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>>172403305
None because B is full of nothing but a sea of cancer

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>>172403024
I had to punch a guy because he refused to pay up some cards he bought from me.

People irl think they can get away with shit like stealing or being a dick just because LUL CARD GAMES XD

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I had enough dust to make a second Odin, but I'm still short on Bahamuts, do I just craft them later?

>>172403091

what happens on the left comic?

>>172403491
Should have broken a leg or preferably two. Try to tear his meniscus while you're at it. That really unfucks people's attitudes

http://www.strawpoll.me/12597951

http://www.strawpoll.me/12597946

The pack value calculator / collection tracker in the pastebin has been updated for ToG. Please remember to download the new sheet before the cards are released, so you can track what you open right away.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UyixeCyjXhdnFKgxTP-ILk_lMKBZ6kUoZHn9TaytYXo/edit#gid=877059207

>>172403470
I wasn't even expecting it. Had a nice ward up, 16 hp BOOM i'm dead turn 6

>>172403583
Fairy Caster and Verdant Warden say their entry lines, and then look at each other funny because they are both fairy attention grabbers.

Meanwhile, fairies go "let's go play with fairy princess."

77823
Need a concede, please.

>>172403583
Verdant steward from DE is bullying fairy caster from standard because he's a fairy caster with 1 less fairy for +2 def and ward.

>>172403638
If it's building hand and/or has feena gobu's you're about to get the dick.

>>172403712
fairy lovers should compete for their prey too

>>172403470

I checked out reynad's stream. Watched 2 games. He was B rank.

Both of them were Haven who just got steamrolled by a memedeck. It is significantly better than what's up here.

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Foodcraft when?

>>172403712
Thanks, fellow Urias.

HOW LONG TILL TEMPEST

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>>172403601
Nope, if I overdid it the store probably would have banned me.

Guy literally always had some bullshit excuse like "I don't have my wallet" or "I don't have cash only my credit card"
I just broke his nose the third time he came up with some bullshit and suddenly BAM! he had money to pay on the spot. Pretty convenient.

People turns into scum if you give them the smallest chance.

>>172403870
What was the meme deck?

>>172403876
Now. Dragon has eggs, carrots, and fish

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Improved it a bit. What do you think, shadowbros? Will we be relevant?

>>172403964
Cool, you stopped him scamming you, he's still gonna be fucking over others.

>>172403970

Dragon Ramp but he was running shit like goblin mage, sektor as his only 2-drop and Feena.

>>172403538
Are you playing Dragon? Odin shouldn't be that mandatory now that Lightning Blast is a thing, but Bahamut is irreplaceable.

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>>172403970
Rowen the master chef
>yfw bahamut is actually just a really big fish

>>172404031
>Will we be relevant?
Not with that deck, that's for sure.

>>172403491
>>172403601
Physical card games is serious business with all the thefts and broke-ins I have read about. That happens when a piece of cardboard is $50 or more.

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Looks like more tourney only icons for Japan.
https://shadowverse.jp/event/eschampionship_osaka/

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I forgot that some anon started a new thread

>>172404460
dat weakness man icon

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>>172404473
is vampy sitting on the left shoulder or on the right shoulder?

>>172404473
i cant wait to change the speech bubble text

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>>172404460
>ywn get your waifu's emblem because you couldn't join a tournament in nipland

It fucking hurts.

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Gentle lovemaking with Luna!

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>>172404460
>Israfil cardsleeves
>only for nips
Knowing that now she won't be a monthly ladder reward makes me sad...

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>>172404524
>>172404460
>locked behind a tournament finals participation requirement
Why is this allowed?

>>172404626
Why won't anyone play with you're waifu?

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>>172404460
>no balanced bald man icon for gaijin

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>>172404626
>>172404524
>>172404460
Why they don't host tournaments in America/Europe/Australia or you know, non-asian contries?

Is not like there's a lack of players, even mexican central sought america is super weebish and there's a huge shadowverse community.

>>172404460
Godammit Cygames. Step up your shit.

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>try and do a T2 before the update
>4 fucking Sword in a row
>go first for 3 of them
Why me? What have I done so bad?

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Post em, final day edition.

>>172404330
Why so? It's only weak against boardclearers and still has potential to refill the board.

>>172404587
no clue
>>172404603
here anon

>>172404685
I see areola please delete

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>>172404931
>Playing T2
>Expecting anything but swordcuckery
Until they fix the fact that sword is a tier -1 deck in T2, people will always pick it whenever it comes up since it guarantees 4-1 or 5-0s if you go up against non-sword decks (and even in sword mirrors it comes down to who goes second).

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>>172405004
whoopsy

>>172404031
You're not gonna have a board up, when you do it wont do anything, and you'll be dead.

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>>172404685
Luna likes a little roughness so she can have an excuse to cuddle afterward!

>>172404685
Stop posting pictures of my daughterwife without permission.

>>172405001
Shit early game and mediocre mid game, you need to pressure the opponent from turn 1 to have a chance in this meta.

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>>172404947
only 4.4k rupees and 4.4k vials

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>>172404626
I think Roach and Alwida's Command emblems are also available from tournaments only.
http://jiqoo.jp/news/archives/461
Roach as a participation reward, Alwida for making it to store playoffs, according to google translate.

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>>172405209
I told you already she's not yours

>>172405237
Only 3,500 gold and still 0 dragonsong flutes here. Quit yer bitchin'

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>There is literally no way to remove Aegis. It stays on the board for good.
Let me guess, they are going to introduce sacrifice mechanics next expansion.

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>>172404460
It's not fair! I want that sleeve!

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>playing weebshit
>when BASED Hearthstone exists

Uhh I don't get it??

>>172405307
You can stop posting that already.

>>172405237
Hang in there, I was in an even worse position when DE came out (400 shekels). Had to skip ranked for almost the entirety of DE, which made me miss Liza sleeves.

>>172405321
Crystal shop in 1 year

>>172405340
Cause I can play it without needed to be an embezzler or Heir?

>>172405340
Daria and her tittays: Bang & Boom > HS old men

>>172405340
Dwarf ass?

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>>172405160
patrician tastes

>>172405340
Keep 'em cucked Blizzkun.

>>172405307

Nah, the mechanic you're supposed to use is OTK.

>>172405237
4k rupees is jackshit in this expansion because there are double legendaries meaning you'll need a lot more rupees to roll the ones that you want.

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>>172404460
>You'll never see your opponent's weakness

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>>172405379
Same bro, had no coins for anything but was still able to get my liza sleeves (ty early meta aggro blood for being so cheap and op).

>>172405340
Come on man, you're not even trying with this one...

>>172405340
for what purpose would you use a follower with that fanfare

>>172405563

You don't brick yourself with 1-drops.

>>172405563
Kill all your low costs and topdeck strong stuff only

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>>172405563
Deck thinning for specific card draws.
Mtg does some similar stuff.

>>172405563
Better topdeck. without losing your curve

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Reminder to bully Sword in Arena

>>172405667
>>172405676
oh, it makes sense

>>172405563
It removes bad topdecks from your deck. Similar use to Elise, probably.

>>172405563
for top decking the card you need to win, I assume.

like say you need a bahamut but you draw a aiela.
a card like that wouldd kill the Aiela to make it more likely to draw bahamut.

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>>172405464
See, Vampy gets it! She and Luna are real good friends.

>>172405676
MTG seems like such a weird game to topdeck in. You only get to draw once per phase, yet you have to load your deck with cards that generate no value (lands) and want to play one every turn.

Granted MTG curves are probaby much lower in general but still.

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>>172405840
Hate how fast the game is and that it's getting faster

>>172405705
Are you implying Shadow isn't cancer in arena too? You're probably too new to know this, but Shadow is the original arena cancer class. Mordecuck had no counter in standard, it was the king of arena. It was objectively the best arena bomb, nothing else even came close. There were no Olivia, Bahamut, Seraph, and Odin. Nothing that can answer it, or race it. Satan was insanely slow to do anything against it.

>>172405902
It makes it a lot less luck reliant. You can't rely on lategame topdecks to save you because at least 25% of your deck is nothing.

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Welp I'm off for tonight fellow weebs.
I'll see you all tomorrow for dragons new dawning!
Sweet dreams (or nightmares for you shadow players).

>>172405676
Why would you destroy your lands?

>>172406071
Lands are really shitty topdecks once you've already hit the top of your curve.

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Luna in coitus!

>Fucking Japs already posting list
I hate this fucking shit. Stop giving brain dead retards something to netdeck. Even if it's not good, just making the lists guarantee half the fucking ladder will be full of them.

>>172405321
>>172404707
>オリジナル メタルﾂククリファイル
its a physical copy of her that you cant order online thats just about it

>>172406071
If you have enough mana on the board you don't want to draw more later, it's not like dragon oracle where they would cycle themselves

>>172405676
This seems like a funny card. You can cast it to get rid of shitty topdecks from your deck, yet it itself is a shitty topdeck.

>>172406029
>It makes it a lot less luck reliant
Listen, I love mtg but lol. Mana screw/flood absolutely adds a huge element of luck and is probably the biggest inherent design flaw in the game. There have been tournament finals completely determined by who got mana screwed each game.

>>172405974
Haven didn't exist back then to banish it?

>>172406320

You mean to tell there isn't some dank MTG card or combo that rewards perished lands?

>>172406309
Now I just want it more.

Someone make me a commander deck for tomorrow. I have to prove to the people that sales is still viable. To many saying that sword is dead.

>>172406071
There are many weird combos in Magic history. This particular example could work if comboed with a card that said: "Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a land card, deal 1 damage to any target for each card revealed this way" Since you would have no lands left in your deck, you would reveal all of them and deal damage to face accordingly. Magic is the true memeland deck realm

>>172406309
thats only exclusive to the tournament. you can still get her in the monthly reward latter >>172406450
you wish you werent a gaijin :^)

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>>172406485
Tweak it how you want it to excel.

15 minutes until maint!

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>>172406212
Inside Luna!

>Execution > Dance of Death > Call of Cocytus
>no new 5PP hard neutral removal in ToG

Color me surprised.

>>172406639
You mean 8 hours, right?

>>172406434
>Arena
>Banking on drafting banish
>Banking on drawing your banish
Also, Haven was the worst class in the game in standard and had no good tempo/aggro cards, which is a death sentence in arena. Why play a shit class that loses to everything, just on the off chance you'll counter 1 Shadowjew's Mordecai? They also had better chance of getting Mordecai than you getting the banish, because the legend/gold pool was tiny back then, so out of the 8 choices of gold/legend there was a really high chance of 1 or 2 Mordecai.

can you play pixie mischief to return an enemy follower to the hand if you have no allied follower on board?

not at home so can't test myself

>>172406786
>No new 2pp 2/2 silver rarity neutral meme girl
Shadowverse is dead.

>>172406928
What will you use it on? Your face?

>>172406935
wondering bard elta

grimnir will be the actual new silver rarity cheap girl though

>>172406935
>meme girl

>>172407027
One is not cute, and the other is a bishonen, 3 mana, and gold, so entirely irrelevant to the topic.

>>172407027
>silver

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Ideas or decklist on how to utilize new best girl in a deck that won't be complete and utter shit?

luna o macudonalds

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>>172407094
>Fun size

>>172406436
I'd be pretty disappointed if there were, honestly. If everything is a combo trigger for everything else then deckbuilding becomes railroaded.

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How many hrs till maintenanec

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Anyone else see goblin zombie's evolved art?
Probably the most unsightly art in the game.

>>172407094
control forest with fairy cage to charge such followers like schooner :^)

fairy cage allows you to get 3 fairies and enhanced suku on t5

>>172407094
>small and brave
>thumbnail

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>mfw 40k vials, 4500 gold, 5000 crystals and free packs

>>172407278
We still have skeleton and base ancient elf

What are some variants for dshift? I've been running snowman and rite of exorcism instead of fiery embrace

>>172407364
>5000 crystals
Why spend that much on a ftp game where you already have free packs and get a shitton of vials and gold?

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2017/03/29/shadowverse-talking-tempest-of-the-gods-with-cygames
>unga bunga not op

>>172407494
better prepare yourself with some Petrifications for next meta

how many leggos will 5 dollars buy me

>>172407548
Daria's a bigger problem than unga.

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Guys

OUR guy, Kripp is so hard up on money right now, that he's resorted to streaming this

We need to help him with our money!

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Let's go

>>172407548

>Focusing on Shadowcraft

Jesus Christ we're fucked. THIS was supposed to be a good expac for us?

>>172407548
>so we expect Daria decks, Dimension Shift decks and Earth Rite decks with to be in the meta.

Sad they decided to kill the game off, anyone got any suggestions for new FTP card games?
Is the pokemon online tcg any good?

>>172406928
you need a allied follower anon to activate it/use it

>>172406653
sauce me my niggas

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>>172407548
Did they not consider that the reason many people liked the deck was because it was broken as shit?

>get unga'd by a sword with a literal perfect constructed deck in take two
holy shit I just wanted to get away for a few games

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>won't be able to play Shadowverse all day tomorrow
All day maintenance is suffering

>>172407764
>60940324
Pixiv my dear anon

>>172407872
tl;dr
Daria is mai waifu
No bully

>>172407548
>we don’t feel that there’s any particularly strong class out there
Blood moon on turn 3 is not broken at all.

>>172407647
Replace axe fighter with angel of the word/DoD and zeus with bahamut and you've got yourself a mediocre neutral deck.

>>172407278
The art isn't bad, it's just unnerving.

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>japs liked daria the most that's why they didn't nerf her

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>>172407872
I'd feel significantly better if they either released said data or we had something as in depth as the data reaper report that Vicious Syndicate releases

Shadowlog is incredibly unreliable and most of the stat tracking for this game is shit

>>172407548
Are they really this fucking detached?

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>decks with Hulking Giant to be in the meta
but this card is fucking trash

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>>172406786
>Fuck your shit you nigger loving kike, 5pp, Destroy an enemy follower and restore 5 life to your leader
>REMOVE THIS!!!, 5pp, Destroy an enemy follower and restore 5 life to an allied follower
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, 5pp, Destroy an enemy follower and give a random allied follower ward
>With kikes you lose, 5pp, destroy a random enemy follower
>Shuck 'n' Jive, 5pp, Destroy an enemy follower, play a 1/1 token for each def of the destroyed creature
>TWO SCOOPS, 5pp, destroy an enemy follower, give +2/+0 to a random allied follower
>Asparagus, 5pp, destroy an enemy follower, give +0,+2 to a random allied follower
>Literally worse than anyone else draconewt memoirs, destroy an enemy follower then deal 4 dmg to all enemies and allies
>Hagtits, 5pp, destroy a random enemy follower, pay 2 life to summon an unica to your board. Enhance(6-9) for each additonal 1pp, summon another unica and give all allied Unica's ward
>Literally the only way to remain viable, 5pp, pay 4 life, destroy a random enemy follower, summon a 5pp or less amulet from your hand
>Damn, we fucked up son, 5pp, destroy all enemy followers that cannot be targetted, are resistant to targetting, or are in ambush
>Dance of the cooch splitter, 5pp, destroy an enemy follower, deal 4 damage to enemy leader
>Dead but not forgotten nor forgiven, 5pp, destroy all zirnitra in your deck. For each destroyed zirnitra, destroy 1 random enemy follower, deal 5 damage to all enemies, and heal your leader for 5 life
>Shill's delight, 5pp, destroy an enemy follower. Enhance (2 EP) summon satan to your field
>Wrath of the memer, 5pp destroy an enemy follower and summon one dragonclaw pendant to your board

>>172406928
Need something on the board iirc.

>>172406935
M-Muh elta though.

>unga gets whacked in upcoming expansion
>can't fucking play it during break time in work due to control and midrange keks everywhere
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>172407707

At this point, I'm just considering and hoping I can show up to an MTG event that gives out packs, prove myself to be a semi-competent pilot so I have someone lend me spare decks while I get a placement with prize winnings, while throwing the match to the lender should we matchup.

I don't fucking know, I made this plan up on the spot when cygames said in the article that they decided to "buff" shadow by giving it cards that face heavy competition curve-wise. Was more 3 and 7 drops really what we needed cygames? Was it really?

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>>172407872
>>172407707
Why the fuck have they decided that Rune needs to be the deck with 3 tier 1 archetypes?
Meanwhile Dragon and Blood struggle to even get one.
God knows what's going to happen to the poor Shadowcucks.

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>>172407534
Not him, but I spent $80 for the 5k crystals as a new player to jump start a collection and spend a little less time grinding

It's a generous game, but I'd still rather cut back on a significant amount of the f2p treadmill

>>172407979
If the 300 buck whale sleeves didn't tip you off that this bitch would be here forever, I dunno what would.

>>172404843
The same reason Nintendo has only recently started to hold official events for Splatoon outside Japan; they are unsure of the playerbase and don't want to throw money at getting a team to organize it and developing prizes only for it to have 5 people turn up and them to have wasted time and money for something that does the opposite of promote their game

>>172407548
>We want games to last 5 to 10 minutes
>But we also buffed control style decks this expac
???

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>>172407548
>No class is broken at all, guys XD

Welp, I guess I should quit this shitty game before it's too late. At least HS will fix everything in next expansion

>>172408121
There's many more kill from hand by t10. You're fine.

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>>172408321
you sure showed them champ, keep it up

>>172408253
Just do an online tournament, anyone from around the world can enter. Just send prizes to top 8 only. Participants gets icons + emblems + sleeves

>>172407648
I'm pretty sure Shadowcraft always has had a lot of focus, the class has very fine-tuned card design and mechanics. They just never consciously give it broken shit like they admitted to doing with Daria and are planning to do with Blood. Shadow's been more consistent in power than any other class.

>>172408321
>t-this expansion will fix Hearthstone for sure, guys!
repeat every 3 months until you run out of shekels

>>172408321
>still at 20%
really makes you think

>>172407969
Zeus has more synergy with Sahaquiel.

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>>172407548
>they were going to make deepwood anomaly better but the playtesters wanted it to remain shit

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>>172408321
>This exact picture again
Just leave go back already. I'm sooooo sure Ungoro will "fix everything".

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If anyone is bored and wants to play T2 with me just come. If you want to ban shit like sword, shadow and dragon pick the 'I sent you a friend request' message before we start drafting. Just in case if you get 3 of them rejoin the room.

61722

>>172408178
I understand spending money on the game.
Hell, I even understand paying $80 to skip all the boring grinding for decks you want to play.
But why does this dude have 5000 UNTOUCHED gems when he also has enough coins and vials to get enough legos for whatever deck he wants?

>When we initially released the game, Forestcraft and Swordcraft were the two most dominant classes in that environment, and with Darkness Evolved it was Havencraft, with Rise of Bahamut Runecraft became more popular, so with this new expansion we are focusing on other classes – Bloodcraft, Dragoncraft and Shadowcraft.
LMAO'ing at these dishonest faggots trying to make it sound like Sword has not been consistently tier 1 since standard
FUCK
OFF

im pretty sure every class is strong, just that the decks arent even at their strongest potential right now, people are just playing netdecks the whole day while i farm them just by adding simple tech cards

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>>172408391

>never consciously give it broken shit

Shadow needs broken shit, look at every successful class. Look at the fucking mileage Khawy got.

>>172408321
That's not necessarily wrong, though. There are some outliers, but no tier 0 shit, and every class has a deck that's considered to be strong in the current meta.

>>172408468
>>172408545
>playtesters
Anybody have that Dishonored pic. Because I have the same feeling here.

>What I really like about this card (desert rider) – and many of the cards in this set, actually, is that they encourage you to look at your collection with fresh eyes. You can re-evaluate all the cards with Necromancy effects, for example.

Umm gee, that deadly widow and soulhungry wraith suddenly look appealing enough to be included, right?

>>172408590
ok got it fuck off sword nigger

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The reason they aren't nerfing Daria is because the new Cblood hard-counters the deck anyway. It's the same reason PTP Elf never got nerfed.

Daria can't do shit against 4 mana revelation and Blood's disgusting amounts of healing.

Same reason Seraph and PTP weren't nerfed after DE.

>>172407548
>Yuichiro Sato: My personal favourite would have to be Demonlord Eachtar for Shadowcraft.

Zombie deck tier1 confirmed. Luna haters BTFO

>>172408657
Gonna be a lot of nerfs. Star all your TotG cards

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>>172408720
Good thing Rune has D-shit and Dirt to make sure it's always tier 1-2!

>>172408693
Wraith is mai midrange waifu

>>172408657

>playtesters didn't think to use gobu to fetch the most agressive 2-drop in the game.

Fuckin joke.

>>172408730

The goddamn retard called him a finisher in fucking removalverse and then proceed to say that shadow lacks a good finisher. We just literally need a good storm card that doesn't eat shadows to carry pupper buffs and complaint howls, because howl by itself is an amazing finisher.

>>172408693
No. You have to save shadows for eachtar.

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waifu

>>172407707
Play Krosmaga!
http://www.krosmaga.com/en

>>172408804
What does Dshift do against 20/20 snakes?

>>172408720
I'm with you man. If there is something /svg/ doesn't take into account at all, it's how a meta environment can make a strong deck unplayable. If a strong deck has only unpopular hard counters, a simple nerf is to make those hard counters popular. Blood and Dragon are considered counters to a Daria deck, and they'll be very popular.

>>172408614
It gives +2 to your board

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>because of all removals and other shit dshift is coming back

>>172408891
>>172408872
The thing is you are supposed to use Eachtar WHEN you already have a board to be a finisher. Think a superior class Wind God, with additional fanfare to fill the empty slots with Rush zombies.

>>172408872
Learn to read. They didn't say they weren't aware about OTK Roach, they didn't think that this deck would be this popular.

>We knew Daria was going to see a lot of play. That was our expectation. However, we didn’t expect so many people to have the Goblin Mage / Rhinoceroach Forestcraft decks.

>>172408583
I would but I just closed the game

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>>172407648
>One card that can banish introduced
>OMG WE'RE FUCKED GUYS SHADOW IS RUINED NOW :(((

Stop whining.

It is not Albert's fault that Storm is so necessary in this Removalverse

>>172409035
How about you learn to read?

>>172409031
Most boardclears are on turn 6, so you won't have anything on board next turn.

>>172407548
>Forest and sword still >50% winrates across the board
>Not OP

>>172409108
anon your doing it wrong its
>reading comprehension

>>172409123
But you get to have up to 2 new board flood in Zombie Party and Thane, or 4 if you count Goblin Princess and Eachtar himself.

>>172409127
everyone look at this retard

>>172408105
This. 10/13 Barong's already couldn't make it. What the flying horse fuck do they think big guy is gonna do. Not to mention melvie, daria, and arcane enlightenment can't unfuck that shit show after you neuter yourself.

>>172408614
To be fair, RoB took the class in a different direction with the Last Word stuff. Mid Shadow has consistently been a strong deck whenever it isn't a Haven-heavy meta.

>>172407548

>They were expecting Daria to be OP and dominating the meta before release

So they are the ones that allowed this to happen. And they will never nerf it.

>Minthe, who is bullied here by sahdowcraft player themselves, is actually a midrange card

Which is exactly what I predicted.

>The favourite card of the dev is Eachtar

Dev sure trying to help Shadow (and also Dragon and Blood) this expansion.

>They didn't want to give forest good cards, and was surprised that goblin mage is useful for forest
>They nerf it because of that
>Their reason is forest need more diversity
>MUH DIVERSITY
>YOU NEED MORE DIVERSITY

They are actively conducting an Elf Genocide. Fucking wake up people!

>IGN: How have the more Control-oriented Forestcraft decks been performing in your playtesting?

>Naoyuki Miyashita: It’s definitely not in the highest tier

Pack it up boys, Elven blood is on all our hands and there will never be enough water to wash them away.

>>172409035
So, daria IS pirates. So, rune is literally meta police. Dim shift makes sure that slow decks are ded, daria makes sure of that from the other side and ER is their anti aggro bandaid.

I think its time to try other games, Maybe eternal, faeria, or that french game that is shilled in a lot of threads, is decent.

>>172408105
A 6 mana 6/6 untargetable is actually great though. The only issue is that Dirt has even more overpowered 6-cost cards already.

>>172408590
>and with Darkness Evolved it was Havencraft
The dishonest little fucks. Both midrange Sword and tempo Forest had more winrate, and only very slightly less playrate. Haven was only more popular, because it was literally the cheapest competitive class, and Angelic Barrage teched in every deck for tempo Forest made aggro Blood (the other budget competitive deck) dumpster tier.

Sword and Forest have never, EVER, not been tier 1. Yes, Forest isn't tier 1 now, but it was for the vast majority of the expansion. The same way Sword wasn't tier 1 at the start of RoB, but once again, it ends an expansion with top 2 winrates, and positive match ups across the board.

>>172409209
lol ikr? Winrates mean absolutely nothing at all in terms of balance right guys? This guys an idiot for thinking that decks that are both the most popular and still have insanely high winrates are broken right?
Fuck off swordnigger

>>172409392
And ambush. For a deck with pascale.
>Rogue's creed

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>>172409282
>midshadow

I suppose Thane and Eachtar are good indications. If only they didn't throw all of them in FUCKING 7 七 SEVEN sieben PP

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>>172408905
>waifuing a boy

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>and many people said, for example, that Daria is too strong, please nerf this card, but on the other hand, we did a survey, in one of our official playguides that is published in Japan, and in the survey, the most popular card, that people voted for, was actually Daria. So while there are many people that hate the card, on the other hand, there are just as many people that like the card as well
>But when it comes to Deepwood Anomaly, when we first made the card and were testing it out, it wasn’t very strong… Since it wasn’t very strong we felt it wasn’t very useable, we thought about changing it, but when we did change it people in development were all like “why did you have to change it?” so it left a big impact on people when it was still in its very early stages, so we figured it leaves a very strong impression on people and that’s why it’s been reverted back to how it was, and now it’s here.
>It was more of a dream card, like a win the match type of card, but we changed it to something that was more useful and versatile, as a control deck finisher, but since so many people liked it so much, we prioritised that over the more versatile and useful strong card.
/svg/ told me this game was designed by pros
/svg/ lied to me

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>>172408924
one word
mutagenic bolt

or they can have some earth rites and calamitous curse just for that

>>172409407

Sword needs to be dumpster next expansion.

>>172409491
still better than turn 8 summon and do nothing

>>172409491
That's a good way to balance busted cards though. Albert wouldn't be remotely as overpowered on 6, because he would compete with Alwida (more so than him being more expensive), and one of them would have to be played off curve.

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>>172409347
If this upcoming meta is as cancerous and Runeshilling as this article makes it sound I know for sure I am taking a break.

>>172409440
>insanely high winrates
top fucking lmao
This is your first CCG, it's fucking obvious. You don't know anything about them so why do you attempt to discuss how to balance them? If you think because a deck has a higher than 50% winrate means it's broken you're beyond help

>>172407027
We got a 2 mana 2/2 silver with the text "Evolve: Summon Lord Atomy". How is she not a meme?

I am a little upset that she isn't a loli though.

>>172409546
It is. But the game's hard wired to end fast. Its literally sudden death mode after turn 6 and they encourage and enforcce that.

>>172409392
>6 mana 6/6 untargetable is actually great though
highly situational
can't be spellboosted
depends on fucking earth sigils in your hand
trash

>>172409608
Tell me why Shadow has to make do with all these 4 in 7PP when other classes are allowed to have better curve.

>Fly King
>Kawaii
>Thane
>Eachtar

>>172409546
>so many people liked it so much, we prioritised that over the more versatile and useful strong card.
I've yet to see or hear one person say they like this shitty card.
The fact that they prioritized it over "more versatile and useful strong cards" shows how fucking retarded they are.

>>172409491

I love how our other followers are 3pp.

Again.

I'm going to make a deck filled entirely with 3pp and 7pp and it's going to be real threat when I get 10pp because now I get to play 2 cards at once, and I bet only shadowcraft will be able to do this with class cards. I'm actually going to open up SV and test that right now.

>>172409546

They whiff roach lethals. It's how roaching got past them.

>Daria is OP when we tested it
>We like it so we won't nerf it

>Gobu OTK forest is what we didn't expect
>Forest need more diversity so we nerf it

Hahahaha, this won't stop until forest is being dumpstered. You guys happy with your meta now?

>>172409685
>a big guy
>highly situational
lol

>depends on earth sigils in your hand
It doesn't need to use a sigil to do any of those things though.

>>172409686
By "other classes" you mean Sword/Forest/Rune. Fuck outta here with "If I'm not at the top, it's not fair" fucking Shadowjews. Have you even seen the """curve""" for none aggro Blood decks? It's a complete joke, and they don't have a single Khawy card quality in the entire class to show for it.

>>172409749
Blame the jap playerbase more than the devs

They actually cried about roach/gobbu and like Daria

>>172409617
>Being this retarded and illiterate
k ty B1

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right now daria is a chemo against sword and d-shift

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Waiting for the next CyGames game to be bettr than this

>>172409749
Yes, very much so actually. Now they need to give Sword the same treatment, and make D.Shift easy to deal with, and the game is golden. Your class isn't consistently tier 1 with 55%+ winrate? Cry me a fucking river Elfcuck.

Guys
In this very thread
Are people who
Who
Trusted
Cygames
Can you believe it?

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>>172409796
C1 pls

>>172409805
>turn 4 wardrobe
>turn 5 erinyes my waifu
>turn 6 vania's mom
>turn 7 vana's grandma
>turn 8 whatever
>turn 9 sexy

Tell me about it.

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Will Haven be T1 in TotG shadowbabs?

>>172409820
Why are the Japanese such notorious casuals?

They just fawn over the simplist, most basic OP garbage.

>>172407093
ok, gold rarity slightly less cheap girl (both because gold > silver and 3pp > 2pp)

>And in terms of aggro tools that people haven’t picked up on, we’d rather not say at this moment. (Laughs.)

I wonder how few people really understood Spring Cleaning.

>>172409820
>They actually cried about roach/gobbu and like Daria

People here cried about it too. And the dev said in interview that they don't care what people cried on the internet because they actually made a survey.

The truth is, an elf genocide is going on right now.>>172409334

>>172409253
>10/13 Barong's already couldn't make it
???

What are you talking about? Who was making 10/13 Barongs and how many cards were they using to do it? That doesn't sound like a good comparison.

>>172409820
The interview said people hated Dorothy too. They looked at the stats instead of just listening to people crying.

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>>172409850

>>172409749
They did nerf Daria though.
The reason they nerfed Roach was because they knew it would completely dominate the meta after Daria took a hit. The only thing diversity has to do with anything was their expectations for what Forest decks would see play during RoB. Don't take shit out of context just to push your retarded opinions.

>>172409890
>Implying Erinyes or Matriarch is good.

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>>172409838
I'm not the retard who thinks >50% winrate means OP

Please get more experience before attempting to discuss balance

>>172409971
They looked at a poll that said that Daria was their favorite card. So, thy decided to ignore that its one of the most hated ones as well.

>>172409890
I love Erinyes but there's going to be even less reason to run her now that Blood doesn't need to go below 20 for any reason anymore.

>>172409937
As if Sword actually had problems with their curve.

>>172409123
That's what catacomb+soulstealer is for.

>>172409334
It's cause the 20 playtesters haven't awakened to the glory that is a Titania's treant deck

>>172409523
Why is his penis coming out of his butt?

>>172409971
>They looked at the stats instead of just listening to people crying.
No, they looked at a fucking popularity poll that told them whales would lose their shit if Daria got nerfed. That's the "stats" they are talking about.

>>172410043
Sorry my bad, C1

>>172410082
You're one of the ones who still don't get it.

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>>172409892
Haven will never be T1 again because it must pay for the sin of being the most affordable T1 for a single format.

People flipped their shit so hard over Elana/Seraph (despite being worse than Midsword and Tempo Forest) that Haven won't even get good enough cards to throw it back into the spotlight.

>>172409890
>Claims Erinyes, and Matriarch are good
>Ignores tier 1 auto include shit like Death's Breath, and Cerb that makes Queen Vamp look like an absolute joke
>Necro/Playful/Urd/Unleasher
>Cerb
>Breath
>Le balanced poo in loo
>Nep/skeleman
And unlike Blood, Shadow has wincons (Howl and Nep), not a glorified 9 fucking mana for 5 damage, or a 3 combo Albert on turn 10 that can't be tutored and the individual pieces are laughable on curve.

>>172410039
>>172410076
The guy wanted a darn non-aggro blood curve, so I gave him one. He could play enhanced Baphomet on turn 5 into serpent for all I care.

While shadow will be stuck with 7PP bricks. Oh joy.

So what are we gonna do during maintenance?

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>>172410115
no argument
i win

>>172410139
Good riddance. Banish is cancer. Haven and Dirt should never be allowed near competitive viability.

>>172410217
Install a better game.

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>>172409850
but their next game is horse idols

>>172410025
>They did nerf Daria though.

A little slap on the wrist with piercing rune is a nerf? People would just slap Levi on and get over with it.

>diversity

Again.

We already have control, aggro, combo and tempo(midrange), there is no reason to add another one. In the interview they already said that they purposefully push a shitty control forest that won't have high win rate if you really read the interview.

>>172410217
The usual things.

>>172410236
>banish is cancer

So I'm guessing you don't want Dragon to be allowed near competitive viability either then?

>>172410294
Lost Order is outsourced to Platinum

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>>172410139
>People flipped shit
Shadowjews aren't people.

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>>172410229
k, ty D1

>>172409609
If you take a break you'll never catch up without whaling.

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>>172409727

Okay I just got done counting up 3-drops and 7-drops for each class.

I was wrong in that Shadow is the only craft that can fill their entire deck up with nothing but 3-drops and 7-drops. Dragon can do that as well, and Sword barely makes the cut by including gemstaff commander. However they required 7-drops to complete the deck. Shadow did not need 7-drops to complete the deck.

In fact, I could not fit all of the 3-drops and 7-drops in without going over 50

AND THEY'RE GIVING US MORE 3 AND 7 DROPS AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO HELP

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>>172410217
Fap to Luna and Vampy, obviously. Unica and Bellringer are fine too if maint goes over the designated time.

>>172410170
>necro and urd are good
>playful in 2017
>cerb is a tempo loss unless you can lethal next turn
>6 shadow everytime for death's breath while you can play vania's mom right away
>khawy and nep are still being topic when they are not getting any support

How to spot someone who hasn't played shadowcraft.pdf

>>172410139
I still remember when people clamored for Elana's cost to be increased to 5 (FIVE).
The same assholes probably pointed out non-stop how worthless support cannon is at 5 pp too.

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We nerfed a couple of cards back in February, so in the current meta we don’t feel that there’s any particularly strong class out there.

>Wordwielder Ginger
Is her name Ginger or is she just called that because she's a ginger?

>>172409609
>>172410356
Basically, dailies will give you 120 packs an xpak, plus 10 for the release packs, plus maybe 6 for score rewards. On curve, you're gonna get 15 legos versus the 42 you need to have a full set unless you can perma arena to make 30g a ticket to buy a TotG pack every 3 5-0 tickets. Mind you, this is not counting getting more than 3 of 1 lego.

>>172410403
I'm not that guy, and play shadow, and you need to play other classes

>>172410450
Sword being the strongest class is already the normal state for them. It doesn't even register. Notice how they ignore Midrange Sword's dominance during DE.

>>172409976
>that cunny
cute

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Maintenance begins in ~7 hours! Finish your dailies by then since it could last for up to 10 hours!

>>172410319
Lightning Blast is actually completely fine because it's a midgame/lategame banish, and is chemo against shit like hard wincons. Earlygame banish is cancer because of the snowball effect an earlygame advantage has on the rest of the game.

>>172410403
>Says the mouthbreather that thinks Wardrobe, Erinyes, Queen Vamp, and Matriarch are anything, but pure medicority
You gave me a Blood """"curve""""", I gave you a Shadow curve, and you do know what's the difference between both? One of them is actually viable enough for t2, whereas the bullshit you pullout out of your eternally butthurt Shadowbab ass has never ever seen a competitive list. Fucking Erinyes and Matriarch, and then says Cerb is bad, Jesus fucking Christ.

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>>172410114
We’re not introducing any new abilities, like we did with Enhance in the last expansion, and up until now we’ve always had one legendary in each class. From Tempest of the Gods each class will have two legendaries with defining or powerful abilities

We’re always making sure the meta is healthy.

>>172409621
The cost reduction is included in the fanfare. Elta is useless to atomemer.

>GUYS, WE NEED TO MAKE MIDSHADOW GREAT AGAIN!
>printed desert rider
>printed poorfag balor
>printed doorblade worrier

:Thinking:

>>172410597
Have you ever actually read Atomeme's text?

>>172410319

t. shadowcuck

I would take a meta with Haven and Rune that is banishing my verdant warden and water fairy over a cancerous meta where you can't deal with opponent's board.

Afforable Amulet banishment when?

>>172410536
>Notice how they ignore Midrange Sword's dominance during DE.
Otohime went from best lego in the game to meme-tier, that's not what I call "ignoring midsword dominance". I'm not trying to say that Sword is a bad class, but they take the steps needed when there's a problem. Otohime was a problem.

>This fucking interview confirmed almost all new leggos except Dragon, Shadow and Blood are meme tier

I FUCKING CALLED IT!!! I just hope to pull some nice gold and silvers. This new set is just for memes and a power push for three classes.

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>>172410512

>>172410536
>Notice how they ignore Midrange Sword's dominance during DE

EVERYONE ignored it simply because it was super expensive. Whatever is the most prominent good deck is what garners all the hate. People act like getting absolutely raped every-once-in-a-while by Midsword/TempoElf was better than constantly having a difficult time with Haven.

>>172410557
How long did maintenance take for RoB?

>>172410305
Call it what you want, it's still a nerf that made the deck take a big hit in popularity.
The only thing you could call a control deck for Forest is PtP, and it makes sense that Cygames would want to give them the option of playing a different style of Control.
>a shitty control forest that won't have high win rate
They said nothing like that, they said it's not in the highest tier, or not blatantly tier one like release Daria was, and that it does better in certain metas over others, like any balanced deck would.

>>172410663
>otohime
That sure nerfed Banner sword that proceeded to slap albert in their deck.

>>172410597
>The cost reduction is included in the fanfare.
No it's not
How the fuck would that even work? Fanfare activates when you play a follower from hand, so it reduces the cost after you have already played it? How did you play it then?

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>>172410613
>printed 3 mana 6/7

>>172410403
I was on your side until you said Necro and Urd are bad.

>>172410450
I mean, it is pretty balanced right now
All crafts have 1-2 viable decks, it's not like DE where 3 crafts were almost unplayable

>>172410557
i thought it was in ~8

>>172410584
Why don't you improvise and use Alucard instead of Matirach and Feena instead of Erinyes then? That's in that winner deck in tourney, right?

>>172410676
>Good classes get bad cards to tune them down a bit
>Shit classes get good cards to bring them up to standard
This is bad, because...? Fuck outta here with your maining bullshit, and play something that isn't auto pilot eternal tier 1 Forest/Sword/Rune deck once in your life.

>>172410613

Meanwhile sword gets everything they want every single expansion.

At least the devs are actively trying to help shadows while for us there is a elf genocide going on right now.

>>172410641
Are you replying to the right post?

Because I would take that too. Only shadowfags complain about banishment.

"Affordable amulet banishment" is a shit idea though.

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>>172410613

>SHADOW IS LACKING A FINISHER
>Prints a sage commander

C-couldn't we just been allowed to run up to 6 copies of reaper? That would've helped, a lot.

>>172410236
Well cygames disagrees it gave another class a better themis that banishes followers and amulets without a cost.

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>>172410512
>>172410679
Anyone got any memeweilder ginger decklists yet?

>>172409976
Those are some nice landscapes. Stuff like this makes me want to play an MMO in one of their settings

>>172410745

Oh yea, I sure am going to enjoy seeing those stats go right down the shitter along with my mummy storm and my howl damage.

>>172408321
>Going back to Shamanstone
Admit it, nothing in Hearthstone has changed and Shaman still remains one of the strongest classes in the game along with Mage, Druid and Warlock. The only thing Un'Goro is going to do for you cucks at /hsg/ is make you cry more about Hunters ramming low cost minions up your ass while also simultaneously curving out until lategame while Shaman stills stays relevant because the actual cards that make the class good never get hit and stick around for your ebic e-Sports tournaments.

Fuck off and stay there.

>>172410814
Why are you moving the goalposts? The original argument has nothing with the garbage you're spewing. If Cerb is too much of a tempo loss for you, why don't YOU use fucking Feena? Jesus fuck, how entitled can you Shadow retards get? You want a fucking Khawy for each mana slot or something?

>>172409976
What's the gameplay like? I mean it's platinum, but at the same time it's also Cygames.

>>172410720

>Wolf is not control

> they said it's not in the highest tier

You know they always try to downplay things right? When they said "a decent winrate" it means that deck is OP as fuck, and when they said it does not has the best winrate it means those are dumpster tier.

>>172410819
Fuck outta here with your assumptions, I was simply stating that I understood this concept before this interview and /svg/. I'm just glad this was confirmed. I play every deck I'm no cuck.

>>172410760
Define viable.
Because Daria and Dim shift are viable. Batblood is viable. Albert is viable. Roach is viable.
What else, aggro shadow, seraph, forte?

And what will ToG have? Rune with 3 decks, Sword with 2-3, Forest with at least 2. Blood might get a 2nd, or not..
Others will keep their single 'viable' deck.

>>172410913
>mummy
>howl
>in midrange

>>172410983
>Forest with at least 2

The same old 2 decks. Because they refuse to print anything better than roach and soccer mom.

>>172410960
No gameplay yet, but Platinum makes another game for them, ReLink.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brTFp1NVHeE

>>172410747
In scenarios where they actually work out, yes, they are great. But no one is going to let you combo that lurching corpse or attendant if they can deal with those two.

>>172410940
>cerb doesn't need to spend 2PP for those puppets
>shut up you are not allowed to have nice stuff so everything you get is 7PP

Nice argument.

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>>172409956
I was.Drop noble fangs, work with what your hand gave you towards an amulet push or a follower push, evo, depending on when it came out, a combination of death sentence/tribunal/inquiry for a gap, valhallan, protectoress, power of protection, cloud chorus, valhallan general, jeanne, elana, and white knight/heals both on him or leader to push him out of 1-turn range. Board builds up behind the 10/13 barong, 5/9 mainyu, 10/12 shrine knight maiden, while they mulch and lethals through chip damage. Can go wide or thick depending on expected counters.

Basically half the decks in the game can instagib target immune regardless, multi-ward, slam him with random damage or turn him into a token. People that craft big guy are in for a world of hurt. Especially with it basically slashing their hand and combo power for literally nothing.

>>172411070

Well, okay no mummy sure, but what the hell is supposed to be your storm damage then?

>>172410983
Aggro Dragon and storm Dragon are viable right now. Nep and aggro Shadow are viable right now.
Wolfbolt and tempo are viable right now.
Every class other than Haven and Blood have 2 viable decks in masters right now. If your criteria for "viable" is tier 1, then you need to fuck off.

>>172411098
So they kill my corpse and then I Urd my attendant? Seems fine by me.

>>172410836
Lacking finisher for non-aggro decks, learn to read.

>>172411151
>aggro and storm
>Both depend on forte to win

>>172411098

You do realise that from the interview the devs are trying to help you right?

>We need even more than that WAAAA

Six millions were not enough.

>>172411116
Oh shit I think I played against you in norms today.
I honestly had no fucking clue what your deck was doing until turn 5 and then proceeded to realize my Haven Storm was fucking useless.

>>172411225
>hurr all Rune depends on Levi
>all Forest on roach
>all Sword on Albert
Yes, staples exist, this isn't news.

can i have help with a quest?

95310

>>172411201

Fucking 2/5/7/8 nepnep uses howl as a finisher against decks where the timetable is sped up.

>>172411257
>helping by putting all the good cards in 3PP and 7PP slot

You were not paying attention, right?

>>172410845
Wouldn't WorldWeilder Dshift work?
Freshman lou can make it so you always get Dshift on turn 2, and with the right spells, I can see a good stall deck being made that doesn't involved digging as much as current Dshift does.

fuck dshift though, I'm roping anyone who plays lou on t2

>>172410983
Homestly I see sword having a harder time. Hear me out and don't sperg out just yet. First off I dont main sword but I do play every class so I understand a lot weaknesses in every deck. One of the biggest weaknesses Sword has are strong wards, while they do have rush followers like jeno to clear those out they have never had to deal with a lot of these new amulets coming out that force interactions between followers, on top of that control got stronger across the board. Top it off with some solid board clears and suddenly sword isn't looking to dominant. Tier 2 for sure, i don't see how it can recover to tier 1 unless someone finds some sort of combo to alleviate these problems.

>>172411151
Masters means nothing. Literally nothing.

And my criteria is ' has a fair chance to win' t2 decks are supposed to be that, with t3 being specific counters to t1, except SV t1 have no counters.

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>>172410845
gamewith

https://shadowverse.gamewith.jp/article/show/53753

>>172410430
Support cannon's gonna be fine for a thinking man's deck. Ironwrought fortress helps shore up that commanders have poor statlines often as a result of officer abilities. The heavy knights can mulch tokens and evo through 3 drops while putting opponents evo in range for value. Extra pompous and vanguards will replace arthur's light for officer regeneration. 1-2 gawain whenever you managed to value a lead will help you jenga your next turn(s) together better for a stronger tempo play. Support makes cursed general less of a dead drop and assassin both enables the kill combo, lightning rods, and still synergizes with other commanders when you don't nut.

>>172411351
If masters mean nothing, then getting masters should be extremely easy then

>>172411151
>Every class other than Haven and Blood have 2 viable decks in masters right now.

dunno about haven but aggro blood is strong and midrange blood won famico

wolfbolt is t1 right now btw

>>172411148
If you really need storm in your mid deck there's always Voices.

Ghost reach isn't a good idea in a meta where Blood is top tier though.