/twg/ - Total War General

First for fuck off rat fags.

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>>172080089
post heroic victories

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Make Ulthuan great again.

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Taurox fucking when?

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birds

>>172080089
trash edition OP, use some creativity next time

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IF OUR LORD IS T'BECOME KING >tfw no Damsel gf. Why even live?

wait fuck what the hell

gelt is so much fun

you just fuck shit up with him

>>172080731

He is great at taking out priority targets with plague of rust. His final spells are really good too. But you have to rely on overcast plague of rust until you get some army +campaign skills.

>>172080731
GOLD MAGIC

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>>172078674

Been awhile since I did bronze age reading and research but you had swords of various length (also Khopesh), axes like the duckbill axe, maces, a curious mace-axe looking thing the Egyptians used that was also wielded two handed like a falx or a daneaxe, spears, slings, javelins, bows from simple bows to composite (and I think there were recurve bows that weren't composite in addition to recurve bows), "Throwsticks" (boomerang but it doesn't come back). No crossbow, don't think there was anything like greek fire. There may have been the scorpions in a jar in New Kingdom Egypt. There was linen armor, leather armor, scale or pseudo lamellar and the greek bronze cuirasses.

Early to mid Mycenaean swords are common called "rapiers" for how long and narrow they were, but the late era and Sea People period had a rise of shorter squatter cut and thrust swords. If you want to get a sense of Mycenaean and Aegean stuff: http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/

>>172080571
make the thread yourself next time if the edition is so important to your enjoyment of the thread

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"My bro, Marius, is dead. He's gone! But he's right there on my back, and here in my heart! He lives on as a part of me! If you're gonna fight, fight to the heavens. No matter what's in my way, I won't stop! Once I've fought through - it means that I've won! ... Just who the hell do you think I am? I'm Karl. I'm not my Bro! I'M ME!! Karl Franz, Prince and Emperor!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vYbu9XMXvE

What did CA mean by this?

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>KILL DA STUNTIEZ

where are the people of color in warhammer fantasy?

i-i-i-if I kill the everchosen the hordes will stop, r-r-r-r-right?

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>>172080089

>Wood Elves long campaign victory turn 103
Borken as fuck.

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>>172081702
No, only if you kill every horde they would stop. Just stand your ground, defender of mankind.

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>>172081308
>DANCE DA STUNTIE

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Rejoice! For a knight of Bretonnia provides your shield.

Why do people hate the chaos campaign?

Shits been fun as fuck so far for me.

Been smacking peoples shit in with Kholek and have Dragon Ogre building at turn 23.

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>>172081698

>>172082326
the orcs are from the badlands and the darklands?

GW is going to get a visit from the NAACP

>>172078674
>Even with CA style inaccuracy, would there be any unit diversity? Wouldn't it just be a shitton of spears with or without shields with slightly different stats?

It'd be about the same diversity as Rome 2 really, less swords, more axes and spears maybe. Less cavalry too.

>>172082287
>horde infighting
>unit replenishment is slow as fuck
>campaign turns into a grindfest of sieges
>nothing to manage outside of your 2-3 doomstacks
>essentially no diplomacy
>just a slog in general
>unit variety turns to shit once you unlock CHOSEN and Shaggoths

>>172082381
You'd think they'd change the name to NAAPOC (National Association for the Advancement of People of Color) or the NAAAA (National Association for the Advancement of African Americans).

Colored people is such an offensive term.

>Mousillon fucking never

which bretonnian lad should I play then

inb4 fey enchantress

>>172081698

In their respective countries celebrating their respective cultures of course.

>>172081970
I slaughtered all the chaos warriors before the everchosen came, but now he's here, plus I get that recurring event about more hordes coming every so often.

So I suppose that if I btfo all the hordes within a few turns of eachother, and march into Norsca to slaughter those viking fucks, then I'll be able to finally bring peace to the old world as manlet von carstein who is on the river reik because I had to war Middenland so I need to fucking make an army there to garrison my shit to send him and my best units to fight the foul hordes of chaos

>>172082502
So another Medium Swords 2: Medium Spears Are Also Okay?

No thanks. Warhammer has spoiled me and while I know historical games can never be as diverse as a fictional setting, I'd rather not go back to the Rome 2 standard. Medieval 2 style faction diversity is the way to go for historical titles even if it means some time periods get excluded.

what kind of panties do you think the lady of the lake uses

>>172083271
As long as Chaos itself is gone, Norsca will eventually be willing to call for peace.
Chaos doesnt do the best job of replenishing and recruiting new armies so you can take them out at your leisure as long as they're not marching together in one big doomstack

>>172082809
It's either a melee monster, magical girl, or a literal who that spends all his time in a city making money. I prefer magical girls because I'm a degenerate, but you can go for the melee monster if you prefer. All three are pretty fun though the literal who is the most boring game personality-wise.

>>172082565
>mod
>mod
>mod
>problem
>same for all factions
>na
>na

Pleb

*coughs*

*scratches nose*

China would be a good setting for the next total war.

>>172083556
>if you can get a mod to fix something then it isn't a problem

:thinking:

>>172083642
Are you the same fag who spends all day claiming Aztecs/Mayans are Mexican culture?

Because I think you are. And I think you're a raging faggot too.

>>172083642
China is basically the only setting left for a new Total War

>Bretonnian peasants shout "God help us" when routing

What the fuck? Did CA just reuse sound assets from one of the other TWs without even checking if it made sense?

>>172083717
Yes, it literally isnt a problem if a mod fixes it

You total fucking twat.

>>172083764
You realize the peasants dont all praise the lady right? Some praise smegma.

lord of the rings total war when

>>172083642
It really wouldn't. You have thousands of years with little to no variation on tactics or weapons.

Biggest things that happened
>Chariots got invented
>Absolutely wrecked zerg tactics
>Chinese finally realized how to use a spear, chariots died
>Crossbows got invented
>Proceed to dominate all range warfare until late period guns
>Explosives discovered
>They used some for grenades, and some really shitty artillery that was actually just fireworks to scare people
>West had to show them how to actually blow people up

The only setting that is actually good for TW is Renaissance. Or one of the periods already done before.

>>172084052
never

>>172083915
>broken arms aren't a problem because they can be fixed

>>172083297
You are a man of taste, and I agree.

Also bring Jeff back. More fun music. We're playing a videogame. I don't give a damn if https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGwxRY5xdbM&user=1xCloudStrifex1 is playing and it doesn't fit the setting.

>>172083297

I thought Rome 2 did a better job than Attila. Inevitably some settings sacrifice roster diversity for playstyle diversity or culture/aesthetics diversity. Coincidentally it's why I think a Renaissance game can work, or pike and shot. You just start earlier around 1453 or 1492 and you get pikes, sword and board, halberds, bills, longbows, muskets of various type, bardiches, ect.

>>172084175
You know arguing by analogy just proves you have no real argument at all. You have to use something similar but not actually related to pretend you have a point because in your mind this made up situation is now fixed.

If the problem is horde infighting, then download the mod that removes horde infighting. It is no longer a fucking problem them is it.

>>172083556
wouldn't modding all that shit out just make the Chaos Campaign an utter faceroll?

Or are you referring to SFO or some shit that takes all that shit out but re-balances the whole campaign?

>>172083915
>>172084316

>ask why people dislike chaos campaign
>other anon points out its flaws
>you mention that you mod the flaws out

there you go, you just answered your own question. People don't like the chaos campaign because it has flawed mechanics that drag the quality of the campaign down if they aren't removed by modifying the game

>>172083915

They don't shout "Sigmar help us", or even "godS help us" though. They say "God help us" and noone in Warhammer simply calls their deity of choice "God".

>200 range germanic archers

why did the germanic tribes fear the huns when their foot archers outranged hunnic horse archers?

>>172084368
Oh boy some now revisionist history for something that happened 5 minutes ago too!

He had some valid complaints, and I never denied the fact that Chaos is a weak campaign. But bitching about shit you can fix in literally 1 minute is absolutely fucking idiotic.

Dont cry about something like horde infighting, replenishment rates or siege times when you can toggle it off.

>>172083297

Sadly I think I'm on the same trireme.

My thought is that CA is going to go the General/Lord based narrative route to make historical more compelling.

Are outriders just super easy to kill? It feels like if I look away from my outriders for a few seconds half the unit gets killed.

>>172084506
I dont think you actually know anything about the lore at all.

There is a lot of religious freedom in Bretonnia, minus worshiping Chaos. And if you read the books you would know they refer to 'god' all the time.

So guys, any info on how Arena is going to be? Is it just battle maps?
Man I so wish one day we have a full mmorts with Total War

>>172084690
If they get engaged they're fucked. So if you don't keep an eye on them to micro they can be taken out easily.

>>172084527
>campaign has to be modified to be enjoyable
>(you) can't understand why people don't enjoy it

>>172084856
Have your last (you), im sorry you got this upset I called you out on your bullshit but at least next time you'll think before you post.

they should make a legendary/mythology style game, so we get gods and legends.

Romanticized heroes of different nations as generals etc

>>172084316

>I like something that I know is widely unpopular, but its only turn 23 and I'm bored what do?
>let me go where it's unpopular and ask people why they don't like it and when they answer I'll call them pleb literal faggot retards haha so ebin! :^)

>>172084234
Thanks, and yeah, a good OST is always welcome. Though I digged Atilla's music. It matched the tone of the game really well.

>>172084271
I use to hate the idea of a pike and shot Total War, but I'm starting to like the idea more. I hated it because I thought it would just be mass heavy infantry lines, ineffectual cav, and minimal opportunity for large maneuvers. Though with player micro, I hope CA could still permit highly effective cav and light infantry even if pike/musket formations and artillery are still the focus of the game.

>>172084571
I do hope they keep the focus on leaders in future Total War games. Though I also wish they keep the army traditions system too. They both add awesome game personalization that I enjoy immensely.

>>172084837
>any info on how Arena is going to be?
Shit. They put P2W back in and nothing has changed since the first time we played it. Its still rubbish because its too many players with too few units basically just bum-rushing each other to finish quickly to grind points.

>>172084912
>if you don't want your campaign to be bad just make it easy instead

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>>172082007
TIME TA EAT, BOYZ

>>172084959
>playing Fall of the Samurai with the pastebin's recommended mod
>sword fags are fucking unbreakable in morale and just chop through everything

epic just epic

rate me based on my faction opinions

>Empire
Alright

>Greenskins
Good

>Dwarves
Excellent

>Bretonnia
Eurgh

>VC
Boring as shit

>Chaos
Bad

Don't have beastmen or welves

Do you guys think a WW 1 total war will work? You know, trench warfare and shit

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>>172083462
The problem is as vampies is that I lose men chasing after chaos due to the attrition. I've found that one of the best ways to beat them is to just lure them in and then bum-rush them with about 3 armies with 1 in reserve to cuck them on their retreat.

Which is what I tried to do in pic related but you'll see that I'm getting cucked by fucking lightning strike by Dickeater with his insane levels.

I think though with that high ground and my loadsaspears and archers I should be able to hold off them and win, or at least decimate them enough so that they will be wiped out by those stacks that can't reinforce.

My lack of flying units was a MISTAKE so those hellcanons will fuck me up unless I can cuck them with my cavalry.

I'm using Radious unit mod as well if anyone is wondering.

>>172085270

No

>>172085270
No.

>>172085270
Could it work? Yes

Would it be good? Hell fucking no. Boring as shit setting.

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>>172085262
>>Empire
>Alright

Out with you.

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>>172085270
no

>>172085329
>I'm using Radious unit mod as well if anyone is wondering.

>>172085270
It would require a mechanics rework of what makes Total War, Total War. Empire worked because everyone still marched in line formation for the most part. WW1 was when people stopped doing that. So unit control would alien to anything Total War has done.

>>172083461
Probably something really frilly and lacy I'd say, and of course in white

>>172085031

Ive fallen for the Pike meme too

Floppy uniforms/hats, pikes and halberds, early gunpowder/bows, swords, lots of cav variery and a ton of interesting and relatively under utilized wars

How the fuck do I see the campaign victory conditions once I'm in the campaign?

>>172084714

Are you legitimately retarded? I know that Bretonnian peasants can worship whatever the fuck they like.
I also know that Sigmar, Ulric etc. are gods and referred to as such. But when a Sigmar-worshipper calls out to him, they still call him "Sigmar" and not fucking "God".

>>172085650
Go read some Warhammer books before you post about something you know nothing about, thanks.

>>172085597
what game?

>>172085691

Cite me a passage from a book of your choice then which supports your argument. Should be easy for you after all, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMEnBHef96c

This is gonna be fun

>>172085904
I'm not done watching it, but the way everyone dies quietly is hilarious. One guys sounds like he is feigning disgust (ugh!) when an artillery shell explodes right behind him.

>>172085893
Sure thing
>Emperor's Armies
>"Fear not the coming enemy for He is with us, God protects each and every one of us from his coming tide. Praise the Emperor, Praise Sigma, Praise the Empire!"

>>172085893
>>172086205
Lol, BTFO

>>172086116
Another thing is this is late Renaissance, 1635 to 59. Earlier on will have less pike and guns and more cav and heavy armored guys.

CA did say one thing about the new game in that it had some interesting kill animations, I really hope that means they are going to try to recreate these more 'fluid' battles like that video shows with guys running and fighting through lines.

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>>172085893
>>172086205

>>172085904
>Both sides have camps
>They send out their first assaults at each other, but also keep troops in reserve
THIS needs to be in the historical titles from now on. Battles should be often Camp v Camp, or Armies v Camps just as often as it is Army v Army. Attila sort of did this, but there was often no reason to camp then fight.

There was a lot of actual dialogue in warfare between sides, before and after fights. Would make for some interesting diplomacy rather than
>Mash your army on his face
>Sell/Take on/Kill survivors

>>172085893
>>172086205
btfo

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what a fucking mess

tried retreating so grimgor would attack me in a more favorable position but still hurp durp army still reinforces from two different sides :P

he just bumrushed my reinforcing army and it was a fucking slaughterhouse until the other army could run ALL THE WAY to the edge of the map

fucking dumb

>>172086496
>with guys running and fighting through lines
Another thing that turned me over to the pike and shot Total War idea is that unit diversity would be pretty easy with how pike vs pike combat went. In Warhammer we have several units that are just the same unit with different equipment. In past titles usually units like that had a clear best choice and that was it, but Warhammer actually gives value to choosing between spears, spears w/ shields, swords w/ shields, etc. because they all have similar stats for being the same guys just carrying different weapons.

Would be sick if they took that idea to a historical title. Instead of neat upgrades to the pike units you get different equipment with similar stats, but for different roles. For example: a pure pike unit, a pike unit with muskets for range, but worse melee, and a pike unit with swords for better anti-infantry, but worse anti-large and vulnerability to guns. A system like that to simulate the different way pike squares were formed throughout the years would keep it historical and prevent the game from falling into the trap of Rome 2 and Atilla of there being clearly superior choices for a given role.

>>172086205

Even if that is in there (a picture would be a lot more convincing than a line of text including "Praise Sigma" and no page reference), it's still retarded that out of all the units in the game, it's the Bretonnian peasants shouting this.

Anyone else feel like Orcs don't play right because they're just as orderly as all the other factions?

This was the same reason I avoided them on TT. All that lore and they still line up in just as neat squares as everyone else.

>>172087340
I suspect CA is aware, or at least I hope so, that they really have to step up their historical titles to match TWW so we get some of these more diverse features.

Otherwise everyone will just stick with TWW.

>>172087340
I think a Pike and Shot Total War would benefit by including the eastern armies like Russia, Cossacks, Poland, and Ottomemes were Pike and Shot sort of reached there, but took on a different form of warfare with a greater focus on cavalry both ranged and melee. Pike and Shot era cavarly was pretty diverse ranging from heavy gendarmes in full plate and lances to reiters with pistols firing right before impact and switch to swords or mounted crossbowmen.

>>172087336
what kind of campaign are you playing where you're stuck on tier 1 whilst Grimgor has 4 fucking giants?

>>172087982
the hard campaign

>>172087765
>I suspect CA is aware
I hope so too. Warhammer was such a pleasant surprise. It's honestly in the top three best Total War games, if not the best, in terms of gameplay and mechanics. Obviously if you have a preferred game setting that's first, but Warhammer has the gameplay down solid even if you disregard things like magic.

>>172087832
>Pike and Shot era cavarly was pretty diverse
Sounds sick, I love cavalry heavy armies (though strangely Welfs are my favorite Warhammer faction). I think it's fair to say I'm sold on a Pike and Shot Total War.

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this faggot has been sitting here for like 5 turns, and I can't attack without putting my shit in jeopardy

>>172085262
You're rating campaign or multiplayer?

Do you guys think they'll ever make gelt and other lord wizards good?

>>172088687
Yes
Depends on what they do for loremasters and slann, but just giving them strong support abilities like the fay enchantress is enough to make them useable

>>172088154
but dwarves are the easiest campaign?

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>>172088687
Just wait for Morathi, Teclis and Mazamundi or Kroak

>>172088853
this is the first campaign I've been doing past like turn 20

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*tanks your battleline*

>Cleansing the Gobbos from mountains
>Reclaiming Wisseland from vamps
>Averland after to set up trade connections

This is a good day for the empire

>>172088762
That seems to be the route they are going with as they gave Gelt +10 Armor to all of his armies in campaign. They should also add that ability to him though so he can use it in multiplayer. Doubt it would let him compete with KFC, but it would make him a decent pick vs some factions at least/

>>172089113
*drops to below 1/4 hp but still has 2-3 models in the unit*

>>172089113
>that's a nice line of infantry you have there protecting your ranged troops
>it'd be a shame if someone just walked right through it

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My dad works at CA and I just got an exclusive look at the new Pike and Shot game they're working on. Please don't share with Redd it or let them know.

>>172089239
He would be a lot better if they just made staff of volens an earlier quest. By the time it's available chaos has usually already been destroyed and I'm about to end my current campaign.

>>172089383
*rallies behind your lines*

>>172083915
>Fey Enchantress heals up some dirty peasant
>"they casted their spells on us"
>"burn the witch"
wtf

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>>172089618
>flat plains
Goddamn it CA.

>>172089687
That's a good idea too, but he could use a buff in multiplayer as well. At the moment he is only better than Kemmler because Empire doesn't have half a dozen of wizard LLs for him to compete with.

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>he still worships Ulric

>>172083915
>Yes, it literally isnt a problem if a mod fixes it
Yeah it is, because it shows that some 16yo with a bunch of spare time is better at game design than CA who are asking 60$ + 100$ for the game and don't bother to fix it because they are too busy shoving more DLC down your throat instead of fixing problems that have plagued the game since release

kys my man
kys

>>172089239
The way I see it, they can do it in one of a few ways:
They keep the magic system the same as it is and just give loremasters, slann and character casters strong abilities that aren't really related to spellcasting but are helpful anyway

They implement the wizard level system from the tabletop, which would help differentiate stronger spellcasters from others, but could be potentially hard to do correctly

They go and tweak the spells for each mage/lord so that they're stronger for that particular character, like how Helman Ghorst can summon graveguard rather than zombies/skeletons

When did they increase WoC AI to be more aggressive? Started playing again a bit before bretonnia came out. I've done a VC, bret, empire, and currently on a beastmen playthrough and every time I've seen arch take big bird with him into 6-8 stacks of spear and crossbow men led by KFC sitting on the kislev border. Now he usually manages to take out most of the empire stacks but will usually get wiped out on the following empire turn. Then we've got kholek and the warherd going to pick on dwarves and getting stomped while sigvald causes chaos near marienburg. Before I took a break they would all relatively stay near each other and actually use encampment to heal/re recruit.
So tl:Dr wtf happened to chaos in the grand campaign?

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>>172090024
bitch please, Sigmar himself worships Ulric

>>172088687
mannfred is good

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>>172090024
>He hasn't given himself over to the ruinous powers yet

>>172090449
>They keep the magic system the same as it is and just give loremasters, slann and character casters strong abilities that aren't really related to spellcasting but are helpful anyway
This seems the most likely to me unless they really do plan to do a complete magic rework in one of the sequels. It isn't even that bad of an idea either if they can come up with interesting abilities for each LL. Honestly, all wizard LLs should have a ability to rapidly access winds of magic reserves to distinguish them from standard wizards and melee focused magic users like Manny. They way they don't have to mess with how magic works too much since it's the same spells, but you can (over)cast them a lot more. Also, wizard LL could always have zero miscast chance, etc. There is a lot of ways CA could tweak the current system if they don't plan on a rework anytime soon.

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>>172089113
>>172089383
>>172089758

>yfw the tomb kangz come and double the chariot fun

>>172091197

If we're lucky they'll be buildable out of a T1 building, since they are a core choice on the Tabletop

>>172090631
I mean like kemmler, gelt or the chaos ones.

Gelt got that global +10 armor which is really nice but he could still use some additional buffs in campaign to make him better.

As of right now it's better to start with gelt but then just switch to a generic lord to get his global buff and still have a strong melee lord.

>>172089113
Are the chaos chariots the best chariots in the game?

>>172091803

They were the best in the tabletop so they ought to be

>>172091803
the only other contenders imo are heroes/lords mounted on razorgor chariots or the mortis engine

I wish grimgor had some kind of defense against mounted faggots and big units

the black orc is one of those people who should be able to kill pretty much anyone in melee combat. He sure does have the stats but he can't make good use of them.

>>172092157
The problem with Black Orcs is they're supposed to be armed with 3 weapon load-outs they can swap between at any time.

-Choppa's and Shields for defensive, grindy battles
-Dual Choppa's for smashing large numbers of weak infantry
-Great Weapons for large/tough units

>>172091687

Gelt requires overcast plague of rust to be good.

>>172087340
Have you ever played Shogun 2 with the TRoM3 mod?

It puts a stronger focus on ashigaru units (IMO it actually makes Teppo units a bit too fucking strong), and late in the tech tree has a unit that is a big block of long yari pikemen with embedded matchlock dudes. It's pretty fun.

>avar horde cost 200/turn more than hunnic horse archers
>have less missile damage

WHY

>>172092956
>avar horde

They are fast reloading and firing archers that can double as melee cav.

>>172093269
except hunnic horse archers are better horse archers, and hunnic devil cav are better hybrid units than them, and both of those units are cheaper and cause fear

>>172092956

They sound cooler

So I'm not saying the province system is bad. But with all of infinite time ahead of us, it certainly can't be the end all of building management.

How do we make it better? I didn't think so at first but now I like it way more than being able to build every building in every city.
More unique buildings to the province? How does that even fit into historical total war?
I think it might lend itself very well to Medieval 3 with knight chapter houses, alchemy labs, and coastal cities.

>>172087372
>uh duhh where's your evidence
>Right here
>pfft where's the page number? give me a picture lmao
really?

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>>172085262
>Bretonnia
>Eurgh
what did he mean by this?

>have show ai moves off
>have fast campaign movement on
>have to sit and wait every turn while ai agents do their animation for their actions, even if they are off screen

this is ridiculous, is there a mod to fix this shit?

>>172092412
One last Orc DLC with Black Orc Big Boss and Black Orc variant squads fucking when.

>>172094095

It was much worse in M2 and Shogun 2 to the point where it felt spooky

>>172094027
Boooo.
What are these reddit tier faces on Crooked Moon and Angrund.
Von Carstien doesn't need the eyebrows.

Less is more.

>>172094174
They shouldn't even be variants, the strength of Black Orcs is that they're supposed to be able to tackle any threat. They just need a weapon swapping ability

So whats the meta like for MP? Who is considered good and bad by "the people who know"

I pretty much cycle every army but VC and have success with all of them.

>>172095231
Different unit formations like Bretonnian knights would work, I suppose. Click the button and the Black Orcs switch to anti-infantry/anti-large/all-purpose.

>>172095231
I dunno how they would handle a unit with three different weapon loadouts that can be switched to on-command that aren't as simple as long range/melee loadout. It could be buffs, but it wouldn't make much sense for them to put them away when the buff runs out. I don't see them investing the time into making it work properly, but just making them three variant unit types like Chosen seems like how they would more likely handle it, and honestly I'm fine with that as long as they make it in at all.

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Anyone know what language these markings are in/what they say?

>>172095197
>reddit tier faces
are you serious
christ

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>>172095859
The one on the upper right is MesoNorsic and it says the horse is strongest in the howling of winter.

Is there anything more annoying than Vampires in battle?
>All their units fly
>More than half of their units go flanking around

>>172085904
Wot's that they're saying in the end?

>>172095921
No I'm not, faggot. There are way more faces than when that meme was good.

>Also, I have been putting a ton of time and effort into a big video this week, its going to end up being my longest and most detailed Warhammer video thus far I think. So apologies for not getting it up this morning like I had planned, but its just taking me longer than I expected. It should definitely be up in the next 24 hours or so. Any guesses on what it might be?

What is indypride up to lads?

>>172080293
How can you have a heroic victory if you're playing as the villains?

So when you drop an enemy's melee attack to 0 should they deal 0 damage for a while or can they still every now and then because fuck me?

Are Dragon ogres shit?

I rushed them in my Kholek campaign for flavour and my doggos consistently get double the kills they do.

They're pretty tanky, yeah, but they don't seem to do much damage at all - am I just using them wrong?

>>172097413
I believe there is a minimum it can drop to

>>172097413
They seem to be able to land a hit every once in a while, so I don't know if they just can't hit zero or if even at zero they can "crit" and land a nearly impossible blow.

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>>172097649
pic related is the doggo unit.

I'm wondering now if Razor standard is just OP on units that have low flat damage to begin with

>>172097874
afaik thats not the kind of army that dragon ogres are made for, I'm pretty sure they are meant to be ap anti-large - their low unit count would limit how effective they are against empire armies like in that pic

>>172097874
that empire army is just terrible man

>>172094174
If there's another lord pack for O&G it really should have both Black Orc and Savage Orc bosses.

>>172098186
Yeah I figured they'd be more all-purpose though, like demigryphs. They kick the shit out of Reiksguard, but a halberd unit fucks their shit up if they're tired.

What kind of unit should I have gone for instead for anti-infantry?

>>172097874
Dragon Ogres shine on large targets, which is why they have anti-large. They can peel a steam tank like a steamed shrimp, but against really huge hoards they can get worn down since they don't have a ton of armor. They'll still get a lot of kills because they're a big tough monster, it just isn't their specialty.

>>172098425
c h o s e n

>>172098310
it's only turn 38, the AI takes fucking ages to tech up in vanilla.

I don't even have the chaos warrior building yet, those are just the dudes I started with.

>>172080575
Those Empire gits don't know what's good for'em!

>>172090278
>CA should spend time and money "fixing" something that modders can do for free
>That "Fix" is really just your subjective view on how something should work
You are what game designers would call an 'idiot'

>Bretonnian troops break
>GOD HELP US

Grinds my gears, every fucking time.

>>172098425
If you want a monster, chaos spawn or giant. If you just generally want to mulch huge forces of infantry, go up your own infantry line. Even regular chaos warriors will beat anything but the most elite infantry 3-1, and Chosen make that 5-1.

>>172082381
The Southlands are a closer interpretation to Africa, and they're mostly full of Lizardmen. Greenskins as well, but all in all it hasn't been well fluffed out.

>>172098518
>>172098921
but I have both chosen and chaos warriors and that's not even true.

They all consistently get less kills then my doggos and dragon ogres - even just regular swordsmen can keep them in place for fucking ages.

They're great for holding a line but not collapsing the enemies.

>>172083642
I actually think so - set it during China's modern period, around the fall of the Ming dynasty and the rise of the Qing. You get some fun infighting, contact with Mongol, Jurchen and Turkish tribal cultures, Korea, and a little Japan, and eventually Europeans start coming along. It's a great way to make a foray into the modern era, since for so long China was so backwards - you could still make use of medieval tactics, sort of like how in the Americas expansion for Medieval 2, you could actually fight the Europeans as Mayans or Aztecs and conceivably win.

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>>172097413
There are no absolutes in TW. You cant 100% or 0% anything.

Which is fair enough, Suneater was literally able to reach 101% physical immunity before.

>>172097874
>those graphics
UNACCEPTABLY UGLY

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For fuck

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>>172098920
>Mexicans stealing Aztec culture
>People thinking 'God' isnt used in this setting
>People wanting a China game
>Wood Elves are still huge faggots
Truly this is the end times of /twg/

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How is this common?

>>172099794

DWARF'd

>>172099905
Thats a shit weapon desu

Come back when its Fear+Terror

Or 15 Melee attack +10% weapon strength

>>172083642
I CAN SEE THE EXPANSIONS NOW!
>Romance of the Three Kingdoms
>Imjin War
>Boxer Rebellion
>Opium Wars
>Mongol Rape Train

Prolly couldn't make a Yellow Turban Rebellion expansion because that might be controversial.

The primary setting would probably be focused on the Qing conquest of Ming.
Let based Jazby educate you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-QOBGR69Sw

>>172100005
>Qing conquest of Ming
Ring a ding ding

No one cares.

>>172083642
I want Empire 2, only focused in the post-Congress of Vienna 19th century. Focusing wars on colonial conflicts and some great European clashes every now and then

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Marcoman troops man the walls of Ravenna, knowing that the fate of their people depends on the defense of this city from Attila's huns

>>172080571
>editions
Hi /ksg/.

>>172097406
It's a Heroic Victory (Hunnic)

>>172099878
It's a polytheistic setting; some people may hold one god specifically above the others, but everyone would acknowledge that there are other gods. The only monotheistic people in the setting that I know of is in Araby.

If the peasants were going 'the Lady help us,' or even 'goddess help us,' that would make sense - in the latter case, you'd know they'd be calling on the Lady, since they consider her their primary deity. But saying just 'god' is confusing - even the Lady-loving Bretonnians acknowledge the other Old World deities like Shallya, Manaan, and Taal.

>>172100686
>hes still going at it
You got absolutely BTFO out before, get the fuck over it autismo.

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>>172100561
a marcoman army, originally intended to sail for a different destination, had sailed to Ravenna in order to assist in the defense - with the city port full of ships waiting to flee should the battle go wrong, the marcoman army is forced to make an amphibious landing just outside the walls of the city, where the combined infantry forces of Optar and Attila were waiting. The Marcoman force consisted of heavily armored and experienced spearmen, but the hunnic infantry were armed with axes and khandas, allowing them to eventually best the marcomans outside the wall after a bloody engagement

>>172099223
>>172098921

>Not using forsaken

>>172100756
Different guy but I've never seen anyone in Warhammer refer to a 'God' like that. And I've been playing the damn game for twenty years.
You're also acting like a twat but that's a totally different issue.

>>172101129
See >>172100756

>>172099905
it's shit.

The real question is how the fuck is that sword that can immobilise in huge AOE is common.

I used that to win some impossible battles on my Franz campaign - was fucking insane with a Pegasus.

>>172100756
I am a different guy, actually - I posted that when I got on the thread for nothing better to post, not realizing someone had already complained earlier.

But my point still stands - in a polytheistic setting, no one refers to just 'god' like that, unless they have a specific god to refer to - for Ulric worshipers, you know if they ever say 'strength of our god,' it means Ulric. But even then, they acknowledge that there are other gods.

If you went back to ancient Greece, no one would be going 'god help me,' they would be calling on whatever specific god they held most prominent or thought most likely to reply to whatever they needed help about.

>>172097413
Minimum chance to hit is 10% I think.

>>172094027
how do i play tww with a controller

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>>172100981
armored troops, from the remnants of bosphoran kingdoms long ago absorbed into the hunnic horde, are the first troops into the city

Guys, I was just checking to see if /twg/ would devolve into asperger general at the mere mention of China.

You passed.

Besides, Genghis would be the clear choice, anyway.

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G O B L I N S

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R8

>>172101823
Dead time of day to be trying to stir shit.

>>172102126
I want to hug a gobbo.

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>elven units will fire arrows during melee
>even if they don't have any arrows left

I wonder if this actually changes the damage or the dynamic or if it's just a replaced melee animation for flair

>>172102342
oh gee I too wonder whichever it could be

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>>172102427

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Goblin Dabbing

>>172102249
They want to STAB you

Hellblaster volley guns are good, yeah?
I just made an army with 2 mortars, 2 great cannons, 2 hellstorm rockets, and 2 hellblaster volley guns and so far the hero's have been the rockets and mortars.
Great cannon's aren't bad, but I had them firing at large troops as one anon suggested and I don't think it's worth it to take a great cannon just to whittle down those vampire troll, ogre, whatever they were, things down to 9 from 12.

>>172086205
>Emperor's Armies
>Total War: The Emperor's Armies
>This book collects together the novels Sword of Vengeance and Sword of Justice, plus the short stories Feast of Horrors and Duty and Honour. Written by Chris Wraight.
>Sword of Vengeance, ctrl-f "praise the" - 0 results
>Sword of Justice, ctrl-f "praise the" - 0 results
>Feast of Horrors, ctrl-f "praise the" - 0 results
>Duty and Honour, ctrl-f "praise the" - 0 results

Hmmm.
A little more context would be helpful. Because I can't find shit.

>>172103416
Great Cannons are underwhelming yeah, but still your best option against big things at long range.
Hellblaster is insane with a pretty gimped range.
Fight chosen or stunties with them.
Absolutely superb.

>>172103031
What's the use of Yeomen over Yeoman Archers? They're not really good for charging things down compared to knights, and Yeoman Archers get missiles, even if their melee is only kinda useful at best.

>>172103362
But why? I'd feed em and give em shinies.

>>172102342
Use your brain a little

>>172103612
It's a militia-grade harass unit.
Pick off a few, run back to the treeline, shock whatever followed with your heavier units.

>>172103612
I think it is a generic image probably pulled from some singleplayer engagement and repeated ad nauseam as a stale meme rather than advocating a specific unit over another.

To actually answer the question you asked for some strange reason: Because they are substantially cheaper and substantially better protected.

>>172103696
You just aren't the right shade of green mate

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>>172099710

>>172103469
To go full-autist, here's every sentence I can find in that book containing the word 'god':
>‘Can’t you give me something? I... oh, gods below...’
>When the gods had finished creating the world they had left many such places behind them
>‘It’s difficult, my goddess,’
>‘What is this, my goddess?’
>Now he was being asked to ride again, to take up arms and show his devotion to Sigmar in the way the warrior-god had always intended.
>had always seen the danger in letting the Emperor’s pet priests monopolise the worship of the warrior-god in Altdorf
>taken from Ulric while the god of war slept.
>Every man had his fate mapped by the gods
>Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first give a triumph.
Plus a couple of references to Dark Gods.

So fuck knows where that quote came from.

>>172103920
I just feel like I'd be willing to spend the extra money on knights, or spend a little bit more and get a surprisingly good unit of missile cavalry.

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SO?

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>>172104240
Those quote don't seem to support that guy's argument in any way - most either refer to gods generally, or to a specific deity (a god of warriors or a god of war, 'my goddess' instead of someone else's goddess) instead of implying that there's only one God.

I think CA just fucked up. They seem to like Bretonnia well enough, but they got a GOD WILLS IT vibe from Bretonnia instead of looking closer, and may have made a mistake with voice lines because they assumed Bretonnia was monotheistic.

>>172104635
Even good missile cavalry doesn't do as much damage as quickly as charging with light cav will do.
So it's more useful for less.
Comparing it to other knights generally isn't a simple comparison because you're primarily paying for vanguard deployment.

>>172099710
I think this game looks really good at low graphics for some reason.
I'm getting a Super Mario RPG vibe from >>172097874

>>172104818
It may as well be monotheistic.
Nothing lost by pushing that angle harder.
99% of the population are too retarded to properly understand one god, let alone more.
And the 1% acknowledge other gods chiefly as "Not The Lady".
Lady provides them with fighting buffs and they're too stupid to bother with any other God because any blessing they could give the realm seems pointless because they're content with an endless cycle of inbred serfs who will never do anything.

Requesting tactical advice to low level Welf armies
Got a nice selection of Eternal Guard with Shields and Glade Guards with fancy arrows, but don't really know how best to synergise their elfbilities
Should I just go Dorf tactics and have a central mass of archers with spear boxes arrayed out to catch the front and flank melee attackers?

>>172100991
Flanksaken are great but they always take heavy casualties

>>172105284
Yes.
Do make sure you have at least ONE tree unit(or wild riders I think also have) for fear.

>>172105284

Glade Guard with fancy arrows is optional, you can also go early into Glade Riders and start playing Hun Elves.

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I've been hearing that the Wood Elves campaign is kind of lackluster. Is Argwylon much better?

Also why isn't Ariel a LL yet?

>>172105973

Wood Elves have a tough start, Angrund and Carcassonne are tough nuts to crack for starting Wood Elf units. Carcassone will eventually take peace after a bit (and rushing the Bretonnian Diplomacy tech).

The real first move is to take the Southern Grey Mountains, Skarsnik will put the pressure on Karak Norn, you can easily sweep in and take both out, secure the whole mountain chain and move from there.

>>172097874
>high speed
>huge mass
>anti-large bonus

It's almost like they're supposed to be chasing down and killing enemy cavalry and monsters or something.

>>172105080
Part of what I feel makes Bretonnia distinct from the not!Medieval France it pretty much is includes that it is a polytheistic kingdom, and that they don't do the traditional page to squire to knight that the real world did, instead having peasant squires, with noble sons becoming knights as soon as they were old enough to hold a lance.

That aside, it really does depend on interpretation. Some people/lore consider Bretonnia almost monothestic, at best vaguely acknowledging other deities exist but focusing almost solely on the Lady except in areas that border the Empire; other lore makes it seem like the Lady is only worshiped by the nobility, with the peasantry worshiping more traditional deities. I prefer a mix of the two, especially since there's obviously the connection between Bordelaux and Manaan, la Masiontaal is obviously a church for Taal (and in older lore, there were priests of Taal there), and Courrone is actually the center of Shallya's cult, with Men-at-Arms being required to make a donation to her temple when they join up. The Lady is the dominant deity, but it's like Sigmar's relation to the Empire.

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>>172080089
Continuing from last thread on my first Hard play through going from easy.

It's turn 58 and I've taken the whole of Great Britain, only losing 2 legions and around 2/5 of battles because of how damn tough this is.

I'm going to gear up and take back Italy with and invasion force, wish me luck.

>>172105284
I finished the long campaign today with Orion, one Spellweaver of Life, six Wildriders with shields, eight Wardancers, and four more with Asrai Spears.

It was my first time playing with the faction so I'm no expert but I found the melee game was more effective than the ranged. I haven't tried their high-tier units yet but I can't recommend Wardancers with Asrai Spears enough.

About to start a Parthia Imperator Augustus campaign in DeI
What am I in for

>>172106945

WE infantry, melee or ranged, are absolutely nuts with all of the red tree bonuses for them.

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Turn 78, normal campaign.
R8 my technologies. What to skip, what to get.

>>172082326
>that human settlement squeezed in between the badlands and the tomb kangz

>>172107372
get the growth/port income bonuses to maximize your growth/income from marienburg/altdorf. I don't remember the others of the top of my head

>>172100686
I think the peasants get taxed on wirship, so maybe they can afford just the one god.

>>172107372
Second two livery techs are great. But I'm somebody who hates using Demigryphs so they matter quite a bit more to me.

Second Foundry tech is okay if you're starving out a ton of sieges, third tech is good.

Second Blacksmith is superb.

Second Harbor is decent, Third is damn nice, though only if you go North instead of East.

First Barracks is very nice.

Third menagerie is a solid boost.

First Armory is amazing, second is ok, third is good if you're spamming steam tanks but they're amazing to begin with so it's pretty superfluous.

Third temple is okay.
Anything I haven't mentioned is pretty trash or you already have.

You haven't made any bad choices.

Oh and I'm not sure how fast you've expanded and how much you need to boost your provinces but the growth in harbor can be okay.

>>172107429
It's kangz.

And Badlands in general used to be a very prosperous human realm under the most competent governing vampires the world had seen.
They got GORKED and SUCKED though.

>>172082381
And finns should stab GW for making them a literal "Troll country"

>>172108135
It's pretty much an improvement over reality.

Also there is one of the main Skaven settlements there.
The one famous for torture and genetic experiments.
Good old Hell Pit.

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Stop playing fantasy

>>172108393
Worst /twg/ meme by far.

>>172107429
Being a human settlement under the protection of Kangz is a pretty sweet deal though.

>>172108502

The only meme is warhammer

>>172108502
no, that would be the maze or the feet/tay enchantress posting

>>172082326
Who the fuck is Gnashrak and why is his lair important?

>>172108031
Thanks for the tips.
I like to expand fast. Growth makes growth. Civ has that drilled in my head.
Might not pick up Divine Sanction though, or whichever the 2 was a flat +2 public order boost. Did that because I panicked about chaos since I haven't been this far yet. Now everything is under control. I tried to ignore the money ones since if you're just clever and frugal with your spending you can have bonuses you can't buy instead.

Went for reload times since I like my ranged combat.

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>2770 Ab Urbe Condita
>Still no Ancient Empires

>Six thousand undead
>Vs Karl Franz and a garrison with a wild wizard
>Units tired from a forced march

NOPE. Can hold the undead horse, kinda. The hound micro is annoying but can deal with it. Can never actually anvil them though, because units gets hung up on the thousands of skeleteons and my artillery is useless and more useless. Hellstorm does some decent damage, but nothing amazing 50 kills per turret. My great cannon though? Can't even punch a hole in Kemmlers bitch ass, and even on the side of a fucking mountain its getting obstructed somehow.

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It's a bold move, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.

>>172108840
You just gotta hope his flimsy ass necromancers try to duel your hero.

>>172108785

Growth one is actually shit. Your areas are gonna grow no matter what, money is what holds them back. For areas that actually need growth bonuses, you send a warrior priest to give more growth than a fucking farm.

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Does monstrous infantry count as large or as infantry for attack bonuses? Infantry is in the name, but a lot of them are taller than a man on a horse which is a large unit.

>>172108921

Pretty sure this is the end to my Karl Franz. Its just so many skeleteons with no ability to hammer. I dont even have neighboring armies that can assist, they are currently being recruited. My Gelt and Boris were off in Akendorf seizing it from the Von Carsteins when the vamps declared war, with Gelt having to go help Border Princes and the Dwarves fight off the fucking Crooked Moon who only have one settlement but five full size armies.

I've got two armies currently recruiting as fast as edicts and tech allow them.

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>>172108785
>>172108928
Yeah generally growth is nice but that tech is a really low growth amount.
And you don't really need to grow provinces that don't have gold or some shit. And those you just spam farms until you're happy and then build over them.

Difficulty changes a bit. On VH less lads trade you making that tech worse, and the port income one better.

>>172108710
these are the only things I filter.

>>172109145
Infantry is man sized(up to and including bestigors). Anything else is large.
Monstrous infantry is thus large, yeah.

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Stop worshiping Sigmar.

I could have sworn there was a replace lord button.
I need an asshole in Altdorf to make me money, not out and about fighting vampires.
+20% gold is nothing to sneeze at.

>>172109858
Open the lord's skill window and it'll be there in bottom right, the one with a picture of a boot.

Just tried new vampires
>Five squads of bats
Fucking what

>>172082326
Which tribe is Grimgor?

>>172109745

A

>tfw every handgunner unit manages to get 200 kills
FOR THE WARHAMMER

>>172110276
He's a black orc, he doesn't belong to any tribe.

>>172110276
I don't think Grimgor has a tribe, per se. He and his band came from the Darklands, and if I remember right, were the first batch of Black Orcs the Chaos Dawi made. Grimgor was too brutal and too kunnin' to be controlled, and so he tore a path of ruin down to Black Crag (or thereabouts).

>>172109745
Is there symbol literally a fucking latticed window?

>>172110691
Looks like a door to me.

>>172110691
Looks more like an iron-banded door to me. That triangle in the center with the ring in it might be a door handle.

>>172110540
How fucking OLD is Grimgor?!

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>there are still rednecks who worship Ulric

>>172110486
>>172110540
Whats the deal wuth his belt buckle then?

>>172110691
Hark!
That's how I see it.
I wish a real nation did that. Maximum aesthetic.

>>172110797
Orcs grow their whole lives and don't die from old age.

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>these guys are able to launch rocks from a ship-mounted onager over that fucking hill and hit my horse archers

>>172111151
I know that, but i didnt think he'd be THAT old. Thats like a thousand years

>>172110971

Standard Greenskin fashion™

Some of the other warbosses in-game have a similar belt

>>172111156
Now you know why it's bad to be an artillery unit when captured by the enemy.

>>172111448
Damn.
Lord dress up when!

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>>172080089
>New World Expansion Soon
>https://comingsoon.totalwar.com/

>>172111743
That is one interested lizard.

What causes that awful fucking "- obedience in all provinces" trait to appear?

>>172111949
Your bad leadership

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>>172106647
>this whole scenario

>>172111267
Yeah about that, he murdered his way into the chaos wastes at one point and kept krumpin' gitz there until he got bored of fighting them. He's pretty damn old.

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>>172111743
Soon

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>>172112127

>until he got bored

Nice try Grimgor, we all know you got your shit slapped by Archaon's lieutenant.

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so, what did the pope say to Attila ?

>>172112250
If I were Archaen I wouldnt talk about Grimgor and who got whos ass kicked

>>172112526

Archaon killed Grimgor.

>inb4 muh retconned sucker punch

>>172112518
"Whoever tries to conquer Western Europe.. is Gay."

>>172112518
Probably something like
>Nah bro the empire isn't worth conquering anymore. the goths took all the tight boipussy lmao

>>172112662
>AAAAAAH SWORD DEMON HELP ME I'M GETTING MY SHIT PUSHED IN

>>172112662
When did that supposedly happen?

>>172112518
>Ay dontchu member what happend to Alaric???

>>172112876
During the End Times. The fight played out exactly like the storm of Chaos one, except after getting his third eye smashed by Grimgor's headbutt Archaon got desperate and unleashed the demon living in his sword to behead Grimgor.

>>172113062
>End Times
Nevermind then.

>>172112250
That wasn't in the chaos wastes mate. Not saying it didn't happen pretty sure Krom is in the top 3 best fighters (without magical wotsits) in the setting.

>>172113098
If anything it's much more canon than Storm of Chaos.

>>172112161

Not soon enough. I need to murder Warmbloods. As Empire I have a moral problem warring with Dwarfs or Bretonnians, as Elves I have a hard time justifying war on Humans when chaos looms on the Horizon.

As Lizards? Fuck everybody, the world will know peace when the Warmbloods are all dead and buried.

>>172114228
Its fanfiction, anon.

>>172114551
As was Storm of Chaos.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
KARAK EIGHT PEAKS

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FIVE (5) DAYS

How do I git gud at Morghur?

>>172093869
>text some dude posted on 4chan
>evidence

I bet you believe in the "GDC leak" too.

>>172115530
abuse spawn + morghur's ridiculous tankiness

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>Over-Gyrating Shaman!

FUCK
OFF

Best way to make money as Bretonnia?
Should I just surge the ports in Bordeleux and Marienburg?

Gentlemen

How do we unfuck chaos' shit?

>>172116693
More chariots

>>172116693

Diversify the faction under the 4 chaos gods?

>>172116865
This,

There should only be horde infighting attrition from war bands under different gods, with special events, quests or abilities that can get everyone working together.

There should be dedicated cult troop choices for each god and unique playstyles for each kind of cult army.

What do you guys wish from the new expansion?

I really want
>naval battles
>naval-land combination battles like in rome 2

I really loved the latter in rome 2 and when I heard of total warhammer my first image was gyro copters attacking ships on the sea while artillery from the land bombards them. Was really bummed when I found out that there was no ship warfare in 1.

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what did he mean by this?

>>172114228

I consider Storm of Chaos a comedy spinoff.

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needs a filename

or a greentext

or something

>>172094027
what are half of these faces supposed to portray

did you make this shit yourself because it doesn't make any sense outside of the few faces that are used in other images

>>172117525

>crazy crazy conga

>>172117630
how new are you

So when the time warp spell increases my speed by 24%, does that make them attack faster or just run faster?

Also there's something they should add to the expansion, items that increase a spell's ability. Or putting points into it makes it better instead of just a 50% cooldown.

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To defeat the raiders... you must become the greatest raiders, the mongols

>>172117194
I really want
>Not naval battles

>>172117878
seems like a lot of micro

>>172117878
Genghois du Kahn

>>172117942
Why micro anything when you can just turn skirmishing on

Who cares if some get caught and rout, you can replenish and recruit more easily

>>172118079
that's not fun

>>172117525

>one_cross_each_line_on_the_left

>>172117194
>>172117874
Ways to power up spells.

Weather affects battle. We can even have magic weather. Fuck it. Let lightning strike and hit your guys.
Naval combat would be neat, but that would take resources away from what makes it great already. They still can make battles better. Let them focus on that. We can have their new naval engine/mechanics in the new historic TW.

Unit formations, etc.

>>172118201
>Employ magic weather against the orcs
>Lightning strikes Grimgor for being such a tall, metal fucker
>feels nothing because his armor acts as a Faraday's cage
>every orc in his army gets a waagh buff for the remainder because their warboss is the god of thunder
fucking wizard shits

>>172117194
More interesting sieges
Romances and sex scenes
More battle map variety
Huntsmarshal
More gobbo buffs
Army Painter
Squalor
Hordes that can settle
Sigmarines
Bigger Squigs

>>172117194
Magic at the campaign level

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Wot da zog

>>172117194
One, Karl Franz needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine
Two, whenever Karl's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Karl"?