.

>>172798067
I just started cracking up on that idk why oh god

>>172813173

>Dark Elves
Dark
>High Elves
High
>Lizardmen
Everything bar one (can't remember which one)
>Skaven
Can't remember.

>>172813582

Growth feels so worthless once you max a province out. I feel like there should be a food requirement added to, so you can't just demo food buildings once a province is maxed out if you dont need the casulty replenishment.

>>172804327
kaka

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Can we all at least agree this frog looks amazing

>finish bretonnia campaign
>"okay that was really fun, but i think i wanna play empire now"
>start ANOTHER bretonnia campaign

most fun i've had in a total war game since beating back darius as athens in the hegemony mod for BI

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>>172813865
The Hojo are destroyed and Pontus Orientalis is secure. The threat of the Takeda looms, and the Uesugi, Tsutsui and Ikko Ikki are also crawling out of the woodwork. Soon the forges of Sagami will be hard at work churning out high-quality armour for the ashigaru pikemen, and the horsemen of Mikawa will rest their yari in the Shogun's throat.

That is all for today.

>>172815793
Which Bretonnia did you play as?

I'm very lukewarm on Warhammer, everyone says Brets are great so maybe I will get to have fun with the game after all

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Anyone else never touched or learned about Warhammer before total war but now can't wait for Warhammer 2? I don't even care about history titles anymore desu

>>172816035
leon

i imagine it's basically the same for every subfaction, which is to unite bretonnia under your banner and then fight the biggest most coolest and chivalrous battle ever

>>172813914
>Skaven
Warp, Dark, and Plague.

>>172816132
I followed 40k lore for a bit and even start a very small collection, but never bothered with Fantasy. I have deep regrets about that now. Lizardmen are amazing.